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Speaker 1: Ryan Grimm is in the house. It's great to see you, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely got. He's got his pain into fingers. That's the

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure I'll be there in a few years.

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Speaker 4: There you'll come back from vacation. Yeah, come back to.

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Speaker 3: Vacation with your fingernails all pointed. Kids, hands are all

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Speaker 3: gonna be exciting. All right, what do we got today?

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Speaker 3: Toughest part of the job. We're gonna talk talk about

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Speaker 3: disaster funding, aren't we.

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Speaker 1: This is an interesting story.

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Speaker 3: I found myself actually at the center of it doing

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Speaker 3: some reporting. So initial reports from the Trump administration they

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Speaker 3: would withhold disaster relief funds from any state that allowed

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Speaker 3: the boycott of Israel, not just Israel, but Israeli companies.

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Speaker 3: There's been some changes to that official language, however, the

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Speaker 3: policy itself is still reserved the right of the Trump

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Speaker 3: That's a troubling trend of a boycott basically using states

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Speaker 3: their own tax dollars. That's obviously a good segue into

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Speaker 3: our Israel segment. I'm going to rely on Ryan heavily there.

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Speaker 3: There are some reports coming out of Israel Netagna, who

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about India, the Trump administration escalating

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Speaker 3: a trade war on India, not by the way, anything

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Speaker 3: But it's about Ukraine interesting, which obviously is an easy

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Speaker 3: We're also going to talk about jerrymandering. Jerrymandering sweeping the country.

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Speaker 3: Ryan is actually an expert on jerrymandering, or at least

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Speaker 1: So wasted a lot of time.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, there's a lot of time

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Speaker 3: And then my friend Andrew Schultz breaking with Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: You know, the federal government doesn't have a lot of roles.

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Speaker 3: You know, broadly one of those is fous not going

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Speaker 3: helps us out whenever that happens. Well, the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: how absolutely crazy it is. It says that by accepting

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Speaker 1: Three seventy two B four.

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Speaker 3: Quote definitions as used in this COSTDI means diversity, equity inclusion.

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Speaker 3: DEI A means diversity, equity, inclusion and excess ability. Discriminatory equity.

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Speaker 3: Ideology has a meaning set forth and they talk about

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Speaker 3: But then Subpart D says here, quote discriminatory, discriminatory, prohibited

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Speaker 3: boycott means refusing to deal, cutting commercial relations or otherwise

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Speaker 3: So let's underscore that is that the Trump administration was

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Speaker 3: Now this was ryan, I think just too much for

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Speaker 1: Let's put that up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Shortly after many of us drew you know, basically had

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Speaker 3: Even though they did remove this anti discriminatory language about

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Speaker 3: The DHS put out this statement quote there is no

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Speaker 3: No states have lost funding, no new conditions have been imposed.

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Speaker 3: FEMA grants remain governed by existing law and policy and

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Speaker 3: DHS will enforce all anti discrimination laws and policies, including

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Speaker 3: as it relates to the BDS movement, which is expressly

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Speaker 3: but the DHS statement makes it clear they reserve the

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Speaker 1: And I mean, Ryan, I did get a last one

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Speaker 6: Yeah, those who engage in racial discrimination should not receive

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Speaker 4: That sounds like Biden, I mean.

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Speaker 3: In actual racial discrimination. Sure, if it's about BDS. No,

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Speaker 3: And obviously that's why the languages matter. And that's why Ryan,

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Speaker 3: I just think this is such.

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Speaker 3: But my point, just broadly is that we should, of course,

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Speaker 4: Even know, not Lithuania. Yes, a strong ally, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's right. As Lit's the slot. Get made very clear

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Speaker 4: Well, well you can boycott Russia.

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Speaker 1: You can boycott Russia. You can pour their vodka right

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Speaker 6: If you want to make your neighbors in the suburbs angry,

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Speaker 6: So, is the question then that you actually have to

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Speaker 3: This is something that red states have now have been

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Speaker 3: to him, openly flouting Texas law. It says here quote

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Speaker 3: Israel is a stalwart ally of the United States and

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Speaker 1: Are we seeing how these things are getting conflated?

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Speaker 1: That remains the law. Here.

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Speaker 3: In the letter, Governor Abbott noted San Marcos is required

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Speaker 3: the way, I've been to San Marcos, great city, You know,

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Speaker 1: And the Governor of Texas is withholding.

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Speaker 3: Funds based upon the City of San Martos's position on

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the city voted it down so as not

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Speaker 6: All the resolutions said, by the way, it was there

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 4: They were not.

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Speaker 6: They have no capacity to claw that money back like that.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like that's it, Like that they weren't actually going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are they going to do? Is the city

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Speaker 3: It's a population I just lived at ninety four thousand people,

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Speaker 3: the teacher's retirement system to quote enact a complete divestment

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Speaker 3: The New York Governor then comes out and says exclusively

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Speaker 3: just to show you how big of a problem this

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Speaker 3: This is from the Institute for Pure and Applied Mathematics

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Speaker 3: at UCLA. Pay seven please, and Ryan's going to explain

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Speaker 6: Say, it's some incredible stuff that has actual that has

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Speaker 6: kind of guy that is working with others to lift

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Speaker 6: people up. What he's what he announced here is that

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Speaker 6: he's now lost. He's now lost all of his funding

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Speaker 6: through the NSF and NIH.

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Speaker 1: There's because he's a UCLA professor.

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Speaker 6: He'll still have his you know, UCLA salary, so it's

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Speaker 6: not like he personally is being fired as a result

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Speaker 6: of this. But what it means is that all of

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Speaker 6: his grad students are now unfunded.

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Speaker 4: And if you think about.

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Speaker 6: Who his grad students are, these are the up and

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Speaker 6: coming best mathematicians in the world. Because if you're a

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Speaker 6: math prodigy anywhere in the world, you want to work

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Speaker 6: with Taren Staffleich. This is this is the guy, because

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Speaker 6: not only is he a genius ten times over, but

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Speaker 6: he's he's collaborative, and he's and he loves working with people.

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Speaker 6: What he's what he wrote in his post here is

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Speaker 6: that he had already had a bunch of his grants

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Speaker 6: cut earlier when Doge was coming through, and so what

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Speaker 6: he did is he took all of his own funding

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Speaker 6: and deferred it. So he's like, I don't need any

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Speaker 6: money for myself. I want all the money that was

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Speaker 6: coming to me to go to my grad students so

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Speaker 6: that they can stay on for a little while longer.

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Speaker 6: And now they've come back and they've cut that too.

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Speaker 1: And why, oh, Israel, and what's the justification?

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Speaker 6: They don't look, they don't Trump doesn't like the way

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Speaker 6: that UCLA handled pro tests.

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Speaker 3: But if you remember, I was going to say, if

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Speaker 3: I recall the cops let a bunch of prous students,

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Speaker 3: and even that is not good enough.

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Speaker 6: So you had Joe Lonsdale, private equity guy, yeah, tweeted,

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Speaker 6: So Paul Graham who posted this, Joe Lonsdale shared it,

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Speaker 6: and it's like, look, Terrence obviously a genius. We all

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Speaker 6: respect his work, but he should work somewhere else because

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Speaker 6: u c l A is actually terribly anti semitic and

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Speaker 6: handled the handled the protests like they let the thugs

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Speaker 6: beat the students, and then he disciplined a bunch of

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Speaker 6: students for protesting a genocide.

