1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:23,275 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. While 2 00:00:23,395 --> 00:00:27,075 Speaker 1: Jack Smith was confirming the previous indications that he had 3 00:00:27,115 --> 00:00:29,915 Speaker 1: a rocket docket in his pocket. He wants the Trump 4 00:00:29,915 --> 00:00:33,435 Speaker 1: Insurrection trial to start one hundred and forty five days 5 00:00:33,435 --> 00:00:39,355 Speaker 1: from now, on January second. It may be theoretically almost academic. 6 00:00:40,035 --> 00:00:46,755 Speaker 1: Two prominent Federalists Society constitutional lawyers and the co chairman 7 00:00:47,155 --> 00:00:52,595 Speaker 1: and co founder of the Federalist Society say Trump is 8 00:00:52,715 --> 00:00:58,315 Speaker 1: not eligible to run for president, let alone be elected president, 9 00:00:58,515 --> 00:01:03,275 Speaker 1: let alone serve as president, because of the exclusion clause 10 00:01:03,435 --> 00:01:07,355 Speaker 1: of the fourteenth Amendments, and that somebody should sue to 11 00:01:07,555 --> 00:01:11,115 Speaker 1: make sure he does not somehow sneak back into the 12 00:01:11,155 --> 00:01:18,315 Speaker 1: White House. Yes, that Federalist Society, Yes that fourteenth Amendment, 13 00:01:18,395 --> 00:01:24,555 Speaker 1: and yes that Trump quote Donald Trump cannot be president, 14 00:01:24,995 --> 00:01:30,355 Speaker 1: cannot run for president, cannot become president, cannot hold office 15 00:01:30,955 --> 00:01:34,235 Speaker 1: unless two thirds of Congress designs to grant him amnesty 16 00:01:34,475 --> 00:01:38,315 Speaker 1: for his conduct on January sixth, unquote. And that is 17 00:01:38,355 --> 00:01:43,075 Speaker 1: from Will Bawd, Faculty, director of the Constitutional Law Institute 18 00:01:43,075 --> 00:01:46,555 Speaker 1: at the University of Chicago Law School. And I'll say 19 00:01:46,555 --> 00:01:51,835 Speaker 1: this again, member of the Federalist Society and not just that, 20 00:01:51,875 --> 00:01:55,635 Speaker 1: but six years ago winner of the Federalist Society Award 21 00:01:55,675 --> 00:01:58,675 Speaker 1: for the Best Young Law Professor, the award they once 22 00:01:58,715 --> 00:02:02,115 Speaker 1: gave to that guy John Hugh who told George Bush 23 00:02:02,115 --> 00:02:07,195 Speaker 1: it was okay to torture people. Professor Bowd was summarizing 24 00:02:07,595 --> 00:02:10,075 Speaker 1: for The New York Times an article that he and 25 00:02:10,115 --> 00:02:13,795 Speaker 1: Professor Michael Stokes Paulson will publish next year in the 26 00:02:13,875 --> 00:02:18,635 Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania Law Review. And as academic anstogiy and 27 00:02:18,835 --> 00:02:24,635 Speaker 1: theoretical and diletentish as this all sounds. These guys and 28 00:02:24,675 --> 00:02:26,595 Speaker 1: maybe I forgot to mention this, they're both in the 29 00:02:26,635 --> 00:02:33,795 Speaker 1: Federalist Society. They think it should be made really really real. Quote. 30 00:02:34,595 --> 00:02:37,635 Speaker 1: There are many ways that this could become a lawsuit 31 00:02:38,075 --> 00:02:42,675 Speaker 1: presenting a vital constitutional issue that potentially the Supreme Court 32 00:02:42,715 --> 00:02:47,715 Speaker 1: would want to hear and decide, said Professor Paulson of 33 00:02:47,755 --> 00:02:52,675 Speaker 1: the Federalist Society, and this Paulson is a Distinguished University 34 00:02:52,755 --> 00:02:56,115 Speaker 1: Chair and professor of Constitutional law and Federal Courts and 35 00:02:56,195 --> 00:02:58,475 Speaker 1: at the University of Saint Thomas in Minnesota. It says 36 00:02:58,555 --> 00:03:02,195 Speaker 1: on his resume his thirty five page resume that his 37 00:03:02,275 --> 00:03:07,955 Speaker 1: other expertises are church and state and abortion slash right 38 00:03:08,035 --> 00:03:14,115 Speaker 1: to life. This ain't Ruth Bader Ginsburg speaking here. And oh, 39 00:03:14,155 --> 00:03:17,675 Speaker 1: by the way, his co author, Professor Bode He used 40 00:03:17,715 --> 00:03:21,555 Speaker 1: to clerk for Chief Justice Roberts, and Bode gave the 41 00:03:21,595 --> 00:03:24,955 Speaker 1: Harvard Law School scale e lecture five months ago with 42 00:03:25,115 --> 00:03:28,515 Speaker 1: Scullia's widow in the audience, and I don't think she 43 00:03:28,635 --> 00:03:32,795 Speaker 1: wound up throwing anything at him. And these guys are 44 00:03:32,795 --> 00:03:37,235 Speaker 1: not just spitting in the wind. Stephen Calibrazy, co chairman 45 00:03:37,275 --> 00:03:40,555 Speaker 1: of the Federalist Society, co founder of the Federalist Society, 46 00:03:40,915 --> 00:03:44,435 Speaker 1: says the Bode Paulson article is quote a tour de 47 00:03:44,675 --> 00:03:49,315 Speaker 1: force unquote, which proves and again I'm quoting him, co 48 00:03:49,435 --> 00:03:55,235 Speaker 1: founder of the Federalist Society, quote, Trump is ineligible to 49 00:03:55,355 --> 00:03:58,555 Speaker 1: be on the ballot, and each of the fifty state 50 00:03:58,675 --> 00:04:04,275 Speaker 1: secretaries of State has an obligation to print ballots without 51 00:04:04,435 --> 00:04:12,755 Speaker 1: his his name on them unquote. Again. I know this 52 00:04:12,995 --> 00:04:18,315 Speaker 1: reeks of rapidly crumbling textbook paper, but it is not 53 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:23,515 Speaker 1: irredeemably academic. One year ago, next month, the County Commissioner 54 00:04:23,515 --> 00:04:27,475 Speaker 1: for District two of Otero County, New Mexico, KOI. Griffin, 55 00:04:28,195 --> 00:04:32,475 Speaker 1: was removed from that office under Section three of the 56 00:04:32,515 --> 00:04:37,835 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment. Griffin had participated in January sixth, went back 57 00:04:37,835 --> 00:04:40,635 Speaker 1: to New Mexico, told the County Commission he was headed 58 00:04:40,675 --> 00:04:43,595 Speaker 1: back for the Biden inauguration and would be armed when 59 00:04:43,595 --> 00:04:47,915 Speaker 1: he went. In Washington, he was arrested and prosecuted and 60 00:04:47,995 --> 00:04:52,875 Speaker 1: convicted of trespass, and then Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics 61 00:04:52,915 --> 00:04:57,995 Speaker 1: in Washington crew sued and won, and the State Supreme 62 00:04:57,995 --> 00:05:00,915 Speaker 1: Court of New Mexico upheld the appeal. And right now, 63 00:05:01,235 --> 00:05:03,715 Speaker 1: not only is KOI. Griffin out of office, he is 64 00:05:03,875 --> 00:05:08,875 Speaker 1: banned for life from holding public office because he participated 65 00:05:08,875 --> 00:05:12,115 Speaker 1: in January sixth. And right now Crewe is suing to 66 00:05:12,235 --> 00:05:17,875 Speaker 1: have that same statute applied to Donald Trump. The statute 67 00:05:17,915 --> 00:05:21,955 Speaker 1: the Federalist guys just said does too apply to Donald Trump. 