Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: and Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and fun.
Speaker 1: I'm out this week, but wanted to reshare one of
Speaker 1: my very favorite episodes with all of you. Enjoy one
Speaker 1: of my favorite fashion episodes in case you missed it.
Speaker 1: Today on the pod, I'm talking to one of the
Speaker 1: most talented and badass celebrities stylists, Danny Michelle. Her clients
Speaker 1: include just a few people that you've heard of, Hailey Bieber,
Speaker 1: Kendall Jenner, Alsa hask just to name a few. Danny
Speaker 1: has carved out a pretty incredible career in fashion and
Speaker 1: her story is so inspiring in general, but of course
Speaker 1: especially if you are interested in fashion styling or just
Speaker 1: the editorial world.
Speaker 2: Her new jewelry line Mega is so perfect.
Speaker 1: I literally wear her pieces almost every day. I always
Speaker 1: love chatting with another stylist. It's really just like revisiting,
Speaker 1: you know, my past. And I just love her passion.
Speaker 1: I love her love for the game, her work ethic.
Speaker 1: She's so impressive. So let's get into it. So I
Speaker 1: just want to first without digging too much into your
Speaker 1: early early beginnings, like what on earth made you start
Speaker 1: to do this?
Speaker 2: And like at what point, like where where did you
Speaker 2: grow up?
Speaker 3: First of all, so I grew up really in the
Speaker 3: toomic Maryland, but I went to school in DC. My
Speaker 3: friends lived in DC, I worked in DC. So I
Speaker 3: felt like DC was my home. That's what I always say.
Speaker 3: And so I'm an East girl.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. That that definitely makes sense.
Speaker 1: But by the way, sorry DC, but I would never
Speaker 1: consider it a fashion city.
Speaker 3: No, no, However, I really think that it plays a
Speaker 3: huge role in my respective and fashion because we had
Speaker 3: a huge music scene. So it was like the man
Speaker 3: I could rebel. And I had a very like liberal
Speaker 3: high school. So we were going to concerts on Tuesday
Speaker 3: nights of like some of the best bands, like like Things,
Speaker 3: people that headline Coachella, you know, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: twenty ten, were like I was in a small, one
Speaker 3: hundred person little room with them, and so I had
Speaker 3: this influence of music and then at the same time,
Speaker 3: I had this really like manicured, sophisticated perspective of like,
Speaker 3: you know, a very proper upbringing. So I feel like
Speaker 3: those two depositions of being like really poised and polished
Speaker 3: and then all being like a rebel and unique like
Speaker 3: come together and that was a huge part of being
Speaker 3: in DC for me.
Speaker 1: So you come from a family that's a little more
Speaker 1: like traditional and proper.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like holidays like skirty below my knees, like
Speaker 3: nothing could show from like neck to anywhere, like studhake,
Speaker 3: I packed elbows off the table, you know.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, Okay, see I would not I would never
Speaker 1: get that. I would never get that from you. You
Speaker 1: do not give off that vibe.
Speaker 3: My family was Southern, and it was just like very
Speaker 3: expect high expectations of like you know, where you come
Speaker 3: from and how you need to act that lady, and
Speaker 3: in a really positive way, you know, with really strong ethics.
Speaker 2: Worlds you know, which quite frankly I crave.
Speaker 1: And you know, I actually took my kids out of
Speaker 1: a very progressive school and put them in a very
Speaker 1: traditional school because I actually really I just I love manners.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I love manners and I and I love when people
Speaker 1: look at you when you say hello to them.
Speaker 2: I do. I do like that.
Speaker 1: I do, But I do think but I think that
Speaker 1: I think there's a balance, you know, I think there's
Speaker 1: a balance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think the kids that I don't want
Speaker 3: to speak to people that like, I think you always rebel.
Speaker 4: From what of course you know, of course you were.
Speaker 3: Of course I think that as long as we started
Speaker 3: in a really like we had a really good upbringing,
Speaker 3: then you find your path where you're supposed to be,
Speaker 3: and you go somewhere you find your own world. But
Speaker 3: I really loved and I'm super grateful for that space
Speaker 3: that it gave me.
Speaker 1: And so when did you leave? When did you leave
Speaker 1: DC Maryland?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Were you like, I'm out of here. I don't want
Speaker 2: to live here forever?
Speaker 1: Were you like, maybe I should try?
Speaker 4: I listen?
Speaker 3: Like, I went to the same school from kindergarten until
Speaker 3: I was eighteen to senior year and I went to
Speaker 3: University of I was going to go to n YU.
Speaker 2: I was like, NY two, that's what I made too.
Speaker 2: That's also me too.
Speaker 4: I went to did you go to NYO?
Speaker 1: No, my parents wouldn't let me. They said, New York's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: See it. When you get back, you're not saying where'd
Speaker 2: you go? I went to?
Speaker 1: I went to George Washington because they were like, well
Speaker 1: they well, I said, okay, I'll go to.
Speaker 2: LA and they were like, fuck, no, you're not.
Speaker 1: Were like, because you will never come home, We will
Speaker 1: never see you again. Absolutely not. So like no, no
Speaker 1: New York City and no La. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what'd you say?
Speaker 4: Where you from?
Speaker 2: I'm from New York and New Jersey from Short Hills.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so my mom, my mom moved to Livingston.
Speaker 2: So I know next door, you know it. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's so funny.
Speaker 3: So I went to you just to like hang out
Speaker 3: with a friend that was already in college. And I
Speaker 3: got to this that was like straight out it looked
Speaker 3: like Saved by the Bell.
Speaker 4: To me.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, brass and palm trees
Speaker 3: and fountains and.
Speaker 2: I was like save litters. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I got there and loved it.
Speaker 3: I made like great friends and I'm still girl friends
Speaker 3: with today and and have like an awesome experience because
Speaker 3: it was very like in a city. So we went
Speaker 3: to Miami all the time. And I feel like I
Speaker 3: have this like beautiful few years where I was like
Speaker 3: partly a child and partly an adult. You know. I
Speaker 3: had a job and I went out and I was
Speaker 3: in the city. But then I also like fell back
Speaker 3: into my college life. And college campus, and yeah, it
Speaker 3: was a perfect mix. I feel like of like transition
Speaker 3: from child to adult.
Speaker 1: That's what I always say about college, to be honest.
Speaker 1: For me, like the biggest purpose that college serve for
Speaker 1: me was growing up, like learning to be like independent,
Speaker 1: because otherwise you go from being a kid kind of
Speaker 1: owned and governed by your parents into the real world.
Speaker 2: Right, and you're like, wow, you know, so.
Speaker 3: I just go to these and again not just speak
Speaker 3: on someone else's experience, but like if you're just in
Speaker 3: these small towns where you just live with a school life,
Speaker 3: it probably is like a shock. Still love like adult
Speaker 3: life versus school life. I really also love you know.
Speaker 3: I believe everything happens as it showed, and I think
Speaker 3: that it was a great school for me as far
Speaker 3: as the transition of my life.