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Speaker 1: That's not good.

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Speaker 6: Enough for you that that you have to like destroy

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Speaker 6: Terrence tow the.

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Speaker 3: And who wins, okay, And the irony is that u

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Speaker 3: c l A and the University of California system has

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Speaker 3: already taken extraordinary steps to comply with the currently just

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Speaker 3: so everybody stands U see system, the University of California

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Speaker 3: system has put a ban on bds and has said

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Speaker 3: that any student organization that participate, which is like all,

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Speaker 3: which is a lot not a shocker, the UC system

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Speaker 3: will not be eligible for funds from the university, so

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Speaker 3: already the university system.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, well, what else do you want?

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Speaker 3: And you know, reading through all of this, the justification

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Speaker 3: of the look, it has nothing to do with America,

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Speaker 3: and that's why it's just infuriating to me. You want

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Speaker 3: to pull the guys visa or whatever visa here illegally. Okay, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying what I'm saying. Previous there were examples

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Speaker 3: of that. Right, you want to pull the guy's visa

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Speaker 3: because he committed a crime, because he's a foreigner who

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Speaker 3: you know, violated the visa r or whatever. I'm fine

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Speaker 3: with that, or at least is justifiable. If you want

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Speaker 3: to pull the person for being discriminatory against fellow US

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Speaker 3: citizens or engaging in racial discrimination or something, I would

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Speaker 3: be fine with that. But here it's about anti what

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Speaker 3: they claim is anti Semitism, but as you just laid out,

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Speaker 3: is about boycotting a foreign state. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: this guy didn't even from what I can earner, he's

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Speaker 3: not even political, right, or I mean probably political to

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Speaker 3: the extent all academics are, which is like vaguely liberal

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Speaker 3: and Gavin yeah voted forgotten yeah, loves Gavin loves you know,

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Speaker 3: and this the Irons funding.

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Speaker 1: Gets pulled at the UCLA.

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Speaker 3: So I just want people to understand the justification for

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Speaker 3: this sledgehammer from the government and the deploying of funds

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Speaker 3: across all sectors of our economy and of our states

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Speaker 3: that are based on boycott of Israel.

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Speaker 1: And this is a right left.

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Speaker 3: Problem, this is now a Trump problem, and it's just

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Speaker 3: completely absurd. And finally, Ryan, you have an update here

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Speaker 3: eight about you on and Twitter removing a blue check

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Speaker 3: from Francesca Albaniez, who has been on the show.

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Speaker 6: By the way, Yeah, so this is like, this is wild,

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Speaker 6: Like there are entire organizations that have been set up.

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Speaker 4: I think unwatch dot org, which is reference.

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Speaker 6: In this tweet here is one of specifically, it seems,

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Speaker 6: for the sole purpose of trolling Francesca Albanesi, who is

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Speaker 6: an unpaid un special rappertoire for like Israel Palestine. She

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Speaker 6: was sanctioned recently by the US government, which people need

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Speaker 6: to absorb what that means, Like it makes it very

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Speaker 6: difficult for her to bank, to travel to kind of

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Speaker 6: exist as a human in the world. Sanctioned for the report,

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Speaker 6: what does she do she has no power whatsoever. She

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Speaker 6: can convene events and made a report and put out

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Speaker 6: reports which you can read or you cannot read.

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Speaker 1: I read it.

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Speaker 3: It's she was your R show. You can go watch

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Speaker 3: that interview. By the way, if you're interested.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you might get sanctioned.

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Speaker 6: Actually yeah, So this these pressure, these prosial pressure groups

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Speaker 6: reached out with lawyers to Twitter to get her blue check?

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Speaker 6: Are you joking? And ELI worked immediately. Okay, fine, blue

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Speaker 6: check gone?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Taking the blue check?

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Speaker 1: Interesting? The justification is that sanctions now, so the Iyatola.

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Speaker 6: Has can't take her money. If she can't take her

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Speaker 6: eight dollars, how.

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Speaker 3: Do you even know she's paying for it? Because nowadays

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Speaker 3: you don't even have to pay to get your quote

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Speaker 3: blue check.

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Speaker 1: Oh if you was follower? So how did that work out?

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Speaker 3: By the way, I remember a lot of people in

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Speaker 3: my mentions talking about how genius the blue check system is.

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Speaker 1: Really worked out? Well didn't it?

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Speaker 4: That was great?

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Speaker 1: So that's where we're at, guys.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, I mean, if you want to

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Speaker 3: have some hope, I guess you can. You know, there

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Speaker 3: was outcry about the explicit anti semitism boycott language in

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Speaker 3: the document they took it out, so okay, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, somewhat of a win. But the truth is

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Speaker 3: that the policy remains. In fact, if they wanted to,

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Speaker 3: they can enforce it at any time. They say BDS

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Speaker 3: is root in anti Semitism. Thirty nine states in this country,

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Speaker 3: red and blue. You can't accomplish that if it's not

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Speaker 3: truly bipartisan have ANTIBDS laws and or executive orders on

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Speaker 3: their books, which is probably the vast majority of the

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Speaker 3: US population now living under those laws. It's ridiculous and

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Speaker 3: it just shows you the extent to which our government

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Speaker 3: is basically at this service, state, local, federal, now all

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Speaker 3: at the service of the interests of a foreign nation.

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Speaker 3: I just think everybody should keep that in mind.

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Speaker 6: And the other downside of this weird relationship with this

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Speaker 6: small country.

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Speaker 1: Is that you just had to spend the.

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Speaker 6: First block of this program talking about it rather than

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Speaker 6: you know, things that actually should matter.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the reason and so, and that's a

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Speaker 3: reasonable question, but.

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Speaker 6: Like, yeah, we don't control we don't. If we don't

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Speaker 6: control our own politics, right then what's the point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's why, you know, reasonable question,

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Speaker 3: why lead with it? Well, Number One, you know, obviously

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Speaker 3: topic I think near and dear to a lot of

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Speaker 3: people in our demographics, like audience is hard. But two

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Speaker 3: is it's like you just said, how can we talk

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Speaker 3: about anything if the framework is such where people have

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Speaker 3: to be weary of their language and of their actions

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Speaker 3: as private citizens, as businesses, as state residents, and others.

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Speaker 3: If we're literally not allowed to freely say whatever we want. Especially,

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Speaker 3: it's stings coming from a near decade long freakout over

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Speaker 3: anti racism, which I was there with you, okay, I

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Speaker 3: fought in the trenches anti racism and DEI and you know,

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Speaker 3: I was there long before a lot of these other

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Speaker 3: folks were talking about Nicole Hannah Jones in the sixteen

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Speaker 3: nineteen project, and I was with the Trotskyites over at

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Speaker 3: what was at World Socialist Web who were writing some

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Speaker 3: of the original takedowns. I loved them, guys, by the way,

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Speaker 3: shout out, you know to some of the originals who

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Speaker 3: were speaking out against this. So for me, it's stings

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Speaker 3: because I literally was there and saw many of the

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Speaker 3: people were enacting this policy speak out against or speak

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Speaker 3: out for free speech, for censorship and cancel culture for

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Speaker 3: this type of behavior. You know, similarly, remember I had

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Speaker 3: I remember I met a Texas politician. They were outraged,

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Speaker 3: for example, that that their state funds would be subject

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Speaker 3: to black rock policies or bank policies because they weren't

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Speaker 3: allowed to invest in oil and gas and or gun companies.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, I mean, why should they

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Speaker 3: tell you, you know, put your money wherever you want.

