1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Captain Wrong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond 12 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: Contact are the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 3: the classic cases and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 4: Welcome everyone to Beyond Contact. I Captain Ron, and today 16 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 4: we have the absolute pleasure of speaking with Peter Robbins. 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: Peter's a prominent UFO researcher, author, and investigator known for 18 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 4: his deep involvement in the study of unidentified flying objects 19 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 4: and extraterrestrial phenomenon. He's also a frequent speaker at UFO 20 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: and paranormal conferences, and has contributed his expertise to numerous 21 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: media outlets and documentaries, always stressing the importance of open, 22 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: honest investigation into this subject. In fact, we are thrilled 23 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 4: to have him for the first time ever at Contact 24 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 4: in the Desert this year. On top of all his 25 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: incredible work and all his great accomplishments, he's about the nicest, 26 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 4: most genuine person you can meet, and I am thrilled 27 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: to have him taking the time to chat with us today. Hey, Peter, 28 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 4: beyond Contact, how you doing good? Ron good to be 29 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: on the show, no question about it, and we're really 30 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: excited about having you at Contact for the first time. Ya. 31 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: You're going to love this, Peter, I promise you. 32 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 5: I have had descriptions coming at me for years from 33 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 5: so many different people, and I am looking forward to 34 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 5: soaking it all in and being part of it. 35 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: So I think of you as this great, well spoken researcher, orator, writer, 36 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 4: and I forget that you too are, in fact an 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 4: experiencer yourself in a direct eyewitness to a classic UFO event. 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: In fact, because of your earnestness and your integrity, you're 39 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: on my short list of witnesses that actually help make 40 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: me compelled to believe something real is happening. Here. We've 41 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: been talking amongst ourselves lately here at CITD, and you know, 42 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: sometimes we have these mind blowing synchronicities happen that are 43 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 4: just so profound, and even that sometimes feels so profound 44 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 4: to us that we want to share it with the world, 45 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 4: like this should be on the evening news tonight. We 46 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: get all excited about it, and we imagine how having 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: an experience of seeing something so paranormal, such as a 48 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 4: bigfoot or a UFO close up as you did, and 49 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: we have this sense that, oh, my god, the world 50 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: should know that this is real. But then when it 51 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: happens and we share it with a few close friends, 52 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 4: it becomes simply that it's just hey, that's a good synchronicity, 53 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: or hey, you had a good bigfoot sighting, or you 54 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 4: had a good UFO sighting, and it ends there. The 55 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: world doesn't change overnight, even if ours hats So how 56 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 4: do you square something like the UFO phenomenon that you 57 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: know to be real while living in a world where, 58 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: for the most part, people don't believe it's real. 59 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 5: I think we have to begin with an understand that 60 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 5: our human nature allows us to believe, accept, embrace ideas 61 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 5: that we're comfortable with, or that we've gotten to a 62 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 5: point where we can accept, but other ones, especially if 63 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 5: they're associated, as the UFO subject has been for most 64 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 5: of its modern life with ridicule. It's in our culture, 65 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 5: or certainly up until six or seven years ago, when 66 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 5: things shifted somewhat, and I would say we're in basically 67 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 5: the post disclosure age, although there's still room for the 68 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 5: ridicule age. Although there's still plenty of room for ridicule, 69 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 5: we're now in an age where, well, conspiracy is kind 70 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 5: of having a golden time. Ten years ago, the world 71 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 5: of conspiracies was considered more or less on the friends 72 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 5: and UFOs being a central one. It can't be therefore 73 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 5: it isn't therefore it's something else. Therefore, let me pat 74 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 5: you on the head, give you a pseudo scientific explanation, 75 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 5: and be off. We have to get beyond that reality 76 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 5: and understand that there are a great many things going 77 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 5: on that we should be uncomfortable about, or that we 78 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 5: are no part of a much larger matrix community. I'll 79 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 5: tell you ron one thing I can say for sure 80 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 5: about myself after more than forty years immersion in this 81 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 5: subject is I'm not exactly sure what's going on. I 82 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 5: know for a fact as well as I can that 83 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 5: we are not alone, and that those not alone beings 