Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: Full of hot takes and cool dam.
Speaker 3: And from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 3: I am Dan hansis got heroes here, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 3: cool dad alert, look out, self proclaimed.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'll take that out of uncool dads. But yeah,
Speaker 4: we you know, we're a little different. We're a little
Speaker 4: different than when we started in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: Well, we weren't dads.
Speaker 4: I think I was. I know I was, and so
Speaker 4: is Mark. But yeah, but I was early, early.
Speaker 5: That I was already to two children, but we weren't
Speaker 5: because you weren't so.
Speaker 1: Much much older.
Speaker 2: It's Mark and I. Then it hasn't happened to the show.
Speaker 1: It needs to.
Speaker 3: I think everyone knows that fatherhood started in twenty fourteen
Speaker 3: with the arrival of Jack Carson Kansas. By the way,
Speaker 3: speaking of my son and my other son and my
Speaker 3: family and really the whole town where I lived. Congratulations
Speaker 3: to El Segundo, the Little League team. They won the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: They won. They won the.
Speaker 3: Little League World Series, won the United States title beating
Speaker 3: Texas on Saturday, then won the world title yesterday on
Speaker 3: a walk off by this kid Lewis Lappey who I
Speaker 3: don't know, man, he's never gonna pay for a soda
Speaker 3: pop again in this town.
Speaker 1: Going to the celebration parade on Main Street out.
Speaker 4: So maybe at the parade today, Yeah, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: It was a really fun, fun few days being a
Speaker 4: part of it in uh kind of history for the
Speaker 4: town because they'd never been to town that prides itself
Speaker 4: on baseball.
Speaker 3: And community and just kind of being a throwback type
Speaker 3: of community in terms of values.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And for that to happen, to go on that run
Speaker 3: which else is going to have never been in the
Speaker 3: World Series and win it. I will remember that for
Speaker 3: a long time. And how are things in your neck
Speaker 3: of the woods this weekend?
Speaker 5: I would say one thing about El Segono because I
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time there over the years. And
Speaker 5: if you've never been there or or you know, it's
Speaker 5: where lax is essentially, but it is this like small
Speaker 5: old school American almost just like berg in the middle
Speaker 5: of Massive LA. And it's barely different than if Santa
Speaker 5: Monica went to the World Series or some other part
Speaker 5: of this city. It's like this little, tiny old school
Speaker 5: town in there. So I can only imagine because you
Speaker 5: you're a resident now you've embraced it in like you're
Speaker 5: a huge baseball fan, so that the meeting of these
Speaker 5: two events together in your life must have been special.
Speaker 5: I mean you've been you were quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I will at all, no.
Speaker 2: Genuine missed the playoffs this year. You can't complain. You
Speaker 2: got your title.
Speaker 3: Yes, the old oil refinery, that's true too, the mighty specific.
Speaker 1: They called Maybury by the Sea.
Speaker 3: A little baseball and our moms arbecuing Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 4: That's badass. Though I don't walk off. I don't know
Speaker 4: your kids. I would think are going to be talking
Speaker 4: about that and remember that for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3: Maybe when we always think that with our children, that
Speaker 3: they'll remember things the way we think they'll remember them,
Speaker 3: But they're also half paying attention and playing with their
Speaker 3: friends for the minority of the game because their kids
Speaker 3: and they have no sense of the moment.
Speaker 4: Just mean, when they're in high school and stuff, they'll
Speaker 4: be like when they're I think they'll know it town pride.
Speaker 5: It would be interesting to be in that high school
Speaker 5: when those kids, these kids like suddenly a royalty inside
Speaker 5: of a normal you know, what great are they in?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, they're like what, they're twelve, So.
Speaker 5: There's a bunch of normal twelve year olds around that
Speaker 5: I can't even figure out how to like. You know,
Speaker 5: they're in middle school ways, so they're middle school. And
Speaker 5: then you got these like local heroes. I mean, there's
Speaker 5: gonna be a diverg and some social stratospheres in this
Speaker 5: world over the next few years.
Speaker 3: So yes, very important to do in my neck of
Speaker 3: the woods. Also important is the celebration that is the
Speaker 3: end of the preseason schedule. It's over, folks. Every game
Speaker 3: was played, training camps wrapping up. Are we all done
Speaker 3: with camps across Yeah, pretty much, yep, which means football
Speaker 3: is next week, real football. Football is back. How about that?
Speaker 3: Well not yet. No, We've been through this, yeah many
Speaker 3: many times. You keep on trying to rush the football's back, right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: The whole point. It's back at so many different points.
Speaker 3: But is it truly back where you could say it
Speaker 3: without any reservations?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. No, I think you need to
Speaker 1: be stoic about that.
Speaker 2: I hate the third week of the preseason.
Speaker 4: First couple you're excited, but man like billionaire owners charging
Speaker 4: full price for guys that have no chance making the team,
Speaker 4: tearing their acls like like Nate.
Speaker 2: So I mean that the brown is a tough It's tough.
Speaker 2: It's a tough situation.
Speaker 4: They literally cut Kellen Mond in Cleveland, and then after
Speaker 4: they made that, Josh Dobbs trade told Kellen Mond, You're
Speaker 4: not gonna make the team, but you have to play
Speaker 4: our entire third preseason game at quarterback. To me, that's
Speaker 4: preseason and not so they did the same when Nate
Speaker 4: Sudfeld in Detroit, essentially, and he ended up tearing his
Speaker 4: acl like he knew he had no chance to make
Speaker 4: the team.
Speaker 5: But Greg, you also made the point it's rough a
Speaker 5: couple shows ago that anyone arguing about injuries in the
Speaker 5: preseason needs to pipe down, because.
Speaker 2: So just third week, the third week is uh, little.
Speaker 1: Mercenary is rough.
Speaker 4: And if they if they just charged the twenty bucks
Speaker 4: per decad, I wouldn't be complained. The fact that you
Speaker 4: literally pay the exact same amount as a as a
Speaker 4: regular season game is popble.
Speaker 5: You got the old Rex Ryan putting Mark Sanchez back
Speaker 5: in the preseason game and then a disaster strikes all right, too.
Speaker 2: Much negative. We gotta get to the good stuff.
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, those guys, those quarterbacks, that's a tough situation.
Speaker 3: The way they sell them on it is, hey, get
Speaker 3: the showcase, get some tape, ball out bro showcase and
Speaker 3: he brings sure someone else call him anyway, all right, we.
Speaker 1: Got a lot to get to. Let's start with the
Speaker 1: news first and tent to the giant fourteen.
Speaker 6: Rogers with the third for Wilson in the touchdown till my.
Speaker 1: Point he grew an absolute dark Oh there it is.
Speaker 3: First of many times I think boys Aaron Rodgers to
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, and I'm getting more and more annoyed to
Speaker 3: myself because of my Jet fandom. When I did the
Speaker 3: Superstar Club that I didn't put Garrett Wilson in ahead
Speaker 3: of it because I feel more certain about that than anything.
Speaker 3: If he stays healthy and Rogers stays healthy, he's going
Speaker 3: to think. I think he's gonna produce in that. Justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson Club this year, Devontae Adams Club. I think he
Speaker 3: is just different. And now he's paired with a truly
Speaker 3: great QB who looks great as well. I think they
Speaker 3: are gonna make music.
Speaker 5: And Aaron Rodgers I mean, I think if you look
Speaker 5: at the last couple of years in Green Bay sort
Speaker 5: of openly believe frustrated with wide receiver play. And when
Speaker 5: you hear on Hard Knocks how he talks about Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 5: it's genuine, it's real. I think he sees it too,
Speaker 5: and I think we saw some of it a year ago.
Speaker 5: And it's like the last year's draft class for the
Speaker 5: Jets is as big of a game changer and as
Speaker 5: big of a deal as getting Aaron Rodgers. I watched
Speaker 5: this game in a place in the middle of LA.
Speaker 1: The Snoopy Bowl. You speak of the Snoopy Bowl, but
Speaker 1: it's like in LA, I.
