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Speaker 3: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 3: What do we have Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots to get to this morning, including

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Speaker 1: new footage from our RFK junior focus group. You guys

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Speaker 1: seem to really be interested in what they had to

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Speaker 1: say yesterday. Today they are tackling some of us more

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Speaker 1: controversial positions with regard to Ukraine and also with regard

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Speaker 4: You definitely are going to want to see that.

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Speaker 1: We also have Kamala Harris saying that she is ready

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Speaker 1: to serve as this comes amid heightened concerns about Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's age, of course, and also the return of John.

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Speaker 4: Stewart to the Daily Show. We watched it this morning.

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Speaker 1: We were both but by that boy last night, but

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Speaker 4: Want to take a look at.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump meanwhile, has a big week in court. The

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Speaker 4: That down for you.

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Speaker 1: Israel is saying that we should be the ones to

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Speaker 1: we'll tell you about that. We also have a democratic senator.

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Speaker 1: This was a big surprise that sort of just like

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Speaker 1: actually saying Israel is committing war crimes, but it didn't

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Speaker 1: So break all of that down for you. I'm also

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Speaker 4: So a lot to get to.

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Speaker 2: So we have as a crystal alluded to a clip

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Speaker 5: Put your hand up if you think if you've got

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Speaker 5: Put your hand up if you do, think is right

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Speaker 11: I understand they have to come and try to get

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Speaker 9: That's also something that we're spending way too much money

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Speaker 5: What makes Ukraine different, What makes what window hands for Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: They equate Israel as Holy Land, and so people seem

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Speaker 9: He is acknowledging that Russia made a point that NATO

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Speaker 11: It seems like a proxy war over there. We've given

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Speaker 8: I think we need to support other countries with a

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Speaker 8: Like you know, our parents have always said, you know,

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Speaker 3: Some very interesting results there. So what was my numbers?

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Speaker 2: Six out of seven say that they believe that the

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Speaker 3: Is not nice there?

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Speaker 2: In perspective, I do think you can see there though

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Speaker 2: He's still though, how however, it does have the ad

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Speaker 2: pinned to his profile.

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Speaker 4: That's so smart. Sorry not sar, I guess, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I don't think he should be sorry.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's like, I'm sorry, do you have a

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Speaker 2: freaking monopoly on the Kennedy family name?

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Speaker 3: There's like over what, there's like two hundred of you

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Speaker 3: now at this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For example, like Bobby Shriver, who is the son I

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Speaker 2: believe of Huge Okay, Eunice Kennedy and Sergeant Shriver, who

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Speaker 2: was Eunice Kennedy was JFK's sister. He tweets out, my

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Speaker 2: cousin's super Bowl ad used our uncle's faces and my mother's.

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Speaker 2: We would be appalled by his deadly health care She

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Speaker 2: would be appalled by his deadly healthcare views, respect for science, vaccines,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Our equity were in her DNA, she strongly

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Speaker 2: opposed that and supported my healthcare work at the one

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Speaker 2: campaign and read which he opposes where it's like, Okay, dude,

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Speaker 2: now you're using your mom's family name to support the

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Speaker 2: work that you're doing. It's like, would anybody care about

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Speaker 2: Bobby Striver if his last name wasn't Shriver? Sorry, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the same thing, like that one of his cousins

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Speaker 2: chimed in in the same way. RFK alone had like

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Speaker 2: eleven kids eleven JFK what he had two If you

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Speaker 2: could include the Shriver's Maria Shriver and you got the

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Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger's and all that, who has claim at this point

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Speaker 2: to the Kennedy family name. I'm just like, listen, if

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Speaker 2: your last name is Kennedy, if we've got what three

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Speaker 2: now us congressman who have grifted off the Kennedy name

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Speaker 2: to be mediocre ones, Bobby can do whatever he wants anything.

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Speaker 2: He has probably more of a claim to the legacy

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Speaker 2: than like a great great uncle son or whatever who

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Speaker 2: has been some random congressman from Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: So I was very annoyed by it. I'm curious what

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Speaker 3: you well.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so first of all, the second I saw.

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Speaker 1: That ad, Yeah, I said to Kyle, like, the family's

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Speaker 1: going to be furious. Yes, they're going to be furious because,

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Speaker 1: I mean that ad is for political nerds, It's an

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Speaker 1: iconic ad. I mean knows is this nostalgia throwback? And

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Speaker 1: then for him to be superimposed on the ad and

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Speaker 1: really be claiming like I am the legacy, I am

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Speaker 1: the heir apparent, I am the Kennedy brand.

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Speaker 4: I knew they were going to be pissed off.

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Speaker 1: And it's not the first time that the family has

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Speaker 1: put out statements condemning him, condemning his positions, saying we

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Speaker 1: absolutely do.

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Speaker 4: Not support him. We one hundred percent are behind Joe Biden,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's their right too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they can do like they you know, I understand

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Speaker 1: their upset of like this direction for the Kennedy brand

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Speaker 1: is not at all what we want, what we see,

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Speaker 1: what we identify with, and so I don't It doesn't

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Speaker 1: like upset me that they put on statements, but it

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Speaker 1: does get to this.

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Speaker 4: A couple of things.

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Speaker 1: So, first of all, I think this comes out in

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Speaker 1: our focus group. It is really clear that he would

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Speaker 1: not be where he is politically if his name was

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Speaker 1: not rfk Jing or the Kennedy name. The Kennedy name

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Speaker 1: is a huge part of his appeal. That's why back

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Speaker 1: when he was in the Democratic primary, the moment he

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Speaker 1: jumped in, you know, all of a sudden, he's at

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Speaker 1: twenty percent or so in the polls, just because of

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Speaker 1: that nostalgia of that association. And there's an irony to it,

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Speaker 1: because you know, this is a country that you know

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Speaker 1: famously threw off a king right doesn't like supposedly political dynasties,

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Speaker 1: and yet on the other hand, they're clearly is deep

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Speaker 1: affinity and association for certain political dynasties. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we've had the Clintons for better and mostly worse, are

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Speaker 1: sort of political dynasty, the Bushes for a long time

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Speaker 1: political dynasty. We sort of have pushed those big brand

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Speaker 1: names back into the past. And yet here you have

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Speaker 1: people who are reaching for an alternative, who are just like,

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Speaker 1: let's go back even further to this longer term American

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Speaker 1: political dynasty, which is the closest thing we've had to

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Speaker 1: like political royalty in this country is the Kennedy family,

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Speaker 1: So there is a lot going on here. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I knew instantly when I saw the ad that his

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Speaker 1: family is going to be really pissed. And it is funny. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he should have apologized because it is

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Speaker 1: one of the things that the Folks Group participants told

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Speaker 1: us is they love his authenticity, the sense that he

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Speaker 1: just like says what he thinks. And this is not

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Speaker 1: a big thing, but it is sort of indicative. You

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Speaker 1: can't be like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. This

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Speaker 1: ad was like really hurtful, and I apologize for it,

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Speaker 1: but then also be like, and I'm pinning that ad

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Speaker 1: a's the top of my Twitter profile because I love

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Speaker 1: it and I want everybody to see it. Like just say, listen,

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Speaker 1: you can disagree with me.

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Speaker 4: It's fine. You don't have to embrace my campaign. I

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Speaker 4: get it.

