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Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 2: Radio and Welcome to the Drive. It is a chilly

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Speaker 2: Tuesday here in Pittsburgh and the Steelers are preparing for

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Speaker 2: their game AFC Super Wildcard. I don't know why they're

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Speaker 2: super wild.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When did that happen?

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Speaker 2: When they went the second when they went to seven? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's still can't it's it's a wildcard game.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like the what they call the kickoff.

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Speaker 2: Now, the dynamic kickoff. Yeah, we don't need names dynamic,

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Speaker 2: it's still a kickoff. Yeah, wildcard games are wildcard games.

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Speaker 2: I understand there's you know, extra more or whatever, but

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Speaker 2: it's still a wildcard game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wildcard weekend, wild Card weekend. Lots of football upcoming here.

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Speaker 2: Two games. Football can incorporate the college stuff too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: five days in a row doesn't get any better than that.

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Speaker 2: But uh, you've got Steelers at Ravens in the postseason,

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Speaker 2: and Matt, there's a lot to dig into with this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This will be the fourth.

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Speaker 2: Meeting in the postseason between Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 3: That will be.

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Speaker 2: That will make them the second on the all time

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Speaker 2: list in terms of playoff meetings among head coaches.

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Speaker 4: Really, I would have thought there'd be way more than that. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Noel Shoele, Belichick, Dungee.

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Speaker 2: Nol Schuel is not even the that's not even close them.

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Speaker 2: You know number one Wall.

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Speaker 3: I would say maybe Niners Cowboys in the nineties, but

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Speaker 3: there's on No one's long has the longevity there. Noel Madden,

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Speaker 3: Nol Madden. That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: They met five times, the Steelers won three of those,

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Speaker 2: Madden one two and Narrators one two.

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Speaker 3: And it's harder to meet them because there's one less round.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know so, I mean that's legit, big time

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Speaker 4: deep into the playoffs, right, Well, that's wh when.

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Speaker 2: You look at the at the meetings. As I mentioned yesterday,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers now ten and two in rematches in the

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Speaker 2: postseason with divisional opponents.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the third game, right, the first.

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Speaker 2: One didn't happen until nineteen seventy eight when.

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Speaker 4: They play makes sense too. I mean, they start going

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Speaker 4: to the playoffs till early seventy well.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't until nineteen seventy two that they added

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Speaker 2: the wild card ok to that point, it was just

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Speaker 2: at least it could have happened. Yeah, that was it

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Speaker 2: was just your your champions win. Then for along several

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Speaker 2: years there they only took one wildcard team. There were

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Speaker 2: only four teams that made the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Oh, when there were three divisions, there was okay, divisions

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Speaker 4: in a wildcard.

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Speaker 2: Then in seventy seven, I think it was seventy eight,

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Speaker 2: they added the second wildcard team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there was no buys originally. Yeah right, you

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Speaker 4: just played the number one seed got the wild card team. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: so the Steelers a lot of options.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers and Oilers then met in seventy eight. In

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Speaker 2: seventy nine, so seventy eight was the first time that

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Speaker 2: the Steelers played a divisional opponent in the postseason, that

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Speaker 2: coming in THEFC Championship game.

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Speaker 4: Along those lines, my dad and uncle always told me

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Speaker 4: the teams that benefited least from the super Steelers were

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Speaker 4: the Raiders number one and the Oilers.

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Speaker 2: Like the Oilers at the end, the Oilers at the enders.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals actually had some teams early in the seventies

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Speaker 4: But those guys thought the Oilers probably would have got

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Speaker 4: Raiders would have got more for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was Hall of Fame. I mean,

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Speaker 2: drafting Earl Campbell number one not bad. I know you're

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Speaker 2: not supposed to draft running backs and first overall, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Earl Campbell changed the trajectory of the Houston Oilers.

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Speaker 4: I had a great conversation with my eighteen year old

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Speaker 4: is that the hardest guy to tackle you've ever seen?

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Speaker 4: I'm like, Earl Campbell. He's like, really, if you had

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Speaker 4: I would take anyone besides Earl, and he of course

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Speaker 4: YouTube did it and he's like, I see what you're

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Speaker 4: saying that I put his helmet right in your chest

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Speaker 2: And I could stand in Earl Campbell's pants. Yes, thighs

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Speaker 2: would not be my last choice. But I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you look at the division back in some of those days,

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Speaker 4: Speaking Earl Cambe, I think it's the fourth time ever

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Speaker 4: Tennessee that that organization gets a first overall pick.

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Speaker 2: Right to my point. In nineteen seventy five, Steelers went

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Speaker 2: twelve and two. The Bengals were eleven and three. So

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Speaker 2: who's on those Bengal teams that are so good? That's

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Speaker 2: pre Kenny Anderson, right, I think Anderson was there in Okay,

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Speaker 2: seventy so that's and And the Oilers were ten and

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Speaker 2: four that year. Okay, the Browns were three and eleven.

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Speaker 4: But a pretty good division though. Yeah, it's kind of

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Speaker 4: like the NFC North now, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean that kind of stuff happens, and

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Speaker 2: it that's kind of what has happened more in recent

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Speaker 2: took the Steelers until eighty nine before they they went

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Speaker 2: from seventy nine to eighty nine before they played an

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Speaker 2: another divisional opponent in the playoffs. Now, they didn't make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs a lot in the eighties. Yeah, people forget

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Speaker 2: about that. They only had two playoff wins in the

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Speaker 4: Bringing up the wolf for those guys that were part

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Speaker 4: of it, or Merrill or those guys, they never yeah,

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Speaker 4: right right, But that's the reason that chucking all something

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Speaker 4: at the end of the old into the Cowier.

