WEBVTT - Brad Faxon 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.480 Well bred. First of all, thanks for coming on our podcast. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.600 You know, we're talking about putting, and I was fascinated 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.200 to see your list of the ten best patterns that 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.800 ever lived. And it reminded me of when I spent 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.560 some time with Justin Tucked, the football player, and now 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.560 we're talking about all time great football players, and he 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.960 said something very significant. He said, how do you determine 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.519 who are the best? And the only way you can 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.080 determine the best is the record book. And when I 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.199 look at your list, and I'd like you to tell me, 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.960 you know, just going over your list, what may you 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.920 decide on these guys, is your ten best patterns? And 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.680 then I'm going to have my answer to you. So 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.000 the list of anybody's top ten list, whether it's the 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.960 best putters, like I showed the best players of all time, Gary, 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.040 that the best golf courses that you your favorite courses, 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.280 if you make this list, there's a subjective this to 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:05.280 this right, everybody has their opinions. But I think for me, 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.720 there were a few things that I want to identify. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.679 First of all, I made a mistake early by not 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:13.920 saying this is for p g A tour players. I 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.200 upset some of the ladies, and I didn't mean to 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.600 do that. I'm not an expert on women's professional golf, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.760 but I know that they were very very uh grit. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.280 Some great uh LPGA players are great putters. But for 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.759 the p g A Tour players, I wanted to say, 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.920 putting for importance is really one of the things on 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.680 the list. How many times did you win in a 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:40.200 whole put under pressure? And like you said about greatness 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.160 or superstar winning six majors if you if you were 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.120 a great putter, like someone like Morris Atowski, who won 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.960 several times on the PGA Tour, was noted to be 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:54.200 a great putter. He didn't win major championships. So I 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.760 wanted to have major champions in there. I wanted to 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.040 have players that weren't just young. I mean, there were 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.320 people that were pauled that I didn't have Jordan's speech 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:07.960 or um, let's say Jason Day on there, and I said, listen, um, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.200 I want them to prove over the test of time. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.760 There has to be some longevity to this. And there 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.400 were a lot of players that put it good for 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.760 just a few years. Fuzzy Zella, but he didn't put 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.800 great for a long time. Um, that's why this list 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.440 is hard to do. And and then I had some 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.040 preferences for players that I thought just really looked good 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.520 doing it. And after putting Tiger Woods first, I had 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:35.079 Ben Crenshaw and Sevy by Steros arguably two of the 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.079 best putters in history that did it for a long time. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.440 But they just looked very good as they did it well. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.040 Very good point. And uh, it's fascinating and to debate 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.280 on this particular subject is interesting for the people. And 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:53.200 you know, you've got to remember longevity, longevity in sport, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.359 irrespective what sport it is. How are you judge great players, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.799 how you judge great pat does in sport? Longevity has 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.400 an awful lot to do that many people, as you 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.920 correctly said, they come along and they put well for 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.200 a few years, and then you don't hear them again. Now, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.520 you were very humble in your list, which obviously I 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.760 admire you for your your personality and your your the 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.400 fact that you're a humble, wonderful gentleman, and I've always 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.160 admired you. Nobody put it much better than you did. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.480 How you remain so tall, I don't know you were 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.280 bending down so much. I thought you'd be five ft three, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:39.360 but anyway, you hold so many many pats that and 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.440 Jack Nicholas look at the puts he hold too. When 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.800 you know, if people forget he were not only in 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.880 eighteen majors, were second nineteen times. You know you've got 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.760 to be some kind of a pudder to do that. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.280 Arn O Parmer he had a very short career, the 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.280 only one majors for six years. But in those six years, 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.160 let me tell you he charged every poddy, had never 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.080 left a pat sort ever. He hold more five footas 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:08.360 than anybody that ever lived coming back amazing. So uh. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.320 And doug Ford people, most golfer has never heard of. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.480 Doug Ford. He won the PGA and the Masters at 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.800 a jab stroke. Casper jab I listened on that one 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.280 of the networks about a player missing a putty, said, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.320 oh he jabbed it. Well, three of the three of 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.599 the ten best padders all jabbed the ball. They never 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.120 followed through at all. So it's not the stroke, it's 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.760 the field. It's the eye. It has that that little 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.599 feeling of how to put. It's a gift. It's a 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.479 gift you had it. So let's talk about that that 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.200 field or that you know, you call it a jab stroke. Um. 