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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode I Legally Brunette. I

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Speaker 1: will be your host today Emily Simpson and Shane and

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Speaker 1: Shane also, before we start, I just want to remind

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Speaker 1: everyone to follow Legally Brunette wherever you listen to your podcast,

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Speaker 1: be sure to tell your friends and family to listen today.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about the episode today because there's just a

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Speaker 1: lot of things going on, you know, in my news

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Speaker 1: sorch with in my news source, which is what which

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Speaker 1: is Instagram. Yes, I realized every basic aspect of my life,

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Speaker 1: where like I find new things to incorporate into my life,

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Speaker 1: they all come from Instagram, basically tide. It's like I

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Speaker 1: follow fitness influencers, so I'm like, oh, those are workouts

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do. They came from Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is what a husband should do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I send Shane Instagram reels all the time about

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Speaker 1: husbands and how they should treat their wives and children

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Speaker 1: and anyway, So basically my life revolves around what I

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Speaker 1: see on instas which is probably sad, but anyway, let's

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Speaker 1: get into we have in the past, We've done I

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Speaker 1: think two maybe more full episodes on Blake Lively and

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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni, which was huge when it first came out.

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Speaker 1: So if you guys have not listened to those episodes,

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Speaker 1: I would suggest go back and listen to him, because

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Speaker 1: we do a really good job of just simplifying what

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Speaker 1: is going on, what she's suing him for breaking it down.

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Speaker 1: But then we took a step away because I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I just kind of got I was just kind of

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Speaker 1: over all of it.

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Speaker 3: We talked about it a little bit too, like it

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Speaker 3: kind of plateaued out.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't a whole lot. Well, I feel like publicly.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the content creators were just like jumping

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Speaker 1: forward they were talking about. But let's just do a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Because so so, Blake Lively has retained she

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Speaker 1: has a new attorney because she's going to trial soon.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're slated to go to trial.

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Speaker 2: This man attorney.

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Speaker 1: She has retained prominent attorney Secret McCauley to represent her

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Speaker 1: in her upcoming trial against Justin Baldoni. McCauley is a

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Speaker 1: managing partner at Boys Schiller Flow and is known for

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Speaker 1: previously representing sex trafficking victims connected to the late Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: She has also represented Lively's publicist, This was Leslie Sloane.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Leslie Sloane back in past episodes after

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Speaker 1: Baldoni named Sloan in a countersuit accusing her of orchestrating

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Speaker 1: a smear campaign. And if you guys remember all those

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Speaker 1: claims that Justin Baldoni had against the publicists and against

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Speaker 1: New York Times, those were all dismissed. In a statement

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Speaker 1: to The Cut, this is where the article came from,

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Speaker 1: McCauley said, it is a privilege to get to work

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Speaker 1: with Blake Lively's world class legal team on a case that,

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Speaker 1: at its core is about a woman who has subjected

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Speaker 1: standing up to protect herself and other female coworkers. As

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Speaker 1: a reminder, Lively and Baldoni have been locked in a

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Speaker 1: legal dispute since I remember it was December of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. It was before Christmas last year ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that we started. Goodness, yeah, I remember. I actually pulled

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Speaker 1: all the legal documents so again, if you guys want

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Speaker 1: it from Instagram, not from Instagram. I actually pulled all

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Speaker 1: of the documents, read them multiple times, so I feel

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Speaker 1: like we did a good breakdown on it. But as

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Speaker 1: a reminder, Lively and Baldoni had been locked in a

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Speaker 1: legal dispute since December of twenty twenty four, when Lively

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Speaker 1: sued him alleging sexual harassment and inappropriate conduct during the

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Speaker 1: filming of It Ends with Us. Baldoni responded with his

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Speaker 1: own lawsuit, accusing Lively, Sloan and Ryan Reynolds of defamation

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Speaker 1: and extortion, arguing that Lively's claims were part of a

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Speaker 1: broader effort to wrestle creative control of the film away

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Speaker 1: from him, and that countersuit was dismissed by a judge

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Speaker 1: back in June of twenty twenty five. The trial itself

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Speaker 2: Do you stand on the You're a huge Baldoni?

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Speaker 1: Oh my opinion, well, my opinion of him and of

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively has not changed at all. I still by

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Speaker 1: from what I have seen, stantial substantial evidence to back

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Speaker 1: that up. We will continue to follow that. There was

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Speaker 1: also another article and extra. It was about Justin Baldoni.

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Speaker 1: He claims that Blake Lively calls her New York City

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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni has offered new details about meetings he had

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Speaker 1: with Blake Lively while filming It Ends with Us, according

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Speaker 1: described those interactions in a transcript which was obtained by

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Speaker 1: New York City home as Buckingham Palace, and nickname, he explained,

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Speaker 1: was tied to the number of well known figures who

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Speaker 1: passed through its space, it's halls, through its hallowed halls.

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Speaker 1: In November, people reported on an unsealed email that referenced

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Well, we knew Taylor Swift because that was

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Speaker 1: the I guess remember when Ryan Reynolds freezed out one

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Speaker 1: of the well they justin Baldoni went to her home

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Speaker 1: and apparently he flipped out on him and was berating him,

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Speaker 1: And I guess Taylor Swift was allegedly there, and that's

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Speaker 3: Well, and then she's probably involved because they want to

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Speaker 3: pick her brain on whatever conversations she's had with Lively

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Speaker 1: Which I still I believe. I don't think they're friends

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Speaker 2: A She's going to write an album about it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's coming out soon, to be very sad. Also,

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Speaker 1: allegedly Hugh Jackman was present during this confrontation involving Baldonia

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Speaker 2: Why was he there?

