Speaker 1: Well bred. First of all, thanks for coming on our podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about putting, and I was fascinated
Speaker 1: to see your list of the ten best patterns that
Speaker 1: ever lived. And it reminded me of when I spent
Speaker 1: some time with Justin Tucked, the football player, and now
Speaker 1: we're talking about all time great football players, and he
Speaker 1: said something very significant. He said, how do you determine
Speaker 1: who are the best? And the only way you can
Speaker 1: determine the best is the record book. And when I
Speaker 1: look at your list, and I'd like you to tell me,
Speaker 1: you know, just going over your list, what may you
Speaker 1: decide on these guys, is your ten best patterns? And
Speaker 1: then I'm going to have my answer to you. So
Speaker 1: the list of anybody's top ten list, whether it's the
Speaker 1: best putters, like I showed the best players of all time, Gary,
Speaker 1: that the best golf courses that you your favorite courses,
Speaker 1: if you make this list, there's a subjective this to
Speaker 1: this right, everybody has their opinions. But I think for me,
Speaker 1: there were a few things that I want to identify.
Speaker 1: First of all, I made a mistake early by not
Speaker 1: saying this is for p g A tour players. I
Speaker 1: upset some of the ladies, and I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: do that. I'm not an expert on women's professional golf,
Speaker 1: but I know that they were very very uh grit.
Speaker 1: Some great uh LPGA players are great putters. But for
Speaker 1: the p g A Tour players, I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: putting for importance is really one of the things on
Speaker 1: the list. How many times did you win in a
Speaker 1: whole put under pressure? And like you said about greatness
Speaker 1: or superstar winning six majors if you if you were
Speaker 1: a great putter, like someone like Morris Atowski, who won
Speaker 1: several times on the PGA Tour, was noted to be
Speaker 1: a great putter. He didn't win major championships. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to have major champions in there. I wanted to
Speaker 1: have players that weren't just young. I mean, there were
Speaker 1: people that were pauled that I didn't have Jordan's speech
Speaker 1: or um, let's say Jason Day on there, and I said, listen, um,
Speaker 1: I want them to prove over the test of time.
Speaker 1: There has to be some longevity to this. And there
Speaker 1: were a lot of players that put it good for
Speaker 1: just a few years. Fuzzy Zella, but he didn't put
Speaker 1: great for a long time. Um, that's why this list
Speaker 1: is hard to do. And and then I had some
Speaker 1: preferences for players that I thought just really looked good
Speaker 1: doing it. And after putting Tiger Woods first, I had
Speaker 1: Ben Crenshaw and Sevy by Steros arguably two of the
Speaker 1: best putters in history that did it for a long time.
Speaker 1: But they just looked very good as they did it well.
Speaker 1: Very good point. And uh, it's fascinating and to debate
Speaker 1: on this particular subject is interesting for the people. And
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to remember longevity, longevity in sport,
Speaker 1: irrespective what sport it is. How are you judge great players,
Speaker 1: how you judge great pat does in sport? Longevity has
Speaker 1: an awful lot to do that many people, as you
Speaker 1: correctly said, they come along and they put well for
Speaker 1: a few years, and then you don't hear them again. Now,
Speaker 1: you were very humble in your list, which obviously I
Speaker 1: admire you for your your personality and your your the
Speaker 1: fact that you're a humble, wonderful gentleman, and I've always
Speaker 1: admired you. Nobody put it much better than you did.
Speaker 1: How you remain so tall, I don't know you were
Speaker 1: bending down so much. I thought you'd be five ft three,
Speaker 1: but anyway, you hold so many many pats that and
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas look at the puts he hold too. When
Speaker 1: you know, if people forget he were not only in
Speaker 1: eighteen majors, were second nineteen times. You know you've got
Speaker 1: to be some kind of a pudder to do that.
Speaker 1: Arn O Parmer he had a very short career, the
Speaker 1: only one majors for six years. But in those six years,
Speaker 1: let me tell you he charged every poddy, had never
Speaker 1: left a pat sort ever. He hold more five footas
Speaker 1: than anybody that ever lived coming back amazing. So uh.
Speaker 1: And doug Ford people, most golfer has never heard of.
Speaker 1: Doug Ford. He won the PGA and the Masters at
Speaker 1: a jab stroke. Casper jab I listened on that one
Speaker 1: of the networks about a player missing a putty, said,
Speaker 1: oh he jabbed it. Well, three of the three of
Speaker 1: the ten best padders all jabbed the ball. They never
Speaker 1: followed through at all. So it's not the stroke, it's
Speaker 1: the field. It's the eye. It has that that little
Speaker 1: feeling of how to put. It's a gift. It's a
Speaker 1: gift you had it. So let's talk about that that
Speaker 1: field or that you know, you call it a jab stroke. Um.
Speaker 1: Today some players make call that a pop stroke, like
Speaker 1: the brand Snedecker. But on on the list of the
Speaker 1: top ten players that I chose, um, and if maybe
Speaker 1: if we went even too the top twenty all time players,
Speaker 1: there was only one of those players, and Raymond Floyd
Speaker 1: would have been that one that used to maw putter.
Speaker 1: He used his zebra putter for a long time, and
Speaker 1: there weren't many mallet putters. You used to blade, Crenshaw
Speaker 1: used to blade. Even now they call the ping putters blades. Um.
Speaker 1: In today's world, if you look at the top twenty
Speaker 1: five world ranking players, seventeen or eighteen of those players
Speaker 1: are using mallet putters. But the putting statistics. Have you
Speaker 1: looked at the stats since the last twenty years since
Speaker 1: shot linked data, putting stats really haven't gotten better. You know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned how the greens are in such a good
Speaker 1: shape now they're like the pool table or a snooker table.
Speaker 1: Why don't you think the the stats have gotten better now?
Speaker 1: Does it have something to do with pin places being
Speaker 1: on more slope. Well, that's a very debatable issue. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think personally, I don't think that the putters today,
Speaker 1: other than Jordan's speech, I don't think they put it
Speaker 1: as well as uh as Tiger Woods has been crunch
Speaker 1: yours Balastro, says Bobby lack. Uh all these guys, I
Speaker 1: don't think these guys today actually they hit the ball
Speaker 1: much further. They can hit the ball in the rough
Speaker 1: and still score. I think their grooves on the clubs.
