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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm sure you have

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Speaker 1: all seen what's going on with Russia, Russia Russia investigation,

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Speaker 1: and now Donald Trump has come out and said that

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Speaker 1: essentially he's accusing Obama of treason. So we figured we

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Speaker 1: would go to the man with all of the history,

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Speaker 1: all of the research, and that is Lee Smith. He

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Speaker 1: is a longtime journalist and New York Times best selling

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Speaker 1: author with over thirty years of experience working in the

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Speaker 1: media business.

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Speaker 2: So, mister Smith, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much Tudor for inviting me on today.

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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to be with you and your great audience.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely So, you've been following the Russia hoax for a

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Speaker 1: very long time. You've written numerous books. The Plot against

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Speaker 1: the President is one of them. So what is your

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's terrific.

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Speaker 3: It's very exciting because the documents that are coming out

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Speaker 3: are shedding more light on the different things that we've

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Speaker 3: been talking about for some time now. But again, finding

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Speaker 3: the documents be able to put being able to really

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Speaker 3: focus people's attention on stuff that's that's come out from

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Speaker 3: the government of the United States, because it's one thing

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Speaker 3: for a reporter to I mean, I've written three books

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Speaker 3: a reporter to write about, and it's another thing for

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Speaker 3: people to see, you know, the Director of National Intelligence

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Speaker 3: saying yes, this is exactly what happened. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I try to encourage people to be optimistic. I know

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Speaker 3: that there's some skepticism that anything will really happen because

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Speaker 3: we've been waiting for justice for quite some time. But

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Speaker 3: I'm certainly optimistic, guarded, but optimistic.

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, Well, I think that's what a lot of certainly

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Speaker 1: Republicans want. We feel like what happened to him was out.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he lost the majority of his first

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Speaker 1: term because of this. Yes, and we were told the

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Speaker 1: whole time we were silly for thinking that.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I mean, you know, the Mollelor investigation took

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Speaker 3: nearly two years of his term. The Republicans lost lost

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Speaker 3: the midterms, the twenty eighteen midterms in part because of

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Speaker 3: the Russia investigation, because of all the noise about Russia.

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Speaker 3: I believe there's been polling on that to show that

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Speaker 3: is the case. So yes, of course, so it's certainly

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Speaker 3: justice for the president as well as well as the

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Speaker 4: Were put through.

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Speaker 3: And it's also justice for the different Trump aids from

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Speaker 3: different people, but also certainly for the people that voted

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Speaker 3: for the president in that first term, when they voted

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Speaker 3: for his policies, to see his policies implemented. In the

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Speaker 3: entire play, the purpose of Russia Gate was to obstruct

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Speaker 3: justice here, not just for the president, not just his administration,

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Speaker 3: but for the American public as a whole. People who

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Speaker 3: didn't vote for Donald Trump should certainly want our constitution,

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Speaker 1: So the narrative started before the election, and I think

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Speaker 2: I mean, even when you look back at.

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Speaker 1: The visuals right, well, exactly, and I think that by

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Speaker 1: election obviously that Donald Trump was the Russian agent and

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Speaker 1: it didn't work out for them. How panicked did they

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Speaker 1: How much did they ramp it up at that point?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know what happened. I think it's

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Speaker 3: important to break Russia Gate down to two different parts.

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Speaker 3: The first part is the pre election part, whereas you say,

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Speaker 4: But they did.

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Speaker 3: Something very bad pre election, and that was that the

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Speaker 3: They're about the post election aspect of Russia Gate, when

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Speaker 3: That's what this represents, the post election aspect of Russia Gate.

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Speaker 3: And obvious it's very much the case that Barack Obama

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Speaker 3: community leaders, John Brennan in particular, and said, here's what

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Speaker 3: my desk before I leave office January twentieth. And that's

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Speaker 3: precisely what happened. Again, these were different things that we

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Speaker 3: We knew that Barack Obama was doing this. Everything that

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: But now again, these documents shed more light on this,

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Speaker 3: So it's not just it's not just journalist Lee Smith

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Speaker 2: Is treason too strong of a word?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know, I'm not a lawyer,

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Speaker 3: and frankly, I mean I think that's uh. I really

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Speaker 4: Throw around the word like trees in an awful lot.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know there were laws broke in

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Speaker 3: saying I'm not sure that if in the documents that

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Speaker 3: with what Barack Obama did, what there is evidence of,

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Speaker 3: and this is very important, is that Barack Obama took

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Speaker 4: Or yeah? Was that in itself criminal? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: There are different things though, that CIA director John Brennan

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Speaker 3: FBI and DOJ have opened up a very large criminal

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Speaker 3: this conspiracy goes from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: So that's one reason again why people should be optimistic.

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Speaker 3: And so far as we've been concerned about statute of

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Speaker 3: news SAI director John Ratcliffe referred John Brennan to a

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Speaker 3: So again, there are there there, there's plenty of evidence

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Speaker 1: You say that you have evidence against John Brennan, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what it's clear what happened. I mean,

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Speaker 3: add that this in twenty nineteen, Devin Nunez, when he

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Speaker 3: criminal referrals to the Department of Justice. His lead investigator

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Speaker 1: So he has all the information, he's been working on

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Speaker 2: This is not something he needs to catch up on.

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Speaker 1: I think that's something important for the American people to understand.

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Speaker 1: He's walking in with a wealth of knowledge on this already,

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Speaker 1: and I think that when you hear in the mainstream media,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have to look at everything that happened

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Speaker 3: shot in the head. Right, So, no, no one. The

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Speaker 3: Democrats certainly did not expect that Donald Trump was going

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Speaker 3: they didn't expect that they would ever have to pay

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Speaker 1: But when you look back at it like that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is severe desperation. All of the things, you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you forget, but when you lay it all out,

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Speaker 1: the multiple assassination attempts, the lawfare, all of it is

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Speaker 1: pretty disgusting. There has to be some level that Obama

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Speaker 1: if this was found out. And I do think that

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Speaker 3: How anyone could defend Stephen Colbert and John Stewart, two

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the time to make sure you know

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for bringing me on to it.

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