Speaker 1: Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim
Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Mankie. Listener discretion advised. There is
Speaker 1: a boy in bed so sick he can barely lift
Speaker 1: his head without coughing and sputtering. His skin is covered
Speaker 1: in ulcers. His feet and head are both swollen. There
Speaker 1: are whispers from his doctors murmuring that he has a
Speaker 1: month to live, maybe two, no more. The boy is
Speaker 1: not yet sixteen years old. From certain angles, he looks
Speaker 1: like his sweet mother. The boy is so thin from
Speaker 1: illness that you would have to squint for him to
Speaker 1: look anything like his famously large, hearty father. Still, the
Speaker 1: boy has enough energy to call his counsel to him,
Speaker 1: telling them that there's something that he has to do.
Speaker 1: After all, he's not dead yet. The counselors exchange glances.
Speaker 1: What the sick boy is asking them to do might
Speaker 1: be treasonous, But then again, maybe that's not possible, because
Speaker 1: this is not just any mortally ill boy. The boy
Speaker 1: is the King of England. The judges and council must
Speaker 1: obey his commands and sign the order of succession. This
Speaker 1: boy demands that cuts out the boy's two sisters, upending
Speaker 1: the explicit desires of his father, Henry the Eighth, who
Speaker 1: looms large in the room. Despite his death six years prior,
Speaker 1: Henry the Eighth had been able to declare his plan
Speaker 1: for the line of succession back when he was alive.
Speaker 1: He wanted his son and then his daughter his first wife,
Speaker 1: Catherine of Aragon, and then his daughter by Anne Boleyn.
Speaker 1: But if Henry the Eighth had been allowed to make
Speaker 1: the line of succession back when he was king, well,
Speaker 1: now that Edward the sixth was king, he could decide
Speaker 1: the line of succession for himself. He could amend his
Speaker 1: late father's plans. The councilman nod grimacing slightly. If this
Speaker 1: plan should go awry, well, this ill boy would soon
Speaker 1: be dead, and they, the signers, would be the ones
Speaker 1: considered treasonous and left to face the consequences. Still, at
Speaker 1: this moment, he is their king. The boy holds his
Speaker 1: handkerchief to his mouth and takes it away, revealing blood.
Speaker 1: If this was a movie, the meaning in that imagery
Speaker 1: would be very clear. It's June fifteen fifty three in Greenwich, England,
Speaker 1: on the banks of the Thames River. In one month,
Speaker 1: King Edward the sixth will be dead. He will be
Speaker 1: remembered only as the short lived, barely reigning boy King
Speaker 1: of England, the much desired male heir that Henry the
Speaker 1: Eighth killed and divorced all those wives. For the story
Speaker 1: of Edward's father, King Henry the Eighth is well known
Speaker 1: in the popular imagination. This podcast did a series on
Speaker 1: his six wives, according to the British nursery rhyme, now
Speaker 1: set to music in the Broadway musical six Divorced, Beheaded, died, divorced, Beheaded,
Speaker 1: survived the story of his sisters who came to the
Speaker 1: throne after him. Mary and Elizabeth are also famous. Mary
Speaker 1: would be known sometimes in history as Bloody Mary, champion
Speaker 1: of Catholicism. Elizabeth would, of course ring in the long
Speaker 1: Golden Elizabethan age as the Virgin Queen. They Mary and
Speaker 1: Elizabeth were the first accepted women to rule England as
Speaker 1: Queen's But comparatively forgotten as he might be, there was
Speaker 1: actually one man in the middle of those famous figures,
Speaker 1: while not even a man really a boy, a son
Speaker 1: born to the beautiful Jane Seymour, wife of Henry the Eighth,
Speaker 1: and the one that he loved best, the only wife
Speaker 1: who died a natural death while still married to him.
Speaker 1: That little boy, their son, never got to grow up.
Speaker 1: He is England's lost king, dead before his sixteenth birthday,
Speaker 1: barely a blip in English histories between the enormous stories
Speaker 1: of his father and his two sisters. But he had
Speaker 1: a story too. It was a story that ended fast
Speaker 1: and short, but a story that echoed and inverted his
Speaker 1: father's because Edward too was a man surrounded by women
Speaker 1: in a time when every dynasty needed a man. He
Speaker 1: loved his sisters, and yet he tried with everything he
Speaker 1: had to leave a legacy that did not include them.