Speaker 1: And then you were like, Okay, so new York here
Speaker 1: I come. I'm coming because I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 3: With everyone from DC goes to New York. That's like
Speaker 3: the natural progression, of course. And I had interned in
Speaker 3: New York at the time. I got internship at seventeen magazine,
Speaker 3: which was like, you know, twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: That was it, And I was.
Speaker 1: At IAM so yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, why that was my tea.
Speaker 2: It's my only job I had.
Speaker 1: My only job I ever had, I worked at I
Speaker 1: worked at YM magazine and I started as a fashion
Speaker 1: assistant in the closet three days a week, and then
Speaker 1: I left a senior fashion editor and I went freelance
Speaker 1: at twenty five.
Speaker 2: Oh the job, only job I ever had.
Speaker 3: It was seventeen. I was in the accessories apartment and
Speaker 3: one day, like I was the first to get there
Speaker 3: the last one to leave, not because I was trying
Speaker 3: to prove something, just because I was.
Speaker 4: Like so into it.
Speaker 3: And one day they had to bring someone to set
Speaker 3: and they were like, she's coming to set, and I
Speaker 3: didn't even know what the word set meant. I was
Speaker 3: like okay, And I got to set and someone was
Speaker 3: we they were having a photoshoot. They were dressing you know,
Speaker 3: the models, and I was like, this is a job
Speaker 3: to all people what to wear.
Speaker 1: It's called the stotting at the time, it was the
Speaker 1: sittings editor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wanted to write that magazine. That's like
Speaker 3: what I really had wanted to do. I love writing,
Speaker 3: and that's where I thought my my career would go.
Speaker 3: And I would work at a magazine because I thought
Speaker 3: you wanted to work at fashion.
Speaker 4: You wrote for a magazine. I don't know how how
Speaker 4: the photos all there.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what I thought, but I think
Speaker 3: that when you and I spoke, like it was such
Speaker 3: a different time that like no one talked about a stylist.
Speaker 4: We didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3: And your show was in two thousand and eight was
Speaker 3: the year I graduated.
Speaker 4: It all came at this like perfect storm.
Speaker 3: Of like I knew I wanted to be it, and
Speaker 3: then you showed the world what it was, and you
Speaker 3: kind of mad this lane for us to be for
Speaker 3: it to be spoken about. So at that point when
Speaker 3: I was interning, is when I learned about being a stylist,
Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, that's what I'll go do,
Speaker 3: and that's what I want to do, and I'll do
Speaker 3: that in New York. But before I do that, like
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to like LA and have one
Speaker 3: year in LA kind.
Speaker 4: Of like before I become an adult.
Speaker 3: Like transition from like I just felt I was this
Speaker 3: one year and then I've never left.
Speaker 1: I've never left, no way. And were you single? Were
Speaker 1: you single when you came to La.
Speaker 4: I had never been here before, did not know one.
Speaker 2: Person yet out of here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I got this apartment off of my space.
Speaker 3: This girl, this girl had this really great like you know,
Speaker 3: fashion music, my space blog, and I was like, she
Speaker 3: needed a roommate, and.
Speaker 4: I took the spot.
Speaker 2: How wild is that? See?
Speaker 1: When I moved here, I had I had a whole
Speaker 1: life here because I had spent I moved here because
Speaker 1: I was spending like eighty percent of my time here styling.
Speaker 2: So I was like, why am I going back and forth?
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to live here, and here I am
Speaker 1: twenty years later.
Speaker 2: So it kind of eats you that way.
Speaker 3: It's crazy that you're interviewing me because the first time
Speaker 3: we met, like I was asking you one Milligan question
Speaker 3: and you were so an episode where you've told your
Speaker 3: whole story, so I can go watch it, because for
Speaker 3: like a week, I like kept thinking about everything you
Speaker 3: were saying. Your story is so incredible and so sweet, legendary. Really,
Speaker 3: the experience you have so legendary. And when you write
Speaker 3: a book, I will be the first about it or whatever.
Speaker 2: I have too. That's what I'm sending you.
Speaker 1: When we hang up, I'm going to send you. I'm
Speaker 1: going to send you Style eight to zero and Living
Speaker 1: in Style and no, no.
Speaker 3: I have Style eight. I bought that because that came
Speaker 3: That came out what a decade ago.
Speaker 1: It came out when you graduated, it came out. I
Speaker 1: think my first book, I want to say, was two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight or two thousand and nine, and then
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve or thirteen because I was pregnant
Speaker 1: with Kayus. So I definitely bought your first book Give
Speaker 1: Me and my narrow book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, is there a book where you tell? I
Speaker 3: don't remember what that now, but I definitely.
Speaker 2: I don't think I have.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants me to do a tell, but it's like
Speaker 1: i'd get arrested.
Speaker 2: I can't. I could do one without names, or I
Speaker 2: could do that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because it is kind of interesting because it's
Speaker 1: very similar. My story is similar to yours and the
Speaker 1: way that I like, I didn't really know what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do, right, and so then I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I sort of fell into it,
Speaker 1: fell in love with it. Definitely did not know what
Speaker 1: a stylist was. And to your point, the reason I
Speaker 1: started the show was because it was actually the last
Speaker 1: thing I said I'd ever do, right, Like, never in
Speaker 1: any life would I want a camera on me, like
Speaker 1: put it on the client.
Speaker 2: That's what I do.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, you know what, why is
Speaker 1: everyone so so confused about this industry? Like there has
Speaker 1: to be some democratization of what this is. It has
Speaker 1: to be more relatable to more people, you know, And
Speaker 1: I have to explain the genius of the designers behind
Speaker 1: the curtain, because they are genius and that's why everybody
Speaker 1: looks this way, you know. And so I don't know
Speaker 1: that was sort of the goal of it. And I
Speaker 1: think for me to hear you and so many other amazing,
Speaker 1: you know, young stylists that I adore sort of want
Speaker 1: to or or be more motivated to become a stylist
Speaker 1: from that is like for me, that's there's no better
Speaker 1: reward that I could get forever doing it because oh
Speaker 1: so hard five years, but it's not easy to do.
Speaker 3: You're so sweet, it's just really unbelievable, like even for me,
Speaker 3: Like it's like for me, it is not past me
Speaker 3: that I'm speaking.
Speaker 4: To, like the legend herself.
Speaker 2: You're the cutest, well let's talk about you. So okay,
Speaker 2: so here you are.
Speaker 1: You graduate, you moved to LA and you basically think
Speaker 1: you're going for a year to just do this and
Speaker 1: become a stylist because you now that you've figured out
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: So you moved to LA.