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Speaker 1: This is the same you know, freak out about ESG.

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Speaker 3: You remember that, right, I mean I think all of

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Speaker 3: these things almost pale in comparison now at this point

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Speaker 3: to the state explicitly denying you funds and or telling

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Speaker 3: you what and you can't do, so, I think that

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Speaker 3: it also should speak.

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Speaker 6: And last point, none of these states actually do boycott

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Speaker 6: what they do it actually do and we've done something

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Speaker 6: about Hey.

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Speaker 1: I was fascinated by this. Please explain it.

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Speaker 6: Cities and states by high risk, low yield Israeli bonds

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Speaker 6: as a statement of political support.

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Speaker 1: Got it.

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Speaker 6: They're high risk bonds that ought to be high yield.

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Speaker 6: If you're willing to take on risk, you're supposed to

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Speaker 6: then take on a higher interest rate as a result

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Speaker 6: of that. But because we're so friendly, we're going to

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Speaker 6: oversubscribe to these high risk Israeli bonds. So all of

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Speaker 6: these cities and states could be getting higher interest rate

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Speaker 6: returns for their taxpayers. Instead they're sending the money to

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Speaker 6: support Israel's debt policy. Interesting, so that's far far from

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Speaker 6: boycotting Israel. That what cities and states are doing is

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Speaker 6: propping it up. That's crazy the expense of absolutely crazy

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Speaker 6: returns that states could be getting.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, let's get to Israel, the actual.

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Speaker 4: The actual war.

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Speaker 6: So Yahu and we'll get to this in a moment

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Speaker 6: has announced that he is going to transform the assault

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Speaker 6: on Gaza into a long term occupation. Whether or not

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Speaker 6: he actually does that or this is just a negotiating

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Speaker 6: ploye remains unclear. Donald Trump was has supposedly green lit

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Speaker 6: this strategy. He was asked yesterday does he believe that

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Speaker 6: what Netahu was doing as a genocide.

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Speaker 2: Here was his response, I see evidence of a genocide

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Speaker 2: in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: I don't think sad.

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Speaker 7: Look, they're in a war.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 7: Some horrible things happened on October seventh. As you know,

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Speaker 7: it was a horrible, horrible thing, one of the worst

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Speaker 7: I've ever seen. I've seen a lot of bad things

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Speaker 7: in some president in terms of wars and potential wars.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if you look at the one that we

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Speaker 7: just stopped, they had thousands of people being dead already

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Speaker 7: at the border between Thailand and Cambodia. Thousands of people.

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Speaker 7: And I mean, I've seen some bad things, but that

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Speaker 7: October seventh was with Hamas was really really bad.

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Speaker 1: Thailand and Cambodia happening in the hotspot.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember thousands of people. I think it was

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Speaker 4: one tie.

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Speaker 6: So far anyway, So I mean Siegel, who is important

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Speaker 6: to follow because is he channels net Yahoo.

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Speaker 3: He's a neta Yahoo English mouthpiece and is very open

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Speaker 3: about his not only support but conveying the internal views

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Speaker 3: of the government.

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Speaker 1: So that's why we're putting up there.

667
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Speaker 6: So whether what I mean Siegel is saying is true

668
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Speaker 6: or not isn't the point. We know it is coming

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Speaker 6: direct from net Yahoo, correct, So we can put up

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Speaker 6: B two here. He had a major report yesterday that

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Speaker 6: Nen Yahoo has made the decision that there's going to

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Speaker 6: be a massive expanded invasion of Gaza, including a long

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Speaker 6: term occupation, and that they're willing to operate in areas

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Speaker 6: where they suspect that hostages are being kept, which has

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Speaker 6: been a line that they have publicly at least attempted

676
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Speaker 6: not to cross because for obvious reasons, it puts them

677
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Speaker 6: at immediate risk of of being killed, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, either by.

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Speaker 6: Israel, either the IDF, or by their captors, who Hamas

680
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 6: has long said have been told if you're guarding hostages

681
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Speaker 6: and they're trying to take them by force, like that's it,

682
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Speaker 6: like you all go down.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's go even further. He says, we are going

684
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Speaker 3: to occupy the strip. The decision has been made. Hamas

685
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Speaker 3: won't release more hostages without total surrender. We won't surrender

686
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Speaker 3: if we don't act now, the hostages will starve to death,

687
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Speaker 3: and Gaza will remain under The hostages will starve to death,

688
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Speaker 3: not everybody else will starve to death, and Gaza will

689
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Speaker 3: remain under Hamas control. Amid says Israel was at a crossroads.

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Speaker 3: It's achieving neither victory nor hostage release. The figure says

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Speaker 3: that the mandate of negotiations is broad, but no deal

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Speaker 3: was reached, so they're going to move to occupy Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Quote, occupying Gaza entails what exactly ran I mean. It

695
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Speaker 3: could entail all sorts of things. First, it could entail

696
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Speaker 3: literally like house to house combat. I'm going to rule

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Speaker 3: that out because they haven't done it in the last

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Speaker 3: two years, and that would be what you would actually

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Speaker 3: want to.

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Speaker 4: Do if you want to res destroy the houses.

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Speaker 3: So they just destroyed the houses, starve the population, and

702
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Speaker 3: miserate the entire population, tried to drive them out, you know,

703
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Speaker 3: quote voluntary migration, I guess in the ways that.

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Speaker 1: They put it.

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Speaker 3: But second is occupying Gaza entails the quote indefinite presence

706
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Speaker 3: that they originally had wanted. And so this is not

707
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Speaker 3: an occupation, it's an annexation, and it's an annexation which

708
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Speaker 3: will be Look, I mean, I know we're already an

709
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Speaker 3: extraordinary part, and yes they already control the borders and

710
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Speaker 3: all that, but it is important to distinguish what this

711
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Speaker 3: quote full spell occupation would look like because it would

712
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Speaker 3: mean the political administration of the state, and it would

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Speaker 3: be entirely not just US funded, but it would allow

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Speaker 3: them to facilitate their so called voluntary migration, the forced

715
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Speaker 3: expulsion of the whoever is left living inside of the

716
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Speaker 3: Gaza strip. Further, you know, basically enacting their policy of

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Speaker 3: starvation or denial of aid or all of these other

718
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Speaker 3: things on top of a US led administration. I don't

719
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Speaker 3: want to drop that either, because that's the American point

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Speaker 3: of all of this, is that you think Israel has

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Speaker 3: the money or the manpower to actually take quote occupy

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Speaker 3: forget about it. Okay, Look, they can't. They can't keep

723
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Speaker 3: up what they're doing. Yeah, exactly their current pace of operations.

724
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Speaker 3: They've already had a thousand soldiers killed, a bunch of them.

