1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug gottlie. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: What up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio? 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 3: Do Do Do Do? 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 4: Do? 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 3: Do Do do? Dude? 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 2: Man, I got a ton of things to discuss. We 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: talked a lot on the radio show. Welcome into the podcast. 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: You know, I was watching the uh what was it 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: called farmer Geddon? Is that what it is? 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 3: Right? 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: K State Iowa State in Ireland? And then after the game, 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: K State's quarterback KSE States quarterbacks dad and his brother 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: got into a fight outside of the game, and I look, 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about the situation. 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: I don't God, I feel bad for the kid, and. 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a great guy or he 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: you know, his numbers were really good. I thought he 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: was okay in terms of his actual did he help 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: them win? But bigger part is like can you imagine now? 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: Can you imagine now? And I'm not saying these things 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: didn't happen. My dad and one of my assistant coaches 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: another day and they squared off after a game and 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: it was over like nothing. It was just more he 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: didn't understand we had just beaten Saint John's in the Garden, 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: or yeah, just beat Saint John's the Garden, our first 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: ever Biggies win. 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: And I made a couple of. 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: Mistakes down the stretch and got pulled, and uh, he 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: was just trying to coach me because he'd always coached me. 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: And it was time to go. And by the way, 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: we'd won the game, it's time to feel good about 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: winning the game. And they actually went nose to nose 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: and nothing happened. Had that gotten out and been on 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: a cell phone and been on been viral? Unbelievably embarrassing, infuriating. 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: That's my brother and my dad Like, yeah, I don't 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: and I'm sure the kid will play great, cause that 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: doesn't just happen overnight. That's not a great relationship. Awesome people, 39 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: And you know, somebody mistakenly spilled a beer, said the 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: wrong thing, and that's building over a long period of. 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: Time, right, But man, is that embarrassing. 42 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: Can you imagine, Hey, your dad got in a fight 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: after the game. Huh wait, wait, we just lost and 44 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 2: my dad gotta fight? Yeah, who is he going to 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: fight with? 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: Your brother? Oh? 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: How'd you know? It's on social media? You look at 48 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: your phone. What I don't even remember. They had to 49 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: fly home from Ireland and they probably had to fly 50 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: home together. I don't I don't have words. 51 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 53 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio. 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: App Let's get through the Foxes and now say I 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: haven't had. 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 2: This time and the budst podcast played for your portion 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: but previous show, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One, here's 58 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: Brady Quinn talk about those who think Shadoor who's being 59 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: set up to fail. 60 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 5: There are so many misconceptions with what's being spewed on 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 5: social media, and look, maybe they're just people who are 62 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 5: trying to gaslate. Like maybe that's what this is, and 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 5: that's what social media is kind of be coming now, 64 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 5: is you got to get a reaction out of people, 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 5: so you have to say things that are just absolutely ridiculous. 66 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 5: Or there's just certain people who viewed this world in 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 5: a certain prism and that's not going to change. And 68 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 5: those people seem to come out of the woodwork for 69 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 5: sports when they never lived there in the first place. 70 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 5: And by the way, like here's the things that I heard. 71 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 5: You know the play calls when Dylan Gabriel was in, 72 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 5: we're quick hitters, and you got the ball out quicker. 73 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 5: And then when Shador goes in or these max protection 74 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 5: take forever, but he's getting sacked all the time, even 75 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 5: though they knew they couldn't protect him. H okay, let's 76 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 5: break that down quick. You don't know what the biggest 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 5: difference was between Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders. When Dylan 78 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 5: Gabriel got to his back foot, he was decisive, he 79 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 5: got the ball out of his hand. Shador Sanders had 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 5: a number of opportunities to go to his first read 81 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,119 Speaker 5: or second read or an underneath route that he chose 82 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 5: not to go to. That's not on Dylan Gabriel, the 83 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 5: coaching staff, or anyone else. And it's one of the 84 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 5: things I brought up in the last time that we 85 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 5: saw Dylan Gabriel out and really when Shaduor played well too, 86 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 5: they both looked good. The difference was there was something 87 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 5: crisped and quick about Dylan Gabriel and just how he 88 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 5: kind of has an understanding for the timing and rhythm 89 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 5: of NFL offenses when the ball is thrown with timing 90 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 5: and anticipation. Chadar took a lot of sacks in college, 91 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 5: and it wasn't just because his old line wasn't great. 