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Speaker 1: John Shmelt. Joined us always by Tony Pauline from Sports Kita. Tony,

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Speaker 1: good to talking to my friend.

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Speaker 2: How are you okay? Very busy and interesting weekend of

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Speaker 2: college football. We really saw the wheat that the chaff

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Speaker 2: separate from the wheat in that Texas Georgia game, which

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Speaker 2: will be all. We saw some great play by some

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Speaker 2: top rated, some very good prospects, and some disappointing play

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Speaker 2: by people who are players who projected to be early

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Speaker 2: early prospects.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony, it's it's funny. You know.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago we had Georgia lose to

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Speaker 1: Alabama in that game, and people are like, Alabama, Georgie's

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Speaker 1: falling off. Then Georgia comes back, blows out Texas, Alabama

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Speaker 1: loses to Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: I mean vander Belt first first it was then it

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Speaker 2: was Tannessee.

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Speaker 1: Correct and their built and it's almost hard to figure

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Speaker 1: right now who the best team in college football.

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Speaker 2: Is, I mean Ohio State goes to Eugene, loses a

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Speaker 2: close one to Oregon and what was their big first

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Speaker 2: test of the of the year, and you know, you

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Speaker 2: gotta wonder why Oregon isn't the number one rated team

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Speaker 2: in the nation right now. But I mean, I was

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Speaker 2: against this expanded college playoffs to twelve teams, but it's

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Speaker 2: probably looking like it's a good thing because you know,

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Speaker 2: all these teams, or most of these teams are gonna

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Speaker 2: go win there with one, maybe two losses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony, you thok the words out of my mouth, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not like this is the year where

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Speaker 1: you get figure all right, these are the two best teams.

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Speaker 1: Have him play, your good either even the four best

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Speaker 1: teams have him play and will be good. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think the worry when you went to twelve teams

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Speaker 1: in this playoffs was that, you know, the first couple

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Speaker 1: of rounds you'd have the you know, the third best

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Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be competitive. But I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: like this is gonna be a crazy few weeks as

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Speaker 1: they sort through these top twelve teams.

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Speaker 2: You know, and some of these teams still have some

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Speaker 2: significant games left to play. Ohio State still has to

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Speaker 2: play Penn State, they play Michigan. I don't think that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be much of a contest, but you never know, Oregon,

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Speaker 2: you know, you've got some major matchups in the SEC

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Speaker 2: moving forward. So there's still a lot of the story

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Speaker 2: that's yet to be written.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, there's a lot of good teams in the SEC.

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Speaker 1: You know, go from Old Miss to LSU. Even they're

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Speaker 1: gonna make some noise Texas, Alabama, Georgia. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: be big games in the SEC every single week.

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Speaker 2: But even though Miss has already got two losses. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, lose de LSU, who's Kentucky and

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Speaker 2: you know you gotta They did not have Alabama on

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Speaker 2: the schedule this year. I checked that out, so but

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Speaker 2: there are you know, they're basically on the custom both

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Speaker 2: Miss cannot lose another game. It'd be interesting to see

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Speaker 2: if they do. Do they let a three loss a

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Speaker 3: No question about it. So it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: But it'll be a lot of fun, good competitive games

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Speaker 1: and Tony quite frankly, when you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: good team is playing good teams. It's a good evaluation

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Speaker 2: Too, great matchups. You see how players react, You see

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Speaker 2: You see which player really takes command. You know, the

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Speaker 2: momentum shifts, and that all is part of the evaluation

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Speaker 2: process because that's what you know, scouts you're gonna want

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Speaker 2: to ask them about, you know, during combine interviews, which

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we're going to get into. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just go back to the CJ.

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Speaker 3: So there will be a lot of those moments and.

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Speaker 1: Opportunities for players to seize those spots. And then you're

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe that could be a good place

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Speaker 1: I don't think either quarterback really you know, made a

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Speaker 2: You know, I expected what I got from Beck. He's

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Speaker 2: for Quinn Eewers, I never believe that he was a

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Speaker 2: And I think this was an opportunity for him to

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Speaker 2: many of the same mistakes from Quin Eewers that I

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Speaker 2: have seen the past couple of years. He's late delivering

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Speaker 2: the ball, he holds the ball too long, he stares

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Speaker 2: him getting pulled and Archie Manning being put into the

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Speaker 2: game because you really couldn't move that offense. So you're right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think, because of the signs, because of

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Speaker 2: But even Beck. I mean, like the Alabama game. You know,

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Speaker 2: some head scratching decisions which turn into turnovers. And the

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Speaker 2: one thing that you know, scouts who are going to

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Speaker 2: in these big game has really got to protect the ball.