68 00:05:23,315 --> 00:05:27,355 Speaker 1: What Federalist co founder Calibrecy called the tourtive Force reads, 69 00:05:27,435 --> 00:05:31,395 Speaker 1: in part quote, it is unquestionably fair to say that 70 00:05:31,475 --> 00:05:35,915 Speaker 1: Trump engaged in the January sixth insurrection through both his 71 00:05:36,035 --> 00:05:40,155 Speaker 1: actions and his inaction. The bottom line is that Donald 72 00:05:40,155 --> 00:05:44,995 Speaker 1: Trump both engaged in insurrection or rebellion and gave aid 73 00:05:45,195 --> 00:05:49,155 Speaker 1: or comfort to others engaging in such conduct. Within the 74 00:05:49,195 --> 00:05:53,075 Speaker 1: original meaning of those terms as employed in Section three 75 00:05:53,555 --> 00:05:58,395 Speaker 1: of the fourteenth Amendment. If somehow you did not memorize 76 00:05:58,435 --> 00:06:03,115 Speaker 1: section three on January sixth, I think millions of the 77 00:06:03,115 --> 00:06:06,555 Speaker 1: rest of us did. Section three is the one that 78 00:06:06,995 --> 00:06:09,755 Speaker 1: should have Trump's picture next to it, with a big 79 00:06:09,835 --> 00:06:14,475 Speaker 1: red circle around it, with that slash line going through 80 00:06:14,515 --> 00:06:19,115 Speaker 1: it diagonally. Quote. No person shall be a senator or 81 00:06:19,155 --> 00:06:23,315 Speaker 1: representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, 82 00:06:24,075 --> 00:06:29,315 Speaker 1: or hold any office civil or military under the United 83 00:06:29,355 --> 00:06:33,995 Speaker 1: States or under any State, who, having previously taken an 84 00:06:33,995 --> 00:06:36,275 Speaker 1: oath as a member of Congress, or as an officer 85 00:06:36,315 --> 00:06:38,235 Speaker 1: of the United States, or as a member of any 86 00:06:38,235 --> 00:06:41,475 Speaker 1: State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of 87 00:06:41,515 --> 00:06:44,995 Speaker 1: any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, 88 00:06:45,155 --> 00:06:48,875 Speaker 1: shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, 89 00:06:49,395 --> 00:06:52,635 Speaker 1: or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But 90 00:06:53,435 --> 00:06:56,755 Speaker 1: Congress may buy a vote of two thirds of each 91 00:06:56,755 --> 00:07:01,795 Speaker 1: House remove such disability. We don't have to worry about 92 00:07:01,835 --> 00:07:06,395 Speaker 1: that last part that was adopted on July ninth, eighteen 93 00:07:06,515 --> 00:07:09,155 Speaker 1: sixty eight, as part of reconstruction after the Civil War. 94 00:07:09,395 --> 00:07:13,595 Speaker 1: The rebellious states had to adopt that one before they 95 00:07:13,595 --> 00:07:18,275 Speaker 1: were permitted to send anybody back into Congress, and professors 96 00:07:18,315 --> 00:07:23,355 Speaker 1: Vode and Paulson devoted the last year to studying the 97 00:07:23,395 --> 00:07:28,915 Speaker 1: original meaning of it. Because the ultra conservative federalist society did, 98 00:07:28,955 --> 00:07:31,955 Speaker 1: I mention, these guys are in a federalist society. It 99 00:07:32,115 --> 00:07:36,595 Speaker 1: believes the Constitution can only be interpreted in exactly the 100 00:07:36,635 --> 00:07:40,835 Speaker 1: way the authors, including the authors of the amendment intended 101 00:07:41,035 --> 00:07:46,475 Speaker 1: at that time. A year studying those words, and the 102 00:07:46,515 --> 00:07:50,315 Speaker 1: conclusion was not just that Trump is ineligible to be president, 103 00:07:50,435 --> 00:07:54,435 Speaker 1: or to be elected president, or to run for president, 104 00:07:54,475 --> 00:07:58,795 Speaker 1: but that it's all automatic. Right now, he can't do 105 00:07:58,875 --> 00:08:01,715 Speaker 1: any of those things. The professors say a lawsuit should 106 00:08:01,715 --> 00:08:04,195 Speaker 1: not be a debate over the meaning. The professors say 107 00:08:04,315 --> 00:08:07,555 Speaker 1: it should be a measure to force every official who 108 00:08:07,635 --> 00:08:13,155 Speaker 1: has to certify a candidate's eligibility force them to refuse 109 00:08:13,235 --> 00:08:18,115 Speaker 1: to certify Trump. No Trump on the ballot, no Trump 110 00:08:18,315 --> 00:08:22,195 Speaker 1: right in ballot to be counted. I mean, listen to 111 00:08:22,275 --> 00:08:32,555 Speaker 1: this quote. Section three's disqualification rule may and must be followed, applied, honored, obeyed, enforced, 112 00:08:32,995 --> 00:08:36,755 Speaker 1: carried out by anyone whose job it is to figure 113 00:08:36,795 --> 00:08:42,315 Speaker 1: out whether someone is legally qualified to office. In other words, 114 00:08:42,675 --> 00:08:47,435 Speaker 1: if you don't keep Trump off the ballot, you supervise, 115 00:08:47,875 --> 00:08:52,955 Speaker 1: you may have broken the law. As Bode said, quote, 116 00:08:52,995 --> 00:08:56,035 Speaker 1: the question of should Donald Trump go to jail is 117 00:08:56,235 --> 00:08:59,395 Speaker 1: entrusted to the criminal process. The question of should he 118 00:08:59,515 --> 00:09:03,275 Speaker 1: be allowed to take the constitutional oath again and be 119 00:09:03,355 --> 00:09:09,235 Speaker 1: given constitutional again is not a question given to any 120 00:09:09,435 --> 00:09:18,555 Speaker 1: jury unquote. So does this mean anything or is this 121 00:09:18,795 --> 00:09:23,635 Speaker 1: just another one of our quaint customs that we all 122 00:09:23,715 --> 00:09:28,875 Speaker 1: thought were laws and rules and turned out not to be. Yes, clearly, 123 00:09:28,955 --> 00:09:32,675 Speaker 1: it means something. Firstly, it puts the Fourteenth Amendment back 124 00:09:32,795 --> 00:09:36,275 Speaker 1: on the Trump table. It makes it, in fact, the centerpiece. 125 00:09:36,475 --> 00:09:39,715 Speaker 1: That it is coming now not just from some Republicans, 126 00:09:39,715 --> 00:09:43,795 Speaker 1: not just from some Republican constitutional expert guys, but from 127 00:09:43,795 --> 00:09:48,595 Speaker 1: the federalist society that already owns the Supreme Court. That 128 00:09:48,635 --> 00:09:51,115 Speaker 1: not only makes it impossible for anybody on the left 129 00:09:51,195 --> 00:09:53,555 Speaker 1: or on the right to ignore it, but it raises 130 00:09:53,635 --> 00:09:57,835 Speaker 1: the very real possibility that at least in the bluest states, 131 00:09:58,515 --> 00:10:02,515 Speaker 1: the secretaries of state should be ruling right now, or 132 00:10:02,515 --> 00:10:05,355 Speaker 1: at least going to court to get a rule right now, 133 00:10:05,475 --> 00:10:11,235 Speaker 1: that Trump is ineligible to appear on their state's presidential ballot. 134 00:10:11,635 --> 00:10:16,355 Speaker 1: In New York, in California, in Massachusetts, in all the 135 00:10:16,435 --> 00:10:25,995 Speaker 1: other Blue states, and also oh in Wisconsin and in Arizona. 136 00:10:26,155 --> 00:10:28,555 Speaker 1: And if the secretaries of state don't know how to 137 00:10:28,595 --> 00:10:31,475 Speaker 1: do that, they can call the people over there at Crewe. 138 00:10:32,035 --> 00:10:35,755 Speaker 1: Crewe managed to blow out this New Mexico insurrectionist cowboy, 139 00:10:36,475 --> 00:10:38,955 Speaker 1: and they are stoking up their engines on Trump. Let's 140 00:10:38,995 --> 00:10:44,115 Speaker 1: go at minimum. The fourteenth Amendment is another metaphorical two 141 00:10:44,195 --> 00:10:46,595 Speaker 1: by four with which to hit the Trump campaign over 142 00:10:46,635 --> 00:10:50,075 Speaker 1: the head, like the New York indictments, like the coming 143 00:10:50,115 --> 00:10:54,755 Speaker 1: Georgia indictments, like Jack Smith, keep them in court, throw 144 00:10:54,875 --> 00:10:58,915 Speaker 1: metaphorical punches, and keep throwing them in defense of democracy, 145 00:10:59,235 --> 00:11:02,235 Speaker 1: in defense as the guys from the Federalist Society might 146 00:11:02,315 --> 00:11:07,795 Speaker 1: mention of the Constitution. And if you need witnesses, Professor 147 00:11:07,875 --> 00:11:14,235 Speaker 1: Bode b a ud, Professor Paulson, p a U L 148 00:11:14,515 --> 00:11:17,835 Speaker 1: s E N b a U d E p a 149 00:11:18,115 --> 00:11:21,395 Speaker 1: U L s E n. Their office phone numbers and 150 00:11:21,435 --> 00:11:25,955 Speaker 1: addresses and emails are online in their profiles on their 151 00:11:25,955 --> 00:11:30,875 Speaker 1: school websites. Bode at least has a Twitter account that's 152 00:11:30,915 --> 00:11:33,955 Speaker 1: Saint Thomas University in Minnesota and a little outfit called 153 00:11:33,995 --> 00:11:38,635 Speaker 1: the University of Chicago, and when you swear these guys 154 00:11:38,675 --> 00:11:43,475 Speaker 1: in at trial Wisconsin Secretary of State god Luski, Arizona 155 00:11:43,595 --> 00:11:48,915 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Fontes pro tip, you might just want 156 00:11:48,915 --> 00:11:52,275 Speaker 1: to mention. I'm just saying you might just want to 157 00:11:52,315 --> 00:11:58,875 Speaker 1: mention that these guys they're members of the Federalist Society. 