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Speaker 1: I don't know where Reynolds unloaded.

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Speaker 3: I guess filming with Reynolds, right? Were they filming like

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Speaker 3: the Wolverine Dead Deadpool stuff?

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Speaker 1: Oh? So, I guess he was at Buckingham Palace too,

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Speaker 1: I guess. And this is during that confrontation we just

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Speaker 1: talked about telling him how horrible it was that Baldoni

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Speaker 1: had asked lively about her weight. Do you remember that

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Speaker 1: that was an issue where she said he harassed her

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Speaker 1: because I guess he had gone to her personal trainer

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Speaker 1: and asked how much she weighed and then it got

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Speaker 1: back to her. But he claims he asked how much

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Speaker 3: Calm down people. So why do you ask how much

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Speaker 3: she weighed? I mean, people ask how tall you are?

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Speaker 3: And is that supposed to be offensive?

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Speaker 1: Don't? Is it offensive when people ask you how tall

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Speaker 1: you are? Are you offended? Mine?

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Speaker 2: I am going to start suing people, are you yes? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Notes don't ask Shane how tall he.

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Speaker 2: Is a lot of money asked me. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: see you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's move on from that. If anything

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Speaker 1: new develops and that will definitely talk about it. But

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Speaker 1: we will definitely follow the trial. If I still can't

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Speaker 1: is going to trial, but we'll see if it continues

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Speaker 1: on to May. This is a new developing story. It

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Speaker 1: happens in Ohio. I feel like there's so many things

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Speaker 1: If you guys don't know that, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: You do it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's because I think publicly they release bodycam footage,

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Speaker 3: and journalists have more access probably to all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: So it spreads like wildfire, and you're saying your people

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Speaker 2: are murderers. My people are your people? My people?

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Speaker 1: Well, the reason I say a lot of things happens

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Speaker 1: in Ohio is because I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 1: know this, but I've always I've always been obsessed with

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Speaker 1: Forensic Files, and I have there's Forensic Files too. I've seen, No,

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Speaker 1: it's not as good as the original, but I have

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Speaker 1: seen every episode of Forensic Files. And I will tell

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Speaker 1: you if you guys watch Forensic Files, or if you

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Speaker 1: start watching it, or if you haven't watched but now

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Speaker 1: you're in tune to watching it again, you will now

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Speaker 1: notice after hearing this that the majority of the stories

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Speaker 1: on Forensic Files happened in Ohio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, I think it's because whoever was the

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Speaker 3: creator of Forensic Files, or you know, the researchers and

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Speaker 3: all that there's probably more accessible, you know, info that

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Speaker 2: All right, So trying to help your people out.

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Speaker 1: I know, I get it. You're saying it's accessible as

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Speaker 1: opposed to in proportionate with other states. Correct, disproportionate, correct?

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Speaker 1: All right, So, if you guys have been following the

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Speaker 1: a man named Spencer, I guess tepie teep I don't

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Speaker 1: This is the Ohio dentist. He was a well regarded

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Speaker 1: thirty seven year old dentist and his wife, Monique, who

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Speaker 1: I was home on December thirtieth, twenty twenty five, while

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Speaker 2: What kind of job did you have?

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Speaker 1: He's a dentist.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot everybody killed. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got. That's the professions mixed up.

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Speaker 1: I just said dentists. This is what it's like being

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Speaker 2: Jeez, maybe I'm quizzing you making sure you're paying attention

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Speaker 2: to dentists.

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Speaker 1: He's a dentist.

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Speaker 3: His well, okay, so to my point, yes, he might

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Speaker 2: Why do you say that, because dentists don't necessarily have

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Speaker 2: to work five days a week.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: He didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: No, I have a friend of orthodox. He lives in

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Speaker 3: one state and he comes to California for three days

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Speaker 1: Oh well, my friend who is a dentist, she works

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Speaker 1: in Arizona and here, so you'll see.

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Speaker 2: Still see, I don't know okay, and then you wonder

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Speaker 2: about me.

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Speaker 1: Okay. His employer was doctor Mark Vauros. He told dispatchers

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Speaker 1: that Spencer's unexplained absence was alarming, so that's how they

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Speaker 1: were tipped off. In the beginning. He doesn't show up

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Speaker 1: for work, and they said that he was responsible, always

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Speaker 1: on time, so the fact that he was not at work,

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Speaker 3: If I didn't show for work, there'd be no one

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Speaker 3: would nod again.

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Speaker 1: No, but you know what, this is what Shane, this

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Speaker 1: is what Shane Noy says. The only welfare check that

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Speaker 1: would come for me would be from Nordstrum.

