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Speaker 4: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 4: I am honored to host this next guest, which has
Speaker 4: already been on The Draymond Green Show six Man of
Speaker 4: the Year three times. Made that whole thing about a
Speaker 4: six man have any relevance, So we're going to get
Speaker 4: into that. First off, we're live, well live to you,
Speaker 4: not necessarily live right now, but we're at Hinkle Fild
Speaker 4: House in Indianapolis, Indiana All Star Game, but this legendary place.
Speaker 5: Honored.
Speaker 4: Thank you to Butler University for having us in this gym. Now,
Speaker 4: I see this banner up here, Final four twenty ten banner,
Speaker 4: and I'm not happy about it because Gordon Hayward filed
Speaker 4: me to get that batter.
Speaker 5: It's insane.
Speaker 4: On the front of the newspaper, his hand is like this,
Speaker 4: We're down one to go to the national Championship. And
Speaker 4: so yes, they would have had the banner, but it
Speaker 4: says national finalists and that should have been me, and
Speaker 4: I think that we would have won the championship. Nonetheless,
Speaker 4: I'm thankful to be here, Maul. Welcome to the show,
Speaker 4: Welcome back to absolutely Yes, sir man, I got a
Speaker 4: lot of topics to get into it with you. One
Speaker 4: being and I want to jump right into this. I
Speaker 4: think you know when we start looking at the NIL
Speaker 4: culture and you know where college basketball is gone, it's
Speaker 4: all stemmer from AAU and what AU has done, and
Speaker 4: you are at the heart of that with Seattle Rotary. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a young fella JJ coming up in the pipeline. Just
Speaker 4: I want to start off of what's your take on
Speaker 4: where the AAU game.
Speaker 5: Is right now? That's a great question.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't really a part of AU coached before him,
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, like how many years you play?
Speaker 5: Are you coming up?
Speaker 4: I played AA you from sixth grade to twelfth grade.
Speaker 1: I played AAU two years period, so I played in
Speaker 1: fifth grade, left when worked on my game, and came
Speaker 1: back and played my last year. So I wasn't really
Speaker 1: hip to how AAU works, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Then I got back in through him just being a parent.
Speaker 1: I was a parent before I start coaching him. That
Speaker 1: kept score. I was just keeping score.
Speaker 5: You know. I didn't mess with the coaches. I was
Speaker 5: just right there, just keeping scored. And that was that.
Speaker 1: It gave me a way to kind of watch him
Speaker 1: in peace a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I just kept score. And then as fate would
Speaker 1: have it, I started being an assistant coach. The coach
Speaker 1: asked me, Daryl Henny shouts and he runs the whole program.
Speaker 1: It's his program. And then I got to become the coach.
Speaker 1: And when I seen is it's kind of nasty in
Speaker 1: some ways. In some ways, it's kind of be honest
Speaker 1: with you, is kind of nasty from the standpoint some
Speaker 1: of these coaches.
Speaker 5: They want the top kid. They want to fly kids around.
Speaker 1: And I'm not falling the kid at all, because if
Speaker 1: you coming from where we come from, and somebody's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you some shoes, flights to see the
Speaker 1: rest of the country.
Speaker 5: Parents and they trust the coaches. All good with them.
Speaker 1: Coaches many they're playing through kids in some regards, they're.
Speaker 5: Not really helping them.
Speaker 1: They'll have you know, just older kids or whatever it
Speaker 1: is to try to say look at me, look what
Speaker 1: my team is doing.
Speaker 5: You're god trapped, does it right? One of the few
Speaker 5: to do it right.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we've talked where it's like he's really
Speaker 1: pouring into the kids. He's not for the wins and
Speaker 1: losses now, he's trying to help them later. And that's
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. Myself. We're one of the
Speaker 1: only staff to have all three coaches they play D
Speaker 1: one Wow, myself, Keith Smith to play the Oregon and
Speaker 1: Pepperdine and Real Hennings that played at UC Davis. And
Speaker 1: so what we're doing is with our team, we're trying
Speaker 1: to We're watching film, we're packing three times a week.
Speaker 1: We're doing the skill stuff that's like what's in your bag,
Speaker 1: but we're doing the skill stuff like naw, fuck, what's
Speaker 1: just in your back handling? This may be a catch
Speaker 1: and shoot game. This may be a game you gotta
Speaker 1: take charge of. It's gotta be a game you got
Speaker 1: to give yourself up to get the team. You know,
Speaker 1: good shots. So we're teaching that because we're teaching them
Speaker 1: how to play now, but more importantly, how to play
Speaker 1: later and be good young man. So for us, that's
Speaker 1: what's about. So that's that leads me to my next question.
Speaker 4: A lot of young NBA, well, a lot of NBA
Speaker 4: players now have sons.
Speaker 5: That's coming up.
Speaker 4: You got JJ, Trevor, Reza, TODJ, Gilbert, Elijah, and there's
Speaker 4: been a lot of talk about Gilbert and his approach
Speaker 4: with his son, and everybody is also approaching I think,
Speaker 4: you know, Gilbert has been very public about it. It's saying,
Speaker 4: you know, he wanted his son to learn how to carry,
Speaker 4: and so he kind of sends him to a school
Speaker 4: that's not great basketball. I think it's Chatsworth of something,
Speaker 4: not great basketball team, but he's the man and he
Speaker 4: get to do whatever. And that's a different approach, right Like,
Speaker 4: and then you have some people that you know sending
Speaker 4: their kids to powerhouse.
Speaker 5: I know you went to rain There.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you were sending JJ there or not,
Speaker 4: But what's your take on kind of the approach of
Speaker 4: sending your kid to a team that's essentially trash and
Speaker 4: he get to do what he wants but may not
Speaker 4: necessarily be learning how to play the game the right way,
Speaker 4: or going to a powerhouse like rain There where there's
Speaker 4: a pedigree, you're gonna play it right way. Coach probably
Speaker 4: been there for a while, or there's some type of
Speaker 4: history or that you follow.
Speaker 5: What's your take on those two philosophies. That's a great question.
Speaker 1: So for us, let's just say Rory right now, I
Speaker 1: feel like we got nine players. I feel like basically
Speaker 1: all nine would be the best they can ego to
Speaker 1: any other team and be the best player. But I
Speaker 1: have all them plan as a team, and for me,
Speaker 1: that's needed because I want them to go for good
Speaker 1: the great. Yeah, you have to be a dog and
Speaker 1: a killer, but for me setting the foundation for them,
Speaker 1: I want them to know how to play the right way.
Speaker 1: So we actually call ourselves the Warriors. If you watch
Speaker 1: us play like the balls hopping where we've mashed it random,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like and travel
Speaker 1: tell you like, we shoot a lot of threes, but
Speaker 1: they're generated off of like good plays, good possessions.
Speaker 5: So I'm teaching him to function playing with other good players. Yes.
Speaker 1: Now for JJ especially, he's playing up right, so they're
Speaker 1: eighth grader, he's in seven, so he knows he's that
Speaker 1: he's benefits a lot of it off because the ball movement.
Speaker 1: But next year he's not to play if grade and
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to carry a load. But he's ready
Speaker 1: for that too. So what I did to supplement that
Speaker 1: is I had him play for a school team. I
Speaker 1: had him play feeder, and he does that there, so
Speaker 1: he's getting the best of both for us. But I
Speaker 1: think knowing how to play is the most important thing
Speaker 1: because as you know, you better than anybody, as the
Speaker 1: higher you go, the.
Speaker 5: Smaller the box gets of greatness for everybody.
Speaker 1: But it's also like this is the top of the top,
Speaker 1: So you can't just go in there being a one
Speaker 1: man band. You can't just go in there being a
Speaker 1: man show. You have to learn. The better you get
Speaker 1: and the higher levels you go, you have to learn
Speaker 1: to play with good players. Absolutely, so either way, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be an adjustment. But I think you still get
Speaker 1: that dog. And I'm not faulting Gilbert because he's doing
Speaker 1: it his way and is working, so yes, but a
Speaker 1: certain point even his son's gonna have to, you know,
Speaker 1: conforming how to play with other people and still not
Speaker 1: lose itself while doing it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think I think that's a very important thing.
Speaker 4: And not losing yourself because you you Sometimes you get
Speaker 4: to the league, or it happens for different people. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it's high school for some guys, college for some guys,
Speaker 4: NBA for someone like I was a score until I
Speaker 4: got to the NBA, you know, and then you got
Speaker 4: to figure it out, right, And so but I think
Speaker 4: that's interesting from you because what I've watched in you
Speaker 4: all these years and playing against you, but even going
Speaker 4: further back and just watching before I ever got to
Speaker 4: the NBA, You've always known how to play the game
Speaker 4: the right way. But yeah, you've also had coaches that's
Speaker 4: like him, all do Y'll do it right, go to
Speaker 4: the ball, you call a pick and roll whenever you
Speaker 4: want to, you're flytting out, you call aiso whenever you
Speaker 4: want to. Like, and it sounds like that's what I'm
Speaker 4: hearing you say, Like I'm essentially training JJ will be
Speaker 4: the same thing where he can mix you.
Speaker 5: He got all the stuff, but yeah, he know how
Speaker 5: to play the game.