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Speaker 1: You have your own views, but you know, this is

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Speaker 1: what I believe is best for the country, rather than

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Speaker 1: doing this kind of two faced thing which lands very poorly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you should have apologized period.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, he does not know none of these

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Speaker 2: people have monopolies JFK's grandson. Yet you think anybody would

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Speaker 2: care about freaking Jack Sloshburg if he wasn't JFK's grandson.

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Speaker 3: He's my age. He doesn't even have a real job.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like all of these Caroline Kennedy are great ambassador

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Speaker 2: to Japan, It's like, oh, yeah, you're totally a great

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Speaker 2: or was an ambassador Japan. It's like, you definitely would

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Speaker 2: have gotten that diplomatic post if it wasn't for your

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Speaker 2: last name. And look, it's not just her wealth Chelsea Clinton. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ted Kennedy and how many of his screw up relatives.

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Speaker 2: You know, if we all had to endure in American

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Speaker 2: politics in the last couple of days or in the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years. I just think it's one of

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Speaker 2: those where you guys are all doing it. Don't complain,

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Speaker 2: nobody has a monopo on this. But to go back

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Speaker 2: to the important point, which is what we were originally

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Speaker 2: talking about with the DNC, is this ad and the superpack.

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Speaker 3: And more they really realize.

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Speaker 2: How much trouble they're in. Let's put this up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen. The DNC has now filed an official

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Speaker 2: complaint alleging that the RFK Junior super Pac is working

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Speaker 2: too closely with the campaign. They say that it is

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Speaker 2: a quote ballot access scheme and argues that it constitutes

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Speaker 2: illegal coordination with the super pac supporting the independent bid

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Speaker 2: for the White House. The committee is alleging that the

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Speaker 2: American Values twenty twenty four, while working to collect signatures

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Speaker 2: to ensure he's on the ballot, will have to quote

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Speaker 2: integrate their expenses with the campaign in ways that violate

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Speaker 2: federal election rules in order to do so. Christal, you've

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Speaker 2: had more experience in the political realm, can you explain

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Speaker 2: this so called firewall between super packs and campaigns, because

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Speaker 2: I honestly still don't fully.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's very simple. You just can't coordinate.

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Speaker 1: You cannot coordinate, and so there are legal argument here

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Speaker 1: is basically like, because the super pack is doing all

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Speaker 1: this work to try to get him on the ballot,

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Speaker 1: and it's actually the candidate who has to submit the signatures,

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Speaker 1: that inevitably they're going to have to coordinate at some point.

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Speaker 1: As a legal argument, I have no idea whether it

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Speaker 1: has merit as a philosophical argument. This is total, incomplete bullshit,

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Speaker 1: and it's obvious what's going on here. They do not

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Speaker 1: want him on the ballot. They don't want people to

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Speaker 1: have that choice. They want to force a choice that

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Speaker 1: is only between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, because they

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Speaker 1: know in another contest where people have other options, they

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Speaker 1: are completely screwed.

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Speaker 4: Their only hope is.

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Speaker 1: To try to keep the quote unquote anti Trump coalition

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Speaker 1: together that got Joe Biden barely over the finish line

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Speaker 1: last time.

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Speaker 4: And if you have any.

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Speaker 1: Divergence from that whatsoever, whether it's from RFK Junior, Cornell

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Speaker 1: West or Jill Stein or anybody else, they are completely screwed.

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Speaker 1: The polls have showed at this point. You know, the

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Speaker 1: original theory, which I was always a little skeptical of.

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Speaker 1: You can go back and watch the coverage at the time.

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Speaker 1: The original theory was that, but oh May rf K

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Speaker 1: Junior is probably going to take more from Trump.

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Speaker 4: He's going to appeal to more Trump voters because a

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Speaker 4: lot of the positions that.

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Speaker 1: He leaned into were more right wing coded, including his

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Speaker 1: position with regard to Ukraine. The polling is not born

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Speaker 1: that out, and it's partly because you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of dissatisfied former Democratic voters. It's partly because Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's support is incredibly soft. People, even his supporters are

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Speaker 1: not particularly enthusiastic about him, and so at best RFK

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Speaker 1: Junior seems to take equally from both candidates, and plenty

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Speaker 1: of polls have shown the opposite, that he actually seems

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Speaker 1: to take more from Joe Biden. So they are launching

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Speaker 1: an all out war on democracy. Let's be honest to

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Speaker 1: try to keep RFK Junior from even appearing as a

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Speaker 1: choice on the ballot. Now, we when we interviewed r

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Speaker 1: K Junior last time, we asked him, you asked him

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Speaker 1: very directly, are you going to be on the ballot?

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Speaker 1: He said, one hundred percent, I'm going to be on

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Speaker 1: all fifty states. I honestly don't know how you can promise.

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Speaker 1: You can't promise that at this point. That's not his fault. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the fault of both of the parties collaborating effectively

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Speaker 1: in every state in the country post ross pure to

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Speaker 1: make it as difficult as possible for an independent party

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Speaker 1: candidate to gain ballot access. It is wildly unfair, it

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Speaker 1: is wildly anti democratic. Again, it's not r f K

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Speaker 1: Junior's fault, but there are no guarantees that he is

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Speaker 1: going to actually be on the ballot in any of

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Speaker 1: these states. And it's entirely possible that lawsuits like this,

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Speaker 1: and this i'm sure is the first of what will

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Speaker 1: be many lawsuits against him in all of these various states,

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Speaker 1: and some of them are very likely to succeed because

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Speaker 1: a lot of the judges adjudicating them and a lot

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Speaker 1: of the law itself was written in a very partisan manner.

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Speaker 1: So in that way, that is in some ways the

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Speaker 1: biggest obstacle to him. Now he has the other challenges. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of partisan sentiment in the country. There

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people who just are diehard Democrats,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who just are diehard Trump supporters.

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Speaker 4: But I do think that there is.

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Speaker 1: A large sentiment also in favor of an alternative. The

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Speaker 1: question is whether or not there will be any alternatives

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Speaker 1: for Americans that even appear on the ballot, and I

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Speaker 1: think that.

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Speaker 4: Is the biggest challenge.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, and I do want to always

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Speaker 1: make this clear. You know, even this group of focus

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Speaker 1: group voters who are with RFK and want to support him,

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Speaker 1: even them when they were really pushed on Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: if it's very clear he's not going to win. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you either have Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: You know, are you one hundred percent going to vote

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Speaker 1: for RFK? And even some of them were not one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent clear. We see this a lot of the

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Speaker 1: times with third party cannonates that people are excited about it,

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Speaker 1: but when it comes down to and it's like, but

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Speaker 1: I don't really think they're gonna be able to win

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Speaker 1: the day. So really I'm kind of throwing my vote

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Speaker 1: away if I don't vote for one of the two parties.

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes there's support ebbs when it comes down to and

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Speaker 1: even Ross Perol. Let's remember you didn't win a single

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Speaker 1: electoral college vote, so the system is really rigged and

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Speaker 1: stacked against you. And part of that rigging is what

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Speaker 1: we're seeing here from the DNC. We're going to tie

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Speaker 1: you up with legal challenges in every way you possibly can.

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Speaker 1: We're going to make sure that instead of you know,

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Speaker 1: focusing one hundred percent on campaigning, how to focus on

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Speaker 1: ballid access, you're having to fight these challenges in court.

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Speaker 1: And so even though you guys know I'm not an

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Speaker 1: rfkjunior fan, you know I've got a lot of issues

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Speaker 1: with him, Israel being one of those issues. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I have that same issue with Joe Biden and Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: but look up at that aside. But even though I'm

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Speaker 1: not a fan, like I am a fan of democracy,

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Speaker 1: I believe people should have choices.

