1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Four days after she vanishes. 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: On July eighth, twenty fifteen, Nelson County Detective John Snow 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: sits down with Crystel's boyfriend, Brooks Howk. The conversation lasts 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: for about ninety minutes. Brooks tells Detective Snow just what 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: he told Cristel's mom, Sherry Ballard, about his last hours 6 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: with Crystal. He and Crystel were at his family's farm 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: feeding the cows. You will fed the cows, and then 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: you come back out, and you walked the road right. 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: The roady goes to the after we come after we 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: come back down, were walking up through here? Brookstraws a 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: makeshift map for the detective and shows where he says 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: he and Crystel were on Friday, July third, twenty fifteen. 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: That's you the drama way, yeah, the struggling right, and 14 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: then we walk out the road. We just walk back 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: through there. Wearing a blue polo shirt and jeans, Brooks 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: its casually arm up on the table. He maintains his 17 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: composure and appears unfazed by the detective's questions about the 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: last time he saw Crystal on his mom's farm. I 19 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: mean'sy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: with us. You are hearing just a tiny portion of 21 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: a fantastic new podcast. I'm totally hooked on it. Bardstown 22 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: b is in brother aar d Stown bard like Shakespeare, 23 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: the bard Bardstown Podcast, and this is what it is about. 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: It's all about the mysterious deaths that take place in 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: a very small Kentucky town considered the Bourbon capital of 26 00:01:53,680 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: the world, Bardstown, Kentucky. It's like so many small communities 27 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: across our country, much like the one I grew up in, 28 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: except people are dropping like flies in Bardstown with me 29 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: right now, investigating journalist, podcast producer with A Vault Studios, 30 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Jessica Noel with me her partner, investigative reporter with wh 31 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: A s N Louisville. They are responsible for Bardstown Podcast. 32 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: You can find it at www dot Bardstown podcast dot com. 33 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: We earlier spoke of the multiple murders that had taken 34 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: place in and around Bardstown, Kentucky, an incredibly small town 35 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: for so many dead bodies, but today we're focusing on 36 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: one in particular, and that is Crystal Rogers. Welcome Jessica 37 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: Noel and Shane McAllister, to you, Jessica, tell me about 38 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers. Who is she? Who was she? Well? Crystal 39 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: Rogers is a thirty five year old mother of five. 40 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: She had lived and grown up in Bardstown her whole life, 41 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: and she was dating a man by the name of 42 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: Brooks Howk. They had a child together, and she seemingly 43 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: vanished July third, twenty fifteen, and her car was found 44 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: on the popular roadway through Kentucky Bluegrass Parkway a couple 45 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: days later, and her purse, her cell phone, everything that 46 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: a woman would keep with her was found in her car, 47 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: her unlocked car, and she's not been seen since four 48 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: years later. You know, to Shane McAlister, investigative reporter, wha 49 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: s Louisville. Shay, you guys are rolling her in to 50 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: the Bardstown murders. Tell me about the other murders. Sure, 51 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: so all of these cases date back to two thousand thirteen. 52 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: That's when Bardstown police officer Jason Ellis was ambushed on 53 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: his way home from work. It was the middle of 54 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: the night and as he was pulling off the highway 55 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: onto its exit, there was branches laying in the middle 56 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: of the road and at least one person hiding, who 57 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: then shot and killed him when he got out to 58 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: move the branches. That was the first case. Just over 59 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: a year later, Samantha and Kathy Netherland, a mother and daughter, 60 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: were in their home when they were attacked and brutally murdered. 61 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: And this is a special education teacher at Bardstown Elementary 62 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: School and a high schooler, a teenage student. They were 63 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: very beloved in the community. And that one happened next 64 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: and then sixteen months later, Crystal Rogers goes missing. And 65 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: as of right now, we don't know what has become 66 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: of Crystal Rogers. If she's dead, we don't know her 67 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: mode of day or cause of death. But so far 68 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: we know that multiple people have been murdered in the 69 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: Bardstown area called the most beautiful small town in America. 