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Speaker 2: So it was eighty nine when they went back and

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Speaker 2: played the Oilers again and knocked them off, upset them

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Speaker 3: Okay, is that the Glanville teams.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember if Glanville was the coach of that

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Speaker 3: It might have been. He might have Warren Moon the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wore Moon. That was the running show receiver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. They threw it all over the place. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was a good team.

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Speaker 2: That was you know, Rod Woodson getting the fumble in

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Speaker 2: overtime and Gary Amberson kicking the game winning field. That

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Speaker 2: was the season if you remember, Steelers got and Wolf

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Speaker 2: will tell you all about that one. The Steelers got

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Speaker 2: out scored ninety four to ten in their first two games.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard that a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to the you know, to the Browns and Bengals

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Speaker 3: Came back and made the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Came back and made the playoffs after getting destroyed. But then,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the nineties, you started seeing it more

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Speaker 2: often than that. You played the divisional opponents. They've they've

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Speaker 2: against the Ravens, right, and the raven thing really adds up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, start two thousand and one was the first

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Speaker 2: one of those meetings. Now, so that's kind of a

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Speaker 4: Thing, right, And there's been two of the best franchises

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Speaker 4: that's the Ben Era, that's the Tomlin hardball ear obviously

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Speaker 4: a lot of Hall of famers, a lot of wins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interestingly enough, the Ravens, well, the Steelers are ten

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Speaker 2: and two in the rematches in the playoffs against anybody. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ravens are two and four.

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Speaker 4: Really well, I guess some of it's a corollaryeah, right, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I always wonder how does that like? Frankly, I don't

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Speaker 4: care who won in nineteen seventy eight or whatever, but

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Speaker 4: like nowadays, that third meeting, does it favor the older coach,

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Speaker 4: the team with the better road line, the better quarterback,

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Speaker 4: the more versatile team, maybe just the healthier team at

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Speaker 4: the time, Who knows. I mean there's probably an individual basis,

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Speaker 4: but is there a theme with those?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think part of it, like Harbaugh

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Speaker 2: in these games, I believe, is one in three in rematch,

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Speaker 2: in any rematch to any kind is one win came

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Speaker 2: against the Steelers in twenty fourteen. He's lost to the

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Speaker 3: They probably played the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: He also played the Bengals, Yeah, at one point, and

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Speaker 2: got beat in that game in a rematch.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it bodes well. I mean, you'd

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Speaker 4: rather that than the other way around. But I don't

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Speaker 4: did you learn so much in the first two games?

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Speaker 4: And I bet, I mean you mentioned this yesterday and

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Speaker 4: many instances where the three games took place in this

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Speaker 3: This is the shortest vision forced in Steelers history.

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Speaker 2: The seventy eight and seventy nine rematches with the Oilers

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Speaker 2: would have been the next closest. The seventy eight game

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Speaker 2: was ten weeks in between. They didn't have a buys

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Speaker 2: back then, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then seventy nine was

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen a lot, well not a lot,

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Speaker 2: Happened to happened to the Steelers in twenty twenty against

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Speaker 4: Starters, okay, and so we'll play again, yeah, which kind

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Speaker 4: of slap in the face too.

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Speaker 3: Everybody went on mind playing.

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Speaker 2: Everybody wants to put that one on the defense, by

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Speaker 2: the way, and the offense went out there and well

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Speaker 2: turned the ball over a bunch of time. Really, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you look at the two games, like I look

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Speaker 2: at the Steelers' recent playoff history, and you were a

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Speaker 2: big underdog last year against the Bills, you were big,

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Speaker 2: probably not winning that game with Mason Rudolphin, right. You

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Speaker 2: were a big underdog in Kansas City. You were favored

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Speaker 2: beaten you earlier in the season. You were you were

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Speaker 2: an underdog, big spreads. Do you remember, I know last

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Speaker 2: year with the Bills game was double digits.

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Speaker 4: No, I was thinking the ones the Steelers were the

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Speaker 4: home games here the Browns and Jags.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Jag. I don't think the Jag.

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Speaker 3: The Jag wouldn't have been over.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Jacks were a good team. They had

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Speaker 4: a really good defense and could run the ball.

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Speaker 2: And yeah yeah, but of of this stretch of games

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Speaker 2: that the Steelers have lost, the Cleveland in Jacksonville games

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Speaker 2: are the ones to me that stand out is something different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean losing in Buffalo last week we were

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Speaker 4: I mean those you're the inferior team. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Which brings me to the nineteen eighty six New York

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Speaker 3: WHOA Okay, I didn't know we're going down that road.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the eighty four draft, Guy.

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Speaker 2: Got smoked in Week twelve losing that game. What was

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Speaker 2: Several starters got injured in that game.

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Speaker 2: Then they followed that up with a seventeen to three

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Speaker 3: By the way. Now, I said, the series weren't a

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Speaker 2: That point, and the Bengals finished off their five game

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, you talk about those games.

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Speaker 2: Their closest loss was by fourteen points in that entire stress, and.

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Speaker 2: They lost five in a row to fall to ten

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: They then went to Cleveland, went to double overtime and

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Speaker 3: That's probably like the Coozar Minifield.