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Speaker 4: And this is complete and utter bullshit from the dumcrat.

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Speaker 3: It's complete beer exactly right. I mean, it's just like

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Speaker 3: a project.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm on RFK Junior's website where they're

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Speaker 2: talking specifically about ballid access. The number of signatures that

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Speaker 2: you need in some of these states is just completely insane.

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Speaker 2: Like in California you need some twenty two thousand, five hundred.

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Speaker 2: They say here that thirty nine states require ten thousand

679
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Speaker 2: or fewer, but tech California and Florida and Texas require more.

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Speaker 3: Than one hundred thousand signatures.

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Speaker 2: And again it's if it was just a matter of

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Speaker 2: just getting normal people to just sign it would be fine.

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Speaker 2: But there comes down to like legibility, and they can

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Speaker 2: challenge the validity if you can't read it properly.

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Speaker 3: There's like address verification.

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Speaker 2: These are all dirty tricks that people have been using

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Speaker 2: in politics now for decades, not only to just keep

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Speaker 2: opponents off, but specifically third party ballots. So, as you said,

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Speaker 2: the more that he appears to be a threat, but

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Speaker 2: even the more that they are going to go after

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Speaker 2: him for ballot access and they are going to legally

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Speaker 2: try and make his life a nightmare. The key victory

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Speaker 2: for him will be if he can get on in

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Speaker 2: the swing states and in the big ones California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: But that in and of itself, as I just laid out,

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Speaker 2: is such an immense project.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna cost millions of dollars. So it's what Also

698
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Speaker 3: what the DNC doesn't use super packs.

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Speaker 2: They've got you know, they can have just as many

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Speaker 2: as the Republic. They've got a billion dollars in funding

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Speaker 2: on their side. Like the things they're slinging here is

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Speaker 2: just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: They make it also so that if you are one

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Speaker 1: of the candidates for one of the two major parties,

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Speaker 1: obviously you're wait flier to get on the ballot. And

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Speaker 1: I think it was Calvern I looked this up a

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Speaker 1: while ago. I think it was California that was like,

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Speaker 1: not only did you have to get this massive number

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Speaker 1: of signatures, but you had like this very limited.

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Speaker 4: Timeframe or to obtain them.

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Speaker 1: I know Bobby has been looking at potentially running a

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Speaker 1: Libertarian Party ticket to try to get BALLID access or

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Speaker 1: even he's He and Cornell West have both talked about

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Speaker 1: forming their own parties because in some states that makes

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Speaker 1: it easier to obtain BALLID access. But it is an

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Speaker 1: insane threshold that has been set here and insane obstacles

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Speaker 1: just to the basic functionings of democracy. It really is

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Speaker 1: truly outrageous. And I don't care what you think of

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior. Like I said, I have my own thoughts

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Speaker 1: about him. You should support democracy, You should support the

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Speaker 1: right of people in this country to have actual, real choices.

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Speaker 3: Totally.

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Speaker 2: I could not agree more. Let's move on to the

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Speaker 2: next part here. Just some funny continuing fallout from Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden the Special Council that concluded he is too old,

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Speaker 2: infirm and not does not have enough mental acuity to

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Speaker 2: stand trial. Official position of the Department of Justice. Well,

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Speaker 2: who's the number two, Kamala Harris, And they're trotting her out,

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Speaker 2: you know, trying to make it so that she very

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Speaker 2: much could be presented as an alternative figure should you

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Speaker 2: be uncomfortable voting for Biden, you can be rest solid

732
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Speaker 2: that she is there right behind him. Let's put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. So the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 2: did an interview. Interestingly, this actually was two days before

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Speaker 2: the actual Special Council report on board Air Force two,

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Speaker 2: in which she says, quote, I am ready to serve.

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Speaker 3: There's no question about that.

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Speaker 2: Everyone who sees her on the job, Harris says, has

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Speaker 2: walked away fully aware of my capacity to lead. So,

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Speaker 2: according to her, everyone that has seen her on the

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Speaker 2: job has walked away with a full awareness of her

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Speaker 2: capacity to lead. Throughout much of this really what comes

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Speaker 2: across Crystal. I think both with the headline of this,

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Speaker 2: the interview, and even the questions that were being presented

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Speaker 2: to her, it's obvious that for a lot of people

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Speaker 2: they're very understanding. Even now the press, which really was

747
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Speaker 2: tight lipped up until the point of the Special Council report,

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Speaker 2: they're like, we need to seriously prepare ourselves to the

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Speaker 2: fact that if this man wins reelection, he's gonna die.

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Speaker 3: He's going to die in office, very very possible.

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Speaker 2: You can go Whi's my monologue in the past about

752
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Speaker 2: life actuarial tables and how the odds are and they're

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Speaker 2: not good for him making it all the way to

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Speaker 2: the end. But what comes across to me is the

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Speaker 2: impossible position that the Biden Harris ticket is quote unquote

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Speaker 2: because for all of the approval rating problems of Biden,

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Speaker 2: he's in Jimmy Carter territory thirty nine percent, all of that,

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Speaker 2: hers is worse.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like she has a worse approval rating than he does,

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Speaker 2: and we barely see her, and it's because anytime that

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Speaker 2: we do, she just makes the most. She has the

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Speaker 2: most bizarre, you know affect. She's always, as Marshall has

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Speaker 2: said at our live shows, reaching for an Aaron sorkinescaring

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Speaker 2: and it comes out garbled. I mean, to me, she

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Speaker 2: is like the absolute worst of the opportunists, the empty shell.

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Speaker 2: And I mean we've seen also the ego maniac that

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Speaker 2: she is as well, with the massive level of staff

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Speaker 2: turnover under her and the clashes with the White House

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Speaker 2: and the West Wing which disdain her ability to quote

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Speaker 2: unquote lead as well. And apparently, according to this article,

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Speaker 2: she did refuse on Sunday to actually go on the

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Speaker 2: shows to defend Joe Biden or at least, you know,

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Speaker 2: she said she had a scheduling conflict or something, which

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Speaker 2: I find incredibly extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: I'm not what you think, Well, what you thought of

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Speaker 1: what they said is that the Biden people had asked

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Speaker 1: her to go on the Sunday shows to defend him,

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Speaker 1: and instead she was so anxious to go out and

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Speaker 1: defend him right away that she decided to give comments

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Speaker 1: that day or the next day.

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Speaker 3: I can remember, after both.

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Speaker 1: After one of her events, Yeah, yessah, is the question.

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Speaker 3: You're so busy on Sunday? What are you freaking doing

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Speaker 3: on Sunday?

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Speaker 1: The other thing with Kamala Harris, though, is that, and

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Speaker 1: this goes back to her days as a senator. She

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Speaker 1: has always been very camera shy and very uncomfortable in interviews.

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Speaker 1: You know, she doesn't like to have things coming at

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Speaker 1: her that she's not prepared for. She doesn't do particularly

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Speaker 1: well in those settings. You will call that lesser whole

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Speaker 1: interview that she did early on with regard to the border,

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Speaker 1: you know where he was pros. They're like, why haven't

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Speaker 1: you gone down there? And she was like, well, there

795
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Speaker 1: are a lot of places. I can't remember what she said, like, well,

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Speaker 1: I was in Europe or something like that.