Speaker 1: And with JJ right, and let's say he plays his
Speaker 1: grade and he's like that I can get forty. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: forty is cool. I would rather have you get twenty
Speaker 1: eight and twelve assists. Yes, that's more than forty. And
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, Luca, how much do you have?
Speaker 1: Said he had seventy three, I say, everybody at thirteen
Speaker 1: assists too. The trick is this all great scores. The
Speaker 1: more you pass, the easier it is a score, right,
Speaker 1: because you put them in a trick back. So if
Speaker 1: you have even the game my lasting mat fifty one
Speaker 1: points at five assists, yes, right, So I'm like, if
Speaker 1: Luca only had five assists that game, they may have
Speaker 1: been a fifty five point game because they know he's
Speaker 1: just gonna score. But the fact he has seventy three
Speaker 1: and now he has fourteen assists know how to guard him.
Speaker 1: They put him in a trick bag. If if I
Speaker 1: can make if I can't j J look at one player,
Speaker 1: just one player, and he had to study one player,
Speaker 1: it would be penny harder way for a better shooter,
Speaker 1: because I want him to be able to really like
Speaker 1: to do this as well as score, and right now
Speaker 1: with him playing up, the physicality kind of bothers him
Speaker 1: to do that because he can actually pass and dribble
Speaker 1: as good as he can shoot. But you don't you'll
Speaker 1: never know it until he kind of his physicality catches
Speaker 1: up to his game.
Speaker 5: That's incredible, and switching gears.
Speaker 4: You just you just spoke about having You just spoke
Speaker 4: about having fifty one points, and I mean, you've done that.
Speaker 4: But I want to talk about something with the NBA
Speaker 4: and with veterans and how it kind of happens for
Speaker 4: gods towards the end of the career. And it's becoming
Speaker 4: more and more prevalent now, especially with the new CBAS. Right,
Speaker 4: you got veteran minimums where a veteran will be making
Speaker 4: three million.
Speaker 5: Dollars, the young Casey for one point one million dollars.
Speaker 4: In a situation like to go to State Warriors, that
Speaker 4: three million dollars is actually fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 5: It's fifteen through the tax and everything on.
Speaker 4: The tax, and so I know it's a host and
Speaker 4: because we're in a repeater tax. Yes, and now you
Speaker 4: got that first April, second April, I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5: I think we're already at the second April.
Speaker 4: And so the penalties are crazy, but it's putting guys
Speaker 4: in a tough situation as well. Here you are, you
Speaker 4: scored fifty one points, and then the next year you're
Speaker 4: not on an NBA roster.
Speaker 5: How is that possible?
Speaker 4: You know? So just where the league has kind of
Speaker 4: gone in a sense of veterans and the effect that
Speaker 4: it's happening on these young guys.
Speaker 1: What's your take on that it's awful? Jake and this
Speaker 1: and this is the thing for me. And I've heard
Speaker 1: you speak about it before when you had the David West's,
Speaker 1: Jermaine O'Neills, right, like all those vets to really kind
Speaker 1: of set the tone for your career. I had Oak,
Speaker 1: I had Rick Brunson, I had Kendall Gill. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what I didn't know until I saw them guys. Oh, no,
Speaker 1: being on time is being an hour and a half
Speaker 1: early if you're a young fella, right saying after you
Speaker 1: can't even McDonalds before the game. No more like that
Speaker 1: stuff set the foundation for my career. I think that's
Speaker 1: what's missing for me personally. I win Teammate of the
Speaker 1: Year of the year before I go to Phoenix. At first,
Speaker 1: we're trying to win. They say, we're trying to win,
Speaker 1: We're trying to make the playoffs, and you can go
Speaker 1: back and check it out. Trevor Reves gets traded Tyson
Speaker 1: Chandler gets traded. Now it's just me and Ryan Anderson there.
Speaker 1: So now we were from trying to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So we just we're going young. And so now you
Speaker 1: got to be a good vet, right, Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: should want to because you've had your run. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's the younger guys turn that month. The younger guys
Speaker 1: are like, they're not a lot of them not playing.
Speaker 1: And now I have my highest scoring month of my career.
Speaker 1: I have thirty one for the month of April, thirty
Speaker 1: one point six assists off the bench, and we won
Speaker 1: half the games. And we didn't win shit that year.
Speaker 1: So one and a half the games is impressive.
Speaker 5: And y'all were getting mocked at you remember, right, absolutely,
Speaker 5: and so win and half the games was something to me.
Speaker 1: I averaged thirty one six assists in the last game,
Speaker 1: I get fifty one and five off the bench. I
Speaker 1: just won teammate a year. I'm like, oh, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm I know I'm gonnaet a deal. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get anything above minimum, but i know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get a contract. Yes, I get nothing. And so
Speaker 1: I went through Mamas to depressing, like dam, I couldn't
Speaker 1: even watch basketball, bro, I couldn't even watch as much
Speaker 1: as I love basketball, and I couldn't even watch basketball.
Speaker 1: For a year and a half, I didn't watch basketball
Speaker 1: at all at all. And then the bubble happened and
Speaker 1: I came back for that, and that's a whole nother story.
Speaker 1: But I hadn't played in sixteen months or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I was depressed and I didn't know it. And my
Speaker 1: wife told me, she like, you would go to rooms
Speaker 1: and just kind of just disappear and come back.
Speaker 5: And I've never said this.
Speaker 1: I would go to rooms to kind of disappear, then
Speaker 1: come back with the family, just like cause I couldn't
Speaker 1: understand why I was not getting a call. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand it in all these same teams. Once you come
Speaker 1: be a coach, ony, don't you come run the front office.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so you respect my mind, respect that,
Speaker 1: but you just don't want me on the court. Yes,
Speaker 1: And that part messed me up and it took me
Speaker 1: a while to get there, and then I had to
Speaker 1: be really reflected. I'm like, Okay, if God says you
Speaker 1: have to go out, this is the best way I
Speaker 1: can send you. Because you know, obviously he knew, but
Speaker 1: it was just crazy to me. And I think Isaiah's
Speaker 1: going through it right now, not the depression part, but
Speaker 1: just certain days we just you know, you're like damn.
Speaker 5: And I think what it is is, I.
Speaker 1: Think when you've had a following for a long time
Speaker 1: and you go to a team that fan base is
Speaker 1: going to see you, and that could be kind of
Speaker 1: a distraction for a team that's trying to grow young people.
Speaker 5: And it took me a while to get to that point, right.
Speaker 1: Interesting, So my name was Jamal Johnson and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, just the same vet. Maybe I get signed
Speaker 1: with the same credentials, maybe I get signed. But if
Speaker 1: I'm me and I have some type of following and
Speaker 1: people want to know put him in the game, it
Speaker 1: could be a distraction. But well, I will say to
Speaker 1: answer your question, sorry that was so long.
Speaker 5: Window. That's great.
Speaker 1: I there should be a rule that on every team
Speaker 1: you need three guys that have ten years in more
Speaker 1: experience because you can help like slow some of the
Speaker 1: things that are happening down with the younger generation on
Speaker 1: especially off the court, because you know, we see it
Speaker 1: like no, no, no slow down, Like you got to move
Speaker 1: like this, and if they just have one and there's
Speaker 1: still a bunch of young guys, that's not fixed thing,
Speaker 1: Like man, it's old, dude. But if you have three
Speaker 1: or two or three are like no, no, y'all need
Speaker 1: to slow down or you need to slow down. I
Speaker 1: think they hear it a little bit differently. I think
Speaker 1: that should be a mandatory. It'll help the league. I
Speaker 1: think it'll help the young players and help set their foundation.
Speaker 5: I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: I always talk about my vest that I had and
Speaker 4: how important they were to my career, Like like youre
Speaker 4: just talking Jermaine O'Neil, Jared Jack, David west, Za, Patulia,
Speaker 4: David Lee, like the list goes on and on, Andrew Bogan,
Speaker 4: like Andre Goudala, you know, and like seven right there.
Speaker 4: I played with all those guys, all those guys I
Speaker 4: just name with between years one and five. I play
Speaker 4: with all those guys. And the things that they taught
Speaker 4: Richard Jefferson, Jay, the things that they taught me, Like
Speaker 4: when you look at my demeanor on the basketball court
Speaker 4: when I first came into the league, like I was
Speaker 4: me but I'm like, man, I can't get text, I
Speaker 4: can't do this and RJ was like, yes, you can.
Speaker 4: You should get text. That's the only way you're gonna
Speaker 4: make it. It's like being that guy. You have to
Speaker 4: be okay with that. And I'm like, yeah, r J,
Speaker 4: but I don't want to find at the time.
Speaker 5: Second round.
Speaker 4: I need this, And he like, but you have to
Speaker 4: look at it as an investment in yourself.
Speaker 5: That's real.
Speaker 4: It's like you just have to be okay with that
Speaker 4: because who you need to be for this team.
Speaker 5: You gotta be okay with getting some of that.
Speaker 1: Speaking to you when you just said it just hit
Speaker 1: me when you said, when you start playing in David Lee.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know David Lee was an
Speaker 1: All Star. I'll tell you a conversation I've never never
Speaker 1: said before. I remember vividly, you could ask stuff.
