WEBVTT - “I LIVE ON A NATIVE AMERICAN RESERVATION” 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.240 Hello, Hello, Hi. 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:02.080 What's your name? Sir? 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:08.320 Hey, Chris Barty against you or I should say Chris 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:20.639 Barty Tea is just a Jene Nasha. I am from 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:25.319 the Nafo Nation in northeastern Arizona. Cool and that just 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.800 gave me to I told you who I am, my name, 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.120 my four clans, and where I'm from. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.120 I appreciate you telling me your actual name, but I 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.600 do have to let you know. So there's times during 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.519 this podcast where a guy will be like, my name 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:47.040 is Steve, and I'll forget that immediately, So I probably 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.280 I'm not good at remembering things, but that sounds cool. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.920 That's a cool name. Do people call you by that name? 0:00:55.600 --> 0:01:00.520 Yeah? They just leusually called me Chris, like Chris, that's 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.840 my last name, Yeah, Chris Christ. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.039 And you're from the Navajo Nation. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:06.959 Yes? 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.959 Cool, you said living in Phoenix. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.880 I'm living in uh on the Napo Nation. In the 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.319 community it's called h fitch is it in our language, 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:25.039 which means rough rock? So I live on the on 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.080 the reservation on the NFL Nation. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:28.160 Yeah, what's it? 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:28.319 So? 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.360 What's it like on the reservations? Because I've heard a 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.120 lot of different things, but they're all just rumors I 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:34.800 want to hear from you. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.160 Well, it depends who you ask. We have what kind 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.800 of in a moment of transition in the culture, Like 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.920 we're still trying to hold on to our traditional ways, 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.720 our language and culture, but at the same time, influence 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.840 from the outside world is kind of drawing a lot 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.600 of our people away, especially our young people. So they 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.720 want to be more westernized, and they mostly some of 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.960 them mostly speak English only or they only speak maybe 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.360 partially now for or some even Like a lot of 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.880 young people are grappling with trying to understand the culture 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.639 and the fluency of the language. But you can ask 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:16.120 me anything. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:17.920 How old How old are you? 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.600 I am thirty eight, Okay? 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:29.400 And did you grow up speaking this language or did 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:30.200 you learn it later? 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:39.280 Oh a uh shamasana a my grandmother and shamato uh 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:45.000 shatay my my relatives, my aunties, my uncles and people 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.040 were fluent speakers, so they spoke to us at little kids, 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:55.880 and I grew up speaking the language. Uh. And we're 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.280 learning a lot of things as an adult. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.200 Yeah, do you have kids. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.400 I raised two boys, they're my nephews. One's eighteen and 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.200 one's fourteen with my family. But I don't have any 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.920 children of my own, not biologically. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.320 Did you raise them like by yourself or was your 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.639 brother slash sister there too? 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:26.400 My sister she's in college and working and things, so 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.880 I pretty much raised them from babies like when the 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.680 time they came from the hospital to the time they're 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.240 like almost adults now. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:36.720 Mm hmmm. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:42.440 So that's very common with our culture because we we 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:49.320 have like intergenerational families sometimes living together in the same area, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.680 and where we we go by clans. We have a 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.800 plan system, so we have an a Our mother and 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:02.040 our father's plan are the main plans that we affiliate with. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:09.200 So that was very. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:13.200 Much wall I'm sorry, but are you are you? Are 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.000 you taking a walk right now or something? 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:16.720 Uh? 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.400 Yes, I'm hurting sheep or I'm walking off my goats 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:19.800 and sheep. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:25.520 You're walking with your goats and sheep? Yes, whow interesting? 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.640 I feel like you know what I feel like. Normally 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.680 I would ask if you could stand still so that 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.279 we can have this conversation without your phone going in 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.800 and out. But I guess I can't tell you to 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.000 stop hurting the sheep. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.680 Oh jeez, yeah, I'm standing still at the moment. I'm 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:43.120 not moving. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:48.040 Okay, all right, you're hurting sheep. Interesting, Okay, we're going. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.839 There's so much to I want, There's so much to 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.760 talk to you about. How did so, how did you 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.080 grow up? What was it like for you? Did you 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.560 grow Did you grow up on this reservation that you're 0:04:58.600 --> 0:04:59.160 on right now? 