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Speaker 2: For me, music has begun like I actually have a

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Speaker 2: song that says it has become my religion, has become

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Speaker 2: meaning in my life. And people around me they know that.

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Speaker 2: They know that we're working for music because music is

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Speaker 1: From Fudro Media and PRX, It's Latino USA. I Marien Rosa.

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Speaker 1: Today Mexican singer songwriter Natalia la Fourgare invites us to

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Speaker 1: seek refuge in music. It took a while to get here,

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Speaker 1: but Natalia la Furgare wanted her latest album to be

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Speaker 1: a total celebration of life with all of its vulnerability

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Speaker 1: and all of its joy, and because it's such a

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Speaker 1: special album, she decided that it deserved a proper debut

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Speaker 1: of its own. So Natalia chose to share the toda

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Speaker 1: Las Flores at a special concert on one of the

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Speaker 1: most iconic stages in the world, Carnegie Hall in New

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Speaker 1: York City, and I dear listener, had the pleasure of

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Speaker 1: being there.

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Speaker 3: A love tamuvena soli.

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Speaker 4: Sulei dam moo OMOI.

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Speaker 1: Now, Carnegie Hall is huge, Natalia is pretty small, but

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Speaker 1: she lit up and took up the entire space. She

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Speaker 1: performed most of the new album right there, premiering it live,

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Speaker 1: and she also performed some selected songs from her twenty

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Speaker 2: I'm Good Falmu Receive.

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Speaker 1: She brought the sounds of Mexico onto the stage and

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Speaker 1: also had some special guests, including David Byrne from The

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Speaker 1: Throughout the evening, Natalia sang about caring for her own

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Speaker 1: inner flowers, and she encouraged us to tend to our

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Speaker 1: own inner gardens as.

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Speaker 4: Well's Las Flores Ramdas Las Flores is Natalia's first album

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Speaker 1: She wrote it during a time of intense isolation at

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Speaker 1: nineteen pandemic. Forced to slow down, Natalia found herself listening

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Speaker 1: like the flutter of the hummingbirds in her garden and

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Speaker 1: also to value the gift of life more than ever.

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Speaker 1: As much as she is influenced by the present, Natalia's

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Speaker 1: music is also linked to the past. Her twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: Natalia released two pairs of critically acclaimed albums featuring some

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Speaker 1: In making her new album, The Lastrodes, Natalia says she

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Speaker 1: captures her own journey of healing to dig deeper into

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Speaker 1: Manhattan to speak with Natalia just days before her sold

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Speaker 4: Conesra Lusson Dilaos.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Natalia, welcome to Latino, USA. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's the pleasure.

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Speaker 1: So I found it very interesting as we were preparing

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Speaker 1: that you decided to debut your new album, The dol

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Speaker 1: Las Flores here in Manhattan at Carnegie Hall. Quentam, Why

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Speaker 2: It was a very beautiful surprise.

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Speaker 1: So when you heard you're going to debut your album,

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Speaker 2: Going to happen. Well, it's been something that we know

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Speaker 2: But you know the time when it feels really like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's see, we're in a beautiful Sony studio.

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Speaker 1: There's a massive post of you, you know, with the

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Speaker 1: Is you looking at a stat I mean, it's really

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Speaker 2: Happening, and it's beautiful, and I feel so grateful and

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, does New York in particular have a particular

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Somebody just right now was saying that I am

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Speaker 2: which means it's like a meditation, right, It's like you

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Speaker 2: It's an opportunity to bring all this energy that the

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Speaker 4: Album casile cosoy quano regressive and laassta, so this is

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Speaker 1: You are one of those few artists that actually has

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Speaker 1: My son will listen and be just like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: For me, music has been always in my life, but

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Speaker 2: the last years in my life, music has become different

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Speaker 2: I love it because it's infinite. And you know what

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Speaker 2: I found it very interesting. So for me to have

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that going back into history is

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Speaker 1: Omara Porta ninety one years old and you're on stage

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Speaker 2: There's so much weight into that, right, Like there's so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there I feel like, yeah, from a different time.

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Speaker 2: like I don't really like this music. Everybody might like it,

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Speaker 1: Helping up on Latino USA. My conversation with musician Natalia

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Speaker 3: Di manirakere hive Suzia mon, Hey We're back.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two was a big year for Natalia la Furgare.

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Speaker 1: When we left off in our conversation, we were talking

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Speaker 2: Scared? Of course I knew I had to stop. At

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Speaker 2: You know, I did never even thought about, like how

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Speaker 1: because again, your music is okay. Somebody who is bringing

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Speaker 2: I have so much to learn, you know. So I

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Speaker 2: I love the music from my country, traditional folk music,

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Speaker 2: It is started a gamble. They're the truth, the true.

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Speaker 4: Oh, your moona kakaespier is paras it.

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Speaker 1: Really your debut is in two thousand and two solo debut,

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Speaker 2: It's been a very organic evolution. Maybe we can say

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Speaker 2: It helps us so much, like we don't even know

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Speaker 2: so much. It's emotions and it's bringing them to an

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Speaker 1: and executive producer Maria Hosa, and we'll see you on

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Speaker 2: Yes, Joe.

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Speaker 2: So I mean I have overnight oats in my bag,

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Speaker 2: ada banana and some strawberries and that was it.

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Speaker 1: So this is the glory of fight. Life of an

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Speaker 1: artist is Okay, you work all the time and sometimes

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Speaker 2: Right now, but yeah, you're having an interview with me

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Speaker 2: next till night.