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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Monday, November tenth. The Epstein

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Speaker 1: saga continues. The latest bombshell, Gallaine Maxwell is getting to

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Speaker 1: play with puppies in prison. And with that, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I start with that.

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Speaker 1: That is a part of a long, strongly worded letter

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Speaker 1: in which folks are demanding answers from President Trump about

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Speaker 1: why Glain Maxwell is chilling in prison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one way to put it.

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Speaker 3: The House Judiciary Committee sent a letter of demands to

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Speaker 3: President Trump, and it all is based on this new

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Speaker 3: evidence they say they got from a whistleblower, but certainly

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Speaker 3: a specific email that they say they intercepted that Glaine

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Speaker 3: sent her attorney saying essentially, yes, she is preparing pieces

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Speaker 3: of evidence and certainly getting ready to add asked to

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Speaker 3: formally ask President Trump to commute her sentence. So Congress

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Speaker 3: is saying, wait a minute, before you even consider this,

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Speaker 3: we need to question you about what we're hearing is

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Speaker 3: going on at FPC Federal Prison Camp Bryant these days.

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Speaker 1: That might mean they're essentially flat out saying and the

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Speaker 1: line is in there flat out saying, why is she

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Speaker 1: getting special privileges? And directly, I think, continuating that she's

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Speaker 1: getting them because she's covering something up for you, mister president.

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Speaker 3: You actually pointed this part of the letter out, and

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Speaker 3: we will get into excerpts of the letter, and they

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Speaker 3: are they are bombshells, truly. But this was the headline

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Speaker 3: that you saw, You said, Robes, did you read? This

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Speaker 3: is what Representative Jamie Raskin, who's the leading Democrat on

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Speaker 3: the House Judiciary Committee, who signed this letter. This was

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Speaker 3: kind of like the big accusation to President Trump. What

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Speaker 3: information is miss Maxwell agreeing to suppress in order to

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Speaker 3: receive such outlandishly favorable treatment as a federal prisoner and

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Speaker 3: convicted sex offender.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how much of this is really somebody trying to

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Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this? How much of this

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Speaker 1: is politics? But this just once again shows rogues when

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Speaker 1: we think one part of the story has been put

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Speaker 1: to rest, I didn't. Where does this come from? A

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Speaker 1: whistle blower out of nowhere? This story is just another

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Speaker 1: further evidence that no one will ever be satisfied with

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Speaker 1: any resolution to this.

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Speaker 3: Story correct because everyone feels like they aren't getting the truth.

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Speaker 3: There isn't any true transparency, and everyone is suspicious about

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Speaker 3: underhanded deals going on behind the scenes. So according to

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Speaker 3: this whistle blower information that House Democrats say they have.

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Speaker 3: One of the ones that stood out to me. They

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Speaker 3: said within the halls of FPC Bryant, a top official

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Speaker 3: at the facility, has complained that he is quote sick

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Speaker 3: of having to be Maxwell's bitch.

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Speaker 2: That was in a letter to the Resident.

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Speaker 1: From the head of the House Judiciary Committee. Ranking member

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Speaker 1: right of the House Judiciary Committee wrote this to the

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Speaker 1: President of the United States, say, hey, we need some

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Speaker 1: answers because this guy over here working at this prison

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Speaker 1: said he's tired of being Glaiine Maxwell's bitch. So we

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Speaker 1: need to hear what's going on. This is where we are.

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Speaker 2: You can't make that up.

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Speaker 1: This is where we are.

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Speaker 3: Like that actually was in a letter sent to the

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Speaker 3: President today. But among the whistleblower claims are these that

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Speaker 3: Gahlaine Maxwell's meals have been customized and prepared by Federal

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Speaker 3: prison camp staff and then personally delivered to her in

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Speaker 3: her cell.