70 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: And why that is significant is you expect a high 71 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: murder rate in a big city like Atlanta or New York, Philadelphia, LA. 72 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: But in smaller rural areas you don't expect any murders 73 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: at all. They traditionally have a very low crime rate, 74 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: much less a murder rate. Welcome signs actually call it 75 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: the most beautiful small town in America. The Bourbon capital 76 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: of the world. And as a matter of fact, Jessica 77 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: Noll can testify to that. Jessica, weren't you just at 78 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: the Bourbon Festival, right? So we went back. Spencer Brutig 79 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: and I, one of our producers, went back to Bardstown 80 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: for the Kentucky Bourbon Festival, which is a huge deal 81 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: in Bardstown. Thousands of people come in from all over 82 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: to sample bourbon from several distilleries that are actually based 83 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: right there in Bardstown. It's probably the biggest event of 84 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the year every year there. So we wanted to go 85 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: back because there had been some issues with signs that 86 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: were in yards for the prayers for Crystal and standing 87 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: with the ballads. They were being taken down and so 88 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: we wanted to go back and see what was going 89 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: on and what people were saying. And what we saw 90 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: was an incredible outcry of community support. Now wait a minute, 91 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I want to talk. I don't want 92 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: to gloss over what you just said. Signs across Bardstown 93 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: have been removed and the signs specifically were showing support 94 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: for Crystal Rogers who goes missing, incredible pain for Crystal's mother, 95 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: Sherry Ballard, her daughter Crystal went missing, and then her 96 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: own husband was mysteriously killed in twenty sixteen. Now a 97 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: brand new heartache, very very disturbing because these signs all 98 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: across the county were taken down. Now, Balor blames Bardstown, 99 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: the city, which says it has to follow city policy 100 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: all temporary signs in right of ways have to be removed. Now, 101 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if that had anything to do with it, 102 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: but I'm looking at a giant pink plaqueard a sign 103 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: that says Prayers for Crystal. Now, why would anybody want 104 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: to take that down? And it's not in a right 105 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: of way, it's off I would say, a good fifteen 106 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: to thirty feet off the highway. So what happened to 107 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: the Prayers for Crystal signs? Jessica? Well, the city and 108 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: the county deny taking them down. But the signs were 109 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: actually found behind city hall, near a dumpster where they 110 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: store signs that have been taken down. So and Sherry 111 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: and some friends and family are actually the ones who 112 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: found those signs back behind city hall, and they it 113 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: didn't stop them. They replenished what was out there. When 114 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: we went to Bardstown, there were new signs out, but 115 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: there was also you know uh Bourbon Festival signs, no 116 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: parking signs, no pets here, signs that were exactly in 117 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: places where the Prayers for Crystal signs used to be 118 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: and were taken down. But they had created some brand 119 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: new signs also, And some of the signs I should 120 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: mention aren't just prayers for Crystal. They were also pointing 121 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: the finger at the prime suspect in her case, Brooks 122 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: Howe and his brother Nick Howe. You know, I'm very 123 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: curious about why these signs were removed. Prayers for Crystal 124 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: signs and others pointing the finger and others were not 125 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: interesting because now her family's working double time to replace 126 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: his signs at the Bourbon Festival. In the last days, 127 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: Denise and Brittany Emerson wore neon Solve these murder shirts 128 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: hoping to get attention to the case. Take a listen 129 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: to this. He had a little fire. When was that 130 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: after Etiky Walker, before e Tykie Walker. I know we 131 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: fed the cows first because I want to do that 132 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: as quickly where we had still plenty of Anyway, I 133 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: don't know if I lit the fire before we walked 134 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: back here. When I got back, I could have done 135 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: it either well, I don't remember. After the fire and 136 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: with their toddler and toe, Brooks says, he and Crystal 137 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: take a walk to me, and I've got a couple 138 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: of kids, you know, but everybody parts a little differently 139 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: to me. It seems a little late to be out 140 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: on the farm with the two and a half year old. 141 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: Whereas he had at midnight, as he has he'd been 142 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: asleep in the car for a while, as he still 143 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: wide opening hill any anybody he's used So we used 144 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: to sleep and so later in the morning. His normal 145 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: dad's his seven eight o'clock in the evening, real eleven, 146 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: because she sleeps much later in the morning, she stays up. 147 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's always been that way. So he midnight, 148 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: he's wild. Man, did you go straight home on Friday night? 