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Speaker 2: But anyway, Lava for Good and Stand Together in Music

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Speaker 2: Present The War on Drugs Podcast, Season two. This season,

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Speaker 3: A better path forward.

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Speaker 2: Today on the show, Grammy nominated musician, singer, songwriter, guitarist,

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Speaker 2: and addiction. Mister Marcus King, all right, welcome to another

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Speaker 4: We back at it, We back added.

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Speaker 5: Season two is running strong and we lean on our

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got all your comments and reviews from the

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Speaker 3: We understand that's what they said.

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Speaker 4: That's what they say, But you know, what like, it's

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Speaker 4: not about us. It's true. It's about the issue.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 4: It's about the people. So you need to hear from.

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Speaker 2: It if our feeling is going to hurt in the process.

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Speaker 4: But without us, you wouldn't. You wouldn't have heard these stories.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 4: You might have heard a story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't kill the messenger the messenger exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like where your heads. I really do like

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Speaker 3: where your heads out there, Clayton.

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Speaker 4: Where we had to day? This one you did solo?

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Speaker 4: This one was awesome.

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Speaker 2: It combines a concert that I got to go to.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to hate on you doing it solo, but

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Speaker 3: He's dealt with addiction, he's dealt.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, California Sober as much like a California King Bed.

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Speaker 4: Got it, all right?

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Speaker 2: So we're here, Marcus King new albums, mood Swings, Tours,

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Speaker 1: I hadn't missed any days, you know, my dad dropped

438
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 1: me off. I'd go to school, I come home, so

439
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,959
Speaker 1: I didn't have any issues with truancy. But because I

440
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: was a student in the household, I had to also

441
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: fill out this story. So this carried over me like

442
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: a dark cloud for my entire you know, academic career,

443
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: I guess, however you want to put it. Until I

444
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: was in eleventh grade and they were like pressuring me

445
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: so much, just like to not be late or you know,

446
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: all these other kids would you know, I don't know.

447
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: It just felt really like they were really trying.

448
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: To pressure like any Yeah, you're.

449
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: Just constantly on probation.

450
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's always great for someone with anxiety and yeah.

451
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 5: It was.

452
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: It was just yeah, man, I mean I still have like,

453
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, panicked dreams about it, and like, you know,

454
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: they were trying to put me into like a reform

455
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 1: school and they wanted to shave my head and I

456
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: was like, man, I was five minutes late. Yeah for

457
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: the bell, I don't really you know, it was really

458
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, they were really nasty with me until I

459
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: was like, I can't do this anymore. I'm gonna drop out.

460
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: And I dropped out of high school. And when I

461
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: made the decision to drop out, they said, you're gonna

462
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: end up in prison. You know, you're a drug addict.

463
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not, you know what I mean,

464
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: But if you won't see me show my ass, I will.

465
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: Then I went out and I did. I showed my

466
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: ass for a long time because that's what they expected

467
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 1: of me. Why would I let them down?

468
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

469
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people go through that,

470
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: and we see that in the criminal just system, where

471
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: that mark like carries with you and you get a

472
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: minor drug conviction or something else and now you can't

473
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: get food stamps or you can't get housing. You know,

474
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: do you know of anyone took in the music industry,

475
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: you know, if you're so in cannabis, like the laws

476
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: are different, like potentially you know there's risks with that.

477
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: Do you know of anyone yourself, like those types of

478
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: run ins doing that and like how that's impacted careers

479
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: and other things out in the music instrie or just

480
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: bodies of yours.

481
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'd say, like, you know, the music community has

482
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: always kind of been a safe haven, yeah, for those

483
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: who are outside thinkers, and it's always inspiring to see

484
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: folks like yourself get invested in and something that we've

485
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: always kind of seen to be is an issue, things

486
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: like like what you were mentioned trying to give food

487
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: stamps or get affordable housing, and I mean it really

488
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: is an issue.

489
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's a huge thing.

490
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of going back into music a little bit,

491
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: like how much of that do you take of?

492
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 3: Like you're not in prison, you're not dead, thank god, you.

493
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: You know, have something like that, like how do you

494
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: if someone's not a musician doesn't see that kind of

495
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: path of like there's a guitar, there's about you know,

496
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: there's microphone or something like that. Like you at ten,

497
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: like how do you how do you how do you

498
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: get someone to like feel that creativity or stuff like that.

