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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hi.

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Speaker 2: What's your name? Sir?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Chris Barty against you or I should say Chris

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Speaker 1: Barty Tea is just a Jene Nasha. I am from

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Speaker 1: the Nafo Nation in northeastern Arizona. Cool and that just

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Speaker 1: gave me to I told you who I am, my name,

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Speaker 1: my four clans, and where I'm from.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you telling me your actual name, but I

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Speaker 2: do have to let you know. So there's times during

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Speaker 2: this podcast where a guy will be like, my name

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Speaker 2: is Steve, and I'll forget that immediately, So I probably

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Speaker 2: I'm not good at remembering things, but that sounds cool.

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Speaker 2: That's a cool name. Do people call you by that name?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? They just leusually called me Chris, like Chris, that's

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Speaker 1: my last name, Yeah, Chris Christ.

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Speaker 2: And you're from the Navajo Nation.

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Cool, you said living in Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: I'm living in uh on the Napo Nation. In the

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Speaker 1: community it's called h fitch is it in our language,

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Speaker 1: which means rough rock? So I live on the on

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Speaker 1: the reservation on the NFL Nation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's it?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: What's it like on the reservations? Because I've heard a

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Speaker 2: lot of different things, but they're all just rumors I

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Speaker 2: want to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Well, it depends who you ask. We have what kind

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Speaker 1: of in a moment of transition in the culture, Like

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Speaker 1: we're still trying to hold on to our traditional ways,

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Speaker 1: our language and culture, but at the same time, influence

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Speaker 1: of our people away, especially our young people. So they

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Speaker 1: want to be more westernized, and they mostly some of

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Speaker 1: them mostly speak English only or they only speak maybe

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Speaker 1: partially now for or some even Like a lot of

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Speaker 1: young people are grappling with trying to understand the culture

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Speaker 1: and the fluency of the language. But you can ask

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Speaker 1: me anything.

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Speaker 2: How old How old are you?

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Speaker 1: I am thirty eight, Okay?

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Speaker 2: And did you grow up speaking this language or did

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Speaker 2: you learn it later?

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Speaker 1: Oh a uh shamasana a my grandmother and shamato uh

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Speaker 1: shatay my my relatives, my aunties, my uncles and people

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Speaker 1: were fluent speakers, so they spoke to us at little kids,

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Speaker 1: and I grew up speaking the language. Uh. And we're

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Speaker 1: learning a lot of things as an adult.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have kids.

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Speaker 1: I raised two boys, they're my nephews. One's eighteen and

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Speaker 1: one's fourteen with my family. But I don't have any

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Speaker 1: children of my own, not biologically.

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Speaker 2: Did you raise them like by yourself or was your

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Speaker 2: brother slash sister there too?

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Speaker 1: My sister she's in college and working and things, so

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Speaker 1: I pretty much raised them from babies like when the

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Speaker 1: time they came from the hospital to the time they're

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Speaker 1: like almost adults now.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: So that's very common with our culture because we we

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Speaker 1: have like intergenerational families sometimes living together in the same area,

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Speaker 1: and where we we go by clans. We have a

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Speaker 1: plan system, so we have an a Our mother and

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Speaker 1: our father's plan are the main plans that we affiliate with.

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Speaker 1: So that was very.

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Speaker 2: Much wall I'm sorry, but are you are you? Are

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Speaker 2: you taking a walk right now or something?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm hurting sheep or I'm walking off my goats

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Speaker 2: You're walking with your goats and sheep? Yes, whow interesting?

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Speaker 2: I feel like you know what I feel like. Normally

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Speaker 2: I would ask if you could stand still so that

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Speaker 2: and out. But I guess I can't tell you to

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Speaker 2: stop hurting the sheep.

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Speaker 1: Oh jeez, yeah, I'm standing still at the moment. I'm

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you're hurting sheep. Interesting, Okay, we're going.

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Speaker 2: There's so much to I want, There's so much to

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Speaker 2: talk to you about. How did so, how did you

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Speaker 2: grow up? What was it like for you? Did you

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Speaker 2: grow Did you grow up on this reservation that you're

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've I've lived here all my life and I've

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Speaker 1: I went to Santa Fe. Yeah, I have a place

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Speaker 1: called the Institute of American Indian Arts, and so I

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Speaker 2: Have you made any films?

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Speaker 1: Just one? I helped out in some small films. I'm

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Speaker 1: also a writer. I write poetry. I've written, uh and

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Speaker 1: I've helped edit people's work, you know, sometimes gone uncredited.

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Speaker 1: But that's okay because I just volunteer, you know. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I went to Telm school.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. What do most people, uh they do for

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Speaker 1: Oh, they have odd jobs. Some work with the tribal

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Speaker 1: They have a tribal headquarters, so people are work for

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Speaker 1: the tribe doing different things. Some work as maintenance people.