92 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: He holds a ball too long. I mean, guys, we 93 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: just we're gonna have to get to the part, okay 94 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: where we pretend that and now it's starting to be Look, 95 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: I think Ched Johnson is reputable. I think I love TJ, 96 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: Mnad and Zada. I didn't listen to the clip, but 97 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: apparently they're saying, you know, set up, set up to fail. 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: We're just gonna have to get to the part where 99 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: we don't pay attention that type of commentary, you know, 100 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: because the reality to it is he didn't play well. 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: He won't get rid of the fucking ball. He misses 102 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: guys that are open, he takes bad sacks, and then 103 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: when he's not playing well he pouts which parts of 104 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: these oh yeah, and then the second you don't play 105 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: him as much as he wanta he people think he 106 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: should play, or you don't start him, you're a racist 107 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: who's trying to undercut his his talent. Boy, you're making 108 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: it really really hard to. 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: Want to trade for him. 110 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: If I'm a different team, you know, look, I thought 111 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: it was a good quarterback in college. I thought he 112 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: held the ball really long, and I knew there were 113 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: questions about his arm, strength, attitude, and athletic ability. None 114 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: of these things that have taken place have changed my opinion. 115 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: They've only made it that Okay. Now I understand why 116 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: there were so many questions. Here's Dan Patrick had this 117 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 2: message for those who will partake in prediction seested over 118 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: the next ten days. 119 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 6: We talk about preseason. It's officially behind us now, but 120 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 6: the real action is ready to begin. And keep this 121 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 6: in mind. Don't take any of it too seriously because 122 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 6: we fall into this trap every preseason. Catub Williams was 123 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 6: supposed to light up the NFL. Marvin Harrison Junior was 124 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 6: going to be a Jamar Chase like rookie Kyron Williams 125 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 6: with the Rams. We thought he was going to be 126 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 6: a punt returner, ended up getting fourteen hundred yards and 127 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 6: thirty three million dollar contract in the off season. The 128 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 6: point is really simple. With preseason, it's about evaluation, not prophecy. 129 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 6: And it feels like we want to project. Now we 130 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 6: got it all figured out man Jackson Dart and he 131 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 6: should be starting Dylan Gabriel looks great. Maybe he should 132 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 6: be the starter in Cleveland. We want to be the 133 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 6: first to tell you something, and that's why I always 134 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 6: say just to use caution because the real story starts now. 135 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 136 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: I I'm not a big prediction guy. I don't think 137 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: any of us are. I don't think there's any harm 138 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: in it. But people who act like they know it's 139 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: just because you just don't know it's gonna be healthy. 140 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: It's such a long season. You know, other things are 141 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: going to go and we haven't had a great snapshot 142 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: of how they look. I'm generally with Dan, but again, 143 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be this. There is a room 144 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: for it since Vegas has its future odds, so obviously 145 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: there's a kind of there's more than a cottage industry 146 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: in it. Here's Jason McIntyre and for Colin Today, he 147 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: said this about Michael Parsons situation in Dallas. 148 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 7: We are now in an attention economy, right, that's what 149 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 7: it's all about. 150 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: Are you talking about Dallas? Yes? 151 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 7: Is Jerry going on Michael Irvin's podcast. I didn't even 152 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 7: know Mike had a podcast. Maybe that's new. Congratulations Mike 153 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 7: and Jerry's making the rounds and he's just talk about us. 154 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 7: We're Dallas, please keep us in the news. 155 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: And then as many. 156 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 7: People suspect a deal will get done at the last moment. 157 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 7: Chris Jones, you guys remember with the Chiefs a couple 158 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 7: of years ago, he or maybe it was last year 159 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 7: or whenever they played the Lions in Week one, he 160 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 7: missed the game and it was like, Okay, we've got 161 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 7: to get the Chris Jones deal done. But what's different 162 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 7: is Chris Jones had made a lot of money. Mike's 163 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 7: still on his rookie deal, and Jerry said something last 164 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 7: week about how, hey, we've got him under contract for 165 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 7: three more years. 166 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: That sounds like he's pretty dug in. 167 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 7: If you're a Dallas fan and you love Michael Parsons, 168 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 7: I'm gonna go ahead and guess he's the best selling 169 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 7: jersey on the Cowboys. If it's not number one, it's 170 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 7: two or three, it's right. 171 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 6: There at the top. 172 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 7: You're starting to alienate your fan base a little over 173 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 7: what a contract. 174 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: Really. 175 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 7: You were gonna make him the highest paid and now 176 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 7: you're not because the agent. 