Speaker 1: I think the bunkers are all raked with a machine,
Speaker 1: whether it's some back too or I mean, we we played,
Speaker 1: we never had rakes. We raked with our feet. I
Speaker 1: went to this vicretary of the British Open and said,
Speaker 1: I love the British Open. Please, sir, can I donate
Speaker 1: eighteen rates to this uh the British Open. He kicked
Speaker 1: me out of his office. He said I was being
Speaker 1: insolent because I said, in America they have rights. So
Speaker 1: you know, you can't really say, I mean Tiger Woods
Speaker 1: is putting stood out. There's no question Tiger Woods should
Speaker 1: have won. I think, as I'm being repetitive now, you
Speaker 1: should have won at least twenty five majors, at least
Speaker 1: twenty five. There's no question that Tiger, which is the
Speaker 1: most talented golfer that ever lived. Will his record be
Speaker 1: that good? I I didn't know. Will he Will he
Speaker 1: come back and win torments? I hope. So we're all
Speaker 1: pulling for Tiger Wood. But what do you think, I mean,
Speaker 1: why do you think tiger Why do you think he
Speaker 1: petted so well? I think there's you talk about it factor.
Speaker 1: I think on the putting green, there's something called the
Speaker 1: will factor. UM. And I learned a lot from players
Speaker 1: that were much better than me and more experienced. When
Speaker 1: I first got out on the tour, I tried to
Speaker 1: play with some of the best putters. And one of
Speaker 1: the guys we haven't talked about that how to have
Speaker 1: watched you growing up, was Mark McNulty, who I played
Speaker 1: a lot with when I first turned professional. I knew
Speaker 1: a lot of the South Africa's in the Rhodesians because
Speaker 1: they worked with David Ledbetter back in the early eighties
Speaker 1: when he was teaching Nick Price. UM. I got to
Speaker 1: know Dennis Watson and Gavin Levinson and McNulty. And McNulty
Speaker 1: had an old bull's eye. He had an interesting grip
Speaker 1: where he had both his index fingers down the shaft
Speaker 1: and kind of closed the face back and through But
Speaker 1: he was one of the best putters I've ever seen
Speaker 1: on bad green and when the Greens got worse, he
Speaker 1: got better. And that doesn't make sense, doesn't But but
Speaker 1: being great doesn't make sense either, because you can't think normally.
Speaker 1: You have to think super realistically. And I think players
Speaker 1: that played well putted well one majors, that traveled the
Speaker 1: world like you did, they had something inside whether they're
Speaker 1: born with it, learned and accumulated that over time. To me,
Speaker 1: that's the most fascinating part about this game. Some of
Speaker 1: it's explainable, some of it's just not. And we we've
Speaker 1: all watched Tiger, haven't we, And and in the in
Speaker 1: the in the years when he was winning his major championships,
Speaker 1: it seemed like every week he was in contention every
Speaker 1: put that he had to make. Like watching Jack or
Speaker 1: like watching you, you knew the importance of them, but
Speaker 1: you somehow could gather yourself together and make those puts.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what you call the in factor. I
Speaker 1: call the will. That's what McNulty had when the Greens
Speaker 1: got worse. And how do we put those things together
Speaker 1: for a long period of times? What really intrigues me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the question you asked me, why why the status
Speaker 1: are not better to day in spite of a debatedly
Speaker 1: debatedly are better or though Bobby Jones and a lot
Speaker 1: of guys padded with a blade patter, a little old
Speaker 1: thin blade pattern and padded extremely well. But golf, you know,
Speaker 1: I basically study genetics every day of my life, and
Speaker 1: golf is very similar to genetics. You know a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot about nothing that's right, that's what it's ready.
Speaker 1: Golf is the most contradictory sport that exists. The swing
Speaker 1: takes let's say one second, and they've probably been over
Speaker 1: four million words written about that swing. It's you can't comprehend,
Speaker 1: can you? No, you can't, you can't all I know
Speaker 1: what you said, you can't. You can't an eyes that
Speaker 1: you cannot describe it. But there's certain basic fundamentals and
Speaker 1: I still think I know. I mean, I played, I
Speaker 1: played with people like Tommy Armore, I mean before your
Speaker 1: father was born even and also we played. I played
Speaker 1: with Gens Derrison, wonderful golfers, wonderful golfers, and they they
Speaker 1: were doing things, and they had a swing that was
Speaker 1: absolutely marvelous. When you talk about uh, you know the swings?
Speaker 1: What are the legends do the greatest players of all time?
Speaker 1: I know, you know a friend of mine named Lucas Waald,
Speaker 1: he's a great instructor. He carried for you in Houston
Speaker 1: one year and he's he's studied the swing as much
Speaker 1: as anybody, and he ironically did the top ten all
Speaker 1: time great swings which you were on. Um. And it
Speaker 1: was amazing how many of those top ten players swings
Speaker 1: and how they were as potters too. Um. But I
Speaker 1: think we have to learn from the greats and how
Speaker 1: did they think? How did they feel? And the more
Speaker 1: I learn, and Gary, um as I've becoming, you know,
Speaker 1: known as it maybe a golfing putting instructor. Um. The
Speaker 1: more I learned, the less I know. Really, but um,
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated that more and more this is less about
Speaker 1: what the putter does, going back and through about more
Speaker 1: that is about how you prepare, how you think, how
Speaker 1: you practice, and I think how you practice even to
Speaker 1: go warm up to go play is different than what
Speaker 1: you would practice on a week off. I think I
Speaker 1: see one of the mistakes I see some man of
Speaker 1: the modern day players is they're always using some kind
Speaker 1: of a device to measure everything they do. And to me,
Speaker 1: I think it's okay for a little bit, but they
Speaker 1: start losing their feel their own fields. What do you
Speaker 1: feel about that? Now you're a correct and one of
Speaker 1: the things. But look, I always admire the young players
Speaker 1: today as I've admired the young of the players of
Speaker 1: the post. But one thing they've to stop. Bread, is
Speaker 1: this a piece of paper and looking at a book
Speaker 1: where to put? Now? Goodness, bread, you know they're not
Speaker 1: better patters than existed in the past at all. In fact,
Speaker 1: they might not be as good as the past. Nobody
Speaker 1: ever read a book where to put? If I don't
Speaker 1: play exhibitions. I played an exhibition for Chick fil A
Speaker 1: yesterday in in a Georgia. I played, of course I've
Speaker 1: never seen in my life. I never misread one, but
Speaker 1: I might not hit it there. But honest the goodness,
Speaker 1: if you can't read a green after two or three
Speaker 1: days of practice on the golf course, you've got a
Speaker 1: serious problem. You better take stock of yourself. Sure, you
Speaker 1: still got to use your your gift of talent. You've
Speaker 1: got to use your eyes, you've got to use your feel.
