1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have a special 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: guest today. He is the Deputy director of the National 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Council of Resistance of Iran, the author of the Iran Threat, 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: and an outspoken Middle Eastern expert working to prevent the 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Iranian regime from acquiring nuclear weapons. It's really key right 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: now because we've just found out that they are potentially 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: in our producing more nuclear potential weapons in Iran than 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: we've ever seen before, and so we wanted to get 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: right into this. I have Ali Rasa Jafarza Day with 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: me again. He is the Deputy director of the National 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Council of the Resistance of Iran. Ali Rasa, thank you 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: so much for joining me. 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Jared there, it's always a pleasure 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: to be on your show. 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 3: Well, I enjoy having you as well. 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: We are looking at all the stuff that we're It 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: feels like news is coming fast and furious out of Iran. 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: What's actually happening. What's happening with the United States. I 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: know the President has been working with them on a 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: new nuclear deal. However, this information that's come out over 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: the weekend is pretty stunning. 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 4: Can you tell us a little bit. 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: About that. 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 5: Sure, the you know, the IE puts out you know, 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 5: every few months that put out the report about the 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 5: nuclear weapons or nuclear program of Iran in general, but 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 5: specifically on the nuclear weapons program. This report that hasn't 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 5: actually been published, but has been available to the Board 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 5: of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 5: the UN nuclear watchdog, but also it has been viewed 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 5: by some journalists who have written stories. 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: About it based on that. 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 5: This report is very dammy because on so many different aspects. 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 5: The report makes it very clear that a when it 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 5: comes to producing fissile material, which is a necessary core 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 5: for the building a nuclear bomb, the regime has actually 37 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 5: enricheranium to sixty percent, and they have also increased the 38 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 5: amount of enricheranium to sixty percent about fifty percent higher 39 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 5: and more quantity than they had in February. 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: So that means they have enough fissile material. 41 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 5: Once they further enach it to ninety percent, which is 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 5: just a screw drivers turn away, they would have enough 43 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 5: facile material for about ten nuclear bombs. 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: And when you say nuclear bombs, are we talking like 45 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: the type of nuclear bomb that we've seen dropped on 46 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: Japan in World War Two? 47 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 5: Well, this is we were talking about the you know, 48 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 5: implosion bomb, yes, and that emplosion bomb is something that 49 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 5: the Run regime has been working on. They had an 50 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 5: original plan known as Armad plan, you know, from early 51 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 5: two thousands, and that Armoun plan was to give around 52 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 5: five nuclear bombs and they were working on that very secretly. 53 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: Until we first exposed. 54 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 5: The nuclear site in Natans in August of two thousand 55 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 5: and two, right here in Washington, and that triggered the 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 5: same day the reaction by the International Atomic Energy Agency, which, 57 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 5: by the way, until then they had no inspections program 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 5: about the Iran that had never gone to Iran to 59 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 5: inspect site and all that. So that triggered the inspections 60 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 5: that eventually the Run regime allowed the IAA to go 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 5: to Iran in February of two thousand and three, and 62 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 5: then the whole cycle of inspections started. Now that Armaud 63 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 5: plan basically was disrupted primarily as a result of our revelations. 64 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: I'll give you one example. There was one site in addition. 65 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 5: To Nathan's, known as the levizon Chian site near Tehran 66 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 5: that we exposed in May of two thousand and three. 67 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 5: The ia got very interested about that site they wanted 68 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 5: to inspect the site, and they went back and forth, 69 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 5: back and forth. Eventually the regime allowed them to go 70 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 5: to Lebizan Jean in June of two thousand and four, 71 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 5: that's thirteen months later, and what they found was nothing. 72 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 5: The regime had entirely raised the whole building, the whole infrastructure, 73 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 5: They had removed the soil and they changed everything, and 74 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 5: they told the IEA, Okay, now if you want to 75 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 5: take samples, you can come and take samples. There were 76 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 5: one hundred percent sure that they have removed everything, and 77 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 5: the ia which was absolutely shocked by that, they took 78 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 5: samples and that's where they found that traces of highly 79 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 5: enriched radio That became one of the main centers of 80 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 5: contention between the IAEA and the Iran A regime. 