149 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: Or did y'all stop somewhere or because I'm thinking if 150 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: that's their normal seven eight o'clock in the evening, it 151 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: might be dinner time. Did you stop and eat something 152 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: or did you go straight home? We did not eat anything. 153 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: I went straight home, Okay, So he went straight home. 154 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: So let's if we assume that he's correct. In about 155 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: ten minutes after midnight, clime stories with Nancy Grace. To me, 156 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: it seems a little late to be out on the 157 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: farm with the two and a half year whereas he 158 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: had at midnight, as he has, he'd been asleep in 159 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: the car for a while, as any any night he's used, 160 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: so he used to sleep and so lighter in the morning, 161 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: his normal dad's his set eight o'clock in the evening. Really, 162 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: because she sleeps much lighter in the morn she stays up. 163 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: So what Yeah, it's always been that way. So you're 164 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: hearing the boyfriend brooks help and he's speaking to Detective Snow. Now, 165 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: let me understand something. To Shane McAllister, investigative reporter with 166 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: wh A S in Louisville, the boyfriend says he goes 167 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: for a walk with Crystal and the little baby, the 168 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: one year old, at midnight. That's what he tells police. 169 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: He says they went down to feed the cows. But 170 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: Sherry Ballard, Crystal's mom, has had a big problem with 171 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: this since the beginning. She says that it was very 172 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: rainy that night, and there's just no way Crystal would 173 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: have wanted to be watching around the farm, much less 174 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: with her baby. Whose farm was it? It was Howke's 175 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: mom's farm. So, Brooks Howke's mom, Rosemary Howk, has a 176 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: huge farm on the outskirts of Bardstown. That's where they 177 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: say they were. So did brooks house mother see Crystal 178 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: there with the baby that night? We don't have any 179 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: kind of recordings of her police interviews, and she has 180 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: never given us an interview. I don't know. Have you 181 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: tried have you tried to talk to her? Yeah, we 182 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: have tried to talk to her. We've seen her in 183 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: court multiple times over the years. She's always there when 184 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: Brooks's in court or at custody hearings for that little boy, 185 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: and we have definitely tried to talk to her. Who 186 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: has the baby right now? Brooks? How interesting? Very interesting? 187 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: So she's on a date I guess you could call 188 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: it with her boyfriend and he thinks it's a good 189 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: thing to take her to feed the cows at midnight 190 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: with the baby? Do I am I understanding this correctly? 191 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: Jessicall that is correct, And I do want to point 192 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: out also in an upcoming episode of our podcast, we 193 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: actually do go to the farm and try to speak 194 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: to Rosemary there. But what's interesting about the clip that 195 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: you just ran someone on Facebook because we've had a 196 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: lot of chatter from folks that want to chime in 197 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: with what they're hearing and their thoughts and theories. And 198 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: someone pointed out that he actually says in that clip, 199 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: I went home. He doesn't say we, which I thought 200 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: was kind of interesting for someone to hear when they 201 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: were listening to that, because I didn't pick that up. 202 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: He says we didn't get anything to eat. But then 203 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: he says I went home. I noticed that. I noticed 204 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: when he said I went home, and I just assumed 205 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: that Crystal Rogers peeled off. But having a baby out 206 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: at midnight, I just don't believe that for a minute. 