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.159 Today some players make call that a pop stroke, like 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.760 the brand Snedecker. But on on the list of the 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.400 top ten players that I chose, um, and if maybe 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.719 if we went even too the top twenty all time players, 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.560 there was only one of those players, and Raymond Floyd 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.440 would have been that one that used to maw putter. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.400 He used his zebra putter for a long time, and 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.120 there weren't many mallet putters. You used to blade, Crenshaw 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.080 used to blade. Even now they call the ping putters blades. Um. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.440 In today's world, if you look at the top twenty 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.200 five world ranking players, seventeen or eighteen of those players 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.360 are using mallet putters. But the putting statistics. Have you 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.400 looked at the stats since the last twenty years since 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.919 shot linked data, putting stats really haven't gotten better. You know, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.680 you mentioned how the greens are in such a good 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.239 shape now they're like the pool table or a snooker table. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.120 Why don't you think the the stats have gotten better now? 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.680 Does it have something to do with pin places being 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:47.000 on more slope. Well, that's a very debatable issue. Um, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.400 I don't think personally, I don't think that the putters today, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.120 other than Jordan's speech, I don't think they put it 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.200 as well as uh as Tiger Woods has been crunch 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.720 yours Balastro, says Bobby lack. Uh all these guys, I 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.159 don't think these guys today actually they hit the ball 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.400 much further. They can hit the ball in the rough 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.080 and still score. I think their grooves on the clubs. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.640 I think the bunkers are all raked with a machine, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:19.480 whether it's some back too or I mean, we we played, 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.200 we never had rakes. We raked with our feet. I 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.400 went to this vicretary of the British Open and said, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.240 I love the British Open. Please, sir, can I donate 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:31.400 eighteen rates to this uh the British Open. He kicked 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.040 me out of his office. He said I was being 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.680 insolent because I said, in America they have rights. So 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.400 you know, you can't really say, I mean Tiger Woods 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:47.159 is putting stood out. There's no question Tiger Woods should 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.320 have won. I think, as I'm being repetitive now, you 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.520 should have won at least twenty five majors, at least 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.320 twenty five. There's no question that Tiger, which is the 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.640 most talented golfer that ever lived. Will his record be 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:05.000 that good? I I didn't know. Will he Will he 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.160 come back and win torments? I hope. So we're all 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.560 pulling for Tiger Wood. But what do you think, I mean, 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.280 why do you think tiger Why do you think he 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:18.920 petted so well? I think there's you talk about it factor. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.960 I think on the putting green, there's something called the 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.720 will factor. UM. And I learned a lot from players 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.480 that were much better than me and more experienced. When 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:28.800 I first got out on the tour, I tried to 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.040 play with some of the best putters. And one of 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.080 the guys we haven't talked about that how to have 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.960 watched you growing up, was Mark McNulty, who I played 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.600 a lot with when I first turned professional. I knew 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.000 a lot of the South Africa's in the Rhodesians because 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.080 they worked with David Ledbetter back in the early eighties 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.880 when he was teaching Nick Price. UM. I got to 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.840 know Dennis Watson and Gavin Levinson and McNulty. And McNulty 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.320 had an old bull's eye. He had an interesting grip 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.080 where he had both his index fingers down the shaft 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.400 and kind of closed the face back and through But 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.480 he was one of the best putters I've ever seen 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:06.760 on bad green and when the Greens got worse, he 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.760 got better. And that doesn't make sense, doesn't But but 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.160 being great doesn't make sense either, because you can't think normally. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.760 You have to think super realistically. And I think players 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.200 that played well putted well one majors, that traveled the 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:26.640 world like you did, they had something inside whether they're 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.920 born with it, learned and accumulated that over time. To me, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.760 that's the most fascinating part about this game. Some of 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.640 it's explainable, some of it's just not. And we we've 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.079 all watched Tiger, haven't we, And and in the in 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.720 the in the years when he was winning his major championships, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.280 it seemed like every week he was in contention every 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.439 put that he had to make. Like watching Jack or 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.319 like watching you, you knew the importance of them, but 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.839 you somehow could gather yourself together and make those puts. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.079 And that's that's what you call the in factor. I 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.600 call the will. That's what McNulty had when the Greens 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.520 got worse. And how do we put those things together 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.200 for a long period of times? What really intrigues me, Yeah, 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.680 and the question you asked me, why why the status 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.559 are not better to day in spite of a debatedly 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.040 debatedly are better or though Bobby Jones and a lot 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.080 of guys padded with a blade patter, a little old 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.280 thin blade pattern and padded extremely well. But golf, you know, 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.120 I basically study genetics every day of my life, and 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.880 golf is very similar to genetics. You know a hell 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:36.400 of a lot about nothing that's right, that's what it's ready. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:42.199 Golf is the most contradictory sport that exists. The swing 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:47.720 takes let's say one second, and they've probably been over 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:53.720 four million words written about that swing. It's you can't comprehend, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.520 can you? No, you can't, you can't all I know 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.240 what you said, you can't. You can't an eyes that 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.319 you cannot describe it. But there's certain basic fundamentals and 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.280 I still think I know. I mean, I played, I 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:12.160 played with people like Tommy Armore, I mean before your 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.360 father was born even and also we played. I played 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:21.000 with Gens Derrison, wonderful golfers, wonderful golfers, and they they 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.160 were doing things, and they had a swing that was 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:27.840 absolutely marvelous. When you talk about uh, you know the swings? 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.840 What are the legends do the greatest players of all time? 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.079 I know, you know a friend of mine named Lucas Waald, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.560 he's a great instructor. He carried for you in Houston 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.600 one year and he's he's studied the swing as much 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.920 as anybody, and he ironically did the top ten all 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.520 time great swings which you were on. Um. And it 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.679 was amazing how many of those top ten players swings 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.559 and how they were as potters too. Um. But I 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.920 think we have to learn from the greats and how 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.640 did they think? How did they feel? And the more 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.760 I learn, and Gary, um as I've becoming, you know, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.719 known as it maybe a golfing putting instructor. Um. The 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.440 more I learned, the less I know. Really, but um, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.640 I'm fascinated that more and more this is less about 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.040 what the putter does, going back and through about more 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:21.120 that is about how you prepare, how you think, how 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.719 you practice, and I think how you practice even to 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.959 go warm up to go play is different than what 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.599 you would practice on a week off. I think I 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.400 see one of the mistakes I see some man of 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.000 the modern day players is they're always using some kind 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.920 of a device to measure everything they do. And to me, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.200 I think it's okay for a little bit, but they 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.920 start losing their feel their own fields. What do you 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.480 feel about that? Now you're a correct and one of 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.760 the things. But look, I always admire the young players 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.120 today as I've admired the young of the players of 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.719 the post. But one thing they've to stop. Bread, is 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.960 this a piece of paper and looking at a book 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:09.160 where to put? Now? Goodness, bread, you know they're not 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.240 better patters than existed in the past at all. In fact, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.000 they might not be as good as the past. Nobody 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.480 ever read a book where to put? If I don't 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.439 play exhibitions. I played an exhibition for Chick fil A 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.120 yesterday in in a Georgia. I played, of course I've 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.880 never seen in my life. I never misread one, but 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.960 I might not hit it there. But honest the goodness, 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.680 if you can't read a green after two or three 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.959 days of practice on the golf course, you've got a 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:39.959 serious problem. You better take stock of yourself. Sure, you 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.920 still got to use your your gift of talent. You've 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.040 got to use your eyes, you've got to use your feel. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.040 You can take a long put of forty ft. You 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.559 can put long pat cross handed any way you like. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.800 It's still the field that knocks the ball that close. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.440 It's not that stroke. It's the field and the eye 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:05.040 coordination that you cannot describe. You know, I throw a 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.040 ball to you, one guy go and I throw it 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.240 quickly at you. Another guy goes, another guy just like this. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.000 You know, he doesn't how to catch it. A lady 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.760 gets in a car, or some of your man gets 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.280 in a car and they're driving and they can't prevent 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.120 the car accident if they had good reflexes. They don't. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.920 There's so many things about this game that we really 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.280 don't know, but I will say one thing, having spent 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.319 time with Ben Hogan, who was, without a question, the 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.200 greatest striker of a ball from Tito Green, you had 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:39.000 to see it to believe it. They basically did when 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.280 they were swinging the club. Now we're off the putting, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.480 they basically did. They did two movements, or they did 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.559 one movement, one movement in the swing that everybody else did, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.160 and that was a movement that you had to do. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.079 Now you can make the different movements. You can be 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.280 trying something that Ben Hogan told you and told me, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.079 and we do it and we look completely differ it. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.559 That's why the game is so confusing. And there's so 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.720 many hidden factors in this game. And we must never 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.400 there's that we are ever saying in business. And if 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.199 young there're two saints. And if young people starting out 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:18.480 would listen to this trust instinct to the end though 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.920 it rendered no reason. And the other thing is Winston 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.760 church and I have a lot of young guys coming 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.360 to me and say, how do I become a champion? 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.360 I don't know? How do I become a good putter? 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.400 I don't know? And Winston Churchill said something which puts 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.680 it in a nutshell, the greatest saying of my life. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.640 And Winston Churchill was the greatest leader that ever lived 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.080 when you think what he went through, and the courage 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.320 and the command of the English language, etcetera, and the 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.360 sense of humor. But he said to people, and they 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.080 asked him why he was successful, he said, you know 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.520 the height that great men reached and kept a lot 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.360 of players play well, but they don't keep it for 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.360 very long. We're not attained by in flight. He says 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.480 that when my opponents were sleeping, I was toiling upward 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.320 in the night. And that's what you gotta do. You've 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.440 got to outwork him. And that's what Hogan did, and 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.280 that's what all the top players I ever saw, they 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.880 were workers. Look at Tiger woods Man right forever. This 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.520 guy's got to focus like I've never seen engulf this guy. 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.560 He was in another world. I'd love to respond to that. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.880 First of all, Winston Churchill has a book that I 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.120 just started reading called The Splendid in the Vial. It 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:37.440 just came out, and he's intriguing to no end. But 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:42.320 when when we go when we talk about putting greatness, longevity, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.640 is it learned? Is it born? Can you accumulate it 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.080 as you get older? Um? I think one of the 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.760 things I'm the most proud about my putting stats were 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.320 as I got older, my putting statistics got better, So 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.560 I lead the putting stats and in the nineties and 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.120 early two thousands when I was forty years old. So 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.320 when people say, oh, you were lucky, you were born 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.000 a good putter, it's really an insult because I spent 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.720 hours and hours and hours on a practice putting green 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.160 from the time I was, you know, really serious about 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.560 the game. A twelve thirteen years old, I didn't ever 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.520 want to get off the green. I put it in 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.600 my room at night. I never left my clubs at 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.480 the course. I always brought them back to my room. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.760 I always had a club even now. You know, I 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.960 got my putter right here. Most of the time when 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.720 I have a conversation with somebody, putters in my hand. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.520 I'm feeling the grip. I sense it in my fingers, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.920 in my hands. I don't like to put it down. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.880 I love this part of the game. And and to me, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.800 if if I had to pass something on, you better 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.280 love this part of the game. And uh, if you 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.920 want to be good for a long time, as people think, 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.520 oh it's unfair, the ball can lip out, it's only 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.880 four and a quarter inches. And then people would have 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.320 been they would say, well, if you just made the 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.400 whole bigger, it would make it easier for everybody. Do 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.120 you a match A money puts you at hold? If 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.640 the ball, the ball, the whole the cup was twice 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.120 as big, he would have made way more than everybody else. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.520 Um so that doesn't make sense to me, because everybody 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.520 else with a hold boy as will. But but all 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.320 the great putters would have been better if the whole 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.480 is bigger that that argument doesn't make sense to me. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.320 But I think that you know, I left myself off 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.520 that list Gary because I didn't want to make it 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.400 sound about me. And I know any list is controversial, 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:29.760 but you know, I've been helping Rory McElroy and was 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.760 putting for the last three years. He's one of those 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.800 talented players out there. It's one four major championships. He's 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.080 just turned thirty two. Um, and he won last week 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.240 at Wells Fargo by having some of the greatest putting 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.399 numbers of his career. And I put him tenth on 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.240 my list. And did I put him tempt because? Um? 