725
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Speaker 3: They're already having major reservist problems.

726
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Speaker 1: Money.

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Speaker 3: It may costs an extraordinary amount of money to continue

728
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Speaker 3: their military. They're going to need untold numbers of bailouts

729
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Speaker 3: from the US to continue this occupation. And considering the

730
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Speaker 3: way that they've acted, I think we all know what

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Speaker 3: that occupation would look like.

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Speaker 1: It literally looked like a rack cakewalk.

733
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Speaker 3: And of course the political risk and all that then

734
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Speaker 3: falls on who America right, And I think that's a

735
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Speaker 3: very important part of the story and broadly what this

736
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Speaker 3: will all look like for this occupation.

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Speaker 1: This is not about hostages.

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Speaker 3: This is about full scale annexation, recontrol of the land,

739
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Speaker 3: maybe even more so than the West Bank now, and.

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Speaker 6: Tactically because of the tunnel system, it's not at all

741
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Speaker 6: obvious how they could even accomplish this in bethanun for instance,

742
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Speaker 6: IDF has gone in i believe five times and declared

743
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Speaker 6: each time that they had operational control. They went back

744
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Speaker 6: in recently to this place that they said they had

745
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Speaker 6: operational control and immediately got hit with an ambush. Hamas

746
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Speaker 6: and the other resistance factions is it's not just Hamas

747
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Speaker 6: rely for their primary supply of weapons unexploded Israeli bombs.

748
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Speaker 4: Israel has dropped multiple.

749
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Speaker 6: Hiroshima's worth of explosives on Gaza because they are dropping

750
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Speaker 6: them in what they call non ideal circumstances. In other words,

751
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Speaker 6: you're not supposed to just drop them on random urban environments,

752
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Speaker 6: and when you do, they don't explode at the normal rate.

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Speaker 6: And they're already started, already started with a bunch of

754
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Speaker 6: their older stuff. So you know you're looking at a

755
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Speaker 6: ten to twenty percent DoD rad even if it's say

756
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Speaker 6: two percent doud rate. That means that there is nearly

757
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Speaker 6: an unlimited supply of explosive material for Hamas and other

758
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Speaker 6: resistance groups to extract. That's that's where that's literally where

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Speaker 6: they get their weapons. Then they turn them into small

760
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Speaker 6: bombs and they on foot, walk them up to tanks

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Speaker 6: and then blow up the tanks.

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Speaker 1: So it's like basically I D northea, non story, very common.

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Speaker 4: And so as long as there are.

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Speaker 6: Human beings alive willing to do that, they're going to

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Speaker 6: continue to do that.

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Speaker 4: So you have.

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Speaker 6: To depopulate entirely the Gaza strip, basically.

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Speaker 4: Like if you're going to.

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Speaker 6: If you're going to hostily occupy it, how do you

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Speaker 6: do that without American troops? Yeah, well and even with

771
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Speaker 6: the honestly with Americans, by the way, even with US troops,

772
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Speaker 6: it would be a disaster and we should have abso nothing.

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Speaker 1: To do with that. But I don't think that will happen.

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Speaker 3: But Gaza Lago, which is basically what Trump determined, is

775
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Speaker 3: the policy. If the US is going to own it,

776
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Speaker 3: if it is a US light administration, then we own all.

777
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Speaker 3: I mean, we already are funding and are diplomatically running cover,

778
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Speaker 3: but it's a whole other thing to actually have actual administration.

779
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Speaker 3: And that's what Israel wants. They want our ownership of

780
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Speaker 3: Gaza so that they can push off the diplomatic cover

781
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Speaker 3: and everything and then make all of US own it effectively.

782
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Speaker 3: That's what Trump declared originally in the Oval Office in

783
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Speaker 3: his meeting with nets On Yahu about taking over Gaza.

784
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Speaker 3: But this basically pairs with the literal expulsion of all

785
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Speaker 3: of the citizens taking them over, and there's just no

786
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Speaker 3: world where this is going to work out better for

787
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Speaker 3: the people and for the Palestinians right where they're going

788
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Speaker 3: to be under genuine, direct Israeli occupation.

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Speaker 1: In the same way, let's just look at the peaceful West.

790
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Speaker 3: Bank, which we covered yesterday, where people are being murdered

791
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Speaker 3: in cold blood by a lot of these settlers. I mean,

792
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Speaker 3: how soon do the settlers start coming in behind the IDF,

793
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Speaker 3: which is the dream of the Israeli captain.

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Speaker 1: They say it out loud much.

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Speaker 6: Bend Giver and all those that's what they want. They

796
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Speaker 6: want settlers in Gaza uh and to talk, just to

797
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 6: show how kind of corrupt the negotiation process was recently

798
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Speaker 6: put up B three here, so the Times of Israel

799
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Speaker 6: saying that you know this, there's there's a Saudi report

800
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Speaker 6: that says Hamas is under pressure to show flexibility, but

801
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Speaker 6: unclear if new talks are in the offing, and Jeremy

802
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Speaker 6: Skhill have more on this for dropsight tomorrow. But the

803
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Speaker 6: Lamas officials have been speaking publicly, and we have the

804
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Speaker 6: paper that was passed back and forth in the negotiations.

805
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Speaker 6: According to that, Yahoo and Witkoff, who walked away, that

806
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Speaker 6: one of the big stumbling blocks was Hamas was refusing

807
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Speaker 6: to disarm. According to Hamas and according to all of

808
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Speaker 6: the documents that are public that were swapped back and forth,

809
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Speaker 6: that was never discussed as part of the negotiations because

810
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Speaker 6: it's it's just it's not gonna happen, so you don't

811
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Speaker 6: discuss things aren't going to happen, like Hamas has said,

812
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Speaker 6: like we're not asking Israel to like abandon Tel Aviv,

813
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 6: like we'd like them too, if they stay out loud,

814
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Speaker 6: they'd like to do, but we're not asking for that

815
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 6: in the negotiations we're trying to Hamas says that they

816
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 6: were on the brink of signing the and they were

817
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 6: moving toward the implemented implementation phase. There was nothing in

818
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Speaker 6: there about this army. It was about, you know, the

819
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Speaker 6: pace of the Israeli withdrawal from their current positions, the

820
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Speaker 6: number of hostages exchanged on each side, and the flow

821
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Speaker 6: of aid into Gaza, like that's what that's what they're

822
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Speaker 6: talking about and then all of a sudden would cough

823
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Speaker 6: and the others like just blow the whole thing up,

824
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Speaker 6: and are now talking about a massive occupation.

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Speaker 3: And the thing they're blowing it up over Ryan As

826
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Speaker 3: I understand it, having read Scales and others reporting, is

827
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: about this literal occupation in the terms of because they

828
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Speaker 3: don't want them to just like demilitarize and lay down

829
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Speaker 3: their weapons.

830
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Speaker 1: They're like, you have to effectively surrender. They're like, all

831
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Speaker 1: of Gasa, we will determine what area is ours for humanitarians,

832
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Speaker 1: will have a humanitarians.

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Speaker 3: I mean it basically it looks like it is right now, right,

834
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Speaker 3: which is but I mean last time we had talked,

835
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Speaker 3: you had told me that a lot of the population

836
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Speaker 3: was even willing to take that.