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Speaker 2: Right. They'd be like, we have some concerns. We have

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Speaker 1: So Michael David McKee, who is a thirty nine year

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Speaker 1: arrested eleven days later. They did have I don't know

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Speaker 2: But you couldn't make out who it was.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was just a man and like a you know,

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Speaker 1: Was eleven days. Court records show that Michael McKee and

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Speaker 3: Again long ago, because now she moved on. She's married,

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Speaker 1: And she's married to a dentist. You know, I had

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Speaker 1: he's successful and he's educated. Yes, yes, you're right. The torso,

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Speaker 1: At the time of the filing, McKee was living in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: and records indicate the couple were already separated. The divorce

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Speaker 1: was finalized roughly a month later. The filings do not

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Speaker 2: Years, I believe in any cleaner of a separation.

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Speaker 1: No, they were married two years, but I think I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, it couldn't be any cleaner separation.

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Speaker 1: They had no children, so you're not talking about someone

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Speaker 3: They have to maintain a relationship because they got a

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Speaker 2: So there's no some business.

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Speaker 1: No, they were married in twenty fifteen, and then they

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Speaker 1: So as part of the divorce settlement, McKee retained ownership

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Speaker 2: They was just away.

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Speaker 2: It's walked away from each other, right, they had no

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Speaker 1: She did some people to come forward, her family, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was five hundred miles away. Oh my godess,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. Yeah, he knows where she is. Right.

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Speaker 1: So allegedly we just talked about this a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: The fact that she was strong enough to only be

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Speaker 2: Either way, she didn't. She didn't go after it.

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Speaker 1: Whether she's like I'll take my car and my debt

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Speaker 2: Five hundred miles away to drive five.

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Speaker 2: He's settled down? Is he a wife and kids?

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Speaker 1: And I don't believe he does.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, that we're aware of at this point, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, But I thus far, I'm going to guess that

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to see if there's a history there, right,

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Speaker 1: According to court filings, investigators trace McKee to a vehicle

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Speaker 2: And then there was enough of the vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they could get a license plate from it.

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Speaker 3: And that car belonged to a residence five hundred miles away.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's not like they live. He can't come up

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Speaker 2: You mean to not leave any evidence behind.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, a digital footprint is unreal. I

441
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Speaker 1: mean the way that you can.

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Speaker 3: Just they can they can go on his car and

443
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 3: depending on the car, they can look at his GPS

444
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 3: and see if there's a history there. Right, he might

445
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 3: have punched in her address maybe yeah, and so maybe

446
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 3: it's in the favorites.

447
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: And just the surveillance cameras everywhere, oh yeah, and the

448
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 1: ring footage everywhere. I don't know if you could drive

449
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Speaker 1: anywhere without your vehicle being picked up somewhere at some point,

450
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Speaker 1: and your cell phone.

451
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Speaker 3: And the phone, your phone and that, and they don't

452
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Speaker 3: necessarily the triangular you know location that they used to use.

453
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Speaker 3: Now it's pretty dang accurate. Yeah, it's not like, well

454
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Speaker 3: within this, you know, thirty square miles he was there.

455
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Speaker 1: Well, this is what I don't understand of these people

456
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Speaker 1: that or.

457
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Speaker 2: And no one uses cash.

458
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Speaker 3: So if you go buy gas, right he had to

459
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Speaker 3: buy gas in five hundred miles or even if he

460
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 3: had to charge his car, it's going to track it.

461
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: It's going to show a trail.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. If you're going to commit a

463
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Speaker 1: murder and don't.

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Speaker 2: Murder anymore, I know, difficult to get away with in

465
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Speaker 2: present day.

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Speaker 1: You have to be way smarter too. Over you've got

467
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Speaker 1: to think around those things. You can't cure your cell

468
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: phone with you. You can't drive a car.

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Speaker 3: When they burn down a house or something to try

470
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Speaker 3: to get rid of evidence, they actually can create evidence.

471
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Speaker 3: He's an accelerator here, you know, there's this and that,

472
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Speaker 3: and sometimes they can look at the gas can and

473
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Speaker 3: the backtrack things like that, or if you know someone's

474
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Speaker 3: if the body was burned, and then now the house

475
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Speaker 3: was burned down, right, and they can't let's say, they

476
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Speaker 3: can't determine how the homicide was done, right, how the

477
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Speaker 3: murder was committed. But now they know that it was

478
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Speaker 3: an arson or it was an intentional act to burn

479
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Speaker 3: the house down. So now they know it's a homicide

480
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Speaker 3: as opposed to an accident, right because they see accelerators

481
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Speaker 3: or they see whatever, or they see it started over

482
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Speaker 3: here in the bedroom and there's no reason to start there,

483
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Speaker 3: so they actually create evidence.

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Speaker 2: So the same thing is, if you plan a murder right,

485
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Speaker 2: you're actually going to create a lot of breadcrumbs.

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Speaker 1: Right because you go get your bikes.

487
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Speaker 2: I'm going to look up where she lives. Right, I'm

488
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Speaker 2: gonna put it in my GPS. I'm gonna go buy

489
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Speaker 2: a gun, right and swipe my card. I mean everything

490
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Speaker 2: leaves a footprint exactly. I'm going to ring the door bell.

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Speaker 1: No, no ringing the doorbell.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why again.

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Speaker 1: See we've talked about so many cases. That's why again

494
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Speaker 1: when I think back to Karen Reid, and there's no

495
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Speaker 1: there's no surveillance, there's no ring footage of anything from

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Speaker 1: that night.

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Speaker 3: You just got to get the Boston PD to join

498
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Speaker 3: in on the murder if you want to get away with.