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Speaker 2: Batts and that's when that was right. They went to

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Speaker 3: To the lost l Way the Drive. Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: So that was a good Cleveland team. Absolutely, they were

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Speaker 3: They were good, they were the number one seniors. They

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Speaker 2: The difference for that not only the injuries, but if

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Speaker 2: thirty two turnovers, wow, in eleven games. In eleven games,

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Speaker 2: and it turned it over nineteen times themselves. It was

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: During the losing streak, they turned the ball over eighteen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do it. It's good start.

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Speaker 2: The difference when they got to be bad and they

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Speaker 3: Interesting, I see where you're going with.

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Speaker 4: So I'm sure people understand the Steeler turnover history or

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Speaker 4: protecting the football. I mean, Lamar's thrown very very few picks,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Humphrey is really the only guy that takes it away?

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Speaker 4: I think he has like five or six interceptions? Okay,

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Speaker 3: Humphrey had six interceptions. Yeah, yeah, they had twelve as.

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Speaker 4: But that's definitely been a Lamar versus Steeler problem too,

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Speaker 2: So I said yesterday on this show that the pressure

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Speaker 2: The pressures on them, They got to win a playoff game. No,

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Speaker 2: the pressure's on Lamar.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a double.

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Speaker 3: Digits like in this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're two and four as a two time MVP

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Speaker 4: Only two time MVP to not have a Super Bowl title.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's only twenty seven, but he might also

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Speaker 4: the way, Ravens are plus six Yeers a plus sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where the pressure comes in on this game.

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Speaker 4: They're at home, their favor, they're considered the better team

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's they're not like a flash in the pan type guy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when again, you you know, all three of

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Speaker 2: You know those guys the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, right right, they've all been to the play Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But no, I think it's interesting, like if someone comes

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Speaker 3: But to.

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Speaker 2: Get back to the original point. Yeah yeah, yeah, people said, well,

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Speaker 2: That I guarantee you people were saying the same thing,

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Speaker 3: They're just by the sounds of the thing.

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Speaker 2: The Jets were doing this in New York. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: ninety seven points ninety six point, you know, ninety seven

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Speaker 2: ninety seven I have.

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Speaker 4: Much said that when you were talking through it, but

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to do the math, to be honest

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Speaker 3: Five year moving streak, I bet it was close to

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Speaker 2: They lost, Well, they lost the first one forty five

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Speaker 3: Forty two right right.

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Speaker 2: None of them were closer than fourteen points.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I didn't want to.

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Speaker 2: over one hundred twenty one. That's ninety one, and then

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Speaker 2: Because you got back to doing the things that you

444
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: did that made you ten and one. You didn't become

445
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: a bad team mistakes, right right, You quit making the

446
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 2: mistakes and you started you turn you turn those two

447
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: teams over. You didn't lose the turnover battle badly badly,

448
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 2: but they lost. They went from plus thirteen in their

449
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 2: first eleven games to by the end of the season

450
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,400
Speaker 2: they were plus one. They were minus twelve in those

451
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Speaker 2: five games.

452
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 3: Brutal. You can't do that much steeper than the Steelers. Yeah. Yeah,

453
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 3: So if you.

454
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 2: Know, if the Steelers can get back to forcing some

455
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 2: turnovers in this game, again, I think it goes a

456
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: long way towards getting into Lamar's head. Yeah yeah, and

457
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 2: it again, you sit, you're setting your offense up for

458
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 2: some potentially easy scores.

459
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Speaker 3: And they did turn Henry over to Yeah you know,

460
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 3: but third, it also gets into Lamar's head. Yeah yeah, yeah,

461
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: right right. I go back to the.

462
00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 2: If you go back and watch John Harbaugh's reaction when

463
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: Lamar through the interception that makea Fitzpatrick picked off in

464
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: that second game, and you watch hard and they had

465
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: it on hard Knocks, so it's there if you want

466
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 2: to watch it. And Hardbaugh spent the entire game talking

467
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: about how this was gonna be different. I'm gonna go out,

468
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be mister positive today, mister positive.

469
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: I am.

470
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 2: Everything's positive, everything's positive. And Lamar through that interception, you

471
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: just saw him like a looked at this guy and

472
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 2: go and then he put his hands head down in

473
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: his hands on like, here we go again.

474
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Speaker 3: We can't.

475
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: This happens every time we play these guys.

476
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

477
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and obviously that is absolutely one of the keys.

478
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 4: And see it was are better on special teams too, Yeah,

479
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: that's one of those in the margins.

480
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Speaker 2: Still, I don't know if they have a return guy

481
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: or not. They've they've rattled through a bunch of return

482
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 2: guys because they all put the ball on the ground.

483
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Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't realize that was a problem for him. Oh,

484
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 4: it's been a huge issue for a punt return yeah, okay.

485
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: And kickoff really but they've that's why they've used one, two, three,

486
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 2: four different punt returners. They're on the Steven Simms now okay.

487
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: Uh and one two, three, four or five six different

488
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: kick returners. Wow, they've it doesn't matter who they put

489
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Speaker 2: out there.

490
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Speaker 4: They put the vol in struggling. Yeah, and the kicker

491
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 4: has been bad too. Yeah, back to the kicker real quick.

492
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: He's made three kicks since we've seen him last. I

493
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 4: don't know that he's like out of the woods all us. No,

494
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 4: I mean his year was really bad.

495
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: It was pretty bad.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great player, great all time player, great, all

497
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: time folks. Not making fun of the opponent. We're not

498
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: doing that.