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Speaker 1: Well, where's the population on this question?

838
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Speaker 6: I think still to this day, anything that gets in

839
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Speaker 6: aid food and stops the bombs for sixty days or

840
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Speaker 6: thirty days, just do it, yeah, because they don't trust

841
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Speaker 6: what's written down anyway. So it's like if we can

842
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Speaker 6: get thirty or sixty days. So Hamas was you can

843
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 6: look at what they were willing to move on was

844
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Speaker 6: being quite flexible just because they knew how much pressure

845
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Speaker 6: they were under from their own population, and that's why

846
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Speaker 6: it had to end the way it did, with Hamas

847
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Speaker 6: thinking that they were about to sign a deal and

848
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Speaker 6: move to the implementation phase and Witkoff shocking even the

849
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Speaker 6: Cuttery and Egyptian mediators and announcing that Hamas is being

850
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Speaker 6: inflexible and the whole thing and the whole thing is off, like,

851
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Speaker 6: because it couldn't end with Hamas being inflexible and announcing

852
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Speaker 6: that they were walking away because they weren't willing to

853
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Speaker 6: Hamas was going to cave on whatever. Yeah, so that's

854
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Speaker 6: why you had to have this weird like wait a minute,

855
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Speaker 6: Whitkoff is announcing that Hamas is saying though, like, wouldn't

856
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Speaker 6: wouldn't Hamas be the one that would say no if

857
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Speaker 6: it's true that they were saying no? And then hamask

858
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Speaker 6: can other like we didn't say no?

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Speaker 4: What are you doing? Bro?

860
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Speaker 1: And so this is all under pressure from whom? Is

861
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Speaker 1: this from the Israeli.

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Speaker 3: Government on the American government? You know, you know in

863
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Speaker 3: terms of the way the.

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Speaker 6: Good question, well, the way that in the US and

865
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Speaker 6: Israel just starre a lockstep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks to me as if not only lockstep

867
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Speaker 3: but basically making it so that Hamas they said they

868
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Speaker 3: won't do it, and they wanted occupation this whole time.

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Speaker 6: That's what That's how it appears to me. Yeah, and

870
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Speaker 6: I mean they've said they want occupation the whole time.

871
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Speaker 6: And meanwhile, we can put up before net. Yahoo is

872
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 6: trying to reshape the government in multiple ways. People who

873
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 6: aren't following this clothes they might not realize the man

874
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Speaker 6: spends a significant amount of his time in court.

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton the charges starting wars to distract from his.

876
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Speaker 6: Own personal problems, and he's a key and his aides

877
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 6: are accused of being on the dole of cutter, which

878
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 6: is hilarious on a bunch of different layers. So now

879
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 6: he moved to get rid of the attorney general who's

880
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 6: prosecuting him. The Supreme Court has has held this up.

881
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 6: This this this is at the heart of his judicial

882
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 6: reform that kind of blew up the country's politics. Prior

883
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 6: to October seventh, he had all these protesters out in

884
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 6: the streets for a year trying to stop him from

885
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 6: doing this kind of judicial reform that was that everybody

886
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 6: assumed was related to his own prosecutorial problems. And now

887
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 6: he's going after the actual prosecutor. And meanwhile he got

888
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 6: rid of this Edelstein, who is the head of this

889
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 6: committee that oversees basically.

890
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: The army and.

891
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 6: In a massive fight over whether or not the Haredi

892
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 6: should be subject to the draft and should participate in

893
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 6: the war. And so net Yahoo on the one hand

894
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 6: getting rid of Thettorney General on the other hand doing

895
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 6: everything he can to keep his right wing coalition together

896
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 6: by excluding a huge portion of the population from having

897
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 6: to participate for religious reasons this in this war.

898
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: And so.

899
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 6: The country is, you know, thoroughly united on the kind

900
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 6: of genocide. Like you look at the polls on that,

901
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 6: it would be it'd be an interesting challenge for a

902
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 6: Polster to try to find a question that was so

903
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 6: grotesque and over the top that it wouldn't get a

904
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 6: majority of Israeli support in this in surveys. So they're

905
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 6: united on that, but everywhere else the society is torn apart.

906
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 6: And that is those are the conditions on which he

907
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 6: thinks he's then going to launch a massive war in Gaza,

908
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 6: while at the same time hugely inflaming tensions in the

909
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 6: West Bank. They're currently If you haven't been following this

910
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 6: that there was a radical settler murdered a a well

911
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 6: known West Bank Yeah, we had activists, we covered it. Yeah,

912
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 6: who's featured in no other land.

913
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: He's free.

914
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 6: The guy's family is still in jail for no reason

915
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 6: and they're keeping the body. And so you're gonna do

916
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 6: all this and also then launch a massive occupation of Gaza.

917
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: See that's why so many Americans. It's there's so many

918
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: ironies going on here. Number One, the israel first years

919
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: in America are always like, you're funded by Qatar if

920
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: you're critical of Israel, and I'm like, well, the only

921
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: people were There's some like direct evidence are being funded

922
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 3: by guitar are Netta, who's closest political advisors who were

923
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: under in nightment and bb is using to fund who

924
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: he was using to fund Hamas right, And so then

925
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: we use it even further. Will Beebe's actually under corruption trial.

926
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: Every single time that something happens, he's like, oh, I'm sorry,

927
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 3: we need to pause this because I'm bombing Syria today

928
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: or I'm occupying Gaza today, and then slowly but surely

929
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: he's fired. I mean, it's literally like the original scandals

930
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 3: back in the day in twenty seventeen about firing COMI

931
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 3: I mean he fired his FBI director, the Shinbet director

932
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: over this corruption investigation. Now he's firing the attorney general.

933
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: They had the quote judicial reform. I mean it's cartoonish corruption.

934
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: And every single point.

935
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 6: Escalation in the war in Gaza, and or with Iran,

936
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 6: and or with Syria is linked low and behold to

937
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 6: developments with his corruption trot.

938
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: It happens like clockwork. But people here are so illiterate

939
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: that they don't even know even the pro is trail

940
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: groups about what's actually happening in the country that they're

941
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: supposedly passionate about is that he's obviously using his foreign

942
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: policy to protect himself for political per First, it was

943
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: October seventh, I remember, we all well talk about October

944
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: seventh after the war in Gaza has finished. Never end

945
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: the war, Never have to talk about it. Wait for

946
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: people to wait for people to forget. It's like nine

947
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: to eleven. By the time of the nine eleven Commission

948
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: report were bogged down in Iraq, Everyone's like, ah, whatever,

949
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: you know, it's three years ago. You know, it's the

950
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: same thing right past, right, It's all in the past.

951
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: Why are you so harp Why are you harping on

952
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: the past. You mean the event that literally got us

953
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: into the war. Yeah, that's the that is the difficulty

954
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: of all of it. And then finally B six Ryan

955
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: tell us what happened.

956
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: Yes, this is just utterly tragic, outrageous.

