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Speaker 1: Hie and everybody. I'm Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The twas the talk of the

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Speaker 1: audition as we travel to Super Bowl Week in New

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Speaker 1: quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest

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Speaker 1: thing since any random encounter with Chad Johnson. I was

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans for about twenty six hours to gather

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Speaker 1: podcast and social media content, and one of the first

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Speaker 1: people I ran into at Monday's crowded and crazy media

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Speaker 1: Night event with players and coaches from both teams was

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Speaker 1: Bengals legend Chad Johnson. He kissed me on the cheek,

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Speaker 1: hugged me and said, I EF and love you before

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Speaker 1: we spend a few minutes talking about the Bengals. I've

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Speaker 1: known Chad for nearly twenty five years and we used

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Speaker 1: to do a weekly segment together on TV. But here's

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Speaker 1: the thing, He's like that with everybody. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: I've ever met a celebrity of his magnitude who is

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Speaker 1: better at making people happy. So here's to the one

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Speaker 1: and only Chad Johnson. I e F and love you too.

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Speaker 1: Now let's get to my first guest. Maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: the social media algorithms knowing my interest, but it seems

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Speaker 1: to me that when I go to Twitter or Instagram,

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Speaker 1: everybody in New Orleans is talking about the Bengals, Can

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Speaker 1: they sign their key free agents? Will they be back?

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Speaker 1: And Super Bowl contention next year. We've got four guests

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Speaker 1: on this episode, beginning with the NFL Networks Adam Rank Adam,

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Speaker 1: where are the Bengals right now? After a disappointing season

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Speaker 1: where they missed the playoffs?

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Speaker 2: You know what, I wish this was the WWE and

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Speaker 2: they had a money in the bank briefcase that they

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Speaker 2: because I would tell you right now after watching the

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Speaker 2: AFC playoffs my whole time. Number one, I understand now

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Speaker 2: why Kansas City took the finger poke of doom. Didn't

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Speaker 2: want to see the Bengals in the playoffs because nobody

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Speaker 2: stands up to the Chiefs like the Bengals do. They

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Speaker 2: never kind of look at I mean, Buffalo, congratulations, you

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Speaker 2: have a very nice stand but still not a serious threat,

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Speaker 2: like not like Cincinnati. I think Cincinnati is in such

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Speaker 2: out with lou Ana Rumon, who was disappointing to see

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Speaker 2: apart a little bit. However, I really truly believe that

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Speaker 2: if the Bengals aren't considered the number.

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Speaker 1: Two team in the AFC, it's a mistake.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I'm curious to see how they approach free agency.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously, Joe Burrow is making a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: and it's well deserved when he base it on quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: I really hope they find a.

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Speaker 2: Way to keep t Higgins, keep that together and everybody

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Speaker 2: But the biggest thing, you gotta keep Trey.

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Speaker 1: Gotta keep Trey.

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Speaker 2: And I know that Miles Garrett wants to leave like

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Speaker 2: But I think if you get the secondary shored up

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Speaker 1: Oh you heard it from Aaron Rank. We like this. Well,

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Speaker 1: their biggest offseason move so far was bringing in Al Golden,

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Speaker 2: everybody knows I'm a Bears fan. I thought that when

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Speaker 2: But I think at some point you do need to

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Speaker 1: We always speak in the preseason, and this past preseason,

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Speaker 2: Well, I was out on a tightrope and I reached

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Speaker 2: please tell me if I'm way off base, because what

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing and what I saw.

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Speaker 2: Like he's really good and anytime he was gonna given opportunities. Now,

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Speaker 1: Think we should be ready to go. And I said we.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very hopeful for the twenty twenty five season

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Speaker 1: I mean, whatever happens with Kansas.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco next year. I love the way you think.

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Speaker 1: So we assume that Jamar Chase is going to get

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Speaker 1: Burrow says he'll restructure. Well, that's what we were talking about.

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Speaker 2: I Patrick Mahomes says it too. I think these guys

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Speaker 2: if we can find a way to restructure, I think

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Speaker 1: To getting it done. And I'm very hopeful that Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: And I like what we've seen from the from the investment,

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Speaker 1: We've really seen it.