Speaker 4: At least the Jets gave us something to watch this week,
Speaker 4: and we'll have a few starters out there.
Speaker 5: You have a page page of people that don't that
Speaker 5: aren't tied to anything in LA. It's like they all
Speaker 5: have eighteen different teams. But the place came to a
Speaker 5: standstill to watch the Aaron Rodgers drive. It was like,
Speaker 5: that's what the Jets are this season.
Speaker 4: I checked out the Offensive Player of the Year odds
Speaker 4: because we had to submit our predictions on NFL dot Com.
Speaker 4: We're also be doing our Awards predictions later on this
Speaker 4: week this podcast, and Garrett Wilson was somewhat high up there,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, that's that's surprising. But then
Speaker 4: I also saw Bryce Hall was somewhat high up there,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, Jets fans are feeling the scene.
Speaker 4: Reason those numbers are quite that high as Jets fans
Speaker 4: are putting a decent amount of money on it, and
Speaker 4: it just puts them higher on the list. But the
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson bart, I could buy that, as I said
Speaker 4: so much pre Sol Offensive Player of the Year, I.
Speaker 3: Said, the eyes and the thing about this this Jets
Speaker 3: season is the logic checks out that they're going to
Speaker 3: be good.
Speaker 1: Will they be good? Well, we're getting closer to finding out.
Speaker 1: Marquee Football's almost here. I think it's all, you know.
Speaker 5: I can't decide if the Dan experience of it is
Speaker 5: going to be more of an issue for Greg and
Speaker 5: I if they are really good or if they creter.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I really want that. I just want
Speaker 1: you to be happy.
Speaker 5: It's been a huge I can't imagine your weekend, you know,
Speaker 5: the world serious situation. You've got Aaron Rodgers playing for
Speaker 5: the Jets. I don't know these are loo could go wrong.
Speaker 4: We got our first lot, our reformed Monday Night football recap,
Speaker 4: the very first one whoa Shallon at Aaron Rodgers' debut, and.
Speaker 1: Our super producer Eric Roberts the Bills fans.
Speaker 3: So it's just going to be a lot of heat,
Speaker 3: a lot of heat on Monday Night.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the news.
Speaker 3: Let's start with Aaron Rodgers is a Jet because Zach
Speaker 3: Wilson failed as the number two overall pick in the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one overall In the twenty twenty one draft,
Speaker 3: one pick after Wilson was taken, Trey Lance came off
Speaker 3: the board to the Niners, who moved major assets to
Speaker 3: get Trey Lance. They saw Trey Lance, they being Kyle
Speaker 3: Shanahan and John Lynch, as the missing piece of really
Speaker 3: potentially a dynasty that they could build in San Francisco,
Speaker 3: And of course that has never happened. Injuries have been
Speaker 3: a major reason why, but Lance also has had opportunities,
Speaker 3: both on the field and behind the scenes to entrench
Speaker 3: himself in the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: It never happened.
Speaker 3: Sam Donald beat him out as the number two quarterback
Speaker 3: and now he's gone. The forty nine Ers traded Trey
Speaker 3: Lance the Cowboys for a twenty twenty four fourth round pick.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys take on Lance's entire salary that's five point
Speaker 3: three million guaranteed in twenty twenty four. The Cowboys now
Speaker 3: could also exercise that fifth round option for twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five down the road. Let's start with the forty nine
Speaker 3: Ers side of it, Greg, This is a team that
Speaker 3: were they were forced almost to be candid about this
Speaker 3: after the trade happened, that it just didn't work out,
Speaker 3: and it's one of the biggest I feel like gaffes
Speaker 3: for any team in the last five years or so.
Speaker 3: The fact that it's a one of the super teams
Speaker 3: in the league makes it even more kind of fascinating.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, and it's like fuel for like bad takes everywhere.
Speaker 4: I almost feel like, I don't like any takes coming
Speaker 4: out of this. I don't like the takes from the
Speaker 4: forty nine ers brass even like I watched the Kyle
Speaker 4: Shannon press conference and I thought he tried to be
Speaker 4: as honest as he could and he said, look, Sam
Speaker 4: Darnold really pulled away, that it wasn't that close, and
Speaker 4: that they were pleasantly surprised to get a fourth round pick.
Speaker 2: They weren't.
Speaker 4: They weren't even expecting to get something that good for
Speaker 4: Drey Lance. And I'm like, man, you were a Day
Speaker 4: three pick.
Speaker 2: That's like, let's not make a fourth round pick. During
Speaker 2: the draft.
Speaker 4: People are throwing around like like it's nothing. You throw
Speaker 4: it in just to move up in the third round.
Speaker 4: You got nothing for him. It was a disaster. I
Speaker 4: think after listening to him and Lynch talk about, I
Speaker 4: think part of it is Trey Lance the person is
Speaker 4: someone everyone really likes, and that's.
Speaker 2: Part of it.
Speaker 4: He like is brock Perty's closest friend on the team,
Speaker 4: which I think says a lot about both of those
Speaker 4: guys that they're like so tight and when they talk
Speaker 4: about each other you can tell you mean. And I
Speaker 4: think they were just trying to avoid their distraction and
Speaker 4: that it's a painful memory for Kyle Shanahan too, that
Speaker 4: they're embarrassed by it, and then it's just better off
Speaker 4: to just totally cut ties, take whatever you can for it.
Speaker 4: And the Cowboys, apparently, unlike other teams, stepped up with
Speaker 4: a fourth round pick, whereas maybe the earlier offers were
Speaker 4: with the fifth and sixth round pick, and from a
Speaker 4: forty nine Ers perspective, I think you had to do it,
Speaker 4: but let's not do the backslapping thing. Was like, it
Speaker 4: was like, hey, they took a gamble, no harm in
Speaker 4: that they took it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, you made a bad gamble.
Speaker 2: You know, you picked the wrong hard.
Speaker 5: And because the rest of the roster has worked out
Speaker 5: so well, and because Kyle Shanahan has a reputation for
Speaker 5: essentially taking you know, mid level quarterbacks and maximizing them,
Speaker 5: this black eye is easier for the Niners to kind
Speaker 5: of shrug off and move into the season because they're
Speaker 5: still seen as maybe the second best team in the conference,
Speaker 5: second or third. And I find it to be such
Speaker 5: a bizarre like subplot to this Niners regime because they
Speaker 5: have struggle in certain ways, and I mean there have
Speaker 5: been years where injuries derailed them at quarterback, but this
Speaker 5: is a this is a player that they simply couldn't develop,
Speaker 5: who if you look at all the rest of the
Speaker 5: guys that Shanahan has had in theory, on paper has
Speaker 5: higher potential, but no one's seen it. I mean, I
Speaker 5: think you know now that Cowboys adopt this puzzle to
Speaker 5: solve essentially, I mean, what's not to like from the
Speaker 5: Cowboys side, But the Niners have to walk away saying
Speaker 5: this is a player we couldn't figure out, but we have,
Speaker 5: We've seen him more than anyone, and we gave him
Speaker 5: away for next to nothing. The Bills, the Ravens, the
Speaker 5: Lions had some interest apparently. I mean, this is a
Speaker 5: black mark on the Niners organization, but I also don't
Speaker 5: freak out about it, because, yeah, you want team to
Speaker 5: go swing for the fences.
Speaker 1: In another world. Trey Lance state healthy and they depend.
Speaker 4: They also took Solomon Thomas over Patrick Mahomes when they
Speaker 4: desperately needed a quarterback and Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: You know, isn't it weird that they have a bit
Speaker 3: of a blind spot considering the offensive mastermind that's running
Speaker 3: the show. And I don't know if we have the
Speaker 3: exact what makes this even more painful than the Jets,
Speaker 3: for instance, missing on Wilson is that the forty nine
Speaker 3: ers moved into that sting aggressively. I'm looking at the
Speaker 3: original article when it came out. Nick Schuk wrote it
Speaker 3: on March twenty six, twenty twenty one. They traded up
Speaker 3: from twelve overall to third overall with the Dolphins. Miami
Speaker 3: received the twelfth pick, a third round pick, and first
Speaker 3: round picks in twenty two and twenty three, So they
Speaker 3: you have to be sure about that guy.