81 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: Now the new report. 82 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: Wait, wait when was that? 83 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 5: That was in June of two thousand and four. We're 84 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 5: talking about twenty one years ago, and. 85 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Since then we've been watching, but they've never really formally 86 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: found around to be in non compliance. Right, they've been watching, 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: but this is the first time that the Western Powers 88 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: are submitting a draft resolution saying that they are truly 89 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: in non compliance right now. 90 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 5: Yes, definitely, because one of the reasons that they didn't, 91 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 5: you know, they were hoping that the Iran A regime 92 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 5: would have, you know, would clear some of those questions 93 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 5: what they call possible military dimensions, meaning work on building 94 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 5: the bomb, and the regime basically continuously and consistently rebuffed 95 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 5: the IAEA, and one of those points was about this 96 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 5: in Lavizanan. 97 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: They basically the IEA basically said. 98 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 5: You know what, we're not going to pursue this anymore 99 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 5: because we're not going to get anywhere. That doesn't mean 100 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 5: that we're satisfied that this issue is resolved. That means 101 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 5: that we're just putting at the sides, clearly showing that 102 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 5: the Iran regime is not planning and has not planned 103 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 5: to respond to any of these inquiries. 104 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: It's practically useless. 105 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: To go back and forth with the Irano regime because 106 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 5: they're just going to play games with you. They give 107 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 5: you explanations that even a child will not accept it. 108 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 5: But as far as they're concerned, that's the response. It 109 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 5: seems like they is important. 110 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: It seems like they have zero respect, obviously for anyone 111 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: outside of Iran, and they are certainly they certainly have 112 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: little respect for the United States, and we've seen what 113 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: they did on October seventh of last year in or 114 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: twenty three, I guess it was in Israel. What is 115 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: now we are hearing from Iran? Of course, Oh, we 116 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: were not ever going to use these weapons. This is 117 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: for peace. 118 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: But knowing that they were able to enact. 119 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: Such a horrific attack on Israel and such a surprise attack, 120 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: obviously something that had been in. 121 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: The works for a while. 122 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: But obviously we also know that Biden released all that 123 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: money to them. They ended up very in a very 124 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: wealthy situation where obviously they use that money for terror. 125 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: Other countries would use it to feed their people. That's 126 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: not how Iran works. They use it for terror. What 127 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: are the dangers to the United States or even the 128 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: European countries if they continue to build toward nuclear weapons. 129 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: Well think about that too. 130 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: Without the bomb, they're the worst leading state sponsor of terror. 131 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 5: Just about every trouble in the region, one way or 132 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 5: the other, traces back to Tehran. Gym has significantly benefited 133 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 5: from relying on these proxies that they built over the years. 134 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 5: You know, look at Hesbolait Lebanon, the whole creation and 135 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 5: the continuation and the funding and the training and the 136 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 5: arming of Hesbo law entirely came from Tehran, and this 137 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 5: was conceded by Hesbala leaders, including Hassan Astrola. The same 138 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 5: situation with the Huthis in them in an Yema that 139 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 5: they were basically formed, funded and trained by the Run 140 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 5: regime to wage attacks the way we side at least 141 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 5: in the past year or two, the Shia militias in Lebanon, 142 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 5: and you mentioned the case of October seventh, that attack 143 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 5: could not have possibly happened without the direct involvement, training, planning, funding, 144 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 5: all of those things, either directly or through their other 145 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 5: proxies like Hesbola and others. And that's why, you know, 146 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 5: we said right from the beginning that the head of 147 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 5: the stake of war and terror lies in Tehran, and 148 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 5: so does the solution. So long as the Molars are 149 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 5: in power, you're going to see all of these activities continued. 150 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 5: But the good point, the only good point you can 151 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 5: find among all of these things, is that the regime 152 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 5: is getting increasingly weaker and weaker. They're losing these proxies. 