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Speaker 2: You've seen this team grow, you know, and the addition

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Speaker 1: Ready to make that next leap.

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Speaker 2: And as somebody who roots for a team that's owned

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna get it. I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm more like that this is what you should do.

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Speaker 2: But I really do if they're if they're a serious organization,

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Bengals are as serious organisms.

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Speaker 1: I really do. I think they'll find a way to

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Speaker 2: And I know Trey wants to get his money and

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Speaker 2: Jamar needs his deal. I get it, but we have

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Speaker 2: you have to look at who's up, Whose turn is it?

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Speaker 1: Right? Now, Let's get.

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Speaker 2: Tea done and then we'll work on the other guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna eventually going to get there.

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Speaker 1: It shows them like, Okay, they're taking care of us.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna stick together, and I really want this team

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Speaker 1: Adam, great to see you in New Orleans and now

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to know we will see each other at

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl next year at Levi Stadium, because you're

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Speaker 1: calling it for the Bengals. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: At that point though, when you're going up against the Bears,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to turn it. I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 2: be like Polly at the end of Goodfellas, be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is where I turn my back on you.

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Speaker 1: But it'll be bittersweet, but I'm looking forward to it. No,

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Speaker 1: so Adam Rank is out on an early limb that

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Speaker 1: Where are the Bengals right now in your opinion? After

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Speaker 4: And Joe Burrow was not, you know, basically publicly demanding

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. When he came out publicly

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Speaker 1: It's easy to forget that Joe Burrow had serious risk

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Speaker 5: If you look, the Bengals just ran out of games.

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Speaker 6: so they had him and Nickel even though they knew

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Speaker 6: they knew they'd move him to the boundary. Cooper Degene

438
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Speaker 6: is you know, he had the fracture fibulla in mid

439
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 6: November at Iowa. It recovers from that, That's why he

440
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 6: fell in the draft, and then he hurts his hammy,

441
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 6: misses a dozen training camp practices. He didn't really come

442
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Speaker 6: on until after the bye, you know, week five, week six,

443
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Speaker 6: But they played those rookies.

444
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Speaker 5: I mean, they threw him out there.

445
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Speaker 6: Next thing you know, Cooper Degene has taken on Derrick

446
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 6: Henry the greatest hit. If anybody hasn't, if you haven't

447
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 6: seen it yet, YouTube it, look it up on Twitter.

448
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Speaker 5: I still don't. I feel like it's a deep fake.

449
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's not real that Cooper di she

450
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 6: is just throwing himself into the block of Granted the

451
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Speaker 6: two hundred and forty five pound blocker.

452
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Speaker 5: Granted that is Derek Henry.

453
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Speaker 6: But I mean, you gotta have you gotta have the

454
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Speaker 6: willingness to put young players out there, and a lot

455
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 6: of coaches, a lot of teams aren't. The Bengals, with

456
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Speaker 6: one of the best coordinators in recent memory, just weren't

457
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 6: last year. So I feel like it's gonna take a

458
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 6: willingness from a new coordinator and a new scheme to

459
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Speaker 6: just try something different.

460
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Speaker 5: Right, what's the.

461
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Speaker 6: Definition of insanity? You gotta get some twenty three and

462
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 6: twenty four year olds out there. Kooper Dejine turns twenty

463
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Speaker 6: two on Super Bowl Sunday. He's not even twenty two

464
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Speaker 6: as we speak right now. You gotta let him kind

465
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 6: of go through their growing pains. I feel like September October,

466
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 6: so by the time you hit the playoffs, you are

467
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Speaker 6: peaking into being a Super Bowl contender. I mean, that's

468
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Speaker 6: what the Chiefs do, right, Like they I feel like

469
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Speaker 6: the Chiefs are the San Antonio Spurs, like they are

470
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Speaker 6: playing for January. They kind of tweak things, change things

471
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Speaker 6: throughout the course of the year where everybody loses their mind,

472
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 6: right all the daytime sports talks and what's wrong.

473
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Speaker 5: With the Chiefs.