Speaker 1: And I guess the question I.
Speaker 3: Would have if I'm really from both sides, the fact
Speaker 3: that they never truly gave him a chance, like truly
Speaker 3: gave him a chance. If I'm a Cowboys fan or
Speaker 3: I'm the Dallas guy, I'm kind of tempering my expectations
Speaker 3: in the sense like if the forty nine ers are
Speaker 3: willing to give up on this guy, and Sam Donald's
Speaker 3: bounced around the league for a couple of years and
Speaker 3: he beat him out in camp, like this might be
Speaker 3: just a guy that's not a pro.
Speaker 5: I am convinced like this started to come into my
Speaker 5: mind a couple of weeks ago, Like I think Kyle
Speaker 5: Shanahan probably didn't Net was never on board with Trey
Speaker 5: Lance as much. I think that he and John Lynch
Speaker 5: might have been somewhere different on that front.
Speaker 1: But that can't happen, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I think of that magnitude they had to be in locks.
Speaker 4: I think they weren't locked up at the beginning, though
Speaker 4: they convinced him and he was on board at that time.
Speaker 2: They'd seen think that.
Speaker 5: Like Trey Lance never seemed like the most Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 5: ESQ quarterback to me. I think by the end of
Speaker 5: this process, if there were no backstory or value attached
Speaker 5: to it, that he seemed more comfortable with Brandon Allen
Speaker 5: as a number three than Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: And they moved on. I mean, they're just that.
Speaker 5: I think it seemed like they wanted to get rid
Speaker 5: of and dump the whole Trey Lance weekly questions, the
Speaker 5: weekly narrative around it, and just move on. And they
Speaker 5: did right by the player on that front.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a warning of like they were
Speaker 4: at the number twelve pick in the draft and they
Speaker 4: said as much over the weekend. We just didn't think
Speaker 4: we would be up there again. We thought this was
Speaker 4: our chance, we got to take a quarterback, this is
Speaker 4: the year to do it. But like some years, and
Speaker 4: that was a highly touted draft, they could have taken
Speaker 4: fields I Jones. My nuclear grade hot take is they
Speaker 4: might have won the Super Bowl there with Mac.
Speaker 1: Joe a couple of years to step on the clear.
Speaker 4: I actually think Mac Jones in San Francisco would have
Speaker 4: worked out like really well, but we'll never know, kind
Speaker 4: of like how I.
Speaker 3: Think Sam Donald will work out with San Francisco really well.
Speaker 3: And now he's just one heart beat away.
Speaker 2: From a Cowboys perspective.
Speaker 4: I don't hate that they took on the money like
Speaker 4: the forty nine or just stop trying to make it
Speaker 4: out that you did okay in this street to stop it.
Speaker 4: They tried to like, hey, we were surprised someone actually
Speaker 4: took his money. It's like, were you really He's making
Speaker 4: six million over this money that year. It's like he
Speaker 4: is making less per year than Mike White is for
Speaker 4: the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: So stop it on a one year deal basically, right,
Speaker 1: She want to keep.
Speaker 4: Him around, right, And I think it's worth to try
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys. And I don't think it says much
Speaker 4: about Dak, but I do think it's you know, you
Speaker 4: have to think about the possibility what if Dak gets
Speaker 4: hurt or what if Dak just had a disastrous year
Speaker 4: and he has sort of an out in his contract
Speaker 4: coming up after this year. I think it's way more
Speaker 4: likely that he gets that contract renegotiated because they would
Speaker 4: take on a ton of dead money if they tried
Speaker 4: to ever cut or obviously more likely trade Dak Press.
Speaker 5: Well, regardless, you know that you're gonna lose Dak for
Speaker 5: a number of games, probably the injury every season. I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's no proof that he's any
Speaker 5: better Trey Lance than Cooper Rush, but the potential is there.
Speaker 3: Let's hear from Dak Prescott, and you don't have to
Speaker 3: listen closely to here. He did not necessarily that he's
Speaker 3: unhappy about the move, but he didn't really need to
Speaker 3: be talking about it.
Speaker 1: But everybody's gonna ask him to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by anything anymore. You've been in this
Speaker 1: league eight years, been on this team. It's hard to
Speaker 1: say that I was surprised, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: And here is Jared Jones offering his take on things.
Speaker 3: Jerry did not consult many people on the front lines
Speaker 3: of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: According to his words, we.
Speaker 7: Didn't tell anybody until we did it.
Speaker 1: Period. There was nobody that knew it. We told my
Speaker 1: captter we've done it. But my point is we just.
Speaker 6: Wanted to get it done.
Speaker 4: Have you talked it back since then?
Speaker 1: No, I have not.
Speaker 4: Cathy, the head coach, Jared need to tell us he doesn't.
Speaker 3: But I think Jarah loves it. Jarah wants you to
Speaker 3: know that this is his decision. But you're right, you
Speaker 3: don't need to go out of your way to say
Speaker 3: that you kind of kept your head coach in the
Speaker 3: dark on who his number two quarterback is as well
Speaker 3: as Dak, who you have a very deep business relationship
Speaker 3: with at this point and personal relationship I would imagine,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 1: Mean Jerry Jones is the one owner of that.
Speaker 5: Jared sort of historically fawns over becomes friends with his
Speaker 5: players like his own sons.
Speaker 1: And to go out of your life, shall we read
Speaker 1: into that thing?
Speaker 5: I don't know, because I think you know, Dak is
Speaker 5: the one quarterback two of any that I can think
Speaker 5: of that any time you turn on any talking head show,
Speaker 5: they're talking about Dak Prescott. We're doing it right now.
Speaker 5: And it's like, I wonder if some of it's just
Speaker 5: rubbed off on him a little bit. It just seems
Speaker 5: to have the weight of the world on him to
Speaker 5: some degree.
Speaker 4: It's disappointing. I mean, it's disappointing for Cooper rush too,
Speaker 4: who what is he making this year. Let's see, he
Speaker 4: signed a two year contract for five million dollars, so
Speaker 4: that's basically nothing. I think he'll be the backup right now,
Speaker 4: but it might be something where if Dak Prescott got hurt,
Speaker 4: Cooper Rush comes into the game, but if Dak Prescott
Speaker 4: misses seven weeks, you're gonna give Trey Lance the chance
Speaker 4: to play for seven weeks and you have him for
Speaker 4: two more years. I think that's I think that's a
Speaker 4: good move. Dak's got to be thirty one. It's not
Speaker 4: like you would expect to ever move on from Dak.
Speaker 4: It's more like if an injury happens in a little
Speaker 4: bit of leverage, maybe in contract negotiations, but they would
Speaker 4: take on so much money, some of these quarterback contracts
Speaker 4: that the big guys are now signing, where they keep
Speaker 4: restructuring restructuring, like it would be very painful for the
Speaker 4: Cowboys to ever move on from Dak Prescott. Not to mention,
Speaker 4: what are the freaking odds that Trey Lance is gonna
Speaker 4: ever be better than Dak Prescott is at age thirty one,
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty small.
Speaker 3: The player that Dak is, I think is very small
Speaker 3: at this point, you know, circling back to what I
Speaker 3: said about the forty niners being willing to move on
Speaker 3: your your old boss Florio had wrote a post about
Speaker 3: you know, they just gave Zach market a top of
Speaker 3: the market contract. On the offensive line, Michael Parsons is
Speaker 3: gonna be up for a new deal soon and he's
Speaker 3: gonna be the highest played defensive player in the league.
Speaker 3: Potentially when that happens, so does Dak's contract and having
Speaker 3: to restructure him soon enough to make the Parsons deal work.
Speaker 3: Is this all something to keep an eye on. I
Speaker 3: think it's worth keeping an eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's a huge telling season for Dak Prescott and it
Speaker 5: is a very disappointing stretch drive year important year.