153 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 5: You know, look at the Syria, Asad was the biggest 154 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 5: ally the Iran regime had you know, for years, for decades, 155 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 5: they spent at these fifty billion dollars to prop up Assad, 156 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 5: spending as many as one hundred thousand of their proxies 157 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 5: to keep Acid in power, and then in eleven days 158 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 5: the whole thing collapse, and the same situation with Hesbola 159 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: and other proxies. So the people have now seen the 160 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 5: weakness of the Iran regime, that the Molas are not 161 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 5: ten feet tall the way they wanted to portray themselves. 162 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 5: But also inside Iran, this corroborates with what has been 163 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 5: happening inside the country that the regime you know, has 164 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 5: been facing a lot of rejection by the arena in people. 165 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 5: We had, you know, several rounds of major uprisings in 166 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 5: Iran and in all thirty one provinces, people calling for change, 167 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 5: and that's what the realize it is. 168 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 4: And we've seen quite a bit of that. 169 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: We've seen even the women who have gone out and 170 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: protested with refusing to wear the hitjob. And then you know, 171 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: we've seen some horrific reactions from the Molas there and 172 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: the way they've treated the people. We've also seen people 173 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: rise up against the regime and just be executed. I mean, 174 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: this is a really the way they treat the rest 175 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: of the world through their proxies is how they treat 176 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: their own people as well. We shouldn't be deceived by 177 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: the fact that they're going out to fight other people. 178 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: They would behead and murder their own people just like 179 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: they would do to anyone else. 180 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a very brutal regime. 181 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: But I think it's there's a couple of things I 182 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: want to cover here when people talk about them as 183 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: the world's leading sponsor of terror, as you mentioned, these 184 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: groups would not exist without the support of Iran. The Hamas, Husbla, 185 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: the Houthis, all of these they're getting. 186 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 4: Funding from Iran. 187 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Now, I think it's critical to mention that Donald Trump 188 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: came out and said, had he been president, the attack 189 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: on Israel would not have happened, and people don't really 190 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: understand if they aren't really very involved in this discussion, 191 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: they may not fully understand what he means by that. 192 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: And I want to break that down a little bit. 193 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: Because Donald Trump was very clear about holding money from Iran. 194 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't going to give them the billions of dollars 195 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: he was going to hold back their oil production and 196 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: their ability to sell oil. He did that effectively for 197 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: the four years that he was in office. I didn't 198 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: reverse all of that. Obama had also gone the completely 199 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: opposite direction. How much does who is in power in 200 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: the United States matter to the safety on the world stage, 201 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: because under Obama it seemed like the Iranian regime became 202 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: much more powerful. Trump came there was a reduction in 203 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: power Biden. All of a sudden, we're seeing sponsors, these 204 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: terror attacks being sponsored by Iran again because they have 205 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: all this money. How much does the United States impact 206 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: the ability for the regime to continue to launch their 207 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: terror attacks across the world. 208 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 5: Well, it's extremely important on how the outside world treats 209 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 5: the Irana regime and this situation in Iran. Unfortunately, for decades, 210 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 5: the biggest problem has been the policy of appeasement that 211 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 5: was pursued by the West, both by the Europeans but 212 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 5: also here you mentioned the examples during the Obama administration, 213 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 5: during the by then administration. The whole idea behind that 214 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 5: was that, Okay, there are some moderates within the Iran 215 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 5: and regime. 216 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: If we just be able to reach out to them. 217 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 5: Empower them, giving them money and incentives, then that will 218 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 5: change the behavior of the Irnogy at least that's the 219 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 5: justification they use to the contrary the molaws are. This 220 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 5: is a system built on theocracy. The Supreme Leader has 221 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 5: all the authority. The vote of people doesn't even exist. 222 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 5: So the more money and resources you give them, the 223 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 5: more empowered they get. And that's why the money that 224 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 5: goes to Iran, under any pretext, it will end up 225 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 5: in the pocket of the revolutionary regards and the Supreme Leader. 226 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 5: Not even a single dollar of that goes to the 227 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 5: people or helping the economy or flourishing the society, none 228 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 5: of that. And that's why you saw that. You know, 229 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 5: the Tehran wanted palettes of cash. Why would you ask 230 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 5: for palettes of cash? I mean real cash, I mean 231 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 5: real money that they you know, you delivered to them. 232 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: Where does that end up? You know, in Lebanon, in Syria. 