84 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 5: may be interdimensional extraterrestrial under the sea from the dark 85 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 5: side of the moon here for the last millions of years, 86 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 5: adjusting our DNA as creatures come up. We may be 87 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 5: somebody's graduate experiment gone horribly wrong. You're on Earth and 88 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 5: they come back to try to correct it. Stanton Friedman, 89 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 5: one of the great icons and real role models of 90 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 5: UFO research, had a theory, not one hundred percent serious, 91 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 5: but that Earth was where you got sent if you 92 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 5: screwed up on your own planet, to find out how 93 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 5: messed up things could really be, and then if you 94 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 5: were good, you could go home again. We're only limited 95 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 5: by our imagination. Fear of the unknown is what all 96 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 5: fear comes down to, and isn't Are UFOs real? Do 97 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 5: they represent you know, beings from other planets or other dimensions, 98 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 5: or some dark you know cabal of human beings working 99 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 5: in tandem with them. 100 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: I think it's important to to not know. I think 101 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 4: that's the only right answer. Anyone that tells me on 102 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 4: here that they know, I immediately am suspect from that. So 103 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 4: I love people like Whitley Strieber who've been studying this 104 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: and having these direct experiences for forty or fifty years. 105 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 4: And he says, I don't know, and even calls them 106 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: the visitors. He goes, I don't even know if they're alien. 107 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: I like that. That makes it more compelling to me. 108 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 5: In our work, we see people holding on to what 109 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 5: they can tolerate or what they long for. We know 110 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 5: that through the work of organizations like Peer and It's 111 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 5: Inheritors and John Macis Association. Also in the work that 112 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 5: like Rene hern Andez is doing. There are so many 113 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 5: people who report from around the world positive beautific life change. 114 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 4: Initially they report that later Initially it's like eighty eight 115 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: percent hated the experience, but to say Flips, it's like 116 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: eighty five percent thought it was positive. So that's an 117 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: interesting part of that. It's of course works both ways. 118 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: And one we used. 119 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 5: To argue whether or not perhaps you're the kind of 120 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 5: person that just was brought up to be more anxious 121 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 5: and more negative and you know you're going to have 122 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 5: an encounter and you're going to experience it through the 123 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: eyes of fear, or you're just a more open person 124 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 5: and embracing me unknown and adventurous, and you have an experience, 125 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 5: and it's just life opening and just life. A firm 126 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 5: ami and one or that they are have the ability 127 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 5: to affect our lives negatively and positively. So much of 128 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 5: it is still theoretical for me, based on common sense, 129 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 5: logical thinking, and one's own ability to not let your 130 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 5: awe get away from you. Sometimes I don't know about you, Ron, 131 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 5: But in searching for answers and just keeping open to 132 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 5: answers regarding the UFO question, I found some of the best, 133 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 5: at least philosophical postolates in science fiction, because I don't 134 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 5: see it in science Somebody like Gene Roddenberry. He was 135 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 5: a showrunner. He created a little show called Star Trek. 136 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 5: We all know what grew up with it. We love it. 137 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 5: But he was a visionary as well, and for me, 138 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 5: that first season was really what it was all about. 139 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 5: I got onto other things after, but the prime directive, 140 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: if you are in the presence of a lesser technologically 141 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 5: advanced society, do not show all your cards. They will 142 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 5: just come undone. 143 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: It's a great analogy for what we're facing with anything. 144 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 4: If ets are coming or if they're going to come, 145 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: that's a great analogy. We need to take a break, Peter. 146 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 4: We're going to come right back. We're going to talk 147 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 4: Peter more about his personal experience in how some ways 148 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 4: it purely he is the current state of disclosure. You're 149 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 150 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 4: Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. 151 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,479 Speaker 4: I'm Captain Ron. We are speaking with the esteemed researcher 152 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: mister Peter Robbins. Hey, Peter, I found I have another 153 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: little rant here. I found this little microcosm of what's 154 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 4: happening in the world today within your story, and it 155 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 4: fascinated me. I've heard you recount the story of when 156 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 4: you finally, years later after your experience, your citing that 157 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 4: you recalled it and then you were going to meet 158 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 4: with your sister that you had never spoken to about 159 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 4: this sighting and you had in fact yourself forgotten about. 