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Speaker 2: I think yours. It's got to be quicker with his

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Speaker 2: decision making. Gotta be quicker, you know, getting the ball

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Speaker 2: Youwers was given third round grades by scouts coming into

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Speaker 2: They're talking about you know, the giants taking them with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Tony quite frankly, and we're not gonna have

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Speaker 1: the larger quarterback conversation today.

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Speaker 3: We will do that down the road.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there are any quarterbacks right now where

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Speaker 1: teams are locked in top five, pick, lock and load

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Speaker 1: like you would. Six quarterbacks go in the top twelve

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Speaker 1: last year, right the half of the first twelve picks

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Speaker 1: in last year as you after quarterbacks, you might have

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Speaker 1: one this year, look and things could change. Maybe cam

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Speaker 1: Milroe has a monster last two months and he jumps

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Speaker 3: But right now, it just is not to me.

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Speaker 1: A quarterback class with a bunch of guys like last

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Speaker 2: Think the reason is you don't see a lot of

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix even.

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Speaker 2: Where I was going. I mean, you saw improvement from

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Speaker 1: Even Ward has some issues with ball protection right and

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Speaker 3: And we will get to the Miami game.

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Speaker 1: that's a high end play. But then there are just

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Speaker 2: And what happens is this is where the scouting process

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Speaker 2: sometimes goes a wire, you know, to the next level,

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Speaker 2: because coaches will see that getting ready for the draft,

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Speaker 2: and they say, we will coach that guy. I can

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Speaker 2: fix that fundamentally, we will coach proper fundamentals. We know

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Speaker 2: he can do this, we will be able to get

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Speaker 2: him to do that. And a lot of times it

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Speaker 2: doesn't work out at the quarterback position. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, and again well we'll get to war.

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Speaker 1: Just one last note on yours and Beck to me, Tony.

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Speaker 1: I think with those two guys, maybe some of their

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Speaker 1: lack of improvement, this situation around those two guys aren't

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Speaker 1: as good this year. Right, Carson Beck, he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: brock Bauers anymore, where you can dump a three yard

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Quinnyors doesn't have Adenai Mitchell. You know, he doesn't have

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: They don't have the same structure around them with these stars.

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Speaker 1: And we're seeing, all right, Well, if you don't have

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Speaker 3: Which, by the way, I think is good for the

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Speaker 3: Him right now.

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Speaker 1: If I had to ask you, Tony, who gets drafted

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Speaker 1: Dan, It's funny, you know at Georgia they have they

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Speaker 3: I should Teaze, by the way, it was coming up

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Speaker 1: You'll learn some names that you haven't heard before, the

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Speaker 3: It's his ability to throw creatively, right.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes when he gets rushed, he'll run backwards against pressure,

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Speaker 2: Granted it's the ACC so it's not a Georgia defense,

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Speaker 1: And what are thing I like to those with a

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Speaker 3: Seven catches one hundred and one yards at a touchdown town.

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Speaker 3: Remember, do you know the look. I have not watched

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Speaker 1: Two running backs, Mark Fletcher thirteen rushes seventy three yards

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Speaker 2: film this year and teams will say, well, listen, his

435
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Speaker 2: workload wasn't that big this year. He's knitt't to have

436
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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty carries, so we know there's still

437
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Speaker 2: a lot of tread left on the tires. And when

438
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Speaker 2: he was in there, you know, he was incredibly productive

439
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Speaker 2: as he was Saturday against Louisville. So it's kind of

440
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Speaker 2: an interesting which ways it's going to go. Because Martinez

441
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Speaker 2: came into the season with very high grades. He came

442
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Speaker 2: into the season with second round grades. When he's on

443
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Speaker 2: the field, he plays like a day two, day two prospect.