233 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 5: You know, the leaders of these proxies said very clearly that. 234 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: When they went to Tehran they were given like. 235 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 5: Suitcases full of cash, so much that they couldn't even 236 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 5: carry anymore. Tens of millions of dollars of cash given 237 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 5: to them. This is not the way you want to 238 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 5: treat the run or regime if you want to end 239 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 5: the terror. And you know, the world's leading state sponsor 240 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 5: of terrorism. So it does make a huge difference how 241 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 5: the policy is pursued, whether it's the United States or 242 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 5: in Europe. You know, the oil revenue, for instance, doesn't 243 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 5: go to the people. In fact, when the oil export 244 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 5: of Iran, which was close to three hundred thousand barrels 245 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 5: day in January twenty twenty, in about four years, it 246 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 5: went up to close to two million barrels a day. 247 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: Now do you think that would help the Rnied economy. 248 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: It didn't. 249 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 5: The currency value of Iran went down way, you know, 250 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 5: about half of that. The inflation has been hired. The 251 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 5: people of irund have gotten poorer. But at the same time, 252 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 5: the regime had more money to give these proxies to 253 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 5: expand their nuclear weapons program, to expand their missile program. 254 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 5: The regime has spent two trillion dollars on its nuclear 255 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 5: weapons program. Think about it. Two trillion dollars is a 256 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 5: lot of money for Iran. You know, the Holy Run, 257 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 5: the Rock War that lasted for eight years costs it 258 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 5: around one trillion dollar and yet the nuclear program has 259 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 5: cost them two trillion dollars. So that's why you don't 260 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: want to give money and resources to a regime that 261 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 5: has a history of using that for terrorism and against 262 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 5: the people, but also to the detriment of the people 263 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 5: in the region. 264 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: Stick around, We've got more coming up on the Iranian 265 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: resistant movement, but first I want to talk to you 266 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: about my partners at American Alternative Markets are still experiencing 267 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: that volatility. 268 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 4: Remember we talked about those brief rallies. 269 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Then they're being erased by sharp sellofs and the dollar 270 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: continues to weaken on international markets, but gold has surged 271 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: to all time record highs. 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That's eight 290 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: seven seven five to two gold or visit Tutorsgold dot 291 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: com now, stay tuned. We've got more after this well, 292 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: and obviously we know what the result is of nuclear weapons. 293 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: I think that's why this should be a top concern. 294 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about the top threats to the 295 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: United States, and I think everybody would say the top 296 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: threats to the United States right now are Iran and China. 297 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: Iran is really a while card because if you just 298 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: look at what the Supreme Leader is posting on social media, 299 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: you would say, Okay, this is a massive threat. This 300 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: guy is regularly saying that he wants to take out 301 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: the United States of America, and this hasn't really been 302 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: It seems like under the biding the regime you're write 303 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: that they were looking at this and saying, oh, there's 304 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: there's some reasonable people over there. And I think most 305 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: generals that work under the Trump administration would say, there 306 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: is no reasoning with these people that this is a 307 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: radical regime. And to your point, they've been funding these 308 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: terror attacks in other countries, but they're preparing something that 309 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: to me is very scary. In fact, they're so manipulative, 310 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: and I think this is what the American people need 311 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: to understand, because there has been some back and forth 312 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: over whether or not they're as dangerous as we think 313 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: they are. There has been in July, I think it 314 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: was July of twenty twenty for the Director of National 315 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: Intelligence here in the United States said that she had 316 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: credible evidence that Iran was funding the protests on college 317 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: campuses and the protests, the Palestinian protests, and that message was, Oh, 318 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: these people are living under the control of Israel. 319 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: These poor people are being treated horribly. 320 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 4: By the Israelis. 321 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: That message was going far and wide across the United States. 