Speaker 5: At the time. I had some buzz to make the
Speaker 5: All Star.
Speaker 1: So to step yep and I remember the game before,
Speaker 1: maybe a week before they pick. I'm like, Steph, you think,
Speaker 1: He's like, I think it's gonna be me or you,
Speaker 1: one of us gonna make it.
Speaker 5: Made made it.
Speaker 1: I remember that David Lee makes the All Star. Fast
Speaker 1: forward a little bit. You basically replace and and kind.
Speaker 5: Of take over that position.
Speaker 1: We played you in the playoffs, and we're on the
Speaker 1: side like, oh shit, like we knew what was coming.
Speaker 5: Not the run you guys are.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but you personally were like, he's
Speaker 1: a dog, he's a dog, and he's he can do
Speaker 1: it all. And that gave you guys a whole different versatility, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and that made us like, it gave us pause, like
Speaker 1: oh man, like because you can you can do so
Speaker 1: many things that can't be accounted for and can't be duplicated,
Speaker 1: especially with your group. Right, so we're like, damn, we
Speaker 1: knew you guys were coming. We just didn't know like
Speaker 1: how where we would go, but we knew you were
Speaker 1: gonna be at the center.
Speaker 5: And it was very interesting how it happened too, because you.
Speaker 4: Know, as you know, during that time, you got Blake
Speaker 4: dj Yes, you got Zach and Marc Gasol, you got
Speaker 4: Roy Hibbert and David West, you got like, uh, you
Speaker 4: still had Timmy and Tiago Splitter, Timmy and Boris Dia
Speaker 4: more al of the story. You still had like two bigs,
Speaker 4: like traditional biggs at the time, the Marcus Audiers at
Speaker 4: the form Portland, Like you got real bigs and It
Speaker 4: was interesting how it worked out because that wasn't me,
Speaker 4: you know, like I could bang with those guys. So
Speaker 4: we were just talking about Michigan State and everything that
Speaker 4: I learned, Uh, with physicality and all of those things.
Speaker 4: I could bang with those guys. So and I wasn't
Speaker 4: gonna back down. But I was very much so undersized
Speaker 4: for the position. Sure, and so the way it isn't
Speaker 4: all you look at it now and it's like it
Speaker 4: feels like an eternity to go because the way the
Speaker 4: game is playing.
Speaker 5: Do you give Mark Jackson credit for that? Like?
Speaker 4: What you know what I give Mark Jackson credit for
Speaker 4: because here's what I will. I can't give Mark Jackson
Speaker 4: all the credit for that style. And by the way,
Speaker 4: Coach Jackson and to me is like that's like it
Speaker 4: still baffles me that he's never gotten an nbah.
Speaker 5: I can't believe it. It's insane all the time. It's crazy,
Speaker 5: it's insane.
Speaker 4: I can't give him credit for that, per se because
Speaker 4: the switch for me starting like permanently actually came under Steve.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't personally think.
Speaker 4: Mark had the blessing or okay to even be able
Speaker 4: to do that because you think at the time, de
Speaker 4: Lee is making sixteen.
Speaker 1: Million dollars at All Star.
Speaker 5: And this is at the time where sixteen is max,
Speaker 5: you know, like exactly right.
Speaker 4: People hit sixteen and they're like, oh, like that was
Speaker 4: max at that time. And so I don't think he
Speaker 4: necessarily had the power to even be able to put
Speaker 4: me in the starting role, where as opposed to when
Speaker 4: Steve came in.
Speaker 5: Steve came in with a whole different power.
Speaker 4: People forget when Steve first came in, he came in
Speaker 4: with a five year, twenty five million dollars dear, when
Speaker 4: I was a ton for coaches. He was the first
Speaker 4: time coach. He came in with a totally different power.
Speaker 4: So but what Mark, But where I do give Mark
Speaker 4: credit is the confidence that he instilled in us to
Speaker 4: be okay with being us. The confidence that he instilled
Speaker 4: in Steph to be like, na dude, Like I can
Speaker 4: remember vividly conversates to him like, no, dude, you the
Speaker 4: baddest dude on the planet.
Speaker 1: This is before Steph Curson All Star bro. He said
Speaker 1: Steph and Clay were the best shooting back. Where we
Speaker 1: all was like, is he crazy? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Everybody though absolutely rus what's wrong with you, dude? Why
Speaker 1: are you saying these I'm We're like, we're in meetings,
Speaker 1: we're in the locker room, we're.
Speaker 4: In practice, and he's like, dude, You're the baddest dude
Speaker 4: on the planet. And I'm just sitting there like this
Speaker 4: isn't tight him. He's the baddest dude on the planet.
Speaker 4: Steph was just now starting to come into his own,
Speaker 4: like coming off the ankle injury. I remember my rookie
Speaker 4: year started. My rookie year before training camp actually starts there.
Speaker 4: This is when they're in and talks about giving Steph
Speaker 4: to a four year, forty four million dollar contract. Any
Speaker 4: side lost and signed, they all signed the same deal.
Speaker 4: And I remember this clearly. Steph came in for an
Speaker 4: individual workout. The owners, front office, doctors, everybody's sitting at
Speaker 4: his workout as if we're sitting here at Hinkle Field
Speaker 4: House and Steph is working out.
Speaker 1: Right there, like going through the draft process or something.
Speaker 5: His workout because he was coming off the ankle surgeries.
Speaker 4: So they're trying to figure out through the workout, is
Speaker 4: he healthy enough to give him this forty four million dollars.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, It's the most unbelievable thing.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Mark Jackson is telling this man, you the baddest
Speaker 4: dude on the planet. Klay Thompson, like Clay has no
Speaker 4: conscience zero sometimes to a fault. But guess what what
Speaker 4: I've learned is your biggest fat can also be your
Speaker 4: biggest strength, right, and so sometimes even to a fault.
Speaker 4: Most coaches would have essentially forced him to have a
Speaker 4: conscience for sure. Mark Jackson fed that like, no, dude,
Speaker 4: you don't think shoot? Like, what are you thinking about?
Speaker 4: Shoot the ball? You're that good of a shooter. It's
Speaker 4: the best shooting back court of all times. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And so what Mark instilled in us allowed us to
Speaker 4: become that because the confidence that he poured into us.
Speaker 4: I remember the very first day I stepped on.
Speaker 5: One of my biggest pepeedges.
Speaker 4: When people call me too small, he's too small for
Speaker 4: the position. So David Lee got the ball in the post.
Speaker 4: D Lee, that's my dog, that's my vet. D League
Speaker 4: got the ball in the post. And you know Lee,
Speaker 4: you played with d is my rookie? Is your vet?
Speaker 4: That's crazy? Delee's an eyeshole. Yeah, Like I love him
Speaker 4: to death. So d Lea gets the ball. He catched
Speaker 4: the ball in the post. I'm on this side and
Speaker 4: he's like, oh, I got a mouse. I got a mouse. Mouse,
Speaker 4: y'all better come help turn he's holding the ball on
Speaker 4: this side. I reached over, snatch the ball, throw d
Speaker 4: lee down, take off, like, don't ever do that?
Speaker 5: Are you crazy? Mark Jackson is pouring into that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he tells me right away when as soon as
Speaker 4: I get drafted, I'm on the phone with him. I
Speaker 4: want you to come in here, and I want to
Speaker 4: see the same Draymond Green. I saw a Michigan State
Speaker 4: leadership blah blah blah. But he's saying me though, absolutely
Speaker 4: so he is still that in us, like where we believe.
Speaker 4: So then Steve come in. Steve implements a great offense.
Speaker 4: Mark Jackson had our defense on point already. Steve comes
Speaker 4: in and take the offense to the next level. And
Speaker 4: not only does Steve take the offense to the next level,
Speaker 4: but Steve takes to winning ways to the next level
Speaker 4: because he's one of the ultimate winners in this league,
Speaker 4: like Steve Kerr. If you look at the NBA, Steve Kerr,
Speaker 4: Phil Jackson, Pop Pop, pat Riley.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it starts getting very short after that.
Speaker 4: When you look at when you bunch that group of
Speaker 4: guys together, they'll come for like forty something championships in
Speaker 4: NBA history, if not more, that group of guys.
Speaker 5: Steve Kurr is in that group of guys.
Speaker 4: He's the ways that they Steve Curr's taught me about winning,
Speaker 4: it's insane. And so what Steve then brought was like that,
Speaker 4: the offense and.
Speaker 5: The winning ways.
Speaker 1: And think about what you just said, you said, Steve Kerr,
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, Pop and pat Riley the other two he
Speaker 1: played for absolutely, so all the knowledge he got from
Speaker 1: those two, right, And they may not see it exactly
Speaker 1: the same because I know Pop comes from the Larry
Speaker 1: Brown coaching tree, right yep. So it's like the knowledge
Speaker 1: he's given, I'm sure the details you're getting, the game
Speaker 1: you're getting, it's just that's priceless.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And so that's where a change it really changed
Speaker 4: for us, Like Mark instilled it in us, but Steve
Speaker 4: took it to another level.
Speaker 5: Okay. So that makes all the sense in the world, okay, And.
Speaker 4: Which came out of an interesting time because then I
Speaker 4: saw so the time that we're running up against y'all
Speaker 4: Live City. Yeah, you coming off the bench, which leads
Speaker 4: me to my next topic.
