1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Protection of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: I'm Any Ries and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we're 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: talking about the Food of Hannibal. Yes we are. Yeah, 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: a very fun one. But I think it might be 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: the very first time I legitimately got nauseated researching an episode. 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: Uh same, Yeah, Um, so I kind of that to 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: look forward to. Yeah, I guess like minor content warning 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: in that we're talking about this horror television show that 9 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: is about murdering and eating people. So you know, if 10 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: that's not your cup of tea, Yeah, don't listen to 11 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: this one. It gets a little gruesome, it does, it does, 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: and I mean and obviously it is a television show. 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: It's a fictional television show. None of it's real. We 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: get deeply into exactly how not real the the food 15 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: is that they're serving on this show. But yeah, you know, yeah, 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: and I mean, I guess also spoiler alert. Oh yes, 17 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen this show almost ten years old, 18 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: but not quite so, yeah, if you if you mean 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: to see it. I don't think we're actually going to 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: get into too deep of spoilers, but they're they're there, 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: So if you if you don't want any. If you 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: don't want any at all, then definitely, um, wait until 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: you have just downloaded the series into your brain on 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: Netflix and then listen. Yes, I definitely doing the research 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: for this. I'm only on season one. I only started 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: watching this show because we were going to do this episode. UM. 27 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: So I'm like halfway through season one and reading up 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: about it, I was like, oh, that's is Oh I'm oh, 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm so spoiled. Oh heck, oh heck, dang it. Oh no, no, no, 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't you. It was it was all of these 31 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: other writers who assume that, you know, someone reading an 32 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: article about the series will have watched the series. So yeah, 33 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: that's a fair assumption, I suppose. But this has been 34 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: one of our most requested topics later I'm assuming because 35 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: it is. It's kind of new to Netflix. Yeah, it 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: was always this summer. I think maybe June popped up 37 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: on Netflix. So yeah, and it's also like Halloween times 38 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: spooky topic. I I watched it all and enjoyed it. 39 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: But it was very long. I mean very long, it 40 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: depends on your definition very long. It was probably um 41 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: and I remember very clearly the food scenes of food 42 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: look delicious, and I was so disturbed by it. And 43 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: I also remember very clearly and Lauren and I had 44 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: this conversation earlier, thinking how did this get on network television? Yeah? Yeah, 45 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: because it is really upsetting. It is a really like 46 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: psychologically and visually upsetting show. And yet we were we 47 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier and like, I don't like 48 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: Annie and I y'all may have garnered, like we watch 49 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: a lot of horror content. Um, it's like like essentially 50 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: like genre fiction is the only stuff that I consume 51 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: in My favorite is horror and supernatural horror and body horror. 52 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: And this show aked me out, like yeah, and it 53 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: aired on network television NBC. Yeah, this is I will say, 54 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: this is one of my biggest It makes me very 55 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: squeamish as it's meant to, but it's one of my 56 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: like things that horror. It just will get to me, 57 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: and I know it will. So it was every episode 58 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, and you know, good, good, 59 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: good for us, good for us. Cannibalism and really grizzly, 60 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: really sociopathic murder still upsets us. I think that's it's 61 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: probably a checkmark in our in our columns in terms 62 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: of we might want to get worried if it's that 63 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: goes Yeah right, yeah, I do want to throw in here. 64 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: When I was nine years old, I think the biggest 65 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: trouble I've ever gotten into. Well, no, I have two 66 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: really good stories for this, but one of the biggest 67 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: I ever got into for watching a movie with a 68 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: friend when we were at my grandparents house and my 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: grandparents at HBO, so like we would wait till everyone 70 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: was asleep and we would sneak out and watch HBO. 71 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: And I remember three am one night we watched Silence 72 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: of the Lambs and we both just had like a 73 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: week of horrific nightmares until we finally had to fess 74 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: up and we weren't allowed to see each other for weeks. 75 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: Rounded Oh no, you were nine, Yeah, I think my heck, yeah, 76 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: that's well a you shouldn't out have watched that movie 77 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: when you are nine, No wonder you had horrific nightmares. 78 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Um I was. I was about that age, like a 79 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: little bit younger when I uh, when I watched one 80 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: of the Freddie movies, one of the Nightmare on elm 81 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: Street movies, um, like without my parents full permission, and 82 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: I similarly like it's not that I had nightmares, because 83 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: I straight refused to sleep for like three days. I mean, 84 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: that's what that movie is all about, right, everyone, seven 85 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: year old Lauren had an interesting time. Um but I 86 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: I saw I saw the film. I don't think I 87 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: would have seen Silence of the Lambs in a theater. 88 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: I was a little bit too young, but um but 89 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: I did see it later when it came out on 90 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: on on video or TV UM, and very much enjoyed 91 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: it when I was in middle school. And that's also 92 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: when I started reading the books. But anyway, I think 93 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: that this brings us to our question, Sure, the food 94 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: of Hannibal? What is it? It's probably people. Great question. 95 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: The food of Hannibal is likely people. Um. But okay, okay, 96 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: um Hannibal UM if you didn't know and are very 97 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: confused at this juncture. UM is a television series that 98 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: debuted in from this creative team headed up by one 99 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: Brian Fuller, who's the guy behind some other like really weird, 100 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: excellent morbid television series UM like a dead like me 101 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: and wonderful and pushing daisies and American gods. He's done 102 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: stints on heroes and Star Trek kind of here and there. 