322 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: But tell us a little bit about exactly how the 323 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: people of Iran are treated by the malas well. 324 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 5: Let me just add one point. Do you mentioned, and 325 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 5: I'll talk to you about the way people of Iran 326 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 5: are treated. You know, if you mentioned the website of 327 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 5: the Supreme Leader Comedy. Just a few months ago, the 328 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 5: website of comedy posted a video Kilipo, you know that 329 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 5: had they had made it was a simulation of the 330 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 5: assassination of of President Trump at the golf course and 331 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 5: all of that, and how they actually monitored the whole 332 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 5: thing and went and supposedly carried out that assassination. You 333 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 5: would think this is just a propaganda think where you know, 334 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 5: from a few months ago as we speak right now, 335 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 5: that video clib is still on the website of the Supermerider. 336 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 5: What does it tell you? That's the agenda that the 337 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 5: molas have. They're spreading terror, violence and instability. 338 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: That's how they survive. 339 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 5: They thrive on that and the same treatment they give 340 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 5: to the people of Iran. You know, since last year 341 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 5: in August, when the new president of the regime, Pezeshkian, 342 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 5: the so called moderate, took office, nearly thirteen hundred prisoners 343 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 5: have been executed, including women, and including political prisoners. That's 344 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 5: a sign of a very vulnerable regime that stays in 345 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 5: power only through repression and killings. That's a sign of 346 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 5: a regime that has been rejected by the people of Iran. 347 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 5: And that's why these protests that has been going on 348 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 5: in the past few years are extremely important because it 349 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 5: shows you how the people of Iran feel about the regime. 350 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 5: Number one, second, they're willing to take the risk to 351 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 5: come to the street and confront the regime, to wage protests. 352 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: In a public way. 353 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 5: They were chanting death to how many death to the oppressor, 354 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 5: be the Supreme Leader or the shop, making very clear 355 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 5: that they reject any form of dictatorship. The same way 356 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 5: that they overthrew the Shah's dictatorship, which was repressive, had 357 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 5: the secret police, abart had the single party rule was 358 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 5: extremely corrupt. 359 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: They got rid of them the same way they're. 360 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 5: Willing to pay the price even higher to get rid 361 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 5: of the Molos. But also what is important is the 362 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 5: sentiment of the people is combined with an organized resistance, 363 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 5: because the regime can suppress protests here and there. 364 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: And find a way to survive. 365 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 5: But when there is an organized opposition that has a 366 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 5: plan to confront the regime that is willing to pay 367 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 5: the price, but also has a plan for the future, 368 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 5: you know, plan for the transition after the overthrow of 369 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 5: the Malus. 370 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: But what kind of Iran. 371 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 5: They're looking for, you know, interestingly, you talk about the 372 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 5: repression of women, it's not an accident that the leader 373 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 5: of the opposition and those who are in the forefront 374 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 5: of the fight against this regime are actually female women, 375 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 5: because this regime is so misogynist. The opposition, you know, 376 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 5: in direct contradiction to the Mullus, they have a lot 377 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 5: of respect for women. In fact, women leadership. Missus Mariam 378 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 5: Bradjavia has been the leader of of this movement. She 379 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 5: introduced a plan known as a ten point Platform for 380 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 5: the Future of Iran that calls for ballot box as 381 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 5: the sole criteria for legitimacy, separassion of religion and said 382 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 5: gender equality, freedom of religion, free market economy, piece in 383 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 5: the Middle East, a non nuclear republic form of a government. 384 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 5: That platform and her movement has been gaining a lot 385 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 5: of support internationally, both in Europe some four thousand parliamentarians 386 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 5: sitting parliamentarians cross party, but also here in the US 387 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 5: there was a resolution that was just introduced a few 388 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 5: months ago here and just passed the. 389 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: Two hundred and twenty. 390 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 5: Five co sponsors, which is a majority bipartisan that supports 391 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 5: that ten point plan, but also talks about those young 392 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 5: people in Iran, what they call the resistance units, their 393 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 5: right to confront the revolutionary goards, their right to overthrow 394 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 5: the repressive rulers. 395 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: That's where we need to focus. 396 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 5: We need to instead of thinking about the Malas, you know, 397 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 5: whether we can have a dialogue with this molo and 398 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 5: that molog, thinking about the people of Iran who are eventually, 399 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, are going to be 400 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 5: able to bring about change and be the real partner 401 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 5: with the international community. 