474
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Speaker 6: And by the time you gotta win and you gotta

475
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Speaker 6: get to Super Bowl, they are peaking into everything that

476
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Speaker 6: they want to be at that moment and I'm rambling here,

477
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Speaker 6: but wasn't it just two years ago? What is it

478
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Speaker 6: the twenty twenty two season when they played the Philadelphia

479
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Speaker 6: Eagles in.

480
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Speaker 5: The Super Bowl.

481
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Speaker 6: That was the year they really kind of remade their defense, right,

482
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Speaker 6: They made a lot of changes into that year. I

483
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 6: don't think they were expecting to be that good defensively.

484
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Speaker 6: A lot of first and second year guys out there.

485
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Speaker 6: They went through some growing paidents with spags, but then

486
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Speaker 6: by playoff time they did what they always do. Now,

487
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Speaker 6: I'm sure your listeners remember a certain hit along the

488
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Speaker 6: sideline and we're having a much different conversation there. That

489
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Speaker 6: Bengals team should not be lost in history. I was

490
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Speaker 6: so excited to cover the Bengals down there in Phoenix

491
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 6: that week, as were you. That's football, though, it is

492
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Speaker 6: one or loss on the fringes.

493
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Speaker 1: So you would think that hiring a defensive coordinator in

494
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Speaker 1: Al Golden from Notre Dame who spent the last three

495
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Speaker 1: years there and had tremendous defenses the last couple of

496
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Speaker 1: years will lend to the development and the use of

497
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Speaker 1: younger defensive players.

498
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Speaker 5: I would think so, right.

499
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Speaker 6: I mean, he strikes me as somebody He's worked with

500
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Speaker 6: a lot of young players recently, so he knows how

501
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 6: maybe the twenty one and twenty two year old can

502
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 6: jump into his scheme and what they can do day one.

503
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Speaker 5: I feel like they'll have to.

504
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Speaker 6: It's kind of worth going through a month or two

505
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Speaker 6: of some growing pains when the end result is a

506
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Speaker 6: super Bowl run.

507
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Speaker 5: It's the NFL.

508
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 6: Sets this thing up as a marathon where I feel

509
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Speaker 6: like every team's gonna go through a rough patch at

510
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Speaker 6: some point, and it's just somehow surviving that rough patch

511
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Speaker 6: to become the team that you want to be. And gosh,

512
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Speaker 6: I just keep thinking about the teams that are in

513
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Speaker 6: this postseason and they defensively went through I mean, Philly

514
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Speaker 6: Zach Bond talked today.

515
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Speaker 5: Who and who in the hell would have.

516
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 6: Thought Zach Bond, a backup with the Saints for three

517
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Speaker 6: years at a different position, would be a first team

518
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Speaker 6: All Pro, a final for Defensive Player of the Year.

519
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Speaker 6: And it just took like the right player at the

520
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Speaker 6: right time, with the right scheme. I mean, we chatted

521
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Speaker 6: with him for like forty minutes, and I feel like

522
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 6: he doesn't even know how he got here.

523
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Speaker 5: It's like we're all trying to figure this out together,

524
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 5: like what in the hell did the Saints miss?

525
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 6: And he kind of he would no ill will toward

526
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Speaker 6: the Saints, which I think Also, he's, you know, in

527
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 6: line for a lot of money. He doesn't really behoove

528
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 6: you to talk a lot of crap about your former.

529
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Speaker 5: Team when you're gonna get paid. So smart move, Zach.

530
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Speaker 6: But but they didn't, I mean, they didn't know really

531
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Speaker 6: how to use him. But he pointed the finger at

532
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 6: himself and said, I needed a lot to learn, you know,

533
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Speaker 6: and how to work in coverage and how to play

534
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Speaker 6: a different position.

535
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Speaker 5: And it took Vic Fangio.

536
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Speaker 6: It took the right coordinator with the right scheme, having

537
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Speaker 6: a vision for that player. So who is that for

538
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Speaker 6: Al Golden, Like, who is somebody that he knows is

539
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Speaker 6: gonna fit what he wants to do? I mean, zat

540
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Speaker 6: Bond's not even he's one of the oldest guys at

541
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Speaker 6: twenty eight on that defense too, So I don't know.