103 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: He's also he's famous and or infamous for doing these 104 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: really weird shows, but also famous and or infamous for 105 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: um leaving those shows or those shows being canceled before 106 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: their time. Hannibal similarly ran for three seasons and then yes, 107 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: was canceled. Um Fuller has said that he had he 108 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: I think he pitched like a full seven seasons to 109 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: begin with. He has like at least three more that 110 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: he kind of has planned and fans and I believe 111 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: the whole creative team, UM really do hope that it 112 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: will come back someday. But oh, that's interesting. I wonder 113 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: if they don't want to spoil anything. But the final episode, 114 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: the ending, I was like, yeah, it's so. I wonder 115 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: if they did that knowing it was canceled. I think 116 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: they did. Yeah, there was something else planned, and how 117 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: they would come back from that. Um, he's he's talked 118 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about it, and I'll throw in that 119 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: at the end. UM. But but yeah, so um so. 120 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: The story of Hannibal UM is the story set in 121 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: the world of Dr Hannibal Lecter, the the infamous fictional 122 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: psychologist turned serial killer slash Cannibal. UM. We all know 123 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: those people try to keep them out of your life, 124 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: but you know, you know, um, they're just so charming 125 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: they always come there. Um, most of us, most most 126 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: of us, like Annie and I were, UM were introduced 127 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: to Dr Lector in UM The Silence of the Lambs, 128 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: which is a novel that was written and then adapted 129 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: into this just gorgeous upsetting film with us Sir Anthony 130 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: Hopkins playing Lecter opposite Jodie Foster playing Clarice Starling who's 131 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: this FBI UH psychological profile trainee. And Hopkins and Foster 132 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: both want oscars for their portrayals alongside Like It one 133 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: Best Picture and Director UM Jonathan dem and Best Adapted Screenplay, 134 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: all of which I mentioned to say that, like, this 135 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: movie was a big deal and and it really catapulted 136 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: this property and this villain in Dr Elector in particular, 137 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: into the public mind. UM. Now in the film, um 138 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Lector has already been caught and imprisoned for his crimes, 139 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: and Foster's character Clarice is going to him for advice 140 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: on this new string of murders that's occurring. And and 141 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: the story is actually a sequel to a story first 142 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: written as a novel published one by the name of 143 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: Red Dragon, in which another different FBI profiler, one Will Graham, 144 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: turns to the imprisoned Elector for help Um and now 145 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: Graham is the one who caught Lector prior to the 146 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: events of Red Dragon. Um. And after the success of 147 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: the movie Silence of the Lambs, the author of these books, 148 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: Thomas Harris, wrote another sequel called hannibal Um, which further 149 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: explores Lector in Starling's relationship, and then a prequel called 150 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: Hannibal Rising, which explores Lector's youth. Um. And if you 151 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: heard some bells ringing in the background, that's because my 152 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: cat is on my lap now, because he decided to 153 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: join in for the cannibalism times. He was like, yeah, yeah, 154 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:04,119 Speaker 1: weird stuff. Cool. He's a fluzzy little murderer. Uh anyway. 155 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: Uh So so that the TV series hannibal Um is 156 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: set in between Hannibal Rising and Red Dragon, and it 157 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: explores this relationship between Will Graham Um played in the 158 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: show by Hugh Dancy, and Dr Lecter played by Mad's 159 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Michelson Um in the time before Graham has figured out 160 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: that Lecter is you know, like killing and eating people 161 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes feeding those people too well, Graham Yeah, and 162 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: lots of other FBI related humans. Yeah, yep, um yeah, 163 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: so yeah that eating people part. Um, we're a food 164 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: show ostensibly. Um, I've never been more worried to say 165 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: that in an episode in my life Hard, same friend, 166 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: Hard same okay. So so yeah, so that. The thing 167 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: about Hannibal Lecter that that makes him such a compelling 168 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: character is that he's he's very urbane, very refined and 169 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: in his speech and manners and style and taste, if 170 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: you'll forgive the the pun. Um uh, he's very well educated, 171 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: very smart, he's meticulous. Um he's a lot of these 172 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: things that we as a society hold up as being 173 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: like venerably civilized, you know. Um and he has no 174 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: regard for human life um and and for these basic 175 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: tenants of civilization, like like we don't eat people. Um so, 176 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: so you know, like a key and creepy. Part of 177 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: this character is that he doesn't just kill someone and 178 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: take a chomp. He he butchers them, and he uses 179 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: their flesh and their organs to prepare these ornate delicacies 180 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: um with with distinct elements of like hot cuisine or 181 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: novel cuisine. Um and and Lecter talks about this. In 182 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs, there's that there's that famous line 183 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: A census taker once tried to test me I ate 184 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: his liver with some father beans and a nice candy. 185 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: But we don't see it on film until the sequel Hannibal, 186 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: and really disturbing scene different that's that's not gonna get 187 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: into it here. But one of the one of the 188 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: really interesting and remarkable things about the television series is 189 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: that like, you know, like it's it's set in the 190 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: modern day. Um, it's not a it's not a period piece. 