Speaker 1: I'm Danish Schwartz and this is noble blood. The story
Speaker 1: of Edward the sixth started on October twelfth, fifteen thirty seven,
Speaker 1: with England's King Henry the Eighth, a nervous wreck. Henry
Speaker 1: was a man of action who lived to jump onto
Speaker 1: his horses and ride out into a hunt. But for
Speaker 1: now all he could do was pace and wait. His
Speaker 1: third wife, Jane Seymour, was in her thirtieth hour of
Speaker 1: labor in Hampton Court Palace. King Henry had already divorced
Speaker 1: one wife who had failed him, and beheaded another. Both
Speaker 1: had Lain in labor two and both had given him
Speaker 1: only daughters. He had whispered to this third wife's growing belly,
Speaker 1: Edward Edward. He had ensured no women or midwives would
Speaker 1: be present at the birth, only the best doctors, men,
Speaker 1: and sweet Jane Seymour, formerly Lady in waiting to his
Speaker 1: earlier queen, gave birth to a son, at last, the
Speaker 1: only thing Henry had wanted. She Jane would be the
Speaker 1: best of all of his wives. Immediately, church bells clanged
Speaker 1: throughout London, two thousand rounds of ammunition shot from the
Speaker 1: tower guards, free wine and beer poured into the streets.
Speaker 1: A circular went out announcing the birth of a quote
Speaker 1: prince conceived in most lawful matrimony. Supposedly, the announcement was
Speaker 1: sent by Queen Jane, but the labor had been difficult
Speaker 1: and it's unlikely she'd have delivered the address. Still, the
Speaker 1: language in the announcement was notable. The king had deemed
Speaker 1: his daughters Mary and Elizabeth illegitimate. They were both born
Speaker 1: while he had been married to their mothers, Yes Mary
Speaker 1: from Catherine of Aragon, Elizabeth from the Traitoress and Bolin.
Speaker 1: But in the end Henry had to deem each marriage
Speaker 1: illegitimate in order to continue on to the next marriage.
Speaker 1: With this child his son, there would be no question
Speaker 1: Edward was the most lawful. He was the heir. After
Speaker 1: baby Edward's birth, two royal gatherings took place in quick succession.
Speaker 1: First Edward's christening, a most happy occasion. On October fifteenth,
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty seven, the King and Queen received guests in
Speaker 1: their bedchamber. Jane, dressed in velvet and fur, sitting on
Speaker 1: a pallette beside her husband. Edward's sister, Mary, aged twenty
Speaker 1: one at this point, was godmother. Edward's sister Elizabeth, only
Speaker 1: four years old, came in carrying the baptismal chrism the
Speaker 1: anointments for her brother. She was carried by Jane's brother,
Speaker 1: Edward Seymour, remember that name. It was a joyous family
Speaker 1: scene for both little Edward and all of England. But
Speaker 1: nine days later, Jane Seymour died, and so began the
Speaker 1: second gathering in Edward's short life, the funeral ceremonies for
Speaker 1: his mother. His sister Mary was chief mourner. Edward and
Speaker 1: his mother had only shared the earth for twelve short days,
Speaker 1: but despite this early tragedy. Edward's childhood was mostly happy.
Speaker 1: He seemed to love his sister's man and Elizabeth, who
Speaker 1: seemed to love him too, particularly the much older Mary.
Speaker 1: Both sisters were more welcomed into the fold by their
Speaker 1: father now that the male line of succession was assured.
Speaker 1: In Edward's diary, he wrote that he was brought up
Speaker 1: quote among the women until the age of six. He
Speaker 1: knew his wet nurse, dry nurse under nurse cradle Rockers,
Speaker 1: and his father was extremely protective. As a baby, Edward's
Speaker 1: room was scrubbed daily, dirty utensils and food were not
Speaker 1: allowed near him, and his clothes tested for poison. You
Speaker 1: can understand why Henry was so careful, given all that
Speaker 1: he had to go through to get his precious son.
Speaker 1: Still little, Edward's childhood was far from sterile. Acrobats and
Speaker 1: tumblers performed for his entertainment. He watched bear's fight in
Speaker 1: his menagerie. His Mary would watch the minstrels with him,
Speaker 1: and she gave them rewards for delighting her younger brother.