444
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Speaker 2: It's just that Miami has so many backs in the

445
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Speaker 2: stable there he's being used in a rotational sort of

446
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Speaker 2: situation rather than the feature runner. It'll be interesting did

447
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Speaker 2: they downgrade him because he wasn't the feature runner at

448
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Speaker 2: Miami or do they say, you know what, whenever he

449
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Speaker 2: got the ball, he showed you know what, he's capable

450
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Speaker 2: of and he didn't have two hundred and fifty carries

451
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Speaker 2: last year, so there's a lot of tread left on

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Speaker 2: the tire.

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Speaker 3: And in his size.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy who would want to see grind down

455
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Speaker 1: the opposition, right, but he's only get eleven or twelve

456
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Speaker 1: carries a game. It's hard to grind down the opposition,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of what you mentioned. It seventy eight

458
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Speaker 1: carries in seven games. You're not grinding any down, anybody

459
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Speaker 1: down carrying it ten times a game, So, uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: interesting usage. There a couple other players, Tony, you want

461
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Speaker 1: to mention from this game, from Louis and from Miami.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Corey Thornton was it was a highly

463
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Speaker 2: rated defensive back, had a terrible game, gave up a

464
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Speaker 2: bad gave up a bad touchdown the second quarter, ashtons

465
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Speaker 2: a lot. I mean, this guy has fallen off the

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Speaker 2: face of the earth.

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Speaker 3: We loved him last year. Last year, we thought he

468
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Speaker 3: can There was a two.

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Speaker 2: Bason to love him. For the reason to love him

470
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Speaker 2: last year. Last year, forty five tackles, fourteen and a

471
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Speaker 2: half tackles for the lost eleven sacks, could not be stopped.

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Speaker 2: Had two tackles against Miami this year. I think it

473
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Speaker 2: was six or seven games, eighteen tackles, two sacks. Ashtons

474
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Speaker 2: a lot comes out of the enters the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four NFL draft. He is a third round pick, maybe

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Speaker 2: a fourth round pick. He's now playing like a six

477
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Speaker 2: or seventh round prospect. So you know where is Ashton? July?

478
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Speaker 2: And I liked him. I gave him actually a second

479
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Speaker 2: round grade after doing my film work over the summer.

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Speaker 2: Granted there's questions about his size. Is he defensive end,

481
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Speaker 2: is he defensive tackles? He is a three technique guy.

482
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Speaker 2: That doesn't matter because he's been nowhere this year.

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Speaker 1: Did Louisville had change defensive coordinators or anything like that.

484
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Speaker 1: I'm obviously not following Louisville closely. Have they changed their

485
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Speaker 1: system or is it just he just hasn't been as productive?

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Speaker 2: I I you know, I don't know, because the same

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Speaker 2: head coach, and I know they had a relatively successful

488
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Speaker 2: year last year, and but you know, and I looked,

489
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Speaker 2: and you know, it didn't There weren't any major injuries

490
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Speaker 2: that seemed to be uh, that seemed to be holding

491
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Speaker 2: you a lot back. So but Kenny, you know, you

492
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Speaker 2: got to produce. And then the one other guy from

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Speaker 2: Louisville's got to mention is Tyler Show the quarterback thirty

494
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Speaker 2: one forty thirty one to fifty one against Miami, four

495
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Speaker 2: touchdown passes. The guy's a seventh year senior. He was

496
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Speaker 2: a guy who seven years ago or six years ago

497
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Speaker 2: looked like a phenom as a freshman at Oregon, then

498
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Speaker 2: made the people thought was the mind boggling decision to

499
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Speaker 2: transfer it to Texas Tech. His career has been marred

500
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Speaker 2: with inconsistent and see an injury, or his career at

501
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Speaker 2: Texas Tech was marred with inconsistency and injury. He's played

502
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Speaker 2: relatively well at Louisville. And I mean he's a guy

503
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Speaker 2: who's got all the physical skills. He goes six for

504
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Speaker 2: two hundred and forty pounds, he's athletic, he can make

505
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Speaker 2: all the throws. But he's an older guy. As a

506
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Speaker 2: seventh year senior, he seems to be getting his game

507
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Speaker 2: back to where it was five years ago when he

508
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Speaker 2: was a sophomore at Oregon and everyone was all excited

509
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Speaker 2: about him. The age, the injuries, prior inconsistency, it's going

510
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Speaker 2: to be an interesting evaluation which show see if he's

511
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Speaker 2: invited to any of the postseason games, the shrining game,

512
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Speaker 2: it's seniable how he does there. But you know, he

513
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Speaker 2: seems to get it. He seems to have got his

514
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Speaker 2: game back to where it was, and there's some excitement

515
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Speaker 2: about his game. But there's also some concern.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the COVID year, that's injury rich hirts,

518
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Speaker 1: that's all the extra stuff that seven years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, he's gotta be twenty five, twenty six years old, right.