158 00:12:03,835 --> 00:12:06,595 Speaker 1: Of course, in the world in which we actually live. 159 00:12:06,755 --> 00:12:10,795 Speaker 1: These following numbers may be more relevant than Amendment fourteen, 160 00:12:11,035 --> 00:12:15,715 Speaker 1: Section three, but they do indicate that there continue to 161 00:12:15,715 --> 00:12:19,915 Speaker 1: be little brief bubbles of gas escaping from what may 162 00:12:20,115 --> 00:12:27,155 Speaker 1: or may not be subterranean evidence of Trump fatigue. The 163 00:12:27,195 --> 00:12:30,035 Speaker 1: TV interview he did with Newsmax Wednesday night, when the 164 00:12:30,075 --> 00:12:33,795 Speaker 1: fly landed on his temple and he didn't seem to notice. 165 00:12:34,395 --> 00:12:38,195 Speaker 1: America didn't notice either. Cable news ratings Trump and Eric 166 00:12:38,235 --> 00:12:42,675 Speaker 1: Bowling finished fourth, less than one quarter of what that 167 00:12:42,795 --> 00:12:48,315 Speaker 1: idiot Jesse Waters did on Fox, beaten by Anderson Silo 168 00:12:48,555 --> 00:12:53,235 Speaker 1: Cooper by forty four percent in the race for third place, 169 00:12:54,075 --> 00:12:56,915 Speaker 1: and the number among the younger viewing audience those were 170 00:12:56,955 --> 00:13:00,595 Speaker 1: even worse. Other numbers mentioned this in brief at the 171 00:13:00,635 --> 00:13:04,195 Speaker 1: top Jack Smith filing for a minimal classified information hearing 172 00:13:04,235 --> 00:13:07,955 Speaker 1: in the Trump Coup case two weeks from Monday. They 173 00:13:07,955 --> 00:13:11,795 Speaker 1: want jury selections starting December eleventh, and the trial to 174 00:13:11,835 --> 00:13:15,675 Speaker 1: start on January second. The right to a timely trial, 175 00:13:16,035 --> 00:13:20,875 Speaker 1: their submission to Judge Chutkin read, is vested in the public, 176 00:13:21,595 --> 00:13:25,915 Speaker 1: not just the defendant. They note that even that schedule 177 00:13:25,955 --> 00:13:30,275 Speaker 1: would give Trump five months to review all materials produced 178 00:13:30,315 --> 00:13:37,795 Speaker 1: in discovery, tweet drafts, tweet direct messages. Trump of course 179 00:13:37,795 --> 00:13:41,035 Speaker 1: immediately whined that January second is just days before the 180 00:13:41,075 --> 00:13:45,395 Speaker 1: Iowa caucuses. How dare you, sir? It's actually two weeks 181 00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:48,595 Speaker 1: and also thought you were running away with the nomination, 182 00:13:48,715 --> 00:13:53,595 Speaker 1: big boy? What you worried about? The Smith filing also 183 00:13:53,635 --> 00:13:57,395 Speaker 1: brought out the rather staggering truth that Trump's newest new lawyers, 184 00:13:57,715 --> 00:14:03,355 Speaker 1: official and otherwise are really really stupid. The government rights 185 00:14:03,395 --> 00:14:06,235 Speaker 1: that the defendants attorneys have claimed that the Special Council 186 00:14:06,315 --> 00:14:09,115 Speaker 1: quote has been investigating this matter for three and a 187 00:14:09,155 --> 00:14:12,475 Speaker 1: half years, while the defense is starting with a blank 188 00:14:12,635 --> 00:14:21,075 Speaker 1: slate unquote. Uh math or that handy dandy calculator at 189 00:14:21,115 --> 00:14:26,115 Speaker 1: time and date dot com three and a half years ago. 190 00:14:27,115 --> 00:14:33,675 Speaker 1: That would be February eleventh, twenty twenty. Let's see February eleventh, 191 00:14:33,675 --> 00:14:36,955 Speaker 1: twenty twenty who is the president. That's when Trump's presidency 192 00:14:36,995 --> 00:14:39,275 Speaker 1: still had three hundred and forty five days to go. 193 00:14:40,795 --> 00:14:42,715 Speaker 1: I mean, are you saying there was another insurrection we 194 00:14:42,755 --> 00:14:46,835 Speaker 1: didn't know about on February eleventh, twenty twenty, because we're 195 00:14:46,835 --> 00:14:49,355 Speaker 1: talking about the one on January sixth, twenty twenty one. Dude, 196 00:14:50,515 --> 00:14:54,035 Speaker 1: Next time you see the Trump attorney John Lauro, who 197 00:14:54,115 --> 00:14:56,795 Speaker 1: was responsible for this document, take a good look at 198 00:14:56,795 --> 00:14:59,835 Speaker 1: his eyes. They seem to be coming out of either 199 00:14:59,875 --> 00:15:03,995 Speaker 1: side of his head. But wait, there's more. Jonathan Turley, 200 00:15:07,635 --> 00:15:09,835 Speaker 1: for a while, this hurt. Now, it just amazes me. 201 00:15:09,955 --> 00:15:11,875 Speaker 1: It used to be one of the pleasures of my 202 00:15:11,995 --> 00:15:16,115 Speaker 1: experience on Countdown to have him on to Savage the 203 00:15:16,235 --> 00:15:21,355 Speaker 1: latest Bush movements. He explained that guy and vote before John, 204 00:15:21,435 --> 00:15:24,635 Speaker 1: you to me, I don't know what's happened. I don't 205 00:15:24,675 --> 00:15:30,395 Speaker 1: know if it's blackmail, concussion, bribery, but he has gone fascist. Happily. 206 00:15:31,235 --> 00:15:34,995 Speaker 1: He makes Trump's official attorneys look like, oh, maybe they 207 00:15:34,995 --> 00:15:38,995 Speaker 1: didn't fail math in the second grade. John Turley, tweeting 208 00:15:38,995 --> 00:15:43,195 Speaker 1: at four nineteen pm yesterday, quote, what is curious about 209 00:15:43,195 --> 00:15:46,675 Speaker 1: the proposed trial date for the Jay six indictment is 210 00:15:46,715 --> 00:15:49,595 Speaker 1: that it is four days before the counting of the 211 00:15:49,675 --> 00:15:59,475 Speaker 1: electoral votes and eighteen days before the inauguration. On quote John, 212 00:16:00,355 --> 00:16:06,555 Speaker 1: the trial date is January two, two thousand, twenty four, 213 00:16:07,955 --> 00:16:13,435 Speaker 1: twenty four. That whole voting, electoral college inauguration thing, that's 214 00:16:13,435 --> 00:16:21,435 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Turley acknowledged the little mistake, but not 215 00:16:21,515 --> 00:16:23,555 Speaker 1: that he made it. I still do not see why 216 00:16:23,555 --> 00:16:25,915 Speaker 1: the ideal trial date would be on the anniversary of 217 00:16:25,955 --> 00:16:30,155 Speaker 1: the riot with a trial in Washington. Should have quit 218 00:16:30,195 --> 00:16:32,115 Speaker 1: when you only had the one math error, John, The 219 00:16:32,115 --> 00:16:36,315 Speaker 1: insurrection was January sixth. The trial is January second, oh, 220 00:16:36,315 --> 00:16:38,835 Speaker 1: and January sixth next year, next year, twenty twenty four, 221 00:16:38,955 --> 00:16:41,675 Speaker 1: not next year twenty twenty five. That's on a Saturday. 