Speaker 3: Another news, Josh Jacobs and the Raiders are back in business.
Speaker 1: Similar vibes to Saquon and the Giants.
Speaker 3: The Raiders signed Jacobs to a one year, twelve million
Speaker 3: dollar contract. That's a nice little raise. He would have
Speaker 3: made just over ten million under the franchise tag. It
Speaker 3: sets him up well in the future as well. If
Speaker 3: the Raiders Mark want to tag him again next year,
Speaker 3: he gets kind of a top of the market one
Speaker 3: year deal, or they could choose to give him free agency,
Speaker 3: which is kind of what he's been wanting anyway, if
Speaker 3: he's not going to get paid to the value he
Speaker 3: believes he's worth. So Josh Jacobs back, hopefully the same
Speaker 3: way he was last year.
Speaker 5: I mean, it kind of goes back to me with
Speaker 5: the whole concept of the Raiders vision about who they
Speaker 5: are and who they want to be. That they made
Speaker 5: this very strong decision not to give him a fifth
Speaker 5: year option, which would have cost them eight million dollars,
Speaker 5: so they're now paying well more than that after a prolongated,
Speaker 5: controversial tit and tat here where in the end, Josh
Speaker 5: Jacob's like, now you roll him out in Week one.
Speaker 1: I hope he's healthy.
Speaker 5: I hope we don't get one of these situations where
Speaker 5: a guy didn't show up in the preseason and he's
Speaker 5: gonna deal with a lower body injury. But he's like
Speaker 5: critical to their team. They have they they they got
Speaker 5: themselves into this own mess. And I mean, also, if
Speaker 5: you're Josh Jacobs, though there was a chance like teams
Speaker 5: could have come and offered something. The Dolphins had a
Speaker 5: little bit of interest. Josh Jacobs is the latest running
Speaker 5: back to learn like teams aren't giving up much for
Speaker 5: any of you guys. Unfortunately sad for you, but like
Speaker 5: no one was coming with a monster deal that the
Speaker 5: Raiders would have ever accepted.
Speaker 4: He did well, though he is the first ever franchise
Speaker 4: tag player to successfully not show up. It's not technically
Speaker 4: a holdout since he was unsigned and get a raise.
Speaker 4: Saquon didn't. Really he got an incentives and it'll hit
Speaker 4: some of those probably it's like a million bucks a
Speaker 4: million point eight for saque but uh, Jacobs got it.
Speaker 4: Jacob's got an actual one point six million dollar rais
Speaker 4: off the franchise tag that's actually never happened. So that's something.
Speaker 4: And I think it's because of the owner. I think
Speaker 4: Mark Davis. He said, I'm so proud of him. He's
Speaker 4: the heartbeat of the team. You can read the tea
Speaker 4: leaves that Mark Davis was like, give this man a raise.
Speaker 4: I don't care what you think about running back. I
Speaker 4: just think it's something. But this is not at all
Speaker 4: what this group of running backs is seeking. These lists
Speaker 4: one year fix where then you have to go back
Speaker 4: out on the whole thing. It's like they want real
Speaker 4: deals and these are like short term, like we're desperate.
Speaker 4: It's your Zamir White and so yeah, we'll pay you
Speaker 4: in the eleventh hour. He's also a guy like didn't
Speaker 4: have a lot of like no one was doubting them
Speaker 4: declining his fifth year option. To put that in perspective,
Speaker 4: well he's been very up and yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you're curious, yeah, So he's making twelve
Speaker 3: this year. Derek Henry's making twelve and a half this
Speaker 3: year as part of his four for fifty.
Speaker 1: Contract he signed.
Speaker 3: If he did get tagged next year, that would be fourteen,
Speaker 3: which is just behind Alvin Kamara, who makes fifteen million
Speaker 3: as the third highest annual value salary in the league.
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey, it's sixteen million per years, number one.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Another news this came down a few minutes ago. The
Speaker 3: Cardinals man the tank is strong in Arizona and it
Speaker 3: is rolling over hope for the fans of the Redbirds.
Speaker 3: Colt McCoy will not be the starting quarterback this year.
Speaker 3: He won't even be on the team. After Arizona cut
Speaker 3: the veteran passer clearing the way Greg for I guess
Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs, who they literally just brought into the building
Speaker 3: come on Greg, don't say stop, this team ain't trying
Speaker 3: to win.
Speaker 4: But why do you assume Josh Dobbs or Clayton Tune
Speaker 4: or any worse than McCoy Colt. McCoy's thirty eight years
Speaker 4: old in a new system, and by all accounts, struggled
Speaker 4: throughout the practice.
Speaker 3: And even then he had the full off season, and
Speaker 3: he's a veteran, Like I felt like he might not
Speaker 3: play at a high level, but he would at least
Speaker 3: you know the playbook front and back right, and with
Speaker 3: Dobbs you're really like you're winging it.
Speaker 1: Let's say.
Speaker 4: So, their offensive coordinator is Drew Pittsing, who was with
Speaker 4: Dobbs last year, and so that helped in Cleveland. So
Speaker 4: that I think that was it that they I think
Speaker 4: they looked at McCoy and thought this was the other guy.
Speaker 4: You know, this was the previous regimes guy, and he
Speaker 4: was gonna have to probably play at a better level
Speaker 4: than he played at thirty eight years old for them
Speaker 4: to think, like, why don't we just play Clayton Tune.
Speaker 4: If there's not much difference between him, Let's play j
Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs and Clayton Tune. Clayton Tuon is a fifth
Speaker 4: round rookie who who I watched quite a bit in
Speaker 4: the preseason, and I would say he looked okay for
Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback in the preseas not great, but not terrible.
Speaker 5: He's clearly so they drafted him, so they're gonna probably
Speaker 5: favor him over cult McCoy. You mentioned the link with
Speaker 5: the OC and Dobbs, and you know, Dobbs was a
Speaker 5: guy that you know last year the Titans were like,
Speaker 5: we don't know much about you, but you want it.
Speaker 5: We need you to come in and win important for
Speaker 5: game games for us. Over Malik Willis down the stretch
Speaker 5: and he didn't look that bad. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: he's serviceable. He's older than people realize. He's been around.
Speaker 5: But I think for me, Kyler Murray on the PU,
Speaker 5: it's like okay, Like in if this was a team
Speaker 5: that went seven and one, like you roll Kyler Murray
Speaker 5: back into lineup, if we want to say they're not
Speaker 5: tanking or they're not doing whatever the word is, like
Speaker 5: if Kyler Murray never sees the field, we know what
Speaker 5: this team is doing. And how how do you in
Speaker 5: today's NFL though, how do you explain to anyone if
Speaker 5: we don't see Kyler Murray all season long, because you can,
Speaker 5: you can probably shroud it in some sort of like
Speaker 5: he's not fully healthy. But if they were a competitor,
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray would play this year, no doubt about it,
Speaker 5: and he probably won't.
Speaker 1: They traded for Josh Jobs three days ago. These are
Speaker 1: not serious people making serious.
Speaker 5: I'm absolutely with you right now. I'm very serious about
Speaker 5: getting the first.
Speaker 3: Yeah pick, like serious decisions about being competitive, and that's
Speaker 3: the guy. I feel bad for Jonathan Gannat because I
Speaker 3: feel like he's going to be put in a very
Speaker 3: difficult situation this year, and then you got to trust
Speaker 3: ownership to let you start over next year.
Speaker 2: I where are the wins coming from them?
Speaker 4: I think they were hopeful of like the tune McCoy
Speaker 4: combo and which is crazy to begin with, that they
Speaker 4: could last for a little while, and that it probably
Speaker 4: maybe neither were quite as good as they were hoping
Speaker 4: for and Dobbs they felt like it was a better option.
Speaker 4: But yes, if you're I've never heard of a late
Speaker 4: round pick swap for a week one NFL starter. Maybe
Speaker 4: it might be Clayton Toon, though I can't be sure,
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to win more than
Speaker 4: two games. Two good quarterbacks in this draft though, probably
Speaker 4: they're on an zero for watch for real.