499
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there isn't innate nature to it. I see

500
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: it like with my nephews, and like, you know, I

501
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: feel like as we progress as a culture, you know,

502
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: there's more distractions to get you away from this. Like

503
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: completely truly analog outlook that I had growing up. That's

504
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: all I had. I didn't have any friends or devices

505
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: to occupy my time. And you know, we were I

506
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: guess what you would call now latchkey kids. You know,

507
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: so I was just alone, or I was with my

508
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: grandparents and you know, they would just be hanging. You know,

509
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: there wasn't much going on, so I just just play

510
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: guitar all day. I had a good bit of trauma

511
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: that you know, contributed to the creative process as well.

512
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: But everybody's got, you know, the ability to channel their

513
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: energy and their trauma and all that into a creative outlet.

514
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, I mean, if you could

515
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: channel all that pain and strife into a creative outlet,

516
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: then you're less likely to go postal.

517
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, the environment of music for

518
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: a lot of people going to festivals and going to

519
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: rocksha is like, that's a trigger for them to do

520
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: things that they probably shouldn't.

521
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: Like, how do you still enjoy those things?

522
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 5: Right?

523
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: Well? For me, yeah, I mean you're You're absolutely right.

524
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: All the things I enjoy tend to be bad for me,

525
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: so I try to I try to incorporate healthy activities

526
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: into my life, and that could be really challenging in

527
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: the line of work that I do. So you know,

528
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: eating late night it's no good, so I try to

529
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: stop eating at five o'clock. I don't drink anymore, so,

530
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, after the gig, I'm like, God, I could

531
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: eat a whole pizza. I could drink about eighteen beers,

532
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: you know, polish off half a leader of liquor with

533
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: my boys, and I have a great time, you know.

534
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: But I mean, even even before I quit drinking entirely,

535
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: I quit drinking before shows because I feel like I

536
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: owe it to my audience and and to myself because

537
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: it is such a release. Like playing you know, fucked

538
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: up was never something that was rewarding to me. It

539
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: was something I did when I was and I was

540
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: really good at it, you know, but it was because

541
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: I was in a really broken state. But you know

542
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: now sometimes it is it is challenging to just feel

543
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: like I get off the stage, I'm like, you might

544
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: as well just put me in a road case because

545
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do anything next show. I'm just gonna

546
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: go sit on the bus and have my diet coke

547
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: and you know, watch a movie. I'm not doing anything crazy.

548
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I've tried to like go out because

549
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: like the temptations not enough to make me break. I've

550
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: got a really strong whellpower. That's a blessing and that's

551
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: something that's you know, just innate with my family, and

552
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, even going out like it's just there's no

553
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: desire to do it because you got people clamoring on you,

554
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: and you find that your tolerance for for drunk individuals

555
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: goes really.

556
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: Fun, probably goes down the roof. Yeah, when you're not

557
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: the drunk individual too. Yeah, I could see that. How

558
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: long you've been married, I've been.

559
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: Married going on two years two years now.

560
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: How is that kind of impacted?

561
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: Has that kind of helped like having that stability kind

562
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: of in your life? Like how how has that kind

563
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: of change everything and helped you along the ride or

564
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 2: made it different? How is like your relationship with her

565
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: like pouring right now, Like how has that changed, like

566
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: when you're calling back, when she's coming on the road

567
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: with you or anything else.

568
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: So I met my wife a day after I stop

569
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: doing cocaine actually, so I was in you know, some

570
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: pretty rough shape, but I was still drinking heavily. And

571
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: I was really nervous to meet her because I met her,

572
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, I was I was really fucked up at

573
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: five in the morning and she had been at my

574
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: show and.

575
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: Charlotte Marcus just reciting his wedding vows right now, by

576
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: the way, Yeah, he just pulled out started going yes.

577
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Laws, the in laws know, you know, my plight. So anyway,

578
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: she came to the next show in Raleigh, and she

579
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: came back to say hello. And when I met her,

580
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: I just what I sell on her was you know,

581
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: a young, bright, determined, you know, educated woman who actually

582
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: saw something in me. And I felt for the first

583
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: time like I wanted to be better not only for myself,

584
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: but for for someone else. And that really kind of

585
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: pulled me out of this like, uh journey that when

586
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: I was on that was really just you know, to

587
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: go out and over indulge in all the vices that

588
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I saw a fit, including music, including you know, drugs, women, alcohol,

589
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: all of it just over indulgent in every way until

590
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: it just killed me before I was even thirty.