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Speaker 1: It, prosecutors said. A search of the key's residents turned

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Speaker 1: up several firearms, including one that authorities believe may have

501
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: been used in the killings. Investigators also documented three spent

502
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Speaker 1: nine millimeter shell casings that were recovered from the home

503
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Speaker 1: and entered into evidence. Officials are still working to establish

504
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Speaker 1: whether the firearm in question was legally purchased. However, the

505
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Speaker 1: firearm that was used was used with a silencer. So

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Speaker 1: talk about more planning, right, he purchased a silencer or

507
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Speaker 1: made a silencer. I don't know if it was like

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Speaker 1: a homemade one or what. I don't know. Can you

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Speaker 1: buy a silencer? I don't even know. Can you just

510
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Speaker 1: you can't?

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Speaker 2: Can you?

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Speaker 1: We're not, I don't know. It seems like why would

513
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Speaker 1: you need it.

514
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Speaker 3: I think there's restrictions around it, and it's definitely like,

515
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: you know, alarming, right.

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because why why do you need to silence it?

517
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: Columbus police have also confirmed that McKee was the man

518
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Speaker 1: seen walking in an alley via video surveillance behind the

519
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Speaker 1: Tepees home the night of the murders. A Franklin County

520
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: grand jury has formally indicted Michael McKee on multiple felony charges.

521
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Speaker 1: The indictment, which was issued on January sixteenth, contains five

522
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Speaker 1: counts total, including four counts of aggravated murder and one

523
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Speaker 1: count of aggravated burglary. I just want to talk about

524
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Speaker 1: this for a second, because we did talk about this

525
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: with judg aggravated. The aggravated part. The reason is judgels

526
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Speaker 1: with Judge Lis it's an enhancement. And the reason it's

527
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Speaker 1: aggravated is because one because of the premeditation involved in

528
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Speaker 1: the actual planning, but also the use of the silencer.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's huge, right.

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Speaker 1: And then aggravated burglary. It's considered burglary just entering a

531
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Speaker 1: home at night with the intent to commit a crime.

532
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Speaker 1: You don't actually have to steal something, even though burglary

533
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: everybody thinks burglary means some like a cat burglar. Burglar, Well,

534
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: like when someone goes in the house and steals something,

535
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Speaker 1: acting like a cat, because it's like a cat burglar,

536
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Speaker 1: you know, like they go in the house with the

537
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Speaker 1: intent to steal the But burglary isn't. The intent just

538
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: to steal. Burglary is entering a home at night with

539
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Speaker 1: the intent to commit a felony. According to charging documents

540
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Speaker 1: released by the Franklin County Prosecutor's Office, McKee is accused

541
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Speaker 1: of possessing a firearm that was equipped with a firearm

542
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: muffler or suppressor on or about his person or under

543
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: his control while committing the offense. You know what else,

544
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Speaker 1: I read that I was wondering how they knew this.

545
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I also read that his charges were considered aggravated because

546
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Speaker 1: he showed or brandished the weapon. Each aggravated murder charge

547
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: carries firearms specifications, including a three year enhancement for using

548
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Speaker 1: a gun in the commission of the crime. And an

549
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: additional six year and he tied to the alleged use

550
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Speaker 1: of firearms suppressor. You know, it also should be enhanced

551
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: because there's kids in the house that probably has something

552
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: to do with it too. It's even though he left

553
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: them alone. There's a one year old and a four

554
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Speaker 1: year old.

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Speaker 2: The enhancement seller kind of, I mean, I get it.

556
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Speaker 3: The idea is like, oh, he's even more evil because

557
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: he wanted to silence it. He premeditated it. But I

558
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: mean it's not going to work. It's not like someone's

559
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: gonna like, dude, don't use a silencer. It might aggravate

560
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: the murder. We might get, you know, multiple years attached concurrently.

561
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Speaker 1: So McKee has not entered a plea. Investigators have not

562
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: determined a motive in the killings, and no bond has

563
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: been issued. I don't know, let's think about motive.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll tell you the motive. He wants her

565
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: dead and her husband, right. I don't think it's difficult, I.

566
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Speaker 1: Know, but I think people want to wrap their brain

567
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: around what it was that triggered him to premeditate get

568
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: in a car, drive five hundred miles nine years later,

569
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Speaker 1: nine years later, and murder two people in their home

570
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Speaker 1: who have children. Why has he not moved?

571
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: And then why didn't he kill? Thankfully but he didn't.

572
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: But why didn't he touch the children or kill the children?

573
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 2: He does morals has moral kids are off limits?

574
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Right? You know what else I was thinking about because

575
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: we talked about this before when we did the Christmas

576
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Eve massacre and remember we to It reminds me because

577
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: remember that guy worked for NASA Santa Claus. He dressed

578
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: up as Santa Claus and then killed his ex wife

579
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: and her basically her entire family on Christmas Eve. But

580
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: he was educated, he worked for NASA, and they had

581
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: only been married a short period of time and they

582
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: had no children. And remember we talked about why why

583
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: do you walk away? Why? I can't remember. I said,

584
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: if you want to get revenge, why can't you do

585
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: it in a healthy way, like go to the gym?

586
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: What about revenge? Body like, why do you have to

587
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: Why do we have to murder and take people out

588
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: because you're mad that someone moved?