Speaker 1: I mean it's almost it's so tough to do that,
Speaker 1: but I know it is. But just they're on the
Speaker 1: watch list.
Speaker 5: They do like like I want to see what this
Speaker 5: Rams team is, but like there's no other win on
Speaker 5: clear win on that schedule and they're at Houston.
Speaker 4: They got the Rams a couple of times. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's it's a tough stitch for Ryan Jensen and the Bucks.
Speaker 3: NFL networks Ian Rappaport reports that the knee injury that
Speaker 3: Jensen's suffered last year and tried to play through down
Speaker 3: the stretch.
Speaker 1: Is likely career ending. He was placed on IR.
Speaker 3: He'll miss the twenty twenty three season obviously, and it
Speaker 3: sounds like this is the end to the road for Jensen.
Speaker 3: Robert Hainesley, who filled in for him last year, now
Speaker 3: will slot in as the starting center this year. So
Speaker 3: good luck to Robert and Ryan. This at thirty two
Speaker 3: years old, Ryan Jensen, that is a u that's tough
Speaker 3: and we talked about it last week, Greg that the
Speaker 3: he rushed and came back and tried to play on
Speaker 3: the knee and the blowout loss to the Bucks, a
Speaker 3: blowout loss in the playoffs last year. Hopefully that doesn't
Speaker 3: that didn't come to play in terms of a long
Speaker 3: term issue.
Speaker 2: I mean it seems like it did.
Speaker 4: I mean, Jensen said, yeah, his heart was broken and
Speaker 4: he look, he was a friend of Tom Tom Brady,
Speaker 4: and Tom Brady helped him get that contract, which he
Speaker 4: ended up I think he got twenty two to twenty
Speaker 4: three million dollars guaranteed, ended up only playing one game
Speaker 4: with it, and he just you can't predict injuries. And
Speaker 4: he earned that money by playing great for years before that.
Speaker 4: But he tried to come back from an ACL MCL
Speaker 4: meniscus tear and a fractured cartilage and kneecap without surgery
Speaker 4: using a new method what they they called, I believe
Speaker 4: a like a futuristic method where they used stem cells
Speaker 4: from the umbilical cords of babies.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, that does not sound
Speaker 3: right there. That's you need to red flag that if
Speaker 3: you are Ryan Jensen or anyone that's that's no.
Speaker 1: It's like he'll be fair to the to the baby
Speaker 1: to be honest.
Speaker 2: And he played.
Speaker 4: He played that game, he played the playoff game, which
Speaker 4: was a this is not suicide.
Speaker 1: Sci fi channel that was not wise.
Speaker 5: It was not And plus you're six four three nineteen
Speaker 5: playing on an unsurgically repaired is.
Speaker 3: He just like an old umbilical cord like wrapped around
Speaker 3: his knee was knotted up?
Speaker 4: Like, No, I believe, I believe that's not how that
Speaker 4: it's it's stem cell treatments from the umbilical cords of babies,
Speaker 4: which look medical professionals, experts are the ones, uh that
Speaker 4: are doing this, but yeah that they were also donated
Speaker 4: by families of babies who were born by cesarean section
Speaker 4: in Antigua.
Speaker 2: I mean, none of this sounds good.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I thought you're going down a different road there. Okay,
Speaker 3: the healthy baby is born, Okay, Yeah, let's just move on.
Speaker 4: That offensive line, which was really good for a while
Speaker 4: with Tom Brady. To me, is a huge question mark
Speaker 4: in front of Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3: Look out jobs won at the end of training camp
Speaker 3: and and preseason Mackai Beckton. His audition at right tackle
Speaker 3: went well enough where it looks like Roberts is going
Speaker 3: to give him the right tackle job.
Speaker 1: Good luck there. C J. Stroud with Houston.
Speaker 3: He's been playing with the number ones all throughout the
Speaker 3: spring and summer and preseason, so no surprise.
Speaker 1: He is now officially the QB one.
Speaker 3: For the Texans. Transactions Alert Walker.
Speaker 1: On first out, older George left now.
Speaker 6: Walker fires down field looking for DJ Moore, didn't catch
Speaker 6: pro Panthers touchdown. WHOA sixty two yours Carolina.
Speaker 1: That's tied the game.
Speaker 3: Brilliant throw by PJ. Walker, But the Chicago Bears Greg
Speaker 3: and I know that throw.
Speaker 1: Means a lot too.
Speaker 2: It was one of the greatest throws in NFL history.
Speaker 3: He was unable to hang around, hang around and be
Speaker 3: the backup to Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: Cut loose by the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2: It's pretty shocking.
Speaker 4: They gave I think two two million dollars guaranteed, so
Speaker 4: I guess the thought of cutting him this early is
Speaker 4: maybe another team picks him up and then the money
Speaker 4: offsets because he's he's probably gonna get another job.
Speaker 2: But yes, I'm sad for PJ.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was a great, hell of
Speaker 1: a throw.
Speaker 2: Hell a throw Tyson Badgin.
Speaker 4: Maybe from Shepherd the Division three Shepherd might be their backup,
Speaker 4: or it might be Nathan Peterman.
Speaker 2: I mean, what a combination.
Speaker 5: They he played all right in the preseason. I think
Speaker 5: that's why PJ. Yeah in the street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's those Sheriff's fans. You know.
Speaker 3: I do not want to see Badgeant on the field
Speaker 3: in any capacity this season. The Rams trade for starting
Speaker 3: guard Kevin Dotson uh and the Pats also add two
Speaker 3: tackles to the mix of their names.
Speaker 4: Greg Oh my gosh, well, I gotta go look Tyrone Wheatley.
Speaker 1: Tyrone Wheatley the old running back.
Speaker 5: For Darien Lowe are the two names. I mean, no,
Speaker 5: it's not the same person one was. Yeah, the sixth
Speaker 5: round pick. I think at the Vikings hear go. Their
Speaker 5: their offensive line is is a mess. They've been just
Speaker 5: really injured. They had questions. Anyways, they have a new
Speaker 5: offensive line coach.
Speaker 4: The the scar of losing Dante Scarnekia has the scarneck. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's got me worried. It's not about the facts that
Speaker 4: thes have his son. Yeah, that's where he's like, that's
Speaker 4: right there, head.
Speaker 3: Of operations, Yeah, of something of some type of strange title.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 4: The Patriots starting rate tackles probably like a fourth round
Speaker 4: rookie who's looked bad in the preseason and is hurt also,
Speaker 4: so they are scrambling. I'm not sure who is starting
Speaker 4: week one. Oh, by the way, they play the equals oofah.
Speaker 1: Finally, let's head to kicker corner. Let's go to the club.
Speaker 1: Nobody likes to go to the club on Monday. I do,
Speaker 1: Cade York, no good.
Speaker 3: Bro the Browns kicker who struggled last year struggled again
Speaker 3: throughout training camp of preseason cut loose, So Cleveland's looking
Speaker 3: for a kicker. The Titans also without a kicker right now,
Speaker 3: let me just throw out there.
Speaker 1: Hey, Robbie Gold still looking for a job. The Niners.
Speaker 3: Also speaking of Robbie Gold, the Niners Moody the guy
Speaker 3: that they invested a high draft pick, and he's beat up.
Speaker 3: His backup also beat up, so they have questions there too. Robbie,
Speaker 3: do not pick up the phone if John Lynch calls.
Speaker 3: He was disrespect in the first place, but go to
Speaker 3: one of these other places.
Speaker 5: I think Gold like I would take Robbie Gold in
Speaker 5: the second The Browns, though, traded a twenty twenty five
Speaker 5: to seventh round pick to the Chargers for Dustin Hopkins.
Speaker 1: So in theory, that's their guy.
Speaker 5: Dustin Hopkins was far from perfect either, but watching cade
Speaker 5: Yorke melt down this preseason.
Speaker 1: Couldn't bring him back.