207 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Brooks Houp and Detective Snow. I 208 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: probably woke up real you know in between that time 209 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: made six or seven o'clock, and then I left. You know, 210 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: I got give my normal thing to you know, changing 211 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: my clothes, put my clothes on, and and uh and 212 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: headed out, you know shortly after that. You know, So 213 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: you get up between six and seven, and where's Eli 214 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: at When you wake up, he's next to me. He's 215 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: in the bed with you. M okay, so you get up, 216 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: does he get up with you? He's still he's still 217 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: sleeps on ever I whenever I get up, but I 218 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: go to uh, you know, the bathroom and all that 219 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and he's still sleeping, sleeping there on 220 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: the bed. But Crystal isn't there when he gets out. Yes, 221 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: I noticed, I mean I noticed that she wasn't there, 222 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: and I didn't know what was I didn't know exactly 223 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: what to think. I don't know what time I called her. Yes, 224 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: I called her that morning. Brookes takes his son to 225 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: the farm, but his lack of concern for Crystal's whereabouts 226 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: gives the detective pause, and he probes, if I woke 227 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: up on a Saturday morning and my life wasn't with 228 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: me in the mid as is normal? If she were not, 229 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: probably the first thing I would do would be a 230 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: card to find out where she was. Interesting. You are 231 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: hearing Brooks how the boyfriend of Crystal, Rogers, the father 232 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: of their child, and Detective snow speaking and we're talking 233 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: about a new podcast, Bardstown Podcast at Bardstown Podcasts dot com. 234 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: We're all of this unfold. I'm going to circle back 235 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: to what we were just listening to, but take a 236 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: listen to our friends. Is w d RB another Crystal 237 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Rogers went missing and still no answers, But now mysterious 238 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: signs are plastered all over Nelson County, and as w 239 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: dr b's Katrina Helmer reports, the signs don't hold back 240 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: on who's to blame. Signs like this are popping up 241 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: all over Bardstown, pointing fingers directly at the help Brothers. 242 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: They grab your attention and that's the point I saw 243 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: all the signs. They are very But Sherry Ballard is 244 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: making it through another fourth of July without her daughter, 245 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers. She disappeared four years ago. No one has 246 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: ever been charged without any clear answers. Ballard vows to 247 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: never let anyone forget Crystal, and when these signs popped 248 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: up overnight, she says, it's comforting and booked. Houk was 249 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: named the number one suspect of my daughter's disappearance, and 250 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: it makes me feel good to think that people out 251 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: there believe the same thing that I do. We don't 252 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: want It's a dial the album We Don't Want to 253 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: Hurt You for Cotton. This person wants to remain anonymous, 254 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: but admits to being one of several people planting these 255 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: signs in the early morning hours of July fourth, they 256 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: put out seventy five signs with specific phrases. We chose 257 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: Nick Fille to polygraph because Nick did polygraph. Another sign, 258 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: brooks How is the only suspect in the disappearance of 259 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers. You know, you're still the onliest aspect and 260 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: we want to keep that out there. And this one 261 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: ride the wave. It's worked out this far. It refers 262 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: to a eatement brooks How made to w DRB to 263 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: That's what I've done and it's worked out great. dISTAR. 264 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: We still think that he's very cold and disrespectful to 265 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: the family, uncaring Um. He never really seemed to be. 266 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: Um are all bothered by her missing, you know, and 267 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: that's the mother of his son. At the bottom of 268 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: the sign, we're praying for sharks. Another clear pointed message. 269 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: The overall goal is we still don't have answers, we 270 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: still don't have justice UM, and we need to keep 271 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 1: them in the public eye until we do. They know 272 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: in their heart what happened. That's where our friends at 273 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: w d r B. You know, it's amazing to me 274 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: that people have to put up signs, seventy five signs 275 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: overnight to try to get justice. Now. Remember Brooke Howe 276 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: how brothers say they are innocent and everyone is innocent 277 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: until even guilty. But it's amazing to me, jessicaol that 278 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: it seems as if the investigation has totally stymied. It's 279 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: come to a screeching halt. What's happening? That's a great question, Nancy. 