Speaker 5: Six man.
Speaker 4: So, I feel like you're in a very interesting space
Speaker 4: right now where you're becoming.
Speaker 5: More known for TV then you are for Like we
Speaker 5: talked lou Will.
Speaker 4: Lou Will's great what lou Will did, love it, but
Speaker 4: that started with you, and you're now becoming You're not
Speaker 4: far removed from playing no, but you're becoming more known
Speaker 4: for TV. Before we get into the TV thing, talk
Speaker 4: to me about your place in the six man Goat conversation.
Speaker 4: How you like you were kind of one of the
Speaker 4: first guys that really embraced that and make that a thing.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that. And like, so I've won
Speaker 1: since I was a kid. I won as a kid.
Speaker 1: I went in high school. I went to Michigan and
Speaker 1: played seventeen games, but we won thirteen of them.
Speaker 5: I wish y'all lost thirteen of them.
Speaker 1: But the first one I missed was Michigan's State Mo
Speaker 1: Mo Peete, Matteen, Cleeves, Charlie Bell, that whole crew, and
Speaker 1: I remember, speaking of which dig Vattel's coming to He
Speaker 1: came to Christ the first time in years because we
Speaker 1: wasn't doing much before that. That's the first game in
Speaker 1: n C double A. Here you go, the first game
Speaker 1: n C double A tells me I can't play, and
Speaker 1: so it's an ESPN.
Speaker 5: Game National crowd. I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: Michigan State won the game, but mat team Klees came
Speaker 1: to like little bro, it's all good, keep your head up.
Speaker 1: And that meant a lot to me because here he is.
Speaker 1: He is a rock star. He's already a rock star,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But he came and showed
Speaker 1: love and I felt supported even though I didn't really
Speaker 1: know him.
Speaker 5: Like that song, but.
Speaker 1: I've always won, and in the NBA at this time,
Speaker 1: dre Is is like, first off, this positions you playing
Speaker 1: a point.
Speaker 5: You plan a two, youre plan a three.
Speaker 1: Yes, And also this thing like, oh he's a good player,
Speaker 1: he's on bad teams. And I was tired of being
Speaker 1: known as that, and his fate would have it. I
Speaker 1: got traded as that, I'm gonna start my last years
Speaker 1: in Golden State. I leave and Steph comes the next year.
Speaker 1: Because I played with Monte, I played with Jack right, Wow,
Speaker 1: it was between the it was a transition between the
Speaker 1: we believe team with BD and I mean Monte at
Speaker 1: the Mope and then Steph coming.
Speaker 5: So is that little gap right there?
Speaker 1: And so I get traded to Atlanta and they already
Speaker 1: got their starting file. They got Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Bibbie,
Speaker 1: ol Horford, Marvin Williams and coach and Woody. I love
Speaker 1: Woody wood. He was like, you ain't gonna start here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I ain't got no eag. I'm cool or whatever.
Speaker 1: I come off the bench. I'm the second leading to
Speaker 1: score average eighteen. I should have made an All Star
Speaker 1: that year. Let me speak to that real quickly. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I hate that people ask people to sacrifice they come
Speaker 1: off the bench. If I was starting doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: I would have made an All Star team. I averaged eighteen.
Speaker 1: My team is I think second in the in the
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference. When they select at the time, I should
Speaker 1: absolutely be an All Star. But now he comes off
Speaker 1: the bench, so it's frowned upon to select me. But
Speaker 1: you give me all this praise for sacrifice. Something's not
Speaker 1: right with that. And then lou will fast forward. He
Speaker 1: goes to it. He has twenty with the Clippers. They
Speaker 1: wanted he should have been All Star that year.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: One of the top fourth quarter scores. But anyways, I
Speaker 1: go there, I do my thing. And what I didn't
Speaker 1: know at the time I won a six man was
Speaker 1: that it was changing the perspective of how the six
Speaker 1: man was looked at. It Minu Genobia six man, Jason
Speaker 1: Terry was six man. It was appreciated, but I almost
Speaker 1: gave it swag and gave it a face. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, he's six man,
Speaker 1: he got game.
Speaker 5: If he could do it.
Speaker 1: Oh, it ain't so bad because you know, in our community,
Speaker 1: six coming off the benches frowned upon absolutely period childhood.
Speaker 5: Oh you donna start, are you weak? That's just how
Speaker 5: it goes.
Speaker 1: But come off the bench doing what I did, doing
Speaker 1: it with swag and still winning games and doing that,
Speaker 1: it gave it a face. And now every gym, like
Speaker 1: you said, I'm in the au Wil so every gym
Speaker 1: I'm in, it's like six man. I want to be
Speaker 1: six man too, and that wasn't the case. So it's
Speaker 1: dope to see that. And one things that's most impressive.
Speaker 1: And I saw this stat and I'm not flexing. I promise.
Speaker 1: I'm fourth all time and fourth quarter score fourth. I'm
Speaker 1: the only person that's off the bench in that in
Speaker 1: that conversation, and it's crazy. I think the other three
Speaker 1: since they've been tracking is Lebron, Kobe, Dirt, myself, Wow.
Speaker 5: Off the bench.
Speaker 1: So I wear that with pride because it's like, you
Speaker 1: got shit done and move mountains even though you're come
Speaker 1: off the bench.
Speaker 4: That's interesting because Manu obviously was a six man for
Speaker 4: the majority of his career career, right, but it was
Speaker 4: looked that way differently to your point, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's a starter, come off the bench.
Speaker 5: He's sacrificing.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, he just don't want to start, so he comfortable
Speaker 4: coming off the bench. So I was never viewed as
Speaker 4: like him being a six man. It was actually viewed
Speaker 4: as you like being a six.
Speaker 1: Man because it was like Minu could do all these
Speaker 1: things and I was more like a specialty, special team
Speaker 1: Eames type dude. So it's more myself Lou were looked
Speaker 1: at as that. But to answer your question about the
Speaker 1: goat conversation, I would never say I'm the goat of that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in the conversation because I think everybody
Speaker 1: Lou has an argument.
Speaker 5: Minu has an argument.
Speaker 1: As a champion, Jason Terry Hardy came off the bench
Speaker 1: before Lama Oldham like, there's some dope. Six man Ben
Speaker 1: Gordon was cold to win Rookie of the Year and
Speaker 1: six man the same year. So I give all them
Speaker 1: dudes their flowers. Kevin McHale obviously that left shrimp. But
Speaker 1: I think I'm in that conversation. And however they see it,
Speaker 1: they see it. But I think you let others sing
Speaker 1: your praises, so I let other people say it. But
Speaker 1: to get that respect and get that love, you would
Speaker 1: never know I was a six man with all.
Speaker 5: The love I get from people.
Speaker 4: Clay recently just came off the bench for the first
Speaker 4: time since his thirty five pot Clay like, since his
Speaker 4: rookie year. What would you say to Clay? Like, should
Speaker 4: he embrace that and say, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 4: to be the sixth man? Should he continue like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm still at this level. I want to fight, to
Speaker 4: be a start. What would your advice be to a
Speaker 4: Clay Thompson actually reach out to Clay?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 1: Really, I reached out to people all the time. I
Speaker 1: actually reached out to Clay before he came off the bench,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, because we talked about on TV and
Speaker 1: everybody's like trying to bury Clay, I'm like, he's still
Speaker 1: averaging seventeen points.
Speaker 5: Crazy, I said, it's Clay is.
Speaker 1: The fight is with himself because he's been so legendary
Speaker 1: for so long. Right, yep, seventeen points on a great
Speaker 1: team is great. Clay's battle is that and obviously the
Speaker 1: injuries and everything, but with him, I tell him to
Speaker 1: embrace it.
Speaker 5: It can give him a whole nother win.
Speaker 1: Like we don't see legendary players like that mine know
Speaker 1: we talked about, but legendary legendary guys like that who
Speaker 1: have had four time champions averaging seventeen Like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come off the bench. Now you're seeing second unit guys.
Speaker 1: Now you're the focal point of the offense. Whenever you
Speaker 1: like it gets you in the rhythm. Forget the off
Speaker 1: the bench or starting. You're gonna have better numbers doing
Speaker 1: this than you would as you're doing it right now
Speaker 1: with more of a folks, and you may have more fun.
Speaker 1: That's why I told them in the message, like, bro,
Speaker 1: have fun at the end of the day, Like have
Speaker 1: fun enjoying this shit, because I'm here to tell you
Speaker 1: on the other side of it now, it don't last forever.
Speaker 5: You don't want to look back with regrets.
Speaker 1: Man, the last few years I was mad at like,
Speaker 1: enjoy it because it goes so fast, like, and you've
Speaker 1: earned that. A lot of people haven't earned that right.
Speaker 1: You've earned that right, Like, enjoy it, embrace it, and
Speaker 1: have fun.
Speaker 4: And speaking on the other side, I mentioned earlier, you're
Speaker 4: becoming no more known for TV personality and speaking about basketball,
Speaker 4: which I think is great, like because that just shows
Speaker 4: the success that you're having and doing what you're doing now.