Speaker 5: I mean it was rough like that. Did you see
Speaker 5: the final kick against the Chiefs. This was a chance
Speaker 5: to go kick. It was a manageable game winning field
Speaker 5: goal with less than a minute to go. Bart not
Speaker 5: gonna put Patrick Mahomes back in there at the Chiefs
Speaker 5: they're done and low kick deflected away locked.
Speaker 1: Oh, just a mess and just you kind of knew
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 3: You know, the layman's gonna blame that on the line,
Speaker 3: But many times it's the kicker kick he's been off,
Speaker 3: gotta leva fine and you knew he was gone.
Speaker 5: And it's like they that was the highest one hundred
Speaker 5: and twenty fourth pick, fourth round, twenty twenty two draft.
Speaker 1: That that doesn't happen that often.
Speaker 4: It's the highest kicker drafted, I think in six years,
Speaker 4: since twenty sixteen. And this is why you gotta be
Speaker 4: careful on the old tweets on Twitter, Brown's sent out
Speaker 4: a tweet. I believe after week one, Eric's gonna fly
Speaker 4: up on the YouTube. That's why you draft a kicker
Speaker 4: when kd or hid that game with things changed fast.
Speaker 1: Not a coincidence. That was sent on nine to eleven.
Speaker 5: We have another Browns tweet that was quite a problem
Speaker 5: today if we I believe there we go Happy birthday
Speaker 5: to offensive guard Michael Dunn, who hours later and we've
Speaker 5: encountered this Dan multiple times was cut by the organization
Speaker 5: and that tweets later that day, yeah, hours later.
Speaker 4: Why can't these two sides speak. You gotta have a
Speaker 4: social writer at the meetings. They got to be in
Speaker 4: there with the personnel chiefs. I mean, Jerry's got to
Speaker 4: tell everything. You don't tell Michae McCarthy, but you at
Speaker 4: least tell the social team that step can't be missed.
Speaker 3: That you can't. You can't because they literally ruined his birthday, right,
Speaker 3: don't send out a tweet. It is like the worst birthday.
Speaker 3: You're mocking him. Michael Donne, Hey, Michael Dunn, No if
Speaker 3: ans or butts here, happy birthday from us.
Speaker 1: We wish that.
Speaker 4: I hope and I think he might get another job.
Speaker 4: He's he played a bunch for them. He's kind of
Speaker 4: connected to the podcast industry. His wife I happen to
Speaker 4: know as the producer of the Birds with Friends podcasts.
Speaker 2: How about that features our friend of the show, Bo
Speaker 2: Wolf and Zach Berman.
Speaker 1: It's a small world. The layman might not know that Mark,
Speaker 1: So yeah, well it's not usy'd be a layman.
Speaker 2: I think some teams out there need some blocking.
Speaker 3: One more plug. The guy's a millionaire, but I'm going
Speaker 3: to give him the plug anyway. Robbie Gould Lifetime, He's
Speaker 3: forty years old, made over eighty four percent of his
Speaker 3: kicks last year for the forty nine ers, and in
Speaker 3: the postseason the Browns. I would imagine Mark fashion themselves
Speaker 3: a team that could compete in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Well, they've got Hopkins. I think that they made their move.
Speaker 5: But I think they do, and that's one of the
Speaker 5: reasons they weren't going to risk the kid York thing,
Speaker 5: even though a week ago they were talking like Rabel.
Speaker 1: Probably they see themselves as playing meaningful ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I literally don't have a kicker.
Speaker 3: Robbie Gold twenty nine for twenty nine in field goals
Speaker 3: in the postseason, thirty nine for thirty nine and extra
Speaker 3: points sixteen games in his career, sixteen playoff games, has
Speaker 3: never missed it. I think it's AGM. I think it's
Speaker 3: in there. It's who goes touchbacks enough.
Speaker 4: I would be worried too if you're the Browns, like
Speaker 4: taking the loser of a Chargers kicking competition.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that seem feels I know Cameron Dicker is a good,
Speaker 5: good kicker, but ominous.
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Speaker 5: So there's three of us and like, probably someone's gonna
Speaker 5: have to step in and break, you know, ties between
Speaker 5: person A and person B's picking two games, and then
Speaker 5: what if the third person votes a third game?
Speaker 1: How do we decide? I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 5: I mean it's gonna be I can just see already,
Speaker 5: like the Powers, you know, with the power wrestling.
Speaker 1: What if it's all one one one, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, leave it up to our silent.
Speaker 3: Name of the hat.
Speaker 5: You could we could put it out as a as
Speaker 5: a poll or something though maybe which would drew.
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: He doesn't speak though, we would never get it out
Speaker 3: of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll figure it out. That's for us to figure
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Speaker 3: My voice maybe a little off screaming in the local
Speaker 3: fields of the Southland.
Speaker 5: Nobody could discredit your enthusiasm.
Speaker 3: Now that preseason is over, now the training camp is over.
Speaker 1: Are there any thoughts? We've got a big week coming up.
Speaker 3: By the way, I want to express this before we
Speaker 3: get to the final conversation of this show, we have
Speaker 3: two of our favorite shows. In fact, you know who
Speaker 3: reached out to me. I'm not tone tails out of
Speaker 3: school here, right. I told you guys about this last night,
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, out of the blue. You know who
Speaker 3: text me? No, Scott Hansen. You know what Scott Hansen
Speaker 3: wanted to know?
Speaker 1: You know who? Scott Hansen? I think anyone who's an
Speaker 1: American one.
Speaker 4: Red Zone the voice which you can you can also
Speaker 4: get on NFL Plus.
Speaker 3: Bang plug it Baby Hanson checkson with hands us and
Speaker 3: guess what he wants to know when around the AFC
Speaker 3: and around the NFC is rolling out on our podcast?
Speaker 3: Says I've been catching up on pods. When's it rolling out?
Speaker 3: And I said, well, Wednesday Baby, and Thursday Baby, AFC
Speaker 3: and NFC with special guests.
Speaker 1: And he's like, thanks for the info.
Speaker 4: He's like, this is the show that really the host
Speaker 4: of the first football Sunday for the entire country. These
Speaker 4: are the shows he needs to listen to before he
Speaker 4: feels prepared to welcome the entire country into his Hansonian insanity.
Speaker 3: And he famously does not relieve himself during the Red
Speaker 3: Zone telecast. And what I almost replied to him, I
Speaker 3: wanted to kind of take the relationship a little further said,
Speaker 3: I relieved myself constantly during ATM tapings fifteen times a show.
Speaker 3: We got to stop down and old Zeuser's got to
Speaker 3: take care of the prostate. We know, I mean it is,
Speaker 3: it's it's become a major issue and impediment for the show.
Speaker 1: So but that would guys are polar opposites from that
Speaker 1: part of the buckle.
Speaker 3: And he had our last names very similar. Think about that?
Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about that?
Speaker 1: No? Yours?
Speaker 5: This moret of like an archaic European version of his recognized.
Speaker 1: Version, exactly like I could have.
Speaker 3: I could have had forefathers that got off the boat
Speaker 3: at Ellis Island and they said, no, bro, you're Hanson now.
Speaker 1: So I duck that one. I like the originality of
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 5: Did he mention like your co hosts on the in
Speaker 5: the text thread mentioned Greg, well, you know I saw
Speaker 5: Scott Hanson a couple of weeknds ago. I had some
Speaker 5: friends to give him a little tour, and like, he
Speaker 5: couldn't have been nicer.
Speaker 1: So he and I are in a good place, good, good, good,
Speaker 1: great place, excellent, excellent.
Speaker 3: So around the AFC, around the NFC in forty eight
Speaker 3: minutes each coming up later this week with our good
Speaker 3: friends Patrick, Clayban and Shook is back.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 3: Nick Schuck is going to join us and do the NFC. Also,
Speaker 3: we're going to do our season predictions award predictions. Did
Speaker 3: you guys get your copy in?
Speaker 1: By the way? Oh yeah, I gonna mention here.
Speaker 3: I feel like last year one of us didn't and
Speaker 3: maybe cause that issue one of you guys.