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Speaker 2: I would have mat Yeah, he's got it. He's twenty

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Speaker 2: five years old.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's crazy Alabama Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a little panic right now in the

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Speaker 1: ways of Alabama there Tony, and they're probably people call

525
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Speaker 1: Nick Saban like, hey man, you want to make a

526
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Speaker 1: return here? No, Jollan Milroe and I got I think

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Speaker 1: this is a situation. You don't want to put him in,

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Speaker 1: Tony where you're putting a whole the whole game on

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Speaker 1: his shoulders. Five of forty five, two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: nine yards, a couple of picks, one touchdown, and again

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Speaker 1: Alabama losing the Tennessee after losing the Vanderbilt a rough

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks coming off that big win against Georgia.

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Speaker 2: You know, except for that late drive against Georgia, we

534
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Speaker 2: haven't seen from Jalen Milroe what we've seen from cam

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Speaker 2: Warden the sinse that when they need the big drive,

536
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Speaker 2: when they need to answer the opponent, Jalen Milroe really

537
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Speaker 2: hasn't been able to do it. And there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of inconsistency there, and you know that's going to be

539
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Speaker 2: the red flag with Jalen Milroe. There's some concern about

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Speaker 2: his downfield accuracy, although his downfield armor, in my opinion,

541
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Speaker 2: is incredible. Again, you know, like Shador Sanders, like Carson

542
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Speaker 2: back like when you were just don't see that improvement

543
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Speaker 2: on a week to week basis from Jalen Milroe. He

544
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Speaker 2: seems to be kind of stuck in the middle there.

545
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Speaker 2: And every time you get excited like he did the

546
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Speaker 2: first half of Georgia, you know, he comes back with

547
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Speaker 2: a game against Vanderbilt, he comes back with an inconsistent

548
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Speaker 2: effort against Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Tody, I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, we saw what the board did with two

551
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Speaker 1: years of Michael Pennis in Washington.

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Speaker 3: I know Jalen Milroll.

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Speaker 1: People gonna tell him you could be a you know,

554
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Speaker 1: late first round pack, the second round pick come out.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd be wise to stay in school for

556
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Speaker 1: one more year and try to continue to develop. To

557
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Speaker 1: be honest with now, things might change in the next

558
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Speaker 1: two months and he might end up, you know, taking

559
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Speaker 1: off like a rocket ship. But right now, that would

560
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Speaker 1: be my advice to him at least.

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Speaker 2: And you know, with a dynamic freshman receiver there with

562
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Speaker 2: nil money, you know out the roof, it may be all.

563
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Speaker 2: It would be a lot easier to keep them this

564
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Speaker 2: year for next year, next season than it's been in

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Speaker 2: the past.

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Speaker 1: Another running back to talk about here, Tony. I think

567
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Speaker 1: it's showing what a good running back class this is

568
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Speaker 1: going to be.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of good players.

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Speaker 1: Dylan Samson another big game, twenty six carries one hundred

571
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Speaker 1: and thirty nine yards at a pair of touchings.

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Speaker 3: I think we had talked about him last week or

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Speaker 3: the week before.

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Speaker 2: You did, yeah, exactly, and I watched him this week.

575
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Speaker 2: Very explosive runs for the authority, hits the hall as terrific,

576
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Speaker 2: playing speed as Tennessee running backs usually do. We saw

577
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Speaker 2: that last year. We're doing with right, a guy who

578
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Speaker 2: can beat defenders into the open field, the guy who

579
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Speaker 2: could run through tackles. It's going to improve his running

580
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Speaker 2: running around the perimeter. But a high energy back for

581
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Speaker 2: a team that likes to run the ball also likes

582
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Speaker 2: to throw the ball. So Sampson is a guy to

583
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Speaker 2: keep an eye on.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to LSU Arkansas, Tony, and you're

585
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Speaker 1: impressed with Will Campbell, someone you've been a little tough on,

586
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Speaker 1: but you were very happy with his performance against Arkansas.