280 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: I wish we had some answers for that. What we 281 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: When you hear this the episode, it kind of lays 282 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: out what evidence it seems like police have and what 283 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: it would appear is lacking is a body in this case. 284 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: But Shay and I asked the sheriff while we were 285 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: in town originally covering all this in July, is it 286 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: possible to prosecute and have a conviction without a body, 287 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: and he said yes. So we really don't know what 288 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: the hang up is and what they're waiting on. Essentially 289 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: clime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I want to 290 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: follow up with something you're just saying. If you don't mind, Jackie, 291 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: could you play cut three one more time? I probably 292 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: I probably woke up around you know, in between that 293 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: time May six or seven o'clock and then I left. 294 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: You know, I got give my normal thing, because you know, 295 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: change my clothes, putting my clothes on, and and uh 296 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 1: and headed out, you know shortly after that. You know, 297 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: So you get up between six and seven, and where's 298 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Eli at when you wake up? He's next to me. 299 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: He's in the bed with you. Okay, Um, so you 300 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: get up? Does he get up with you? He's still 301 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: he's still sleeps on every eye whenever I get up. 302 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: But I go to uh, you know, the bathroom and 303 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: all that, Stefan, he's still sleeping, sleeping there on the bed. 304 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: But Crystal isn't there when he gets at Yes, I noticed, 305 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean I noticed that she wasn't there. I didn't 306 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: know what was. I didn't know exactly what too. I 307 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: don't know what time about call her? Yes, I called 308 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: her that morning. Brooks takes his son to the farm, 309 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: but his lack of concern for Crystel's whereabouts gives the 310 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: detective pause. If I will up on a Saturday morning 311 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: and my wife wasn't with me in the bed as 312 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: is normal, if she were not, probably the first thing 313 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: I would do would be to call her to find 314 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: out where she was. Shay mc allister, I'm hearing them 315 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: talking about the help brothers. There's more than one of them, Yes, 316 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: there is. There are two help brothers. There's Nick Holp, 317 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: the older of the two. He was a Bargetown police 318 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: officer when Crystel went missing, and then his younger brother 319 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: Brooks help with Crystel's boyfriend. So is he is the 320 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: brother still with the police force. He is not. He 321 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: was fired just a few months after Crystel went missing. 322 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: And you'll actually to hear a little bit more on 323 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: that in the recent or upcoming episodes where Nick interfered 324 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: with the investigation. He actually called his brother Brooks while 325 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: he was in an interrogation room with police. As a 326 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: matter of fact, take a listen to this. The interview 327 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: is interrupted when Brooks gets a call from his older brother, 328 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: Nick Holck, the Bartstown police officer. Yeah, I'm I'm up period. 329 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: I know that you didn't know what I'm up hearing 330 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: this interview with um the detective. Detective Snow, I've been 331 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: up here a good little while. I'm feeling out this 332 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: this statement here and everything. Do you know, are you 333 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: telling me that's here? You telling me that's what I 334 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: need to do? I know, I know, I don't I know. 335 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: I'm not. I know that. But what if I look 336 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: at it is, I'm in a hain't done nothing wrong. Well, 337 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: you know, I know you told me innocent people have 338 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: got jammed up. If you're telling me to leave, I'll 339 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: get up and leave if you want me, if you 340 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: want me to, I know I'm gonta do a lot, 341 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: but I'm trying to get this guy to help me. 342 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think she's ran off with 343 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: another guy. I don't believe that. You can't make me 344 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: think that. Look yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean ups, 345 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: I'll do exactly what you're telling me to do. Right now. 346 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: You want me get up to leave, Well, that's exactly 347 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: what he did. That's Brooks how the boyfriend the lover 348 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: of Crystal Rogers, now missing with Detective Snow. And as 349 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, he did get up and leave. Well, 350 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: long story short, the Bardstown Police Chief Rick McGavin. Here's 351 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: that the officer, Officer Howe, calls his brother and tells 352 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: him to leave listen. But news of that phone call 353 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: eventually gets back to Bardstown Police Chief McCubbin and goes 354 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: against everything his oath of ethics stands for. In his department. 