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Speaker 1: congratulations to the team, staff, the organization. UM, great accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: of being predictive of who wins and loses games. Is

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Speaker 1: that I think it's always been well, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: about wins and losses, that's probably true, but certainly scoring.

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Speaker 1: If you know, if you haven't give up an explosive

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Speaker 1: play in a drive, they're going to score, and if

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Speaker 1: you get an explosive play in a drive, you're going

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Speaker 1: to score. I mean, that's what the stats would definitely

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Speaker 1: back that up. And if you don't have one, then

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Speaker 1: the reverse is true. So I think those have always

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the exact numbers on it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say that I've got those

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Speaker 1: memorized because I don't. But yeah, that was we talked

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Speaker 1: about that at the Giants, So that was how many

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Speaker 1: years ago forty? I don't think that's fundamentally changed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Roy Greens and the you know, the the real

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Speaker 1: explosive players um that we played against, you know, Gary

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Speaker 1: Clarks and guys like that that seemed like they're averaging

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Speaker 1: twenty yards of catch. I don't know if they were

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Speaker 1: obviously seemed like it. Um, that's guss are a real problem.

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Speaker 1: Is it true that you passed along some tips to

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Speaker 1: Danny Woodhead to put them in position to potentially qualit No,

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Speaker 1: this pulling for him. Yeah, he's relying on maybe being

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Speaker 1: a lot of trouble. All right, thanks,