191 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: Um and and we both the viewers and the creators 192 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: of the show, you know, like have had decades of 193 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: food photography and film culture that borders on pornographic um, 194 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: like the sumptuously plated and lit and filmed uh plates 195 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: of food. And like, you know, Thomas Harris writing these 196 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: books certainly back in one but um but even the 197 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: sequels ranging into the early two thousand's, like he could 198 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: have had no idea what food television and Instagram was 199 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: going to do to the presentation of food and the 200 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: presentation of chefs. Um. And so Hannibal the series is 201 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: interesting because it takes all of that and shows us Lector, 202 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: the chef beautifully preparing these beautiful dishes. Um, and you 203 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: just never know whether those cuts of meat that he's 204 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: working with are from humans or not. Nope. This reminds 205 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: me of another I didn't I forgot about this, but 206 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I got like a 207 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: really bad stomach flu and at the time we didn't 208 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: have cable, but for some weird like week we got 209 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: cable for free. Happened to be when I was homesick, 210 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, you know what I'm 211 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm just gonna leave on the Sci Fi channel, 212 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: perfect timing for illness. And I guess it was like 213 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: flesh eating week because I watched uh Cabin Fever first 214 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: and then Hannibal, and I remember just being like, what 215 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: was the remote thing to get it? Just feeling so 216 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: awful and grossed up. And I have not seen either 217 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: of those sense, and I doubt I will watch them 218 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: ever again. Oh wow, that's understand that that scene. Oh gosh, 219 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: a spoiler for the film Hannibal. Um. There's a scene 220 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: where Dr Lecter serves, is it really ota? Something like that? 221 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: His his own brain, like while he's still alive and 222 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: in his head's like kind of you could see his 223 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: brain and yeah, it's like it's I remember at the 224 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: time thinking that it was a really good special effect. 225 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if it would hold up because I 226 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: have not rewatched that film, but well, it was enough 227 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: for high school me to be like, never again. But 228 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: let's talk about who made these beautiful, delicious looking dishes. Yeah, 229 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: for the for the TV series, because they are they 230 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: are so gorgeous. Yes, so the shows that food silence 231 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: was Jamspoon, who would write these detailed post on the 232 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: show's food after every episode on her blog Feeding Hannibal, 233 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: and she later released a cookbook under the same name. 234 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: I know, I want to check it out so badly. 235 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Part of the horror of the show is that these 236 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: dishes do, in fact look delicious, despite the fact that 237 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: they are often made from human parts, or we're left 238 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: to assume that they are um and sometimes fed to 239 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: the human they came from, or to unsuspecting humans at large. 240 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: By making you salivate our desire to try these dishes, you, 241 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: the viewer, feels complicit in Hannibal's monstrosities. Um. Yeah, most 242 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: of his dinner guests are completely unaware of what they're 243 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: really eating. Of course they are, which is a horror 244 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: in itself. Can we truly ever know for sure what's 245 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: in some of the foods that we eat? I mean, 246 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: that's that's been something that's plagued us forever. Sure, but 247 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean usually not to this horror level, right, But 248 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, I know, And yes, the show at times 249 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: feels like a cooking show. Um. According to one of 250 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: the producers and writers, Nick and Tasca, we admire great chefs, 251 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: and this version of Hannibal Lecter is the greatest chef 252 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: in the world. Yep. And guess what they had one 253 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: of the greatest chefs in the world behind Jose Andre's. 254 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: He served as the show's culinary consultant. When asked about 255 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: his role, he wrote, my input is mainly about how 256 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: Hannibal would cook a certain body part, and I have 257 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: to think of something that would look appetizing once it's cooked. 258 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: And also it was the cutest thing. Sometimes he would 259 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: tweet after well I don't know if tweet, but he 260 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: would write something up about after an episode of Public 261 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: and to be like, well, I'm salivating now, so I 262 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: guess I did a good job, yep. Um, And all 263 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: the episode titles are food related and specific to that episode. 264 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: In the first season, each episode was named after a 265 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: thirteen course French menu, serving as a structure for Hannibal's murders, 266 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: but also the season arc, which I thought was very clever. 267 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah, yeah, and the second and third season's 268 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: use um, Japanese and Italian terminology to name their episodes. 269 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: It's so good it is and every dish in the 270 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: show tells the story. There's a mood, it propels the 271 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: action forward, it pretends something coming in the future. These 272 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: dishes are disturbing but also plot important. The food has 273 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: been described as one of the characters, Whon has been 274 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: quoted as saying she has to navigate quote that liminal 275 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: space between being seduced and being repulsed. M hm and yeah. 276 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: This particularly resonates during our time of food porn and 277 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: foodie culture at large. She deliberately plays with things like tripophobia, 278 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: which is fear of holes, to make people afraid that 279 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: quote something alien has been implanted while we were sleeping, 280 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: and she during this article I was reading. When she 281 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: said that she showed an example, I was like, yeah, 282 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: bomb unsettled, I'm settled. Yep. Oh boy, worked congrats yea. 283 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: She grew up in a small town and her family 284 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: was involved in the restaurant world. UM. In her words, 285 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: she grew up exposed to FO. She would help preparation 286 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: before she went to school, and because of that, she 287 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: absolutely didn't want anything to do with food, nothing in 288 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: her work life. So she went to art school and 289 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: became an art