355 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: Nick wasn't being questioned, No, But what really got my 356 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: irishow was the fact that he called his brother and 357 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, kind of encouraged him to, you know, 358 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: to leave, to get out of there. And sure you 359 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: again let me let me use an example. You and 360 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: your friend could call you and go and Jessica, you 361 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: need to shut up and leave. Nothing I can do 362 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: about it. Which friends not a cop, Your brother's not 363 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: a cop. And I told him, I said, that's not 364 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: how this profession rolls. You don't get to do that. 365 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: I don't care if you're looking out for your brother 366 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: or not. You don't get to do that, you know. 367 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: So that was, you know, part of it. Well. As 368 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, after that, Nick How's the boss, 369 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: the police chief orders him to talk to detectives, and 370 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: according to an FBI polygraph examiner who tells Nick Howe 371 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: in a police interrogation video quote, it's pretty clear you 372 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: haven't told me the complete truth. The questions you're having 373 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: problems with are questions about Crystal, in particular whether or 374 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: not you know where she is right now. Explain that 375 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: to me, Deskinal what happened? So the FBI polygraph examiner 376 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: tells Nick how the police officer at that time that 377 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: he is not being truthful with him, and that whole 378 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: interaction just really begins to escalate, and he at one 379 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 1: point asks him as Nick is getting audibly frustrated with 380 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: him because he's calling him a liar essentially, At one point, 381 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: the FBI polygraph examiner says, is this how you acted 382 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: towards Crystal? And and he obviously begins yelling at that point. 383 00:24:54,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: So there is something, and you know better than us 384 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: that polygraphic examinations aren't always one, but there was something. 385 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: There was enough of not telling the truth that set 386 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: off their radar, and that he was not being truthful 387 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: when he was talking about Crystal, about her disappearance, about 388 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: Brooks possibly telling him something about him having any involvement, 389 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: He was not being truthful according to their examination. Take 390 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: a listen to this. Well, Nick, I've had a chance 391 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: to review in your charts on the test that first 392 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: test you I did not pass the test, and it's 393 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: pretty clear to me that you have a police truth 394 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: to that. Nick questions you're having a problem with or 395 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: questions about Crystal, and they particular one about whether or 396 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: not you know where she has right now, and I 397 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: don't I treat police officers in these circumstances so like 398 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: I would myself. So we're not going to go through 399 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: all the interview of derogation constense. You and I are 400 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: in the same page. But again, I'm also continue to 401 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: complete truth because we're sitting here and it's no longer 402 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: a matter I'm wondering do you know anything about what happened? 403 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: We're past that now, and now I got crystal clear 404 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: with you. I give everybody a good fair test. I'm 405 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: no longer asking you if you know you do? Now 406 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: what do you want to do with that is entirely 407 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: up to you. I'm gonna yea let's great match and 408 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: get the sick words, falling book and all that. I'm 409 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: talking to you, man to managers, a fallow enforce an 410 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: officer that the time has come for you to think 411 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: real hard about the rest of your life. This is you, 412 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: my time of Brooks everybody else, and I'm telling you facts. 