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Speaker 1: Some go off the reservation to find jobs in the cities,

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Speaker 1: like weldings a big thing, electricians, journeymen. Some people are cowboys,

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Speaker 1: professional cowboys, you know, like just all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: Some people are medicine people, they do healing work. I'm

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Speaker 1: it all, it all varies. Some are teachers, some are doctors.

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Speaker 1: gone to Harvard, some people have gone to Columbia. Some

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Speaker 1: people come back to the rask people live. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have Navajos everywhere, you know, like the people that

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Speaker 2: So there's a battle going on where younger people are

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Speaker 2: becoming more westernized, and like the original culture is kind

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Speaker 2: of being being lost, you say, in some ways.

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Speaker 1: In some ways a lot of people have seen the

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Speaker 1: the change is happening, and they're doing something about it.

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Speaker 1: They're being proactive in their families. They're speaking the language

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Speaker 1: to the young people, they're bringing them to ceremonies, they're

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Speaker 1: engaging with them culturally, teaching them things. We're land based people, uh,

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Speaker 1: that we have our origins here on this land. Our

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Speaker 1: Cracian stories say, we came out of the earth and

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Speaker 1: from there we journey through several worlds into this one

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Speaker 2: You journeyed through several several worlds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, under the earth, like in the ground, like ants. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we were like spirit beings, but when we came up,

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Speaker 2: Confession blood, I gotta ask why, why why do you

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Speaker 2: think we stopped here? Like what is it about this

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Speaker 2: this world, this wireless one as McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: Well, your people came from across the ocean, so you know, actually, actually,

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Speaker 1: why why did you guys stop here?

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Speaker 2: A wait? Are you talking about like this like soul

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll talk about my people. We we we uh,

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Speaker 1: we came out of the earth, out of out of

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Speaker 1: sick place. I can't mention the name, but we came

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Speaker 1: homeland is four sacred mountains, and we stayed within those

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Speaker 1: four sacred mountains what were supposed to anyway?

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Speaker 2: M hm, so I okay, I'm curious about this. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So yes it is true. Yes, Uh, white people came

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Speaker 2: to what was America called before all that stuff happened.

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Speaker 1: It depends on who you taught to a lot of

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Speaker 1: the tribes like then the Shawnee and the Iroquois First

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Speaker 1: Nations people, Uh, the sixth Council of forget how many

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Speaker 1: councils they are, the people in the eastern part of

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Speaker 1: the US, the Wapanog, the Cayuga, the Shawnee, the Pahatan,

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Speaker 1: all those people that the Mayflower people met, the first

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Speaker 1: colonists that came you know, Jamestown and all that before

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Speaker 1: Columbus and the Spaniards after excuse after they came like

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Speaker 1: Turtle Island. Those people over there.

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Speaker 2: Hunts Turtle Islands. So okay, So yes, white people came

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Speaker 2: and we just fucking did a bunch of shit. And

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Speaker 2: then I'm curious, so does the American government, like to

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Speaker 2: to what degree has the American government been like, you know,

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Speaker 2: are bad we're gonna help you guys like you know

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Speaker 2: has has what what does that look like?

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Speaker 1: Well, we have what it's called. Uh. We my ancestors

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Speaker 1: fought the Americans when they came and tried to control them,

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Speaker 1: Some people evaded resistance. My ancestors included Uh, they escaped

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Speaker 1: and relocated and tried to uh take them at least

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Speaker 1: nine thousand Napos from the from our homeland when they

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Speaker 1: Sumner and held them at gunpoint for four years. So

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Speaker 1: happened with the Holocaust. Yeah, them us and also Mescalero

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Speaker 1: we call ourselves the NET. That's that's who it means.

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Speaker 1: The people are human beings. So uh, the NET people

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Speaker 1: uh were there for four years until eighteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 1: government and military to quit fighting. Okay, so we have

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Speaker 1: a peace treaty with the United States or treaty tribe.

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Speaker 2: So there's a peace treaty. But like, does the government

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Speaker 2: like do anything for you guys like today.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're obligated under the provisions of the Treaty of

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixty eight to provide whatever way they can to

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Speaker 1: try to they give like funding to the tribe contemporarily.

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Speaker 1: And right now there's a lot of discussion and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of controversy how to spend federal funds that

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Speaker 1: we get from the tribal government and I'm excuse me,

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Speaker 1: from the federal government to the tribal government. You see,

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Speaker 1: our tribal government was set up in nineteen twenty three

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Speaker 1: as a business council, and so in order to give

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Speaker 1: you know water. So on our homeland there's a vast

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Speaker 1: you know. Coal. There was a big thing uranium I

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Speaker 1: think I mentioned uranium oil. And so when they discovered

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Speaker 1: all these minerals below us are on the land itself.