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Speaker 2: By longtime federal employees.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard anything. Have you heard any response as

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Speaker 1: to why, because they might think some of this all right,

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Speaker 1: there is a safety issue. We want to keep her

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Speaker 1: away from the general population kind of a thing. Is

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Speaker 1: there any defense being made like.

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Speaker 3: That, Well, not directly yet to these specific claims, but

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Speaker 3: in general, anytime there have been complaints, that has been

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Speaker 3: the response that her safety is an issue, that everything

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Speaker 3: is being done to ensure Glene Maxwell's safety and the

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Speaker 3: safety of the other prisoners.

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Speaker 2: So everyone's safety is what is being considered.

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Speaker 1: But the way he put it there with the meals,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's it's more that she sounds like she's

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Speaker 1: being like she has a chef there.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like she's getting filet mignon and truffle fries,

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Speaker 3: probably with the glass of sauvignon blanc.

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Speaker 1: But he made it sound really bad, correct.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: The other allegation from this whistleblower is that when miss

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Speaker 3: Maxwell wants to arrange a private meeting with visitors, including

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Speaker 3: members of her family, the warden personally arranged it for

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Speaker 1: Okay, they sound very hospitable there at at the prison.

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Speaker 1: I hear her has a good reputation for being one

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Speaker 3: Again this, I don't know about the assortment of snacks

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Speaker 3: and refreshments assortments he did.

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Speaker 2: I'm literally quoting the letter.

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Speaker 3: I am not taking any liberties when I talk about

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Speaker 3: this specifically. So look, I understand this specially cordon off area,

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Speaker 3: perhaps because again of safety issues. Okay, I don't know

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Speaker 3: about the snacks. Here's another allegation. Miss Maxwell's guests were

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Speaker 3: permitted to bring computers, an unprecedented action by the warden

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Speaker 3: given the security risk and potential for Miss Maxwell to

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Speaker 1: Now I hear that as a pretty big no no.

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Speaker 1: Again said these are his allegations with Okay, that one

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Speaker 1: could be solid, And you asked the question, why is

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Speaker 1: not correct?

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Speaker 2: Here is another allegation.

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Speaker 3: When the phone lines went down for other inmates at

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Speaker 3: the camp, Miss Maxwell provided specific instructions about exactly which

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Speaker 3: BOP personnel her contact should call and how those BOP

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Speaker 3: personnel would then connect to relay the call to Miss Maxwell.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she sounds resourceful to me. Bretty, y'all couldn't figure

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Speaker 1: out how to deal with this when the phones went down,

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Speaker 1: is what it sounds like. But again, how is she

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Speaker 1: able to know what to do how to do it

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Speaker 1: the exact she has a point to person.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there is a point in which I don't know

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Speaker 3: if at one point in this letter they said that

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Speaker 3: Miss Maxwell treats the Warden as her personal secretary, like

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Speaker 3: her personal assistant, and that is how the warden actually

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Speaker 3: acts as if she is an assistant to Miss Maxwell.

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Speaker 1: Can't be treated that way. She must be performing and

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Speaker 1: acting that way. She's the one in charge. That's the

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Speaker 1: Are these things true about the warden? I don't know

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Speaker 1: if does she have an answer to She would have

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Speaker 1: to have an answer as to why she is possibly

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh right, Okay, so the next one was exactly

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Speaker 3: what I was just was just kind of paraphrasing. But

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Speaker 3: here's the exact wording. When Miss Maxwell wanted to review

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Speaker 3: and edit documents quickly, she essentially used Warden Hall as

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Speaker 3: her personal secretary and administrative assistant. Miss Maxwell's correspondence would

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Speaker 3: email documents directly to the Warden, who would provide them

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Speaker 3: and provide to the original center for other inmates. Simple

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Speaker 3: mail can just take weeks to arrive and is frequently lost.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear answers to that, and I'm curious. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am curious myself, Congressman rasking about that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, now here to your puppies.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the puppies.