Speaker 1: You can take a long put of forty ft. You
Speaker 1: can put long pat cross handed any way you like.
Speaker 1: It's still the field that knocks the ball that close.
Speaker 1: It's not that stroke. It's the field and the eye
Speaker 1: coordination that you cannot describe. You know, I throw a
Speaker 1: ball to you, one guy go and I throw it
Speaker 1: quickly at you. Another guy goes, another guy just like this.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't how to catch it. A lady
Speaker 1: gets in a car, or some of your man gets
Speaker 1: in a car and they're driving and they can't prevent
Speaker 1: the car accident if they had good reflexes. They don't.
Speaker 1: There's so many things about this game that we really
Speaker 1: don't know, but I will say one thing, having spent
Speaker 1: time with Ben Hogan, who was, without a question, the
Speaker 1: greatest striker of a ball from Tito Green, you had
Speaker 1: to see it to believe it. They basically did when
Speaker 1: they were swinging the club. Now we're off the putting,
Speaker 1: they basically did. They did two movements, or they did
Speaker 1: one movement, one movement in the swing that everybody else did,
Speaker 1: and that was a movement that you had to do.
Speaker 1: Now you can make the different movements. You can be
Speaker 1: trying something that Ben Hogan told you and told me,
Speaker 1: and we do it and we look completely differ it.
Speaker 1: That's why the game is so confusing. And there's so
Speaker 1: many hidden factors in this game. And we must never
Speaker 1: there's that we are ever saying in business. And if
Speaker 1: young there're two saints. And if young people starting out
Speaker 1: would listen to this trust instinct to the end though
Speaker 1: it rendered no reason. And the other thing is Winston
Speaker 1: church and I have a lot of young guys coming
Speaker 1: to me and say, how do I become a champion?
Speaker 1: I don't know? How do I become a good putter?
Speaker 1: I don't know? And Winston Churchill said something which puts
Speaker 1: it in a nutshell, the greatest saying of my life.
Speaker 1: And Winston Churchill was the greatest leader that ever lived
Speaker 1: when you think what he went through, and the courage
Speaker 1: and the command of the English language, etcetera, and the
Speaker 1: sense of humor. But he said to people, and they
Speaker 1: asked him why he was successful, he said, you know
Speaker 1: the height that great men reached and kept a lot
Speaker 1: of players play well, but they don't keep it for
Speaker 1: very long. We're not attained by in flight. He says
Speaker 1: that when my opponents were sleeping, I was toiling upward
Speaker 1: in the night. And that's what you gotta do. You've
Speaker 1: got to outwork him. And that's what Hogan did, and
Speaker 1: that's what all the top players I ever saw, they
Speaker 1: were workers. Look at Tiger woods Man right forever. This
Speaker 1: guy's got to focus like I've never seen engulf this guy.
Speaker 1: He was in another world. I'd love to respond to that.
Speaker 1: First of all, Winston Churchill has a book that I
Speaker 1: just started reading called The Splendid in the Vial. It
Speaker 1: just came out, and he's intriguing to no end. But
Speaker 1: when when we go when we talk about putting greatness, longevity,
Speaker 1: is it learned? Is it born? Can you accumulate it
Speaker 1: as you get older? Um? I think one of the
Speaker 1: things I'm the most proud about my putting stats were
Speaker 1: as I got older, my putting statistics got better, So
Speaker 1: I lead the putting stats and in the nineties and
Speaker 1: early two thousands when I was forty years old. So
Speaker 1: when people say, oh, you were lucky, you were born
Speaker 1: a good putter, it's really an insult because I spent
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours on a practice putting green
Speaker 1: from the time I was, you know, really serious about
Speaker 1: the game. A twelve thirteen years old, I didn't ever
Speaker 1: want to get off the green. I put it in
Speaker 1: my room at night. I never left my clubs at
Speaker 1: the course. I always brought them back to my room.
Speaker 1: I always had a club even now. You know, I
Speaker 1: got my putter right here. Most of the time when
Speaker 1: I have a conversation with somebody, putters in my hand.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling the grip. I sense it in my fingers,
Speaker 1: in my hands. I don't like to put it down.
Speaker 1: I love this part of the game. And and to me,
Speaker 1: if if I had to pass something on, you better
Speaker 1: love this part of the game. And uh, if you
Speaker 1: want to be good for a long time, as people think,
Speaker 1: oh it's unfair, the ball can lip out, it's only
Speaker 1: four and a quarter inches. And then people would have
Speaker 1: been they would say, well, if you just made the
Speaker 1: whole bigger, it would make it easier for everybody. Do
Speaker 1: you a match A money puts you at hold? If
Speaker 1: the ball, the ball, the whole the cup was twice
Speaker 1: as big, he would have made way more than everybody else.
Speaker 1: Um so that doesn't make sense to me, because everybody
Speaker 1: else with a hold boy as will. But but all
Speaker 1: the great putters would have been better if the whole
Speaker 1: is bigger that that argument doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: But I think that you know, I left myself off
Speaker 1: that list Gary because I didn't want to make it
Speaker 1: sound about me. And I know any list is controversial,
Speaker 1: but you know, I've been helping Rory McElroy and was
Speaker 1: putting for the last three years. He's one of those
Speaker 1: talented players out there. It's one four major championships. He's
Speaker 1: just turned thirty two. Um, and he won last week
Speaker 1: at Wells Fargo by having some of the greatest putting
Speaker 1: numbers of his career. And I put him tenth on
Speaker 1: my list. And did I put him tempt because? Um?
Speaker 1: I wanted to create a little bit of a stirry. Yes,
Speaker 1: because I helped him. Yes. Did he see the list, yes?
Speaker 1: Did he put better? Yes? Did he win? Yes? So
Speaker 1: is that coaching too? Is that given some confidence? Maybe? Um?