Speaker 4: But it brings me to a conversation of you're now
Speaker 4: on that side of things. But obviously you've done what
Speaker 4: you've done. But we live in this world today and
Speaker 4: the speaking to Clay where certain people talk in this
Speaker 4: media space and it's like what they say is Bible,
Speaker 4: like like, oh, the such and such said it, that's Bible.
Speaker 4: Now he said this, sir, she said that that's what
Speaker 4: it is. Let's talk about that. Please, let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Go you got it all right.
Speaker 5: My problem is.
Speaker 1: Basketball is one of the only sports or only things
Speaker 1: where you don't have to be a professional judge professional
Speaker 1: and get people looking at it like you're the gospel. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And it's crazy to me. Bro, I can't walk into
Speaker 1: Microsoft and tell Bill Gates create this or know that
Speaker 1: what you're doing is wrong you're supposed to do.
Speaker 5: I will think about how I be looked at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I walked into Microsoft and I'm telling Bill
Speaker 1: Gates how it should look and what should be done,
Speaker 1: and this is Bill Gates.
Speaker 5: They look at you like you was out of your mind.
Speaker 1: Like I'm something, but we allow it, And that kills me.
Speaker 1: So I know exactly what you mean when you say
Speaker 1: new media, because it's crazy to me, like there should
Speaker 1: be a certain credential that you have not to speak
Speaker 1: on the game. I'm not saying that everybody's free to
Speaker 1: speak how they want, but to say it with your
Speaker 1: chest out like yeah, I said it. So you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna fall a line for this.
Speaker 5: Ain't that crazy? It's insane?
Speaker 1: And so that part kills me. That part kills me,
Speaker 1: And that's why I think I have a responsibility to
Speaker 1: be in this space. And I've given so much of
Speaker 1: my life to the game as you have, as like
Speaker 1: certain people have given their life.
Speaker 5: And for me, I'm not a hot take dude.
Speaker 1: And what I'm saying I don't mean I may not
Speaker 1: say something that goes viral. I'm saying I'm always following
Speaker 1: the game, yes, and I feel like the game will
Speaker 1: always lead me where I need to go. And I
Speaker 1: owe that to the game. The game's given me everything.
Speaker 1: Nobody would know who I was, period if I didn't
Speaker 1: play the game right, So I owe the game. I'll
Speaker 1: never cheat the game. And so my thing is follow
Speaker 1: the ball, fall the game, and if I follow the game,
Speaker 1: I'll be able to say what I feel is right
Speaker 1: and what's wrong. And you could do it in a
Speaker 1: way that's not tearing people down. You're just getting the
Speaker 1: point across and being real about it.
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy is I always tell like football
Speaker 4: players like I'm envious of you because they can only
Speaker 4: really watch and see, man did such and such run
Speaker 4: for x amount of yards? Right? Did he throw for
Speaker 4: this amount of yards? What was this complete? How many
Speaker 4: passes did he complete? How many receptions did that guy have?
Speaker 4: How many yards? But it's so much going on the
Speaker 4: football field that people actually shut the fuck up, like
Speaker 4: they're not going to they're not going to talk and
Speaker 4: analyze the game of football how they try to do
Speaker 4: the game of basketball because everybody and their mama think
Speaker 4: they know the game of basketball. But when it comes
Speaker 4: to football, why though, I don't get it? And so
Speaker 4: I always tell people like, why do you think you
Speaker 4: should say that to me? And it's interesting because you
Speaker 4: get one or two reactions. Sometimes you get a reaction
Speaker 4: like oh my fuck, brother, like you right right right,
Speaker 4: But sometimes you actually get people that's like no, no,
Speaker 4: like because this and that, And I'm like, yo, do
Speaker 4: you realize I study this more than anything, like daily
Speaker 4: all day you watch a game for two hours. I
Speaker 4: live this, breathe it, study this. That what makes you
Speaker 4: think in your right mind you notice the way I do.
Speaker 1: And they're watching it only from the lens that benefits
Speaker 1: them or whatever they want their narrative to be. So
Speaker 1: we see the game from so many different level. I
Speaker 1: can tell you from the star point of view. I
Speaker 1: can tell you from a bench player's point of view.
Speaker 1: I can tell you from just a teammates point of view.
Speaker 1: I can tell you what the coach is thinking. I
Speaker 1: can tell you how the front office you're trying to
Speaker 1: put it together. We see it from so many different angles,
Speaker 1: a totally different lene you can't even comprehend.
Speaker 5: So what makes you think you know more about this
Speaker 5: than me? And I'm not saying we.
Speaker 1: Can't have a a great conversation about it, me and
Speaker 1: this pert, X, Y and Z, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: in general, what makes you think that You're like, no, no,
Speaker 1: when I said this is in and this is going,
Speaker 1: and you may even bring up a good point within
Speaker 1: the conversation, but you don't know more, bro, You just don't.
Speaker 5: You ain't put enough time.
Speaker 4: In absolutely and and and it's the bravado that comes
Speaker 4: with it, like some of these guys that gets talking.
Speaker 5: I'm just sitting there looking now, like the nerve of view,
Speaker 5: like the nerve of view, like how dare you? How
Speaker 5: dare you say that?
Speaker 4: The nerve of view? But if I come at you,
Speaker 4: you're wrong, I'm wrong. But who validated you?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: Who validated this thing?
Speaker 1: It's in that and and now especially with social media,
Speaker 1: right Aha, that's like a whole different thing because I'm
Speaker 1: sure some of these same people will have the same thoughts.
Speaker 1: But now we hear him, we see him, and it's
Speaker 1: like and now they're even louder because now they have
Speaker 1: a voice and we might respond to him. And sometimes
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they didn't even care
Speaker 1: about what they were saying. They just wanted a response.
Speaker 1: They wanted your attention, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: now you got decipher through that. It's just a whole
Speaker 1: different It's a different era of different generation. But I
Speaker 1: feel like we need more basketball people in basketball absolutely
Speaker 1: talking the game in the front offices, coaching, like we
Speaker 1: need that more often. I feel like that's that's needed.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the game will be in a better place because
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 4: We spoke earlier about your involvement in the game. How
Speaker 4: you continue to get back. I saw the other day
Speaker 4: you were showing weinby and a couple of young guys
Speaker 4: and moves. I don't think he pulled the move out
Speaker 4: in the game. You talked about having ten new moves
Speaker 4: that people haven't seen.
Speaker 1: They't never seen him, and they would have seen him
Speaker 1: if I made just one All Star game. This is
Speaker 1: my plan, right, this is my ultimate plan. If I
Speaker 1: made one All Star game. You know your first All second,
Speaker 1: how do they mens you play eleven?
Speaker 5: Maybe?
Speaker 1: So that's something thinking. If I make it. I'm ready
Speaker 1: to play seven. But it was gonna be seven minutes
Speaker 1: of funk. Every single time down the court. I was
Speaker 1: gonna do a new move. Every time I touched the ball,
Speaker 1: I was gonna do a new move. So how t
Speaker 1: mac hat that moment we threw off the glass and
Speaker 1: everybody talked about it. I was going to release one
Speaker 1: of those moves every single I'm like, I've never coming
Speaker 1: back here again? Why not?
Speaker 5: Why not? Right? They gonna remember me? And that was
Speaker 5: my plan and so I never made it.
Speaker 1: And so now it's like they in the vault, bro,
Speaker 1: they're just sitting there and I'm not passing to JJ
Speaker 1: yet because he's young.
Speaker 5: He's gonna do it at some point.
Speaker 1: They'll take more while to learning, but he would do it,
Speaker 1: and I want him to do it when he's when
Speaker 1: he's really there, he's ready for it, so that he
Speaker 1: won't see me either. Nobody's seen him, even the winby
Speaker 1: moves like that was just we had a mom and
Speaker 1: I asked him if he could do the shake and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I learned that when I learned the
Speaker 1: sham God. And I say, yo, if you do it
Speaker 1: in the game with who you are, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just give you the full version of that move.
Speaker 1: You can have it. And nobody's seen it because it happened.
Speaker 1: I've only done it once and is when I first
Speaker 1: did the move. When I first did that move, I
Speaker 1: was sixteen, playing the pro am and I did the
Speaker 1: full version of it and the guy I was going,
Speaker 1: let's say, I'm going that way, the guy went all
Speaker 1: the way to the left. I was going so fast
Speaker 1: I had to catch myself on the wall. But that
Speaker 1: version I would give to Wimpy, and I promise you
Speaker 1: it would shut everything down. And if he does it, nigga,
Speaker 1: he's been practicing. I saw him practicing the layup line
Speaker 1: in Miami. Somebody in again social media sent me a
Speaker 1: video and I saw. I said, oh, if he does it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shure to him. But I wasn't doing it
Speaker 1: that day because the one he didn't do it. Until
Speaker 1: all the players start watching too, I'm like, well, damn
Speaker 1: if I give in the move, now everybody's so.
Speaker 5: I was just freestyle of order. Tell me this. So
Speaker 5: I watched Weeby.
Speaker 4: I haven't gotten the opportunity to play against me up
Speaker 4: and I watch it and he's, uh, he's a special talent.