Speaker 1: You get this room from a random person on MySpace,
Speaker 1: which is just you know, wild, but people do do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know Jen Akins story, She like
Speaker 1: rolled here in a car and it was like with
Speaker 1: like three hundred dollars or something like lived in her
Speaker 1: car and here she is like, you didn't even know,
Speaker 1: like you didn't have a client at that point, so
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? And by the way, wait,
Speaker 1: important question here because I think this is very important,
Speaker 1: Like you didn't have a client, right you came to
Speaker 1: LA because to me, that's actually terrifying. And your parents
Speaker 1: were they like, my daughter's lost her mind, like because
Speaker 1: a lot of parents do not support the insanity, right,
Speaker 1: but you have the bug, right, And you know you
Speaker 1: said you're you didn't really go by the same rules,
Speaker 1: so you sort of were like so you're this like
Speaker 1: wild fashioned card.
Speaker 3: I think that, I mean, I know that I have
Speaker 3: always been so driven and I've always like sought after
Speaker 3: something and like.
Speaker 4: And made it happen.
Speaker 3: I think that my mom trusted that she raised me
Speaker 3: well and that I would make the right decisions, and
Speaker 3: that if this was something I was after, she would
Speaker 3: encourage me to cheat whatever I was looking for. We
Speaker 3: were speaking every day. She was like she was the
Speaker 3: phone call I made every day. She knew what I
Speaker 3: was doing, and I didn't. Really I didn't know what
Speaker 3: I was doing. I just knew that, like I wanted
Speaker 3: to see this part of my life because I kind
Speaker 3: of felt that I was going to go to New York,
Speaker 3: get an apartment, get a life, and like just live
Speaker 3: in New York. I was like, before I just start
Speaker 3: my entire next chapter of my life, let me have
Speaker 3: like one little adventure, and she supported that. I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone thought I wasn't coming back, Like no one
Speaker 3: thought that I thought we were. I was just going
Speaker 3: to la for a year, but I moved here and
Speaker 3: then I mean, listen, everything I always believe like happens
Speaker 3: for a reason at its right time, and like randomly,
Speaker 3: the neighbor in the building worked at the jim Hens
Speaker 3: a lot and was like, there's a stylist that needs
Speaker 3: an assistant. And I don't know if you know Michelle Tomachevski,
Speaker 3: anyone who does know or has looked brothers, she is
Speaker 3: like one of the nicest human beings. I was like
Speaker 3: blessed with this like incredible human to She threw me
Speaker 3: in the deep end and we were doing her client
Speaker 3: was the Jonas Brothers and they were like, yeah, the fire,
Speaker 3: they were on fire, my name Backstreet Boys literally and
Speaker 3: it was you know, talk shows, music videos, photo shoots
Speaker 3: like you know, private planes everything. It was just like
Speaker 3: at the top level immediately in the deep end, and
Speaker 3: she was just like the nicest human that did business
Speaker 3: the right way.
Speaker 4: And everywhere I went, I would be like.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm here from Michelle, and may'de like, oh, we
Speaker 3: love her, Like isn't she the best.
Speaker 4: Shell?
Speaker 3: And I saw that respect and I respected her even
Speaker 3: more the way that she treated me, the way she
Speaker 3: cheated other people, the way that she was her reputation,
Speaker 3: like I was like, this is I was just so
Speaker 3: d it maybe want to work so much harder. All
Speaker 3: I wanted to do was like be the best I
Speaker 3: could for her. She was being the best she could
Speaker 3: be and it was just like the best environment. I
Speaker 3: learned so much and like still today when she likes
Speaker 3: my photos and I'm like, you're still cheering.
Speaker 1: That's the dream, by the way, Well, it's a dream
Speaker 1: to have someone like you and then and then in
Speaker 1: turn to support and cheer for you.
Speaker 3: When I knew that's like exactly how I wanted to be,
Speaker 3: and I've really never like faltered from it.
Speaker 4: It's like being kind is like the number one thing
Speaker 4: on my like.
Speaker 1: Requirements should always be and should never changed, no matter
Speaker 1: how brutal it could get and does get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I truly believe like yelling at someone
Speaker 3: doesn't make them want to like work harder. It probably
Speaker 3: shuts people down, you know, and like getting mad it
Speaker 3: doesn't bring anything positive, right, you have to work through
Speaker 3: fund solutions. You have to encourage them and like say
Speaker 3: like it's okay, moving forward, like just work to be
Speaker 3: your best team of your best self, and like I
Speaker 3: think that will, in my opinion, push people to be
Speaker 3: their best selves.
Speaker 1: You know, well, yeah it didn't in my case, but
Speaker 1: but I'm so happy it does for you because because
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that it's a bit of a new world.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, it's been it's so fun to
Speaker 1: watch you do your thing because you know, I hadn't
Speaker 1: known you, and then when I met you, I was like,
Speaker 1: she's such like a cutie, like she's so meaning.
Speaker 2: Like for me, it's it's you know.
Speaker 1: People always ask me like, how did you become Rae ChEls?
Speaker 1: And I don't know any of that other than I
Speaker 1: loved it so much that it was all I could
Speaker 1: do right.
Speaker 2: And so when I meet someone like you, I.
Speaker 1: Get so sort of like there's people that do things
Speaker 1: because it's a job, and there's people that do things
Speaker 1: because they live and die for it, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think that there's a different way that people motivated
Speaker 1: by the passion and genuine love for the job end
Speaker 1: up working right and and truthfully end up succeeding right.
Speaker 1: And so I think with you, it's it's very obvious
Speaker 1: that you love it. But you know, I do want
Speaker 1: to point out for our listeners that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: without name dropping, I'm going to just name a few,
Speaker 1: but like you know, Danny Styles, Kendall Jenner, I mean, casual,
Speaker 1: Hailey Bieber and like all those looks that you see
Speaker 1: popped and run all over the world that everybody copies,
Speaker 1: it's done by you, And so my girls are like, no,
Speaker 1: of course, of course you know that, but.
Speaker 4: We yeah, we are. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't even believe if you told me this
Speaker 3: was going to be my life, I wouldn't tell I
Speaker 3: wouldn't believe you.
Speaker 2: But it's but it's it. I think it.
Speaker 1: It says, It says a lot because I think that
Speaker 1: when the girls in Look, they do definitely have their
Speaker 1: own sense of style, and it is a collaboration as
Speaker 1: it should be, right as it should be, because I
Speaker 1: don't think you love just like someone walking in and
Speaker 1: be like I'm closing my eyes, put close on me,
Speaker 1: like you know, because I did, in fact have a
Speaker 1: client like that, and it was and I love her.
Speaker 3: But what I say to that, though, is that like
Speaker 3: they're so focused in there and the lane that they're in,
Speaker 3: whether it's like writing music or yeah, that the clothes
Speaker 3: to the carpet, that's just a means that so they
Speaker 3: can arrive and do their job, will just talk about
Speaker 3: their music or their film or whatever. And the same
Speaker 3: way that they're not passionate about the art of like fashion,
Speaker 3: it's the same way I can't read music notes or
Speaker 3: like could never for a line for a film like
Speaker 3: everyone has. So there definitely are those people that are like,
Speaker 3: just tell me what's happening right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I'm wearing?