Speaker 1: Do you think about it? I don't know, but I've
Speaker 1: seen him part when he's not at a tournament, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy is pretty gifted. He's only thirty two,
Speaker 1: which seems to be I mean, how much how is
Speaker 1: your career pre thirty two and post thirty two for championships?
Speaker 1: Yourself but I was very I was different. I won
Speaker 1: the British Open or the Open when I was twenty three.
Speaker 1: I was the youngest to win it at the stage.
Speaker 1: And I had already completed the Grand Slam when I
Speaker 1: was twenty nine. And if I may digress for a minute,
Speaker 1: I said to my wife, nobody will ever beat that.
Speaker 1: Nicholas came along and did it at twenty six. Now
Speaker 1: listen to this. And I went focused to listen to this.
Speaker 1: The greatest sporting achievement in the history of sport, any sport,
Speaker 1: you like, man, woman, whoever it may be. Tiger Woods
Speaker 1: winning the Grand Slam at twenty four. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not on, that's not on. But you know it. This
Speaker 1: is this is the wonderful thing talking to you because, uh,
Speaker 1: the experience and the how things different, how people's minds work,
Speaker 1: and how they go about it. And I would never
Speaker 1: have put Rory. I mean, I am Rory McElroy's biggest fan.
Speaker 1: I know Rory McElroy and I've said it every year
Speaker 1: and he hasn't done it yet. Will win the Grand
Speaker 1: Slab because he has the best golf swing on the
Speaker 1: tour bar none, There's no question. And but I have not.
Speaker 1: I thought if he had a weakness, if he had
Speaker 1: a weakness, it was he's putting. Now he's won four majors,
Speaker 1: so you can still get better. It doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: good you are. And I'm so pleased that he is
Speaker 1: having lessons with you because you, first of all can
Speaker 1: impart to him the knowledge that is important. And I
Speaker 1: was so happy to see him win and he will
Speaker 1: go on and win a lot of golf torments in
Speaker 1: the future. Will you take somebody like Rory McElroy and
Speaker 1: you teach him to put You know, what have you?
Speaker 1: What have you basically um to improve his putting? Whether
Speaker 1: it's mental of course, you know the big thing you
Speaker 1: and you would agree with me, and I'll answer that
Speaker 1: a little bit before you do you when you play golf,
Speaker 1: if you don't believe in yourself and honestly, bred I
Speaker 1: can tell you, sincerely, without boasting, when I played against
Speaker 1: nick Jack Nicholas, I never felt he would ever beat me.
Speaker 1: When I got on the first tear of the World
Speaker 1: match play in England, thirty six holes two years in
Speaker 1: a row, long off of course, I've been in six
Speaker 1: and four, five and four, and everybody said I have
Speaker 1: no chance, you've got to believe and Jack Nicholas did
Speaker 1: that and Tiger Woods did that. To do anything, well,
Speaker 1: you have to start off believing yourself that you can
Speaker 1: do it. And obviously, with Rory winning four majors and
Speaker 1: with the talent that he has, if he does, he
Speaker 1: definitely believes in himself. And I mean you only go
Speaker 1: to look at Jordan's feet. I mean, this guy is
Speaker 1: a phenomenal pattern not good phenomenal. He's the best in
Speaker 1: the world right now as time being repetitive from a
Speaker 1: hundred yards in and the patting the Open championship he
Speaker 1: won at was it toy like no know at birtdo
Speaker 1: bick out he I've never seen a tourment one like
Speaker 1: that in my life and I never will look again.
Speaker 1: It was just wonderful to see because it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you drive the green or you hold a long pat.
Speaker 1: It's just school. It matters. But now I want to
Speaker 1: hear what basically you did to get Drury to to
Speaker 1: pet better in this last tournament. Well, it's it's a
Speaker 1: there's a it's a great question. And first of all,
Speaker 1: I was just honored that he would even asked me
Speaker 1: to even think that I could help him. And three
Speaker 1: years ago, in March and two thousand and eighteen, UM
Speaker 1: he asked me to watch him hit some puts before
Speaker 1: he went up to play at Arnold Palmer's tournament at Bayhood.
Speaker 1: So I I was nervous. I had watched some videos
Speaker 1: of a stroke, but I felt like, here's a guy
Speaker 1: that's he had one fifteen times already on the PGA
Speaker 1: to read one four majors. I know he's gifted, he's talented.
Speaker 1: His putting stats have been poor for three years in
Speaker 1: a row. He was working with a different putting instructor
Speaker 1: when he called me, uh, and I just I feel like,
Speaker 1: for someone in that caliber, I've got to let the
Speaker 1: talent that he has come out right. He obviously has
Speaker 1: that he eat one Kiwa at the p GA by
Speaker 1: what how many shots? Leaven shots or tenn shots? He
Speaker 1: dusted the field and he did that by incredible driving,
Speaker 1: incredible putting. So how do you get that out of
Speaker 1: a person. And I'm learning that more and more every
Speaker 1: time I teach anywhere, whether it's at beginner golfer, one
Speaker 1: of the best of the world. So for Rory, one
Speaker 1: of my philosophies are thoughts in putting is that when
Speaker 1: you get too many lessons and too many thoughts and
Speaker 1: players look like they I say, it looks like they're
Speaker 1: reading an instruction manual on how to do it while
Speaker 1: they're over and everything looks slow, everything looks piece feel together.
Speaker 1: That doesn't look like there's any kind of continue. It
Speaker 1: was motion. And I always thought the players that were
Speaker 1: good didn't stay still for too long over the putt,
Speaker 1: and I thought with Rory that that's what I saw immediately.
Speaker 1: Um and we we actually hit some puts with different
Speaker 1: clubs besides the putter. We hit puts with a sand
Speaker 1: wed without. He took a five without. Gary was amazing.
Speaker 1: At the Bars Club where you practice a lot with,
Speaker 1: Jack built a fantastic practice facility. Greens. There were thirteen
Speaker 1: or fourteen on the stimpmeter. The wind was blowing, and
Speaker 1: I made Rory hit three fifteen foot puts with the
Speaker 1: five would He had never done this before. He was
Speaker 1: putting this five wood in the bag to go play
Speaker 1: at Augusta like Gray Floyd did when he won. And
Speaker 1: and Rory putted these three balls, made all three of them.