director, and through that she went into advertising, 290 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: and some of her top accounts were these behemoth companies 291 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: in the food realm like McDonald's, entering that she had 292 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: her first brush with food styling. Eventually, she left advertising 293 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: and started freelancing as an artist and food stylist. But 294 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: she was working on a children's book when she got 295 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: called up to work on Hannibal. I love it yep 296 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: on her first dance set, It's great. You should read 297 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: interviews with her because she describes really not knowing what 298 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: she was getting into UM. And she showed up with 299 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: these four pig lungs she had, like a bruised one 300 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: and a pretty pink one, and she and other crew 301 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: members discussed how a character like Hannibal would go about 302 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: preparing it. Um punas described these dishes Hannibal makes as 303 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: a gift from the devil. He's gifting you with continued 304 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: life by not killing you and by enjoying these elaborate 305 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: meals of luxury, meals that characters enjoy without knowing or 306 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: asking often the cost. He's inviting you to join, to 307 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: come to the dark side. Oh yeah. And that's a 308 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: that's a really huge, like overarching theme um in these 309 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: in these books and films. Um. I think, really really 310 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: effectively done. Um in in the in the book Hannibal, 311 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: um the sequel in which I by the end of 312 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: that book, y'all, if you haven't read it, it's really interesting. 313 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: By the end of the book, I realized that I 314 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: was completely rooting for Hannibal and not not for Clarice, 315 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, welp here, we are cool. I'll 316 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: never think about this again. Um. But but also very 317 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: effectively in this show, because he's just so dynamic and 318 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: compelling and I oh man, anyway, anyway, anyway, Yeah, And 319 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: there is a level of trust between cook and consumer. 320 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: There's this level of intimacy Almo, and to have that 321 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: betrayed is very frightening and unsettling, and to have it 322 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: like unknowingly right again, there is a lot of ust 323 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: in this show, which if you don't know, is Unresolved 324 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: Sexual tension. It's one of my favorite fan fiction terms 325 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: because I think it's useful. But yeah, it's almost that 326 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: like sensuality of how these dishes are presented and how 327 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: they're prepared, and it's just sure hanging over everything, and 328 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: it gets more and more pronounced as it goes on. Yeah. Yeah, 329 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: And Brian Fuller has talked about that because the the 330 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: the Unresolved Sexual Tension is between um Will Graham and 331 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter and uh and and Brian Brian Fuller is 332 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: a is a gay man as well, and I think 333 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: he did this extremely intentionally, and um was was really 334 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: trying to to to play with these themes of of 335 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: of what what people do when when they're when they're 336 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: in the society that isn't accepting them. And I mean, 337 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, obviously not a parallel Like right, eating people 338 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: and like wanting to love who you love are are 339 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: two very very very separate issues. I'd say they're on 340 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: the opposite side. Yeah, they're not even on the same spectrum. 341 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: That's two different spectrums. But but but no, but but 342 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think that that he is using using 343 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: these these parallels between these characters to explore an unorthodox 344 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: um type of of loving relationship um and and too, 345 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: and to explore it through through two dudes in a 346 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: homosexual relationship, which we should be seeing more of on 347 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: screen because because they exist, and those stories are important 348 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: even when they involve killing and eating people. Well yeah, 349 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you just gotta up the drama if it's 350 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: on the television. But you know that's TV always going 351 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: to throw a cannibal in their jes television. I was 352 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: thinking about this, how and a lot of hard depiction 353 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: of spells. You need a piece of someone's body, usually hair, fingernails, 354 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: that you ingest, and then they become a part of 355 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: you or you have some sort of power over them. Um. 356 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: And then I was thinking about how grossed out we 357 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: get if we find a hair in our food, even 358 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: has our own hair. And a lot of episodes we've done, 359 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: we've discussed foods that were meant to symbolize the bodies 360 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: of enemy and you would eat them to show your 361 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: power over them. Yeah. Yeah, And apparently this is something 362 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: that's really stuck with me because I wrote this horror 363 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: short called Red Velvet, and you can check it out 364 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: on the podcast Thirteen Days of Halloween, which should be 365 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: out soon ish. When you're listening to this, Yeah, yeah, 366 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: I think the I think the trailer is supposed to 367 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: drop this Monday. The I don't know what days are anymore, twelve, Yeah, 368 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: and then it should it should start coming in out 369 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: thirteen days before Halloween hypothetically. Yeah. And the one I 370 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: wrote very much plays into this. The description I gave 371 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: the producers, which they were the sweetest and we're very 372 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: patient with me, was while preparing for a party and 373 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: attempting to think of a fun fact. Stress causes a 374 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: cupcake malfunction. Icebreakers are the real horror ema, right, and 375 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: they went with it. Yes. Uh. Side note, y'all, do 376 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: please check out that series. It's a it's a it's 377 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: a horror anthology series. We're all really excited about it 378 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: around here. I may or may not have a piece 379 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: in it. I'm not sure, but those are happening very quickly. 