957
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 6: Ode Nahala el Karreine, nurse at Alaxa Hospital, just days ago,

958
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 6: posted a video talking about how humiliating, uh, these aid

959
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 6: drops are that what are you doing? Like, why are

960
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 6: you dropping aid out of airplanes when you have all

961
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 6: of these land crossings just right there. If you want

962
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 6: to bring in aid, put it on a truck, put

963
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 6: the truck in first gear, hit the gas, and bring

964
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 6: it in like it is not complicated at all. And

965
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 6: bring in enough trucks so that starving people aren't looting

966
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 6: them the second they get in.

967
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 4: Like quite simple.

968
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 6: This nurse oday killed by a falling aid drop yesterday. Wow.

969
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 6: And many of these air drops have killed a lot

970
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 6: of people still, and we covered it, and the US

971
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 6: dropped eight the same thing happened. And meanwhile, the head

972
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 6: of nursing at Nasser Hospital was killed by a targeted

973
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 6: strike yesterday in his tent with his family. So they

974
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 6: killed this nurse accidentally with air dropped AID. And they

975
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 6: still continue to target top medical professionals, not collateral damage

976
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 6: as part of some targeted operation at some militant or something,

977
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 6: but identifying top medical staff and killing them in their

978
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 6: tents with their families.

979
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: Wow, Like, what are we doing?

980
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: Moving now to the conflict with India, Donald Trump has

981
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: gone off on the Indian government, raising tariffs on them

982
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: to twenty five percent. However dramatically now escalating said tariffs.

983
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 3: Why again, not because of any of the business or

984
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: non tariff barriers in the country, but because of their

985
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: policy on the war in Ukraine and buying Russian oil.

986
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: Here he is just this morning from an interview with CNBC.

987
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen with India.

988
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: What people don't like to say about India. They're the

989
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 5: highest tariff nation. They have the highest tariff of anybody.

990
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 5: We do very, very little business with India because their

991
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 5: tariffs are so high. So India has not been a

992
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 5: good trading partner because they do a lot of business

993
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 5: with us, but we don't do business with them. So

994
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 5: we settled on twenty five percent. But I think I'm

995
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 5: going to raise that very substantially over the next twenty

996
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 5: four hours because they're buying Russian oil, they're fueling the

997
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 5: war machine, and are they going to do that?

998
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: Then I'm not going to be happy. I'm not too happy.

999
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: So dramatically increasing tariffs on India for the war in Ukraine?

1000
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: Got it?

1001
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: This is genuinely a Lindsey Graham fever dream of the neocons,

1002
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: and we've covered it here for years now, since twenty

1003
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: twenty two. Is everyone's furious with India and with China

1004
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: for But by the way, yeah, interesting, China is not

1005
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: listed in that, isn't it, even though they're on a

1006
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: pause right now. The two largest buyers of Russian oil Russia,

1007
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 3: of course able to sell oil out on the market.

1008
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: In fact, the Indians and the Chinese are getting a

1009
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: discount on the oil because the rest of the world

1010
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: is not buying it, and they're using those profits to

1011
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 3: fund the war machine. Now, okay, I mean you can

1012
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: be upset about that, but everyone should ask should US

1013
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: trade policy with its tenth largest trading partner, which is

1014
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 3: what India is if you look at overall bilateral trade

1015
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 3: be subject to the war in Ukraine.

1016
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: The war in Ukraine. Just so everybody understands here.

1017
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: Now we have two separate instances, is of Trump using

1018
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 3: tariffs to enforce foreign policy goals which have no impact

1019
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 3: on any of us. First is Canada. If you'll recall

1020
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 3: when Trump put out his tweet where he said something

1021
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: along the lines of Wow, Canada just raised or just

1022
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: recognized Palestine. That's going to impact our trade. What so

1023
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 3: our raid on maple and lumber.

1024
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: Lumber is going to.

1025
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: Be impacted by the Canadian governments enter and oil, yeah,

1026
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: great example, is going to be impacted by the Canadian

1027
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: government's position on Palestine. So in this case, because Trump

1028
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 3: has unsuccessfully been able to wind up the war in Ukraine,

1029
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: something he said that he would do before he was

1030
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: even in office, is now tariffing India at a very

1031
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: very high rate because they're buying Russian oil.

1032
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: Something.

1033
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: By the way, that his own vice president and others

1034
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: when the Biden administration was considering doing this, spoke out

1035
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: against that very policy using the full force of the

1036
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: empire and punishing more important allies for the purpose of

1037
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: protecting Ukraine and trying to quote force peace over there. Also, guys,

1038
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: let's all be honest here, we've punished the Russian economy

1039
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 3: into the ground right, supposedly from the way that the

1040
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: Western sanctions. They're doing fine their GDP and all that.

1041
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: It's not also, by the way, not just because of oil,

1042
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: it's because of their own domestic war production and more.

1043
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this wouldn't hurt, but we're all like,

1044
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: let's think about the consequences, Like if you import something

1045
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: from India, or if you have some business relationship, whatever,

1046
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: do you really think that you should have to pay

1047
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: more for that or have a shortage of it because

1048
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: of the war in Ukraine.

1049
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: This is a Biden policy.

1050
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 6: And if you think about it, our sanctions, our sanction

1051
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 6: policy has created the circumstances that you're talking about that

1052
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 6: the Russian economy is doing well ish, but significantly because

1053
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 6: of the war. It's this Keynesian situation where war production

1054
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 6: and production for that effort is driving economic growth. So

1055
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 6: we've put them in this position where if they unwind

1056
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 6: the war, which is what they want them to do,

1057
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 6: then they will suffer a short term economic setback. So

1058
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 6: our own sanctions policy actually incentivizes them to keep the

1059
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 6: war going. If our economic policy towards Russia was to

1060
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 6: balance out their economy so that the war machine was

1061
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 6: not such a central part of it. That would actually

1062
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 6: then free up the Russian kind of political calculation on

1063
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 6: which Putin rests to be able to then leave the

1064
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 6: war without the economic ramifications. Now maybe he still wouldn't

1065
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 6: because he just wore war mad lunatic, but he would

1066
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 6: have the opportunity to be able to do so without

1067
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 6: the short term political hit of an economic crash. Like

1068
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 6: just like nt Yahoo, like just wants to go from

1069
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 6: Monday to Tuesday and keep himself alive, keep the war going.

1070
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: You know, if if it's easier to do A than

1071
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: B for a.

1072
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 4: Politician, that politician is usually going to do a.

1073
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just broadly, I mean somebody they're like, you

1074
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: only care about this because you're Indian.

1075
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely the only reason.

1076
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: It's not that I haven't said anything similar about Vietnam

1077
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: or about the Philippines or any of the other critical

1078
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: allies in Asia which are non Chinese. A classic thing

1079
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: that you would want to do, let's say, some Kissingerian

1080
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: style real politique would say, Okay, our global whatever you

1081
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 3: want to call it, competition, adversary, etc.

1082
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: Is China.

1083
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 3: So what do you do all the countries around China.