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Speaker 3: It was like, I went to the border. I was

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Speaker 3: at the border. I was in Europe, and I was like, wait,

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Speaker 3: what which border.

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Speaker 4: She I mean? You know, she doesn't say.

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Speaker 1: She just laughs when she's uncomfortable too, which is very

802
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Speaker 1: off putting. So I think part of the potentially avoidance

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Speaker 1: of the Sunday Shows wasn't so much that she didn't

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Speaker 1: want to defend Joe Biden, because her ticket to relevance

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00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: it runs directly through Joe Biden, and the only reason

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Speaker 1: that she is vice president.

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Speaker 4: Obviously is because he decided he.

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Speaker 1: Made this commitment to James Clyburn and whatever, and so

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Speaker 1: she ends up in there.

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Speaker 4: The only way that she'll ever become.

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Speaker 1: President of the United States is potentially through him dying

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Speaker 1: in office or just being propped up again by the

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Speaker 1: political establishment and the powers that be. So I think she,

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Speaker 1: you know, she's very determined to support him however she can.

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Speaker 1: So my read of the Sunday Show avoidance was more

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Speaker 1: her own discomfort in front of the cameras and fear

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Speaker 1: of making her own mistakes as it was about any

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Speaker 1: sort of rift with her and the president. But just

819
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Speaker 1: to back up what you're saying about her delivery. It's

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Speaker 1: not just even the things she says that are so

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Speaker 1: head scratching, like you read the transcript and you're like what, but.

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Speaker 4: Also the way she delivers things is so strange.

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Speaker 1: And for some reason, I don't even know why, this

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Speaker 1: old clip of her at some like swearing in ceremony

825
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Speaker 1: just went viral on left Twitter because of how strange

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Speaker 1: and bizarre her delivery of this line is. Just so

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Speaker 1: you guys know what we're talking about. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to that.

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Speaker 13: You think you just fell out of a coconut tree.

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Speaker 13: You exist in the context of all in which you

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Speaker 13: live and what came before you.

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Speaker 4: Now what's right?

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Speaker 3: Okay, what's the context here?

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Speaker 12: Okay?

835
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Speaker 3: So what is so?

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Speaker 1: Actually, people I'm back about she's actually quoting her mother,

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Speaker 1: and her mom and dad were both like Marxists basically,

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Speaker 1: and so people were, you know, reading into this. This

839
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Speaker 1: is some like accidental Marxism that she's sort of imbibed,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's part of why it went viral

841
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Speaker 1: on left Twitter. But then the other reason is because

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00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: again the delivery is just so strange and like her

843
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: mannerisms and why are you saying that set this swearing

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Speaker 1: in ceremony for I think some people in the Education

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Speaker 1: department or something like that, this is just like run

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Speaker 1: of the mill, you know, bureaucracy swearing in ceremony situations.

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Speaker 1: So I got to tell you, though, Sagar, the more

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Speaker 1: that I see Joe Biden, the more ready for Kamala

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Speaker 1: I am. I you know how I feel about this

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Speaker 1: woman and all that I've said about her, And I

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Speaker 1: would take Kamala Harris over Joe Biden at this point

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Speaker 1: between his age and between his support for Israel, which

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Speaker 1: is like totally totally in, unmovable, unshakable, locked in in

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Speaker 1: like nineteen seventy three. Yes, Kamala Harris like moves with

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Speaker 1: the winds. The winds are blowing against what Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is doing right now, and that he will not move

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Speaker 1: because his brain is stuck in like I said, like

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. So listen, I'm not saying it's great.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying the bar is on the fricking floor. And

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Speaker 1: if I had a choice between Joe Biden and Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris at this point, it's not even questioned my mind.

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00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: I would take Kamala Harris all day long at least

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Speaker 1: her synapses are firing in some direction, at least when

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Speaker 1: I'm watching her, I'm like, what is she saying? But

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Speaker 1: I'm not like, is she even going to be able

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Speaker 1: to complete this sentence or find this word that she's

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Speaker 1: searching for?

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Speaker 4: So that's where I am at this point.

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Speaker 3: I just can't get there.

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Speaker 4: So you would take Biden over Kamala.

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Speaker 3: I don't know I would. I'd rather shoot myself in

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Speaker 3: the head, like this is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: But these are the choices we have on the table.

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Speaker 2: It's like, to me, Crystal, I genuinely believe she would

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Speaker 2: be the worst president since Andrew Johnson. And you can

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Speaker 2: call me hyperbolic if you want. I think she's a

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Speaker 2: race huckster. I think she is a opportunist. I think

878
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: she is one of those people who wear the wind

879
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: blows as you say, look, maybe go in the right

880
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: direction on Israel, look at the way that it's blowing

881
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: within the blob on Ukraine.

882
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: Should this lady will end up with us?

883
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: That's exactly what Joe Biden. It's not like it's different.

884
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Speaker 3: It's an impossible choice.

885
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: I just feel it.

886
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Speaker 1: So with regard to Israel, there is at least a chance,

887
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Speaker 1: and the leaks behind the scenes or that she has been,

888
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, uncomfortable with some of the direction of the

889
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: Biden administration, and just by dint of her being younger,

890
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: there is at least a chance she would be marginally

891
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: better there. So, and like I said, at least the

892
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: brain is somewhat functional, even though it functions in a

893
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: very bizarre way at many times. This is so I'm

894
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: not saying it's great, but yes, I would take Kama

895
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: Harris over Joe Biden.

896
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: That's a recency thing because right now Israel is quote

897
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: unquote the most important thing. But like, you don't know,

898
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if she if the whole George Floyd

899
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: thing happened while she was president, we'd have freaking Ibrahim

900
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Speaker 2: Kenny in the Department of Anti Racism under this lady.

901
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: For me, it's just too existent. I don't know.

902
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 14: Though.

903
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Speaker 3: At the same time, with Biden, like I think he's

904
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: gonna die, I was.

905
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Speaker 1: Like locking up, yeah, rest, yeah, you should love her

906
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: for that.

907
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: I do love her for that. But then she turned

908
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 3: her to she was a little girl.

909
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Speaker 1: But parents in prison for like their kids being true.

910
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: So the idea that she's going to put EBERMX Kennedy

911
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: in some anti racism department.

912
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: That's the problems.

913
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: She was hard on crime whenever it was good politically

914
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: advantage then she was like pro defund the police whenever

915
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Speaker 2: that was politically advantageous.

916
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: She saying she support of the police doesn't exist.

917
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: I can go deep and show you even more how

918
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: like at her personal level, how much she desires attention,

919
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: if people want to go back and look at some

920
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: of her early career, which was allegedly called sexist and

921
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: all that at the time. To me, she's just an

922
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: empty shell. Look, this is the problem. Like you're saying,

923
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: you're putting me in an impossible position.

924
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: Like I don't know. I honestly don't know.

925
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: Any other day, I could argue both sides on Biden

926
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: on Israel, yeah, he probably seems to be more pro Israel.

927
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: On Ukraine, he probably, I mean think has been very

928
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: pro Ukraine. But the thing is with Biden is every

929
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: once in a while when he's hopped up on the

930
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: right stuff, you can see flashes of some of his

931
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: caution everyone you know that we've seen in the past.

932
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: He refused to give him f sixteens or whatever. But

933
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Speaker 2: then Neill eventually okay with Kamala. I think she would

934
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Speaker 2: just I think she would have gotten us into a

935
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Speaker 2: no fly zone nuclear conflict in the early days. I

936
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: don't trust her judgment at all. And that's really what

937
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: it comes down to.