499
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Speaker 4: No, right, if you guys were Ravens fans, you'd be

500
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 4: really concerned about Justin Tuckery.

501
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean you should be absolutely right.

502
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: And that day might come to balls one day, you know, right,

503
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: it happens to everybody. Anyways, Let's get to a break.

504
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Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for second number one. Here, Matt

505
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Speaker 2: and are gonna take a break. We'll be back with

506
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Speaker 2: more right after this.

507
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

508
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

509
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Speaker 1: Gold cass in Steelers Nation Radio.

510
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is

511
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt. I haven't seen an injury

512
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: report yet out of Baltimore or Pittsburgh for that matter,

513
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: but everything is pointing towards Za Flowers not playing in this.

514
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: No good news about it.

515
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, here's the thing. You take Zay Flowers off

516
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 2: the field. Seventy four catches, one thousand and fifty nine

517
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Speaker 2: yards and four touchdowns.

518
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: Pro Bowler this year Pro Bowl.

519
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the next two leading receivers in terms of catches

520
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: in this game are both Steelers.

521
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think you're gonna say both tight ends.

522
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Speaker 2: For about the Ravens, well, the top two pass catchers

523
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Speaker 2: in terms of well for this actually the top two

524
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: pest catchers are Pat Frinmworth and George Pickens.

525
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Speaker 3: Okay, second more catches than any other.

526
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Speaker 2: Sixty five and fifty nine catches For the Ravens, it

527
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: would be then Mark Andrews with fifty five and Rashaud

528
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Speaker 2: Bateman with forty five.

529
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Speaker 3: Not shocking.

530
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Speaker 4: I did a lot of background stuff on these guys,

531
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 4: Like Bateman had a nice game this past week.

532
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Speaker 3: I think he had four catches. Yeah, the two.

533
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 4: Games before that he had one catch each, right, Yeah,

534
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 4: I thought he was a little more productive week the week. Andrews,

535
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 4: we know, started slow, but I think he's kind of

536
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 4: hit his stride. Yeah, but Flowers was really important to

537
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 4: those guys. I mean really a lot of manufactured touches,

538
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 4: a lot of after the catch explosive almost right right,

539
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 4: and he can get over the top.

540
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player. I mean he's a really

541
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: good player.

542
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Speaker 2: Give him some more of it motion and throw it

543
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: out there to him. And yeah, and we mentioned this

544
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: earlier in the week too. I mean I would imagine

545
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: if he's out, Bateman and Porter are going at it

546
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: every time.

547
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't trust their other receiver. That's why

548
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 4: they got the Aunty Johnson didn't work out, you know.

549
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: Right, if I mean, if you look at it, then

550
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: Nelson Aguilar moves into the number three role. He had

551
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Speaker 2: fourteen catches all season long.

552
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just a guy.

553
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: Tyler Wallace up a spot. Eleven catches for one hundred

554
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Speaker 2: and ninety three yards, and remember eighty four of that

555
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: was one in that angle. Yeah, yeah, that he just

556
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: broke a tackle and ran down the sideline. It was

557
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: a bad job by the Bengals in it. So his

558
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 2: other ten catches went for one hundred and ten yards.

559
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Speaker 4: So if you look at it through the Ravens perspective,

560
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 4: I mean we know they're really low eleven team anyway, Yeah,

561
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 4: which was I thought it was a little odd when

562
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 4: they got Deonta, but it made sense because they don't

563
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 4: want this to happen, right, I Mean that's why.

564
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: They was a lot different or be feeling all that.

565
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Speaker 2: If Deontay Johnson hadn't said I can't.

566
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Speaker 4: If he was happy and playing like he was here

567
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 4: and what they thought they were buying, which wasn't true.

568
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: He was basically there's a flowers Yeah, placement potential, yeah, yeah, exactly,

569
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Speaker 4: you know, just loading up with depth going into the playoffs.

570
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Speaker 3: So do you just go big? I mean they do anyway.

571
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Speaker 3: Ricards played like forty five.

572
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Speaker 4: Percent of the snaps something like that, and likely he's

573
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Speaker 4: a weapon, Andrews is a weapon. I mean, do you

574
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: just go big? And Steelers in base the whole time?

575
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Speaker 2: I would guess, I mean you may play some nickel, right,

576
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: but probably not a ton.

577
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't think. I mean, I would think if they're

578
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Speaker 4: going to come out with in twenty two with recard

579
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: and two tight ends or twelve without recard, Henry's be

580
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: on the field a lot, but he's not third down back.

581
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, the skill guys are not as gets.

582
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 4: It gets a little convoluted, right, yeah.

583
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out you know, you're you're playing chess

584
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: with without your queen and you know.

585
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: Who's your You always got to worry about who's your

586
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: chipper for what? And those guys too, which is usually

587
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 4: coler and they'll play a fair amount of thirteen but

588
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 4: not like the Steelers.

589
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, so you look at it, Coler and Recard.

590
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: Now Cohler was hurt some, he's back now.

591
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

592
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Speaker 2: Nine catches for one hundred and thirty one yards for Coler.

593
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Speaker 3: Those guys don't touch the ball. Yeah yeah. Ricard had

594
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: three touches all season that it's crazy. Yeah, like he doesn't.

595
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: They don't even throw in the football anymore.

596
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: No, he's a guard.

597
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a guard that lines up all over the field.

598
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: I wouldn't to see what his snap count is because

599
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Speaker 4: it's pretty high.

600
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Speaker 3: Where did I have that? But I'll dig it up,

601
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: But it's real high.