542
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Speaker 6: I guess it's a combination of not being afraid to

543
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 6: play young players and then easier.

544
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 5: Said than done, like finding yours achball who out there can.

545
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Speaker 6: Be had at a a what not a lot of

546
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Speaker 6: money because Bengals don't have a lot of money to

547
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 6: throw around that is gonna fit exactly what you want

548
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Speaker 6: to do.

549
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Speaker 5: And if you ask me who that is, I would

550
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Speaker 5: have no clue.

551
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Speaker 1: I won't ask you who that is. Then we're visiting

552
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Speaker 1: with Tyler Dunn from golongtv dot com to T Higgins

553
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Speaker 1: questions for you, can they keep Jamar and T? And

554
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Speaker 1: should they keep Jamar and T?

555
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Speaker 6: I want to say no, I'm not a capologist. I

556
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Speaker 6: had no idea.

557
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Speaker 5: If it's even possible.

558
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Speaker 6: I know Joe Burrow has said some optimistic things, and

559
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 6: it's Joe Burrow's town man, it's Joe Burrow's team, So

560
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 6: maybe he knows something that nobody else does. Like if

561
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Speaker 6: he thinks it's possible to keep both Jamar Chase and

562
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Speaker 6: T Higgins, maybe, Hey, where there's a will, there's a way.

563
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Speaker 6: It's a new day for the Bengals, right. Hey, you

564
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 6: got an owner Mike Brown who wants to spend this

565
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 6: kind of money.

566
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Speaker 5: That's amazing and as you should. I mean, you've got

567
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 5: maybe the best player in the sport. Do everything you

568
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 5: can to make it happen.

569
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Speaker 6: I don't know, though, I feel like it would be astronomical.

570
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 6: There's going to be a market for t Higgins, like

571
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 6: a very very rich market. We could sit here and

572
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Speaker 6: list off a dozen teams that would give him top

573
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Speaker 6: of the line money, even though who knows if he

574
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 6: really is that one a for the next five six

575
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 6: years work worth that kind of money, but somebody will

576
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Speaker 6: pay it. And well, here's what, Here's what the conversation

577
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Speaker 6: probably is like, is tea willing to take a little

578
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Speaker 6: less to stay in the absolute perfect situation?

579
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Speaker 1: And I think you said the right word there, a

580
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Speaker 1: little less. It can't be a gigantic difference, but a

581
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Speaker 1: little less.

582
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Speaker 6: Because the second question I think is absolutely yes, you

583
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 6: want them, even if it's gonna hurt you as you're

584
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 6: trying to like rebuild it.

585
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 5: They don't overthink it.

586
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 6: Stick to what you do best, and that is put

587
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 6: up thirty forty points at will and scare the but

588
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 6: Jesus out of the best.

589
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 5: Teams in football, the Bills, the Chiefs.

590
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 6: You know, the Ravens play the Ravens really well obviously

591
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 6: with this guy, So why would you want to mess

592
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 6: with a good thing, with the best thing.

593
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Speaker 5: That you do as an organization?

594
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Speaker 6: So you want him, man, I imagine he's thought about it,

595
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 6: he said, some time to think about it.

596
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow loves them.

597
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 6: They've figured out a way to everybody kind of gets

598
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 6: their slice of the pie, and everybody is able to

599
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 6: stay happy. So you know what the situation is. You

600
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 6: don't know what it's gonna be with another team. You've

601
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 6: covered this league way longer than me, but like since

602
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 6: twenty ten, I mean, I feel like there has been

603
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 6: one or two wide receivers every single offseason. They think

604
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 6: the grass is gonna be greener, they go there and

605
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 6: it's hell.

606
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Speaker 5: I mean early on, I.

607
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 6: Covered Greg jen in Green Bay and I still remember

608
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 6: his locker room cleanup day and maybe it was twenty twelve,

609
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 6: and he was very dramatic.

610
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 5: I love love Greg. Jenny's always keeps it real with me.

611
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 5: But like every little picture he's taken out very slowly.

612
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 5: We're all crowded on his locker.

613
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 6: He knows we're all watching, and in so many words,

614
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 6: just said goodbye, like he was ready to make a

615
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 6: lot more money somewhere else.