Speaker 1: So what what you create with? So what are like,
Speaker 1: were there ever any moments? So you end up coming here,
Speaker 1: you never leave, You end up working for Michelle, which
Speaker 1: is the dream to work for. An incredible style is
Speaker 1: because I always like, it's boot camp, right, and especially
Speaker 1: when you work in music specifically, it's boot camp.
Speaker 2: That was my train That was honestly my training.
Speaker 1: I went freelance and right into Brittany and Backstreet and
Speaker 1: Jessica Simpson and in Sync and all of all of that,
Speaker 1: and Enrique and Enrique, and it was just like as
Speaker 1: you said, like limitless budgets, music videos, album covers, private planes,
Speaker 1: You're going to Monaco for twenty four hours, you're flying
Speaker 1: here for three hours, and you're getting back. It was
Speaker 1: like I definitely aged like twenty years in five years,
Speaker 1: and I definitely didn't sleep. And it was the most
Speaker 1: insane amount of money. It was the most insane like
Speaker 1: working out. It was just always working right. And but
Speaker 1: I will say it was the grad school.
Speaker 2: It was the grad school for styling.
Speaker 1: It was because you had to be prepared for everything, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I want to hear those stories, Rachel.
Speaker 1: So there are so many stories.
Speaker 4: Which is crazy.
Speaker 3: Like someone just asked me something yesterday and I'm like, like,
Speaker 3: I can't there was a country I've opened to Croatia.
Speaker 4: I can't even remember going to Croatia.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that happened to me the other day.
Speaker 1: Someone just like, oh my god, I'm dying to go
Speaker 1: to Prague. And then literally like someone goes, Rachel, didn't
Speaker 1: you go there for like a briad pitch? And I'm
Speaker 1: like I did. I actually went there. I did go there.
Speaker 1: I was there for two weeks. What was your favorite part?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember a bridge and a hotel and
Speaker 1: literally that's it.
Speaker 2: A bridge at There's.
Speaker 3: So much I always say, is that because we're like
Speaker 3: so detail oriented, Like in my office there's thousands of
Speaker 3: pieces and I could like tell you a backstory about
Speaker 3: sayings one of the things, what job they came from?
Speaker 3: Like like sometimes when we be like purges and I'm
Speaker 3: like no, no, no, you guys, I'm like this piece
Speaker 3: and like I have such insane short term like there
Speaker 3: is nothing you could ask me, though I wouldn't know
Speaker 3: going on that.
Speaker 4: I think that it's like for my long term.
Speaker 1: Has like yeah, it won't come back to you till
Speaker 1: people interview you, like and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of like this is your life. Like
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Rachel, you did this and you did
Speaker 1: this album and you were here dressing them for this
Speaker 1: and I'm like.
Speaker 2: M, you're right.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right I was.
Speaker 1: And it's so funny like sometimes you have those moments,
Speaker 1: but it does. It did teach me sort of like
Speaker 1: as I move forward in work, like try to like
Speaker 1: try to experience it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Tried it, but it's hard. You can't because it's it's like.
Speaker 1: This, and especially when you know being a stylist, you're
Speaker 1: in the service business, right, so it's it's you you
Speaker 1: almost take your whole self out, you go, what do
Speaker 1: you need?
Speaker 2: Who needs this?
Speaker 1: D da da right like and it's it's like flashes
Speaker 1: of light.
Speaker 3: That honestly is like such like an important sentence. So
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people a forget that, like,
Speaker 3: you know, service business from the perspective of like how
Speaker 3: hard we give, Like sometimes when I come home, I'm
Speaker 3: just so drained because my whole day is emotionally and
Speaker 3: mentally and creatively giving to other people. And I think
Speaker 3: that also, like for the younger generation that forgets like
Speaker 3: this is a really hard job.
Speaker 4: It is hard, difficult, and.
Speaker 3: I think that going back to what you said, it's
Speaker 3: like only the people that like are really passionate about
Speaker 3: it and that are not just chasing the money but
Speaker 3: chasing their creativity and their relationships and the connections, and
Speaker 3: like the moment is like when when they'll succeed, because
Speaker 3: you have to give it one hundred and ten percent
Speaker 3: and it takes a.
Speaker 4: Lot, a lot out of you.
Speaker 3: So it's like we have to be really dedicated and
Speaker 3: really want it and really care.
Speaker 1: And you are married, correct, I am tell me everything.
Speaker 1: So where did you meet Prince Tremy?
Speaker 4: We met.
Speaker 3: It's like a it's like another whole podcast on itself,
Speaker 3: so I'll keep it that we met at a dinner party.
Speaker 3: I was on a first date and he was on
Speaker 3: a second date. I showed up like on the back
Speaker 3: of this motorcycle was an Italian man and he was like,
Speaker 3: I came out in my rigel, I took the helmet off,
Speaker 3: I like shook my hair so like my hair wasn't black,
Speaker 3: and he saw me and he was like, I want
Speaker 3: a woman like that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw him.
Speaker 3: He did this matter check and I was like, you.
Speaker 2: Did a magic check.
Speaker 4: No, he did a magic check.
Speaker 3: On me while using his date as like his his
Speaker 3: you know. So she was like I knew you always
Speaker 3: had a thing for her. But either way, that night
Speaker 3: we like super connected. But we stayed dating our people
Speaker 3: I want for about a year. Finally, about a year later,
Speaker 3: it was after like a fashion event that we ran
Speaker 3: each other. I was like, I'm going to Hevingways and
Speaker 3: I was like you should come, and I was like
Speaker 3: live a little bit and he came and we like
Speaker 3: danced all night, and then we told each other that
Speaker 3: we had feelings for each other. And then eventually I
Speaker 3: told the guy that I was dating and I said like,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry I had feelings for someone else, and
Speaker 3: he was like actually, he was like and he was
Speaker 3: such a beautiful human and he was so like it
Speaker 3: was exactly what I did in that time my life
Speaker 3: and I'm so grateful that relationship. But he was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, he was like, I see that for
Speaker 3: you and I think that you're going to marry him.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, he like totally gave me.
Speaker 3: His blessing and then fast forward we got married.
Speaker 2: That's wow, he said.
Speaker 4: He goes.
Speaker 3: He either said, I think you're gonna have his baby
Speaker 3: one day or I think you're gonna get married one
Speaker 3: of the two.
Speaker 4: He did one of those things, but gave me full blessing.
Speaker 2: Wow. And you did have a baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a baby right three. Yeah, Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, which I also asked you about when we met
Speaker 3: because I was like so sure that I need to
Speaker 3: have a girl. And having a boy is like the
Speaker 3: greatest thing that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 1: It's a love affair that is indescribable. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else to say.
Speaker 4: Relief.
Speaker 3: And he just entered the cuddle phase. He's never wanted
Speaker 3: a cuddle. It started two nights ago. I just got
Speaker 3: like my first like in bed, like under the arm,
Speaker 3: like wrapped around to Yeah, it's like mommy bear, baby
Speaker 3: bear huddle in this morning, I got out bet his
Speaker 3: little sid don't leave me here.