160 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 4: Then when you recall that, you decided to sit down 161 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: and ask your sister, Hey, what happened that day? And 162 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 4: as she was recounting the story to you and saying 163 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: that there were lights and a craft and windows and 164 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: you guys could see this from the ground. You felt 165 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 4: elated to know that this was confirmation it was real. 166 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 4: There was a second witness to your sighting. But then 167 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: her story went on and she diverges. As you were 168 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: laying on the ground out cold. She recounts how she 169 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 4: had risen up into a craft and had what we 170 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 4: would call a classic abduction story. Even though this was 171 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 4: your sister and your close friend, you instantly were like, 172 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 4: wait a minute, this is weird. She's crazy, and you 173 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: yourself were taken back by this story. And I find 174 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 4: it so fascinating because I've also heard you say how 175 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 4: the government will talk about like to the sky and 176 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 4: even now unidentified craft and recordings they have, but the 177 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 4: abduction idea is just too far for them to go. 178 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 4: And yet you felt that personally, So I find that 179 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: an interesting thing. I'd like to see you speak to. 180 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 5: Yes, it certainly was a day I'll never forget. We 181 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 5: have this capacity as human beings to repressed memories. I 182 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 5: joke with people sometimes that if I have other repressed memories, 183 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 5: I don't remember them because they're repressed. For me, having 184 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 5: this siding with my sister was simply overwhelming. And it's 185 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 5: important to differentiate what happened to us, what happened to me, 186 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 5: from what would happen if the exact same thing happened 187 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 5: to a fourteen year old, twelve year old sister. Right now, 188 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 5: I had never really given the subject any thought. I 189 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 5: had lots of other interests as a kid and older 190 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 5: time in collecting rocks and bugs and collecting stamps and 191 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 5: studying history, and it's pretty nerdy and very happy to 192 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 5: be doing those time too. 193 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 4: This wasn't in the pop culture like it. 194 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 5: Is in it to the degree. This was the early 195 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 5: nineteen sixties. And you know, the only way that flying 196 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 5: Saucers UFO resonated in my life then was in the movies, 197 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 5: the black and white movies that I would go to 198 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 5: see at our local village theater with great space monsters. 199 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 5: And you know, it never occurred to me that it 200 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 5: was outside of the realm of what the adult world intuited. 201 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 5: That it's fantasy and it's to be enjoyed and it's 202 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 5: fun stuff. But all of a sudden and a clear 203 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 5: blue sky, there they were coming at high grade to 204 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 5: speed and stopped and I either said helen or look, 205 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 5: and we looked for a long period of time. 206 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 4: Again. 207 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 5: At a certain point, my anxiety was so peaqued you'd 208 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 5: think that this is the most amazing thing you're ever 209 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 5: going to see in your life, and nothing is going 210 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 5: to take your eyes off it. You know they're there, 211 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 5: you're you're you're safe. And in fact, I went through 212 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: a process. I'm sure you've bumped into it in your 213 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 5: work and conversations. I simply call it the checklist reaction. 214 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 5: For me, I went through just rattled off a list 215 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 5: of things in my mind that I knew I wasn't 216 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 5: looking at planes, kites, blints, balloons, helicopters, flotsam and jetsam 217 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 5: from the ground, strange shaped clouds, flumations of birds. Holy moly, what. 218 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 5: And I became more and more uncomfortable because I knew 219 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 5: that flying saucers weren't real, and yet here were these things. 220 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 5: They were like dinner plates, held at a distance from 221 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 5: your face and tipped slightly illiptical. They were all identical. 222 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 5: They were absolutely silent, and around the edge of each 223 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 5: was dotting that we could only read the way you'd 224 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 5: see windows on an airliner and in hypnotic regression with 225 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 5: Bud Hopkins, and also with my first real mentor, a tough, 226 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 5: no nonsense New York City Police detective named Pete Mazzola, 227 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 5: who died much too young, but was that crack investigator 228 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 5: of UFOs as well as a great cob. That my 229 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 5: last adolescent attempt to hold on to something rational was 230 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 5: maybe there's some kind of the exact words I used, 231 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 5: secret government test planes. Yeah, some kind of secret government 232 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 5: test plane, you know. 233 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 4: I would say that today. 