Speaker 1: I remember, I did it. I think I needed an
Speaker 1: extension though it might have been you. No, I had it.
Speaker 1: I was in.
Speaker 4: I sent I did it. That we're going to drop
Speaker 4: on Monday morning. It's like, oh, the rest of the
Speaker 4: world tease, It's like the rest of the world, Oh,
Speaker 4: Labor Day. Actually the rest of the world is like, what,
Speaker 4: you have a holiday and you know what it is
Speaker 4: for us day? Yeah, today, we'll be dropping it those
Speaker 4: awards predictions on Monday, Labor Day. Pick who wins the
Speaker 4: super Bowl, super.
Speaker 3: Bowl Picks, award picks, any other predictions that we want
Speaker 3: to share that's coming up. All right, final thoughts on
Speaker 3: the summer That was Greg right before training camp started.
Speaker 3: I remember we had a conversation and a segment on
Speaker 3: the shows like what matters? What should the discerning smart
Speaker 3: football fan be paying attention to at the beginning of
Speaker 3: training camp. What's something at the end of training camp
Speaker 3: now that we should be keeping tabs on as Week
Speaker 3: one rapidly approaches.
Speaker 4: The injuries, to me are always the biggest thing, So
Speaker 4: I tried to look at the bigger picture. The Dolphins
Speaker 4: starting camp with Jalen Ramsey getting hurt to me, was
Speaker 4: as big as story as there's been. And then for
Speaker 4: a cascade of injuries in the secondary along with Jalen
Speaker 4: Ramsey after that, Like that's one team. I just feel
Speaker 4: a little differently about like that actually mattered that going
Speaker 4: into the season. I think the Dolphins are a little
Speaker 4: thinner and a little more suspect on defense and X.
Speaker 5: But I'd say outside of like what's happened to Denver's
Speaker 5: wide receiver corps, like the Dolphins a couple months ago,
Speaker 5: and this is so happens every year to a couple
Speaker 5: teams of dotting the teams just like they looked complete everywhere,
Speaker 5: and like toront Armstead has has that issues guys on
Speaker 5: defense and it's like, you know, a couple fortnights later
Speaker 5: and like there's holes there and like you in that
Speaker 5: division with that schedule, Miami is not as sure of
Speaker 5: a thing, and.
Speaker 4: I hesitate to react too much this. I wouldn't have
Speaker 4: brought this up because I don't know if this part matters.
Speaker 4: But like I don't think to had a great camp,
Speaker 4: just based on the reports on the.
Speaker 2: Scene that he was a little too also, no, not
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 4: Just that he was a little up and down, and
Speaker 4: I you know he was. He played a lot in
Speaker 4: the preseason, and I think I think they were trying
Speaker 4: to work some things out a little bit, maybe that
Speaker 4: he had a little bit uneven of a start a
Speaker 4: year or two.
Speaker 1: He I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Though he's had some just remarkably efficient runs when he's
Speaker 3: been healthy on the field, he's also had some really
Speaker 3: bad stretches and bad games if you kind of go
Speaker 3: by his game log, I don't think he's sure of
Speaker 3: a short slam dunk that he's going to play at
Speaker 3: a high level. I'm kind of in a similar boat
Speaker 3: and that and that, you know, the New England side
Speaker 3: of things as well, if we want to stick in
Speaker 3: the AFC eas for a little bit. Their ability to
Speaker 3: have a full training camp and preseason with Mac Jones
Speaker 3: being the guy and O'Brien being the lead, What did
Speaker 3: you take out of the Patriots? Do you feel any
Speaker 3: better about their offense compared to this time last year?
Speaker 4: Yes, except for the offensive line, which is a big
Speaker 4: except for I kind of like what they're getting out
Speaker 4: of kish On Booty to Mario, like, I actually think
Speaker 4: they have enough sneaky. One of the big stories was
Speaker 4: Zappi looked bad in practice and camp there was never
Speaker 4: and in the games there was certainly never any battle.
Speaker 4: I think they're a very frisky team if they get
Speaker 4: some protection.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like the reporting around the offense
Speaker 5: has been just underwhelming from wire to wire, and it.
Speaker 4: Got a little better I think towards the end. In term,
Speaker 4: I think they have enough there.
Speaker 2: But we'll see.
Speaker 5: That's two teams in the AFC. EA still that everyone
Speaker 5: wants to, you know, throw everyone in the playoffs. But
Speaker 5: it's like the Jets and the Patriots have big offensive
Speaker 5: line question marks.
Speaker 4: You guys must have experienced it doing these predictions, Like
Speaker 4: man at the AFCs loaded, it's hard to leave out
Speaker 4: some of these teams that you're going to make it.
Speaker 5: I know one team that I named as a division
Speaker 5: winner because you know, a couple of months ago at
Speaker 5: this started to get into the mind that this.
Speaker 1: Team might be being overlooked.
Speaker 5: I cannot think of a team that offensively had a
Speaker 5: more I wouldn't say outrageous, but just pretty clean from
Speaker 5: wire to wire.
Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers think they mattered.
Speaker 5: I think they mattered because I think there's a team
Speaker 5: that you could have said, well, we like Pittsburgh because
Speaker 5: of Tomlin, but we don't trust Kenny Pickett. And you
Speaker 5: have no idea if the offensive line is going to
Speaker 5: work or if the whole attack's going to eat me
Speaker 5: anything more than like a bowl of an ill ice cream.
Speaker 1: And they came out on just execute it over and over.
Speaker 5: And I thought to Picket, if it's the preseason, so
Speaker 5: it's like, fine, but if you get that version of him,
Speaker 5: if anything, he's not turning the ball over. He's super clean,
Speaker 5: Like he totally has chemistry with Pickens and the rest
Speaker 5: of those guys.
Speaker 1: And so I picked them as my.
Speaker 5: Division winner, over the Bengals, over the Ravens, over the Browns.
Speaker 4: Over here that was it's random, fell little teeth well, because.
Speaker 5: You know what, because a lot of times you'll see, yeah,
Speaker 5: really you're like saying they're gonna be good, but you're
Speaker 5: not gonna do anything about it.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm doing so trust us we do.
Speaker 3: After what you said in the summer and then they
Speaker 3: had a nice preseason, You're.
Speaker 5: Probably have them in the super Bowl. Twelve and five,
Speaker 5: you have them the super Bowl. No, I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: reveal that answer right now. You got to leave.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I think they found an That's never.
Speaker 1: What I said initially about them. I think they're just a.
Speaker 3: I I listen, that preseason was perfect for them.
Speaker 1: Now I can't wait.
Speaker 3: In fact, when we do our draft, which is coming
Speaker 3: up week one draft?
Speaker 1: Wow, can you believe it? Next week?
Speaker 3: I know, Mark, you're gonna be hot in the pants
Speaker 3: for that ten am Steelers Niners. That's absolutely But you
Speaker 3: better hope the draft goes your way, aren't you. I
Speaker 3: want to do because I want to see the Steelers.
Speaker 3: I want to see that offense and action against a
Speaker 3: real defense. What's that's trying with its first team?
Speaker 5: That would be a real tone setter for you to
Speaker 5: take that game away from me, like, well into our.
Speaker 2: First draft, well you can't.
Speaker 4: He First of all, the Jets are in primtim so
Speaker 4: he doesn't have to worry about that, right, so he
Speaker 4: just goes.
Speaker 5: And plucks this. Well, I'll do the old I'll be
Speaker 5: watching the universe.
Speaker 3: Of I on now that it would be coroel to
Speaker 3: take the Steelers away from Mark Ceils.
Speaker 1: Let's hit. I'm down with this, Niners. It's like a
Speaker 1: huge aspect to that. That's a fetish of yours, I understand.
Speaker 3: But that's a great game and I can't wait to see.
Speaker 3: But it's also another test of what drives me so
Speaker 3: crazy about this time of year is people get so
Speaker 3: worked up right about teams that do well in the preseason,
Speaker 3: and then you don't have that that mindset of like.