380 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: They are moving. Um. If I do minds about the 381 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: gut microbiome, of course it is because of course it 382 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: is because bacteria poop. And do you all really think 383 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: that I would have written a horror short that didn't 384 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: involve bacteria poop being evil. Yeah, I love that both 385 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: of us did like food and jac of course, of 386 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: course we did. I did not write that piece about 387 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: about haunted salt and pepper shakers. So I'm sorry. We 388 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: can we can work on that though. Okay, we can 389 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: do that on here. Okay, alright, alright, alright, back to Hannibal. 390 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: Back to Hannibal, and back to this idea of like food, right, 391 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: power it holds over us. Meanwhile, you have you have 392 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: something like communion, where it's the wholly offering the body 393 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ, the blood of Jesus Christ um, or 394 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: ritualistic family meals that have the power of connecting us 395 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: over shared experience and memories. And that theme of family 396 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: one that you make versus one that you were born 397 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: into um and how food plays a role in that 398 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: runs throughout this series. In Freud wrote that the act 399 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: of eating human meat is an act where in that 400 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: person quote is assimilated by eating and is in that 401 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: way annihilated. And that's sort of the dichotomy of Hannibal. 402 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: He's both the brutish predator and a man of yes, 403 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: very fine taste. Again, he chooses his Victims Carefully is 404 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: also a commentary on the convenience of consumer culture today, 405 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: which allows us to really separate ourselves from the often 406 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: not so pleasant stories and uh, perhaps a downright disturbing 407 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: way that our food gets to us. Yeah, and on 408 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: top of that, there is this layer of classism. Food 409 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: is both something we need to survive in something that 410 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: signifies class Hannibal is the most cultured and stylized person 411 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: on this show. The other characters trust him to be 412 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: the arbiter of taste. No one wants to admit. They 413 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you what lamb heart tastes like. It's weaponized classisum. 414 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 1: If he has served me a plate, he's like, this 415 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: is lamb heart. It's so rare, so pricing. I'd be like, 416 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: oh yes, I'll absolutely try it, and I wouldn't know 417 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: what it tastes like. I wouldn't know, oh this is 418 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: human heart, yeah, or or you know, you would do 419 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: that thing where um you know, like like they say 420 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: in tastings, if you suggest um through through written copy 421 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: or through speech like oh yeah, this wine is going 422 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: to have notes of of of earth and whatever and whatever. Um, 423 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: it's it's very we're very impressionable. And so if you say, hey, 424 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: this is a lamb and you know what, you know 425 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: basically what lamb tastes like, but maybe you've never had 426 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: like a lamb tongue. Yeah, you're just gonna go, oh, sure, yeah, 427 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: I taste lamb and that Yeah, that's absolutely yeah. And 428 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, despite maybe the characters in this show they 429 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: were looking for a cannibal, in my general life, I'm 430 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: never gonna say, oh, what if this is human? Um, 431 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: unless there is a cannibal on the loose in my mind, yeah, 432 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: I've never thought that when you or anyone else has 433 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: has served me a plate of food, yes, yes, me either. 434 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: Perhaps we should I don't know if I want to 435 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: live that way or no. I'm just gonna eat, eat, 436 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: eat it. And you were doing the thing that he 437 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: plays on. Let go and let god. Well, we have 438 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot more interesting, slash disturbing stuff to share with you, 439 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: but first, do we have a quick break for a 440 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: word from her sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 441 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: thank you. So a lot of the food in the 442 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: show used in particularly the dinner scenes, because a lot 443 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: of episodes end on this kind of epic dinner scene. Sure, sure, 444 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: these foods aren't actually organs. They're not actually meat yet. Yeah. 445 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: And and a lot of the dishes that Hannibal serves 446 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: are are awful. Are lungs or brains, are hardens or 447 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: testicles or tongues or etcetera. Right, um, But in actuality 448 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: in the in the real world, as they say, um, 449 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: they are not those things. This is both because they 450 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: would spoil and the actors might not be comfortable eating 451 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: an animal's tongue over multiple takes. I will say most 452 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: of them seemed pretty down to try things. But it's 453 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: one thing to like try it and then like eight 454 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: takes later, you might feel a little differently. Yeah, So 455 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: the food has to function on at least three levels. 456 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: The example Poon gave to g Q is this, If 457 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: Hannibal claims something is Lambs tongue, we the audience understand 458 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: it is most likely human tongue, so it has to 459 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: look a little like both while being neither. Poon calls 460 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: her process hannibalized. Yeah. I know. According to her, everything 461 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: is edible and a lot of consideration has gone into 462 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: what she served. Not only does it have to look 463 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: good right right right um? Often human like, um, but 464 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: also not quite humanlike. She strives to make it actually 465 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: taste good, to make it easier the actors to act 466 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: when a lot of these things do require them to eat. Uh. 467 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: And it has to be something that doesn't require a 468 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: lot of chewing because that would mess with lines. Yeah. 469 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: And of course spoiling and food safety are always concerned. 