Speaker 4: Like it just happened two nights ago, and it's like incredible.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to make you feel better. Mine is
Speaker 1: almost thirteen and my little one is just turned ten,
Speaker 1: and they're both under my arms, still wrapped around me
Speaker 1: literally every night, every night, and every morning. I will
Speaker 1: do it until they go to college. If they let me,
Speaker 1: I will. I'm such a zicho. I literally cannot let
Speaker 1: go of them. They make everything better.
Speaker 2: They make me.
Speaker 1: Just happy. They actually told me that I should go
Speaker 1: back to styling. They go, Mommy, the way you talk
Speaker 1: about styling, Mommy, you should do it again someday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny.
Speaker 1: They go, you know, you style us, but I feel
Speaker 1: like you probably want to put pretty long dresses on.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Well, they haven't seen my show Sky. They's begging me
Speaker 1: to watch it, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Oh stop, I don't think I'm there yet. I think
Speaker 2: there's too much.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, I have gone back, like I
Speaker 3: think after I met you that night, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh that.
Speaker 4: I was like, watch an episode.
Speaker 2: It's wild, maybe a slide.
Speaker 4: In your studio and the dresses got wet.
Speaker 1: That was one of the worst days of my life.
Speaker 1: I of the worst days of my life. And you
Speaker 1: know there were many, but I you know, I mean
Speaker 1: when it rained on the globes and I had five
Speaker 1: clients in long gowns and then every single picture of
Speaker 1: every single one of them was holding an umbrella holding
Speaker 1: the train up, and.
Speaker 2: I was like, I quit.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so weird because I had so much
Speaker 1: of my life and my emotion. I think if I
Speaker 1: like watch it, it's just going to be like this
Speaker 1: is your life kind of thing, because like you said,
Speaker 1: it's a.
Speaker 2: Bit of a blackout for me. The show.
Speaker 1: It was such a hard thing to do because I
Speaker 1: was working, like you're working now, right, I was styling,
Speaker 1: but I was also like I started my media business
Speaker 1: and these other things. But then I had to shoot
Speaker 1: the show like five days a week, and it was
Speaker 1: sort of like not it took nine months, you know,
Speaker 1: and so it was just mental and I would just
Speaker 1: be like I need to work, like I actually need.
Speaker 2: To do my job, you know.
Speaker 1: But in hindsight, what it meant to people and what
Speaker 1: it did for people for me, makes every bit of
Speaker 1: it worth it, truthfully, because it really to know that
Speaker 1: it had an impact on, you know, people like you,
Speaker 1: or people going through the hardest time in their lives
Speaker 1: and couldn't get out of bed, you know, things like that.
Speaker 1: For me, helped me reprioritize the purpose of what I
Speaker 1: was doing, you know what I mean. And I think
Speaker 1: like it definitely, I think, in hindsight, really helped redirect
Speaker 1: and focus my real mission for everything I do in
Speaker 1: my job and for the brand, everything about it and
Speaker 1: what I want to always do for women, right.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: I think, like with styling, I just felt like it was,
Speaker 1: like you said, it was like this unknown thing, right.
Speaker 1: And so I think for people like you now that
Speaker 1: are bringing you know, these women that are so they
Speaker 1: love you and they support you, right, and these girls
Speaker 1: are like your friends. And I think, you know, it's
Speaker 1: such an intimate relationship being a stylist, and I was
Speaker 1: so personally invested in it, you know, And like you said,
Speaker 1: I think it's hard because I think when you love
Speaker 1: it that much and you care about it that much
Speaker 1: and you care about the people so much, right, it's
Speaker 1: like it's not a fake best friend, right, It's like
Speaker 1: you're in there.
Speaker 2: You're in the studio.
Speaker 1: Like I would sit with my clients till three in
Speaker 1: the morning and we would have like you know, champagne,
Speaker 1: to tea, to breakfast, to this, to that, and like
Speaker 1: forty outfits later and like play dress up and all
Speaker 1: the things, and then you know, and then these looks
Speaker 1: come out of it, like born out of those moments,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's incredibly rewarding, you know, in the
Speaker 1: sense of like when your client looks at you and
Speaker 1: was like, uh, we did it, or like I've never
Speaker 1: felt so beautiful, or like that was a great one,
Speaker 1: or like you know, don't you just aren't those the
Speaker 1: pinch mean moments.
Speaker 2: For me, those were the pinch me moments.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a thousand percent I always say that,
Speaker 3: Like for me, the only like I don't read comments.
Speaker 4: I don't read like.
Speaker 2: Now you can't, you can't, you can't, I really don't.
Speaker 3: The only thing that matters to me is that they're happy. Sure,
Speaker 3: and when they tell you that they're happier they felt
Speaker 3: like a million backs of the day or like basically
Speaker 3: like any of those things, I'm like, that's when I'm
Speaker 3: just like, oh, like it'll change my whole day. Like
Speaker 3: I'm so happy when they are happy, and like I know,
Speaker 3: like that's the sign of like real love, you know.
Speaker 1: Or it's just like listen, I think at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you're living your dream. Now you launch
Speaker 1: a jewelry line called Mega, which I personally love and
Speaker 1: like I literally opened it and put it on. And
Speaker 1: so I think, now, like obviously starting the jewelry line,
Speaker 1: you're starting to I think, look at okay, so what's
Speaker 1: another passion and what am I doing right? Because it's
Speaker 1: because it's a big jump, right, like whenever you start
Speaker 1: to divert from what you're doing, You're like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is scary, but I'm doing it.
Speaker 3: It felt like the right thing for me because I
Speaker 3: really feel like I found my place in fashion where
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be. I think that creating a fashion
Speaker 3: line would have been it would have been so conflicting
Speaker 3: to my creativity. And I think that I've always been
Speaker 3: passionate about Juelie for me, like it's super sentimental and
Speaker 3: it's it's what I've like splurged on when I like
Speaker 3: want something to like signify something like for me, I
Speaker 3: asked for jewelry for a graduation for you know, my
Speaker 3: thirtieth birthday, for my thirty fifth birthday, anything it's significant
Speaker 3: to me. My push gift Valentine's Day, Like all I
Speaker 3: want are a little I get usually like a ring
Speaker 3: or something that I feel like I thought I would
Speaker 3: stack them all up. Each of those little pieces were
Speaker 3: like memories and accomplishments and meaningful parts of my timeline.
Speaker 3: And that's how it really started with me stacking a
Speaker 3: bunch of rings, because everything really had a backstory of
Speaker 3: like a meeting to me, and I just felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, my mom is a Julie designer for the
Speaker 3: past ten years. She pivoted after she sold her business,
Speaker 3: and it just always felt like something sentimental and personal
Speaker 3: to me, and it felt like just a no brainer
Speaker 3: of like where I should be and what I should
Speaker 3: be doing. And so my mom and I partnered on
Speaker 3: this together. She does all production and I do creative
Speaker 3: and we obviously like ideas together.