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.720 Yes, I've I've lived here all my life and I've 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.599 grown up here. And I went to school here on 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:12.120 the reservation, and I went to for a short stint, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.600 I went to Santa Fe. Yeah, I have a place 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.200 called the Institute of American Indian Arts, and so I 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:25.280 studied filmmaking there, and I came back here and started 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:37.520 farming full time years ago. So, yeah, I studied filmmaking. 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.160 Have you made any films? 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.520 Just one? I helped out in some small films. I'm 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:49.479 also a writer. I write poetry. I've written, uh and 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:55.400 published poetry, mostly attempting to write a novel. I've done screenplays. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:01.080 I've helped edit people's work, you know, sometimes gone uncredited. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:06.719 But that's okay because I just volunteer, you know. But yeah, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:07.920 I went to Telm school. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:14.080 Mm hmmm. What do most people, uh they do for 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:15.240 work on the reservation. 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.960 Oh, they have odd jobs. Some work with the tribal 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.560 They have a tribal headquarters, so people are work for 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:28.239 the tribe doing different things. Some work as maintenance people. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.120 Some go off the reservation to find jobs in the cities, 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:37.640 like weldings a big thing, electricians, journeymen. Some people are cowboys, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.680 professional cowboys, you know, like just all sorts of things. 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:46.039 Some people are medicine people, they do healing work. I'm 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:51.440 in the community and you know, for the world, so 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.679 it all, it all varies. Some are teachers, some are doctors. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.160 Some are this so that you know. Some people have 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.520 gone to Harvard, some people have gone to Columbia. Some 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.120 people come back to the rask people live. You know, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.800 we have Navajos everywhere, you know, like the people that 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.520 I uh, the tribe that I belong to. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:14.440 So there's a battle going on where younger people are 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:20.160 becoming more westernized, and like the original culture is kind 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:26.320 of being being lost, you say, in some ways. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.680 In some ways a lot of people have seen the 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.080 the change is happening, and they're doing something about it. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.640 They're being proactive in their families. They're speaking the language 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.920 to the young people, they're bringing them to ceremonies, they're 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:47.480 engaging with them culturally, teaching them things. We're land based people, uh, 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.880 that we have our origins here on this land. Our 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.720 Cracian stories say, we came out of the earth and 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.120 from there we journey through several worlds into this one 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:00.160 that we're currently And. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.119 You journeyed through several several worlds. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:12.240 Yeah, under the earth, like in the ground, like ants. Yeah, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.360 so we were like spirit beings, but when we came up, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:21.320 we came into like material, physical beings like you and me, 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:22.600 like human being, you know. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.920 Confession blood, I gotta ask why, why why do you 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.600 think we stopped here? Like what is it about this 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.439 place where it's like, you know what, let's stop at 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.800 this world, this wireless one as McDonald's. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.920 Well, your people came from across the ocean, so you know, actually, actually, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.320 why why did you guys stop here? 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.760 A wait? Are you talking about like this like soul 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.559 like spiritual souls you're talking about like the Navajo people. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.920 Well, I'll talk about my people. We we we uh, 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.760 we came out of the earth, out of out of 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.559 sick place. I can't mention the name, but we came 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.880 into this world and we are our boundaries to our 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.959 homeland is four sacred mountains, and we stayed within those 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.240 four sacred mountains what were supposed to anyway? 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:21.319 M hm, so I okay, I'm curious about this. Okay, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:27.800 So yes it is true. Yes, Uh, white people came 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:32.199 to what was America called before all that stuff happened. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.840 It depends on who you taught to a lot of 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.240 the tribes like then the Shawnee and the Iroquois First 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.559 Nations people, Uh, the sixth Council of forget how many 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.640 councils they are, the people in the eastern part of 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:50.839 the US, the Wapanog, the Cayuga, the Shawnee, the Pahatan, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.640 all those people that the Mayflower people met, the first 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.000 colonists that came you know, Jamestown and all that before 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.520 Columbus and the Spaniards after excuse after they came like 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:06.000 with plummet Rock and all that. They called this plan 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.520 Turtle Island. Those people over there. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:15.680 Hunts Turtle Islands. So okay, So yes, white people came 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.320 and we just fucking did a bunch of shit. And 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:25.199 then I'm curious, so does the American government, like to 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:31.199 to what degree has the American government been like, you know, 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:36.120 are bad we're gonna help you guys like you know 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:37.920 has has what what does that look like? 