234 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 5: It was so overwhelming to me that that memory, within 235 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 5: a matter of a few short weeks, was just tucked away, 236 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 5: and I started to come out of my shellle bit socially, 237 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 5: become more active in school affairs, and do anything possible 238 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 5: to just forget about this. And fourteen plus years later, 239 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 5: and I could go into why I think it happened 240 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 5: right then and there, above and beyond that, I guess 241 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 5: I was ready to deal with it. That memory came 242 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 5: roaring out of my consciousness one afternoon like a freight train. 243 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 5: I've never had anything happen like it before or since, 244 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 5: but it devastated me. I thought I must be going crazy. 245 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 5: I knew it would have been impossible to forget what 246 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 5: I had forgotten, because it was the most amazing thing 247 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 5: I'd seen. But yet I'd forgotten it, and how is 248 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 5: that possible. One thing that I at least thought through 249 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 5: was when I finally calmed down and said, I have 250 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 5: a witness. I didn't. Helen and I met on the 251 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 5: phone for the first conversation we met in real life 252 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: the next day. I lived down in New York City's Chinatown. 253 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 5: She was up in the East Village at Struggling Poet, 254 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 5: and I set the scene rather than described what I remembered, 255 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 5: as you noted the time of day, where we were 256 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 5: standing in proximity to each other, and she just jumped 257 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 5: in mid sentence at a certain point and filled me 258 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 5: in on what I remembered. That's when I had this 259 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 5: split reaction of oh my gosh, it's real and oh 260 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 5: my god, it's real. And one would think that would 261 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 5: have been enough to change your life, certainly a folkrumth 262 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 5: that you would refer back to. But that's when my 263 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 5: sister said something to the fact. I don't remember the 264 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 5: exact words, but it was either there's more and you're 265 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 5: not going to like it. There's more and I don't 266 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 5: know how you're going to feel about it. She said, 267 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 5: I remembered that moment when you kind of peeled out 268 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 5: of my right peripheral vision, and I knew intuitively, you're 269 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 5: running into the house to tell mom about it, which 270 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: was certainly true. And she said, within two or three seconds, 271 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 5: I saw a beam of blue light shoot out of 272 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 5: one of the bottom of these ships. She said, I 273 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 5: was twelve years old, but I'm not an idiot. I 274 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 5: know you can't see a beam of light during the day. 275 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 5: But I saw it, and I turned around, and you 276 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 5: were enveloped in it, and it went off and you 277 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 5: fell down. And that's when I found myself going up 278 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 5: into the air. And what do you mean, Well, I 279 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 5: just lifted off the ground and I started to go up. 280 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 5: I had long hair, as you remember, I could feel 281 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 5: it blown in the distance. I looked down. There you 282 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 5: were lying diagonally, coming from the lawn to the walkway, 283 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 5: right near the front door. I looked at I saw 284 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 5: the top of our house for the first and only time. 285 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 5: And then I looked up and I saw the bottoms 286 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 5: of these things getting larger the same way that as 287 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 5: I was running from the scene and everything went blue 288 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 5: for a moment before everything went black. For me, it's 289 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 5: part of the pattern that so many people experience. It 290 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 5: doesn't make sense, but it's absolutely part of what happens. 