413 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm an old guy and I'm trying to be a 414 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: father figure here, but I'll tell you doing this for 415 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: twenty five years. The way that this pans out when 416 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: the FBI gets involved in this investigation, or you're listening 417 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: one thing. You don't have to say anything to tell 418 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: you do whatever you want to do. As I said, 419 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: we you may never even be an FBI agent, all right, 420 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: but once you get on the radar, we don't go 421 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: away unless there's every reason too. I thought there would be. 422 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: He had passed this, and there's some other information there 423 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: as well, So I guarantee you what I'm going away, 424 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: all right. The FBI has unlimited resources in terms of 425 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: forensic information, electronic information, many bodies that want to pour 426 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: attribute surveillance and look at everything that's ever not on. 427 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: We will find Crystal lives zero about about this, no 428 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: matter what it's gonna On July fifteenth, twenty fifteen, detectives 429 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: also revealed to Nick they found bodily fluids inside his 430 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: police cruiser the day after he and Brooks leave the 431 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: station together and drive to their mom's farm. Have you 432 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: ever heard of limit all? All right? You know what 433 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: limit all is used for. It's fine, bloody or other. 434 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: So we all excreted bodily fluid, sweat, you know, vomit, 435 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: anything you saliva. All that is wood fluoresce. Why would 436 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: why would your trunk look like a smurf if they 437 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: sprayed it. Why would it fluoress that you look like 438 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: they're noble. There's col spots in the trunk, in that blanket, 439 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean, just little electron roble. Why would that they're 440 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: be any blood and trunk? I got blood, and I 441 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: say blood, I'm talking about other bodily fluids. I don't 442 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: have you love, There shouldn't There shouldn't be anybody bodying 443 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: floods in the crime. WHOA, it's not gonna be any blood. Well, 444 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: that tells me right there that there's a strong possibility 445 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: she was asphyxiated. She's not gonna be any blood. That's 446 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: the first thing he said. And again everyone who said 447 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: they're not guilty, that they're innocent in this case and 448 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: they have a right to a trial by jury, you know, 449 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: in many big jurisdictions, and I assume this is true 450 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: and small as well. Cars are cleaned out at the 451 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: end of every patrol with cleaner. Let me ask you 452 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: something to Jessica Noel, Investigative journalist podcast Prodigia with Vault Studios. 453 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: Shane mcallis or Investigative Report of a WHA s Louisville 454 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: who have come up with an incredible podcast, Bardstown Podcast. 455 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: Were the fluids left in the patrol car tested and 456 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: if so, did they match Crystal Rogers? Again, Nancy, A 457 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: really great question. What we know is what we have 458 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: heard in these recordings with police. The police, the KSP, 459 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: I believe the testing may have been done by the 460 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: FBI are being very tight lipped about what they have found, 461 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: both in the car in the searches they've done, which 462 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: you'll hear about this week. They're not telling us what 463 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: they've found or any test results that have come back. Wow. Okay. 464 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: Question to Shane McAlister. So according to the boyfriend, okay, 465 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: how Crystal Rogers in the bay are there at his 466 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: mom's farm that evening? He takes them at midnight to 467 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: walk down to the cow barn and take care of 468 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: the cows. They come, He goes, I come home, and 469 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: then he says, the next morning Crystal is gone. Where 470 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: did he report her missing? Brooks Hawk never reports her missing? 471 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Christa Rodgers and the baby 472 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: are there at his mom's farm that evening. He takes 473 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: them at midnight to walk down to the cow barn 474 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: and take care of the cows. They come, He goes, 475 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: I come home, and then he says, the next morning, 476 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: Crystal is gone. Where did he report her missing? Brooks, 477 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: how never reports her missing. Actually, her mom reports her 478 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: missing a few days later when she's had trouble reaching 479 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: her over the phone, and when she actually runs into 480 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: Brooks's house in town. She asked Brooks, hey, have you 481 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: seen Crystel. Where do you think she is? And Brooks 482 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: said no, I haven't seen her. And Sherry says, well, 483 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: then I'm going to go report her missing. And Brooks says, yeah, 484 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: I think you should do that. Take a listen to 485 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: brooks house speaking to detectives now on this very issue. 486 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: Brooks runs into Crystal's mom. I've met her mother to 487 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: gas station somewhere one of those days, her mother, Sharry. 