602
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 4: Actually, he plays a very high percentage and he's a

603
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: really interesting guy to play against. But Greg Coasell talks

604
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 4: about this all the time when he talks about the

605
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 4: Bengals offense. He's like, they're the only team that willingly

606
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 4: only plays with four skill guys. I mean, I mean

607
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 4: a very regular amount, and it's an odd way of

608
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 4: doing things.

609
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Speaker 2: If you look at it and look, Andrews and Likely

610
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: are two good tight ends.

611
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, too likely.

612
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: Between the two of them, they had ninety seven catches

613
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: for just over one thousand yards.

614
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: If you look at the Steeler tight ends.

615
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Speaker 2: They finished the season with ninety six catches for nine

616
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three yards and ten touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it's a pretty good Piermans. Come on.

618
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Speaker 2: Strong's one of the interesting things about the playoffs as

619
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Speaker 2: a whole, much like it was last year.

620
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you did some homework on this.

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Speaker 2: Twelve of fourteen teams in the postseason either had a

622
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: tight end catch fifty or more passes or would have

623
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: had a guy catch fifty passes if he had stayed healthy.

624
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Speaker 2: Kinkaid didn't get there. He finished with forty two was

625
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: it forty three catches in thirteen games? Forty four catches

626
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: in thirteen and I don't think they're thrilled with him.

627
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: Hawkinson had forty one catches in ten games.

628
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Speaker 3: So he already played, but he would have missed half

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Speaker 3: the season.

630
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Speaker 2: He missed the first two games. Remember we're kind of slow.

631
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: He would have been over over that number. And so

632
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: really the only two teams and then Goddard also didn't

633
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: quite get there, but he.

634
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: Was like per game. All those guys were productive. He

635
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 4: just didn't play enough games.

636
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: The Broncos and Rams are really the only two teams

637
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: that don't feature their tight end at all in their offenses.

638
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: I'd say the Chargers or border Line Distey had fifty catches.

639
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: He's more than you, more involved than you think.

640
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 4: And what's so smart? Yeah, he's also coming on too. Yeah.

641
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 4: I found it interesting because who did the Chiefs beat

642
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: in the AFC champion was at the Bills to be

643
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: to go to the go to the Super Bowl last year?

644
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 4: Where the final four teams, I know, the final fourteen,

645
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: it might have been the final for the two teams

646
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 4: in the NFC were Laporta and Kittle. It was Kelsey

647
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 4: in the AFC and it was either Kim Kate or Andrews.

648
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: I should know off the top of my head, but

649
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: I don't. But they were like the three most productive

650
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 4: tight ends in the league last year. Yeah, Kittle, Kelsey

651
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 4: and Laporta. And I remember us having a conversation about

652
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: it even a year ago that basically there aren't many

653
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: really good tight ends that don't have a lot of wins.

654
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: And we'll see about Bowers, we'll see about McBride. But

655
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: like over the course of Kittle's career, he's won an

656
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 4: awful lot of games. Over the course of Kelsey's career,

657
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: won a ton of games. Gronkowski is the best tight

658
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: end I've ever seen. He won a bazillion games. Like

659
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: sometimes it's not me, it's you. I mean sometimes like

660
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: you give me that guy puts you over the top.

661
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying friar Mouse Goronkowski, but I think friar

663
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Speaker 4: Mouth needs. We do these three keys.

664
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Speaker 3: With Rob King.

665
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Speaker 4: One of mine's going to probably be Firemouth, you know,

666
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 4: getting him heavily involved.

667
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: Especially if I mean you're talking anywhere three to It

668
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: was the Ravens that they beaten.

669
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Speaker 4: And Andrews had I remember all four of those guys

670
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 4: being really strong.

671
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

672
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: But you know, if you look at it, it's supposed

673
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: to be snow in the in the forecast on Saturday,

674
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: anywhere from three inches to eight inches.

675
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Speaker 3: Wow. I would assume even if the snow has stopped.

676
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: It's still going to be cold and windy in Baltimore

677
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: right on the You're right on the harbor there, And

678
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons why the Ravens

679
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: kind of do things that they do. I mean, they've

680
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: always had either a chain mover at a wide receiver position,

681
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: the Derek Mason's.

682
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: Or themis and h Yeah.

683
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, a guy who's not necessarily going to be down

684
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: the field, but he's going to be there to get

685
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: you ten yards when you need ten yards.

686
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: A lot of them are veterans they plucked off another team,

687
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: right or.

688
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: In this case, they've done it with the tight ends

689
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: because they know where they play.

690
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: At absolutely So they drafted two tight ends the same

691
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: year they.

692
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: Drafted Lamar one ahead of them, one behind them, and

693
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: quickly found out that was Lamar's early best friends too,

694
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: was the middle of the field. Now he's advanced as

695
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: a passer. But yeah, it is interesting how they they're built.

696
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: I mean, they use offensive personnel a lot different than

697
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 4: anybody else.

698
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's hard to play against.

699
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: It does, and you know, one of the things that

700
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: a lot and one of the things that Mike Tomlin

701
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: mentioned is like, look, it's not necessarily hard or easier

702
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: to play a team harder or easier to play a

703
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: team three times and hardbas said basically the same thing

704
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: he said. But what it does it gets you down

705
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: into the more coaching because now you've got to try

706
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: to figure out something schematically that's going to be different

707
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: schematically for the Ravens offensive. Anyways, Without having Flowers out there,

708
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: there's not a lot you can do.