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:44.160 Well, we have what it's called. Uh. We my ancestors 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:48.120 fought the Americans when they came and tried to control them, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.839 and a lot of people were captured in the resistance. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.800 Some people evaded resistance. My ancestors included Uh, they escaped 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.880 and fought back and hid from the It was just 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.840 carried in eighteen sixty four where the federal government came 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.160 and relocated and tried to uh take them at least 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.640 nine thousand Napos from the from our homeland when they 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.400 marched them into New Mexico to a place called Fort 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.360 Sumner and held them at gunpoint for four years. So 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.720 they were incarcerated in a concentration camp like like what 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:25.479 happened with the Holocaust. Yeah, them us and also Mescalero 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.400 Apaches and some other tribes. But the Muscleros got out 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:33.720 in the night that it took off. So my people 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.400 we call ourselves the NET. That's that's who it means. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:44.840 The people are human beings. So uh, the NET people 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.640 uh were there for four years until eighteen sixty eight, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.920 where we signed a peace treaty with the United States 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:57.080 government and military to quit fighting. Okay, so we have 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.000 a peace treaty with the United States or treaty tribe. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.640 So there's a peace treaty. But like, does the government 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:11.640 like do anything for you guys like today. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.959 Yes, they're obligated under the provisions of the Treaty of 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:22.360 eighteen sixty eight to provide whatever way they can to 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:27.880 try to they give like funding to the tribe contemporarily. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.679 And right now there's a lot of discussion and there's 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:36.560 a lot of controversy how to spend federal funds that 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.320 we get from the tribal government and I'm excuse me, 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.120 from the federal government to the tribal government. You see, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.840 our tribal government was set up in nineteen twenty three 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.319 as a business council, and so in order to give 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.920 legitimacy to energy corporations to mine and drill into the 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:58.520 earth for oil, uranium, coal, natural gas, helium, and whatever 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:03.920 you know water. So on our homeland there's a vast 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:09.240 amounts of natural resources, including timber, you know, gravel, whatever 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.880 you know. Coal. There was a big thing uranium I 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:19.800 think I mentioned uranium oil. And so when they discovered 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.880 all these minerals below us are on the land itself. 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:29.199 They came in and started to mine and established a 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.360 relations with the tribe to modernize the now for people 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.800 through boarding schools and through like things like mission schools, 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:43.400 boarding schools where they took children away and basically tried 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.040 to teach them how to be like white people. MM. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.200 So you said that, you said that there's a controversy 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.480 in terms of how this money should be spent by 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.480 the tribal government. What's that controversy? Where do people think 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:00.440 the money should be spent. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.560 Well, they have several trust funds and they have several 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.200 funding sources where they set up I guess like big 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.559 bank banking systems. They try to make use to distribute 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.800 the wealth of the tribal government evening among the people, 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:22.600 but the tribal officials mostly spend it among themselves. They 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.880 pay themselves millions of dollars and the hundreds of thousands 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:30.800 of US in salary, like six seven figure salaries, and 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:35.520 it's just really ridiculous. So that's where a lot of 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.800 the local government we see. We have one hundred and 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.760 ten chapters, and we have a tribal council, and we 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.520 have a three branch government like that mirror is to 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:50.600 the United States government. And so we also have a 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.000 president and there's been like a lot of controversy with 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.200 him and his leadership are lacked thereof. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.160 So the government is so a lot of the tribal 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.840 government has gotten fairly corrupt. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:12.480 Yes, just because they haven't learned how to utilize the 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.680 funding correctly. M in my in my opinion, m hm. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:24.360 So so the did the reservations right? Do they do? 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.280 They follow? So they have their own government and their 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.160 own kind of rules and laws and stuff, and like 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.360 they do they have to like are are they still 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.800 under the jurisdiction of the federal American government or like 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.480 even or even like the state government that they're located in. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.840 Yes, we have I'll start of the state. We have 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:50.080 tribal representation within the different districts of the state of Arizona, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:57.360 New Mexico, and Utah. And we have uh people out 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.520 in Washington who advocate our behalf. We have a Washington 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:06.120 office kind of like a like a little embassy that 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.120 people go out there and try to establish not just 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:15.520 funding but laws that will help our people. And there's 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.280 all sorts of things. I know, if you're familiar with 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.360 federal Indian law, but there was a lot of things 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.640 that happened. The reorganization Department of Interior, which we call 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:31.480 the bare Indian Affairs, oversaw a lot of tribal government 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.240 business until they handed it over to the tribes. I 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.800 think it was in nineteen fifty two or somewhere around there, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.440 organized a tribe into a tribal government with a three 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.280 branch system, and so we're like a many Washington. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:56.240 I like to say, it's just funny that I'm imagining 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.480 you telling me all of this while you're hurting sheep. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:04.200 Oh, yes, how is the sheep herding going? 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.760 It's good. I'm actually I'm trying to look over the 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.080 hill here, see where they wait, because I was trying 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.240 to hold steel they wanted at all, but they're not far. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.480 So okay, you know, let's let's talk. I want to 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.480 talk about you. I'm curious about you. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:23.880 Okay. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.480 So you have these two nephews that are basically like 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.000 your sons. You have two boys that you raised. Do 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:31.440 you have a wife or a girlfriend. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.919 No, it's a I don't have anyone like currently in 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:38.920 my life like that. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.159 Did you did you use did you used to? Are 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:43.840 you divorced or broken up. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:54.160 Or oh I've left a long shrill of heartbreaks now. Uh, yes, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:55.680 once upon a time ago I did. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.200 How did you meet these ladies? Like? Where are they like? 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:01.800 Women that you met on like the reservation? 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.760 Yeah? I met some in high school. I met some 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:13.439 in the I was involved in online resistance movements to 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.639 try to protect sacred sites and things like mountains or 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:23.520 water rights. I fought and want against power plants with 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:29.720 people you know, and we uh built poalitions to protect 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.520 the Grand Canyon in certain places, the Holy San Francisco 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:39.399 Peaks and flag Staff. Mhm. We did things like we 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:46.680 changed ourselves to machinery and as far as protests, lots 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.720 of community involvement, a lot of organizing, a lot of 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:57.520 spiritual support from our elders and our medicine practitioners are healers. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.439 So where do you Where do you think we go 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:05.200 when we die? 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:07.440 Uh? 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.280 To the spirit world, the spare world. Do you think 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:14.040 the spirit world is better or worse than the current world? 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:19.760 Oh, there's there's no sadness, there's no grief, there's no pain. 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.000 It's just bliss. You're you're free. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.159 Interesting, interesting mm hmm. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:31.560 It's better than a Christian heaven. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:37.600 So are you I don't know, man, I I guess 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:42.879 are you? Like who's around? Like, what's the community like? 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:47.520 Do you have a lot of friends and family hanging around? Oh? 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.600 Yeah, I got a whole bunch of followers social media 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.280 people around me, but I live a pretty private life. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:54.800 I don't be. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.520 You have I asked if you have a lot of people? 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.679 Are you have? I asked if you have a lot 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:02.560 of people around you? 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:02.760 You have? 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.560 You have social media followers? 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:11.840 Oh yeah, I have tons of followers and people that 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:13.280 follow what I do. I work. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:19.480 Okay, what about like, like, you know, like people in 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:20.680 the community. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.320 Not so much because I don't really mingle with them 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.240 my neighbors, because we're we're like really private people. We 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:32.960 don't really like get into people's business too much. But 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.120 I do have I'm surrounded by relatives like blood and clan, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.560 so we all know each other, you know, but we 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:42.679 just live separate lives. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.560 Do you prefer the social media followers to the actual people? 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:53.760 Oh? Yes, because because the neighbors around me. If people 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:58.320 get territorial and envious of things that you do, so 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.760 we just kind of like I just or them, you know. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.120 Mm hmmm, it's kind of weird. 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.080 Do you talk with your followers? 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:13.560 Oh? Yeah, I engage with people all the time every day. 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.800 Where do you Where do you post this stuff? Uh? 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:23.680 Instagram, Facebook mainly. I don't really do TikTok or anything else, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:24.440 but that. 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:31.680 This is so interesting where you're like a sheep herder influencer. 