Speaker 1: Edward didn't see his father often, but Henry doated on
Speaker 1: him when they did see each other. In fifteen forty three,
Speaker 1: Henry married his sixth and final wife. I mean he
Speaker 1: wasn't so happy with a single male heir that he
Speaker 1: didn't divorce and behead two other wives during young Edward's childhood,
Speaker 1: and Edward had a good relationship with his final stepmother,
Speaker 1: Catherine Parr, whom he called his most dear mother. Edward
Speaker 1: also had an excellent and robust education in what was
Speaker 1: then deemed the humanist tradition. He was very intelligent. He
Speaker 1: knew Latin and French, memorized and recited Aesop's fables, and
Speaker 1: Cato strengthened his skill at rhetorical argumentation by arguing both
Speaker 1: for and against war. He learned cartography, geography, and astronomy,
Speaker 1: and directed and acted in masks. Some claim that he
Speaker 1: had a photographic or at least idetic memory. This humanist
Speaker 1: education also meant he grew up Protestant, unlike his very
Speaker 1: Catholic older sister Mary. Nevertheless, he wrote affectionate letters to
Speaker 1: both of his sisters. He and his sister Elizabeth, only
Speaker 1: four years older than him, had a playful rivalry that
Speaker 1: would be familiar to those of us who have siblings today. Academically,
Speaker 1: Edward promised quote to my utmost power, if not to
Speaker 1: surpass at least to equal you in zeal And. As
Speaker 1: with much older siblings today whose texts we might not
Speaker 1: respond to quickly enough, Edward was warmer in his letters
Speaker 1: to his sister Mary, writing quote, although I do not
Speaker 1: frequently write to you, my dearest sister, I love you
Speaker 1: quite as well as if I had sent letters to
Speaker 1: you more frequently. I write to you rarely, yet I
Speaker 1: love you most. Most of this good relationship with his
Speaker 1: sisters came about as a result of their father, Henry's
Speaker 1: Third Succession Act, passed in fifteen forty three, when Edward
Speaker 1: was five years old. The first Succession Act had removed
Speaker 1: Mary from the line of succession. The second had removed Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: but that had been before the male heir had existed.
Speaker 1: This third Act restored the girls to the line of succession,
Speaker 1: behind Edward and any other children Henry might have. The
Speaker 1: order was Edward and his line of dissent any other
Speaker 1: children Henry might have, then Mary, then Elizabeth, and all
Speaker 1: that came to really matter. On January twenty eighth, in
Speaker 1: fifteen forty seven, nine year old Edward and thirteen year
Speaker 1: old Elizabeth were together in Hertfordshire when a messenger arrived
Speaker 1: with grim news their father was dead. Brother and sister
Speaker 1: might have wept together, but the time for grief was short.
Speaker 1: They both knew what this meant. Edward, not yet ten
Speaker 1: years old, was going to be crowned king, and he
Speaker 1: needed to be ready to rule. Of course, Edward was
Speaker 1: still too young to rule on his own. His stepmother,
Speaker 1: Henry's final wife, Catherine Parr, had already started signing her
Speaker 1: letters as Queen Regent when she found out that she
Speaker 1: would not actually be regent at all, despite her wishes,
Speaker 1: and despite Henry's dying wishes, it would be Edward's uncle,
Speaker 1: Jane Seymour's brother also named Edward, who would be in
Speaker 1: charge until the young Edward's eighteenth birthday. He had wanted
Speaker 1: a sixteen man regency council to rule equally until his
Speaker 1: son turned eighteen. Instead, Edward Seymour was named Lord Protector
Speaker 1: of the realm Duke of Somerset. For a while, this
Speaker 1: suited the young King. Edward just find his humanist schooling
Speaker 1: and his Protestant beliefs deepened apace. His sister Mary loved
Speaker 1: to give her little brother presents, and at new year's
Speaker 1: he could count on receiving a shirt that his sister
Speaker 1: Elizabeth had made for him herself. He was content enjoying
Speaker 1: his family's doting and being king in name only, But
Speaker 1: as Edward grew older and closer to ruling fully on
Speaker 1: his own, tensions and threats were growing from three sources
Speaker 1: around him, from the natural world, from his own family,
Speaker 1: and from the Lord protector for the natural world, plague abounded.