938
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Speaker 3: I don't think you could. It's a horrific opportunists.

939
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Speaker 1: I don't think you could have had a worse Ukraine

940
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Speaker 1: policy than what we have. I think we have the

941
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Speaker 1: worst of all worlds Ukraine policy where on the one hand,

942
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: we're like, no, we want you to fight this war.

943
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Speaker 1: We're going to blow up this potential negotiated piece. On

944
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Speaker 1: the other hand, we are going to like, you know,

945
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: slow drip the military aid to you, so you have

946
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: no prayer of actually winning and you're gonna like just

947
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Speaker 1: destroy entire multiple generations of Ukrainian men on a hope

948
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Speaker 1: and a prayer that we're actually going to be Like,

949
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't think you could do the Ukrainian policy worse.

950
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 4: So listen, it's horrible.

951
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: The one I'll put I'll put one point in the

952
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Speaker 1: favor of Joe Biden. I don't think Kamla would have

953
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: gone out of Afghanistan.

954
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: Yes, no, there's no.

955
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: I don't think she would have done.

956
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: And that was where you know, his sort of like

957
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Speaker 1: hardened old man ossified views worked out out. But weighing

958
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: that against you know, just consistently supporting a genocide in

959
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: Israel indefinitely to the end of time, I got a

960
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: side with Gomala at this point.

961
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't know Christal. I just I think that she

962
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: would rip this country apart if.

963
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Speaker 2: There was any sort of genuine like domestic crisis. I

964
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: cannot imagine her at the helm. I just again, I

965
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: think you would just gribe her.

966
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: More like courage to actually do something provocative that.

967
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: It would be worse. It wouldn't even be provocative.

968
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: It would just be like rhetorical without backup by action.

969
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: There's no ability to unite. She has no confidence. I mean,

970
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: look like I said, I think it's Johnson level. That's

971
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: how bad that I think it would be.

972
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: But you know, we got through Johnson's Where are we

973
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: with Joe Biden?

974
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: No Grant got us out at the end of the

975
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: day from Johnson, So what do I know. John Stewart

976
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 2: made his big debut last night, I guess return debut,

977
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 2: and he did it very much. In John Stewart Fashion

978
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: Indecision twenty twenty fourths, but a long.

979
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: Time since we've heard words like that.

980
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: But he also did it with a scathing look at

981
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: both Joe Biden and Donald Trump, the subject of age,

982
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: going after the media in their treatment, and the surrogates

983
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: that support both of these individuals.

984
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to.

985
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 15: Say, Welcome to the Daily Show, my Joe Stuart.

986
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 3: Now where was I These two candidates.

987
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 15: They are both similarly challenged, and it is not crazy

988
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 15: to think that the oldest people in the history of

989
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 15: the country to ever run for president might have some

990
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 15: of these challenges. Now, Democrats will say that any criticism

991
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 15: like this, especially if Biden, is unfair because you just

992
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 15: don't know Biden like they know Biden.

993
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 13: I was in almost every meeting with the president, and

994
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 13: the President was in front of and on top of

995
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 13: it all coordinating and directing leaders who are in charge

996
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 13: of America's national security not to mention our allies around

997
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 13: the globe.

998
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 12: Did anyone film that.

999
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be cruel.

1000
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 12: I didn't want to. I don't want to have to

1001
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 12: do this on my first day. Come over here, look

1002
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 12: at me. Look what time hath wrought.

1003
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 15: The response in Gaza has been over the top. You know,

1004
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 15: I like how Biden describes Israel's incessant bombing of civilians

1005
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 15: the same way my mother talks about the Super.

1006
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 12: Bowl halftime show.

1007
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: It was a little much. Did they need to.

1008
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: Be unrolling skins?

1009
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: Whatever happened?

1010
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 15: In music, you sing the song and people be love it, but.

1011
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 3: With the abs and the dwirling.

1012
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: All right, So we added a little bit of Israel

1013
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: commentary though, Look best John at his best, you know,

1014
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: at his best, he's somebody who's able to skewer like

1015
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: and you know, it's interesting Crystal. Already this morning, I'm

1016
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: seeing Keith Olberman and some others attack him quote unquote

1017
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: both siding the issue.

1018
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 3: It's like, it's not a both sides issue.

1019
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: He made a great point also in his monologue, if

1020
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: you watch the full thing, He's like, the only record

1021
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: for the two oldest candidates before this are the ones

1022
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: that they set before in the previous selection.

1023
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: Right, He's like, we've got no.

1024
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: More age milestones to break here, fellows, like we broke

1025
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: the gray ceiling or whatever it is that's.

1026
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: There at the top. So anyway, I thought he did

1027
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 3: a great job.

1028
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: But he'll only be with us once a week, once

1029
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: a week, so I'm not sure who's going to be

1030
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: in the rest of the rotating cast.

1031
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1032
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he's instantly made the Daily Show ir relevant again.

1033
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 4: That's been irrelevant for quite.

1034
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Some time now, and he's back and form. His timing

1035
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: is fantastic. I thought he had some great lines there.

1036
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great first downing, big week

1037
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: for millennials between John Stewart's return halftime show. So I'm

1038
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: pretty excited about all of those things. And I do

1039
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: think also, you know, a couple other things to say

1040
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: about it. The fact that he worked intentionally, very intentionally

1041
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: worked Israel and what he describes as their incessant bombing

1042
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: of civilians, and critiques Joe Biden's incredibly meek, sanitized language

1043
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: about it being over the top, and the way that

1044
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: the media was like, oh my.

1045
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 4: Gosh, I can't believe he said that. That's such as

1046
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 4: shift and tone, et cetera, et cetera.

1047
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: The fact that he works that in I think also

1048
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: shows his continued courage and principle that he's not going

1049
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: to be afraid to go places that are uncomfortable. Because

1050
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: even though that seems like an incredibly obvious statement to make,

1051
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: it's the sort of thing that can get you even

1052
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: the fact that you know he's Jewish can still get

1053
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: you branded as antisemitic or self loathing or whatever. So

1054
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I was glad to see that he made sure to

1055
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: include that commentary in his comments. The other thing that

1056
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: is worth noting is apparently the break with Apple was

1057
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: over censorship, and you know, that was something that we

1058
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: had predicted early on. We had said from the launch

1059
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: of that show, which I do think had some you know,

1060
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: had some great moments and some trench commentary, etc. That

1061
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: was worth checking in with. But you know, it was like,

1062
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: why don't you just do this on your own? Then

1063
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: you don't have anyone looking over your shoulder. And Apple

1064
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: obviously has all kinds of conflicts of interest and are

1065
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: inevitably going to assert, you know, put pressure on you

1066
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: where those conflicts of interest come into play, because they

1067
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: have much bigger fish to fry than the success of

1068
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: your one show on their platform. So that rubber eventually

1069
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: hit the road, And good for him for saying, no,

1070
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: screw you, I'm not doing it.

1071
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: I'm not putting up with the censorship.

1072
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm at a point in my life where

1073
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't have to, and I don't want to, And

1074
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 1: so I'm going to go back to the Daily Show

1075
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: and offer my commentary there at least once a week,

1076
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: and hopefully he doesn't get face any sort of similar

1077
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: censorship concerns from the folks at Comedy Central.