587
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Speaker 2: Either I've been wrong about all Campbell all season long,

588
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Speaker 2: or somebody said to Will Campbell, well, you know you

589
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: better get out there and lit a fire into Will Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Because the Will Campbell I saw against Arkansas was not

591
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Speaker 2: the guy I saw early in the season. He was

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Speaker 2: a guy who was working to finish blocks. He was

593
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Speaker 2: the guy who was stout at the point in pass protection.

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Speaker 2: I mean Landon Jackson, who was the big time Arkansas

595
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Speaker 2: pass rusher good playing five tackles at five tackles no

596
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Speaker 2: sacks Arkansas, as the team had no sacks and had

597
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Speaker 2: just one tackle for loss. Will Campbell looked like the

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00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: guy I hoped he would look like against Arkansas still's

599
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: got to improve his playing strength and learn to finish Blox.

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Speaker 2: But he wasn't not finishing because of lack of effort.

601
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Speaker 2: He was out there every down looking to finish off

602
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Speaker 2: the opponent. I thought his past protection skills were outstanding.

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Speaker 2: Good job by Will Campbell after the You know I've

604
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Speaker 2: been beating him down the past couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well in a couple of weeks we'll have

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Speaker 1: a larger quarterback conversation, Tony.

607
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Speaker 3: But what do you think in us Meier?

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Speaker 1: He showed me a little something this year. I think

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Speaker 1: he's got a little moxy to him. Obviously he doesn't

610
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Speaker 1: have a ton of playing experience at this point. What's

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Speaker 1: the chance of if LSU can make a little bit

612
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Speaker 1: of a run here and maybe get into the college

613
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Speaker 1: playoff and make some noise that nus Meyer could be

614
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Speaker 1: knocked on the door of a potential top three quarterback

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: Top three I think guy. I think it's a bitter

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Speaker 2: He's got a good arm, he makes some nice passes,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of inconsistency there. I think he's a

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Speaker 2: good develop mental guy. I think he's more of a

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Speaker 2: Day three guy who's got to really improve his overall game,

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Speaker 2: he's got the underlying skills.

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Speaker 3: Though, Yes, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that should probably go back

624
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Speaker 1: for another year, to be honest with you, and they

625
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Speaker 1: try to develop and get another year under his belt.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right. So that's the games from

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Speaker 1: this earlier. Let's get into some of the small cool

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Speaker 1: school prospects. And one guy that jumps out to you

633
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Speaker 1: and it's funny. I come across some tape of him

634
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Speaker 1: earlier this week as well, and I was very impressed.

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Speaker 1: Big Charles, Grant William and Marry offensive Lineman.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we'll start off by when you talk

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Speaker 2: about the small school prospects this year, you basically most

638
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Speaker 2: of them. The top guys are coming from two conferences,

639
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Speaker 2: the Big Sky and the CEA, the Colonial Athletic Association

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Speaker 2: the Missouri Valley which has which is North Dakota State.

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Speaker 2: Not too many prospects come out of there, especially at

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Speaker 2: the top, and it's an offensive heavy board. A lot

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Speaker 2: of offensive linemen, including Charles Grant, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: skilled players, especially running backs. Now, Charles Grant, if you

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Speaker 2: remember you go back to the show we had with

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Speaker 2: Jim Nagy, I asked him about him, because Charles Grant

647
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Speaker 2: was sort of the flavor of the summer. I mean,

648
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Speaker 2: everyone was calling you, what do you think of Charles Grant.

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Speaker 2: William Mary talked to him about scouts, talked with him

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Speaker 2: about him with scouts, talked about him with agents, and

651
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Speaker 2: I really didn't do all that much film work until

652
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: the end of the summer. He plays left tackle for

653
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: William and Mary. He goes six to four and a half.

654
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: He's listed at two hundred and ninety two pounds. People

655
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: tell me he's only two hundred and eighty five pounds,

656
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: but he's incredibly athletic. He is the prototypical doll blocker.