177 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 6: Is getting involved. 178 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much, that's pretty much it. No, I 179 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: don't think he's not gonna make him the highest paid. 180 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: I think the agent probably not trying to make it hurt, 181 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: tried run up the number, and I'm sure Jerry's like. 182 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: We had a deal. This is the deal. 183 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: Do whatever you want to make yourself feel better. 184 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: This is the deal. 185 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: I understand optically how it looks not great, and there's 186 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: a lot of people sit there go like, how could 187 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: you bypass the agent? 188 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 189 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: I also know that Dave Moultgetta is an agent that 190 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: drives a lot of people crazy because try and run 191 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: up the price. I mean he was the one with 192 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: the He's over the Deshaun Watson contract. That's David Mulketta. 193 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: So I mean, like, look, this guy is he's powerful 194 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: and with power comes confidence sometimes arrogance. It doesn't mean 195 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: they're trying to put him in place. It's just like 196 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: the you have to sign on no matter what, like, well, 197 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: that's not actually how it works. And they were right 198 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: there with the deal. So I don't have any doubt 199 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: that it gets done. But I also think there's so 200 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: much we don't know about this. That's why it's not 201 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: done yet. That makes sense to you, That's what the 202 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: Fox says, say. 203 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 204 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 205 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 206 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: Let's find out who's annoying Jason Stewart, and now it's 207 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,119 Speaker 2: your annoying. 208 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 4: I'm now annoyed that you didn't give enough credit to 209 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: Dan Patrick. I need loud voices to come out against 210 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: predictions season for the next ten days, where we get 211 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 4: the worst of the worst of sports content its host 212 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 4: for the betterment of their own egos, as Dan says, 213 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: so they could say they got something right offering up 214 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: empty calories to listeners and doing lazy segments with nothing 215 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 4: behind them. Good for Dan for saying it. I need 216 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 4: more influential voices to say it. I've said ten times. 217 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: If I haven't said it one hundred times, when I 218 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 4: program my own network, there will be no predictions on 219 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 4: that network. Empty calories serve the listener. Think of who's 220 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 4: listening to your show? Do they really want to know 221 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: what your prediction is for the NFC East Anyways, moving 222 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: on an issue with Joy Taylor, So full disclosure, I 223 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 4: worked with Joy over at FS one. Can't say we're 224 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 4: friends could say we work together, and I know you've 225 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 4: worked with her, and this is kind of where you 226 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 4: come into this story, Doug. In the wake of twenty twenty, 227 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 4: after George Floyd, something weird happened in our business. Everybody 228 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: chose a side and we knew the politics of everybody 229 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 4: on the air. Never happened before in the history of broadcasting. 230 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 4: Hopefully it never happens again. But Joy Taylor was very 231 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 4: much out in front with the liberals and the wokeness 232 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: and the marginalization of minorities and people who look a 233 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 4: certain way. In fact, that kind of wokeness caused a 234 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 4: little bit of a brew haha with you on the 235 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: air and the Drew Brees situation. Well, she was on 236 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: with Cam Newton on his podcast this past weekend and 237 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 4: Jason Whitlock was asked. 238 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: About every time someone brings up Jason Whitlock, I can't 239 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: believe he's still with us. I don't think anything works 240 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 2: harder than his cholesterol, if I'm being honest. 241 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: So, just to get this straight, someone who looked down 242 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 4: her nose at us for marginalizing people that look a 243 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: certain way, all marginalized people. Second, her back is against 244 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 4: the wall she has gone right to the fat, right 245 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: to the fat insult. Stephen A. Smith actually called him 246 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 4: fat two and he said, this is the one exception. 247 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: I don't do this with people, but this is the 248 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 4: one exception which I would say. I'm not a woke person, 249 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 4: but I thought Wolkeness was about nobody left behind. There 250 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 4: are no exceptions. This comes off as contradictory and hypocritical 251 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 4: to me. 252 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: Doug. 253 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: I just I think, well, I mean, whooh, what to 254 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: say here? I mean, she's a bitch. I mean, dude, 255 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: she just said I can't believe he's still with us, 256 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: basically saying I can't believe he hasn't died yet because 257 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: he's heavy. That's what she said. Yeah, I agree with 258 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: you that something weird happened. I don't think every I 259 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: didn't pick a side. I just got thrown in the middle, 260 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: Like what what what happened? When do we get I'm 261 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: still there? I still don't understand. I don't understand how 262 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: any of these people who claim everything's racist still have oxygen. 