Speaker 4: But I think it's going to be important for him
Speaker 4: to figure out what it is that like he almost
Speaker 4: can do too much, and it could possibly get in
Speaker 4: the way of his teammates because you start to float
Speaker 4: and you don't necessarily know where your place is right court, right,
Speaker 4: Like now he up there, and like great scorers are
Speaker 4: going to move around, but most great scores, you know,
Speaker 4: like you know where they getting it at Winby sometimes
Speaker 4: can get it here, get it there, or get it
Speaker 4: all over the place. And I feel like as he
Speaker 4: moved forward, it could possibly interrupt the flow off his
Speaker 4: teammates if he don't learn how to shine. Now, what's
Speaker 4: your take on like his next level of growth and
Speaker 4: becoming who he can be in.
Speaker 1: The league before he came into the league, I said,
Speaker 1: And I said obviously as a cheek holding Pop, right,
Speaker 1: but I said, his skill, whatever he does best early,
Speaker 1: we don't know, but it'll be highlighted.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So Pop's gonna play them to a strength, whether it's
Speaker 1: pick and roll, whether that's setting the pick, whether it's
Speaker 1: catching on a certain block, whether it's getting in transition,
Speaker 1: whether it's trill, whatever it is, they're going to highlight
Speaker 1: that the cheek code is pop though, because I don't
Speaker 1: think Wimmy's best attribute of scoring. Yes, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what it is right now, but I called the game
Speaker 1: when they played the Hawks, probably a month ago, and
Speaker 1: Drea was crazy because he does stuff you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to do. What I mean by that is he may
Speaker 1: do stuff in space and like, oh, that should be
Speaker 1: a floater. Like anybody else that would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: he got to a spot that's a floater. He's getting
Speaker 1: to that spot and he's reached around Duncan. He's like what, Like,
Speaker 1: they don't even add up, bro, he ain't seen that.
Speaker 1: And then that game in particular, that's what I love
Speaker 1: about him. Pop brings him off the bench the second half,
Speaker 1: really brings him off the bench the second he starts
Speaker 1: the game. Obviously he didn't like the energy that group had.
Speaker 1: Brings him off the bench. And he came in in
Speaker 1: that second half and he scored twenty three points, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't that he's blocking everything. And this is what
Speaker 1: you love about him. He's a little thing as good
Speaker 1: as the talent he is. He's a little things, dude.
Speaker 1: That's his game.
Speaker 5: Changer.
Speaker 1: So he's better than the hype, not because the shit
Speaker 1: you can see. It's the shit you can't see. He's
Speaker 1: a little things dude. Every single time he's sprint and
Speaker 1: try to block shot, every single time he's running, every
Speaker 1: single time he's in the right area on help, every
Speaker 1: single time he makes the right play.
Speaker 5: He's a little things dude. And this what really got me.
Speaker 1: After the game and walking out, he's in the weight room.
Speaker 1: He puts it, he sees me, he drops the weights,
Speaker 1: he comes down, he shakes my hand, he shakes my hand.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even say nothing. He just puts his head
Speaker 1: down like he wants some wisdom or knowledge. I saw
Speaker 1: he's gonna be great because he wants to keep learning,
Speaker 1: the drive to keep getting better. But the little things
Speaker 1: he does, besides the big things you see, is why
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out of He's actually better than the
Speaker 1: hype is scary.
Speaker 5: That's insane.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I haven't gotten the opportunity to play
Speaker 4: against him, but I actually think to your point, I
Speaker 4: think his best attribute is defense. Yes, he can control
Speaker 4: the game defensively right now, better than he can offensively.
Speaker 5: Yep. And he's already pretty amazing offensively.
Speaker 1: The Rising Stars game, he literally locked down the whole
Speaker 1: key and I said it, I said, to win this game,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get a mi range shot because
Speaker 1: you can't go in there and you can't pull up
Speaker 1: a three.
Speaker 5: And my guy, uh, I want to mess up his name.
Speaker 1: Zeal went to a mir range and I told Bizelli's
Speaker 1: after the game, I said, I'm glad somebody did because
Speaker 1: you weren't going in the key. Even the shots he
Speaker 1: doesn't block, he alters. You're thinking about him, Oh, I
Speaker 1: can get this one off.
Speaker 5: He goes and gets one. You're like, damn, I ain't
Speaker 5: seen that.
Speaker 1: Like, he's he's We use the word different so much,
Speaker 1: but he actually is different. I think what he is
Speaker 1: for real. I think he was a guard that he
Speaker 1: just stretched all the way out. So he sees the
Speaker 1: game like a guard. He's not like a big trying
Speaker 1: to dribble. He sees the game like a guard. A
Speaker 1: boom boom, that shitd went right there already shoot it.
Speaker 1: Like he's like, I'm like, damn, it's he's. He's a
Speaker 1: different breed. I've seen it in person. It's crazy. The
Speaker 1: little things what separates him though.
Speaker 4: So if you're starting a franchise today, yeah, all the
Speaker 4: guys in the league.
Speaker 1: You starting it with Wimby and it's my franchise. Trying
Speaker 1: to go for it the next three years and trying
Speaker 1: to go to say, you starting a franchise and you
Speaker 1: know you you're you're the owner of the franchise, so
Speaker 1: you could be tough going all in in the first
Speaker 1: three years. You know, like you try to go all
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 4: First three years, it can possibly set you back another
Speaker 4: five for six years, That's what I'm saying going forward
Speaker 4: in three years, so just say you starting and in
Speaker 4: the runway is the runway?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, for sure, it's no doubt.
Speaker 1: If it was three years, then it's like a joker,
Speaker 1: right or it's like indeed, But if it's like seven
Speaker 1: years or five to seven, yeah, it's him for sure.
Speaker 1: Now it's just about who's gonna play with him? And
Speaker 1: to your point, okay, what does he do best? Where
Speaker 1: we can we know what to put around him? Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So that part of it.
Speaker 1: But if it's that, it's without a doubt he's the one.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, joker m B. Who you rolling with.
Speaker 5: And why?
Speaker 1: And be's more dominant in that regard, and he should
Speaker 1: have win MVP if he doesn't get hurt. But I
Speaker 1: think Joker, when he's just factoring health, I think he's
Speaker 1: and helps nobody's fault. But I'm just saying his style
Speaker 1: of play, he doesn't use athleticism. I have to go
Speaker 1: a Joker. Joker's playing the game backwards. And what I
Speaker 1: mean is my man averages thirty points and he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to score. That's fact, brother, I don't want to
Speaker 1: score here here, here, and he still gets thirty. Then
Speaker 1: he can still play big boy basketball as well. But
Speaker 1: the way he flows, in the way he plays, and
Speaker 1: he's like he plays a lot like he's not missing
Speaker 1: game and it's not nobody's fault. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: had injuries. I missed the year before. But I have
Speaker 1: to go a Joker.
Speaker 4: And you just spoke on health, which brings me to
Speaker 4: probably the hottest topic in the NBA right now.
Speaker 5: The sixty five don't like it.
Speaker 1: Dre, I don't like it. I love the fact that
Speaker 1: we want everybody to play with shit. I was in
Speaker 1: year seventeen. I played all eighty two.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: So I love the fact of playing I was man
Speaker 1: for years. I've been saying before low management, low management
Speaker 1: when dudes were still practicing low manage in practice, because
Speaker 1: low managing practice. So these kids can see everybody playing
Speaker 1: and it's still for the league. It's good for the kids,
Speaker 1: good for the game. So I'm all for this is
Speaker 1: not a low management answer. But if you're injured, or
Speaker 1: you feel you're injured, or you're compensating something, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I have to play just to meet a quota to
Speaker 1: be elgible for an award, and that's the part I
Speaker 1: have a problem, because you know what, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, the people that are voting, they still
Speaker 1: don't have to vote for that person. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: save from themselves. Absolutely, he plays. If this rule is
Speaker 1: never in effect, he plays sixty three games. He had
Speaker 1: a great sixty three. I have to vote, No, you don't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's your choice. So I have I think somehow, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying the intent was wrong getting guys to play,
Speaker 1: because guys should play, ME very clear about that.
Speaker 5: But if they're injured and they can get injured.
Speaker 1: Worse trying to be out there to meet a quota,
Speaker 1: that's the part I have a problem with Like.
Speaker 4: We've actually seen two guys that happened to already this year. Joel,
Speaker 4: he's actually playing against us when he just hurt his knee.
Speaker 4: I mean I had already heard that the knee was
Speaker 4: not doing his face, and they told us like, if
Speaker 4: it wasn't the game thing, he wouldn't play the night.
Speaker 5: Then he played hurst the knee.
Speaker 4: We've also seen in We're here Hinklefield House and Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: We've also seen it with Tyres Holliburn. Yeah, Tyree's came
Speaker 4: back from the hamstring. He's on manustriction right now too soon. Yes,
Speaker 4: he's now been back for three weeks and he's still
Speaker 4: on them in a restr it's your elemental restriction.
Speaker 5: But he's forcing it to get back.
Speaker 4: Why all NBA, Because if I'm not mistaken, all NBA
Speaker 4: actually affects his contract.
Speaker 5: I think yes it does.
Speaker 1: I think what maybe forty one million, absolutely fifty three million,
Speaker 1: three million dollars.
Speaker 5: So he's forcing it to get back for that.