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Speaker 3: An inmate who trains puppies to become service dogs was

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Speaker 3: instructed to provide one to Maxwell for a time so

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Speaker 3: she could play with the puppy, even though neither inmates

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Speaker 3: in training.

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Speaker 1: I went back to where we think the privilege is

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Speaker 1: that Glenne Maxwell got to pet a puppy, But you

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Speaker 1: have another inmate who gets the privilege of training puppies

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Speaker 1: as a job. So I don't know what's happening there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not It's unclear to me as well. There is

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Speaker 3: a puppy trainer, but apparently not a puppy petter.

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Speaker 1: You can't pet the puppies.

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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to pet the puppy because they're being

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Speaker 3: trained to be service animals.

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Speaker 1: You know, I bet if we had more service. I

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Speaker 1: mean more what they call them a therapy dog. We

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Speaker 1: haven't played hospitals and places like that. How would those

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Speaker 3: I agree if I would think that would be something

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Speaker 1: But again, here we are talking about this is the

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Speaker 1: privilege that the others don't get.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's the issue at hand. Yes, and then

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Speaker 3: here is another accusation. When miss Maxwell wanted to go

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Speaker 3: to the prison exercise area, she was personally escorted their

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Speaker 3: hours after hours by prison guards so she could work

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Speaker 3: in staff only areas. Again, they could point to safety issues.

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Speaker 1: But i' he put this out there. Does he want

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Speaker 1: real answers or is he found another way to tie

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Speaker 1: President Trump get more headlines about Trump Epstein with the

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Speaker 1: very clear message being she is getting this because she

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Speaker 1: is hiding something for him. Is it seems to be

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Speaker 1: if you're cynical and just say, hey, that's politics, and

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Speaker 1: of course this is what's happening. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: I guess the accusations don't seem so outrageous or so outlandish,

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Speaker 3: but the point being, I mean, look, the wording that

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Speaker 3: was used in Raskin's letter is very incendiary. This top

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Speaker 3: flight luxury service has reached such a point of absurdity,

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Speaker 3: and you know, just dot dot dot dot dot. But

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Speaker 3: saying that these luxuries and these amenities have not been

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Speaker 1: That is a problem. If the most is she not

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Speaker 1: the most vicious and would be the most dangerous inmate

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Speaker 2: She absolutely is the only non violent offender, So yes,

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Speaker 2: only violent.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, she is the only violent offender in a otherwise

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Speaker 2: No one who is there committed a violent action.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then for every victim, for every victim's family to

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Speaker 1: think that this woman is one got the privilege of

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Speaker 1: going to this place, he says, now is getting there

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Speaker 1: and living a life even better than some people on

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Speaker 1: the outside are. That is a that's injustice. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's legit. I would like to hear answers as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so what they are demanding among other things,

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Speaker 3: but the big demand that Congress, or at least the

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Speaker 2: They want to speak.

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Speaker 3: To it's deputy sorry, Deputy Attorney General Todd Lunch. They

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Speaker 3: want to hear directly from him. They want him to

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Speaker 3: be on the record, sworn in and hear directly whether

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Speaker 3: or not there was anything promised to Glaine Maxwell for

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Speaker 3: sitting down with him for those nine hours. And they

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Speaker 3: claim repeat lies and then go on to lavish praise

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Speaker 3: on President Trump that.

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Speaker 1: Part of the letter, how much I can pull the

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Speaker 1: letter up of that note up quickly enough, But they're

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Speaker 1: flat out saying that this was a up just so

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Speaker 1: she could get on the record and exonerate you, mister president.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that this was the point of this sit down,

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Speaker 1: was that to her to go out of her way

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Speaker 1: to exit. They use that word right, exonerate you, mister president.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: So he said, have you directed mister Blanche or anyone

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Speaker 3: else in your administration to provide miss Maxwell with that

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Speaker 3: transfer to the prison camp, favorable and preferential treatment in prison,

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Speaker 3: or special accommodations for her communications and interaction with her

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