470 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: So that's just all these things going on. Yeah, and 471 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: that's in addition to the actor's dietary restraints because um 472 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: she she talks in her blog about how you know 473 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: a lot of um, a lot of humans in Hollywood 474 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: are fearing towards veganism these days. Um A lots of 475 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: people are watching their gluten other stuff like that. So, yeah, 476 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,239 Speaker 1: they have to be physically able to eat it. She 477 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: prefers them to enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's 478 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: only one instance where people really didn't, and we'll talk 479 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: about that a little bit later. She shared a story 480 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: about how some of her meat substitutes looks so much 481 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: like meat that one vegan actor wouldn't even eat it. Yeah. 482 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: In interviews, though, the actors claim the food usually taste 483 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: as good as it looks. Uh. And there's a running 484 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: joke that actor Laurence Fish Fern's character Jack Crawford is 485 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: almost always the one that has to eat the dishes 486 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: and comments on them in the show Good Are Bad. 487 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: Hun has also said that Mad Nicholson quote does his 488 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: own stunts, which I love in the kitchen and is 489 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: a quick study. Oh he's great. He like, like, what 490 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 1: a what a job to step into a role that 491 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins just just knocked so far out of the park. Um, 492 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's a different sort of take 493 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: on the character. But but yeah, I know he does 494 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: a really great job. And I find it he had 495 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: a career in dance before he was an actor, Mads 496 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: Nicholson and um, and that that level of like comfort, 497 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: um and control in movement work really really shows on 498 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: on this show. Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know, I 499 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: suppose we've gotten a little we've sprawled away from our 500 00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: usual structure beats. What about the nutrition, Uh okay, we 501 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: can move on. A lot of fat. Looks like it's 502 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: used a lot of Yeah, a lot of a lot 503 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: of the dishes are very rich. There's a lot of 504 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 1: heavy sauces. Um, there's a lot of pastry. As I 505 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: mostly joked once on the internet. Um, you know, cook 506 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: the rich to a safe temperature. That's probably uh, you know, 507 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: but like fahrenheit if you're going by pork standards. Well, 508 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: there you go. You know, we're one day we're going 509 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: to do an actual episode on cannibalism, So maybe we will. 510 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: That's gonna be long time from now. Yeah, it's gonna 511 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: be a whole week when that happens. But at didn't rate. 512 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: Umh we do have a number for you. I have 513 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: two numbers. Oh huh, I just height. This show is 514 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: getting like two point five to three mill and views 515 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: per week. But it was when it was canceled, a 516 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: lot of people were very upset. It had a very 517 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: dedicated fan base called Fannibals, and after the show was canceled, 518 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: there was a petition to save the show that received 519 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: over thirty two thousand signatures. Yeah yeah, um, history wise, 520 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean again, we'll come back and do a whole 521 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: episode later. Yeah. What an odd job we have sometimes 522 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: it just strikes me. Um. But also I mean this Jannispoon, 523 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: the style of food styles on this show. What a job. Uh. 524 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: And much of the inspiration for Hannibals dishes, she says 525 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: stemmed from historical dishes and cooking practices around the world, 526 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: and in particular seventeen century Dutch chefs and meals depicted 527 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: in the art of the time, and these scenes in 528 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: Hannibal when the meal is presented do feel like tableaus. 529 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: Poon has also cited Salvador Dolly as an inspiration, as 530 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: well as literary works like Dante's Inferno Love It I know, 531 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: and yes, not all the dishes on the show have 532 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: human in them, I say with a question more hypothetically. Hypothetically, 533 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: there was an aspect with an infinity loop of pickled anchovies, 534 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: and this is the one, This is the one that 535 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: the actors remembers being pretty grissy. They immediately like spit 536 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: it out like children. Um and Poon describes it as 537 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: their least favorite to work on, but also one of 538 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: the most rewarding because of that, I was just so 539 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: afraid it was gonna like collapse. Oh yeah, No, aspect 540 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: is very difficult, so especially for for for camera. I'm 541 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: sure that the temperature of the I mean, even with 542 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: L A. D S. You know, you don't have to 543 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: worry as hard about lights anymore. But um, but still, yeah, challenge, 544 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: what a challenge. There was also trout that was artistically 545 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: dish to appear as if they were regurgitating their own tails. 546 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: Uh huh. Roasted lamb where the rib bones were positioned 547 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: to resemble praying hands, Oh my gosh, ultimately called the 548 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: sacrificial lamb, are the steeple of ribs. There are plenty 549 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: of dishes where we the audience are left in the 550 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: dark about the meat being served. I would say almost 551 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: all of them are like that. When Hannibal claims something 552 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: is sausage, we really have no proof what kind of sausage? Nope, nope, 553 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: it's it's clear, Like I think about twice, it's like, 554 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: really explicitly clear. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And we'll get 555 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: into those in a second. It really messes with your head. 556 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: Even me classifying these few dishes is possibly not having 557 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: any human in them makes me nervous because I can't 558 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: I can't for sure stuff. I do think there are 559 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: a few dishes sands human. I believe it in my heart, 560 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: and I don't know which ones they are. Uh, and 561 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: we do have a few specific examples um throughout the show. 562 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: These dishes are beautiful and enticing, and as Hannibal warns 563 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: in one episode, nothing here is vegetarian. So again to 564 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: say there are things like mushroom and spinach stuffed cow heart. 