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Speaker 1: out what, if anything, what bearing that may have on

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Speaker 1: high profile a lawyer at FIST lawyer joining us out

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Speaker 1: of LA he's been slating lawyers. Doctor Sherry Swards, forensics psychologist,

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Speaker 1: Matt is the Star morning show host of The Matt

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Speaker 1: Murdoch Family Murders. Matt, this story gets more and more convoluted,

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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton joining me, high profile defense while you're out

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Speaker 1: of la take off your defense hat just for a moment, Troy.

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Speaker 1: not sure the top of her head? Okay? Interesting, very interesting. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: you know, Matt Harris. Right now, Alex Murdog is cooling

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Speaker 1: his jets behind bars, and we're uncovering more and more

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Speaker 1: money that he has allegedly siphoned away from his clients.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me about that? Oh yeah, he's some

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Speaker 1: around six million dollars in the point two I guess,

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Speaker 1: and he was given sort of given bonds yesterday. But

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Speaker 1: he's not going to do very well as getting out.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the judge gave me seven million dollar bond,

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Speaker 1: which has to be paid in full. Can't do the

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Speaker 1: old ten percent thing. So I can't imagine he's come

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Speaker 1: up with seven million dollars now. It might be some

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Speaker 1: sort of appeal going on or something. It's probably either're

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Speaker 1: saying the highest bond ever set in the state of

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, especially for someone who's not facing at this

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Speaker 1: point any charges that are buy and any violent offences

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Speaker 1: at all. It's all taking money, insurance fraud and wire

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Speaker 1: fraud and these sorts of things. He made a big

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Speaker 1: apology yesterday in court that he was sorry, he made

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Speaker 1: some bad decisions all that, yes right, apologized for the

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Speaker 1: sadder Field family and promised to pay back the Sadderfield

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Speaker 1: family the three million that he took from them. But

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Speaker 1: I just where is all this money where? Yeah? You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm playing around, You're right, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Erica thirty five. This is Murdog's lawyer speaking these

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Speaker 1: reports that your clients stole millions of dollars from from

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Speaker 1: the law firm. Did he use all of that money

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Speaker 1: to buy drugs or did he use some of the

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Speaker 1: millions for other things? The vast majority of it, as

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Speaker 1: I understand it was, he used to buy drugs a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of hoxy. Well, well what O case?

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Speaker 1: So let me it is I mean. But in his

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Speaker 1: interview that we made him available for on Monday, which

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Speaker 1: lad on the phone from the detox center, he explained

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Speaker 1: he wrote checks for most of this this is not

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Speaker 1: I mean, and gave them the bank account, totally cooperated

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Speaker 1: and told them how to find out how much he spent.

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Speaker 1: That's Murdoics lawyer talking to NBC. Now take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friend and cut thirty six Amy Robot at ABC.

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Speaker 1: Listen this morning. Another twist in that South Carolina unsolved

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Speaker 1: double murder mystery. ELK Murdoch, whose wife Maggie and son

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Speaker 1: Paul were brutally murdered back in June, is now accused

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Speaker 1: of hanchoing a scheme to funnel millions of dollars that

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Speaker 1: were supposed to be paid to the sons of his

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Speaker 1: former housekeeper in a wrongful death lawsuit after she reportedly

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Speaker 1: tripped over his dogs, hit her head and passed away.

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Speaker 1: They were never told of the settlements. They were never

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Speaker 1: told of the court hearings. They were never told of

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Speaker 1: the disbursements. According to court documents, Murdoch allegedly worked with

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Speaker 1: two of his friends, an attorney and a banker, to

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Speaker 1: pocket money from the four point three million dollars settlement,

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Speaker 1: which should have gone to the family of his former housekeeper,

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Speaker 1: Gloria Satterfield. The attorney for the housekeeper's family says, they've

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Speaker 1: seen a fraction of what they're owed. They want to

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Speaker 1: know what happened to the money. They have to answer

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Speaker 1: for what they did. It is a tremendous stain on

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Speaker 1: the justice system in our state. I'm confident that the

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Speaker 1: end of this truth will always come out. Well, we

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Speaker 1: can only hope that truth comes out, and anybody on

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Speaker 1: the panel jump in. I'm going to go to Matt

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Speaker 1: Harris right now, host of the Murdoch Family Murders podcast

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Speaker 1: The Only Ones Home. When Sadderfield fell to her death,

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Speaker 1: where Maggie and Paul Alex murdog stole the insurance settlement

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars. And that's the tip of the iceberg

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Speaker 1: of what he stole from clients, millions and millions and

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars under the guise of being their lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul are the only ones that really knew

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Speaker 1: what happened. And then just as we think Maggie may

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Speaker 1: have been filling for a divorce, she ends up dead.

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Speaker 1: Could it be because they knew too much? Well? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean when we also know that Maggie endorsed at

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Speaker 1: least one check where her signature maybe affix signature, was

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Speaker 1: on one of the checks that Alec had written that

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Speaker 1: he was taking allegedly stealing from people to cashier's check.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it, you know, doctor Sherry Schwartz. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure this isn't in your DSM diagnostic manual. But the

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Speaker 1: love of money, not money, but the love of money

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Speaker 1: the root of all evil. How many times have we

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Speaker 1: heard a doctor Sherry. Yes. And the thing that's often

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Speaker 1: equated with the love of money is because it brings power. Now,

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Speaker 1: it seems that this family wielded a lot of political power,

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Speaker 1: maybe because of the money maybe you know, in spite

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Speaker 1: of the money, but this seems to be what's tied this,

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Speaker 1: this thread that weaves through the entire fabric of this

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Speaker 1: long history of this family. Right, money, power, drugs to see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still struck by the nine one one

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Speaker 1: calls Nancy really the lack of emotion, Maggie Murdoch saying that, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's breathing, but I don't know where in her head

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Speaker 1: she's breathing from. I mean, this is someone you've known

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Speaker 1: for two decades, that's been inside of your house, among

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Speaker 1: your personal belongings, and you're not rushing to render aid.

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Speaker 1: You can't work up just a little emotion. That's really

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Speaker 1: troubling to me, Nancy. Joe is really really bothering me

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Speaker 1: is that if the housekeeper has a wrongful death lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: that must be against the property owner, the homeowner's insurance.

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Speaker 1: And so you're telling me that Alex Murdoch, the homeowner

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Speaker 1: is is representing his housekeeper in the wrongful death actions

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Speaker 1: his own insurance policy. That's right. He approached the Satterfield

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Speaker 1: family and offered, offered to represent them, said I'll take

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Speaker 1: care of you. His words, not mine. Yeah, what a

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Speaker 1: huge conflict of interest in he pocketed the money. That's

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Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg, Troy. And one of

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Speaker 1: these days, when we've got about another hour, Troice Slaton

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Speaker 1: can tell you all the ethical duties that are connected

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Speaker 1: to handling these type of money matters, but this all

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Speaker 1: boils it down to a nutshell. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our cut forty one. In an interview with WHNS, Jim Griffin,

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Speaker 1: one of Murdoch's lawyers, says, for the first time, law

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Speaker 1: enforcement always considered Murdoch a person of interest in his

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Speaker 1: family's murders, even though he is yet to be charged

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Speaker 1: in that case. Murdoch, I guess we've said all along.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that was our friend. Amy Robock at

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Speaker 1: ABC is a person of interest in the murders of

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Speaker 1: his wife Maggie and son Paul. We wait as justice

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Speaker 1: unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,