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.879 Yeah, I have like five thousand followers on Facebook and 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.280 my tenth or five thousand friends. I max it out 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.919 all the time and people come on drop off and 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.800 I'm about two thousand something on on Instagram, But I 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.000 kind of neglect in it because I'm been so busy, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.920 you know, only kind to do things. 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:01.080 Do you feel like the sheep are your friends or 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:05.119 that they're just like fodder? Like, what's your relationship like 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:05.760 with the sheep? 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:13.600 Well? I call them my children and do that my babies, 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:15.840 you know, even though I eat them sometimes. 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.280 Yeah, sometimes you gotta do that. 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.240 Mm hmm, we. 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:24.480 Mm hmm. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.199 I'm fascinated by this. So you prefer being around sheep 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.280 and social media followers to real people? 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:39.719 Yeah? Because animals they love you unconditionally. People are complicated. 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:46.119 Yeah, it's true, that's true. Do you do you hope 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:52.199 to one day develop stronger relationships with the people around you. 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:59.480 Well, yeah, to a point. But like I said, I 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:05.040 like my private you know, m hm, because once you 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:09.639 start engaging with the community, they bring into the problems 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.720 and I don't want to get involved people's problems. You know, 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:15.840 I got my own problems. 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:22.120 So your nephews are so your nephews, I guess, are 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.840 the representation of these young people who are becoming more westernized. 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:27.680 Do you think that? Do you think your nephews are 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:34.520 being westernized? Like, what's your relationship with them on that front? 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:45.720 Well, there's two ways. Show them the culture and bring 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:49.560 them into it every day, a little by little, you know, 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.840 and you teach them this is what this plant is. 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.439 This is the name of this lizard. This is the 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.960 name of that bird. This is the name of the 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.320 when the clouds, the lightning in the thunder, Mother Earth, 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:08.520 you know, father Sky, the Sun, father's son, grandmother is 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:14.000 the moon, the stars. You know. You called them and 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.520 you tell them this is what they're called, you know, 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:22.679 And that's how I was raised. And uh, this is 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:27.000 what herb kills pierced. This, this is what herb helps 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.560 the sheep. This is what herb is a tobacco you 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:33.680 can smoke. This is how you make an offering for rain, 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:41.400 you know. Hm, we're always praying. We pray with corn 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:42.880 pollen and corn mill. 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:51.040 Mmm. Do you are? Are you are? Do you feel 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.480 like they're being westernized? Like, do you like, is there 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:57.119 like a specific part of Western culture or something like 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.720 that that you think that they have found themselves aligned with. 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:07.320 Oh, movies, TV shows, video games, social media, music, you know, 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.320 that's that's normal. I think every young person native and 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:17.040 non native loves all that, right, like Fortnite whatever, you know, 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:22.160 Legend Azelda. I've played all those things and like watch 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:23.960 movies all the time. I have Wi Fi at my 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.400 house if I just get online and start doing things. 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:30.000 You know, one of my favorite things that plays Assassin's Creed. 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:34.320 All those games fucking you play? You played Assassin's Creed three? 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.399 Yes, I played all the Enzo and all that. The 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.359 only one I haven't played the latest one with the 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.760 Samurai storyline. 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.480 So yeah, well, Assassin's Creed three you play? I think 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.440 I don't know, I don't know if he's a Navajo, 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:54.000 but maybe I think maybe he's a navajo. Yeah, Like 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:56.920 his name is Ken Kenny something like that. 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:02.600 Yeah, Ken, No, he's a native from the from the 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.960 East coast. Like he's inspired by is that he's a 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:11.760 native baby. Yeah, my switch I was playing it one time, 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:16.200 kind of got far, but it's kind of confusing because 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:16.960 it's on the switch, you. 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.800 Know, Yeah, and the controls kind of suck. 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.040 I love it. I played Rest of the Wild and 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.080 The Tears of the Kingdom and everything. 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.439 Dude, it's fine. Something dude, something about something about a 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.879 sheep herd, something about like it's very like you. I'm like, 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:40.680 I'm imagining that you right now are in a vast 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:48.240 field like herding sheep, and then at some point you're 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.439 like fuck this, and then you just pull out your 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:56.360 switch and then you play play a simulated version of 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.920 of being in a vast field. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:00.240 Yeah. 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.800 I live in the hills below a mountain. M hmm. 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:10.399