709
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: I mean, they're not going to be like, well, our

710
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: new wrinkle was we're going to live in three wide. Yeah,

711
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: everybody's been to be great.

712
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: Everybody's been beating the Steelers with the three wide and bunch.

713
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: Quick stuff right right, And no day Flowers is a

714
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 4: good quick hitter under two point five type of guy too,

715
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 4: and thought of that angle too. I mean in terms

716
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: of the getting the ball out quick, that's how everyone's attacking.

717
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: Lamar can do that.

718
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, but taking Flowers out of that's not that's

719
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: not Bateman.

720
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: No, no, no, And it's definitely not agal Are and

721
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: tight ends that's hard to pull off.

722
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're not gonna get much run after

723
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: the catch if you throw a tight end no four

724
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: yard past you shouldn't.

725
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 4: Any reasonlikely in those guys. They're not gonna rumble for

726
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: big YARDI is probably Yeah.

727
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 2: So, I mean they're kind of missing a key ingredient

728
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: in this game, a.

729
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: Key ingredient, key chess piece. It's not like anyone else

730
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: on the team. Yeah, that's the thing is maybe they

731
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: would even rather lose Andrews. Yeah, because at least they

732
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: have other type likely and color and right, we can

733
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: recard it up a little bit more, but Flowers is

734
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: really important to them.

735
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

736
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: So I don't know that that's being talked enough in

737
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: this situation.

738
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: You know, as the ether's waiting for the injury reports

739
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: officially come out. But it sure doesn't sound good.

740
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: Everything that I'm seeing and hearing him from it is

741
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: like he's not gonna it.

742
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: Sounded like that. Who's the game ended? Yea.

743
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: And even if he does happen to play, how much

744
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: cutting is he gonna do on a spray knee.

745
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: On a not great field probably too, with weather and

746
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: snow and all that stuff too. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,

747
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: he's not a mutter.

748
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: No, no, he is a race car.

749
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: He is, uh and a good one.

750
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: No, he is.

751
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: He'd be high on their list of guys to not

752
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: to lose.

753
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: He's a very Again, that's why they went out and

754
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: got Deontay because Deontay is the most like Flowers of

755
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: anybody that they've had on their roster this year, and

756
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: they don't have.

757
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: That and more of a man coverage beat or two.

758
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: It's kind of the same reason the Steelers went and

759
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: got you know, a player like Mike Williams. Williams because

760
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: he's the closest thing to George Pickens that you you know, yeah,

761
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: gonna replication you number one.

762
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: Two of them on the field a little bit more,

763
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: I do.

764
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: I think Williams is kind of getting the point now

765
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: where we got him here for a reason. He's starting

766
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: to pass some tests playoff time, at the playoff type

767
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: of move.

768
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: You know, he's a mismatch, you know, I you know,

769
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: even if he just goes out there is big.

770
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: Against Wiggans and those guys.

771
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, and he had three catches in the

772
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: first meeting or the last meeting, I should say, with

773
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: these guys. Yeah, so you know Pickens, remember Pickens missed

774
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: that game.

775
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: Okay, right right right, And they're not a one for one.

776
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: But I'd like to see them out there together, yeah.

777
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah together. I mean it's like it's like, yeah, I'm

778
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: gonna go to the chessboards. There's those two rooks at

779
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: the end of the board there.

780
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: Okay, and you know Russell, I mean one of them

781
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 4: is always gonna get one on one and he'll throw

782
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: the deep ball to either right on one. You know,

783
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: I don't think he'll hesitate on that.

784
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's going to be the again the interesting

785
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: zig slash zag game planning of this one. As you again,

786
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: you're not fooling any The personnel is the personnel. You

787
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: know the strengths, you know the weaknesses. Yeah, Now it's

788
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: a matter of scheming things up.

789
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: What little things can we do to yea, get them

790
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: off guard or try try to throw a loop in things.

791
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 4: I think a big part of it, too is special teams.

792
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

793
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: I don't watch special teams film. I'm not smart about

794
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: special teams. But I bet both coordinators and instances like this,

795
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 4: especially Danny knowing his style, is going to have a

796
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: kickblock that they've never seen before, a punt block they've

797
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: never seen before. It's maybe an odd return, you know,

798
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: maybe once someone does something goofy, like does a reverse

799
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: on a kick return. You know, just this is a

800
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: game that we haven't done.

801
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: This is a game that all these these little plays

802
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: that you've been working on all season long.

803
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: As I say, it's been spend in your playbook, can

804
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: be practiced it, but you haven't used it, right, right?

805
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: Why would we saving it four?

806
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: Now? Use it now?

807
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: Yep?

808
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I remember I gotten all kinds of issues. I

809
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: should say in eight, the Steelers all season long have

810
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 2: worked on a basically a wildcat package.

811
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: Stap it a running back.

812
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, hadn't used it all season long. And just I'm

813
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: doing a bunch of radio shows this Super Bowl week

814
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: and I just mentioned him passing that, you know, we're

815
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: somehow we got on that subject and I mentioned him passing, Oh,

816
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: you know that happens. The Steelers have worked on this

817
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: wildcat package all season long, they haven't used it. Lo

818
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: and behold in the Super Bowl they come out and

819
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: snap direct snapped them and Weldy More and he gets

820
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: blown up, and that people were coming at me. Oh

821
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: you I'm like, I trust me. They weren't listening to

822
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: you know.

823
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: I doubt they changed their practice script because of two sentences.