291 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 5: Very often. You simply go into a state of she 292 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 5: isn't this interesting? I you know, I'm no longer filled 293 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 5: with anxiety, or just what a nice day it is, 294 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 5: and how gosh, look at that. You know, For me, 295 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 5: it was how beautiful my mother's andranger bushes looked, and 296 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 5: how the ants making hello. You know, it's so And 297 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 5: she said no, she said, I knew if whatever was 298 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 5: happening stopped, I would fall and die. But the next 299 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 5: thing she's relating to me is being walked through a 300 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 5: curved metal hallway by maybe half a dozen or so 301 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 5: small beings in one tall one. And when I asked 302 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 5: her to describe them, she couldn't say, Well, they were gray. 303 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 5: Isn't a tall gray? She said, little doctors with big heads, 304 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 5: big black eyes, who could talk to me in my head. 305 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 4: We need to take a break, Peter. We're going to 306 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 4: pick up the end of the story when we come 307 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 4: back on the other side of the break. And they 308 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 4: were also going to talk to Peter about misinformation and 309 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 4: disinformation and how that all impacts us getting to the 310 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: actual truth of what's happening here. You're listening to Beyond 311 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 312 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 4: podcast network. We are back with Peter Robbins and he 313 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 4: is sharing with us the story that his sister was 314 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 4: recounting to him about actually going through an abduction experience 315 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 4: and being up on a table on a ship. 316 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 5: By the end of our conversation, the only thing we 317 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 5: were unsure of was whether or not we had seen 318 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 5: five or six. And as soon as we got off 319 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 5: the phone, I began work on a very simple drawing 320 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 5: and then a painting of the UFOs in the sky. 321 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 5: I did six so that when my sister came over 322 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 5: the next day, this oil paint, so it was wet 323 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 5: for a long time, but I was able to hold 324 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 5: my hand over the area where that sixth craft was 325 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 5: on the lower right, and as she came in to 326 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 5: look at it in my studio, I removed my hand 327 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 5: and she said, you're right it was five because it 328 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 5: was a balanced V. It wasn't like a check mark. 329 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 5: And really, I said, you know, one of the things 330 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 5: was how come. We have never talked about this. It's 331 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: been more than fourteen years, and you never forgot, she said, 332 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 5: do you remember? Late that afternoon I came up to 333 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 5: you and I said, do you want to talk about this? 334 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 4: And you said what I said? 335 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 5: I said no? She said, dear my brother, I love you, 336 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 5: I respect you. We didn't talk about it. One day 337 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 5: led to the next, led to the next week, month, year, 338 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 5: and here we are. 339 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 4: Wow. 340 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 5: Both our lives changed that day massively, no doubt. 341 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: What about this idea that I was getting to about 342 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: how you feel that the government will talk about craft 343 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 4: and talk about these unidentified things on the video and 344 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 4: your reaction to your sister story, how even you reacted 345 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: to the abduction part of the story. That was almost 346 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 4: a bridge too far, at least for a moment for you. 347 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 4: And you can imagine how people in society today that's 348 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: a little too far. They're open to the lights and 349 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: maybe the craft. But now, wait a minute. Abduction. 350 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 5: When this house dropped on my life, I was completely 351 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 5: unequipped for it, and in any respect except obsession, I 352 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 5: was driven to learn more about what had happened, what 353 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 5: had happened to my sister, And I guess I could 354 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 5: say at that point when the nineteen seventies, when Bud 355 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 5: Hopkins was just beginning to get involved in abduction research 356 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 5: a few other people. Of course, in the Betty and 357 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 5: Barney Hill case, I guess the mantra was it's okay 358 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 5: to talk about the cars, but it's not okay to 359 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 5: talk about the drivers, and the world of UFO studies 360 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 5: was dominated, I guess to a degree it still is 361 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 5: a way by middle aged white guys concerned about being 362 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 5: taken seriously in the world. And it's one thing to say, 363 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 5: I've studied these radar returns, or I'm looking at this 364 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 5: tracee case where this organic material has been affected by 365 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 5: its proximity to this or the witnesses in the neighborhood. 