589
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 2: On time you get mad me, I'm like, babe, just

590
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: just go to the gym.

591
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: I do. Why do you say I go to the

592
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: gym every.

593
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: Day because they're mad at the world.

594
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: I'm mad at me. I was saying, I was thinking

595
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: of that because.

596
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: You have these love you too, Thank you.

597
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: You're talking about two men who have worked really hard

598
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: to have a professional career, who went to school for

599
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: a long period of time, who have the ability to

600
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: have a nice life and make money, and then they

601
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: go and do something stupid and murder people and they're

602
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: going to spend the rest of their life in jail.

603
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm not talking about someone that

604
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: has a crap life that grew up abused and liked

605
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: know and feels like they have no means of ever

606
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: being successful or getting anywhere in life. I'm talking about

607
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: someone who spent a lot of time on education and

608
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: building a career and doing a residency and being a

609
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: doctor and then gets in a car and drives five

610
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: hundred miles in ruins at all. That doesn't make any

611
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: sense to me. That's the part I don't understand. That's

612
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

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00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying, but I think the better

614
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: argument for your point is if someone can compose themselves

615
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: and focus and actually have end goals to work for

616
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: NASA or be a vascular surgeon and all these things

617
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: to be able to hunker down and do what you

618
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: need to do to have such a career to get

619
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Speaker 3: to that point. Why can't he kind of control his

620
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: emotions and other things?

621
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Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm saying why can't you?

622
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: Because I don't think education alone. It's not like he

623
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: went to NASA school and he thought, well, these I

624
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: learned at NASA school that murder is bad.

625
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: No, NASA school doesn't teach you murder.

626
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: NASA school, you know what I mean.

627
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: Let's move on, but we will stay. I'm invested in this, Ohio, Dennis,

628
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: and I want to know more, so we will definitely

629
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: say on top of this case and talk about it again.

630
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: This case. I find this case even more intriguing than

631
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: the dentist's case, the O pair affair. Okay, lots to

632
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: talk about here. So Brendan Bamfield and Juliana Perez magaualis.

633
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said that right. It's Brazilian.

634
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: She's Brazilian. You speak Portuguese. How do you say her

635
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: last name?

636
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: Let me see it? What's the saying right her? Well?

637
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: Perez Perez Marga yells, Magga yels Maugga yells.

638
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Shane speaks Portuguese in case anyone was interested, because he

639
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: did a year.

640
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: Long mission in I did two years.

641
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: Yes, but I met a year in Portugal.

642
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: About a year in Portugal, right, a year in caval

643
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: vert They speak Creole, right, the fisial language Portugal. But

644
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: everyone in the street speaks corol.

645
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: So. Brendan Banfield and this O pair named Juliana, I'm

646
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: just gonna call her Juliana, conspired to kill her. Name

647
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: is Juliana. I'm just gonna call her. That conspired to

648
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: kill Brendan's wife, Christine Banfield so the two of them

649
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: could be together. The other victim in this case, Joseph Ryan,

650
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: was an outsider who was allured to the home through

651
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: a fetish website that Brendan and Juliana allegedly catfished him on.

652
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: A fetish website fetishish.

653
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: I think it was called like it's like fetish dot

654
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: com or it was. Well, let's we have to give

655
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: a little background on this case.

656
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: First.

657
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Speaker 1: First of all, she is a like twenty year old,

658
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: well she's twenty three or four pair. She came to

659
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: the United States through an O pair company, and she's

660
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: Brazilian and I think she was twenty or twenty one

661
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: when she came here, Okay, and she started working for

662
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: them when she was like twenty one years old, and

663
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: they were only paying her two hundred dollars a week

664
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: for an OH pair. But the right that was the

665
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: perk was that she came to the United States through

666
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: this O pair company and then she had free room

667
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: and board, and then she got a little spending cash

668
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: on the side. Okay, First of all, I have to say,

669
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: from a wife point of view, there will be no

670
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: twenty one year old Brazilian OH pairs that live in

671
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: our home.

672
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: What country can she come from?

673
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: None?

674
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: There were just okay, but that's offensive, you know. No,

675
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying you don't trust me, Thank you, I trust you.

676
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, why say from Brazil? What's the

677
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: matter where she's from?

678
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: Because Brazilian live in or hot you say that all

679
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: the time.

680
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: I to say, brazil women, I ever said that once

681
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: in my life.

682
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. You're always like, let's go to

683
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: all that's yeah?

684
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: Is what mean? Goodness? You say let's go to Greece?

685
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: Oh a Greek man?

686
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Well, creep b wait ticket, all right, thank you?

687
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: Have you looked up a picture of her?

688
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was just cute.

689
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, men are attracted things other than physical like physique.

690
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: No, they're not. Stop stop with that. So in fall, okay, So,

691
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: Juliana goes to work as an O pair for Brendan

692
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: and Christine Banfield. When she was about twenty one years old.

693
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: She and Brendan Banfield began a sexual relationship. About ten

694
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: months later, prosecutors say Banfield began plotting to kill his wife, Christine,

695
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: creating a fake profile on a fetish website to communicate

696
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: with Joseph Ryan points.

697
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: Okay, one or a question one? How old is he

698
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: the husband?