Speaker 2: But she's so fun. That is so much fun.
Speaker 3: I did not know that even talk more every day,
Speaker 3: so it's great.
Speaker 2: I did not know that. So why the name Mega?
Speaker 3: So Vogue had called me a megawatt stilast and that
Speaker 3: was like one of those moments where I was like
Speaker 3: did you read that? I And I even had to
Speaker 3: like google it. I was like, what does Mega want me?
Speaker 3: Because I know this like you know a title, but
Speaker 3: like let me just read into it. And it was
Speaker 3: it was after that article, I was like, what am
Speaker 3: I doing with myself? Like what is text?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And so when I was putting together all my creative
Speaker 3: boards and you know, every folder, I would just put
Speaker 3: MEGA because that's just kind of like that was at
Speaker 3: that moment where I was like, Okay, let's let's do something.
Speaker 3: And so all of my followers and we did so
Speaker 3: much like you know those like name searching diagram. I mean,
Speaker 3: I was doing French, I was doing and we did
Speaker 3: MEGA in French, but I speak French, and I was
Speaker 3: doing Italian. I was doing everything, and I was just
Speaker 3: trying to find the right word, and I kept coming
Speaker 3: back to Mega because for me, it just felt like
Speaker 3: so like large than life, one of a strong bold
Speaker 3: like the four letters was just so crisp to me,
Speaker 3: and it felt like who the woman was with someone
Speaker 3: that was like minimal but strong and bold and confident
Speaker 3: and just felt right. So I did so much searching
Speaker 3: and I came back to.
Speaker 4: That, to that word. I love it. You're so sweet.
Speaker 4: One day, I hope I'll get to like ask.
Speaker 1: You more questions or so you can ask me anything anytime, seriously, anytime.
Speaker 1: We'll go for a glass of shamps and talk the top,
Speaker 1: talk the dog, because god, there's talk. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: promised to do that.
Speaker 3: I think that if I could like leave with like
Speaker 3: one idea of like this business that I feel like
Speaker 3: I always like struggle with what I could.
Speaker 4: Do to like share my story because I.
Speaker 3: Can't even tell you how many people, like probably once
Speaker 3: a week I get an email.
Speaker 2: It's like how do I become you.
Speaker 3: Like my store, I mean for my school project, or
Speaker 3: like could I just ask you what you know, like
Speaker 3: what your experience was, Like I know that there's so
Speaker 3: many people dying to hear these stories, and nonetheless I
Speaker 3: could never have each of these individual conversations. I always
Speaker 3: try to think about, like what platform I could share
Speaker 3: like the true story with. And I think that one
Speaker 3: of the questions when we were discussing like what we
Speaker 3: would talk about was just like what are your three
Speaker 3: pieces of advice? And I feel like if I could
Speaker 3: just share with the kiddos, I feel like the three
Speaker 3: things is like for me, which have really been like
Speaker 3: tried and true is like to be kind, you know?
Speaker 3: Is that I think that when people let their ego change,
Speaker 3: like what their intention is, you know, these relationships with
Speaker 3: your team, with the showrooms, with the stores, with the designers,
Speaker 3: with your clients, with their assistance. Like all of these
Speaker 3: relationships is what craftier entire business, right. It crafts who
Speaker 3: you are, where you will go, and what you will
Speaker 3: succeed with. And I just feel like sometimes people forget
Speaker 3: they think that they're better than someone, or that they're
Speaker 3: in a different position than someone, and we are all
Speaker 3: in a web working together, and it would not be
Speaker 3: possible without each of those people. If the designers weren't
Speaker 3: making the clothes, if the showrooms weren't wrapping them, at
Speaker 3: the store associates weren't helping you, if the assistant.
Speaker 4: Wasn't scheduling the fitting.
Speaker 3: Like, we are all in this together, and we have
Speaker 3: to treat everyone like kindness and respect and like that
Speaker 3: those relationships will lead to like your success in a
Speaker 3: genuine way, Like you can't you have to really care
Speaker 3: from your heart.
Speaker 4: If you don't like it won't it just won't be genuine.
Speaker 3: But when you really do care and you really find
Speaker 3: that respect for everyone, like that is so pivotal, I
Speaker 3: think to success, I always say, like give everything, go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, I want to comment on that, because the best
Speaker 1: of the best are always the kindest and I can
Speaker 1: tell you that firsthand.
Speaker 2: I can tell you that.
Speaker 1: And your reputation is all you have to stand on
Speaker 1: in business, and it's people can see when you're not
Speaker 1: genuine they can And so kindness is first and foremost,
Speaker 1: literally the most important thing you do in business, and
Speaker 1: it's treating the person at craft services, the person doing
Speaker 1: the lighting, the person, the person at the door.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: And people that think otherwise will never ever ever last
Speaker 1: in the business, especially today in days of past. Maybe
Speaker 1: you can be an asshole, you cannot be an asshole.
Speaker 1: You have to treat people with kindness, but genuine and
Speaker 1: first and foremost. And Peter Limberg, I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: was the best example of that because he was the kindest,
Speaker 1: most brilliant photographer, and working with him was such a
Speaker 1: gift because the way that he talked to people, the
Speaker 1: way that he treated people, how gentle he was, how
Speaker 1: kind he was to every single person on set, no ego, nothing,
Speaker 1: And I tell anyone that will listen in any position
Speaker 1: that that's how you win. You will last forever if
Speaker 1: you are good to people.
Speaker 2: Everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I walk off set and like I like tell
Speaker 3: the grif and like the team. I'm like good chops
Speaker 3: to you guys, like you killed it because if it weren't,
Speaker 3: I'm doing epic writing like what it's my fashion saying you.
Speaker 4: Know it's true, if every one is.
Speaker 3: So important, and I really like wholeheartedly believe that, And
Speaker 3: I'm glad you even brought off like you know, the
Speaker 3: crafty behind the scenes people like all in it together.
Speaker 4: There's no one I don't care you're following or what.
Speaker 4: There is no one more valuable on the set than
Speaker 4: anyone else.
Speaker 3: Like except for the talent that we're all we're all yeah,
Speaker 3: And then I think like giving everything one hundred and
Speaker 3: ten percent. I feel like I can't tell you how
Speaker 3: many times I would like it'd be the end of
Speaker 3: the day, the last or after like three days of
Speaker 3: like out and about, and I'd be like, oh, do
Speaker 3: I like need to go there? Like my car is
Speaker 3: fulled to the top, like do I really need to go?
Speaker 3: And I can't tell you how many times it'd be
Speaker 3: the last stop and that.
Speaker 4: Would be the look like of course, And I like,
Speaker 4: thank god, like I never gave up.
Speaker 3: I did everything over and above into what you were
Speaker 3: saying your clients like you gave them, like you went
Speaker 3: over above, and like I know my clients know that
Speaker 3: I do that. I know that they know I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about them all the time. That like when I'm not
Speaker 3: on a job with them, I'm still thinking about them.