616
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: Well where did he go? Minnesota?

617
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 6: Christian ponder It did not work out even with Adrian Peterson,

618
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 6: So the.

619
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Speaker 5: Crass is not always greener.

620
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 6: I think every player should maximize their worth if that's

621
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 6: what they want. But you're also probably going to maximize

622
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 6: your worth by staying in Cincinnati because your career will

623
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 6: probably be longer, I would think, and you win Super Bowls.

624
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 5: Who the hell knows what kind of marketing doors open up.

625
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 6: But I know I'm preaching to the choir here and

626
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 6: everybody wants them back. But I really mean it, Like

627
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 6: if if you go back and you look at how

628
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 6: it has ended for receivers in the NFL at the

629
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Speaker 6: top of the market that get paid a lot of money,

630
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 6: it can get ugly. It can get ugly fast, and

631
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 6: you're forgotten. You're just forgotten.

632
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Speaker 1: It's easy to forget. Using that term that Joe Burrow

633
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: had serious risk surgery prior to this season. Even at

634
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: the end of the year he said he still wasn't

635
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: throwing the ball exactly the way he wanted to, and

636
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: he led the NFL in touchdown passes and passing yards

637
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: five years into his career. Is Joe Burrow getting better?

638
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 5: Oh one, Joe Burrow is getting better. He is so

639
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 5: different than you know.

640
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 6: Watching Josh Allen every Sunday in Buffalo, who I think

641
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 6: he should have been the MVP this year with how

642
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 6: he kind of threw the team on his back in transition,

643
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 6: No Stefan Diggs, a lot more young players, I mean

644
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 6: who led them in snaps at wide receiver Mac Hollins. Right,

645
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 6: it's a little different situation than jamar Chaes dggins. So,

646
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: but Alan is more of like the runaway freight train,

647
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 6: and he's such a force of Nate mature running it,

648
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 6: throwing it like he is coming at you one hundred

649
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 6: miles an hour, even as he is playing a little.

650
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 5: More careful, careful lead.

651
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 6: This year, Patrick Mahomes was kind of a game manager

652
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 6: for stretches, and I mean then the most complimentary way,

653
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 6: like he when eighty three drives without a turnover right

654
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 6: up into the one in the MC Championship game and

655
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Speaker 6: he knew he had no or sheet rice, he kind

656
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Speaker 6: of had to improvise, and who the hell knows where

657
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Speaker 6: the Chiefs are without him. But in terms of just

658
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Speaker 6: pure quarterbacking, you know, slicing and dicing from the pocket,

659
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 6: finding your weakness, finding that scab, who is that cornerback

660
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Speaker 6: that is struggling out there, you know, and then putting

661
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Speaker 6: your thumb on that scab and pushing all games.

662
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Speaker 5: I mean, you watch it Bengals game.

663
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 6: Joe Burrow is just he's finding that weakness, he's attacking,

664
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Speaker 6: He's seeing the whole field. I would it's kind of

665
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 6: a shame because I feel like hell weirdess laughing. I mean,

666
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 6: I'm so mad I didn't get to Cincinnati this year

667
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 6: with the way this season started, not knowing where this

668
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Speaker 6: thing was gonna go. I never was able to work

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Speaker 6: in a feature story down there. But I feel like

670
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 6: that is most football consumers outside of Cincinnati just weren't

671
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 6: paying attention to.

672
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: The season he had. He was unbelievable.

673
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 6: So I feel like they are into twenty twenty five

674
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Speaker 6: absolutely a super Bowl contender.

675
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 5: Joe. I mean I picked him the win last year.

676
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow's an MVP candidate.

677
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Speaker 6: And this t Higgins thing, however it shakes out, you're

678
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 6: always gonna be in good And he put it perfectly himself,

679
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 6: like the super Bowl window is always open when he's

680
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 6: the quarterback, and it's not cocky, it's just the truth.

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Speaker 1: Last thing for my friend Tyler Dunn, if you are

682
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin or the Bengals front office, is there something

683
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: at the top of your off season things to do list.

684
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 6: Man, where do you start on the defense? I mean,

685
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 6: you tell me Trey Hendrickson and a bunch of guys.