222 00:16:41,995 --> 00:16:44,635 Speaker 1: There won't be anybody at the court on the anniversary 223 00:16:44,675 --> 00:16:50,035 Speaker 1: of January sixth. Turley had a bad, bad day, and 224 00:16:50,155 --> 00:16:53,155 Speaker 1: ordinarily I would have left it at the calendar's doubleheader 225 00:16:53,275 --> 00:16:57,075 Speaker 1: sweep against him. But he raised an interesting point, albeit 226 00:16:57,155 --> 00:17:00,675 Speaker 1: a very stupid one, leftover from that Trump Twitter account 227 00:17:00,715 --> 00:17:03,595 Speaker 1: decision by Judge Beryl Howell that we found out about 228 00:17:03,675 --> 00:17:07,515 Speaker 1: day before yesterday. Turley can't figure out the decision the 229 00:17:07,635 --> 00:17:10,915 Speaker 1: judge made and then dropped from her final ruling that 230 00:17:10,995 --> 00:17:13,995 Speaker 1: if Trump somehow knew that Jack Smith had his Twitter 231 00:17:14,195 --> 00:17:19,275 Speaker 1: dms and drafts, he might quote flee prosecution. I'm sorry, 232 00:17:19,315 --> 00:17:22,075 Speaker 1: I'm going to quote Turley it again. I know. Just 233 00:17:22,235 --> 00:17:25,395 Speaker 1: wash your ears out after the thing's over. Howell agreed 234 00:17:25,435 --> 00:17:29,715 Speaker 1: that he might shake his sizeable security detail, evade them, 235 00:17:29,955 --> 00:17:32,035 Speaker 1: and go on the lamb. He is one of the 236 00:17:32,035 --> 00:17:34,715 Speaker 1: most recognized figures in the world, so he would have 237 00:17:34,755 --> 00:17:41,355 Speaker 1: to go to Mars to live incognito. Firstly, Trump to Mars. 238 00:17:42,515 --> 00:17:47,955 Speaker 1: I'm in favor of this good idea. John. Secondly, it 239 00:17:47,995 --> 00:17:51,315 Speaker 1: has never occurred to Turley or to any of the 240 00:17:51,355 --> 00:17:56,355 Speaker 1: other Trump propagandists and apologists that there could be evidence 241 00:17:56,475 --> 00:18:02,195 Speaker 1: somewhere so conclusive, so unanswerable, maybe in a Twitter draft 242 00:18:02,235 --> 00:18:07,755 Speaker 1: somewhere that Trump really would, upon its discovery, flee somewhere 243 00:18:07,835 --> 00:18:10,835 Speaker 1: on I don't know. Maybe he might walk or hitch 244 00:18:11,315 --> 00:18:14,195 Speaker 1: but I'm thinking, okay, just bear with me here. I'm 245 00:18:14,235 --> 00:18:17,475 Speaker 1: thinking if I'm him, I'd use my giant private plane, 246 00:18:19,715 --> 00:18:22,475 Speaker 1: the one he regularly takes to Europe, you know, to 247 00:18:22,555 --> 00:18:26,835 Speaker 1: London places like that. London is only another twelve hundred 248 00:18:26,835 --> 00:18:30,755 Speaker 1: miles from London to Minsk. In Belarus, and we don't 249 00:18:30,755 --> 00:18:35,715 Speaker 1: have an extradition treaty with Belarus. John, did you know that? Oh? 250 00:18:35,995 --> 00:18:39,035 Speaker 1: And Minsk in Belarus that's four hundred and fifty miles 251 00:18:39,035 --> 00:18:44,555 Speaker 1: from Moscow. Don't tell try any of this. He thinks 252 00:18:44,555 --> 00:18:49,395 Speaker 1: Trump's not guilty, Ohen, for God's sake, don't tell him 253 00:18:49,395 --> 00:18:52,835 Speaker 1: about the fourteenth Amendment and this paper from professors Bode 254 00:18:52,835 --> 00:18:58,275 Speaker 1: and Paulson, you know, those two guys from the Hummalist 255 00:18:59,875 --> 00:19:10,355 Speaker 1: te Trump's ineligible in the Federalist Society even recognizes it. 256 00:19:10,435 --> 00:19:15,715 Speaker 1: The Federalists also of interest here, though not as interesting 257 00:19:15,715 --> 00:19:18,475 Speaker 1: as that. Frankly, the overturning of Roe v. Wade led 258 00:19:18,475 --> 00:19:21,515 Speaker 1: to a Democratic blowout win in the Wisconsin state Supreme 259 00:19:21,515 --> 00:19:24,395 Speaker 1: Court election last year, and then a bigger Democratic blowout 260 00:19:24,435 --> 00:19:29,435 Speaker 1: win in the Ohio constitutional vote this week. So see 261 00:19:29,475 --> 00:19:31,595 Speaker 1: if you can figure this out. Which one of my 262 00:19:31,755 --> 00:19:35,155 Speaker 1: ex girlfriends do you think just said that the Republicans 263 00:19:35,275 --> 00:19:42,115 Speaker 1: must campaign vigorously and proudly on their success at overturning 264 00:19:42,235 --> 00:19:49,955 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade. You go, girl, I went out with 265 00:19:50,075 --> 00:19:55,555 Speaker 1: this woman. That's next. This is countdown. This is Countdown 266 00:19:55,955 --> 00:20:07,955 Speaker 1: with Keith. Postscripts to the news, some headlines, some updates, 267 00:20:07,995 --> 00:20:12,955 Speaker 1: some snarks, some predictions. Dateline, Coralville, Iowa. You ever heard 268 00:20:13,035 --> 00:20:17,235 Speaker 1: that phrase, He's just phoning it in. I would like 269 00:20:17,355 --> 00:20:20,235 Speaker 1: nothing more than to believe the tea leaf readers of 270 00:20:20,315 --> 00:20:24,555 Speaker 1: the political Cognizanti who say that Ron decentis is within 271 00:20:24,715 --> 00:20:27,555 Speaker 1: upset range of Trump in Iowa in the caucuses just 272 00:20:27,635 --> 00:20:36,115 Speaker 1: five months from now. But I'm not sure that with me. 273 00:20:36,755 --> 00:20:39,395 Speaker 1: One thing you can know is okay, Well, why is he? Oh? 274 00:20:39,515 --> 00:20:41,675 Speaker 1: Is that? Sorry? That's my phone? I don't know why 275 00:20:41,715 --> 00:20:46,475 Speaker 1: anyone's calling me. They know I'm here. But you know, 276 00:20:46,555 --> 00:20:48,195 Speaker 1: I think part of the question, you know, when you 277 00:20:48,195 --> 00:20:50,475 Speaker 1: look at people like, you know, why are they running 278 00:20:50,635 --> 00:20:54,435 Speaker 1: running for president? Giving a speech? Forgetting to turn the 279 00:20:54,435 --> 00:21:00,995 Speaker 1: phone off? Ron, don't call us, We'll call you. Dateline, 280 00:21:01,115 --> 00:21:05,795 Speaker 1: Santa Rosa Beach, Florida. Hello, the actual home for the 281 00:21:05,835 --> 00:21:09,475 Speaker 1: reporting of the Washington Post of Senator Tommy Tuberville. But wait, 282 00:21:09,635 --> 00:21:13,035 Speaker 1: you say, Tommy the Tuba isn't the senator from Florida. 283 00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:16,715 Speaker 1: He's the senator from Alabama. Why would he be living 284 00:21:16,755 --> 00:21:20,875 Speaker 1: in Florida? You are correct sir. The Post reports that 285 00:21:20,955 --> 00:21:24,635 Speaker 1: in July, Tommy Tubberville sold the last two properties he 286 00:21:24,675 --> 00:21:27,435 Speaker 1: owned in the state he nominally represents in the Senate, 287 00:21:27,715 --> 00:21:32,315 Speaker 1: and quote campaign finance reports and his signature on property 288 00:21:32,355 --> 00:21:36,155 Speaker 1: documents indicate that his home is actually a three million dollar, 289 00:21:36,275 --> 00:21:39,235 Speaker 1: four thousand square foot beach house he has lived in 290 00:21:39,275 --> 00:21:43,435 Speaker 1: for nearly two decades in Santa Rosa Beach, Florida, which 291 00:21:43,435 --> 00:21:47,275 Speaker 1: means not only is a Floridian representing Alabama in the Senate, 292 00:21:47,315 --> 00:21:52,715 Speaker 1: but a Floridian was coaching Alabama's second most important college 293 00:21:52,715 --> 00:21:58,155 Speaker 1: football team, Auburn Dateline Washington. You know, the comforting thing 294 00:21:58,195 --> 00:22:01,555 Speaker 1: about America's fascists for at least the last thirty years 295 00:22:01,755 --> 00:22:04,515 Speaker 1: has been that when it doesn't work, when it bl 296 00:22:04,755 --> 00:22:08,435 Speaker 1: lows up in their face, they don't even think about reassessing. 