366 00:23:54,359 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 5: But when you start talking about them taking you, it's 367 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 5: it's all of a level. Yeah. I think a lot 368 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 5: of people who think of themselves as skeptics maybe really 369 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 5: are debunkers. There is a mantra for me that I 370 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 5: associate with the bunkers that I mentioned. It can't be 371 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 5: therefore it isn't therefore it's something else. And when you're 372 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 5: confronted with the fact that, oh no, it's not something else, 373 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 5: it is what it can't be and I'm stuck with that. 374 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 5: How do we make this more palatable? Well, right now 375 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 5: we don't. We're in a transitional period, call it a 376 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 5: disclosure process where every day more and more people care 377 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 5: less and less about what other people think about what 378 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 5: they think about UFOs. It's either in culturation. There's a 379 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 5: zillion television shows out there. Everybody knows somebody who takes 380 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 5: it seriously and is worthy of respect. Not like the 381 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 5: old days where it was that one friend of you know, 382 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 5: my flying sauce or friend. And as opposed to, hey, 383 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 5: you know, I was listening to a vilbe on National 384 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 5: public radio the other day, do an interview. It's like, whoa, 385 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 5: this guy is so mainstream Now it's just, you know, 386 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 5: no big deal, except that it is a big deal. 387 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 5: And for every one of these individuals who says, you 388 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 5: know what, there is something here, and whether it's just 389 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 5: as a private citizen having heard this whistleblower on this 390 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 5: congressional investigation or read this book, or listen to a 391 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 5: dialogue between a good friend of mine who knows a 392 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 5: lot about this, and it's happening, but one, two, seven, 393 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 5: eighteen people at a time, real disclosure. Well, you know 394 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 5: Steve Bassett, who really has been such a pioneer and 395 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 5: visionary in establishing I guess the right climate and forums 396 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 5: for this process to continue. The idea that I think 397 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 5: some of us had at the beginning was there will 398 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 5: come a day or night when every world leader pretty 399 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 5: much will time going on television at the same moment. 400 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 5: My fellow Estonians, my fellow Brazilians, my fellow. 401 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: It's my whole world. Like the pandemic, we all experienced that. 402 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 4: There you go, and isn't it interesting. It's like five 403 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 4: years now, within a few days of the pandemic coming down. 404 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 4: I hadn't experienced. Maybe some other people did. 405 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 5: I was coming. I had a ship of a bridge 406 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 5: too far. I had done one last conference, and I 407 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 5: was now waiting for a long time at Doubles International Airport, 408 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 5: which was totally empty for a flight. What I started 409 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 5: to think was, wait a minute, possibly right now, everybody 410 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 5: in the world, pretty much with the exception of you know, 411 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 5: well tens of millions of people, we're all thinking about 412 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 5: the same thing at the same time. That is really 413 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 5: something I have never really thought about, and thinking that 414 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 5: there will be an aspect of disclosure because you can't 415 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 5: put that toothpaste back in the tube. Once it comes out, 416 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 5: that will be like that as well. Boy, that is 417 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 5: a very interesting point you bring up. It's a little 418 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 5: mind blowing right now. Again, we don't have world leaders 419 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 5: going on, you know, major media at the same moment, 420 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 5: but we do have individuals sorting it out as they go. 421 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 5: And sometimes it's just another person that they knew, or 422 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 5: that one account that they saw on ancient aliens that was, 423 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 5: you know, really so compelling and so well done, or 424 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 5: that documentary or that book, or a good friend, just 425 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 5: some who says, I don't you know, We've known each 426 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 5: other for years, but I never told you. I've had 427 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 5: every permutation of it happen, and some of them have 428 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 5: knocked me out of the box to a degree. That 429 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 5: fear of ridicule, that fear of the unknown. If this 430 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 5: is true, well what else is true? And when you're 431 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 5: again coming back to your main point, it's it's okay 432 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 5: for us to talk about lights in the night sky 433 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 5: and even these things is craft from other dimension, other places. 434 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 5: But once we start getting into this thing of them 435 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 5: taking people and all that goes with it, and the 436 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: account was. 437 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 4: Apparent in us that that's scary, whether it be humans 438 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 4: or another race taking us just that whole idea, of. 439 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 5: Course it is. It's being kidnapped. On a certain level. 440 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 5: There are cases where we have to ask ourselves worthies 441 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 5: people return learned literally all the cases I've dealt with 442 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 5: over decades, that has been the case. But we've got 443 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 5: a lot of missing people out there, and that has 444 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 5: become part of the subculture of UFO Studies. Is this 445 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 5: part of that matrix as opposed to residents serial killers 446 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 5: living in all of our state parks. We believe often 447 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 5: in life what we can tolerate believing, and the rest 448 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 5: of it we fudge around a bit to make it 449 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 5: fit and hope that it doesn't jar what we laughingly 450 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 5: call our own reality too badly. 