Speaker 1: You could see leaves blown because the wind was blowing
Speaker 1: so hard. And it was kind of at that point
Speaker 1: that I think I gained a little bit of his
Speaker 1: trust that this is something he needed to go back
Speaker 1: and and I'd be interested to hear what you think,
Speaker 1: because I think he he had lost his instincts, he
Speaker 1: had lost his freedom to his putting. And and look,
Speaker 1: I go in and maybe differently than the average putting
Speaker 1: instructor or a golf swing teacher. Most of the time
Speaker 1: players now go to get somebody to look at them
Speaker 1: when they're not playing well, not hitting it well, not
Speaker 1: putting well, and they always try to find what's wrong.
Speaker 1: I do the opposite. Either try to find what's right.
Speaker 1: What do they do well? First? What do they think
Speaker 1: about when they're putting their best? How do they think
Speaker 1: um and how do they feel? And then how do
Speaker 1: you get those fields to come out to them? That's
Speaker 1: that's where I start, because I think if I can
Speaker 1: get their comfort level back, then their stroke and their
Speaker 1: mechanics improved without even telling them to do anything. And
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of this. If there's a secret sauce,
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do every time I see the player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: makes such sense. That's you see, but you see, you've
Speaker 1: been in the arena. That's the big thing. If I
Speaker 1: was a young pro having a lesson. Now, I think
Speaker 1: their category is like everything in life. I love the
Speaker 1: club pros. They help their members and they are tremendous
Speaker 1: for golf and they do so much which we all appreciate.
Speaker 1: And then you have another category where a man can
Speaker 1: teach a young amateur at a club and do well.
Speaker 1: And then you get now, this is where we've got
Speaker 1: to be careful. Then you get another category where not
Speaker 1: many people can teach a touring pro. Look what happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, the best example I can give of this,
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods wins the US Open by fifteen shots, not
Speaker 1: five fifteen I heard of the next week. Basically, he's
Speaker 1: having a lesson because he was ambitious, he wanted he
Speaker 1: thought he could get better. I don't think he could
Speaker 1: have got a better If he came to me for
Speaker 1: a lesson, I would have said go home. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say a single word because I can only lose.
Speaker 1: I can only make you wish, I cannot make you better.
Speaker 1: Out of the fact that he believed he could climb
Speaker 1: Mount Everest. Well, that was to his detriment. If he
Speaker 1: never had a lesson Bred I'm telling you that, man,
Speaker 1: I know, he would have won twenty five majors, maybe thirty.
Speaker 1: There's not even a question about it. He was winning
Speaker 1: one and a half a year anyway, and he never
Speaker 1: went a major for eleven years. Now people can say
Speaker 1: his injuries Tiger Woods. With Tiger Woods, he was so
Speaker 1: focused and so good. He didn't worry about injuries. He
Speaker 1: he had a mind to overcome that injury. What injury?
Speaker 1: He won the US Open basically on one leg down
Speaker 1: in California, didn't he? And you know, you know what
Speaker 1: it is, Brad. I mean, we all played Thomas. We
Speaker 1: didn't worry about that injury. Man. We wanted to win
Speaker 1: the tournament. You're going in the battlefield. You can't tell
Speaker 1: a soldier you've got a sore leg. Well, we're in
Speaker 1: the battlefield. Not to the same comparison as a soldier,
Speaker 1: but in our life that battlefield is essential and you're
Speaker 1: gonna win at all costs. And so if you're gonna wait, Gary,
Speaker 1: if a player is gonna wait until everything feels perfect,
Speaker 1: where their body feels perfect, well every part of the
Speaker 1: game feels perfect, you're you're in for a long wait.
Speaker 1: And when Tiger he was warning the world back in
Speaker 1: when he came on the tour, he won two tournaments
Speaker 1: in the Falling beat Davis Loving the playoff at Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: and then he won the Masters by fifteen shots a
Speaker 1: year old, right, Um, he maybe just twenty two, but
Speaker 1: he he said, I was he was winning without his
Speaker 1: a game. And if you're gonna wait till every part
Speaker 1: of your game was perfect, you were in for a
Speaker 1: long time. But let me go one more thing on Rory. Um.
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time working with the sports
Speaker 1: psychologist you would do a named Bob Rotella, who helped
Speaker 1: a lot of players. And Rotella had some great quotes
Speaker 1: from some great players, and one of my favorites was
Speaker 1: from Mark Twain that was, the inability to forget is
Speaker 1: infinitely more devastating than the inability to remember. Let me
Speaker 1: say that again, the inability to forget is infinitely more
Speaker 1: devastating than the inability to remember. And one of the
Speaker 1: things with Rory when he when he went to Bay
Speaker 1: Hill after we spend that time um at the Bears Club,
Speaker 1: he went that night up there and he I said, look,
Speaker 1: I just want you on every day, I want you
Speaker 1: to write down or think about the feel of a
Speaker 1: great put that you hit that day. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: even have to have gone in, because everybody's hit beautiful
Speaker 1: puts that don't go in, and how you respond to
Speaker 1: those is really important, right you. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: in a good mood and you're playing great and you
Speaker 1: hit a good put that doesn't go in, you go,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the next one. If you're not in
Speaker 1: a good mood, if your mindsets and around place, you
Speaker 1: go there I am I'm screwed again. So is that
Speaker 1: attitude is something you can share with other people? And
Speaker 1: I think that's what greats over a long period of
Speaker 1: time where able to do. Because you missed a lot
Speaker 1: more puts than you make, didn't you? No, exactly, No,
Speaker 1: If anybody wants to have lessons, I'm putting they're going
Speaker 1: to come to you. So double your fee because you
Speaker 1: really you've been in the arena and that is so important.
Speaker 1: You know, you said something. But there again, there is
Speaker 1: a contradiction that you found people kept moving when they're
Speaker 1: over the Pats subway or other. Whether it's your eye,
Speaker 1: your hands, whatever it was, but Jack Nicholas was like
Speaker 1: a mummy when he got over the ball. He stood
Speaker 1: there and freezed. He was freezing, and yet he put
Speaker 1: it so well. So they're always contradictions to this game.