Speaker 1: Two of his closest friends his own age died of
Speaker 1: the sweating sickness. But it was the second problem his
Speaker 1: family where the rifts were really starting to show, specifically
Speaker 1: with Edward's older sister Mary, who'd showered him with gifts
Speaker 1: and whom he declared he loved most. The problem was
Speaker 1: she was incorrigibly Catholic. Edward, educated as a Protestant, was
Speaker 1: becoming more and more anti Catholic. At eleven years old,
Speaker 1: he spent eight months writing a treatise about Papal's supremacy,
Speaker 1: which makes him sound like he was a really fun kid.
Speaker 1: Ever practicing his rhetoric, he argued both for and against
Speaker 1: the Pope until reaching his conclusion the Pope was quote
Speaker 1: the true son of the devil a bad man, an antichrist,
Speaker 1: not exactly the king inclusion a deeply Catholic sister would
Speaker 1: want her little brother to have. He told Mary several
Speaker 1: times over the years to knock it off with the
Speaker 1: Catholic Mass, sometimes criticizing her in front of his council,
Speaker 1: an occasion that would sometimes end with both of them crying.
Speaker 1: But Mary wouldn't stop. In a diary entry marked March eighteenth,
Speaker 1: fifteen fifty one, Edward described a confrontation at Westminster when
Speaker 1: he that thirteen year old king called his thirty five
Speaker 1: year old sister to a meeting in front of his council. There,
Speaker 1: he declared that he'd suffered her mass for long enough
Speaker 1: and simply could not bear it anymore. This entry, by
Speaker 1: the way, makes a plus use of the passive voice.
Speaker 1: Edward writes, quote, it was said that I asked her
Speaker 1: to obey she was called into a meeting. The little
Speaker 1: king wrote actively about himself plenty, but he didn't need
Speaker 1: a twenty first century English teacher to tell him that
Speaker 1: the passive voice is perfect when you don't quite want
Speaker 1: to take responsibility for the way you're humiliating your adult sister.
Speaker 1: Edward's growing frustrations with Mary did get superseded for a
Speaker 1: time by that pesky little third problem, his uncle, the
Speaker 1: Duke of Somerset. His uncle was planning a coup. A
Speaker 1: lot went on here, but long story short, his uncle failed,
Speaker 1: and Edward's entire diary entry for January twenty second, fifteen
Speaker 1: fifty two is a kind of darkly hilarious one liner.
Speaker 1: The Duke of Somerset had his head cut off upon
Speaker 1: the Tower Hill between eight and nine o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: That's it with the problem of his former lord protector
Speaker 1: take care of. Edward may have thought his main concern
Speaker 1: would be Catholic Mary, but nature tends to rear its
Speaker 1: cruel head, and it was problem number one that ultimately
Speaker 1: showed up in another one line diary entry, which isn't
Speaker 1: funny at all. On April second, fifteen fifty two, Edward wrote,
Speaker 1: I fell sick with the measles and the smallpox. It
Speaker 1: was a relatively minor about of sickness at the start,
Speaker 1: but history hindsight is twenty twenty and so we looking
Speaker 1: back know that's where Edward's real problems would begin. Where
Speaker 1: his father had been surrounded by wives and daughters, Edward
Speaker 1: had no wife and would never have one, nor would
Speaker 1: he have children. Edward was instead surrounded by his sisters
Speaker 1: Mary and Elizabeth, and his cousins. Yes, even his cousins
Speaker 1: were all women, and they were all through the female line.
Speaker 1: His cousin, Jane Gray, was his father's sister's granddaughter. Edward
Speaker 1: had grown up among the women in his infancy and
Speaker 1: early years, and he was among them again at the
Speaker 1: end of his life, at least as far as succession
Speaker 1: was concerned. Edward was well educated and knew his history.
Speaker 1: He knew that the crown of England had never successfully
Speaker 1: passed to a woman, and the closest it came was
Speaker 1: the incredibly disputed claim by the Empress Matilda four hundred
Speaker 1: years before. Edward looked at his options. His sister Mary first,
Speaker 1: as his father had commanded in his third succession act.