1078
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

1079
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: I mean, so if people don't remember he had top

1080
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: disagreements with them for wanting to do episodes on China

1081
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: Ai and then the upcoming twenty twenty four election. Obviously,

1082
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: for Apple it's like, yeah, they manufacture all their stuff

1083
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: in Shanghai and chin Jin and Guangzhou, like they can't

1084
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: be having they can't be having delays over here because

1085
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: of the subsidized Apple TV product, which barely was working

1086
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 2: and bringing them any money. It's like a lost leader

1087
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: for them. So it didn't make any sense for Comedy Central.

1088
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 2: I hope it works out. I'm curious just to see

1089
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: whether he'll have the staying power. I mean, I think

1090
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: he probably will because he's so famous.

1091
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: If he keeps this up.

1092
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: You know, kind of going in areas where if he

1093
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Speaker 2: keeps it up in terms of going in areas which

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Speaker 2: most of the mainstream media is not going to touch,

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Speaker 2: then he's going to find the same second life that

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Speaker 2: he was already beginning to have in twenty fifteen and

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Speaker 2: more on the internet.

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Speaker 3: Because that was another big thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if people remember Comedy Central clips and

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Speaker 2: the Daily Show was incredibly hard to find back in

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Speaker 2: the day.

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Speaker 3: They were very restrictive in terms of their streaming service.

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Speaker 2: But this one they tweeted it out, they put it

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Speaker 2: out on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping they.

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Speaker 2: Don't try and copyright like this video for example. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's a smart play because in the modern aids,

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Speaker 2: that stuff really does not work with trying to keep

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Speaker 2: you know, trying to keep people from being able to

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Speaker 2: see anything except in a certain place. It really is

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Speaker 2: you have to kind of have to be everywhere, and

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Speaker 2: this is, you know, as you said, this is the

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Speaker 2: first time I felt like The Daily Shows relevant since

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Speaker 2: he left and Trevor knowing all that the only time

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Speaker 2: I've paid attention when Trevor no Will left and that

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Speaker 2: was it, or.

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Speaker 1: When he did something that was like particularly cringe and

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Speaker 1: embarrassing for himself. I'm just looking on YouTube right now

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Speaker 1: that opening that we played you a bit of. They

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Speaker 1: titled it on YouTube. John Stewart tackles the Biden Trump

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Speaker 1: rematch that nobody wants. True, it has one point four

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Speaker 1: million views and ten hours, so that's.

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Speaker 3: Quite a bit real numbers, like two point five million.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because just so you guys have, the front end

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Speaker 1: always lags what you can see on the back end.

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Speaker 1: So clearly that is getting a lot of traction. And

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if the clips on Twitter are

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Speaker 1: even more viral. So it's obviously a very different game

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Speaker 1: from when he left, with the pre eminence of social

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Speaker 1: media in a YouTube and these alternative platforms, and so

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Speaker 1: as long as they're leaning into that and unafraid of

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Speaker 1: people sharing the content, of putting the clips up on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: of not copywriting people like us who want to play

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Speaker 1: a bit of it and give people a taste of it,

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Speaker 1: I think it will be successful.

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Speaker 4: I think it'll be relevant.

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be you know, another important voice to

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Speaker 1: have that frankly has been really sorely missing. Because the

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Speaker 1: thing with John Stewart is like, yes, obviously he's like

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Speaker 1: liberal these his politics are pretty standard issue liberal honestly,

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Speaker 1: but he's also not afraid, as is evidenced in this clip,

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Speaker 1: to go after the Democratic party, or to go after

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Speaker 1: CNN like he used to always that some of his

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Speaker 1: best work was the media commentary, just completely mocking CNN.

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00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: You know, while he was off of The Daily Show

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00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: when he remember when he went on with Colbert and

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Speaker 1: did his whole bit about the lably.

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Speaker 4: It was freaking hilarious. And that was at a time

1150
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 4: when it was still like, oh, you can't.

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00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: Really say this, You still can't really go there, and

1152
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: he went there and was completely unapologetic about it. And

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Speaker 1: so that type of fearlessness is, you know, something that

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00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: is welcome and always a good addition. And he's just

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00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: funny and has good timing and is good comedic writer

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Speaker 1: and has a good team around him.

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Speaker 4: So excited to see what he has for us in

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Speaker 4: the future.

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Speaker 1: Even I mean again, some of his politics are like

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00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: cringe lib stuff that we're.

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Speaker 3: Not going to go with Ukraine.

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00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: Things that John has done, they're questionable some stage time

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00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: that he's taken up with certain people and including some

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Speaker 2: people that he had on the show yesterday.

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Speaker 3: But you can't you're not always going to agree.

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Speaker 1: With at least it's not just like DNC brain worms

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Speaker 1: all day every day.

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Speaker 4: So I will take it all.

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Speaker 2: It's not Rachel Maddow saying, well, he can ride a

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Speaker 2: bike and that means that he's not too old to be.

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Speaker 3: John should play that one.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Johnson, John should actually run for president. I would

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Speaker 1: take definitely him over by yeah, I mean better than

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Speaker 1: the options we've got.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on.

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Speaker 2: We've got the update on the Supreme Court case. This

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Speaker 2: happened a couple of days ago. We wanted to pair

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Speaker 2: it with some of the more latest legal Trump developments.

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00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 2: There's been some major things happening, but the major headline

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00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: really from the last few days was the Supreme Court, Really,

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Speaker 2: how do you say this defense straighting defenestrating the Colorado

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00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: Secretary of State and their legal team who were trying

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Speaker 2: to block Donald Trump's name from the ballot.

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Speaker 3: We have a mash up here of.

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Speaker 2: Bipartisan justices really just skewering their defense of the law

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Speaker 2: for the interpretation that they tried.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they had to say.

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Speaker 16: I think the reason it's been dormant is because there's

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Speaker 16: been a settled understanding that Chief Justice Chase, even if

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Speaker 16: not right in every detail, was essentially right, and the

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Speaker 16: branches of the government have acted under that settled understanding.

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Speaker 16: For one hundred and fifty five years, and Congress can

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Speaker 16: change that. And Congress does have Section twenty three eighty three,

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Speaker 16: of course, the Insurrection Act criminal statute, but Congress could

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Speaker 16: change it, but they have not in one hundred and

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Speaker 16: fifty five years in relevant respects for what you want

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Speaker 16: here today, at least no Justice Kavanaugh.

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Speaker 17: The reason why it's been dormant is because by eighteen

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Speaker 17: seventy six, essentially all former Confederates had received amnesty, and

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Speaker 17: we haven't seen anything like an insurrection since then.

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Speaker 14: Would anything compel a lower official to obey an order

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Speaker 14: from in your view, the former president.

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Speaker 17: I'm imagining a situation where, for example, a former president

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Speaker 17: was you know, a president was elected and they were

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Speaker 17: twenty five and they were ineligible. No overtheless, they.

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Speaker 14: Were known about all we're talking about Sections three. Please

1207
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 14: don't change the hypothetical. Okay, I please don't change the hypothetical.

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Speaker 14: I know I like doing it too, but please don't

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Speaker 14: do it.

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Speaker 3: The point I'm trying to make is he's disqualified.

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Speaker 14: From the moment he committed an insurrection. Whoever it is,

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Speaker 14: whichever party that happens, boom it happened, What would compel

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Speaker 14: and I'm not going to say it again, so just

1214
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 14: try and answer the question. If you don't have an

1215
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 14: answer fair enough, we'll move on.

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Speaker 18: And I read your opening brief to accept that those

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00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 18: events counted as an insurrection, but then your reply seemed

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Speaker 18: to suggest that they were not.