699
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the murder, I don't know, but I would say

700
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: from the way he looks, he looks like he's in

701
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: his forties. Also he also is a IRS officer. Yeah,

702
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: because he made that clear in the nine one one

703
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: call that he's like, i'm a i'm a.

704
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: Like that means something.

705
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

706
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: Well, okay, the other thing I was.

707
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: Gonna say was, like we talked about earlier, here he

708
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: is create he's planning a murder, yes, and by doing.

709
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: So, he's creating more evidence. Yes.

710
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: So basically, what this plot is that they came up with,

711
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: is they created a fake profile in the wife's name,

712
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was her or him,

713
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 1: because this is what the controversy comes down to, because

714
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: she took a pleadale and has flipped on him. She

715
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: testified I believe for like three days straight, two or

716
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: three days straight that he's the mastermind behind all of this,

717
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: and like she, you know, was just the innocent, young

718
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: twenty one year old that just went along with it.

719
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: I just watched kids.

720
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even though she was the one that shot

721
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: the other guy, Joseph Ryan, but basically at his you

722
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: know direction as well, yeah hurt.

723
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: So if he was older, as you suggest, in his

724
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 3: forties and she's twenty and she's from an immigrant from

725
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: another country now here, and she's kind of under his

726
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: control and he's the employer. I mean, he can't exercise

727
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: control over her and authority over her, which is you know,

728
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: not fair to her, right, because he's putting her in

729
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: a situation where maybe she feels well, I don't did, but.

730
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, rest I don't know that.

731
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know either. I'm just saying there

732
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: is that there is that relationship, and that could be

733
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: the case. So it could be.

734
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: Basically either they acted together and created as this fake

735
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: profile for the wife on this fetish website, or he

736
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: did it and she just knew about it. But anyway,

737
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: they did it in a way so that they had

738
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: they wanted to play out a rape fantasy where a

739
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: man comes over to the house with a knife to

740
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: act out a fantasy rape type of scene.

741
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: My question, what is their fetish.

742
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: That's the feed.

743
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the fake fetsh that's the fake.

744
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: Fetish, right, so that's the fake fetish, so that they

745
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: could then kill her and him. Basically, they wanted it

746
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: to look like the guy who brought the knife to

747
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: the house killed her and then they shot him because

748
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: he was an intruder. So this is this plan they

749
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: came up with to make it look like someone broke

750
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: into the house, was hurting her with a knife, killed

751
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: her with a knife, and then they came upon him

752
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: and shot him with the gun. So this is a very.

753
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: Elaborate m because that's another person.

754
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: That's someone that they that replied to this.

755
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: This.

756
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: That's who this Joseph Ryan.

757
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: My goodness, he's the he's on.

758
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: The fetish website that said, sure, I would love to

759
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: play out this role. I'll come to your house wearing

760
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: a knife.

761
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: They're like, don't wear a bullet or vest, no questions,

762
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: just show up.

763
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: Show up with a knife. So that's what happened. So

764
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: they create a fake profile, he replies. They set up

765
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: a meeting date where he thinks he's coming to meet

766
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: this woman, Christine and to have this fantasy filled, fulfilled

767
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: scene where they're going to have consensual sex, and he

768
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: brings a knife with him. So he shows up at

769
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: the house. The husband is at McDonald's and the old

770
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: pair is in the home with the children in the basement.

771
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: I know I'm listening. I have a look on my

772
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: face like this is psycho.

773
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: So the man shows up to have this fetish thing

774
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: that he thinks he's just gonna do with this woman.

775
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: He's a victim.

776
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: He's a victim.

777
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: I don't right, and I.

778
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: Don't know exactly what happens because this is to be determined.

779
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: This is what the whole trial is about. Is then

780
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: the wife ends up getting stabbed, and I believe that

781
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: we think it's the husband that stabbed her.

782
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: Like he shows up, right, he comes over this raper.

783
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: Well he's not really, he's a fetish guy, Joseph traying.

784
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: He comes over right, the old pairs in the basement

785
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: with the kids, and what does he do? He comes inside?

786
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Well, then I don't know exactly what happens because I

787
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: no one was there except for these people, and obviously.

788
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: They're all pair was there.

789
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Obviously we know the old pair shot him with a

790
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: gun and she killed him.

791
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: Okay, she had a firearm. Okay.

792
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: The wife is stabbed in the neck and she dies

793
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: from her injuries.

794
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: And do we know who stabbed her?

795
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: We believe the husband stabbed her.

796
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, not this guy that signed up no to be killed?

797
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, And the husband had blood on his hands

798
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: at the hospital later when he learned that his wife

799
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: died from her injuries.

800
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: So he comes to see his wife, supposedly to come

801
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: see his wife. Yes, he cares because he's heartbroke and

802
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: he's to wash his hands.

803
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: No. Well, he comes to the hospital and his blood

804
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: alliver his hands and he's crying, and the police officer

805
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: at the hospital felt sorry for him and told him

806
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: to go wash his hands before they took any blood

807
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: sample analysis DNA anything from his hands.

808
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: Did this police officer formerly work with Boston p D.

809
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but possibly.

810
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: He's like, I've been here before. Wash your hands, dude.

811
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: So wait, okay, so the police officer's testifying that that

812
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: that took place.

813
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's testimony.

814
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: That's how I know because that officer that said wash

815
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: your hands is all testifying that there was evidence on

816
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: his hands.