Speaker 1: As a little brother. He had loved his big sister,
Speaker 1: but as king of England he had to contend with
Speaker 1: her Catholicism. Despite all of his warnings to her, she
Speaker 1: had stayed Catholic. And Edward was the boy who had
Speaker 1: called the Pope the Antichrist. He could not in good
Speaker 1: conscience leave England in her Catholic hands. Elizabeth was second
Speaker 1: in his father's line of succession. There was nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with his second sister, per se. But Edward was also
Speaker 1: the boy who'd grown up learning rhetoric, arguing both sides
Speaker 1: of every issue. He was logical. How could he exclude
Speaker 1: Mary on the ground that she was illegitimate without claiming
Speaker 1: that Elizabeth was illegitimate too. After all, their father had
Speaker 1: only divorced Mary's mother, he had outright killed Elizabeth's mother
Speaker 1: and boln for treason. Edward couldn't logically allow Elizabeth to
Speaker 1: reign either. So, ailing and aching, the little brother set
Speaker 1: about writing the final literary task of his short life.
Speaker 1: He called the docor he meant his device for the succession.
Speaker 1: Edward wrote about the lack of issue of his body.
Speaker 1: He wrote the term heirs male twelve times, as obsessed
Speaker 1: with the idea as his father had been before him.
Speaker 1: But no matter how many times he wrote what he desired,
Speaker 1: he had no heirs at all, male or not. So
Speaker 1: he named his cousin, Lady Jane Gray, his heir to
Speaker 1: the throne. The judges of the King's Bench warned him
Speaker 1: it could be treason. He was directly contradicting his father's will,
Speaker 1: potentially directly contradicting a future queen. Edward, sick as he was,
Speaker 1: drew himself up to as imposing a height as he
Speaker 1: could manage, and reminded them who was currently King Mary,
Speaker 1: he said, could not be queen, she would destroy the
Speaker 1: Protestant religion in England. He had to quote disown and
Speaker 1: disinherit her together with her sister Elizabeth, as though she
Speaker 1: were a bastard and had sprung from an illegitimate bed end.
Speaker 1: The judges relented, Edward was appeased. In portraits of Edward
Speaker 1: from babyhood to young adulthood, he is painted in the
Speaker 1: same red orange tunic as his father. His father was
Speaker 1: known to be a huge man, married six times in
Speaker 1: his fifty five years. Edward would die small and weakened,
Speaker 1: never married forever a boy. Yet in the end, maybe
Speaker 1: there was a bit of his father in him. After all,
Speaker 1: Edward exerted his iron will over the women that he'd loved,
Speaker 1: women who'd loved him. He'd used his power to get
Speaker 1: rid of them at will. He'd spent his dying days
Speaker 1: ensuring that his sisters, at least in his mind, would
Speaker 1: never see the throne of England. Well spoiler alert, he failed.
Speaker 1: Edward's cousin, Lady Jane Gray, manipulated by the men around her,
Speaker 1: claimed the crown for a disputed nine days in July
Speaker 1: of fifteen fifty three, and then lost her head. It
Speaker 1: was Edward's oldest sister, Mary who became the first accepted
Speaker 1: female queen of England, who reigned for five years, re
Speaker 1: establishing Catholicism with a violence that earned her the historical
Speaker 1: nickname but not altogether entirely accurate, Bloody Mary. After she
Speaker 1: died childless in fifteen fifty eight, Edward's other sister, Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: reigned for nearly fifty years, bringing England into the seventeenth
Speaker 1: century as a Protestant nation. But in the early morning
Speaker 1: of July sixth, fifteen fifty three, all of that was
Speaker 1: so far ahead. Edward was born into the hands of
Speaker 1: male doctors, and he died in their hands too. Just
Speaker 1: as they couldn't help his mother, they couldn't help him.
Speaker 1: Edward's final days were painful. His fingers and toenails came loose,
Speaker 1: his skin turned purplish. He looked so bad that in
Speaker 1: his final appearance to the public in a window. Some
Speaker 1: onlookers thought that he was already dead by the time
Speaker 1: he drew his last breath. Those around him could barely
Speaker 1: stand the stench of what came out of his lungs.
Speaker 1: An autopsy revealed that his lungs had two enormous ulcers.