Speaker 1: And that's what people must realize. What works for Joe
Speaker 1: doesn't work for Mode. And and you also mentioned how
Speaker 1: you're putting has got better. Now I'm eighty five and
Speaker 1: I've beaten my age over three thousand times in a row. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want to be the first man to beat
Speaker 1: my age by eighteen shots. But to do that, I've
Speaker 1: done it sixteen times, three times. But to do at
Speaker 1: eight time, you've got a put well, And I find
Speaker 1: at eight five the one part of my game that
Speaker 1: is nothing like it used to be. I mean, I
Speaker 1: still hit every fairway and still play nicely, but the
Speaker 1: putting is good, it's not very good. So the putting
Speaker 1: you are an exception. Why does everybody who plays God
Speaker 1: think about this? Eventually? Arnold Palmer, Lead, now Sam Snead,
Speaker 1: all these guys, Ben Hogan, the whole lot all got
Speaker 1: the yips, every one of them got the hips. You
Speaker 1: know why, because the nerves we're out, nothing lost forever.
Speaker 1: Now you are. This is a good comparison. You hold
Speaker 1: you now, I'll be sixty and honest, okay you're sixty,
Speaker 1: so your putting is better now, you say, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if I say that, well, it says good.
Speaker 1: But now how would you How would you be? Now
Speaker 1: if you came down a Gusta with a British Open
Speaker 1: with how was to go and you were leading? Good?
Speaker 1: Do you think your petting would be? I'm alas can
Speaker 1: you do that? Only you know? Well? I have very
Speaker 1: I still have a lot of confidence in my putting. Gary,
Speaker 1: if I was leading the British Open by four shots
Speaker 1: like Tom Watson was when he was fifty nine with
Speaker 1: you when he was leading, Um, people would be surprised
Speaker 1: at me because I didn't hit it from A to
Speaker 1: B as well as most, but I could still get
Speaker 1: uh the pots. Hold and look, I made some very
Speaker 1: good pots in my career. I made some of the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup, I missed some of the Ryder Cup. I
Speaker 1: didn't make them to win a major, but um, I
Speaker 1: tried to pass on those experiences to everyone. I kind
Speaker 1: of look when you said that about Jack Nicholas, and
Speaker 1: I played with Jack a few times, really not in
Speaker 1: his prime but he did say to me he would
Speaker 1: stand over that ball until he felt more comfortable. And
Speaker 1: now it looks there's almost exceptions to every rule. Right now,
Speaker 1: Jack could do that. I wouldn't recommend teaching that. But
Speaker 1: if some good player said I really put better when
Speaker 1: I stand over it longer, and when I'm over in
Speaker 1: my crouch, that's I have to stay there until I
Speaker 1: see behind, I wouldn't object to that. But Gary and
Speaker 1: my experience, I've yet to have a man or woman younger, old, good,
Speaker 1: or great come to me and say, uh, I need
Speaker 1: to think about more, I need to take longer, I
Speaker 1: need to try harder. Uh. They always say things like
Speaker 1: I put better in practice, I put better in pro ams,
Speaker 1: I put better with my friends that I do in tournaments.
Speaker 1: I don't have players come back and say to me,
Speaker 1: I think I'll put better if I think about ten things.
Speaker 1: I think I'll put better if I take longer. I
Speaker 1: don't have players say that. So if they did do
Speaker 1: that like Jack did, I would be all for that,
Speaker 1: because to me, when you want to help someone get better,
Speaker 1: you want to create a good pre shot routine. And
Speaker 1: that pre shot routine is not just physical, it's mental.
Speaker 1: And how you go about thinking that should help you
Speaker 1: to hit a better pot or a better shot. And
Speaker 1: when we define confidence, and again another thing from Rotel
Speaker 1: and competent golfer is somebody that knows where that golf
Speaker 1: ball is going to go before they make their swing.
Speaker 1: They know they're gonna make that pot before they hit
Speaker 1: that pot. And that's what you're trying to do is
Speaker 1: help somebody get in that mindset more often. So we
Speaker 1: come back to what we said at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the show. What wins golf toms is the mind, yes,
Speaker 1: and some people are blessed to have that thing called it.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is putting you walk off the
Speaker 1: green and your three part and a vital moment in
Speaker 1: the torment, you feel a little low and you hold.
Speaker 1: You hit your drive in the rough the next hole,
Speaker 1: and you hit the next well in the bunker, and
Speaker 1: you put it and you blade it across the green
Speaker 1: and you hold the pot for a pa you walk
Speaker 1: off the green lock you've made an eagle. So the
Speaker 1: mind is always fluctuating, and that's what you've got to prevent.
Speaker 1: You've got to keep that mind positive all the time,
Speaker 1: irrespective getting a bad shot is part of the guy him.
Speaker 1: That's what people when I see young guys getting upset
Speaker 1: when their miss a short part, they stand there and
Speaker 1: look at it. Nobody's interested in that, miss it, and
Speaker 1: get the hell out of there. I think it's always
Speaker 1: the word I always said to myself. The next shot,
Speaker 1: the next one, forget that there's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: about it. You've got to realize there's nothing you can
Speaker 1: do the next one. Go about it with a prositive attitude,
Speaker 1: is what you would say. But I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: thing I would do if I was a man, start
Speaker 1: our youngster playing golf today. I'd start putting cross handed.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I would do, remember the genes
Speaker 1: of everybody, Like a fingerprint is different. Seven billion people
Speaker 1: have seven different fingerprints. Don't when a person, and my
Speaker 1: advice to a teacher teaching a young guy come along,
Speaker 1: don't alter his genes. Don't alter which is a natural
Speaker 1: thing for him to do for another movement in the string.
Speaker 1: What once you do that he's finished, You've got to
Speaker 1: add to what he's doing and build onto what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Don't change his natural kenness. The other wife he's gone.
Speaker 1: I love that, Gary, I would say One of the
Speaker 1: highlights of my life and career was when you came
Speaker 1: up to play our CBS charity Classic UM in Rhode
Speaker 1: Island where I grew up at Rhode Island Country. But
Speaker 1: what I learned to put and we got paired the
Speaker 1: first round with Arnold and Billy Andre, my co host,
Speaker 1: and I putted unbelievable that first round. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I would have shot on my old ball, but
Speaker 1: you made a bunch of punch of Bernie the first hole.
