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Speaker 1: Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim

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Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Mankie. Listener discretion advised. There is

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Speaker 1: a boy in bed so sick he can barely lift

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Speaker 1: his head without coughing and sputtering. His skin is covered

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Speaker 1: in ulcers. His feet and head are both swollen. There

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Speaker 1: are whispers from his doctors murmuring that he has a

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Speaker 1: month to live, maybe two, no more. The boy is

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Speaker 1: not yet sixteen years old. From certain angles, he looks

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Speaker 1: like his sweet mother. The boy is so thin from

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Speaker 1: illness that you would have to squint for him to

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Speaker 1: boy has enough energy to call his counsel to him,

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Speaker 1: telling them that there's something that he has to do.

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Speaker 1: After all, he's not dead yet. The counselors exchange glances.

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Speaker 1: What the sick boy is asking them to do might

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Speaker 1: be treasonous, But then again, maybe that's not possible, because

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Speaker 1: this is not just any mortally ill boy. The boy

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Speaker 1: is the King of England. The judges and council must

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Speaker 1: obey his commands and sign the order of succession. This

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Speaker 1: boy demands that cuts out the boy's two sisters, upending

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Speaker 1: the explicit desires of his father, Henry the Eighth, who

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Speaker 1: looms large in the room. Despite his death six years prior,

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Speaker 1: Henry the Eighth had been able to declare his plan

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Speaker 1: He wanted his son and then his daughter his first wife,

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Speaker 1: But if Henry the Eighth had been allowed to make

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Speaker 1: now that Edward the sixth was king, he could decide

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Speaker 1: the line of succession for himself. He could amend his

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Speaker 1: late father's plans. The councilman nod grimacing slightly. If this

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Speaker 1: plan should go awry, well, this ill boy would soon

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Speaker 1: be dead, and they, the signers, would be the ones

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Speaker 1: considered treasonous and left to face the consequences. Still, at

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Speaker 1: this moment, he is their king. The boy holds his

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Speaker 1: handkerchief to his mouth and takes it away, revealing blood.

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Speaker 1: If this was a movie, the meaning in that imagery

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Speaker 1: on the banks of the Thames River. In one month,

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Speaker 1: King Edward the sixth will be dead. He will be

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Speaker 1: remembered only as the short lived, barely reigning boy King

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Speaker 1: of Edward's father, King Henry the Eighth is well known

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Speaker 1: in the popular imagination. This podcast did a series on

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Speaker 1: his six wives, according to the British nursery rhyme, now

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Speaker 1: survived the story of his sisters who came to the

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Speaker 1: would be known sometimes in history as Bloody Mary, champion

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Speaker 1: of Catholicism. Elizabeth would, of course ring in the long

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Speaker 1: Golden Elizabethan age as the Virgin Queen. They Mary and

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Speaker 1: Queen's But comparatively forgotten as he might be, there was

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Speaker 1: actually one man in the middle of those famous figures,

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Speaker 1: while not even a man really a boy, a son

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Speaker 1: born to the beautiful Jane Seymour, wife of Henry the Eighth,

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Speaker 1: That little boy, their son, never got to grow up.

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Speaker 1: He is England's lost king, dead before his sixteenth birthday,

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Speaker 1: of his father and his two sisters. But he had

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Speaker 1: a story too. It was a story that ended fast

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Speaker 1: father's because Edward too was a man surrounded by women

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Speaker 1: I'm Danish Schwartz and this is noble blood. The story

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Speaker 1: of Edward the sixth started on October twelfth, fifteen thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: with England's King Henry the Eighth, a nervous wreck. Henry

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Speaker 1: A circular went out announcing the birth of a quote

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Speaker 1: But in the end Henry had to deem each marriage

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Speaker 1: With this child his son, there would be no question

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Speaker 1: Edward was the most lawful. He was the heir. After

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Speaker 1: baby Edward's birth, two royal gatherings took place in quick succession.

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Speaker 1: First Edward's christening, a most happy occasion. On October fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: Edward Seymour, remember that name. It was a joyous family

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Speaker 1: second gathering in Edward's short life, the funeral ceremonies for

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Speaker 1: but despite this early tragedy. Edward's childhood was mostly happy.

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Speaker 1: He seemed to love his sister's man and Elizabeth, who

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Speaker 1: seemed to love him too, particularly the much older Mary.

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Speaker 1: Both sisters were more welcomed into the fold by their

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Speaker 1: In Edward's diary, he wrote that he was brought up

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Speaker 1: and his father was extremely protective. As a baby, Edward's

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Speaker 1: room was scrubbed daily, dirty utensils and food were not

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Speaker 1: Still little, Edward's childhood was far from sterile. Acrobats and

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Speaker 1: and Edward had a good relationship with his final stepmother,

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Speaker 1: also had an excellent and robust education in what was

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Speaker 1: Third Succession Act, passed in fifteen forty three, when Edward

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Speaker 1: This third Act restored the girls to the line of succession,

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Speaker 1: that came to really matter. On January twenty eighth, in

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Speaker 1: Henry's final wife, Catherine Parr, had already started signing her

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Speaker 1: Ever practicing his rhetoric, he argued both for and against

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