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Speaker 3: So what is your positions that we.

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Speaker 19: Never accepted or conceded in our opening brief that this

1221
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 19: was an insurrection. What we said in our opening brief

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Speaker 19: was President Trump did not engage in any act that

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Speaker 19: can plausibly be characterized as insturrect.

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Speaker 3: Right, So why would that not be an incant? What

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Speaker 3: is your that it's not?

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Speaker 18: Your reply brief says that it wasn't because I think

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Speaker 18: you say it did not involve an organized attempt to

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Speaker 18: overthrow the government.

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Speaker 3: So that's one of many reasons.

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Speaker 19: But for an insurrection, there needs to be an organized,

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Speaker 19: concerted effort to overthrow the government of the United States

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Speaker 19: through violence.

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Speaker 18: And this sorry point is that a chaotic effort to

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Speaker 18: overthrow the government is not an insurrection.

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Speaker 19: But we didn't con see that it's an effort to

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Speaker 19: overthrow the government either. Justice Jackson, Right. None of these

1237
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 19: criteria were met. This was a riot. It was not

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Speaker 19: an insurrection.

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Speaker 2: So what we included there at the end was actually

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Speaker 2: Katanji Brown Jackson, who was speaking against the Trump people. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you know, listen, in terms of our legal analysis,

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Speaker 2: we're not lawyers and Supreme Court laws like a whole other.

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Speaker 2: One one of the comments I found most noteworthy was

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Speaker 2: from Neil Katyal.

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Speaker 3: I think you've done a monologue on him before, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: This is like a died in the role, like a

1247
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: you know, classic MSNBC Russia Gate type democrat. But he's

1248
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: one of those lots of corporate connections, et cetera. But

1249
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Speaker 2: MSNBC relies on him for legal analysis, which is fair

1250
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Speaker 2: because he's actually argued quite a few cases before the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: Here was on behalf of like really terrible process, but.

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Speaker 2: Here was his assessment of the Colorado case and their

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00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: defense before the court.

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Speaker 20: I've watched over four hundred Supreme Court arguments. I've done

1256
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 20: fifty myself. I would tell you this argument did not

1257
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 20: go well for the Trump challengers. And that's to put

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00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 20: it mildly. I probably have some other adjectives that I

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Speaker 20: won't say on air.

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Speaker 3: There you have.

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Speaker 2: It didn't go so well, and people are expecting either

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00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: it could be nine to zero or possibly eight to one,

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Speaker 2: depending on how Katanji, John Braxton or Sonya Sotomayo war

1264
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Speaker 2: end up ruling in this case.

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Speaker 3: Any reaction Crystal before we move on to the next

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Speaker 3: legal development.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not surprising whatsoever because it was an

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a sort of unprecedented situation, aggressive reading

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Speaker 1: of the Constitution. There were other states in the country

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Speaker 1: that went in the opposite direction of what Colorado did.

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Speaker 1: In the Supreme Court is fundamentally and I don't mean

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Speaker 1: this on like the typical political spectrum, but just as

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00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: like a descriptor, it's a fund only conservative body that

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Speaker 1: is loath and sort of cowardly but loath to really like,

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00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, insert themselves in the political process in this way. Now,

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00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, that's going to be sort

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00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: of unavoidable. As we're about to discuss, they are going

1278
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: to have to decide whether they're going to take up

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00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: an appeal from Trump with regards to whether he should

1280
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: have blanket immunity for basically anything that he did in

1281
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: the context of the presidency. They're to have to decide

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Speaker 1: whether to let the Appeals Court ruling on that stand

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00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: or take that up. They're going to be possibly a

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Speaker 1: number of other things that come before them. So they

1285
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: are going to be central to this election, whether they

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00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: want to or not. And obviously not going in the

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Speaker 1: direction of Colorado is also a decision and also consequential.

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Speaker 4: But this is not surprising. This is what everybody was

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Speaker 4: effectively predicting from them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just it was such a novel interpretation

1291
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: quote unquote, and it was just one of those where

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00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: it obviously jumped the gun too, especially because it was

1293
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: prior to a trial. But that gets us to the

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Speaker 2: real part, and this is where the Supreme Court case

1295
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: could be a lot more interesting and actually could very

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Speaker 2: much turn on Trump. Let's put this next one up

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Speaker 2: on the screen. Donald Trump actually asked the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: late last night to pause the ruling that was denying him, quote,

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00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: absolute immunity. So this is a little bit complicated, but basically,

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Speaker 2: there was a previous appeal in which the President said

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Speaker 2: that the election interference trial, which is currently trying to

1302
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: have a court date and all of that set One

1303
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: of the challenges that Trump in his team issued in

1304
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: the appeals court, the DC Court of Appeals, was that

1305
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: that was subsequently rejected was that the president has quote

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: absolute immunity from criminal prosecution from while he is president.

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Speaker 2: According to them, quote without immunity from criminal prosecution, the

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00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: presidency as we know it will cease to exist.

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Speaker 3: These were according to the Trump lawyers.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, this has been rejected now by two

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Speaker 2: subsequent appeals courts. Noteworthy though, that these appeals courts are

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Speaker 2: far more liberal.

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Speaker 3: I guess in terms of their appointments.

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Speaker 2: I'm not making a partisan judgment or even really a

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Speaker 2: frankly ad judgment on the case itself, but more so

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Speaker 2: just setting it up for what the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 2: now going to have to consider. He is now by

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Speaker 2: asking the Court to have this consideration, it will then

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Speaker 2: trigger the process on their part of whether they're going

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Speaker 2: to accept the case or not. If they don't accept

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Speaker 2: the case, and it will default crystal to the lower

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Speaker 2: Court of Appeals as opposed to having something that they

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Speaker 2: would rule on. And now whether they take it, as

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Speaker 2: I said, is up to It's up to the court

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Speaker 2: on which of the three justices Amy Coney, Barrett Neil Gorsich,

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Speaker 2: and Brett Kavanaugh as of how to whether they will

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Speaker 2: take the court they will take that case before them,

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Speaker 2: apparently just in terms of the way that the swing votes.

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Speaker 3: And all of that currently lie.

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Speaker 2: But it's one of those where I'm actually not really

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Speaker 2: outside of Kavanaugh and Alito, who I believe have more

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Speaker 2: of an interpretation on the executive power. This is even

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Speaker 2: the type of thing where Clarence Thomas, who there's a

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Speaker 2: major case going on right now by administrative law, he's

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Speaker 2: more libertarian than others.

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Speaker 3: I would not.

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Speaker 2: Expect them, at least according to the people I've spoken

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Speaker 2: to Fedsock others, that this would be a case that

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Speaker 2: Trump is going to win even if it did get

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Speaker 2: accepted by the court, and they may just punt and

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Speaker 2: not take it because that's probably the easiest political cos

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Speaker 2: for them as.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially because the appeals court ruling was quite clear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just like, that's not.

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Speaker 1: Quite aggressive, and even you know, it's the appeals court panel.

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Speaker 1: It was three judges, two Democratic appointees, one Republican appointee.

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Speaker 4: It was unanimous.