402 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: We need to stand on their side, with the sand on. 403 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 5: The side of their you know, those young people to 404 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 5: bring down the Malas. 405 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: Before we get into that, I do want to go 406 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: into exactly what that plan would be, how that would look, 407 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: because I think there is a lot of fear over 408 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: how does one get in and overthrow such a regime. 409 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: The way they were able to get into power is 410 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: how any communists gets into power is to deceive the people. 411 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: They had great propaganda, they still have great propaganda worldwide, 412 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: but I don't think there are people are deceived anymore. 413 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: I think the people know exactly where they stand with 414 00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: the Malas. 415 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 3: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 416 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think it's just an interesting 417 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 3: contrast here as we watch the people in the United States, 418 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 3: so many of these young college students who have come 419 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: out and defended Hamas and defended this type of brutal regime, 420 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 3: and I don't think they realize exactly what they are defending. 421 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: They're defending this and we have people, we have this 422 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: one gentleman. 423 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard this story, but one 424 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: gentleman who came onto a college campus. He is being 425 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: deported because they say, you know, he didn't have the 426 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: right to go on to the college campus and and 427 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: create anti semitism, defend this terrorist regime over there, and 428 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: to defend Hamas. And the people in the United States 429 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: are just up in arms. How could he be deported? 430 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: This is such a disaster. I think of the contrast 431 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: of the people of Iran who go out, as you said, 432 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: knowing the consequences. 433 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 4: Not hundreds, but of more than. 434 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: One thousand political opponents of the regime have been executed. 435 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 4: This is not like being deported. 436 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: This is not being jailed for the night, This is 437 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: not being let out on bond. This is losing your 438 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: life to try to bring back freedom to your country, 439 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: a country that was once very free. I mean, if 440 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: you look at videos and pictures of Iran just twenty 441 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: five thirty years ago, it's a much different country than 442 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: it is today. I guess we'd be talking what maybe 443 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: sixty years ago now that Iran was a much freer 444 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: country than it is today. 445 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 4: How do you get back there? How do you overthrow 446 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 4: this regime? 447 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: And would it be to go back to what Iran 448 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: looked like in the seventies. 449 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 5: Well, definitely, As you said, Tudor, you know, we have 450 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 5: a history over a decade at least, and the contemporary 451 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 5: era of fighting for freedom and democracy. We won Sadev 452 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 5: and nationalistic, gaily elected government Doctor Masadev too bad. It 453 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 5: was overthrown by foreign powers, but also with the help 454 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 5: of the clerics at the time, who put the notorious 455 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 5: Shaw back in power. 456 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: Would rule through sheer repression. 457 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 5: Then people revolted against that, and then the Molas came 458 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 5: out of noverb. Interestingly, the Malos had no role in 459 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 5: the revolution. If the revolution was a genuine revolution for freedom. 460 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 5: People wanted to have freedom for everybody, every sector of 461 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 5: the society. But the good point is that the people 462 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 5: who are sacrifice their lives over the years, they know 463 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 5: exactly what they want. It's very clear. Let me show 464 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 5: you you mentioned the price has been paid. This is 465 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 5: a book of me. You can see how thick it is. 466 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 5: It contains the names of twenty thousand and their pictures 467 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 5: of those who've been executed under the MOLO since nineteen 468 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 5: eighty one. This book actually was published in two thousand 469 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 5: and six. There are more volumes after that. I'm just 470 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 5: brought down to the example. We had all the health names, 471 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 5: particulars age, education, and many many pictures here of young 472 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 5: people who were killed, many of them students, high school students, 473 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 5: university students, many of my own friends in high school. 