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.720 I wanted to create a little bit of a stirry. Yes, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.199 because I helped him. Yes. Did he see the list, yes? 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.680 Did he put better? Yes? Did he win? Yes? So 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.600 is that coaching too? Is that given some confidence? Maybe? Um? 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.560 Do you think about it? I don't know, but I've 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.080 seen him part when he's not at a tournament, and 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.280 I'm like, this guy is pretty gifted. He's only thirty two, 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.480 which seems to be I mean, how much how is 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.159 your career pre thirty two and post thirty two for championships? 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.680 Yourself but I was very I was different. I won 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.280 the British Open or the Open when I was twenty three. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.480 I was the youngest to win it at the stage. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.879 And I had already completed the Grand Slam when I 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.800 was twenty nine. And if I may digress for a minute, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.000 I said to my wife, nobody will ever beat that. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.520 Nicholas came along and did it at twenty six. Now 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.680 listen to this. And I went focused to listen to this. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.040 The greatest sporting achievement in the history of sport, any sport, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.040 you like, man, woman, whoever it may be. Tiger Woods 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.720 winning the Grand Slam at twenty four. I mean, that's 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.359 not on, that's not on. But you know it. This 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.040 is this is the wonderful thing talking to you because, uh, 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:59.240 the experience and the how things different, how people's minds work, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.480 and how they go about it. And I would never 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.360 have put Rory. I mean, I am Rory McElroy's biggest fan. 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.320 I know Rory McElroy and I've said it every year 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.200 and he hasn't done it yet. Will win the Grand 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.960 Slab because he has the best golf swing on the 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.720 tour bar none, There's no question. And but I have not. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.240 I thought if he had a weakness, if he had 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.720 a weakness, it was he's putting. Now he's won four majors, 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.639 so you can still get better. It doesn't matter how 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.359 good you are. And I'm so pleased that he is 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.160 having lessons with you because you, first of all can 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.240 impart to him the knowledge that is important. And I 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.520 was so happy to see him win and he will 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.440 go on and win a lot of golf torments in 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:55.800 the future. Will you take somebody like Rory McElroy and 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.639 you teach him to put You know, what have you? 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:03.320 What have you basically um to improve his putting? Whether 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.440 it's mental of course, you know the big thing you 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.840 and you would agree with me, and I'll answer that 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:13.040 a little bit before you do you when you play golf, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:17.639 if you don't believe in yourself and honestly, bred I 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.560 can tell you, sincerely, without boasting, when I played against 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.920 nick Jack Nicholas, I never felt he would ever beat me. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.160 When I got on the first tear of the World 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.280 match play in England, thirty six holes two years in 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.240 a row, long off of course, I've been in six 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.480 and four, five and four, and everybody said I have 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.399 no chance, you've got to believe and Jack Nicholas did 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.320 that and Tiger Woods did that. To do anything, well, 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.959 you have to start off believing yourself that you can 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.000 do it. And obviously, with Rory winning four majors and 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.560 with the talent that he has, if he does, he 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.440 definitely believes in himself. And I mean you only go 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.080 to look at Jordan's feet. I mean, this guy is 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.359 a phenomenal pattern not good phenomenal. He's the best in 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.840 the world right now as time being repetitive from a 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.600 hundred yards in and the patting the Open championship he 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:10.000 won at was it toy like no know at birtdo 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.480 bick out he I've never seen a tourment one like 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.240 that in my life and I never will look again. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.720 It was just wonderful to see because it doesn't matter 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:21.480 if you drive the green or you hold a long pat. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.920 It's just school. It matters. But now I want to 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.680 hear what basically you did to get Drury to to 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.040 pet better in this last tournament. Well, it's it's a 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.200 there's a it's a great question. And first of all, 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.240 I was just honored that he would even asked me 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.400 to even think that I could help him. And three 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:42.080 years ago, in March and two thousand and eighteen, UM 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.840 he asked me to watch him hit some puts before 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.200 he went up to play at Arnold Palmer's tournament at Bayhood. 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:52.159 So I I was nervous. I had watched some videos 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.760 of a stroke, but I felt like, here's a guy 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:58.119 that's he had one fifteen times already on the PGA 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.680 to read one four majors. I know he's gifted, he's talented. 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:04.560