451 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 4: And everybody's got their own paradigm. It's fascinating to learn 452 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 4: that I've learned that over the years of doing this, 453 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 4: how people have their own little paradigm, even among this community. 454 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 4: Look at how all of us have a different view 455 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: of what we think is real. We're going to need 456 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: to take another break there, Peter. When we come back, 457 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 4: we're going to ask you more about this misinformation and 458 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 4: disinformation and how we can get to the truth of 459 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 4: what's happening. Listening to the Beyond Contact show on the 460 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We 461 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Peter Robbins. Peter, unfortunately, 462 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 4: you have personally been involved in multiple cases where there 463 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 4: is at a minimum an uncertainty as to what the 464 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 4: truth is. Your trusting nature and integrity may have backfired 465 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 4: on you, things like your book with Larry Warren left 466 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 4: at the East Gate, where afterwards you realized Larry was 467 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 4: most likely lying about his account. Also, you are in 468 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 4: a documentary recently I called The Manhattan Leen Abduction that 469 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 4: describes Linda I think It's naple Donald's plain to Hannah 470 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 4: thank you, claim to have been repeatedly beamed into a 471 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 4: spaceship from her bedroom. This was chronicled by your friend 472 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 4: Bud Hopkins' book titled Witness, The True Story of the 473 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 4: Brooklyn Bridge Abduction. What is happening here? Do you think? 474 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: Are these people just seeking some sort of fame? Do 475 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 4: they think they're going to get money from this wall? 476 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 4: Are they embroiled in a disinformation campaign? 477 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 5: What is happening in these two particular cases, I think 478 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 5: that's a mischaracterization. Larry Warren was in the Air Force, 479 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 5: was stationed at RIF bent Waters may well have had 480 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 5: UFO related experiences when he was younger, particularly with his mother, 481 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 5: who I extensive interviewed extensively, as well as Bud. Also, 482 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 5: I don't think that was anything that draconian. Larry. He 483 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 5: longed to be a rock and roll musician and be famous, 484 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 5: and that wasn't in the cards. But looking back on 485 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,239 Speaker 5: our lung relationship and on others people's takes of the 486 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 5: information that has come up over the years to counter 487 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 5: some of his claims that he wanted to be famous 488 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 5: for something. It was not part of any conspiracy. It 489 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 5: was not, in my mind anyway, not acting as a 490 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 5: disinformation agent. And it was this event that he inserted 491 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 5: himself into that didn't involve real people, and it's an 492 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 5: important UFO event that got him what he was looking for. 493 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 5: Unfortunately for me, I had never really thought much about 494 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 5: somebody working to intentionally mislead me so that I could 495 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 5: be assisting them into a position of notoriety. 496 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 4: It's a weird thing to be notoriety and fame. I mean, 497 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 4: it's not it seems so silly to me that someone 498 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: would desire this. 499 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 5: Oh boy, I'll say, it doesn't come with a lot 500 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 5: of fun stuff as far as I'm concerned. But that's 501 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 5: the way it is for some people. And he was 502 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 5: very good at what he did. I certainly helped convince 503 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 5: many well known people and many of our readers over 504 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 5: the years that in fact his account was fully authentic. 505 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 5: In fact, it was not. 506 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 4: The problem with this, Peter is a lot of other 507 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 4: people now say to me specifically that see it's they 508 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 4: think they're all. Larry warnes that every one of these 509 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 4: cases is not real. That is disingenuous. 