Speaker 1: And then when we got to the final hold of
Speaker 1: thirty six hole elevated green, you hit that iron shot
Speaker 1: in there to about fifteen feet and you had to
Speaker 1: make this tie Nick Price and I think Mark Calcibeccio,
Speaker 1: and there was a big crowd on that green, And
Speaker 1: when I watched you, I felt like I went back
Speaker 1: in time. I felt like this was a puppet you
Speaker 1: knew you were going to make before you made it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember it like I do,
Speaker 1: but you got very well. You made that thing right
Speaker 1: in the center of the cup. You made the greatest
Speaker 1: fist pump and hands raised. And that was Gary player
Speaker 1: that I watched on TV growing up for so so
Speaker 1: many years, and I think when you when you have it,
Speaker 1: like you talked about, it's hard for it to go away.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I would say, if you went and looked down
Speaker 1: the list I made or the list that you made,
Speaker 1: and all those players are in some sort of hall
Speaker 1: of fame, what we have traditionally called fundamentals in the
Speaker 1: game of golphin and putting, you know we would have
Speaker 1: been grip, stance, posture, alignment um. Every single player in
Speaker 1: that hall of fame looks different over the putter, right.
Speaker 1: They used a different putter, a different way to grip.
Speaker 1: They Some stood tall, some crouched down like jack Um,
Speaker 1: Some had their hands close to their legs like you did,
Speaker 1: like Bobby lock did. Some were more h technically like
Speaker 1: Tiger Jason day Um. Other players had different grips like
Speaker 1: doing with speed across handed. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would say any of those tradition of fundamentals are what
Speaker 1: we would say are applicable that have to do. But
Speaker 1: I do think that the best players they did two things.
Speaker 1: They generally not always hit the ball in the center
Speaker 1: of the putter. They hit the sweet spot, and they
Speaker 1: had an incredible ability to put what they saw the
Speaker 1: read of the green into motion with the ball. They
Speaker 1: could see the path of the arc the ball is
Speaker 1: going to take, um and look, is that something that
Speaker 1: you can teach or is that something you have to
Speaker 1: learn organically by just getting so many puts? Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and that would be my one thing. Players had good
Speaker 1: ability to read feel, so they could determined break in
Speaker 1: speed together. I don't believe that one is just more
Speaker 1: important than any other. They hit the center of the
Speaker 1: face most of the time, and then that that to me,
Speaker 1: would be one thing in common with everybody. Um. The
Speaker 1: second part fifth, I remember Ray Floyd saying one time
Speaker 1: that you have to get comfortable over the ball. Now,
Speaker 1: if you just told an average golfer to get comfortable,
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily going to make them in a position
Speaker 1: that allows the partner to swing the way it should.
Speaker 1: So UM, I would teach totally different to a beginner
Speaker 1: golfer than I would to somebody that's played for years
Speaker 1: and years. I wouldn't say to you, Gary, you need
Speaker 1: to stand up, caroller and move your arms away from
Speaker 1: your body if you've never done that in your life
Speaker 1: and you've won nine major championships and I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: But if you're the inner golfer and you have no
Speaker 1: way you know everybody when you may containing to go
Speaker 1: and they that doesn't feel comfortable. Well, sometimes things can't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable if you've never done it correctly. So um,
Speaker 1: I would say for average golfers, they need to get
Speaker 1: a lesson. You can see so much on TV now
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you know on what players did. There's almost
Speaker 1: too much instruction out there a matter of fact. But
Speaker 1: I think the way I would go about teaching champions
Speaker 1: offered the first at beginner offers. Bobby Locke said something
Speaker 1: to me that I've never heard mentioned ever, and that
Speaker 1: is when you put you ought to have the four
Speaker 1: to one rule. Now here's your cup. If you put
Speaker 1: the board comes at the right speed, it can go
Speaker 1: in on the right side, it could go on the
Speaker 1: back side, it can go in on the left side,
Speaker 1: or it can come in in the front of the cup.
Speaker 1: Four chances if you hit it hard. You've only got
Speaker 1: one chance. And that was a magnificent And I've never
Speaker 1: heard anybody said, you give yourself and if you can
Speaker 1: get four to one, go to Vegas on anything that's
Speaker 1: good odds so and the other thing is you've got
Speaker 1: to visualize. As you said, you've got to be able
Speaker 1: to read the green world. Man, that Tiger would read
Speaker 1: a green world good without a book. He read all
Speaker 1: the great part as I've seen, were great readers of
Speaker 1: the mean. And you've got to visualize right speed and
Speaker 1: the right the right curve of the ball. You gotta
Speaker 1: think you're gonna make it the most good pedest Still,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody but Well moving all over the
Speaker 1: place when they putting. And the other thing, you've got
Speaker 1: to accelerate. You cannot hold no shot. Can you play well? Decelerate.
Speaker 1: If I was a weekend golf and went out to tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I'm going to accelerate my driving. I'm going to accelerate
Speaker 1: out of the sand. I'm going to accelerate with my petter.
Speaker 1: Acceleration is imperative. All those things are great advice and
Speaker 1: coming from one of the greatest players I've ever lived, Gary,
Speaker 1: I love that four to one about Bobby lock and
Speaker 1: one of them beautiful, and then another thing about Bobby Locks.
Speaker 1: He started the um the conversation talking about him being
Speaker 1: the greatest player on your list. I know that he
Speaker 1: spent some time in Vermont. He did spend some time
Speaker 1: with Bob Rotella, and he was very Ben Hogan was
Speaker 1: very friendly with an LPGA player named Chris Cheddar who
Speaker 1: lived in Fort Worth, and he would often practice and
Speaker 1: watch Cris at balls, and Chris asked Bob Rotella to
Speaker 1: come have lunch with Ben Hogan and and Rotell a
Speaker 1: new Bobby Luck, and Rotella heard from Bobby that he
Speaker 1: had said that Ben Hogan was the best putter he
Speaker 1: ever saw. Bobby Lock said that about Ben Hogan. And
Speaker 1: when Bob Rotella told that to Hogan at that lunch,
Speaker 1: this would have been in the eighties, Ben was much
Speaker 1: older and lived a few years after. But Rotella told
Speaker 1: Ben Bobby Luck said, you're the greatest potter you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Then Hogan actually got cheery eyed at that lunch. Bob said,
Speaker 1: so Hogan had to be pretty good. I have played
Speaker 1: golf now as professional for just on seventy years plus
Speaker 1: minus whatever the number is, and we got a site
Speaker 1: to ourselves festiv all. What conditions did we play under?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know, we played golf, and
Speaker 1: I put Bobby Lock as the best pudder that ever lived.