474 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 5: Actually their pictures are here. And when you have a 475 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 5: generation of people who stood up and sacrificed their lives, 476 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 5: you know, they all have family members, they all have relatives, 477 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 5: you know. In just in summer of nineteen eighty eight, 478 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 5: the regime, under the fatuax of the Supreme Vidia at 479 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 5: the time for any went after the main core of 480 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 5: the opposition known as the mk Kromeni in a fat 481 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 5: va said religious decree, said that anyone who is in 482 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 5: any way associated with MEK must be killed. The only 483 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 5: people that could catch at the time were prisoners, political prisoners, 484 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 5: none of whom were actually sentenced to death. Before so 485 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 5: many issued that fat vow, they formed what they called 486 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 5: death Commission. They interviewed every single political prisoner in Iran 487 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 5: at the time. They asked them just one question, what's 488 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 5: your position about them K And if they had said 489 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 5: anything favorable or remain loyal to them, they would send 490 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 5: them down the hallway and execute them right there. Thirty 491 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 5: thousand political prisoners were killed at the time. This was 492 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 5: all done silent in a secret way. Of course, later 493 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 5: on all of that was exposed and the world has 494 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 5: talked about it. The Yuan did a thorough invest litigation, 495 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 5: called it the crime against humanity and genocide. But the 496 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 5: goal for Romeni was to eliminate all of that, so 497 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 5: that would end any kind of opposition to the Mullas 498 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 5: to the country. You saw the young generation in the 499 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 5: streets of Iran who are one way or the other 500 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 5: related to those who were massacred in the eighties. In 501 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 5: eighty eight in the nineties by the Molas, the younger generation, 502 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 5: those who heard the stories of that, you know, these 503 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 5: people who gave their lives, they created a culture for 504 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 5: resisting oppression, for sacrificing for freedom, real freedom when people 505 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 5: would have their voice heard, a real genuine freedom in 506 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 5: a you know, against a theocracy repression like the Mulas 507 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 5: or the Shahs dictatorship. That's why I feel very, very 508 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 5: hopeful when you have genuine people, when you have organized 509 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 5: opposition built based on those people who sacrificed, knowing the 510 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 5: knowing where they're going, and then you have a platform, 511 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 5: you have women in the leadership who came out of 512 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 5: the you know, in opposition to the misogyny of the Mallas, 513 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 5: who have remained very committed. That's a tremendous sign and 514 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 5: indication that the future is so bright. And that's why 515 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 5: I feel very strongly that not only the Mullas will 516 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 5: be overthrown, but missus Rajavi has committed to a peaceful transition, 517 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 5: saying that you know, we're not fighting to just get 518 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 5: ourselves in power. 519 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, she said. 520 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 5: My goal at our movement goal is to transfer power 521 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 5: to the elected representatives of the people of Iran. In 522 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 5: her platform, she says that within six months after the 523 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 5: fall of the Mallus, there's going to be free and 524 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 5: fair elections leading to the formation of a National Constituent Assembly, 525 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 5: which would be representations of the people. And it is 526 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 5: that assembly that will determine the future course of the government, 527 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 5: what kind of government be formed, you know, all of 528 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 5: the things happening. So that's why you know, I think 529 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 5: this is the time that if the world focuses on 530 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 5: the solution, not just on the problem, realizing that there 531 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 5: is a solution for Iran, and that's the people I 532 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 5: run the organized existence and toyodo think about it for 533 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 5: a moment that a free Iran, a democratic Iran, What 534 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 5: a difference it will make in the whole region and 535 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 5: if not the rest of the world. How Iran will 536 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 5: become a source of peace and tranquility and you know, 537 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 5: a cooperation and tolerance with the rest of the world 538 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 5: rather than being the epicenter of war and terror. 539 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely, that could change. I mean, that would change. 540 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: The safety of the Middle East and the entire the 541 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: entire world. It would be a huge difference. And we 542 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: will keep following this because we know that you and 543 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: the NCRI are working very hard to make sure that 544 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: we do see a free and peaceful run at some point. 545 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: Ali Divars Day, Thank you so much for coming out today. 546 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 5: Thank you so much Toodor for the great job you're 547 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 5: doing to inform the American public about the realities on 548 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 5: the ground that there is a solution and there are 549 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 5: ways to tackle the problem. 550 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to be on your show. 551 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, I appreciate it, and thank you all for 552 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: tuning in to the Tutor Dixon podcast. 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