591
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: That was my goal in Moose Swings, you talk about

592
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: I I have something to live for for the first time.

593
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: We always try to you know, end on a like

594
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: an action item or things to do. One of the

595
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: things that you've seen, you know, kind of work not

596
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: work in that world and kind of gets you down

597
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: the wrong path.

598
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: I think community is one of the biggest things that

599
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: we have as a resource, as a free resource to us,

600
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: and in music is just such a fine way to

601
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: bring people together. And that's that's kind of how we

602
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: view our shows. And I don't like to stand up

603
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: there and just preach it to folks. Like I said,

604
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't like to talk very much at all, but

605
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, just being vocal and just finding a group

606
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: of individuals. I mean, it could be church, it could

607
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: be you know, but for me, it's music and just

608
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: getting together and and and being in a square and

609
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: talking about it all openly, and just the general idea

610
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: destigmatizing all of these subjects that we're talking about.

611
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: What are some of those things that you wish you

612
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: kind of had in your social network as you were

613
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: growing up and kind of dealing with a lot of

614
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: this stuff when teacher was telling you to shut your

615
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: damn mouth and you're going nowhere, Like, what do you

616
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: wish you had that could to help you out?

617
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: Well, something that I did have A tremendous resource that

618
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: I had growing up was the Fine Arts Center in

619
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Greenville and my my instructors there. Steve Watson was my

620
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: jazz theory instructor and a tremendous guitarist, and doctor Roy

621
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: Floor was the it was the head administrator there all

622
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: that time. I don't think principle was the correct term,

623
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: but they really saw something in me and they believed

624
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: in me. And I was an a student there. You know,

625
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't top of my class by any means because

626
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: everyone there had to work really hard to be there,

627
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: and it was really just vocational, vocational school for the

628
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: artistic children. And I was able to go there for

629
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: two years and the only regret I have about dropping

630
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: out of high school was not getting a third year

631
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: of education there. But it was something where they, you know,

632
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: they encouraged my abilities and you know, they actually cared

633
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: for their students and I like molded them into these

634
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, artistic beings. It was really moving. It was

635
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: the first time I'd ever experienced having school spirit or

636
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: seeing students care for their administrators. You know, It's not

637
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: something I had ever felt before. So, you know, I

638
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of after school programs. There's the

639
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: School of Rock Soil around the country that are great.

640
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of programs just like the

641
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Fine Arts Center all over the country. I would just

642
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: encourage parents to, uh to find these resources that are

643
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, that are free to parents a lot of

644
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: times if it's part of the school, you know, uh,

645
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: the school district. Just find whatever you can to try

646
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: to you know, channel your kids, whether it be like

647
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, hyperactive ways or whatever it is, or depression,

648
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: Like find ways to channel these things into something artistic

649
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: or you know, expressive.

650
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Right, how many times I've seen, either with schools or

651
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: the criminal justice system, they say one person told me, hey,

652
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: you're pretty funny, you're pretty witty, or your musical talent,

653
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: like some guy in prison he's like, now I want

654
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: to do something more because they're in a program or

655
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Speaker 2: something like that, and a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we go back to these these academic moments

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Speaker 1: because that's when we're the most pliable, you know, as individuals,

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Speaker 1: and just having someone of authority have confidence you and

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Speaker 1: give you the idea that you're not a burden and

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Speaker 1: that you're you know, you're out burst, or your your

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Speaker 1: artistic inclinations and you know the things that you're into

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Speaker 1: aren't stupid. The sandals you wear don't make you look unkempt,

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Speaker 1: or your long hair or your tired I shirts. People

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Speaker 1: encouraging you to be outside of the status quo instead

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Speaker 1: of telling you that you're an outlier and making you

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Speaker 1: feel like you're an issue or a burden or a problem,

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Speaker 1: or being a progressive thinker even you know, just one

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Speaker 1: or two teachers is all it takes, really.

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Speaker 2: True, Marcus, I've I've really appreciated your time here, man.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know you got chows and everything for

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Speaker 2: you to take the time out and come out to

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Speaker 2: talk about.