657
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: If you watch William and Mary film, they will occasionally

658
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: line him up as an h back in their backfield

659
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: and pull him across the line of scrimmage to use

660
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: him blocking emotion, and he gets the job done. He's mobile,

661
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: he's agile, he's light, on his feet. The only thing

662
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: is he's not strong two hundred and eighty five, two

663
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: hundred ninety pounds. He even strogg He struggles finishing off linebackers.

664
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: So that is going to be the red flag on

665
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: the Charles Charles Grant's game. But teams love him. The

666
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: scouts absolutely love him. They see the size, they see

667
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: the growth potential six to four and a half. They

668
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: figure he's going to easily be able to put on

669
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five more pounds. They look at the

670
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: athleticism and the movement skills, and that's what they love

671
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: about Charles Grant. I think about Ali Marpett, the former

672
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: Hobart offensive lineman who went to the senior ball blew

673
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: it up, became a second round choice. He is sort

674
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: of in that same rolet. Marpt was even shorter, light

675
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: market ramp blocks with solve the fundamentals. I think he's

676
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: going to be a terrific zone blocking guard. I already

677
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: have him on my guard board, but that is far

678
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: and away. Charles Grant of William Mary, the top small

679
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: school prospect moving towards the twenty twenty five draft.

680
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: Well, let me follow up, but just for a question

681
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: with you Tony, Why can't he play tackle?

682
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: Do you think if he's that athletic light on his feet.

683
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: You have written down here that you've ready or heard

684
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: that he runs a forty nine to forty, which were

685
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: offensive lineman is off the charts?

686
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: Is arm length is going to be a problem for him?

687
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: I just think the strength is going to be an

688
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: issue for him early on. I mean, but you never know.

689
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: I mean last year, if you remember the Yale kid

690
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: Kieran origin Miday, you know he was drafted in the

691
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: third round and he basically didn't play any football from

692
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: mid October on because of a torn thigh muscle. And

693
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: he's projected or he's on the Bear's depth chart as

694
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: a left tackle. I just think and until he gets stronger,

695
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you watch the film. He struggles finishing blocks,

696
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: which is why I like him mcgarth. I think he's

697
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: the kind of guy at this point that needs a

698
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: running start into his blox, if you will, And that's

699
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: a lot easier done at offensive guard than tackle.

700
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: You have a couple other offensive linemen on your list

701
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: here as well, Tony and one from not surprisingly North

702
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: Dakota State.

703
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 2: Well, let's go with Jackson Slater first, there's a Jackson

704
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: Slater of Sacramento State is he's sort of the opposite,

705
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: polar opposite of Charles Grant in the sense that he's

706
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: more of a power gap sort of lineman. Sixty three,

707
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirteen pounds shows some sneaky athleticism, but

708
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: he is a nasty masher, hunching your face type of guy.

709
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: He gets smooth at run blocking. He turns the defenders

710
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: off the line. He's not stiff, he's not mobile. Kind

711
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: of reminds me of a guy we spoke about last week,

712
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: Mason McCormick, who's now starting at offensive guard for the

713
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, in the sense that he's a strong guy.

714
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: He's a strong run blocker, but he's not a liability

715
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: on his feet. The kid you mentioned from North Dakota State,

716
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: Graysabel sixty five and a half three hundred and four pounds,

717
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: Lay's left tackle. I think he's going to be a guard.

718
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: Doesn't show that great footwork early on this year. I

719
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: think the first game of the year, North Dakota State

720
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: played Colorado and he's able did a phenomenal job against

721
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: the Buffalo defenders. Presently project him as a six round choice.

722
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're going to be seeing him in the postseason.

723
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: But you know, you gotta variety of players. You've got

724
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: Charles Grant, who's his own blocker. You got Jackson Slader,

725
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: who's more of a power gap guy. You got grays

726
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: Abel who's a little bit mixed of both, and all

727
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: those guys who are traftable prospects.

728
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: You got some running backs on your list here, Tony

729
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: and I always think running backs from smaller schools have

730
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: a real chance because if the instincts are there, as

731
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: long as the measurables are good enough, you can translate

732
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: from a smaller school to the NFL.

733
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: At running back Land Larson and the first two guys

734
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: can talk about Landlarson and Marcus Yarns. Land Larson of

735
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: UC Davis, the school that produced a guy by named

736
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: Ken O'Brien, and Marcus Yarns from Delaware. They're both your

737
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: situational third down back types. I mean Land Larson this

738
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: year one hundred and seventy one carries eight hundred twenty

739
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: one yards, seven touchdowns, thirty nine receptions, five hundred and

740
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: twenty four yards five tds. You watch Larson, he's creative,

741
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: he's quick, he's elusive, he knows how to avoid defenders.