Speaker 1: Many historians suspect he may have died of what we
Speaker 1: now know as tuberculosis, and that his measles of April
Speaker 1: fifteen fifty two, that had been jotted as just a
Speaker 1: note in his diary, was probably the cause. Measles can't
Speaker 1: suppress immunity to tuberculosis. Mary had already fled by the
Speaker 1: time her little brother died, knowing full well that as
Speaker 1: soon as he died, she would be vulnerable to being captured.
Speaker 1: For the tumultuous month that followed Edward's death, when the
Speaker 1: line of succession was confused because of Edward's own machinations,
Speaker 1: his body laid unburied, waiting for the question of the
Speaker 1: crown to be settled among the women who outlived him. Finally,
Speaker 1: on August eighth, fifteen fifty three, he was laid to
Speaker 1: rest in Westminster Abbey in a vault that was two
Speaker 1: and a half feet wide by seven and a half
Speaker 1: feet long in unusually small vault by Kingley standards to
Speaker 1: this day in Westminster Abbey. He has only a small
Speaker 1: plaque on the ground marking his resting place. His sisters
Speaker 1: both loom much larger. They are buried in a tomb
Speaker 1: together with each other. Edward's father, Henry the eighth, has
Speaker 1: company in death, sharing a vault with Edward's mother, Jane Seymour,
Speaker 1: the King's favorite. Also in the vault is King Charles
Speaker 1: the First and an infant child of Queen Anne. But
Speaker 1: the lost often forgotten boy, King Edward the sixth, the
Speaker 1: boy who never grew up, is not buried among the women.
Speaker 1: He is buried alone. That's the story of the lost
Speaker 1: boy King of England who gave way to Bloody Mary.
Speaker 1: But stick around after a brief sponsor break to hear
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the diary that we quoted
Speaker 1: in this episode. I mentioned Edward's diary a few times
Speaker 1: in this story. That's because it's actually a really special
Speaker 1: historical document, the first private diary of a king in
Speaker 1: all of English and European history. But if you're expecting
Speaker 1: some really good, juicy details, you'll be disappointed. When I
Speaker 1: was nine years old, My diary chronicled my interactions with
Speaker 1: my fourth grade crush Todd. But Edward's diary has almost
Speaker 1: no hint of an inner life at all. He started
Speaker 1: keeping it in fifteen forty seven, the year he became
Speaker 1: a king at age nine or ten years old, and
Speaker 1: it's clear he was aware he was chronicling history. He
Speaker 1: even called it his chronicle, meticulously writing sixty eight pages
Speaker 1: of text on eighty four leaves of paper in his
Speaker 1: neat italic handwriting. The diary is generally consider uttered boring,
Speaker 1: like the driest daily calendar you've ever read. Lots of
Speaker 1: one line entries describing Flemish ships, the trade of tallow candles,
Speaker 1: detail less dinners with ambassadors, an entire entry that kind
Speaker 1: of hilariously reads the aforementioned proclamation was proclaimed. He even
Speaker 1: records his own mother's death in a tone that is
Speaker 1: flat and refers to himself in the third person. The
Speaker 1: first sentence of his diary reads, in the year of
Speaker 1: our Lord fifteen thirty seven, a prince was born to
Speaker 1: King Henry the Eighth by Jane Seymour, then Queen, who
Speaker 1: within a few days after the birth of her son,
Speaker 1: died and was buried at Windsor Castle. The words have
Speaker 1: no emotion, and so there's something kind of sad about
Speaker 1: this little boy, nine or ten and newly orphaned at
Speaker 1: the point his father recently dead, aware that he is
Speaker 1: the King of England, beginning a diary and starting with
Speaker 1: those words, he's recording the death of the mother. He
Speaker 1: never knew with an awareness that history would be reading
Speaker 1: his words, that you or I would be reading or
Speaker 1: listening to those words someday, and that he, as King
Speaker 1: of England, should strip all emotion from his careful, doomed
Speaker 1: little boy hand. Noble Blood is a production of iHeartRadio
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Speaker 1: created and hosted by me Dana Schwartz, with additional writing
Speaker 1: and researching by Hannah Johnston, hannah's Wick, Mira Hayward, Courtney Sender,
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