Speaker 3: And when I do a job, I like work from
Speaker 3: it from the moment they tell me to like the
Speaker 3: finish line, like it's it's so important because like every
Speaker 3: detail tells the whole story. And like I always like
Speaker 3: leave no rock and turn. And then I think to
Speaker 3: what you just said about like your reputation, like it's
Speaker 3: the one thing you can't buy, and once that reputation
Speaker 3: like is gone, there's nothing you can do to fix it.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people think that this
Speaker 3: is some race and they think that because there's Instagram
Speaker 3: now that like there's this immediate satisfaction that like they
Speaker 3: can like they should be a sturtplace so fast, and
Speaker 3: it's like it's a marathon and there's.
Speaker 4: No one thing that will like get you to the end.
Speaker 3: You have to you need every little step along the
Speaker 3: way because you learn from every step and everything that
Speaker 3: you do, you like learn so much from and everything
Speaker 3: you do is valuable. And I just think that you
Speaker 3: have to like give everything it's full like experience because
Speaker 3: it will lead to something else. And you have to
Speaker 3: like understand the longevity of your career.
Speaker 1: If you want a long career, say yes, yeah, coming up,
Speaker 1: say yes to everything for you everything.
Speaker 3: And I think, what's like so crazy is that there
Speaker 3: were so many times where I like wanted to quit
Speaker 3: or I wanted to like up because.
Speaker 4: It was an incredibly different time.
Speaker 3: If you remember, all we had was a website, right,
Speaker 3: there was no Instagram.
Speaker 2: So if I went, I had a portfolio.
Speaker 3: I remember having my prints at all book that I
Speaker 3: would bring into an office it was and if I
Speaker 3: was a discouraged because I would go do something great, right,
Speaker 3: I would. I remember I was working with Douglas Kirtland,
Speaker 3: who was the last photographer to shoot Marylynd Monroe.
Speaker 4: We would do these incredible things together. I was shooting
Speaker 4: with for you know, I.
Speaker 3: Was so young when we were doing like Vanity Fair,
Speaker 3: but I had no one to show it to. Right,
Speaker 3: I would do this amazing story and then there was
Speaker 3: no platform. It would be in a magazine, great, like
Speaker 3: someone would read the magazine, but there was no way
Speaker 3: to show anyone, like, look what I'm doing, and look
Speaker 3: what I'm capable of doing. So I had to grow
Speaker 3: my entire business by every time going on set and
Speaker 3: someone being like this girl is so great, you should
Speaker 3: use her. This girl is so great, And that's obviously
Speaker 3: what happened. And it would come from the publicist or
Speaker 3: the makeup person or the assistant.
Speaker 4: Like everything said to something.
Speaker 3: But it took a really really long time because there
Speaker 3: was no platform to show people what you could do.
Speaker 3: When today these little girls are dressing themselves and they're like,
Speaker 3: you know, look.
Speaker 4: At the silist.
Speaker 3: You know. But it was such a long process and
Speaker 3: I had it was really hard, and I blood sweat
Speaker 3: and tears. Like my husband was telling me these stories
Speaker 3: like do you's, like do you remember? Like literally I
Speaker 3: checked everything myself and like checked in and out like
Speaker 3: I did everything myself, you know, Like I literally grew
Speaker 3: this entire thing myself. And I don't I don't forget
Speaker 3: those things. And I think that a lot of people
Speaker 3: today like are racing and it's like, so it will come.
Speaker 3: I promise you it will come if you're if you
Speaker 3: follow those steps, if you're a good person, if you
Speaker 3: give it one hundred percent, if you do business the
Speaker 3: right way. Like if you say yes, every opportunity like
Speaker 3: your pie will come.
Speaker 2: I promise it's true.
Speaker 1: But you have listen, I scream at every mountaintop you
Speaker 1: got to do the work. You got to do the work.
Speaker 1: You got you have to do the work. And that
Speaker 1: is the biggest problem with this generation right now. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to generalize, but like it's across the board in
Speaker 1: every in every industry. And I think to your point,
Speaker 1: because everyone's looking at highlight rails right on social media
Speaker 1: and you know, you still have to do the brick
Speaker 1: by brick. It can be faster than it was for us,
Speaker 1: but like it's just blood, sweat and tears at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, and you have to do it
Speaker 1: that way because you learn from it.
Speaker 2: You from it.
Speaker 1: I was taping little taxi receipts and food receipts for
Speaker 1: like for like one hundred thousand dollars wardrobe budgets, and
Speaker 1: I would turn in like a hundred pages of like
Speaker 1: xerox paper on both sides with a glistick of all
Speaker 1: my expenses. And so you know, I think that those
Speaker 1: things are the things that shape you. So it's like
Speaker 1: to your point, it's like I say to people coming up,
Speaker 1: it's like those like sort of war wounds are what
Speaker 1: what makes you really and it makes you grateful.
Speaker 4: And I read this one quote.
Speaker 3: It was actually I think from like a painter or no,
Speaker 3: it was something that was like it was basically an artist,
Speaker 3: and he was like he was justifying his rate, right,
Speaker 3: and he was like, you're not paying for my rate
Speaker 3: for what I'm doing today and tomorrow. You're paying for
Speaker 3: everything I have learned along this entire way and everything
Speaker 3: that I'm going to like all of the knowledge that
Speaker 3: i have at this level to the table. So I
Speaker 3: feel like when it's like people at our level, I've
Speaker 3: been doing this for over fifteen years, like when you're
Speaker 3: asking for a certain rate, it's because like you have
Speaker 3: so much experience, Like if I know I need something,
Speaker 3: I know exactly where to get it. Had to get
Speaker 3: in the best version of it because I've done it
Speaker 3: so many times. And I feel like the younger people
Speaker 3: when they like think they should get the same rates
Speaker 3: as us, I'm like, you, you there are so many
Speaker 3: experiences that you've never been in that you won't even
Speaker 3: know how to handle that, like have grace, have patients,
Speaker 3: like it will come.
Speaker 4: But it's I have so.
Speaker 3: Many layers of like everything that I have that I've
Speaker 3: experienced to be to am right now.
Speaker 2: It's the wisdom. It's the wisdom. And I like to
Speaker 2: say the war winds.
Speaker 1: For better, for better or for worse, but they're there
Speaker 1: and I think it's what makes us. And I think
Speaker 1: it's again the same in any industry, and I think
Speaker 1: you have to you have to put in and I
Speaker 1: you know, again, the stars stand out and ultimately you
Speaker 1: stand out and you're crushing it and the girls know
Speaker 1: it and it's and you love it and you love
Speaker 1: it and you're doing it and you're building mega with
Speaker 1: your mom, which is so beautiful.
Speaker 3: If you told me, like you know, when they say,
Speaker 3: like where do you see yourself in five years? Like
Speaker 3: I do, think there's something so real right because like
Speaker 3: the things that like I I if you told me
Speaker 3: for my clients, I'd be like, you're crazy.