Speaker 1: Nobody's really trying. It doesn't matter right.
Speaker 4: Well, well, like the Ravens, for instance, it didn't get
Speaker 4: nearly the pop in the preseason. They lost their starters.
Speaker 4: Yeah they lost again. Uh oh, this thing, this boat
Speaker 4: is taking on water. They didn't get a lot of
Speaker 4: pop in terms of the camp reports. Their starters didn't
Speaker 4: play in the preseason. But I actually look at that
Speaker 4: and I look for the most part, there haven't been
Speaker 4: massive game changing injuries around the league.
Speaker 2: Burrow, we assume it is gonna be totally fine for
Speaker 2: week one.
Speaker 4: Like I actually look at their camp now and think, look,
Speaker 4: they got to week one with this receiver group healthy,
Speaker 4: that JK. Dobbins did return in time, Like that was
Speaker 4: a concern going into it in July, and like even
Speaker 4: though we have no idea what's gonna happen, Like Flowers
Speaker 4: looks pretty good, Bateman and obj are healthy. Like they
Speaker 4: got to week one with everything intact, which for that
Speaker 4: team is a win. They brought in Clowny, So like,
Speaker 4: to me, that's a win for the Ravens in terms
Speaker 4: of the preseason. That mattered that none of those guys
Speaker 4: are hurt when you actually think they're gonna be hurt.
Speaker 4: I think the Panthers had a bad preseason, Okay, I
Speaker 4: Kanmu keeps struggling. He gave up another sack, Like this
Speaker 4: is three straight weeks, and their receiver group is pretty
Speaker 4: banged up and not impressive even if they weren't branged up,
Speaker 4: like they're slow. I have a little more concern about
Speaker 4: Bryce Young and that offense that I did come in
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 3: And the fact that this cult situation and we're coming
Speaker 3: up on tomorrow is the self imposed deadline.
Speaker 1: Right on cut day for the Colts with Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3: The fact that that you look at the Raiders, they
Speaker 3: got Josh Jacobs situation under control. Here, it's going to
Speaker 3: be very tough for the Colts with a rookie wide,
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback and Anthony Richardson. If this is going to
Speaker 3: continue to hang over this team. Does this get done?
Speaker 3: Maybe by the time you hear this podcast Jonathan Taylor's traded.
Speaker 3: I also thought I didn't really share it last week,
Speaker 3: but you know, sometimes you could sniff this stuff out,
Speaker 3: like that report that there were all these different teams
Speaker 3: interested in Taylor that could have been sent out, you know,
Speaker 3: to Wavers and trying to make this a thing, even
Speaker 3: when it's not necessarily a thing.
Speaker 1: Is that guy even healthy? Where are the Colts?
Speaker 3: And you look at the AFC South in general, it
Speaker 3: just it's kind of a tough division to make sense
Speaker 3: of because you have the Colts, as I said, with
Speaker 3: a rookie quarterback, you got Houston Texans or the rookie
Speaker 3: quarterback the Tennessee Titans. Everybody's kind of saying they're on
Speaker 3: the downswing now. But you know, unless you're really high
Speaker 3: in the Jaguars Titans could hang around. That's why I
Speaker 3: shouldn't have bang the under the Colts.
Speaker 5: Like, so, this is a player who is revered as
Speaker 5: like the guy in the locker room, your star running
Speaker 5: back is like considered one of the best dudes around
Speaker 5: for every person talks about him that way. What are
Speaker 5: you saying to like everyone else in the organization when
Speaker 5: it's like we're we're willing to shop this guy, go
Speaker 5: into the season without the core of our offense and
Speaker 5: like after a last year's organizational meltdown, I mean you
Speaker 5: thought that, you know, you repset things you bring in
Speaker 5: Stike in like Stiking's gonna have a vision, You give
Speaker 5: Stiking what he needs to succeed, and instead you're in
Speaker 5: this prolonged like battle with the best player.
Speaker 1: On your team.
Speaker 5: I think it's like it's a weird message to everyone
Speaker 5: involved about what the cults hope to achieve based on
Speaker 5: really just a couple of million, millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: It's a bad way to start the season.
Speaker 1: And my last one is bad vibes. It's good if
Speaker 1: you're a forty nine Ers fan. The brock party thing
Speaker 1: went as well as possible. That mattered that that really
Speaker 1: absolutely matter.
Speaker 3: That he got on the field for practice, first coops
Speaker 3: played in the preseason, no setbacks. The Trey Lance thing
Speaker 3: was a cloud hanging over the organization and they move
Speaker 3: him out U And now you have Sam Donald, who
Speaker 3: they like behind Party and it's all systems go with
Speaker 3: an offense that is gonna be ready to roll. I
Speaker 3: really think no matter who the quarterback is, so they
Speaker 3: have clarity at that spot because Donald is a locked
Speaker 3: and loaded back up. They showed their faith in Party
Speaker 3: and they got Trey Lance out of there, which I
Speaker 3: think was necessary.
Speaker 1: So if I'm a San.
Speaker 3: Francisco forty nine Ers fan, I'm like, Okay, good, we
Speaker 3: know what's going on here. We don't have anything else
Speaker 3: with this team standing in the way of making that
Speaker 3: run and finally getting over the hump and getting back
Speaker 3: to the super Bowl and winning the thing.
Speaker 4: Well except for one guy. He's up in the Pacific
Speaker 4: Northwest Gino. I don't know about that offensive line better.
Speaker 4: All right, let's you know what, let's sit down the side.
Speaker 4: I know there's too many weak one.
Speaker 1: Around the AFC and around the NFC.
Speaker 3: We don't want to stomp on the new of those
Speaker 3: conversations about these teams.
Speaker 1: Yep, save it. That would disappoint Scott Hanson. We cannot
Speaker 1: do that, No need to. All right, that's it. How
Speaker 1: are you doing? Eric? How's your thumb? By the way,
Speaker 1: thumb check Robert's thumb check.
Speaker 2: Actually, it's supposed to be getting stitches out today, so.
Speaker 5: Well that's gonna be telling to see what the what
Speaker 5: it looks like. Whatever's happened to me?
Speaker 1: Growth yet?
Speaker 2: I mean it's scabbed over pretty nice.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think you need a daily update
Speaker 4: on the growth. It's gonna take.
Speaker 3: I do take Mark is Also, this is just from
Speaker 3: a human like the evolution. I know your anti Darwinism, Greg,
Speaker 3: but like I want to know if we're dealing with
Speaker 3: something new.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just being actual.
Speaker 5: Doctor said that his thumb would just literally grow back.
Speaker 1: That's news. That was news.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna happen. I have faith in you.
Speaker 4: I have faith in your thumb. But it's not gonna
Speaker 4: be like it grows an extra inch every day.
Speaker 2: It's gotta take a little while.
Speaker 7: Right, like those I said, those stats about like glaciers,
Speaker 7: like it's moving at an incredible pace. It's like a
Speaker 7: centimeter and you know every five years.
Speaker 3: You know, Rosenthal is always like on and on about
Speaker 3: Adam and even the Guardian and everything. I think that
Speaker 3: we might be dealing with our producer here, that this
Speaker 3: is the next stage of evolution and it starts in
Speaker 3: the kitchen with an accident and it turns into a revolution.
Speaker 1: It's exciting for our show.
Speaker 7: If nothing else, If I can bring anything, I hope
Speaker 7: it's a fun talking point for the next year.
Speaker 1: So Greg, go ahead, What.
Speaker 2: Else do I have to say?
Speaker 4: Maybe he'll be the next like Pedro Martinez that thumb's
Speaker 4: gonna come back like three inches longer.
Speaker 1: And Eric I thought you were gonna have an Adam
Speaker 1: and Eve tap.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, love those guys.
Speaker 3: All right, that's it, Like you said Wednesday around the
Speaker 3: AFC in exactly forty eight minutes with Patrick Clayban.
Speaker 1: Now that sothing to be excited about.
Speaker 3: We're getting closer. Football is back mostly not really, but soon.
Speaker 1: Here's the goll