263 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: You know, I get the oxygen from the masses. I'm 264 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: not talking about oxygen in real life. But she just 265 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: basically said, I can't believe he's still alive. 266 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 4: It's kind of the last So she's a fucking clown. 267 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: Let's just call it like it is. Okay, fuck her, 268 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: she's a clown. Hey, she's a clown. She everybody said 269 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: she's the hottest thing in sports media. You gotta have 270 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: her on your show. And I was super open to it, 271 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: you know, super open to it. I think she's talented, 272 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: but dude, what the fuck? She would go every weekend 273 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: on some girls trip and post it on social media, 274 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: taking pictures or whatever. 275 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: That's fine, there's. 276 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that if you want to be an 277 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: Instagram model, but you wanted to have credibility in sports. 278 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: And then she speaks with authority about sports that she 279 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: doesn't know fucking anything about. No connections, nothing interesting. The 280 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: biggest connection is her brother Jason, who's a Hall of Famer. 281 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: That's it. She knows about sports. She knows how to 282 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: carry on a conversation, but like, how are we supposed 283 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: to take you seriously? And that was a big That 284 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: was my advice to her was when she would guess host, hey, 285 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: don't open it up and have like make it Women 286 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: of Broadcasting day. If you're good enough, just do the job, 287 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: you're good enough, But she acts like people are holding 288 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: female broad pastors back. She held them back. She did 289 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: damage to female broadcasters. How so I'll give you three ways. 290 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: Okay. One, Hey, you can't be shitting where you eat. 291 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: Everybody knows that. 292 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: And when you're a woman, I'm sorry, there's a there's 293 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: there's a there's a standard for anybody. There's a real 294 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: double standard for women. And and like I just there's 295 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: there's no explit. She's never denied it. Everyone knows it 296 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: to be knows it to be true. So, okay, that 297 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: does damage to the credibility of all women because it's 298 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: not fair. But that is the assumption that you make. 299 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: You stick a woman of any sort of reasonably looking 300 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: women in front of a bunch of dudes in a 301 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: dud and these things are gonna happen, so don't hire them. 302 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: That does damage to women. Secondly, you get a job 303 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: like one. Uh and they called it a co host, right, 304 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: she's not a co host, but she was on Collin's show. 305 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 2: You do damage to your credibility. You don't have to 306 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: sit and stare at games all day. You don't have 307 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: to lock in and go to the stadium. But I'm 308 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: telling you you guys, tell me if I'm wrong. Every 309 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: fucking weekend. If you follow her on the gram, she 310 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: was traveling somewhe around the world. 311 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: Once again, she has the right to do. 312 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: Just don't tell me that I'm supposed to take your 313 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: sports opinion as credible when you clearly don't give a 314 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: shit about sports, right, Okay, And then the third part 315 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: is again joy has at times battled with her figure. Okay, 316 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: some guys Jason went finds her incredibly attractive, some guys 317 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: not into her. I don't care. It's not even it's 318 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: not part of the discussion. The point is that if 319 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: I were to say that about her or any other woman, again, 320 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 2: there's a double standard there. Or women talking about how 321 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 2: women look at somehow off limits. Everybody does it, and 322 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: yet on air it's off limits. So what is her 323 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: response to say that Jason Whitlock, I'm surprised he's still 324 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: here because of his cholesterols through the charts. So look, 325 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: Joya Taylor is essentially unhiable. We all know that Jason 326 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 2: Whitlock is low hanging fruit, easy punching bag. He's pissed 327 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: off a lot of people in the industry. None of 328 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: that is the surprise, okay. And the things that she 329 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: said on the podcast are things that are said behind 330 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: his back, but she said it into an open microphone. 331 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you this woman has done a 332 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: substantial amount of damage to female broadcasters, which she pretends 333 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: to give a shit about. 334 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 3: She doesn't. Goodbye, Joe Joy. 335 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 4: I want to cap this entire thing with something that 336 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 4: someone who held this time slot before you, said, comedian Jymore. 337 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 4: And just the disclaimer here, I'm quoting a comedian. This 338 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 4: isn't my belief. I just find it very funny. So 339 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 4: what Joy just did with Whitlocker reminds me of his 340 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 4: old bit when he says, I have no problems if 341 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 4: you're black, or gay, or overweight. I welcome all. I 342 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 4: have no problems with you unless you're late for something. 