824
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: At that point eight. Everybody at some point had used

825
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: yeah wow yeah, right right. It wasn't the surprise that

826
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: it was now when the Dolphins started throwing Ronny Brown

827
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: started that stuff.

828
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: You know, about five years before that.

829
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: It was also I mean, no offense and Weldy More.

830
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: But it was Moldy More in the wildcat. It wasn't

831
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: Ronnie Brown.

832
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: It wasn't the most dangerous guy out there.

833
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 4: Raven Zoo with Derrick Henry snap to him is a

834
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 4: little scarier than the most.

835
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

836
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: So anyways, you just thought that the tight end stuff

837
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: in this year's play offs, it's starting to be a.

838
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: Theme in the league. It really is. I mean it's

839
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 3: a really important piece.

840
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: I mean the top teams have them, and the top

841
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: of tight ends win a lot of games.

842
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so when tight ends, when Brock Bauers goes

843
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: into top ten of the draft this year, it's not

844
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: not that so paid off.

845
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

846
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe they did want a quarterback, but they're not

847
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: unhappy with the guy that got no, not at all. Now,

848
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 4: that'd be a good test. Can the Raiders win a

849
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: lot of games with him? Or they got a long

850
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: way to go? Fired their coach five minutes ago.

851
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk more about that when we come back.

852
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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

853
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt

854
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Speaker 2: and I'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 3: At least.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

857
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,400
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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolli. He is

860
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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and this is the drive on the

861
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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio network. Well, Black Friday started Black Monday, I

862
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: should say, started yesterday in the NFL.

863
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: And trickling then, though usually it's a title wave. Still.

864
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: Some more firings are the uh well the Raiders uh

865
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 2: being the latest one today fired a head coach Antonio Pearce,

866
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator Luke Getzi back on the streak eight again,

867
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: quarterback coach Rick Scanderello, and offensive line coach James Craig

868
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 2: all fired. I would assume that some other.

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00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah it was one or what how the others survived?

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00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they're gonna let the let the.

871
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: The defense ended up playing pretty strong at the end.

872
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just let the new coach decide that. Yeah.

873
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

874
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans have fired general manager Ran Karthin after just

875
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: two seasons. The Colts fired defensive coordinator Gus Bradley.

876
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: That was an easy one.

877
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: The Seahawks fired offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb.

878
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: Really after one year. I didn't that must have just

879
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: happened or I missed it.

880
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: Lou Ana Roumo got the acts in Cincinnati. They defensive coordinator.

881
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: The Jacksonville Aguars have fired head coach Doug Peterson, head

882
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 2: coach Jared Gerrod Mayo gets the acts in New England.

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00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: That happened like a minute after the game.

884
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: That's gonna be Mike Rabel, I would.

885
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: Think, I would assume.

886
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Browns have fired offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey and

887
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: offensive line coach Andy Dickerson.

888
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: That's the first year guy too.

889
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course the Bears let go of Matt

890
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: eber Flusen, Shane Waldron, you get Dennis Allen gone, and yeah, yeah,

891
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: those dozens we already knew. Uh So, a lot of openings.

892
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: Now for some think there's five, six, six, now six, Okay,

893
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: it might be done, could be. Yeah, Dallas hasn't gotten

894
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: the stamp of approval yet. I thought the Giants were

895
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: in trouble and they're gonna survive. Miami been thrown out there.

896
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: But they're saying Miami and New York, the Giants, both

897
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: the owners both put out yeah, saying everybody's safe.

898
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: We're yeah.

899
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not like it's week ten whenever. That's like

900
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: the kiss of death. Yeah, the Michael Corley only kiss.

901
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's a tough situation though, because especially if

902
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: for the Giants, you don't have a quarterback, no, and

903
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: so you're gonna go into this offseason without a quarterback

904
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: and you may not be high enough where they I

905
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: think they're picking third. I think so they're gonna have

906
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: to probably trade up to get right if they want

907
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: one of the top two quarterbacks in this draft. Now

908
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: Jaln Milroe could change that.

909
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit. Yeah, that's true.

910
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 4: Well, the first two picks are Tennessee, who just fired their.

911
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: GM and probably needs a quarterback.

912
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: I would imagine they're going to get a GM that

913
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: has a history of drafting good quarterback.

914
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

915
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I assume that goes hand in hand. They

916
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: also spend a lot of money in free agency last

917
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 4: year to come in first overall in the draft. Yes,

918
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: owners don't like that. No big spending off season gets

919
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 4: you the worst team in the league.

920
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: Not good.

921
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: New England's safe in terms of quarterbacks. But I would

922
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: assume the Browns too. I would assume the Browns are

923
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: going to be very much in the.

924
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: Market, so you know, you top two, if there's two

925
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: top two placeholders, would then take likely those top two quarterbacks.

926
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: That doesn't leave anybody for the Giants unless again, Jlen.

927
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: Let's say Jaylen Milroe goes to the combine and he's

928
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: gonna do it.

929
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 4: From here here forward? Is gonna be up his alley. Yeah,

930
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: he's gonna test.

931
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: Well, and you know the next thing then will also

932
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: be interviews. Does he interview?

933
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: Well?

934
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I hadn't thought of them in that light,

935
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 4: like a top five overall pick, but that's how this

936
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: process works.

937
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: There's some other guys who've gone top five, including to

938
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: the Giants with Daniel Jones, that.

939
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield, Carson Wentz. I mean when the regular season ended,

940
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: we were not talking about them being the first couple

941
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 4: of picks in the draft.