686
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Well, let's start with Trey. Then he's got one year

687
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: left on his deal. He's gonna get a big raise.

688
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: Do you sign him to a multi year extension or

689
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: do you say he's thirty. This is the time to

690
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: say save that money, try to get a high draft pick,

691
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: a couple of high draft picks. What do you do

692
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: with Trey?

693
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Speaker 5: I wonder what the market would be for him.

694
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 6: I mean, you do have to consider everything here, because

695
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 6: the gut instinct is that's insane. Why would you just

696
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 6: trade away one of your best You're only truly a

697
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 6: level A or B level talent on defense.

698
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 5: You got to think about it. But I don't think

699
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 5: you do.

700
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 6: I think you just get it done. You just you

701
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 6: have to get it done. There's every team is looking

702
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 6: for a Trey Hendrickson Again. I kind of bring everything

703
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 6: back to Buffalo. They don't have that player on defense.

704
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 6: They just don't.

705
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 5: They were fine defensively through the regular season, middle of

706
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 5: the road to a little above that because.

707
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 6: They were able to force turnovers, but their third down

708
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 6: defense was terrible most of the year.

709
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Speaker 5: Von Miller is.

710
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 6: I mean he tours ACL the first year into his contract,

711
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 6: came back, never really rediscovered himself.

712
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 5: I'm Gregory Russo, you know, first round.

713
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 6: Pick has his moments, but he's he's not a Trey

714
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 6: Hendrickson like they're they're looking. Every team is looking for

715
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 6: that kind of player that is going to just turn

716
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 6: a game upside down. Chris Jones here in Kansas City,

717
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 6: Zack Bond. I mean, if you can find another one

718
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 6: of those guys, good luck. I don't you again, you

719
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 6: should tell me what the cap ramifications are.

720
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Speaker 5: I think you do.

721
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Speaker 6: Just have to pay him whatever the market is and

722
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Speaker 6: pay t Higgins.

723
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 5: Is that possible?

724
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: Dan and extension?

725
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm just And isn't that funny? We just

726
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 6: assume that that's done just where we've already put it's

727
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 6: Larry Bird at the free throw line. We've already said

728
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 6: that's going in. But a lot of moving parts here.

729
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 6: But you know what, like how many opportunities of the

730
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Speaker 6: Cincinnati Bengals had throughout history to truly go for it.

731
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Speaker 6: I mean, you don't have to talk yourself into God

732
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 6: bless the soul.

733
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 5: Andy Dalton and the gang, right, you don't.

734
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 6: Have to talk yourself into Giovanni, Bernard aj Green, Geno

735
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 6: Atkins like very good teams with very good coach. But

736
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 6: you knew there was gonna be an endpoint wildcard, maybe

737
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 6: the divisional round.

738
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: Like, you don't have to play that game with the scene.

739
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 6: You aren't going to be in the super Bowl conversation

740
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 6: every year with this quarterback.

741
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 5: So if the dollars.

742
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 6: Make sense, just do it. Push the dead money down

743
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 6: the road. Who cares, because these guys are all worth it.

744
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: Let's do a quick promo for golongtd dot com. I'm

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Speaker 1: haven't checked it out, aren't subscribing, explain what you're doing.

749
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Speaker 6: Thanks so much, Dan, It is so good to run

750
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Speaker 6: into you and catch up on all things Bengals. But yeah,

751
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Speaker 6: golong t dot com also on substack, so you can

752
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Speaker 6: read at the site at substack. When you play your

753
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Speaker 6: email in every story goes write your email inbox. And

754
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Speaker 6: there are stories that I post for free. But to

755
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Speaker 6: get everything just eight bucks a month, fifty for the year,

756
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 6: and I mean at this time, lots of Cincinnati stuff coming.

757
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 6: We are overdue to get back down there to Cincinnati,

758
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 6: and I don't I guess the goal is always to

759
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 6: kind of like take you behind that curtain on how

760
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 6: this league really works, you know, beyond the podium and

761
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 6: the I mean we're at some of the Super Bowl podiums.