343 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 4: Then it's where the fuck is that fat black gay guy? Oh? 344 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: Oh Jesus. Jay H. 345 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 4: Cal Rawley hid his forty eighth and forty ninth home 346 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 4: runs yesterday, and I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed at me because 347 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: I'm the one who said that he was going to 348 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 4: slow down. In June. We talked about him and can 349 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 4: he sustain this as a catcher, as an pretty much 350 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 4: an everyday catcher, can he sustain this home run pace? 351 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 4: The answer is yes, he's broken the major league record. 352 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 4: This game's been played, and they've been keeping records for 353 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 4: over a century, and he's the only part full time 354 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 4: catcher to have this many home runs. And then for 355 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 4: anybody who wants to say something about that, like, oh, no, 356 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: he's DHD a lot this year. No, he hit his 357 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: fortieth home run yesterday as a catcher, so he only 358 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 4: has nine as a DH. By comparison, the catcher that 359 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 4: held that record, Salvador Perez, had fifteen home runs as 360 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 4: a non catcher. And I don't know whatever the math is, 361 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: thirty thirty three as a catcher. Cal Rawley has completely 362 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 4: obliterated this record, and there's still a month left in 363 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 4: the season. I'm gonna apologize to him, and I'm gonna 364 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: be annoyed at me for getting this way wrong. There 365 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 4: was no slowdown to cal Rawley. 366 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: No, but you had a lot of good ammo. Right, 367 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: you had you follow the sport. You know the sport. 368 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 2: The unlikeliness of this type of second half is it 369 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: was very much well documented. Right, So with that in mind, 370 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 2: I understand it is. It's annoying, But is there anything 371 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: else that's annoying? 372 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 4: No, I just have a prediction season, Joy Taylor and 373 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 4: cal Rawley and me. 374 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: Mmmm No, I have as rated Joey Taylor pretty good. 375 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: I'll just be annoyed at prediction season. It's dumb, and 376 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: I think the dumbest part is somebody who will get 377 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: it right and then they'll claim and act like they 378 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 2: know something more than everybody else when they're just lucky, 379 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: and for that, you're annoying. 380 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? 381 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 8: I do. 382 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 4: Because we can, Doug. I want to thank Johnny Manziel. 383 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 4: Not only is it going to offer us some sound 384 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 4: for this segment today, but he's gonna also educate us. 385 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 4: As you're listening to this, keep this in mind. He's 386 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 4: talking about a gambling addiction. He's talking about something that 387 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 4: happened when he was an actual quarterback in the NFL, 388 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 4: and he hits on something very important at the end 389 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 4: that people seem to forget what happens when you get 390 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 4: in deep with the wrong people. But this is an 391 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 4: amazing bit of sound. He was on the podcast with 392 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: I saw Michael Porter Junior. I'm not sure who else 393 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 4: go ahead. 394 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 8: I was addicted to the NBA. It was the years 395 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 8: of like Ron coming back to Cleveland, mellow is still. 396 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: Really good, Kobe. 397 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 8: The Christmas games were like amazing, and for me, I 398 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 8: was so tapped in and hooked on weekly basketball, like 399 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 8: to get home from a practice and turn a game 400 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 8: on at seven or eight o'clock at night, like I 401 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 8: was fucking gambling, Like I was fucking ripping NBA games 402 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 8: every single day, tapped into it, loved it, bro and 403 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 8: was on like a crazy ride of it. After I 404 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 8: get cut in Cleveland, I learned about Sino credit and 405 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 8: like getting a wire and like walking to the table 406 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 8: and taking one hundred k out and being like, all right, 407 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 8: start with ten, fucking lose it another ten, twenty, and 408 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 8: you look up. By the fucking end of a weekend, 409 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 8: you're going out and you're drinking. You just fly through 410 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 8: one hundred grand, like no problem, no worries, chasing Just 411 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 8: like tough spot to be in. I remember like forgetting 412 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 8: about it, going on another trip and like going on 413 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 8: a run and then getting a call like go you 414 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 8: have twenty four hours until you pay this marker off 415 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 8: for people in Las Vegas are gonna send a felony 416 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 8: conviction out for your ass and they're coming to get you, 417 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 8: and it was like, oh shit, that is crazy. 418 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 4: Uh. 419 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: Gambling addiction, I think in many ways is the craziest addiction. 420 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: Crazy addiction because the substances are all inside of you. 421 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: You don't need to, but you're trying to trigger those substances, right, 422 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: the dopamine and oxytocin and all that other stuff, So 423 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 2: that that's crazy. As a guy who he made it 424 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: rough for himself from having the world of his actual fingertips. 425 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: Why we play it for you because we can't. That's 426 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: it for the In the Motus podcast, check at the 427 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: radio show the three to five total two Pacific Fox 428 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app I'm do Gottlieb