942
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of them, right, So that's gonna

943
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: be the decision they have to make. And if it

944
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: is say a mill Roe or you know, they go

945
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: the veteran wash out type, let's say they you know,

946
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: go get Kirk Cousins.

947
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

948
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: Is that gonna be enough to save those guys jobs again?

949
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: Again? And I don't know. I icy.

950
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: The quarterback musical chairs is not great right now at all.

951
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 4: I mean, especially if Darnold goes back to Minnesota. I mean,

952
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: he's the prize free agent. Yeah, I think Minnesota fields

953
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 4: offers for McCarthy.

954
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not sure. If I'm the Giants, I can

955
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: give you.

956
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: The fourth pick for him, but maybe, I mean, if

957
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: there's nothing else, I can't go in with what I got.

958
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I just smell a lot of.

959
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: These teams overdrafting or overspending or overpaying for quarterbacks. You know,

960
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: Like if I'm the Browns, I'd listen if you're gonna

961
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: give me a ton to go from four to two

962
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 4: to take Sanders, who I might like but not love.

963
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

964
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: I need everything, and I'll get a quarterback next year.

965
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 4: Not like Watson's the answer, But I don't.

966
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: Know I can. For the Browns, They're married to Watson.

967
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: He's gonna be on the team.

968
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 2: There was news at at Andrew barry He's final press

969
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: conference or GM that Watson had a setback in his achilles.

970
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: With his achille surgery.

971
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what that means is I mean, they

972
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: can't to be conning on him to be the open

973
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: It can't be good right right out to have a

974
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 4: setback at this point, because mean you're half a season

975
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: out from.

976
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: I keep thinking they're going to tell him never to

977
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: dress again.

978
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: Well they really they adjusted the contract I know.

979
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: Which makes no sense to me either.

980
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: Which would then give them, you know, the ability to

981
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: go out and maybe get a veteran reacher at Kirk

982
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: Cousins Derek Carr if he becomes available, and try.

983
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 4: To think give PR Carr away with their caps issues.

984
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 4: But like, are people going to look at Daniel Jones

985
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 4: as the next Donald? Maybe say that might be a

986
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: rout people, I wouldn't take it.

987
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I mean I like Donald coming out more

988
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: than Jones.

989
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: I like Donald a lot more.

990
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

991
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: Donald was my number one quarterback in that Yeah.

992
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean even like Baker has really taking things

993
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 4: to a new level. I mean, people to look at

994
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 4: retreads like that. I don't know, because it's hard to

995
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: really come up with thirty two starters and maybe like

996
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 4: the fields of the World benefit, they're sitting back going,

997
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 4: well maybe I can get five million more now.

998
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean.

999
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: It's hard to if we sat down and said, all

1000
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: thirty two teams, let's project who their starter is going

1001
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: to be, there's be three or four that don't have

1002
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: hardly anything. You don't want to be stuck in that, right,

1003
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: that's not a good place.

1004
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: Like I wouldn't mind if I were the Saints, per

1005
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: se and just eat your vegetables all year, Maybe get

1006
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: the first overall pick by accident next year at this

1007
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 4: time and clear all your cap space and know that

1008
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 4: that whoever your coach is is in for that.

1009
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, because they've they've matched out their credit

1010
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: cards for years, right, right, years?

1011
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 4: Just one year eating your vegetables, you know, and then

1012
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 4: turn car into a second round pick or something.

1013
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: You know. I don't know if you get a two

1014
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: for Derek Carr, giants give you a two.

1015
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: Based on what he's making too, like that that's a

1016
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: tough right, not young and he's expensive, Like.

1017
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: They're just not thirty two of them out there.

1018
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: They might have give me a fourth round. Here, we're

1019
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: gonna give you Derek Carr and a fourth round draft

1020
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: pick to take him off our hand. Again, it's a

1021
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: cap cap.

1022
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: Right, right, I mean they you know the cap relieve

1023
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 4: they can get. Yeah, yeah, so I don't. But you

1024
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: start doing the math. I mean, obviously there's fifteen to

1025
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: twenty teams.

1026
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: That are obvious borrow, etcetera.

1027
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: But I just don't see how many names. I just

1028
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: don't see this as being a great quarterback.

1029
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 4: Drin No, no, again, I don't know enough about the draft.

1030
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: But are Warden Sanders the best two players in this

1031
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: draft or no?

1032
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: They if they were.

1033
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: I don't think Warden Sanders even close to being the

1034
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: top two yearsiness draft.

1035
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: If they came out last year where they've been top

1036
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 4: four quarterback taken, I don't think.

1037
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: I don't think so yet.

1038
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 4: I would, I know, I have a year of knowledge

1039
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: on it, but I'd take Nick's over either one of them.

1040
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 4: I'd take Panix over e the one of them, and

1041
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: hardly sign those guys that might take McCarthy over both

1042
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: of them. That's why I'm saying the Bikes might be

1043
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 4: able to I don't know. But he's come off an injury, right, Yeah.

1044
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: So it's interesting, and you know, we may hear some

1045
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: other things trickling out here is.

1046
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 4: And obviously this affects the Steelers too. They don't have

1047
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 4: a don't a guy under contract right right? They don't

1048
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: have one period. Yeah, So that's where you're at with

1049
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 4: all that.

1050
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: But let's get to a break that's going to do

1051
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: it for our number one of the drive here on

1052
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back with

1053
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,480
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