297 00:22:08,755 --> 00:22:12,315 Speaker 1: They just assume it did not work because they didn't 298 00:22:12,515 --> 00:22:18,155 Speaker 1: shout loudly enough. The repeal of Roe v. Wade infuriates 299 00:22:18,155 --> 00:22:22,075 Speaker 1: a vast, multi party, multi state, multi gender swath of 300 00:22:22,115 --> 00:22:25,595 Speaker 1: the country, and continues to do so into now a 301 00:22:25,915 --> 00:22:29,435 Speaker 1: second full year. On April fourth, in what was supposed 302 00:22:29,435 --> 00:22:32,795 Speaker 1: to be a small but unmistakable Republican victory, the liberal 303 00:22:33,155 --> 00:22:37,515 Speaker 1: slacks the conservative fifty five forty five in the vote 304 00:22:37,555 --> 00:22:41,955 Speaker 1: that swings the Wisconsin Supreme Court to the left. On Tuesday, 305 00:22:42,075 --> 00:22:45,795 Speaker 1: Ohio State Issue one, a fascist bid to raise the 306 00:22:45,835 --> 00:22:49,555 Speaker 1: threshold for amending the state constitution so abortion rights could 307 00:22:49,555 --> 00:22:53,035 Speaker 1: not be protected in that constitution, held in the middle 308 00:22:53,035 --> 00:22:58,435 Speaker 1: of August to suppress turnout absolutely blew the Conservatives out 309 00:22:58,435 --> 00:23:05,275 Speaker 1: of the tub. No. Fifty seven, Yes, just watching forty 310 00:23:05,315 --> 00:23:11,075 Speaker 1: three Wednesday. After these debacles, Laura Ingram goes on her 311 00:23:11,195 --> 00:23:15,155 Speaker 1: little Arian Urban Achievers show on Fox and says, quote, 312 00:23:15,555 --> 00:23:19,915 Speaker 1: overturning Roe v. Wayne is the grandest accomplishment. The conserumative 313 00:23:20,075 --> 00:23:22,955 Speaker 1: moment has hands at the end in the column line, 314 00:23:24,275 --> 00:23:28,355 Speaker 1: be proud and build on it and not ran away 315 00:23:28,355 --> 00:23:34,355 Speaker 1: from it unquote Why Laura, I didn't think it was 316 00:23:34,355 --> 00:23:38,315 Speaker 1: still possible. But you are absolutely right. In fact, you 317 00:23:38,995 --> 00:23:42,235 Speaker 1: need to make sure that every Republican candidate for the 318 00:23:42,275 --> 00:23:46,235 Speaker 1: rest of time gets up there and recites from memory 319 00:23:46,315 --> 00:23:50,595 Speaker 1: a pledge to end all access to abortion in America. 320 00:23:50,755 --> 00:23:53,435 Speaker 1: Make your boy Trump do it, Make all of his 321 00:23:53,715 --> 00:23:56,995 Speaker 1: challengers do it. Make Carrie Lake get up there and 322 00:23:57,035 --> 00:24:02,955 Speaker 1: do it. Have them tattoo it on their foreheads. In fact, GOP, 323 00:24:04,715 --> 00:24:07,875 Speaker 1: Laura Ingram needs to be running all of your campaigns 324 00:24:08,555 --> 00:24:16,595 Speaker 1: because Laura Ingram knows how to yell louder. Trust me, 325 00:24:17,475 --> 00:24:34,475 Speaker 1: I'm the authority on this particular topic. Still ahead on 326 00:24:34,515 --> 00:24:37,195 Speaker 1: Countdown Fridays with Thurber and a story so good my 327 00:24:37,275 --> 00:24:40,835 Speaker 1: late father literally waited until after I had finished reading 328 00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:46,155 Speaker 1: it to him to shuffle off this mortal coil. No, 329 00:24:46,235 --> 00:24:49,195 Speaker 1: there's no Olvererman joke here. I'm serious. This was the 330 00:24:49,275 --> 00:24:53,715 Speaker 1: last entertainment he ever enjoyed. Coming up first time for 331 00:24:53,755 --> 00:24:55,795 Speaker 1: the daily round up of the misgrants, morons and Dunning 332 00:24:55,835 --> 00:24:59,995 Speaker 1: Kruger effects specimens who constitute today's worst persons in the world. 333 00:25:01,155 --> 00:25:06,195 Speaker 1: Brons Dominic Andrew McGee, the k you Andon cultist victim 334 00:25:06,235 --> 00:25:11,075 Speaker 1: guy whose Twitter account dom Luker was suspended after Musk 335 00:25:11,235 --> 00:25:13,955 Speaker 1: said it had tweeted a photo of a toddler being tortured, 336 00:25:14,595 --> 00:25:17,955 Speaker 1: a photo and a tweet which reviewed three million times, 337 00:25:18,035 --> 00:25:21,915 Speaker 1: and then the McGee account was reinstated personally by this fraudulent, 338 00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:25,795 Speaker 1: amoral lunatic Musk. Well, McGee has a new one now, 339 00:25:25,835 --> 00:25:28,795 Speaker 1: he claims, quote I have an inside source that claims 340 00:25:29,115 --> 00:25:32,755 Speaker 1: Pete and Hillary would have sex frequently unquote. That would 341 00:25:32,755 --> 00:25:37,875 Speaker 1: be Pete Davidson and Hillary Clinton, and this clown McGee 342 00:25:37,875 --> 00:25:41,115 Speaker 1: does not have an inside source. He has well from 343 00:25:41,195 --> 00:25:43,675 Speaker 1: his account, he has an access to an image of 344 00:25:43,675 --> 00:25:46,915 Speaker 1: a toader being tortured. That's what he has the purpose 345 00:25:46,995 --> 00:25:50,835 Speaker 1: to this bizarre claim. I guess he's trying to make 346 00:25:50,915 --> 00:25:54,235 Speaker 1: Kanye West look less insane, seems to be a fan 347 00:25:54,435 --> 00:25:57,555 Speaker 1: or something of Kanye West's and to look like less 348 00:25:57,555 --> 00:26:02,475 Speaker 1: of an anti semi who knows it's QAnon. These people 349 00:26:02,515 --> 00:26:07,435 Speaker 1: aren't no longer connected to the Earth runner up. Anthony Sabatini, 350 00:26:07,475 --> 00:26:11,075 Speaker 1: perennial Republican, also ran for Congress from Florida, chairman of 351 00:26:11,075 --> 00:26:14,835 Speaker 1: its Lake County GOP. Sabatini is one of the louder 352 00:26:14,875 --> 00:26:18,315 Speaker 1: and cruider of the MAGA propagandists. He's the one who, 353 00:26:18,355 --> 00:26:21,355 Speaker 1: after the Department of Justice search of Mary Lago, demanded 354 00:26:21,355 --> 00:26:24,635 Speaker 1: that the State of Florida should arrest on site all 355 00:26:24,835 --> 00:26:29,835 Speaker 1: FBI agents and sever all connections to the DOJ. Yeah 356 00:26:29,875 --> 00:26:33,315 Speaker 1: you do that, bub Well, he might actually have a 357 00:26:33,355 --> 00:26:35,795 Speaker 1: good excuse for all these things that appeared with quote 358 00:26:35,795 --> 00:26:38,355 Speaker 1: marks attached to his name. He may not have written 359 00:26:38,435 --> 00:26:42,515 Speaker 1: any of them. Per The Daily Beast, Anthony Sabatini did 360 00:26:42,555 --> 00:26:45,195 Speaker 1: not write very much of his own honors thesis at 361 00:26:45,195 --> 00:26:49,195 Speaker 1: the University of Florida. Just a little plagiarism here and 362 00:26:49,235 --> 00:26:52,555 Speaker 1: there in the honor's thesis. His paper was about the 363 00:26:52,595 --> 00:26:57,395 Speaker 1: philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. It's a little reminiscence about reminiscent of 364 00:26:57,395 --> 00:27:01,035 Speaker 1: a nineteen ninety two book about Nietzsche by Stephen Asheim. 365 00:27:01,915 --> 00:27:05,555 Speaker 1: Now this is subtle, so listen very carefully. May miss this. 366 00:27:05,555 --> 00:27:08,315 Speaker 1: This is Sabatini's paper. This is the first sentence of 367 00:27:08,355 --> 00:27:13,155 Speaker 1: Sabatini's paper. Quote. The twentieth century has seen countless appropriations 368 00:27:13,195 --> 00:27:16,755 Speaker 1: of the ideas of the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche for cultural 369 00:27:16,795 --> 00:27:19,995 Speaker 1: and political ends. Yet nowhere have these attempts been more 370 00:27:19,995 --> 00:27:23,235 Speaker 1: frequent or important than in Germany. Okay, that's Sabatini. Now 371 00:27:23,275 --> 00:27:26,755 Speaker 1: here is Asheim. Listen carefully. Quote. The twentieth century has 372 00:27:26,795 --> 00:27:29,995 Speaker 1: seen countless attempts to appropriate the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche 373 00:27:30,235 --> 00:27:33,355 Speaker 1: for diverse cultural and political ends. But nowhere have these 374 00:27:33,395 --> 00:27:37,315 Speaker 1: efforts been more sustained or of greater consequence than in Germany. 