Speaker 4: But and say he missed three more games before pushing
Speaker 4: it to come back, right, I don't think you're looking
Speaker 4: at that at the end of the year, Like.
Speaker 5: He missed those three more games. He not all NBA. No,
Speaker 5: you're not. You're not.
Speaker 1: So we're trying to save the voters from themselves because
Speaker 1: we're not technically putting it in a place where the
Speaker 1: guys are going to play more.
Speaker 5: He may miss more time if he gets hurt.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and yes, exactly, we don't even know when he's
Speaker 1: coming back, right, And that's not good for the game
Speaker 1: because here he is having an MVP season, he's not
Speaker 1: playing the All Star game.
Speaker 5: His team is hurting.
Speaker 1: His team is their second, third, fourth, and five player
Speaker 1: can be the best they can be and it won't
Speaker 1: matter if Joe Embiid is not there. Absolutely, So that
Speaker 1: part I understand what they were doing, Like I said,
Speaker 1: to get people to play. We want that as fans
Speaker 1: who watch the game and talked about them, we want
Speaker 1: that absolutely, so we're not saying that. But also on
Speaker 1: the other side of that, we can't have guys risking
Speaker 1: their health if they're injured trying to further play and
Speaker 1: injured themselves more.
Speaker 5: It's the unintended consequence, right, that's the problem. Right. You know,
Speaker 5: you're getting these guys who really.
Speaker 4: Hurt and it wasn't necessarily intended for them. But they're
Speaker 4: catching the consequence for it, for sure, So what's.
Speaker 5: The right thing?
Speaker 1: Okay, if maybe it's maybe it's not. I think it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be attached to their money. I'm not a component
Speaker 1: of he has to play this many games to get
Speaker 1: elgible or all in mere to get eligible.
Speaker 5: I mean that's a bonus, obviously. I'm not sure what
Speaker 5: the right thing is.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've had these conversations they've had to right,
Speaker 1: you made all NBA.
Speaker 5: I have before a couple of times, a couple of times.
Speaker 5: What's your take on it?
Speaker 4: My take on it is, I think the sixty five
Speaker 4: game rules is pathetic. I think I totally understand wanting
Speaker 4: to get guys on the floor.
Speaker 5: Yes, and have it, but like this is the NBA.
Speaker 4: We know when somebody really hurting, when you actually like
Speaker 4: low manage it. So my thing is do to work,
Speaker 4: like really do the work and know who's actually low
Speaker 4: manager because they keep all these notes.
Speaker 1: Like sure, every time I go into training room, everything's tracked.
Speaker 4: Now it's tracked, so you know the truth, Like you
Speaker 4: know if I'm in there l and every day with
Speaker 4: this knee and all of a sudden two weeks later,
Speaker 4: it's just gotten to a place to where I probably
Speaker 4: can't go tonight. You know, you know, because you've seen
Speaker 4: on my law that I've been in that training room
Speaker 4: for this right name every day every day for the last.
Speaker 1: Two before and after practice, every day. I have to
Speaker 1: be in there or else it's just not in a
Speaker 1: good space.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So my thing is do to work like, don't punish
Speaker 4: Joel and b because say this, Say if Joe was
Speaker 4: hurting at that time and then he missed seven games
Speaker 4: instead of the two that he missed, he missed seven,
Speaker 4: and then he comes back healthy and on the same
Speaker 4: terror that he was on, can he still win MVP?
Speaker 4: Can he still make an impression on voters who's the
Speaker 4: last impression in the mind was how he was dominating,
Speaker 4: then he missed seven games, and then he come back
Speaker 4: and picked right back up there. Can he still win
Speaker 4: MVP if he can in the voter's mind to let
Speaker 4: it be?
Speaker 5: Let it be.
Speaker 1: What if a person runs in player X, runs into
Speaker 1: plexture play or wise knee or ankles, that whatever, and
Speaker 1: he misses ten games because of it, How are we
Speaker 1: penalizing for missing ten games? And that part, that's the
Speaker 1: part that needs to be tweaked, and now he's not
Speaker 1: eligible because he may miss four more and then two
Speaker 1: more and now he's not eligible for or three more
Speaker 1: or whatever. He's not eligible to be for those awards.
Speaker 1: You don't have to vote for him, but he shouldn't
Speaker 1: be penalized if he has real injuries to deal with.
Speaker 1: That's that's my thing on it.
Speaker 4: I agree you sit on the side of media now
Speaker 4: I sit on both sides currently and also understanding that
Speaker 4: media makes decisions that does that can decide whether Tyrese
Speaker 4: Hallerbirn makes fifty three? Is there a better system that
Speaker 4: we can come up with than time, Because here's the theme, mall,
Speaker 4: I may not like a reporter and that reporter may
Speaker 4: not like me for whatever reason. Maybe I didn't give
Speaker 4: him an interview when they wanted an interview there.
Speaker 5: Maybe they said something that I didn't like it.
Speaker 4: I say something back to them and they didn't like that,
Speaker 4: and so then they don't vote. Should we still be
Speaker 4: in a space where our money is decided.
Speaker 1: By their emotions because they're human beings? Like right, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that not biased the human beings?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: Hell? No? Are you serious?
Speaker 1: No, no way there's no way because they're going to
Speaker 1: always feel personal about that. All you didn't speak to me,
Speaker 1: or I said something and I didn't like how you
Speaker 1: responding in front of people. Now I'm a little embarrassed
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. No, And that's why that
Speaker 1: part of it is why we love that you're in media.
Speaker 1: We love that players are in media because you guys
Speaker 1: are in are in it, like truly in it. You're
Speaker 1: in the locker rooms. You like. I hate what all
Speaker 1: source said, this put a name to it. I used
Speaker 1: to back in the day dre Is, I would see
Speaker 1: something somebody said they would have to wait because you
Speaker 1: got to think, this is just papers, just newspapers. So
Speaker 1: something comes out the next day, it comes out by
Speaker 1: the time you address it the next day, it finally
Speaker 1: hits the papers.
Speaker 5: That's a two to three day span.
Speaker 1: So I love that players are taking the power of
Speaker 1: their own You can end it in two seconds. Literally,
Speaker 1: you can have your own press conference for millions of
Speaker 1: people in two seconds to get things right or straighten
Speaker 1: things out.
Speaker 5: And I love that part of it. Before we get
Speaker 5: out of here, who you got winning it this year?
Speaker 1: I think, to be honest with you, I think the West,
Speaker 1: Denver's always there. I think Phoenix is built for the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're done. I think they're going
Speaker 1: to get a guard who can kind of organize and
Speaker 1: kind of I think they are missing that, and I
Speaker 1: think they're missing the backup big and I think the
Speaker 1: Clippers are rolling at the right time. I saw your
Speaker 1: eyes jump up when I said the Clippers, take yourself
Speaker 1: out of it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I need you on the media side. You need the
Speaker 1: player side right now, needs you on the media side.
Speaker 1: Are the Clippers the one team that you look at like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they can really go do this if they stay healthy, for.
Speaker 4: Sure, because they have everything. They have a Hall of
Speaker 4: fame point guard. Yes, they have a Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: shooting guard. They have a Hall of Fame small forward. Yes,
Speaker 4: they have a Hall of Fame coming guard on the bench. Yes,
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness now, and that's a hall of fame coach.
Speaker 4: Absolutely yes. Now, aside from that, they got bigs in
Speaker 4: zubox and who's kind of more of a bruiser, And
Speaker 4: then you got Plumbly who's kind of a little bit
Speaker 4: of a bruiser but also fast and athletic and can
Speaker 4: keep up like on the perimeter, and like can pressure
Speaker 4: a big that can't necessarily handle the ball and get
Speaker 4: back to the rim and defending real They got Norman
Speaker 4: Powell off the bench who's scoring the basketball at a
Speaker 4: very high clip.
Speaker 5: They got role players. I think they have a lot. Now.
Speaker 4: Health is obviously for anybody. Everybody has to be healthy.
Speaker 4: But I think they have anything that you need to
Speaker 4: compete for a championship. And like you said, it's coming
Speaker 4: together at the right time. But also aside from them
Speaker 4: having everything that you need, they got guys that need
Speaker 4: a championship. James Harden need a championship. Paul George need
Speaker 4: a championship. Russell Westbrook need a champions So they starving.
Speaker 4: And guess what, all those guys I just named are
Speaker 4: closer to the end and they are the beginning. So
Speaker 4: they know that way closer to the end than they
Speaker 4: are the beginning. So they know this is it. This
Speaker 4: is probably my best chance and last chance.
Speaker 5: I don't do it. No, it don't happen.
Speaker 4: It don't happen, you know, And so I think, and
Speaker 4: then now you put all that into account, and you
Speaker 4: got Tyleru orchestrating it and ty Lou know what to do.
Speaker 4: You know what to do in no situation, not all.
Speaker 4: You know, we go to Tyl Lou. You know, the
Speaker 4: love I got for this man brought us back three one.
Speaker 5: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Talk about it, but Ty was surprised you giving love
Speaker 1: to Clippers because you know we came along with with
Speaker 1: that Worriors Clippers thing.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, but you know we smacked them up enough to
Speaker 4: where I can get I love and you know, be
Speaker 4: all right with it.