762
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 6: A lot of poll tested responses from players. They are

763
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 6: very calculated with what they're saying, so always trying to

764
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 6: get the real in the raw here.

765
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you, thanks so much for your ton Hey, thank you.

766
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 5: Dan enjoyed it.

767
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: So we've heard from three experts who were largely positive

768
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: about the Bengals prospects going forward. There's bound to be

769
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: a contrarian, right. Enter Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk,

770
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: who frequently draws the ire of Bengals fans by constantly

771
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: projecting doom and gloom. Like him or hate him, and

772
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: it seems to be the latter for most Bengals fans.

773
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: He knows how to draw an audience. We are with

774
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk. Where are the Bengals

775
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: right now? They're missing the playoffs this year well.

776
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: And it's amazing too.

777
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 7: It's got to be frustrating to them that they got

778
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 7: so close. You think about different games that if it

779
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 7: goes the other way, and I know you have to

780
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 7: go back and finish the season.

781
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 8: From that point, I go all the way back to

782
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 8: Week one.

783
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 7: If they had the Jamar Chase situation under control, and

784
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 7: they beat the Patriots, they're in the playoffs. Then I

785
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 7: think the Bengals are still trying to understand what it

786
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 7: means to have a good team and what it costs

787
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 7: to have a good team.

788
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 8: They've paid Joe Burrow, but that's hardly the end of it.

789
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 7: And I know Joe Burrow is optimistic they'll find a

790
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 7: way to keep t Higgins and make Jamar Chase happy

791
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 7: and make Trey Hendrickson happy.

792
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 8: I'm not so sure that's going to happen. They run

793
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 8: it like a business. It is a business.

794
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 7: Fans don't like to hear that, but it is a business,

795
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 7: and the business of football suggests based upon the way

796
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 7: the Bengals have done things that T Higgins won't be back.

797
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 7: They've never had a guy who they used the franchise

798
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 7: tag on stay more than one year. That franchise tag

799
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 7: year Carl's Carl Pickens is the only exception. He got

800
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 7: a long term deal and they cut him after one year.

801
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 7: But they've all only stayed one year. I think Higgins

802
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 7: is gone. They got to make Chase happy. I think

803
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 7: he's going to want more than they expect. And Hendrickson,

804
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 7: he's less than half of the market. They've got to

805
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 7: take care of Hendrickson and Chase, and they have to

806
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 7: accept that Higgins is going to be gone. Joe has

807
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 7: to accept he's going to be gone, and you hope

808
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 7: you can just load draft picks, develop them and fill

809
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 7: in those gaps and get players who can take advantage

810
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 7: of whatever window is left for Joe Burrow, he's still

811
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 7: at the front end. But when you have great players,

812
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 7: at some point you've got to pay them. And that's

813
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 7: the tension between the players and the front office, and

814
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 7: specifically between Burrow and the front office.

815
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: So just to be clear, keeping Tea is the right

816
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: move in your opinion, Well.

817
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 7: It would probably be the right move if you could

818
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 7: work it out. I'm just saying they won't because they

819
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 7: never have. It's completely out of character. They apply that

820
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 7: franchise tag, which is a signal this is it.

821
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 8: We're not going to double the franchise tag.

822
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 7: Because he's got he's got negotiating power now, because they

823
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 7: could keep him for one more year at a twenty

824
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 7: percent raise over the time twenty one point eight that

825
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 7: he made last year, and then next year.

826
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Speaker 8: He'd be free and clear because they're not gonna tag

827
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 8: him a third time.

828
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 7: So what is it gonna take to get him to

829
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 7: trade in being tagged the second time? And they wouldn't

830
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 7: tag him the second time. I think they're just gonna

831
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 7: have to see what's out there on the open market,

832
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 7: and that's the way it should be. The franchise tag

833
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 7: is just a tool to keep teams or to allow

834
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 7: teams to keep players from getting fair value.

835
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 8: So if they want to keep them, they can compete

836
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 8: with whoever else wants him.