1084
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: What would you want. You would want some decent relations,

1085
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: which is why we should maybe not hit Japan with

1086
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: a fifty percent tariff, or Korea or I mean, I

1087
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 3: can go down to the Philippines, India, any of these other

1088
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: powers and we would say we want all of these

1089
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 3: people to have great economic relationships there. US manufacturers can

1090
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 3: still better fit from trade in Southeast Asia and in

1091
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: Asia without having to rely on bolstering the Chinese economy,

1092
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: and to make sure that the US maintains whatever its

1093
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: economic giant power. There By the way, this is a

1094
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Speaker 3: Trump administration policy. As you all might recall Apple announcing

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Speaker 3: that it would move production from China to India. These

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Speaker 3: are strategic goals which I'm very okay with, Okay, and

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Speaker 3: that has nothing to do with my heritage or whatever

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. Broadly, they could move to Vietnam for all

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Speaker 3: I care. I don't care, all right, just get it

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Speaker 3: out of China. My point is just that this is

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Speaker 3: completely counter to the europe first mentality that the Biden

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Speaker 3: administration had, with this religious obsession with NATO, punishing nations

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Speaker 3: like China, India and subjecting our entire foreign policy to

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Speaker 3: the war in Ukraine, which again has nothing to do

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Speaker 3: on any impact on any life of an American. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, if sanctions or any of this could

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Speaker 3: solve it, it would happen a long, long time ago.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, every single day that the war continues,

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Speaker 3: Ukrainian people are suffering. They're raising their age to sixty,

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Speaker 3: which we'll get to in a little bit. And now

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Speaker 3: you're isolating an ally again or fine, a trading partner,

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Speaker 3: which I think is very critical in maintaining.

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Speaker 1: Strategic balance in Southeast Asia. So with that, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Just the line that you only care about this because

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00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 6: your Indian would actually make a lot more sense if

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00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 6: it was you only care about this because you're American.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, I love they're a

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Speaker 1: huge trading partner. Do you like do you like generic pharmaceutic?

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Speaker 3: I would say the same thing about time. I would

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Speaker 3: say the same thing about any of these countries. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, Taiwan is even more important trading partner.

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Speaker 3: Guess who also got hit with the tariff if you

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Speaker 3: want to know under these this is the point is

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Speaker 3: that the policy makes no sense. It's computed stupidly, and

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Speaker 3: here explicitly the original twenty five percent is about non

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Speaker 3: tariff bearers.

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Speaker 1: Fine, it's true.

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Speaker 3: By the way, India is an insane economy, the way

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Speaker 3: that they shut out Western like Western investment. I don't

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Speaker 3: blame them per se because if I were them, might

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Speaker 3: probably do the same thing.

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Speaker 4: We still exporting poked up fifty billion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot. Well, okay.

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Speaker 3: Their theory is we want total control of our economy

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Speaker 3: because we don't trust the West and we don't trust China.

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Speaker 6: Also, aren't they two out things we're supposed to care about,

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Speaker 6: like the things that countries are supposed to do for us,

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00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 6: as they're supposed to support Bolts and Arrow would be mad, right,

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Speaker 6: I forgot that he was not able to carry his

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Speaker 6: coup out. They're supposed to support Israel, and I think

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Speaker 6: Modi is like check and check. Finally, but three, you

1142
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 6: also have to hate Russia and love Ukraine, right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, got it?

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Speaker 3: So we should definitely that's the way that we should

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00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: be conducting it. So we wanted to give you guys

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Speaker 3: a view into how this is being received in India.

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Speaker 3: We've got a clip here from Republic TV or Indian

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Speaker 3: viewers may know what it is. It's kind of hard

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Speaker 3: to explain Fox. I guess, I mean, it's not exactly

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Speaker 3: the same media environment, but this is our knab Goswami.

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Speaker 3: He's I guess the Tucker Carlson ish of India, very

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Speaker 3: popular podcast, very very popular voice. We'll say that on

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Speaker 3: Indian national television. Here's how they are reacting to it.

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Speaker 3: A nationalist India.

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Speaker 8: Trump escalates the tradif war with India. Trump says he's

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00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 8: going to substantial increase tariffs on India. Trump puts out

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00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 8: an aggressive post saying We're going to be further further

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00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 8: slapping more tariffs on India, and he's linking it to

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00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 8: India's friendship and our business with the Russians. We have

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Speaker 8: no response to Russia yet, but it's quite clear that

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Speaker 8: we are caught in the middle of this Russia versus US,

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Speaker 8: you know, trade battle, that we've become the lynchpin of

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Speaker 8: this battle. So it hed it serves Trump both ways.

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Speaker 8: He targets Russia and of course he squeezes India at

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Speaker 8: a time when we were ahead of the other countries

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Speaker 8: in terms of negotiating a tariff deal with America. He's

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Speaker 8: sending I think mister Whitkoff in the next week to

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Speaker 8: negotiate with Russia. So he's opening up a line of

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Speaker 8: conversation with Russia, increasing the threat and pressure on India,

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Speaker 8: opening a line with Russia, and then saying, using his

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Speaker 8: advisers to say that India and China are together raised

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Speaker 8: the pressure, raising part of the part of the machine

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Speaker 8: that is supporting the Russian economy. Now, these are all

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01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 8: last minute gambits by Trump. He's not liking the noises

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Speaker 8: coming from India, or rather he's not liking the lack

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Speaker 8: of a response from the Indian government.

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Speaker 3: Man, okay, no offense Indian TV. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: is going on with the motion tracking there over on

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Speaker 3: those cameras. All right, let me call me, all right,

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Speaker 3: we could talk. But the Indian Foreign Ministry has also

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01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: put out the statement. 's put it up there on

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Speaker 3: the screen. They say India has been targeted by the

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01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: United States and the European Union for importing oil from

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01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: Russia after the commencement of the Ukraine conflict. India began

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01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: importing Russia because traditional supplies were diverted to Europe after

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01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 3: the conflict. Interesting the United States at that time actively

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01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: encouraged such imports by an infra, strengthening global energy market stability.

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01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: India's imports are to ensure predictable and affordable energy costs

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Speaker 3: to the Indian consumer. They are a necessity compelled by

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Speaker 3: the global market situation. However, it is revealing that the

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Speaker 3: very nations criticizing India are themselves indulging in trade with Russia.

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Speaker 3: Unlike our case, such trade is not even a vital

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Speaker 3: national compulsion. The European Union had bilatal trade of sixty

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Speaker 3: seven goods billion in goods with Russia. In addition, it

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Speaker 3: had trade and services estimated Euro seventeen billion in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three. That is much more than India's total trade

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Speaker 3: with Russia that year. Subsequently, European imports of LNG in

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Speaker 3: fact riched record sixteen point five million tons, surpassing the

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Speaker 3: last record of fifteen million tons in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Russia trade includes not just energy but fertilizer, etc. Where

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Speaker 3: the United States's concurns. It continues to import Russian uranium

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Speaker 3: hexafluoride for its nuclear industry, palladium for its ev industry,

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Speaker 3: fertilized as well as chemicals. In this background, the targeting

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Speaker 3: in India is unjustified. And unreasonable, and interestingly enough, actually

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Speaker 3: Mody this morning basically is like, Yeah, we're just gonna

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01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 3: keep buying Russian oil and we'll see you guys on

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Speaker 3: the other side, they're not taking this all that seriously,

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01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 3: and increasingly with the conflict with Russia, you're watching all

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01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 3: of these crazy belligerent actions which again are straight out

1210
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Speaker 3: of Lindsey Graham. Let's put C four up there on

1211
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: the screen. So, for example, there was this more recent