817
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: Right, that was not swabed from his hands.

818
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 2: No. Right, that is terrible because they should have taken

819
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: photos of him.

820
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Too, exactly. So this is what the defense is.

821
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: Right, man, say one more thing, even if he had

822
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: no blood, I mean, if you're dead, I'm dead.

823
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: Yes, if you're dead and it's foul play, yeah, and

824
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: cops are like investing me and I have no blood

825
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: on my hands, yeah, and no DNA in my nails

826
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: and all that. I'm gonna be like take photos to

827
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: show that I'm clean.

828
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. You should call an attorney too, and don't talk

829
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: Alan Jackson. Call Alan Jackson if you didn't do it.

830
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: If you did not do it, call Alan Jackson.

831
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: She's dead now and I need representation. Right.

832
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: So, Banfield had purchased a firearm and allegedly trained Juliana

833
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: to use it. Investigators say Joseph Ryan believed he was

834
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: meeting Christine for consensual sex, but the profile was controlled

835
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: by Brendan and Juliana the day of the murders. This

836
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: happened on February twenty fourth of twenty twenty three. Authorities

837
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: alleged that Joseph Ryan was lured to the Banfield home.

838
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: We talked about that under the guise of thinking that

839
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: he was showing up for this consensual fetish.

840
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: He thought he's gonna get lucky.

841
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: Brendan allegedly turned off his wife's phone, waited at a

842
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: nearby MacDonald's, then entered the home with Juliana and his

843
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: four year old daughter. Joseph Ryan showed up to the

844
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: home with restraints and a knife for what he believed

845
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: was consensual role play.

846
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: This poor guy, it's like, Okay, go to Walmart, get

847
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: a murder kit, yeah, and then come over and fulfill

848
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 3: my santsy.

849
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Prosecutors said Brendan showed up to the house and shot Joseph,

850
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: staging it like he saved his wife from a madman.

851
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: Right Like, he shows up and he's like my wife

852
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: being attacked and he shoots him and then stabbed his

853
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: wife afterwards staging that as if Joseph had did that

854
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: to her, and that's why he was staging here. And

855
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: then when Joseph tried to move, Juliana shot him again.

856
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: I guess he wasn't dead when the husband shot him

857
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: the first time. He tried to move and then she

858
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: shot him, so they both shot him, both allegedly shot him.

859
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Christine Banfield later died at the hospital from her injuries.

860
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: I heard the nine to one one call, and then

861
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: there's some bodycam footage, like when the police show up.

862
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: It's chaotic. Can you imagine what the scene shows up?

863
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: There's the O pair that's crying and screaming, there's the husband,

864
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: there's a dead wife, and there's another man there.

865
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: There's weapons and there's a knife, and cops come and

866
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: they don't know who's who.

867
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: No, are you a murderer or are you a victory? Right?

868
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: And they pull her outside and they're trying to understand

869
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: what's going on and they're talking to her and the

870
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: husband's giving them a different story.

871
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 2: And there's two dead right, we'll talk later.

872
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: So it's it's chaotic. Can you imagine like the scene,

873
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: how chaotic that is? Wow? So then this happened in

874
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty three. Then in October of twenty

875
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: twenty three, Juliana was arrested and initially charged with second

876
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 1: degree murder.

877
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: I took that long, huh.

878
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: She later pleaded guilty to manslaughter and agreed to testify

879
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: against Brendan, telling investigators that she had shot Joseph as directed.

880
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: You know.

881
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: Also, I don't know how much investigating they were doing

882
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: after this chaotic scene and the wife dies and the

883
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: man was there, But I did read that the investigators

884
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: ended up going back to the home later after this

885
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: incident occurred. I don't know if they were searching. I

886
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: don't know if they were just going to talk to

887
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: them again. But when they went into the home, this

888
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: is what tipped them off. They go in the master bedroom,

889
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: she had moved all of her clothes in, and all

890
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: of the photos that used to be Brendan and his

891
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: wife were all replaced in frames with him and the O.

892
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 2: Pair Phase two photos.

893
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: Right. So, I think that was the turning point in

894
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: the investigation where they were like.

895
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 2: The she he moved on quickly, He moved on quickly.

896
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: She moved in, she moved her clothes in and she

897
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: took all the photos of the woman out and put

898
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: her photos in with him. So and allegedly now that

899
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: she's talking right, because she took a plea deal. She

900
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: has all this evidence of them dating and going out

901
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: on dates, but she would always cover his face. She

902
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: would post like snapchat and like going out on a

903
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: date with her boyfriend, but she would always cover his face.

904
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: But now she's saying, no, that you know that was

905
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: that was him, Like we we went to bars and

906
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: restaurants and we were dating and we were together.

907
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: So it was too thinking when they sit down and

908
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: they write up this plan. I don't know how many

909
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: different versions did they have too, where they're.

910
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, no, let's do uh.

911
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah no, no, make sure he brings a

912
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: knife not a gun, and all these and then they

913
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: thought then at one point they thought, yeah, this is good,

914
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: this is good. We're going to get away with.

915
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: It, and let's do it. Like where do you like?

916
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: Where at what point do you think? I guess they didn't.

917
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: There was never a point where they thought, this doesn't

918
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: really sound like a great idea.

919
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I'd love to interview those people.