837
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Speaker 7: I don't think they're gonna want to pay it. I

838
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 7: think they'd be smart to keep him around. I think

839
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 7: he's better than just a guy who who gets the

840
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 7: benefit of double teams for Jamar Chase, because we've seen

841
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 7: what he does when Chase is injured. We saw what

842
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 7: he did before Chase even got there. He's not just

843
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 7: the number two. He's one B to one A and

844
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 7: one A is pretty damn good. I just think they

845
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 7: have to accept the fact that's not gonna work, and

846
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 7: they're gonna have to reallocate their assets because I think

847
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 7: Jamar is gonna want at least forty and I wouldn't

848
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 7: be surprised if he wants more than forty.

849
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Speaker 8: And you could make the argument he's.

850
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 5: Worth every penny.

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Speaker 1: I've only got you for five minutes. I've always wanted

852
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: to ask you about this, wrote about it in your

853
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: book Playmakers. You've always maintained the prior to the draft,

854
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow seriously considered whether he would play in Cincinnati.

855
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: It's five years in. He says all the right things,

856
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: love's playing for the Bengals, loves still being in the

857
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: state of Ohio. Were you wrong? Did he change his mind?

858
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on that? Five years later?

859
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 7: What I said in Playmakers is if he was from Athens,

860
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 7: Georgia and not Athens, Ohio, he would have refused to

861
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 7: play for the Bengals.

862
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 8: And I can tell you that is entirely true.

863
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 7: The fact that he's an Ohio native tipped the scales

864
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 7: in favor of him playing for the Bengals, and then

865
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 7: he went through a period where before he signed the

866
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 7: second contract. Am I doing the right thing? Is this

867
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 7: the place where I can win? That's why this push

868
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 7: and pool over whether or not money is going to

869
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 7: be invested in these other players is important.

870
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 8: Not that he has an easy path out, but.

871
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 7: He's always got that Carson Palmer option if he gets

872
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 7: to the point where he's had enough, and we saw

873
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 7: it happen fourteen years ago, and that I think is

874
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 7: something that the front office needs to be considering. At

875
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 7: some point he can decide I've been here long enough.

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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna win here. We just saw Miles Garrett

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Speaker 7: do it yesterday with the Browns. If they don't change

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Speaker 7: their ways as to players beyond the quarterback, that is

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Speaker 7: at least a blip on the radar screen. And yes, yes,

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Speaker 7: if he wasn't from Athens, Ohio, he wouldn't have wanted

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Speaker 7: to play for the Bengals. That is true. People can

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Speaker 7: get mad at me. I'm just the messenger. It is true.

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Speaker 1: People will get mad at you. They are convinced you

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Speaker 1: hate the Bengals.

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Speaker 7: Well, every fan of every team is convinced that sometime

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Speaker 7: or another that I hate them because two things I'll

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Speaker 7: tell the truth, even if the truth is inconvenient for

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Speaker 7: the fans. And number two, I have a very good

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Speaker 7: knack for identifying the thing that each fan worries about,

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Speaker 7: each fan base worries about that they'd rather we not

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Speaker 7: talk about. And when we start talking about that, they

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Speaker 7: get pissed because they don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 8: They want to hear that everything's great.

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Speaker 7: Everything sunshine and and glasses half full and go renew

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Speaker 7: your season tickets and we're gonna win the super Bowl

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Speaker 7: this year. That's what they want to hear. And the

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Speaker 7: teams will sell that because it's in their best interest.

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Speaker 7: I sell truth. I sell honest, authentic analysis, and when

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Speaker 7: there's an issue, and I think this Borough thing could

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Speaker 7: become an issue if they don't take care of Chase

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Speaker 7: and they don't take care of Hendrickson. Not now, but

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Speaker 7: it's something to watch down the road. And we saw

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Speaker 7: it again with Carson Palmer. That gets people mad, but

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Speaker 7: it also gets people to see what we have to say.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the book. I went thirty seconds too long.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 8: All right, man, good talking to you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say about Mike Florio. He is a

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Speaker 1: classic provocateur and ticking off football fans around the NFL

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Speaker 1: has been very good for business. But when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow, I'm convinced that no matter what Joe says,

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Speaker 1: and no matter what the Bengals accomplish with Joe at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Mike will always see dark clouds on the horizon. Like

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Speaker 1: he said, he knows what people worry about. That's going

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