Speaker 1: For assist or reason that I played a lot with
Speaker 1: him and I saw it with my own eyes. A
Speaker 1: lot of people in America and never ever saw Bobby
Speaker 1: lock and he won four British Opens. He came over
Speaker 1: here and won seven out of the first eleven tournaments,
Speaker 1: and they bared him. They barred him from playing. Nobody
Speaker 1: knows that because in those days they could do that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Because he was winning with every almost
Speaker 1: every week, they bought him. So the thing is this
Speaker 1: that he played on greens where they didn't have mowers
Speaker 1: like now. The greens were not even half as good
Speaker 1: as now. We as you know, we played with spike
Speaker 1: marks in our entire career. Two spike marks on every green.
Speaker 1: You didn't have a mower that could zoom across the
Speaker 1: green that you know, ten miles an hour and cut
Speaker 1: the green like a snooker table. Actually, the greens that
Speaker 1: played today are equivalent to a snooker table. We never
Speaker 1: saw that once in our life. So that's another thing
Speaker 1: that we've got to think about. The Other thing is
Speaker 1: they even put the pins in the same place every day. Now,
Speaker 1: you tell a young guy a few things that actually
Speaker 1: transpired when we played. They never changed the cups one day.
Speaker 1: Bobby Jones playing under those conditions. Bobby locked it in
Speaker 1: my first start of my career. They didn't change the cups.
Speaker 1: So you know now, and you've got a cup that
Speaker 1: you putting too for four straight days. That cup ain't
Speaker 1: round anymore. It's it's been, it's it's risen. So they
Speaker 1: keep the ball out of the hole, isn't allowed to
Speaker 1: go in. Yeah, So that's to me, is fascinating. But
Speaker 1: Bobby Luck, he put it under the most wicked conditions
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you something has been Hogan said, He said,
Speaker 1: you had to see it to believe it. Sam Snead
Speaker 1: played Bobby Lock in South Africa twenty two matches Bobby
Speaker 1: Lock one eighteen. They tied to and Snead and his
Speaker 1: prime one two and Sneak came back and said, listen, guys,
Speaker 1: you've bet a bet. You've bet a bet. There's bit
Speaker 1: this guy, Bobby Lock. You bet a bit him and
Speaker 1: the Torments and a lot of guys and Clayton Heffner
Speaker 1: bought a farm in Charlotte, not a farm, excuse me,
Speaker 1: a golf course, in fact, thirty six holes backing Lock
Speaker 1: against Hogan. Sneed the merit Mangram. All the great players
Speaker 1: that existed in those days, and not a lot of
Speaker 1: young players today. They don't realize how many great players
Speaker 1: they were in those days. But be that asn't made.
Speaker 1: You had to actually be around Lock to see how
Speaker 1: he putted. And I give him the nod because if
Speaker 1: he put it on greens like this, I don't know
Speaker 1: what we would have seen. But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: Tiger woods, it's hard. Actually we have to give Lock
Speaker 1: and Tiger tie because Tiger hole amazing puts on the
Speaker 1: last green. Now you know, Brad, if you hold a
Speaker 1: put on the second hole or you hold a put
Speaker 1: on the lost hole, it counts the same, except people, people,
Speaker 1: millions of people are seeing you do it on the
Speaker 1: lost hole. And Tiger was a king at doing that.
Speaker 1: And I admired his part. Uh, it's interesting to see
Speaker 1: that you never put Jordan's speed in and you mentioned
Speaker 1: Jordan's speek. Now, Jordan's speech to me in the world today,
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. Jordan's speak from a hundred
Speaker 1: yards in is the best player in the world, without
Speaker 1: a question. He's long game. I think, in my my
Speaker 1: humble opinion, he has four faults in his swing, and
Speaker 1: when he finds those out, he he if Jordan's Spee
Speaker 1: could find what's wrong with his swing, he would be
Speaker 1: number one in the world because he holds three chip
Speaker 1: shots at August on those greens. Jordan's Spee, I love him.
Speaker 1: He's a great American. People love him. He looks after
Speaker 1: his family. I just adore that. And but watch out
Speaker 1: when he finds out, when he finds out how to
Speaker 1: swing that golf club, the guy is gonna have to
Speaker 1: watch out. And I'm sure he will find out, and
Speaker 1: then he's He's like that in factor. And of all
Speaker 1: the players playing golf today, Jordan of speed has deep
Speaker 1: its defector. Now are you keen on the cross handed putting? Interestingly,
Speaker 1: I when I first got on a tour, there was
Speaker 1: a putting instructor named Dave Pell's. Pell's helped Tom kite Um.
Speaker 1: He had done some studies that showed that cross handed
Speaker 1: was an easier way to put for for players than
Speaker 1: I am. I'm very right handed with everything that I do,
Speaker 1: and when I when I put, I feel like I
Speaker 1: used my right side. So I feel like the left
Speaker 1: for cross handing for me would take the right side
Speaker 1: out and it would be more of a pulling action.
Speaker 1: But you know, We've seen what Bryson the Shambo has
Speaker 1: done with his arm lock. You know when he's when
Speaker 1: he's put that shaft against the side of his left arm. Um,
Speaker 1: and Bernard Langer was one of the first to do that.
Speaker 1: We see Webb Simpson arm lock. We see Matt Coucher
Speaker 1: do that. Um talk about things that I think should
Speaker 1: be illegal are not allowed by the U. S g
Speaker 1: a UM. I think crossing and it's nice, but I'm
Speaker 1: not a big fan of this armlock. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've said that's The founding fathers of our game wanted
Speaker 1: a free swinging club. They didn't want something attached to
Speaker 1: your body. That I agree with you. I like anchoring
Speaker 1: at all. But bread, this has really been so nice
Speaker 1: talking to you because we both love golf. We love
Speaker 1: to see golf go ahead. We want to see young
Speaker 1: people come out and be champions and play the game.
Speaker 1: To be grateful in life, Gratitude is a big thing,
Speaker 1: and to have the opportunity of living this country that
Speaker 1: ever existed is an honor. God bless you and God
Speaker 1: bless America. Gerry Uh, I love spending a minute with you,
Speaker 1: never mind an hour. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: You've been an inspiration in my life too, for me
Speaker 1: and my love of the game. I hope when I'm five,
Speaker 1: I can break my age by one shot once. So
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I can't wait to get
Speaker 1: to the golf course. I'm going out to hit right now.
Speaker 1: All right, take it bread, Godless. Don't forget to subscribe
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