510 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 5: I think they're very much the exception to the rule. 511 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 5: So one of the point you just made, how many 512 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 5: people do you know that want to be famous for 513 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 5: having some strange, isolating, exotic experience happened to them. Maybe 514 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 5: culture is shifting and that's now becoming more acceptable, but no, 515 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 5: I don't think so. Also, that desire to kind of 516 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 5: be a working class hero, a somebody who stands up 517 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 5: to the establishment, and that was certainly part of what 518 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 5: I respected him for going up against the Air Force 519 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 5: Office Special Investigation, the Air Force itself, the National Security agency, 520 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 5: except that even though he was the whistleblower on the case, 521 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 5: it was either secondhand information or it's such a stew 522 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 5: of truth and fiction, innuendo, exaggeration, outright lies. 523 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 4: It's the biggest decision. We don't have enough trouble in 524 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 4: this community understanding what's happening. Now You've got guys like 525 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 4: this with misinformation and disinformation, and it drives me crazy 526 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 4: because we're just trying to get to the truth here. 527 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 4: I wanted to get your opinion on the doctor Greer 528 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 4: idea that this UFO information is housed in an unacknowledged 529 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 4: black project. Therefore it's sort of outside our official government channels. 530 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 4: Therefore it doesn't really matter if we pass any of 531 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 4: these disclosure bills or what Aero says about collecting all 532 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 4: the government documents, because they're not the ones who have 533 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 4: those documents. What do you think about that idea? 534 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 5: I'm pulled both ways. He certainly made contributions to our field, 535 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 5: but at the same time he is on record repeatedly 536 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 5: with outrageous statements like all aliens are good. That's just 537 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 5: insulting to one's intelligence. How could anybody know something like 538 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 5: that empirically or I'm putting forward a number. There are 539 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 5: fifty six different races visiting it discredits all of us 540 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 5: when somebody postulates that. I'd also like to say that 541 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 5: in the case of Witness, the true story of the 542 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 5: Brooklyn Bridge UFO abductions and Linda Politano, that case which 543 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 5: came to Abud in nineteen eighty nine was something that 544 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 5: he worked and studied and investigated for five full years. 545 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 5: I was his assistant all through that period of time, 546 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 5: and I guess, with the sentimental exception of my sister's experience, 547 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 5: this thing that brought me into this, the most important, 548 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 5: the most profoundly well documented, and for me, paradigm shifting 549 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 5: UFO case I have ever worked on or looked into 550 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 5: in my life was Linda's experience. What we saw released 551 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 5: in October as a three part documentary miniseries on Witness 552 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 5: the book but having title having nothing to do with it, 553 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 5: was a travesty. It was a deal that was made 554 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 5: between Bud Hopkins, extremely embittered and now deceased ex wife 555 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 5: who when their marriage broke up. Well, we all know 556 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 5: relationships where one person is going suffered more than another, 557 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 5: But in my life, nobody has come back to trying 558 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 5: to destroy their spouse or the memory of their spouse, 559 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 5: or their credibility more than Carol Rainey did with Bud Hopkins. 560 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 5: And Linda was literally fooled into participating in that so 561 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 5: called documentary which only aim was to just joy her 562 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 5: credibility and her reputation, as I was fooled coming into 563 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 5: that documentary as well. And we are taking Netflix, the 564 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 5: two production companies in England that we were passed through, 565 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 5: and a number of named individuals to court on this. 566 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 5: Whether or not it goes to trial, we don't know 567 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 5: which again is in process right now. 568 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 4: Well, good for you because you know a lot of 569 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 4: these people, a lot of these different cases. We hear 570 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 4: these stories of how production companies or whoever take advantage 571 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,959 Speaker 4: of people and they misrepresent their words, and that of course, 572 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 4: for me, is a very very hard line in the sand. Peter, 573 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 4: we're out of time. I got to stop there, but 574 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 4: I really want to thank you for coming on and 575 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 4: taking the time with us, and I can't wait to 576 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 4: see a contact in the desert. You're going to love it. 577 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to it. Ron. Stay well, we will 578 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 5: be in touch. I will have my abstracts to you. 579 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 5: Shortly and see you in my That sounds great. If 580 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 5: you guys want to find Peter find him. The best 581 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 5: place to get him is on Facebook. 582 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 4: And Peter will reach out to you. You can find 583 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 4: me on Twitter and Instagram at CID Underscore Captain Ron. 584 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 4: Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert dot com. Stay 585 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 4: open minded and rational. Peter agrees with me on that 586 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 4: one as we explore the unknown right here on the 587 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 588 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 589 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 590 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 591 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com