375 00:27:37,675 --> 00:27:39,915 Speaker 1: Did you hear it at all? And like I said, 376 00:27:39,915 --> 00:27:43,035 Speaker 1: it's subtle, did you hear it at all? Similarity sight 377 00:27:43,075 --> 00:27:45,555 Speaker 1: a couple of You'll be happy to know that there 378 00:27:45,635 --> 00:27:49,435 Speaker 1: actually is a difference between those two sentences, the two 379 00:27:49,475 --> 00:27:54,115 Speaker 1: first sentences of the two papers. In Sabatini's version, he 380 00:27:54,195 --> 00:27:58,755 Speaker 1: misspelled Riedrich. The Daily Beast reports most of what Sabatini 381 00:27:58,835 --> 00:28:03,195 Speaker 1: took seems to in fact have come from Wikipedia. But 382 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:08,315 Speaker 1: our winner, actor Woody Harrelson posing in a Kennedy twenty 383 00:28:08,355 --> 00:28:11,675 Speaker 1: twenty four cap with his arm around Robert F. Kennedy 384 00:28:11,715 --> 00:28:17,195 Speaker 1: Junior's wife, actress Cheryl Hines. Hines, posted it on Instagram 385 00:28:17,235 --> 00:28:20,995 Speaker 1: with the caption great seeing you, Woody. Apart from the 386 00:28:21,075 --> 00:28:25,955 Speaker 1: baseline problem here, R K Junior is, you know, crazy, 387 00:28:26,355 --> 00:28:29,075 Speaker 1: and he's backed by Trump people, and he's only in 388 00:28:29,075 --> 00:28:31,475 Speaker 1: the race to siphon votes away from Biden, and he 389 00:28:31,515 --> 00:28:34,995 Speaker 1: doesn't understand any of this. Apart from that baseline problem, 390 00:28:35,195 --> 00:28:38,155 Speaker 1: this is one of those moments when the backstory is 391 00:28:38,235 --> 00:28:41,995 Speaker 1: even more appalling, because this is the moment when two 392 00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:50,475 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories collide with hilarious consequences. Woody Harrelson endorses Vaxer 393 00:28:50,795 --> 00:28:55,275 Speaker 1: KEM Trail's space cadet Robert F. Kennedy Junior forty three 394 00:28:55,515 --> 00:29:01,955 Speaker 1: years ago. Woody Harrelson's father, professional hitman Charlie Harrelson claimed 395 00:29:02,595 --> 00:29:10,155 Speaker 1: that he Charlie Harrelson, had assassinated John F. Kennedy. Would he, Hey, 396 00:29:10,235 --> 00:29:13,795 Speaker 1: my dad says he killed your uncle. No, that's impossible. 397 00:29:14,075 --> 00:29:21,195 Speaker 1: Fauci killed my uncle Harrelson, Today's worst person in the world. 398 00:29:43,155 --> 00:29:45,595 Speaker 1: To the number one story on the Countdown and Friday's 399 00:29:45,595 --> 00:29:49,435 Speaker 1: with Thurber. And I don't know when I went to 400 00:29:49,595 --> 00:29:53,955 Speaker 1: Sullivan became my father's favorite Thurber story. I suspect it 401 00:29:54,035 --> 00:29:56,155 Speaker 1: was in the hospital when I was reading to him 402 00:29:56,155 --> 00:29:58,395 Speaker 1: in the last six months of his life. I know 403 00:29:58,475 --> 00:30:00,635 Speaker 1: I read it to him at least half a dozen times, 404 00:30:00,675 --> 00:30:05,195 Speaker 1: the first five by his request. The last time he 405 00:30:05,275 --> 00:30:07,555 Speaker 1: did not request it. In fact, and this is the 406 00:30:07,595 --> 00:30:11,115 Speaker 1: most perverse kind of compliment I think any restriter has 407 00:30:11,155 --> 00:30:15,075 Speaker 1: ever received. I read this story to him. It was 408 00:30:15,115 --> 00:30:17,195 Speaker 1: the last thing that I read to him. In fact, 409 00:30:17,235 --> 00:30:19,235 Speaker 1: it was the last thing he did on earth, was 410 00:30:19,235 --> 00:30:23,595 Speaker 1: to listen to this story in a state of semi consciousness. 411 00:30:24,435 --> 00:30:26,675 Speaker 1: He waited till the end of it. He took one deep, 412 00:30:26,795 --> 00:30:31,915 Speaker 1: satisfied breath, and he died. I don't recommend this, but 413 00:30:31,995 --> 00:30:34,195 Speaker 1: I think it does speak to the quality of the writing. 414 00:30:34,875 --> 00:30:40,755 Speaker 1: I went to Sullivant by James Thurber. I was reminded 415 00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:43,195 Speaker 1: the other morning by what I don't remember, and it 416 00:30:43,195 --> 00:30:46,435 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, of a crisp September morning last year when 417 00:30:46,435 --> 00:30:48,915 Speaker 1: I went to the Grand Central to see a little 418 00:30:48,915 --> 00:30:52,035 Speaker 1: boy of ten get excitedly on a special coach that 419 00:30:52,195 --> 00:30:55,315 Speaker 1: was to take him to a boys' school somewhere north 420 00:30:55,355 --> 00:30:58,435 Speaker 1: of Boston. He had never been away to school before. 421 00:30:59,195 --> 00:31:02,875 Speaker 1: The coach was squirming with youngsters. You could tell after 422 00:31:02,915 --> 00:31:06,755 Speaker 1: a while the novitiate shining and tremulous, and a little 423 00:31:06,755 --> 00:31:09,875 Speaker 1: odd from the more aloof boys who had been away 424 00:31:09,915 --> 00:31:13,235 Speaker 1: to school before. But they were very much alike at 425 00:31:13,315 --> 00:31:16,875 Speaker 1: first glance. There was for me, in case you thought 426 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,595 Speaker 1: I was leading up to that, no sharp feeling of 427 00:31:19,875 --> 00:31:23,715 Speaker 1: old lost years in the tense atmosphere of that coach. 428 00:31:23,755 --> 00:31:25,995 Speaker 1: Because I never went away to a private school. When 429 00:31:25,995 --> 00:31:29,515 Speaker 1: I was a little boy. I went to Sullivant School 430 00:31:29,595 --> 00:31:32,475 Speaker 1: in Columbus. I thought about it as I walked back 431 00:31:32,475 --> 00:31:36,915 Speaker 1: to my hotel. Sullivant was an ordinary public school, and 432 00:31:36,995 --> 00:31:39,675 Speaker 1: yet it was not like any other I have ever 433 00:31:39,755 --> 00:31:43,955 Speaker 1: known of. In seeking an adjective to describe the Sullivant 434 00:31:44,035 --> 00:31:46,675 Speaker 1: School of my years, nineteen hundred and nineteen hundred and eight, 435 00:31:47,395 --> 00:31:52,595 Speaker 1: I can only think of tough. Sullivant School was tough. 436 00:31:53,475 --> 00:31:56,275 Speaker 1: The boys of Sullivant came mostly from the region around 437 00:31:56,355 --> 00:31:59,955 Speaker 1: Central Market, a poorish district with many families of the 438 00:32:00,035 --> 00:32:03,715 Speaker 1: laboring class. The school district also included a number of 439 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:05,875 Speaker 1: homes of the upper classes, because at the turn of 440 00:32:05,875 --> 00:32:09,555 Speaker 1: the century, one or two old residential streets still lingered 441 00:32:09,915 --> 00:32:13,075 Speaker 1: near the shouting and rumbling of the market, reluctant to 442 00:32:13,115 --> 00:32:16,115 Speaker 1: surrender their fine old houses to the encroaching rabble of 443 00:32:16,155 --> 00:32:20,355 Speaker 1: commerce and become as a last. They now have more 444 00:32:20,715 --> 00:32:26,075 Speaker 1: vulgar business streets. I remember always, first of all, the 445 00:32:26,155 --> 00:32:30,715 Speaker 1: Cullibant baseball team. Most grammar school baseball teams are made 446 00:32:30,755 --> 00:32:32,635 Speaker 1: up of boys in the seventh and eighth grades, or 447 00:32:32,675 --> 00:32:35,675 Speaker 1: they were in my day, But with Sullibant it was different. 448 00:32:36,235 --> 00:32:38,995 Speaker 1: Several of its best players were in the fourth grade, 449 00:32:39,475 --> 00:32:42,835 Speaker 1: known to the teachers of the school as the terrible fourth. 