742
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: He's a terrific pass catcher out of the backfield. Five

743
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: ten and a half, two hundred nine pounds, probably gonna

744
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: run a low four or five. Gonna be at one

745
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: of the postseason All Star games, possibly the Senior Ball,

746
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 2: so we'll be able to see him against top competition there.

747
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: He's a fifth, sixth round prospect who will be playing

748
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: on Sunday as a situational third down back.

749
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: All right, buy what Tony I would you know?

750
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: I know you called him a third down back pack,

751
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: but two hundred nine pounds that's pretty good, Like two

752
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: hundred nine pounds for a running back. You know, that's

753
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: a guy that I should have the size to, not

754
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: just be a guy that can catch out of the backfield.

755
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well they're down back. You can also hand

756
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: them off the ball on third three as well. I

757
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: just don't think he's going to be a feature running

758
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: He is a productive he's a terrific ball carrig. I'm

759
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: not trying to dimiss him and anyway by that. I

760
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: just think that he's better on the rotational level of

761
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: rotational role. Marcus Yarns has struggled with the injuries this year.

762
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: He's a little bit smaller. Marcus Sharans five ten and

763
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: a half hundred and eighty five pounds for four four

764
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: five speed, nine hundred and thirty nine yards and fifteen

765
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: tds last year twenty four receptions. He is your prototypical

766
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: third down back in the sense that he needs space

767
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: to work. He's not a guy. If you watch him,

768
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: he's easily tackled at the point, but he's incredibly elusive.

769
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: He's a very creative ball carrier. He's feisty. The injuries

770
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: have kind of set him back. I was hoping to

771
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: see some progress in his game, but he's he's been

772
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: on the sidelines a little bit. But again, he's your

773
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: guy guy. You really want to get him the ball

774
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: in space. And then the third back third running back

775
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: is Elijah Taalet Tolliver, who's actually an underclassman. He's also

776
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: from Sacramento State. Like Jackie Slater, reminds me of Javonte Williams.

777
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: This year in the six games, seven hundred and twenty

778
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: six yards, six tds. Has that sort of you know,

779
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: forward lean, go straight ahead run through tackles. No one

780
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: can tackle him. But also it's got excellent quickness. Only

781
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: an underclassmen. I highly doubt he's going to enter the draft,

782
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: but he's a guy to keep an eye on moving forward.

783
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: All right.

784
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: Then you have some of a local to the northeast

785
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: Villanova dB huh that you.

786
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: Like, Isais Waxter. I have a six round grade on him.

787
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: Scouts coming in the season had a fifth round grade

788
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: on six one and a half two hundred eight pounds,

789
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: four fire, three, terrific instincts, physical, feisty, fires up the

790
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: field defending running players or screen throws, solid coverman. When

791
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: he's facing the ball, he really struggles making plays with

792
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: his back to the ball. He's played corner back. I

793
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: think he could ultimately be moved to safety because he's

794
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: so good facing the ball and he really struggles with

795
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: his back to the ball. Plus you look at that

796
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: size six one and a half two hundred and eight

797
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: pounds and his playing style. He's either going to be

798
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: his own cornerback or he could be a safety.

799
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: All right, And then let's go to the offensive side

800
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: of the ball. Some wide receivers that you like.

801
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ft and Chisholm. I keep from Eastern Washington. He's

802
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: all over the bord. As far as scouts are concerned,

803
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: Some scouts say priority free agents, some scouts say street

804
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: free agent. I think he's a set. I think he's

805
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: a late round pick five ten and a half one

806
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety eight pounds for the speed is going

807
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: to be an issue because he was a four or

808
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: five to five guy. The production is off the charge.

809
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: You can't stop this guy. Seven games this year, sixty

810
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: nine receptions, seven hundred and fifty yards. Well last year

811
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 2: eighty four receptions for nine hundred and thirty two yards. Wow,

812
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: the guy. He's uncoverable. His route running is incredible. I

813
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: mean you're talking about scissor sharp route like some of

814
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: those guys we saw at the Trying game last year

815
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: that they couldn't The defensive backs could not cover him

816
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: because they were so quick in and out of routes.