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Speaker 1: We played if you guys will recall a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the oral arguments where they were pretty scathing. They

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Speaker 1: were basically like, also the president could just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can direct the seal team six to murder his

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Speaker 1: political rival and then effectively, if he resigns before he's impeached,

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Speaker 1: he can just get away with that. They were highly

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Speaker 1: scathing and skeptical of this. Obviously they ruled against the

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Speaker 1: Trump team. I think this is one of these where

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Speaker 1: the Trump team didn't really expect to succeed, but this

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Speaker 1: is part of their stress strategy of drawing the sound

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Speaker 1: as much as possible, and so you know, the outcome

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Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court is uncertain. I think it's unlikely

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Speaker 1: to go in Trump's direction, but probably the bigger question

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Speaker 1: is just how long do they take to make a

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Speaker 1: decision here? The try for this case, this is kind

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Speaker 1: of the central one. This is the election subversion one

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Speaker 1: Jack Smith in DC. It's you know, the center of

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Speaker 1: like what happened in twenty twenty and stop the Steal

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Speaker 1: and all of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's this case.

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Speaker 1: So it's really the one that is most central to

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Speaker 1: the concerns that so many Americans have about Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and the discuss that they felt for what they watched

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Speaker 1: unfold on January sixth and also leading up to January sixth.

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Speaker 1: So in a lot of ways, this case is kind

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Speaker 1: of the main event whether or not it is the

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Speaker 1: most likely to succeed as a different question. So in

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Speaker 1: any case, this was originally scheduled to begin on March fourth,

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Speaker 1: So we were very close on the precipice of this

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Speaker 1: bad boy starting up and you know, really taking over

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Speaker 1: news coverage and being the center of our sort of

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Speaker 1: political universe, and at a very early date in which

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Speaker 1: you know, is very very likely that this would be

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Speaker 1: concluded even before you get to the RNC, that original

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Speaker 1: date has been taken off the schedule while this appeals

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Speaker 1: process plays out, and as Soccer was indicating a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different options. Number one, a Supreme Court could just say, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not the appeals court rolling stands, We're not taking

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Speaker 1: it up. You can proceed, and then that's that, and

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Speaker 1: you would think that the trial would then commence, probably

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Speaker 1: pretty shortly.

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Speaker 4: They could take it up.

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Speaker 1: In an expedited process so they consider the appeal, but

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Speaker 1: they do it in a more timely fashion, or they

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Speaker 1: could do it in their sort of like ordinary course

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Speaker 1: of what their normal schedule is, which of course is

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Speaker 1: what the Trump team is pushing for, in which case

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Speaker 1: you would not have this trial then starting till late

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Speaker 1: in the general election.

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Speaker 4: Process most likely.

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Speaker 1: So the stakes here in terms of whether Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: even decides to take up the appeal are pretty significant

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Speaker 1: separate and apart from what they ultimately end up deciding, which,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I think most legal observers feel like

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Speaker 1: this is not going.

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Speaker 4: To go in Donald Trump's direction.

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Speaker 1: It's more important for what the timing is and how

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Speaker 1: much he's able to delay before this trial actually begins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's all very well said.

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Speaker 2: And as we come back to it, just wanted to

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Speaker 2: continue to highlight for people that there are still more

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Speaker 2: cases that are not even at the Supreme Court level

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Speaker 2: which could be consequential for Trump to actually this week.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen, two cases,

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Speaker 2: two judges, as they highlight, we're facing a potential ruling

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Speaker 2: in that civil fraud case that we've talked about previously,

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Speaker 2: which costs Trump hundreds of millions of dollars, which, on

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Speaker 2: top of the aging Carrol verdict, could be very consequential

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Speaker 2: to him personally. And as we said, he could also

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Speaker 2: receive that court date on his actual trial. For the

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Speaker 2: first criminal trial of the former US president. This one

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Speaker 2: would go back to this one would go back to

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Speaker 2: some of the New York It is.

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Speaker 4: The storm of Daniel's money situation.

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Speaker 3: Alvin Bragg situation, which we have all laid out.

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Speaker 2: So I know it can be tedious to try and

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Speaker 2: go through the arguments and all this, but it's just

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Speaker 2: so consequential Cristal to the ability literally his ability to run.

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Speaker 2: Because let's say he is convicted, you know, on January sixth,

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Speaker 2: the elected that election interference trial, Well, we may have

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Speaker 2: to go through an entire three cycle of the Colorado

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Speaker 2: ballot access thing where we'd have a new interpretate whe

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Speaker 2: they're like, well, now he's been convicted of this, and

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Speaker 2: even though it's not technically an instruction, we may have

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Speaker 2: to have the appeals court PROCESCTY have a Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: that have to weigh in again and then say, whenever

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Speaker 2: it comes to his money, is literal ability to fund

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Speaker 2: his life and you know, his legal bills and whether

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Speaker 2: he'd have to ask his supporters, and then coming back

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Speaker 2: to the criminal prosecution in the state of New York

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Speaker 2: and what the actual impact of that would have for him,

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Speaker 2: not just for his business, his ability to appear on

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Speaker 2: the ballot in the future, not like he needs New Yorker.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not like he's going to win the

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Speaker 3: State of New Yorker anyway.

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Speaker 2: But the point is is that that then links back

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Speaker 2: to a little Georgia case, which we haven't even added

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Speaker 2: in here with all the developments of Fanning Willis, so

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Speaker 2: it's a huge mess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually there's a hearing in Georgia this week

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Speaker 1: presenting evidence to a judge about the romantic relationship that

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Speaker 1: Fanny Willis was having with the dude that she appointed.

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Speaker 4: So that's a whole other situation.

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Speaker 1: But just to go back to these two New York

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Speaker 1: cases and their significance on the civil fraud piece, this

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Speaker 1: could be a lot of money, even for someone as

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Speaker 1: incredibly wealthy as Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: We're talking hundreds of millions of dollars. That's a lot

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Speaker 4: of money. So that one is.

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Speaker 1: Significant just in terms of his part wealth business status.

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Speaker 1: He may be barred from doing business in the state

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Speaker 1: of New York. That's where some of his most iconic

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Speaker 1: properties are, around which the Trump brand has been built.

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Speaker 4: So that's significant from that perspective.

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Speaker 1: The other one that Alvin Bragg won, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is seen as sort of like the stepchild, the least

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Speaker 1: significant of the criminal charges against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: And this is.

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Speaker 1: Where the delay on the immunity question that we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about with regards to the actual election subversion case,

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Speaker 1: this is where this becomes really significant, because if it

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Speaker 1: weren't for that delay, that would have been the case

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Speaker 1: that went first, which again is the one that is

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Speaker 1: much more central to people's concerns about Donald Trump. So

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Speaker 1: even for him to have the timing be that the

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Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg case starts first and that's American's first taste

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Speaker 1: of you know, Trump on trial, that's sort of the

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Speaker 1: narrative that sets in, and it's a much easier case

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Speaker 1: for him to make that that one is you know,

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Speaker 1: politically charged and these are old allegations and it's a

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Speaker 1: witch hunt, et cetera, than it is to make that

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Speaker 1: same charge against the election subversion case, which again many

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Speaker 1: Americans have deep concerns about.

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Speaker 4: So I think it is a tactical win for him.

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Speaker 1: That the Alvin brad case is the first one to

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Speaker 1: launch here. Most likely that's the first one where the

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Speaker 1: trial date is going to be the earliest, and where

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Speaker 1: we're hearing evidence in all of those things. So in

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Speaker 1: any case, it's still a real guessing game how the

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Speaker 1: timing on all of these things is going to play out.

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Speaker 1: But this is what we know at this point, to

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Speaker 1: the best of our ability.

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Speaker 3: I think you are very right in raising that