450 00:32:43,795 --> 00:32:51,555 Speaker 1: In that grade you first encountered fractions and long division, 451 00:32:52,395 --> 00:32:58,235 Speaker 1: and many pupils lodged there for years, like logs in 452 00:32:58,315 --> 00:33:02,115 Speaker 1: a brook. Some of the more able baseball players have 453 00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:04,875 Speaker 1: been in the fourth grade for seven or eight years 454 00:33:06,275 --> 00:33:08,715 Speaker 1: then too, there were a number of boys who had 455 00:33:08,755 --> 00:33:10,835 Speaker 1: not been in the class past the normal time, but 456 00:33:10,835 --> 00:33:15,235 Speaker 1: were nevertheless deep into their teens. They had avoided starting 457 00:33:15,315 --> 00:33:19,155 Speaker 1: to school by eluding the truant officer until they were 458 00:33:19,195 --> 00:33:21,955 Speaker 1: ready to go into long pants, but he always got 459 00:33:21,995 --> 00:33:24,715 Speaker 1: them in the end. One or two of these fourth 460 00:33:24,755 --> 00:33:28,675 Speaker 1: graders were seventeen or eighteen years old, but the dean 461 00:33:28,915 --> 00:33:32,315 Speaker 1: of the squad was a tall, husky young man of 462 00:33:32,395 --> 00:33:36,395 Speaker 1: twenty two who was in the fifth grade. The teachers 463 00:33:36,435 --> 00:33:38,275 Speaker 1: of the third and fourth had got tired of having 464 00:33:38,315 --> 00:33:40,635 Speaker 1: him around as the years rolled along and had pushed 465 00:33:40,675 --> 00:33:44,875 Speaker 1: him on. His name was Dana Wayney, and he had 466 00:33:44,915 --> 00:33:49,555 Speaker 1: a mustache. Don't ask me why his parents allowed him 467 00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:52,235 Speaker 1: to stay in school so long. There were many mysteries 468 00:33:52,235 --> 00:33:55,195 Speaker 1: at Sullivans that were never cleared up. All I know 469 00:33:55,395 --> 00:33:58,315 Speaker 1: is why he kept on in school and didn't go 470 00:33:58,355 --> 00:34:02,675 Speaker 1: to work. He liked playing on the baseball team, and 471 00:34:02,755 --> 00:34:04,995 Speaker 1: he had a pretty easy time in class because the 472 00:34:05,035 --> 00:34:07,595 Speaker 1: teachers had given up asking him any questions at all 473 00:34:07,835 --> 00:34:12,115 Speaker 1: years before. The story was that he had answered but 474 00:34:12,275 --> 00:34:15,035 Speaker 1: one question in the seventeen years he had been going 475 00:34:15,075 --> 00:34:18,715 Speaker 1: to classes at Sullivant, and that was what is one 476 00:34:18,915 --> 00:34:25,315 Speaker 1: use of the comma the kami, said Dana embarrassedly, unsnarling 477 00:34:25,355 --> 00:34:28,235 Speaker 1: his long legs from beneath a desk much too low 478 00:34:28,315 --> 00:34:32,635 Speaker 1: for him, is used to shoot marbles with Kami's was 479 00:34:32,675 --> 00:34:35,475 Speaker 1: our word for those cheap ten percent marbles, in case 480 00:34:35,475 --> 00:34:40,075 Speaker 1: it wasn't yours. The Sullivant School baseball team of nineteen 481 00:34:40,155 --> 00:34:43,675 Speaker 1: hundred and five defeated several high school teams in the 482 00:34:43,715 --> 00:34:46,475 Speaker 1: city and claimed the high school championship of the state, 483 00:34:46,515 --> 00:34:49,035 Speaker 1: to which title it had, of course, no technical right. 484 00:34:50,075 --> 00:34:52,915 Speaker 1: I believe the boys could have proved their moral right 485 00:34:52,955 --> 00:34:55,555 Speaker 1: to the championship, however, if they had been allowed to 486 00:34:55,555 --> 00:34:58,635 Speaker 1: go out of town and play all the teams they challenged, 487 00:34:58,955 --> 00:35:02,515 Speaker 1: such as the powerful Dayton and Toledo Nines. But their 488 00:35:02,595 --> 00:35:06,275 Speaker 1: road season was called off after a terrific fight that 489 00:35:06,755 --> 00:35:12,515 Speaker 1: occurred during one game at Mount Stirling or Picquah or Xenia, 490 00:35:13,355 --> 00:35:17,675 Speaker 1: I can't remember which. Our first baseman, Dana Whaney, crowned 491 00:35:17,715 --> 00:35:21,395 Speaker 1: the umpire with a bat during an altercation overcalled strike 492 00:35:21,435 --> 00:35:24,195 Speaker 1: and the fight was on. It took place in the 493 00:35:24,275 --> 00:35:26,195 Speaker 1: fourth inning, so of course the game was never finished. 494 00:35:26,635 --> 00:35:29,395 Speaker 1: The battle continued on down into the business section of 495 00:35:29,435 --> 00:35:33,075 Speaker 1: the town and raged for hours with much destruction of property. 496 00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:37,235 Speaker 1: But since Sullivan was ahead of the time seventeen to nothing, 497 00:35:37,835 --> 00:35:39,955 Speaker 1: there could have been no doubt as to the outcome. 498 00:35:41,355 --> 00:35:44,875 Speaker 1: Nobody was killed. All of us boys were sure our 499 00:35:44,955 --> 00:35:47,955 Speaker 1: team could have beaten Ohio State University that year, but 500 00:35:47,995 --> 00:35:53,235 Speaker 1: they wouldn't play us. They were scared. Wayney was by 501 00:35:53,235 --> 00:35:55,715 Speaker 1: no means the biggest or toughest guy on the Grammar 502 00:35:55,755 --> 00:35:58,315 Speaker 1: School team. He was merely the oldest, being about a 503 00:35:58,435 --> 00:36:02,595 Speaker 1: year the senior of Floyd, the center fielder who could 504 00:36:02,675 --> 00:36:04,915 Speaker 1: jump five feet straight into the air without taking a 505 00:36:04,955 --> 00:36:09,595 Speaker 1: running start. Nobody knew, not even the Board of Education, 506 00:36:09,675 --> 00:36:13,955 Speaker 1: which once tried to find out whether Floyd was Floyd's 507 00:36:14,395 --> 00:36:21,035 Speaker 1: first name or his last name. He apparently only had one. 508 00:36:21,115 --> 00:36:24,235 Speaker 1: He didn't have any parents, and nobody, including himself, seemed 509 00:36:24,275 --> 00:36:27,515 Speaker 1: to know where he lived. When teachers insisted that he 510 00:36:27,595 --> 00:36:29,515 Speaker 1: must have another name to go with Floyd, he would 511 00:36:29,515 --> 00:36:33,875 Speaker 1: grow sullen and ominous, and they would cease questioning him 512 00:36:33,875 --> 00:36:37,675 Speaker 1: because he was a dangerous scholar in his schoolroom brawl, 513 00:36:37,755 --> 00:36:40,475 Speaker 1: as mister Harrigan, the janitor found out one morning when 514 00:36:40,475 --> 00:36:44,035 Speaker 1: he was called in by a screaming teacher. All our 515 00:36:44,115 --> 00:36:47,875 Speaker 1: teachers were women. To get Floyd under control. After she 516 00:36:47,995 --> 00:36:51,195 Speaker 1: had tried to whip him and he had begun to 517 00:36:51,355 --> 00:36:56,875 Speaker 1: take the room apart, beginning with the desks. Floyd broke 518 00:36:56,915 --> 00:36:59,755 Speaker 1: into small pieces the switch she had used on him. 519 00:37:00,315 --> 00:37:03,755 Speaker 1: Some said he also ate it. I don't know, because 520 00:37:03,755 --> 00:37:05,995 Speaker 1: I was home sick of time with mumps or something. 521 00:37:06,995 --> 00:37:10,795 Speaker 1: Harrigan was a burly, iron muscle janitor, a man come 522 00:37:10,875 --> 00:37:13,715 Speaker 1: from a long line of coal shovelers, but he was 523 00:37:13,755 --> 00:37:16,235 Speaker 1: no match for Floyd, who had to be sure the 524 00:37:16,275 --> 00:37:19,755 Speaker 1: considerable advantage of being more aroused than mister Harrigan. When 525 00:37:19,755 --> 00:37:23,115 Speaker 1: their fight started, Floyd had him down and was sitting 526 00:37:23,115 --> 00:37:25,155 Speaker 1: on his chest in no time, and Harrogan had to 527 00:37:25,155 --> 00:37:27,555 Speaker 1: promise to be good and to say that's what I 528 00:37:27,635 --> 00:37:33,035 Speaker 1: get ten times before Floyd would let him up. I 529 00:37:33,115 --> 00:37:36,315 Speaker 1: don't suppose I would ever have got through Sullivant School 530 00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:39,995 Speaker 1: alive if it hadn't been for Floyd. For some reason, 531 00:37:40,075 --> 00:37:44,315 Speaker 1: he appointed himself my protector, and I needed one. If 532 00:37:44,355 --> 00:37:46,915 Speaker 1: Floyd was known to be on your side, nobody in 533 00:37:46,955 --> 00:37:50,235 Speaker 1: the school would dare be after you and chase you home. 534 00:37:50,715 --> 00:37:52,955 Speaker 1: I was one of the ten or fifteen male pupils 535 00:37:53,035 --> 00:37:57,475 Speaker 1: in Sullivant School who always or almost always knew their lessons, 536 00:37:57,955 --> 00:38:00,875 Speaker 1: and I believe Floyd admired the mental prowess of a 537 00:38:00,915 --> 00:38:04,355 Speaker 1: youngster who knew how many continents there were and whether 538 00:38:04,435 --> 00:38:08,715 Speaker 1: or not the sun was inhabited. Also, one time, when 539 00:38:08,715 --> 00:38:11,275 Speaker 1: it came to be my turn to read to the class, 540 00:38:11,315 --> 00:38:15,035 Speaker 1: we used to take turns reading American history aloud, I 541 00:38:15,075 --> 00:38:18,875 Speaker 1: came across the word ducane and knew how to pronounce it. 542 00:38:19,675 --> 00:38:23,995 Speaker 1: That charmed Floyd, who had been slouched in his seat 543 00:38:24,075 --> 00:38:27,475 Speaker 1: idly following the printed page of his worn and penciled textbook. 