920
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah I would that actually said I was going to

921
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: murder my wife, and I planned it all and then

922
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: I changed my mind. Yeah, you want to know what

923
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: changed your mind.

924
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: So then September to October of twenty twenty four, Banfield

925
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: was arrested nearly two years after the killings, following a

926
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: traffic stop. Prosecutors presented evidence of his romantic relationship with Juliana,

927
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: photos from the home, and other materials indicating planning and

928
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: execution of the murders. At the time, Banfield worked as

929
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: an IRS Criminal Investigation Division agent. Then this this was

930
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: last week, so January of twenty twenty six, Banfield's trial begins.

931
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: He faces charges including aggravated murder, use of a firearm,

932
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: and a felony child abuse and child.

933
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: So she's not on trial anymore, like she was sentenced

934
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: and everything.

935
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: Well, no, she hasn't had her sentencing yet. Her sentencing

936
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: is after his trial. But she's the star witness against him.

937
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: But she's pled guilty and that's all accepted and everything.

938
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: She got a plea deal. She pled guilty to manslaughter

939
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: and that was accept and yes, so then she has

940
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: to be sentenced. So now she's the star witness for

941
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: the prosecution. Basically saying that he was the mastermind, and

942
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: he controlled everything, and he made the fetish website and

943
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: he did everything. Now, what it's going to come down to,

944
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: because there's a jury of sixteen people that are hearing

945
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: this trial, it's going to come down to do they

946
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: believe her? Is she credible?

947
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: Well? He he they killed her, yeah, but yes.

948
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: But but the defense is going to say she's the mastermind.

949
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: What I'm suggesting is he'll still be convicted of some

950
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: level of homicide if he pulled the trigger.

951
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: We don't know that, That's what I'm saying. No one

952
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: knows exactly what happened in that house. You think he's

953
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: a defense is going to say that he did pull

954
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: the trigger. They're going to say she was the mastermind.

955
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: She pulled the trigger. She stabbed him, Okay, and he

956
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: was like.

957
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: He and his wife was being attacked. Yeah, well that's

958
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: far fetched because as they're out, well, I don't know,

959
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: it'll it'll matter what kind of evidence there is, because

960
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: you're right. I was about to say, well they have

961
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: photos and they're out all the time, but it could

962
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, we're out all time, and I was

963
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: an affair a level, right, And then she killed her

964
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: and then she moved into my room.

965
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: If she is not credible, that's going to put reasonable

966
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: doubt in the minds of the jury. And you know

967
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: you only need reasonable doubt too.

968
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also might see her like you, you're going

969
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: to steer and be like, oh, yeah, some personian old

970
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: pair of course he did it.

971
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. Also, the defense has claimed and it'll

972
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: be interesting to see because they're they're putting on their

973
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: case this week and we'll follow that. But they the

974
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: defense attorney claims that they have digital evidence that's going

975
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: to dispute what she says. Who cares, I know, but

976
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: let's see what it is. I mean, what forensics do

977
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: they have to dispute her claims. And that'll be interesting

978
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: to see because the defense attorney says, people lie, but

979
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: forensics don't lie.

980
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: Yeah's hands, yes, but they didn't take they didn't swab it,

981
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: so we can't get her DNA off of his hands

982
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: at this point.

983
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to follow this case, that's for sure.

984
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: So anyway, well, whose blood would it be?

985
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 2: Maybe it was that, Well you need it again, he's

986
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

987
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the defense, this is what the defense

988
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: is going to do They're going to create reasonable doubt

989
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: by by blasting her credibility. They're gonna paint her oh

990
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: because also she was also having communications with producers talking

991
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: about how she wants to make a you know, reality show,

992
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: not a reality show, like sell her story, like you know,

993
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: like a Hulu and special. I mean, this story, are

994
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: you kidding? This story is made for TV? Like, this

995
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: isn't going to be made into a documentary, a three

996
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: part series, a lifetime movie. This, this story, this story

997
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: is stranger than fiction. Like if someone wrote this story

998
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: and gave it to someone, they'd be like, that's too

999
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: far fet that would never happen.

1000
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: I did, but it did.

1001
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: So I'm saying she's already been caught having communications with

1002
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: media and media type outlets to sell her story. So

1003
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying the defense is really going to focus on

1004
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: her credibility.

1005
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: Well that that would tend to lean more towards she's

1006
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: a mastermind.

1007
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm saying they're going to try to create

1008
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: her as the mastermind that wanted to take the wife's place,

1009
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: and you know he's just this ding dong that just

1010
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: was having an affair. Right, So we will continue to

1011
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: follow the O pair affair because I'm highly invested and

1012
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: let me know, I want to know the women out there,

1013
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: like what your thoughts are on hiring an O pair.

1014
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: That's well one of the men's opinions.

1015
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: On other woman a twenty one year old oh pair

1016
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: that moves into your house and you know is Brazilian.

1017
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: So okay, you keep looking at me like I did

1018
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: something wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. Oh no, I

1019
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: just said, you keep looking. I didn't hire no bear.

1020
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: I don't take care of the kids, Missie. I know

1021
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: we don't have no pair. We have a shame, all right. Guys,

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00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening to Legally Brunette.

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1026
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1027
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,360
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1028
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Speaker 1: chance to leave a review. So thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,