817
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: That's what Chisholm is, and he's an exceptional pass catcher.

818
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: Extends his hands, makes the catch away from his fring.

819
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: He's not doesn't shy down from battle either. I mean

820
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: he will get up in the crowd and come down

821
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: with the ball, which is why his production is so great.

822
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: The only thing about Chisholm is I think it's the

823
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: forty times that can hurt him that will push him

824
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: deep in the draft, maybe push him out of the draft.

825
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: But if you look him for a slot receiver, a

826
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: number five receiver, a return specialist, I mean Chisholm is

827
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: your guy because he's just a natural football player, naturally

828
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: skilled pass catcher who you know just always gets the

829
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: job done. And you know, defenses, no posting defenses know

830
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: the ball is going to him and they can't stop him.

831
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: Do you want to hit Elijah Pond here Tony and

832
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: just get the wide receivers out of the way, I'm sorry,

833
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: Do you want to hit Jared Gibson here?

834
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, sach State actually has two receivers, Jared

835
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: Gibson and Anderson Grover. Gibson is a little bit bigger Grover,

836
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Gibson is a little bit faster. Grover's a

837
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: little bit smaller. They're both really possession type receivers who

838
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: again catch everything inside. They occasionally show some big playability,

839
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: but it's the reliability factor that I think why these

840
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: guys could you know, slide into the late part of

841
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: the draft, the very late part. The seventh round Gibson

842
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: goes five eleven and a half two hundred four pounds

843
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: four five five, but he's a terrific pass catcher.

844
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: Now you have to wrap us up here with the

845
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: small school guys, Tony, we have a linebackers, last edge guy,

846
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: and it's tough sometimes you know with the height, weight

847
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: speed that you want out of these guys from smaller

848
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: schools to make it a lot of these guys and

849
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: I'll have boom more wrap up question for you. Would

850
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: you like Elijah Ponder from cal Poly uh six two

851
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one pounds a fifty year senior.

852
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: Scouts gave him a draftable grade coming in the season.

853
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: I have a seventh round gread on him. You're watch

854
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: him play. He primarily comes out of a three point stance,

855
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: though he will occasionally stand over tackle. H two and

856
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: eight and a half tackles for loss of five sacks

857
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: in seven games this year. Last year thirteen tackles for

858
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: lost in ten sacks. One of those guys who was

859
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: a smaller college defensive end Edgdresser that has the athleticism

860
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: and has shown the ability to play off the line

861
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: in space on zone blitzer or things like that and

862
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: fifty one pounds expected to run under four to seven

863
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Speaker 2: gonna be a late round pick. I would expect we're

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Speaker 2: gonna see him in the postseason of what the shrine

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Speaker 2: or the senior ball can rush. The passer can do

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Speaker 2: a variety of things, and I think that's why he

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Speaker 2: cements himself as a seventh round choice with.

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Speaker 1: The transfer porter Tony in this and we'll wrap things

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Speaker 1: up here. Has it been much tougher for you to

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Speaker 1: find small school guys because guys just said to transfer

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Speaker 1: a lot more and don't stay at some of these

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Speaker 1: smaller schools like Quinney on Mitchell did at Toledo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you know what happens is is

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Speaker 2: your smaller conference guys from the MAC and the American

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Speaker 2: Conference go to the bigger conferences because that's where the

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Speaker 2: money is. And then what happens is is those those

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Speaker 2: smaller conference guys dip into Division one Double A, Division

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Speaker 2: two and take the guys out. So you know, it's

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Speaker 2: kind of a thinning from not only Division one Double A,

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Speaker 2: but also those smaller conferences like the MAC in the

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Speaker 2: AAA because everyone's going in there to raid the talent.

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Speaker 2: Now that you know they're paying out the nil deals.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely, Tony.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, my friend.

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Speaker 1: And you're off to Ohio State next week. All right,

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Speaker 1: you need some in person scouting.

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Speaker 2: Visit my daughter. I will be at the Ohio State

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Speaker 2: Nebraska game Saturday afternoon, then run to a bar to

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Speaker 2: watch the rest of the games.

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Speaker 1: polling at sports Keita. I am John Smelk. That's Draft season.

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