1212
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Speaker 3: development from the Russians in response to Trump's deployment of

1213
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Speaker 3: nuclear submarines, where former President Medvedev said that NATO countries

1214
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 3: have abandoned there has blamed NATO countries and says that

1215
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Speaker 3: Russia will now quote abandon a moratorium on short and

1216
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 3: medium range nuclear missiles and said Moscow would take further

1217
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: steps in response. This was after Trump went after him

1218
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 3: for making belligerent statements about the conflict and deployed nuclear submarines,

1219
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: publicly saying that if we need to, of course, we

1220
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Speaker 3: have the ability to strike Russia back. Well the same time,

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Speaker 3: what's happening in Ukraine. Let's go ahead and put C

1222
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Speaker 3: six police up on the screen. The Ukrainian Army now

1223
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Speaker 3: opening its ranks to the sixty plus club to volunteer

1224
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: for military service. Contract terms say one year enlistment, medical clearance,

1225
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 3: and no upper age limit. This was after a revelation

1226
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. Now at this point that

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Speaker 3: the average age of the Ukraine military at that time

1228
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: was in the forties, and they're already losing thousands of

1229
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: people on the front line, they're losing territory. This is

1230
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 3: despite the fact that Trump administration has accelerated weapons going

1231
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: to the country, including patriot missile batteries which we massively

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01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 3: depleted for another country called Israel. It's just all so preposterous,

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Speaker 3: and just to cap it all off, Ryan, at the

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01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 3: same time, we're supposedly defending democracy in Ukraine. Let's go

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Speaker 3: ahead and put the next one up there, see seven

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Speaker 3: please up on the screen. Is that Ukrainians recently took

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Speaker 3: to the streets to protest Zelenski for cracking down on

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Speaker 3: corruption watchdogs quote for writing, corruption has been a central

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Speaker 3: issue for Ukrainians, and new curbs on watchdog agencies have

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Speaker 3: alarmed many. So Zelensky and his top people quote granted

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Speaker 3: the General Prosecutor control over Ukraine's main anti corruption bodies,

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Speaker 3: which quote, many citizens fear will roll back reforms introduced

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Speaker 3: after a pro interesting pro democracy revolution more than ten

1244
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 3: years ago. The demonstrations were the country's largest since twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two invasion. Were peaceful, but the crowds simmered with

1246
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 3: rage after a population that survived nearly three and a

1247
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Speaker 3: half years of war, drone attacks, loss of loved ones,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. And now you know, supposedly the grand master

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Speaker 3: democracy champion, Zelenski himself, is cracking down on the very

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Speaker 3: anti corruption institutions, which were modestly pointing out the billions

1251
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 3: of dollars of money laundering and others that have been

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Speaker 3: wasted on this conflict.

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Speaker 1: By the West.

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Speaker 3: That's who we're all supporting, and that's why we're now

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Speaker 3: tariffing India and putting our relationship with them subject so

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Speaker 3: that Zelenski and his cronies can continue their anti corruption

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Speaker 3: you know, crackdown in their own country. That's what we're

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Speaker 3: all paying for. And we're paying for, you know, Ukrainian

1259
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Speaker 3: yarn shops and pensioners while people here are going to

1260
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Speaker 3: lose Medicare and snap makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, Yes, you would think that sending billions of dollars

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Speaker 6: to Ukraine and canceling the elections would root out the

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Speaker 6: corruption there. Turns out there's still work to be done,

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Speaker 6: but that work will not be done by the anti

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Speaker 6: corruption group that Zelenski is getting rid of. By the way,

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Speaker 6: one amazing quote from Trump on Sundays he said, you know,

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Speaker 6: if he gives month long ultimatum to putin, then he's like, actually,

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Speaker 6: it's ten days, because I don't trust that he's going

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Speaker 6: to do anything. And if you don't do it or out,

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Speaker 6: you know, you make peace or else. And they said,

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Speaker 6: what else he's going to I'm going to sanction them?

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Speaker 6: And then Trump said, well, there will be sanctions, but

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Speaker 6: they seem to be pretty good at avoiding sanctions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, real, real tough talk.

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Speaker 1: And so that's basically where we're at.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Indians have effectively called the bluff and

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Speaker 3: they're like, okay, fine, let's go for it. And their

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 3: theory is, yeah, we'll sign a trade deal and all

1279
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Speaker 3: of this will go away. And so actually, you know,

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Speaker 3: even the Ukrainians are basically if that's true, or being

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Speaker 3: used as a pawn in negotiations with India or trade.

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Speaker 1: It's not like any of it all matters.

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Speaker 3: But you know, inside of India, this is not being

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Speaker 3: met well, just from what I can see in terms

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01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 3: of looking at public opinion and the way that the

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Speaker 3: Biden administration previously treated them. They thought it would be different,

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Speaker 3: but it turns out that the new boss is actually

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Speaker 3: crazier than the boss.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious for take, but I think ye.

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Speaker 6: What Trump doesn't understand here is that when you are

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Speaker 6: starting at twenty five percent tariffs, that's an unserious tariff

1292
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Speaker 6: rate because it would decimate trade between India and the US.

1293
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Speaker 6: If it stayed at twenty five percent like it, it

1294
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 6: would seize it up. It's well over the rate at

1295
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Speaker 6: which companies are able to just absorb this hit usually

1296
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Speaker 6: and keep moving. So therefore anything above that is meaningless

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Speaker 6: because twenty five is already killer. So they're at twenty

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Speaker 6: five now and Trump is like, I'm going to make

1299
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Speaker 6: it significantly higher. It's like, well, it's are you It's

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Speaker 6: like the difference between twenty five fifty we talked about

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Speaker 6: this with China to most and fifty Modope, no difference.

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Speaker 1: It's like you're that's it.

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Speaker 6: You're not you can't, You're not making money at twenty

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Speaker 6: five or at fifty, so both of them are prohibitive.

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Speaker 6: So that's why I think India can be like all right, bro,

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Speaker 6: well like talk to us when you're not at twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, just broadly, it is their foreign

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Speaker 3: policy right now, our our trade policy, our economic policy

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Speaker 3: is focused on Israel and on Ukraine and has nothing

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Speaker 3: to do apparently with the rest of us.

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Speaker 4: Or can't you can and crack the top?

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Speaker 1: Sorry? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And Bolsonaro, Yeah, that's that's apparently why we should pay

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Speaker 3: more for coffee. By the way, as a coffee fanatic,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if everybody knows this, the coffee prices

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Speaker 3: right now are out of control. Go and take a

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Speaker 3: look at coffee futures, largely because of these Brazil tariffs,

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Speaker 3: and there was some horrible storm or something like that

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Speaker 3: that killed a bunch of the coffee crops. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you like to drink coffee every day, even if

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Speaker 3: low rate coffee, all of that, well, I have bad

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Speaker 3: news where it's probably gonna go up by twenty thirty

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Speaker 3: percent based upon the futures markets that I was looking at.

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Speaker 1: Res you people need to sacrifice for Bolsonarow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, you're right. I should pay more

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Speaker 3: for coffee for a Bolsonaro. It makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Ryan and Emily and beyond tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Ryan.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you man, and have a great

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Speaker 1: Counterpoy show tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: I see you later.