Speaker 5: You know, I got two questions for talking to me.
Speaker 1: Remember when word got to us when all that happened,
Speaker 1: that if we walked out and didn't play, you guys
Speaker 1: on board, is that real? You guys really not gonna
Speaker 1: play if we didn't play?
Speaker 5: This is when Donald Sterling.
Speaker 4: Yes, the recording came out of Donald Sterling the game
Speaker 4: that now if you go back and look how the
Speaker 4: game was us versus y'all.
Speaker 5: This was Adam Silver's first big decision he had to make.
Speaker 5: Shouts Adam, who's.
Speaker 4: Been the best commissioner probably in the history of sports,
Speaker 4: but this was his first big decision that he had
Speaker 4: to make as the commissioner of the NBA, and it
Speaker 4: was Donald Sterling with the magic Johnson thing the recordings
Speaker 4: coming out, the races recording and we had a game
Speaker 4: to play that night, and.
Speaker 5: Steph was talking to Chris.
Speaker 4: D Lee was talking to somebody else on y'all Team
Speaker 4: Andre talking to CP as well, and we were talking
Speaker 4: about what are we doing if the announcement essentially doesn't
Speaker 4: if we don't approve, and it was, well, we're going
Speaker 4: to go out there on the court like we're lining
Speaker 4: up for the jump ball and we're walking off.
Speaker 1: What effect do you think it would have had had
Speaker 1: we done that? I think it changed out how things
Speaker 1: are in other worlds.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: I think it changes the landscape of the NBA. I
Speaker 4: think it changes the landscape of how athletes view themselves
Speaker 4: in this whole athletes place, how athletes view their place
Speaker 4: in this whole business. Because as time has gone on,
Speaker 4: we figured out more of our place, but we still
Speaker 4: don't have a stake in it. And I think with
Speaker 4: that move, if we hadn't made that move, I think
Speaker 4: we have stake in it right now.
Speaker 5: So that's a move that could have outlived all of us.
Speaker 4: It would have been on CNN, it would have been
Speaker 4: on it would have been everywhere.
Speaker 5: And what it shows you.
Speaker 4: Most importantly is all right, guess what, go play, Go.
Speaker 5: Play the game. Don't go on. It's over. We're done.
Speaker 5: We're not playing. We're walking off. The game.
Speaker 1: Doesn't go on on one of the big stage at
Speaker 1: the time, right us versus y'all play all stage.
Speaker 5: Beef. Right, everybody's watching that series. It's over.
Speaker 1: You're a Warrior. Give me four other words. I know
Speaker 1: we're about to go to Give me four other warriors.
Speaker 1: You go to Warriors. They can't be on your team
Speaker 1: just in the league from your perspective, can be on
Speaker 1: my team and warriors like you got it. We're going
Speaker 1: to play in the roughest, toughest whatever in the world.
Speaker 5: I need four Warriors to go with me. No pun intended,
Speaker 5: not Warrior Wars. I'm taking uh Can I be on
Speaker 5: my team?
Speaker 1: No, they can't be on the Golden State Warriors, but
Speaker 1: four that are built like you to go somewhere.
Speaker 4: I'm taking a bron Okay, I am taking.
Speaker 5: John Moran. Mm hmmm. He ain't backing down from nobody.
Speaker 4: What y'all said. I'm running up to you and he
Speaker 4: running up. I'm taking Joab, I'm taking bron I am
Speaker 4: taking uh m hm that's interesting. That's interesting. I'm taking
Speaker 4: because see here's the thing there with me, I can
Speaker 4: bring the dog. So I just need guys who got
Speaker 4: the dog, Like, as long as you got it enough
Speaker 4: for us to stand on, I'll bring it.
Speaker 5: Bring it.
Speaker 4: So, joh, so I need you to be nice.
Speaker 5: But we need the dog too though. But that's what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So these are guys absolutely, but like they're nice. So
Speaker 4: what takes the cake is how good they are. So
Speaker 4: I need those guys. All right, I'll do that. I'll
Speaker 4: do that other ship. I can't wait till these last two.
Speaker 4: So I'm taking those two. I'm taking Uh. I'm taking Joker.
Speaker 1: Man, Joker, maybe the most shocking thing I heard today.
Speaker 5: Man, not dude, the animal. He is an He told
Speaker 5: you how Grety was here? An animal dog like. He
Speaker 5: don't talk, No, he don't flown it. You ain't moving
Speaker 5: him off his spot.
Speaker 1: You're not rattling him with nothing, nothing like nothing is
Speaker 1: rattling nothing here.
Speaker 5: An animal. I'm taking him. He's he's all timer already.
Speaker 5: I'm taking Joker. You got one more, and my last
Speaker 5: one I'm taking is uh. Shake Gills is out center.
Speaker 1: He talked to JJ yesterday, and it wasn't the and
Speaker 1: I'm saying that to say this, it wasn't the all
Speaker 1: what's up? It was like the talk you had with
Speaker 1: him in the bay in the finals. It was a
Speaker 1: real talk. And to hear him, I said, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a dog. He's a real dog. Ain't no, he
Speaker 1: ain't no fake dog like He's a dog. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: so his mindset was impressive to hear. So it's you
Speaker 1: joh S g A bron and joker and then five
Speaker 1: dogs can go anywhere.
Speaker 5: Anywhere and get it done. Were going to service anywhere.
Speaker 4: We're going anywhere, and we got obviously the talent. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but each one of those guys that I named stand
Speaker 4: on business. May do it quietly, may.
Speaker 1: Do it allowet they gonna do it, but they stand
Speaker 1: on business and I respect that.
Speaker 4: And you're talking guys like these are all guys by
Speaker 4: the way that carried low. They stand on business though,
Speaker 4: and they dogs, And I got nothing but respect and
Speaker 4: love for those guys. So like the common answer would
Speaker 4: be like Pat Bev you know, but like I'll bring that.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like I'll bring that like myself,
Speaker 4: I'll bring that. So give me somebody who a dog,
Speaker 4: but they can go do all that other ship that
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: And them the guys, do you see anybody else that
Speaker 1: can be who can be the next not to a
Speaker 1: t not perfectly molded, who can be the next generation
Speaker 1: of your's.
Speaker 5: Up my way? You said that quick, you thought about this. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I love that kid man. He and I don't know
Speaker 5: what's happening right now in Houston.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen them play a ton, but I haven't
Speaker 4: heard a ton about him, So I don't know if
Speaker 4: he's playing a lot this year. You know, it can
Speaker 4: be tough with coaching changes and different stuff, directions of organizations.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, they was getting smacked last year
Speaker 4: white like mopped across the court. And then now you
Speaker 4: bring in Emay, you bring in Fred, you bring in
Speaker 4: Dylan Brooks, you bring in guys Jeff Green, winners. You're
Speaker 4: trying to change it, and sometimes young guys can get
Speaker 4: lost in that, you know, And so I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if he's gotten lost in it or not. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I haven't seen them play a ton, but from what
Speaker 4: I've seen from him, he can dribble the ball, can
Speaker 4: shoot it okay, But you can you can like you
Speaker 4: can better, Yeah, you can better a jump shot so
Speaker 4: you can drivele the ball. He's a good athlete. He's
Speaker 4: not crazy freak athlete, but he's a good athlete. Great length,
Speaker 4: great size, rebound the ball. Ain't like not soft at all,
Speaker 4: ain't backing down from nothing like does the little things.
Speaker 5: I say, Tara East, Now you gotta get in the
Speaker 5: right situation. But I love his game.
Speaker 4: I love what he brings to a team, and I
Speaker 4: think he got a chance to be like that next
Speaker 4: guy if he embraced it though, you know, because a
Speaker 4: lot of these young guys wouldn't want to embrace being me,
Speaker 4: you know, like it's not sexy.
Speaker 5: But it's so important.
Speaker 1: I've very rarely, and I stayed the game for a
Speaker 1: long time, very rarely have I seen two teammates that
Speaker 1: was connected and lean on each other like you and
Speaker 1: Steph in fact, And it's amazing. When I watch I
Speaker 1: just laugh. I'm like this is because when I was
Speaker 1: in competition, I didn't see it, But now I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is is beautiful to watch because you guys are
Speaker 1: switching rolls within the game, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy to see. And that's the Chinese riddle.
Speaker 1: That's the one that nobody can figure out. It's so
Speaker 1: funny you say that because CP.
Speaker 4: And being with us now, he come up to me
Speaker 4: and he's like, yo, you and Steph should switch positions now,
Speaker 4: like you take the ball to him running to dragt.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you watching it and me and C haven't
Speaker 1: even talked about that, but I can see it. It's
Speaker 1: crazy to see, but it's beautiful, and you guys will
Speaker 1: go down just as the connection of two players and
Speaker 1: their success. I mean, obviously you have the the Jordan's
Speaker 1: Pippins shot up all the but you guys will go
Speaker 1: down up there with duels that are just as connected
Speaker 1: and lean on each other just as beautiful.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, no doubt, my man. Thank you always
Speaker 4: the same time. Man, always a pleasure. I could talk
Speaker 4: basketball with you all day. Thank you, my brother, absolutely
Speaker 4: one of the goats.
Speaker 5: It's a wrap. Appreciate your peace.