565 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: I hope you can hear the heavy quotes because it's 566 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: actually the heart of a doctor who is rude. Annibal 567 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: never do that, No, not asabuco made from the calf 568 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: of a serial killer. I remember that scene that looks 569 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: so good, Like it looks so good, I'm like upset 570 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: by how good it looked. Porkline with red fruit Cumberland sauce, 571 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: which is all in quotes because blood might be involved 572 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 1: in that one. Um sanguinaccio dolce, which was a putting 573 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: made out of chocolate, and the quote blood of a 574 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: local cow, which I believe were meant to interpret as 575 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: a woman that annoyed him. Um a sacramentte omelet, complete 576 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: with mysterious sweetbreads and strips of meat boudou noir are 577 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: French blood, sausage and steak and kidney pie. We can 578 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: all guess what the kidney is. Um. One of the 579 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: most upsetting examples of Coon's work has to be from 580 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: season three. The premier season three, when Hannibal serves a 581 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: human thigh which was wrapped in a leaf and slow 582 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: roasted in clay pot, complete with snails and skewers of 583 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: sugarcane to the human decigh once belonged to. Yep, yeah 584 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: that's Eddie Iszard I believe is that character. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 585 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: that's one of the spoilers that I received. And yeah 586 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: it's okay, it's no problem, no problem, and yeah, and 587 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: apparently his character is just like yeah, sure, it's like, 588 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: you know, I'm curious. And this dish was inspired by 589 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: the Chinese dish of candied pork. Belly Poon calls this 590 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: creation pinhead the sin of Bite from Hail Raiser, Oh 591 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: I love it. Another infamous meal came from the series 592 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: finale Badelia, played by Jillian Anderson. Her leg gets roasted 593 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: and then wrapped in leaves and surrounded by bright pops 594 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: of color from chrocoal, fruits, and flowers as well as 595 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: coal and I meant to symbolize Dante's Inferno and the 596 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: nine circles of Hell. She also was I don't know 597 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: if chill is the word I would use, because she's 598 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: just kind of like really hides her emotions. She knew 599 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: this was going down, and she seemed kind of like, well, well, 600 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: Hannibal Hannibal. I guess I guess I should have known 601 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: all along, huh I was his psychologist? Yeah? Whoops, indeed 602 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: that's a be big oops. That's a yep. Um. And 603 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: so we do have a few miscellaneous things here. At 604 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: the end, British chef James Tomlinson combined together mince pork, 605 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: mincefield and minced bone marriage to create a burger that was, 606 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: according to him, the closest you could get to eating 607 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: human flesh without really eating it. Cool. I'm I'm just 608 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why one would do that, uh I, Yeah, 609 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: questions have arisen to my mind. Well, you know, okay, great, good, 610 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: good for him. Um, jeez, I'm like more upset about 611 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: that that I am about like the rest of this. 612 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, at least that's fictional, Like this guy's running 613 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: around in the real world. What's he up to anyway? Um, 614 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's perfectly nice and has a lovely sense 615 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: of humor. Yeah. So, so I guess I guess A big, 616 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,439 Speaker 1: a big question here, um is you know, aside from 617 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: is the meat human is will the show come back? Um? 618 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: And there is a lot of buzz about it, um 619 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: since the series is up on on Netflix pretty recently. 620 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: UM and you know, since since the show was was 621 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: canceled anyway, UM Fuller has said that he was was 622 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: waiting to try to option it to um to, to 623 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: a streaming service or or another network. He was waiting 624 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: UM for some of the rights two characters seen in 625 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: the films to revert to the film's producers before he 626 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: started entering talks about a season four. UM that that 627 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: that reversion happened in August of seventeen. Unfortunately since then, 628 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: UM or unfortunately for Fuller and the series Hannibal, since then, 629 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: UM CBS obtained the rights to Larry Starling's character for 630 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: a TV series that they're planning. UM and they say 631 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: doesn't need to involve the character of Hannibal Lecter And 632 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure any's you know, that's up to them. 633 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: So she could not as of now anyway, UM appear 634 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: in future Hannibal seasons. But UM, but yeah, he he 635 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: said that he has some plans for it. He's said that, 636 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, like the actors and the executive producer are 637 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: into it. He's talked about UM bringing it back as 638 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: like a couple of mini series maybe and so uh 639 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: and it sounds like, um, he's He's said that some 640 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 1: of his inspirations that one of his biggest inspirations for 641 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: the show was the work of David Lynch Um and 642 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: stuff like twin Peaks, and so you know, I I 643 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: could I could see, knowing what I know about the 644 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: way that the show ends, I could I could see 645 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: him doing something really extra dreamlike and weird for future 646 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: mini series. But um, but yeah, he says that he 647 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: really wants to explore that relationship ship between between Dr 648 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: Lecter and UH and Mr Graham and so you know, 649 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: I I hope I hope that he gets to do 650 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: it because I'm real curious now and I really want 651 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: to see more of Poon's work in in this particular avenue. 652 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: She and she works on a lot of different projects. Um, 653 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: basically wherever she she does a lot of work. So 654 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,280 Speaker 1: certainly anything like if you ever see someone eating brains 655 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: on said, like, there's a decent chance that she was involved. Um, 656 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: but especially like elevated brains, like if you've got like 657 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: a brain taco or something like that, you know, not 658 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: just like piles of brains. But yeah, I don't know, um, 659 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, and I really recommend checking out her blog. 660 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: It is so beautiful. She goes into so much detail 661 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: about how she achieved different things and and has all 662 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: of these behind the scene photos and stories. It's really cool. Yeah. 663 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: And my ends me of when we had v Kelly 664 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: on the show to talk about special effects. Yeah. Yeah, 665 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: it's really a delight to hear her right and talk 666 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: about these gruesome things, but in such an upbeat manner, 667 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: just so excited. And if any of this is uh 668 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 1: sounded appetizing to you has a wetter appetite, I would 669 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: recommend checking out show. It is very it is very 670 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: uh m a t v m A. Yes, it's really upsetting. 