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Speaker 3: This and being some open and honest.

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Speaker 2: And where can people go to find you? See you

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Speaker 2: support the foundation anything else like that?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you can go to Marcus kingofficial dot com

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Speaker 1: and you'll find a link for the Curfew Foundation. There

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Speaker 1: and you can support us that way.

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Speaker 3: Perfect.

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Speaker 2: All right, Curfew Foundation, Marcus King, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being on the War on drugs.

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Speaker 3: All right, we are back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I did okay on my own.

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Speaker 4: Thanks. You know, great, you didn't. You didn't let the

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Speaker 4: dog totally upstage you.

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Speaker 3: It's true, a little distracted quite a bit. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so this is gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: But uh, you know, it's just like another story, another

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Speaker 2: thing of a different path for people. And since I

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Speaker 2: work in criminal justice policy, all I think I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about a lot was, man, all these different people

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Speaker 2: we've talked to, how many of them would have been

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Speaker 2: seen at some point during their path as a failure

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Speaker 2: and going back.

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Speaker 3: And so even a.

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Speaker 2: Place where you have, you know, a drug court where

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Speaker 2: you're trying to divert people from the criminal justice system,

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Speaker 2: you put someone on probation where you say, all right,

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Speaker 2: this happened. If you get treatment or you go through this,

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Speaker 2: you know, will help you off. And the second they

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Speaker 2: have one dirty drug test, the second they kind of falter,

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Speaker 2: it's back to prison for you. And it's just it's

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Speaker 2: really hard to kind of you know, hear these stories

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Speaker 2: and it just shows again like how little we know

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Speaker 2: about like addiction, how much money we've spent on trying

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Speaker 2: to treat addiction through this war on drugs, and how

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Speaker 2: much we've failed, Like have.

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Speaker 3: The drugs gotten stronger?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Check out our fenel Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's crazy

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Speaker 2: and so everything. And you know, I think this is

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Speaker 2: the first time in the last five six years that

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three the overdose desks were under one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand, and.

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Speaker 3: It was seen as some rousing success.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure there are things going on

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Speaker 2: that we've seen that have been you know, successful, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how much of a

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Speaker 2: you know, Victory.

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Speaker 4: Lawn were still dying. Can you really count that as.

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Speaker 3: Su Yes, we still have so far to go.

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Speaker 2: And it shows how again our approach this war has

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Speaker 2: morphed it into just a complete disaster of what actually works.

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Speaker 3: And what doesn't when it comes to addiction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are things for everyone, and even those people

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Speaker 2: that may not have those types of just like outstanding

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Speaker 2: you know, marketable.

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Speaker 3: Talents like I don't have any of those talents.

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Speaker 2: So like it's just not you know, someone just being like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you're funny, like it's for everyone. It's not just for

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Speaker 2: the success story of the one in the million.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and for somebody who is not making the best grades,

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Speaker 5: who's in and out of trouble, it may mean a

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Speaker 5: lot more to them here and that they never heard

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Speaker 5: it before. Yeah, this isn't this isn't all you are

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Speaker 5: and you can you can do more if you if

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Speaker 5: you want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and claiming you you said something earlier, like it

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Speaker 2: doesn't cost that teacher anything to just say that one

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Speaker 2: little note to someone you know, talk to people. We

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Speaker 2: can't lose our communication. So many people are lost because

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Speaker 2: they don't talk. And like that verbal confirmation I think

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Speaker 2: is so critical sometimes just to hear's some sort of

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Speaker 2: affirmation that you're not some weirdo isolated person in a

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Speaker 2: CPA hit.

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Speaker 4: Just yeah, and it doesn't cost anything.

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Speaker 5: But the flip side is, look at the cost that

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Speaker 5: the punishment and being punitive and beating these people down,

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Speaker 5: and look at the cost that that costs people. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I just think people got to think about the cost

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Speaker 5: of building somebody up versus the cost of tearing somebody down.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. No, and again, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: Marcus for your time. Thank you Duck.

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Speaker 5: Next episode, West Coast to the West Coast, West Coast Man,

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Speaker 5: Los Angeles would be real. Yeah, So I can't wait

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Speaker 5: for y'all to see that.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a fun story getting out there and

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Speaker 2: everything that we can't we tell y'all.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, until next time, it's the War on Drugs.

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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