488 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: Crystel's mother, Sharry came up her to my window and 489 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: asked me if I had seen Crystel. And when you 490 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: told her what, I haven't seen her, don't know where 491 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: she is, and she just said okay, And she thought 492 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: that she thought that the wisest thing for us to do. Well, 493 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: she says, She's going to go to the police station. 494 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: Then I went home. Meanwhile, Crystal's mom files a missing 495 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: person's report at the Nelson County Sheriff's office around three pm. 496 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: Two hours later, her father Tommy gets a call Crystal's 497 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: car has been found along the Bluegrass Parkway. Tommy goes 498 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: and uncovers her keys, phone, and purse inside. Brooks tells 499 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: Detective Snow that he wasn't concerned until Sunday because she'd 500 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: quote done this before joining me right now. In addition 501 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: to her parents saw Tom and Sherry Ballard, her boyfriend 502 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: that she lived with. So Brooks, you go to bed 503 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: and she's still playing games on her phone. The next morning, 504 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: around eight o'clock, you notice that she's missing. Did you 505 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: report her missing? No, ma'am why That is a great 506 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: question and one that I definitely once to his the 507 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: the public in the media. I was not in the 508 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: least little bit alonged in any way, shape or form. 509 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: We have had a stress relationship at times, and one 510 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: of the ways that Crystal has always chose to the 511 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: culprit to deal with that is going to a young 512 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: woman's name Sabrina, that is her cousin, her dad's brother's daughter, 513 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: whom she's very close to. That she's spent the night 514 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: there on several occasions. When you say several, do you 515 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: mean one three twenty in the neighborhood of four to six? Okay, 516 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: Thomas Sherry Ballard, were you aware of that? Do you 517 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: know who Sabrina is? His name? That's my niece? Okay? 518 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: Did you know that she goes and spends the night 519 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: over there when she's having an issue at home? I'm 520 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: not on probably one time? Right, Okay, I want to 521 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: go back to Brooke's. How let me ask you this. 522 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: I know that you agree to take a polygraph? Did 523 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: you pass? They because of the way that the lines 524 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: or whatever wrong that they made, determined it to be 525 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: what's called inconclusive. I'm not exactly sure what that means, 526 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: but they did tell me if it does mean that 527 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't lying, or I didn't pass it, or I 528 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: didn't feel it, they just ruled it inconclusive. And that's 529 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: exactly the way that it stands. I've been one hundred 530 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: percent completely honest with everyone. I've been a one hundred 531 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: percent cooperative and everything that has been asked of me, 532 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: I've not asked for any kind of legal advice or 533 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: assistance or an attorney with any nature I'm one hundred 534 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: percent completely innocent in this, and I have exhausted my 535 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: efforts with the law enforcement agencies to gather all the 536 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: fights necessary to allow me to have a clean name again, 537 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: and that's very important to me. You are hearing, oh, 538 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: who has been called the number one suspect, Crystal Rogers 539 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: lover Brooks help with me questioning him. I find it 540 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: very interesting that either he's not telling me the truth 541 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: or the FBI agent that took the polygraph is not 542 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: telling truth. Because I was looking right at the video 543 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: when the agent that the polygrapher says, you did not pass. Okay, 544 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: that's not inconclusive. That's you did not pass. But when 545 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: I was questioning him, Howe says that it was inconclusive, 546 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: basically blaming the test. Also, I heard something very significant apparently. 547 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: The first story was they were up playing games like 548 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: video games, I guess, and then went to sleep. That's 549 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: a far cry from feeding the cows. Jessica Nole Brooks's 550 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: story is that once they got home from the farm, 551 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: he went to bed and his son stayed up with 552 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: Crystal and Crystal played games on her phone, and that 553 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: was the last time he saw her. HM Hm for 554 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: more on the disappearance and many of us believe the 555 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: death of a mom of five. Crystal Rogers joined Shay 556 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: and Jessica at Bardstown podcast dot Com. We Wait as 557 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: justice unfalse Nancy Grace Crimestory signing off good bye.