671 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like we said, we watch a lot of 672 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: horror and it unsettled me for sure. Yeah. Um. And 673 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff we didn't touch on just 674 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: because it's like perhaps too short to go into too 675 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: much detail. But there are things like growing mushrooms out 676 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: of bodies, or like taking out a liver and replacing 677 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: another liver. There's a lot going on and there perhaps 678 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: that's obvious, but oh, one more, one more thing that 679 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: I did want to touch on though, is Dr Lecter 680 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: has a very refined or specific, perhaps sense of humor. 681 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: And so at these dinner parties, there's like there's like 682 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: a seventy nine percent chance that he's going to drop 683 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: some kind of pun that you know that he is 684 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: cracking up internally about one of the one of the 685 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: recent episodes I watched, what was it um, It is 686 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: so lovely to have friends for dinner? Yes, Yes, And 687 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: and later on that really gets amplified because like he's 688 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: like toying with these FBAI agents that are looking for 689 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: him but having dinner with him, not realizing and at 690 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: some point, like Jack and Will are trying to they 691 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: think it's him and they're trying to like lure them out, 692 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 1: so they're doing puns too. They're having like a weird 693 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: subtle chance cut off and you're like, whoa, what a 694 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: strange situation. That's be a full Yeah, so you have 695 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: that to look forward to. M hmm. But in the meantime, 696 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: I guess we should wrap up this discussion of Hannibal 697 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 1: the Cannibal for now. We should and had to Thomas 698 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 1: Harris for naming the most famous fictional cannibal of our 699 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: time something that rhymed with cannibal a lot, but thank you. 700 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: Uh so, yes, we do have some listener mail for you, 701 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: but first we've got one more quick break for a 702 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: word from your sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 703 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: thank you, and we're back with Scary Vida. Or later wrote, 704 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: I just listened to your Go To Chong podcast and 705 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 1: I'm actually writing a response to the first listener mail 706 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: where you mentioned eating or drinking unexpected things. I immediately 707 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,800 Speaker 1: thought of a classic family story. My grandma's favorite drink 708 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,839 Speaker 1: is a martini. For some background of how she makes them, 709 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: she uses bottom shelf vodka and the smallest flash of 710 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,479 Speaker 1: giramouth all over ice. When she would visit. We didn't 711 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: have any special cups for mixed drinks or anything, so 712 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,800 Speaker 1: she would just make them in her regular water glasses. 713 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: One time, my grandma made herself with martini and said 714 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: it at my brother's place at the table. He about 715 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 1: ten years old at the time, thought someone very kindly 716 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: had poured him a glass of ice water for dinner 717 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 1: and took a big swig. The look on his face 718 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: was priceless. My grandma just celebrated her ninetieth birthday in August, 719 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: and my dad shared the story once again with everyone 720 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: on the family Zoom call. My brother didn't have video on, 721 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: but I could hear him rolling his eyes. He's now 722 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: twenty nine. I mean that's got to be a big 723 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: shock for a ten year old. For sure, that would 724 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 1: be a big shocks me. So that is hoof, hoof. 725 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I'm glad you all got to 726 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: salary over soon. That's great. Oh yeah yeah, and happy 727 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: birthday to your grandma. Um stuff wrote I immediately had 728 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,240 Speaker 1: to write in after your yatzin episode mar Martz marts 729 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: Marge nikes. I still can't mattson I think anyway. I 730 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: couldn't believe you didn't mention my hometown, the land of 731 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: october Fest, Kitchener, Ontario. It holds the second largest october 732 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: Fest in the world. Why, you might reasonably ask, Kitchener 733 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 1: was founded by German and particularly Mennonite settlers, and continues 734 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: to be a hub of German Canadian heritage. In fact, 735 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 1: the town was originally called Berlin, Ontario, but changed the 736 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,399 Speaker 1: name to Kitchener during World War One because the city 737 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,959 Speaker 1: worried no one would want to buy anything made in Berlin. Now, 738 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 1: knowing more about Earl Kitchener, I'm not so sure they 739 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: made the right choice, but Anyway, I have many fond 740 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: memories of eating schnitzel and spaitzel to the tune of 741 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: the Chicken Dance throughout my childhood as a university student. Well, 742 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: let's just say the memories are hazier. I am sure 743 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: I had a great time, Sure you did too. And 744 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: I love this. I love that the second Larngest October 745 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: West Celebration is in Ontario, Canada. Yes, why not? Oh 746 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: I that's that's great and I hope that I'm saying 747 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: Kitchener correctly. I A lot of listeners have written about 748 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: going to october Fest, various october Fest and you'll be 749 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: hearing lots of those coming up. And it looks like 750 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: a blast. It really really does. So thanks for that, 751 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for sending those sending pictures always, yes, and thanks 752 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: to both of these listeners for writing too us. If 753 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: you would like to write to as you can, our 754 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: email is Hello at savor pod dot com. You can 755 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: also find us on social media. We are at savor 756 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: Pod on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. Yes, that's the third one. 757 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: We do hope to hear from you. Savor is production 758 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio. For more podcasts to my Heart Radio, 759 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: you can visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 760 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Thanks so much, 761 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: Toy superproducers Dylan Fagin and Andrew Howard. Thanks to you 762 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: for listening, and we hope that lots of par good 763 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: things are coming your way.