Speaker 4: And it's a dream. I'm living this dream.
Speaker 3: And then on top of it, like I consult for
Speaker 3: this huge company that's incredibly exciting for me. I'm a
Speaker 3: creative director of this huge company that's exciting for me.
Speaker 2: And I realized to say what it is or no.
Speaker 3: I am a fashion consultant for Sony Pictures, amazing. I
Speaker 3: just took on the role of creative director for Joe's Jeans, amazing.
Speaker 3: I launched my Jeweli brand, and I have a dream
Speaker 3: stiling business. And it's like, it's just so incredible because
Speaker 3: if you had asked me five years ago, I would say,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I know, I would have said I
Speaker 3: would love to create direct for a brand and I
Speaker 3: would love to consult like those were I thought the
Speaker 3: next step of things, like a bigger picture project.
Speaker 4: And I have these bigger picture projects.
Speaker 3: So it's really incredible to like forecast and to like
Speaker 3: put your heart in something. And I don't think about
Speaker 3: it on the daily, but it probably like.
Speaker 4: In the realm, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I you know, it's funny because I
Speaker 1: don't know that I ever projected, and I think it's
Speaker 1: amazing to see that you kind of you had that
Speaker 1: idea that that's what you wanted to do for the
Speaker 1: next step and it happened. And I think it's also
Speaker 1: patients because it's also not saying tomorrow right, you're saying
Speaker 1: in my five year I hope to be doing this right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So now I got to set my next five years.
Speaker 1: I believe it's called manifesting, right, I believe it's called manifesting.
Speaker 2: I'm trying this so far I suck at it. I
Speaker 2: have to say no.
Speaker 3: But I think it's like it's things that just like
Speaker 3: sink into your system, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 3: it's not like you're facing it. It's not like you're
Speaker 3: like this, like if you're looking for like it won't happen.
Speaker 3: It's just like you like think about it, you say it,
Speaker 3: you feel it, and then you like go live it.
Speaker 3: And I just think that, you know, maybe it's working.
Speaker 1: It's working, Danny, it's working, and you're a mama and
Speaker 1: you're married, and it's all the things. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you're living all the dreams. So pinch yourself now. Pinch
Speaker 1: yourself now so that you remember that you're living all
Speaker 1: the things in all the dreams.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's also so interesting is that I don't I think
Speaker 3: one of the other reasons of my success is that
Speaker 3: I don't think about it is that I don't I
Speaker 3: don't ever like I've never changed, like you know, I
Speaker 3: don't wear makeup, I don't like I wear flats, like
Speaker 3: all right, I like to wear heel.
Speaker 2: You're also like five ton, Yeah, like I just like I.
Speaker 3: Just I'm so focused on like what I'm doing that
Speaker 3: I've never I've never thought about global. I've never thought
Speaker 3: about I don't think about the clients that way. I
Speaker 3: just think, like, this is my job and I need
Speaker 3: to go give it one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And like I don't.
Speaker 3: I've never changed in that respect.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 3: You can't if you start thinking about it, right, you
Speaker 3: read the comments of this, you coul psyche yourself out.
Speaker 3: Like you just have to be like focus on what
Speaker 3: you're doing. And I think that that's another reason why,
Speaker 3: like I've been able to just keep pushing, is that
Speaker 3: because I don't think about it. I just like I
Speaker 3: just stay focused on what I'm doing and like push
Speaker 3: to the next thing and keep and just keep going.
Speaker 1: You know, you got to just do it. You got
Speaker 1: to live it, you've got to be it. You've got
Speaker 1: to do it and don't overthink it. And and to
Speaker 1: your point, I think, I don't know. I just the
Speaker 1: only thing I could say to you is just recognize
Speaker 1: what's happening, because I never did.
Speaker 2: I never did.
Speaker 3: There's this thing called the imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it. Yes, I know it well.
Speaker 1: I know it well, and I think sometimes we all
Speaker 1: just feel like that and we're like wait what and
Speaker 1: then people say these things too. You're like huh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very real.
Speaker 4: It's like very real, and I'm just like wait, like
Speaker 4: you know, like I said, but if you told me
Speaker 4: this is my life, I wouldn't believe you.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just well, you better believe it, honey,
Speaker 1: because you are climbing in fucking flats, but.
Speaker 2: You are in your mega jewelry.
Speaker 1: And styling mega supermodels and actors and musicians and all
Speaker 1: the things and living all your wildest fucking dreams. So
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you, and I love watching it, and
Speaker 1: I'm happy I met you, and I'm happy I get
Speaker 1: to talk to you today and then we have.
Speaker 2: To have like an offline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of those like pitchments.
Speaker 4: I know that like every day, but really, for me.
Speaker 3: This means so much to like talk to you into
Speaker 3: like I'm like Rachel's Ott knows who I am.
Speaker 1: I'm so swear I know who you are and I
Speaker 1: adore you and I love what you're doing and I'm
Speaker 1: so happy about it.
Speaker 2: And I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: For me to just see someone and that loves it
Speaker 1: so much, like truthfully, not to sound like a mom,
Speaker 1: but like that actually fulfills me the most. And to
Speaker 1: know that I had any part of that from the beginning,
Speaker 1: it's just makes me even It makes me feel like
Speaker 1: so much is worth what I've been through.
Speaker 3: Who Like that's when street style started, like all of that,
Speaker 3: you know, like listen, it all happened the same time
Speaker 3: with this perfect storm of like the internet, you know,
Speaker 3: all the things in time, you know, and you were
Speaker 3: just at the crux of this like change. Our business
Speaker 3: just changed, and you were right there in the center
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Well, I love it, and I adore you, and I
Speaker 1: love your passion. I see it coming out of your
Speaker 1: eyes and your skin and your smile.
Speaker 2: But I'm just impressed with you. I love what you do.
Speaker 1: I love how you dress all the girls, I love
Speaker 1: your collaborations, and I'm excited to just continue to watch
Speaker 1: you fly and so do all the things. It's so
Speaker 1: good I know that you have a friend on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Danny for being on the
Speaker 1: pod today. She is just the real deal. She's as
Speaker 1: genuine as it comes. And I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: but the first time in my life, I actually felt
Speaker 1: like I was talking to myself.
Speaker 2: It was actually.
Speaker 1: Really a bit surreal, Like the way she was answering questions,
Speaker 1: I literally felt like it was my answers, Like it
Speaker 1: was actually a bit surreal for me to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: But I loved it so much because it's her passion
Speaker 1: is so genuine, her work ethic is unparalleled, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think so many of her points are so important
Speaker 1: because when your clients know how much they mean to
Speaker 1: you and how much you think about them when you're
Speaker 1: not on the clock, I think that really is what matters.
Speaker 2: And she works really, really, really hard.
Speaker 1: I really loved her takeaways about being kind, giving one
Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent, and keeping your reputation solid gold.
Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.