544 00:38:28,595 --> 00:38:31,755 Speaker 1: How you know that was ducane, boy, he asked me 545 00:38:31,835 --> 00:38:35,635 Speaker 1: after class. I don't know, I said, I just knew it. 546 00:38:36,515 --> 00:38:39,715 Speaker 1: He looked at me with round eyes. Oh that's something 547 00:38:39,955 --> 00:38:43,115 Speaker 1: he said. After that word got around that Floyd would 548 00:38:43,115 --> 00:38:45,555 Speaker 1: beat the tar out of anybody that messed around with me. 549 00:38:46,795 --> 00:38:48,915 Speaker 1: I wore glasses from the time I was eight, and 550 00:38:48,995 --> 00:38:51,155 Speaker 1: I knew my lessons, and both of those things were 551 00:38:51,155 --> 00:38:56,355 Speaker 1: considered pretty terrible at Sullivan. Floyd had one idiosyncrasy, though, 552 00:38:56,635 --> 00:39:00,475 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds, long warm, furry gloves that 553 00:39:00,515 --> 00:39:04,275 Speaker 1: came almost to your elbows were popular with boys, and 554 00:39:04,355 --> 00:39:07,955 Speaker 1: Floyd had one of the biggest pairs in school. He 555 00:39:08,035 --> 00:39:12,795 Speaker 1: wore them the year round. Dick Peterson was an either 556 00:39:13,075 --> 00:39:15,195 Speaker 1: greater figure on the baseball team and in the school 557 00:39:15,235 --> 00:39:17,835 Speaker 1: than Floyd was. He had a way in the classroom 558 00:39:17,835 --> 00:39:26,155 Speaker 1: of blurting out a long, deep, rolling be for no 559 00:39:26,315 --> 00:39:30,115 Speaker 1: reason at all. Once he licked three boys his own 560 00:39:30,195 --> 00:39:33,835 Speaker 1: size single handed, really single handed, for he fought with 561 00:39:33,875 --> 00:39:36,995 Speaker 1: his right hand and held a mandolin in his left 562 00:39:37,035 --> 00:39:41,835 Speaker 1: hand all the time. It came out uninjured. Dick and 563 00:39:41,915 --> 00:39:45,155 Speaker 1: Floyd never met in mortal combats, so nobody ever knew 564 00:39:45,155 --> 00:39:48,595 Speaker 1: which one could beat, and the scholars were about evenly 565 00:39:48,635 --> 00:39:52,315 Speaker 1: divided in their opinions. Many a fight started among them 566 00:39:52,355 --> 00:39:55,675 Speaker 1: after school when the argument came up. I think school 567 00:39:55,715 --> 00:39:58,795 Speaker 1: never let out at Sullivan without at least one fight 568 00:39:58,875 --> 00:40:00,795 Speaker 1: starting up, and sometimes there were as many as five 569 00:40:00,915 --> 00:40:03,195 Speaker 1: or six raging between the corner of Oak and sixth 570 00:40:03,195 --> 00:40:06,075 Speaker 1: Streets and the corner of Rich and Fourth Streets four 571 00:40:06,115 --> 00:40:11,235 Speaker 1: blocks away. Now and again, virtually the whole school turned 572 00:40:11,275 --> 00:40:13,955 Speaker 1: out to fight the Catholic boys of the Holy Cross 573 00:40:13,995 --> 00:40:18,395 Speaker 1: Academy in Fifth Street near town for no reason at all. 574 00:40:18,955 --> 00:40:22,195 Speaker 1: In winter, with snowballs and ice balls. In other seasons 575 00:40:22,235 --> 00:40:26,555 Speaker 1: with fists, brick bats, and clubs. Dick Peterson was always 576 00:40:26,595 --> 00:40:32,395 Speaker 1: in the van, yelling, singing, being whirling all the way 577 00:40:32,435 --> 00:40:34,155 Speaker 1: around when he swung with his right or if he 578 00:40:34,155 --> 00:40:37,995 Speaker 1: hadn't brought his mandle in his left and missed. He 579 00:40:38,035 --> 00:40:40,355 Speaker 1: made himself the pitcher on the baseball team because he 580 00:40:40,475 --> 00:40:43,995 Speaker 1: was the captain. He was the captain because everybody else 581 00:40:44,075 --> 00:40:48,875 Speaker 1: was afraid to challenge his self election except Floyd. Floyd 582 00:40:48,995 --> 00:40:51,035 Speaker 1: was too lazy to pitch, and he didn't care who 583 00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:54,035 Speaker 1: was captain because he didn't fully incomprehend what that meant. 584 00:40:54,635 --> 00:40:59,235 Speaker 1: On one occasion, when Earl Baddock, a steamfitter's son, had 585 00:40:59,275 --> 00:41:02,195 Speaker 1: shut out Mound Street School for six innings without a hit, 586 00:41:02,595 --> 00:41:04,995 Speaker 1: Dick took him out of the pitcher's box and went 587 00:41:05,075 --> 00:41:08,755 Speaker 1: in himself. He was hit hard and the other team scored, 588 00:41:08,755 --> 00:41:10,955 Speaker 1: but it didn't make much difference because the margin of 589 00:41:10,995 --> 00:41:14,835 Speaker 1: Sullivant's victory was so great. The team didn't lose a 590 00:41:14,915 --> 00:41:19,395 Speaker 1: game for five years to another grammar school. When Dick 591 00:41:19,475 --> 00:41:22,155 Speaker 1: Peterson was in the sixth grade, he got into a 592 00:41:22,195 --> 00:41:28,035 Speaker 1: saloon brawl and was killed. When I go back to Columbus. 593 00:41:28,075 --> 00:41:31,035 Speaker 1: I always walked past Sullivant School, and I have never 594 00:41:31,115 --> 00:41:33,355 Speaker 1: happened to get there when classes were letting out, so 595 00:41:33,435 --> 00:41:36,315 Speaker 1: I don't know what the pupils are like. Now. I 596 00:41:36,355 --> 00:41:39,315 Speaker 1: am sure there are no more Dick Peterson's and no 597 00:41:39,435 --> 00:41:45,075 Speaker 1: more Floyd's, unless Floyd is still going to school there. 598 00:41:46,435 --> 00:41:49,715 Speaker 1: The playyard is still entirely bare of grass and covered 599 00:41:49,715 --> 00:41:52,635 Speaker 1: with gravel, and the sycamore still lining the curb between 600 00:41:52,635 --> 00:41:55,995 Speaker 1: the schoolhouse fence and the Oak Street car line. A 601 00:41:56,035 --> 00:41:59,075 Speaker 1: street car line running past a schoolhouse is a dangerous 602 00:41:59,075 --> 00:42:01,355 Speaker 1: thing as a rule, but I remember no one being 603 00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:05,035 Speaker 1: injured while I was attending Sullivant. I do remember, how however, 604 00:42:05,075 --> 00:42:08,075 Speaker 1: one person who came very near being injured. He was 605 00:42:08,075 --> 00:42:12,115 Speaker 1: a motorman on the Oak Street line, and once when 606 00:42:12,115 --> 00:42:14,435 Speaker 1: his car stopped at the corner of six to let 607 00:42:14,475 --> 00:42:17,755 Speaker 1: off passengers, he yelled at Chudy Davidson, who played third 608 00:42:17,755 --> 00:42:19,235 Speaker 1: base on the ball team and was a member of 609 00:42:19,235 --> 00:42:22,315 Speaker 1: the Terrible Fourth, to get out of the way. Choudy 610 00:42:22,555 --> 00:42:25,715 Speaker 1: was fourteen years old but huge for his age, and 611 00:42:25,795 --> 00:42:28,395 Speaker 1: he was standing on the tracks taking a chew of tobacco. 612 00:42:30,075 --> 00:42:32,195 Speaker 1: Come on down off of that con I'll not keep 613 00:42:32,275 --> 00:42:35,795 Speaker 1: blocked off, said Shouty in what I can only describe 614 00:42:35,795 --> 00:42:40,115 Speaker 1: as a sullivant tone of voice. The motorman waited until 615 00:42:40,355 --> 00:42:43,675 Speaker 1: Shooty moved slowly off the tracks. Then he went on 616 00:42:43,755 --> 00:42:46,955 Speaker 1: about his business. I think it was lucky for him 617 00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:53,875 Speaker 1: that he did. There were boys in those days. I 618 00:42:53,955 --> 00:43:10,675 Speaker 1: went to Sullivant by James Thurber. I've done all the 619 00:43:10,715 --> 00:43:14,155 Speaker 1: damage I can do here. Thank you for listening. 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