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Speaker 1: They came in and started to mine and established a

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Speaker 1: relations with the tribe to modernize the now for people

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Speaker 1: through boarding schools and through like things like mission schools,

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Speaker 1: boarding schools where they took children away and basically tried

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Speaker 1: to teach them how to be like white people. MM.

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Speaker 2: So you said that, you said that there's a controversy

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Speaker 2: in terms of how this money should be spent by

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Speaker 2: the tribal government. What's that controversy? Where do people think

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Speaker 2: the money should be spent.

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Speaker 1: Well, they have several trust funds and they have several

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Speaker 1: funding sources where they set up I guess like big

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Speaker 1: bank banking systems. They try to make use to distribute

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Speaker 1: the wealth of the tribal government evening among the people,

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Speaker 1: but the tribal officials mostly spend it among themselves. They

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Speaker 1: pay themselves millions of dollars and the hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of US in salary, like six seven figure salaries, and

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Speaker 1: it's just really ridiculous. So that's where a lot of

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Speaker 4: I like to say, it's just funny that I'm imagining

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, how is the sheep herding going?

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Speaker 2: So where do you Where do you think we go

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's there's no sadness, there's no grief, there's no pain.

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Speaker 2: So are you I don't know, man, I I guess

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Speaker 2: You have I asked if you have a lot of people?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have tons of followers and people that

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Speaker 1: Not so much because I don't really mingle with them

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Speaker 2: Do you prefer the social media followers to the actual people?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, because because the neighbors around me. If people

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Speaker 2: Do you talk with your followers?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I engage with people all the time every day.

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Speaker 2: Where do you Where do you post this stuff? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like the sheep are your friends or

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Speaker 1: Well? I call them my children and do that my babies,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you gotta do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by this. So you prefer being around sheep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, that's true. Do you do you hope

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to a point. But like I said, I

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Speaker 2: Mmm. Do you are? Are you are? Do you feel

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Speaker 1: You know, one of my favorite things that plays Assassin's Creed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I played all the Enzo and all that. The

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Speaker 2: Dude, it's fine. Something dude, something about something about a

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Speaker 2: I'm imagining that you right now are in a vast

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Speaker 1: I live in the hills below a mountain. M hmm.

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Speaker 2: There's one more thing I actually wanted to ask you

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Speaker 1: I want to say that we're in a period of

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Speaker 2: What do you think is this transition that we're going through?

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Speaker 2: What would you how would you describe it?

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Speaker 1: We're coming into new times all the time, and people

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Speaker 1: that way they live. Then they then and then not

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00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: the excuse me? Then uh cut it ding j which

440
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: means the corn pollen, the way which means the beauty way.

441
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: We we pray for peace on earth. We also go

442
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: to war. We have a warriors warriors societies. But when

443
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: we come home, we come home with peace and mind. John,

444
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: and we want a beauty and we beauty around us,

445
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 1: and beauty behind and before us, and are all around us,

446
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: and make beautiful things come from our words and are

447
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: our thinking and our hearing and our our our speak

448
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: to our language. May everything become beautiful again? And j

449
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: John Hasli Koja Hasli k j Hasli k j Hasli.

450
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: I say that four times as a way of confirmation

451
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: to say everything will be restored in harmony.

452
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Speaker 2: Chris, do you want to tell us where we can

453
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: follow you? On social media and and keep up with

454
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: your sheepherding adventures.

455
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: Is uh, you can find me at has teen got

456
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Speaker 1: Herder at h A s T I I n go

457
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Speaker 1: Herder Instagram and Chris Barney O k R I s

458
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Speaker 1: uh space U A R n E Y like the dinosaur.

459
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: You're max you're maxed out on friends. Yes, you got

460
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: to you gotta Oh okay, I was gonna say, you

461
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: gotta purge some people.

462
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just the other day I was filling kind

463
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: of whimsical and so I I got meta verified. So

464
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm like navigating all that stuff now reels and you know,

465
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get mon monetization going, and it's like,

466
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how this all works. It's all complicated,

467
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: but I'm figuring it out.

468
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: Dude, there's gotta be someone. There's gotta be some funk.

469
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: I wish I was clever enough to come up with

470
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: funny sponsorships for you to take as a sheep herder

471
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: Instagram influencer. But they exist, they exist.

472
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, I sell seeds. I have a farm and

473
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: my main uh employment is selling seeds.

474
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: Sell them? Do you sell the seeds online?

475
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 1: Yes? On many on those two platforms. Right now, I'm

476
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: trying to get a website going, but I haven't figured

477
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: it out how to do that?

478
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: Cool cool, cool well ship. I hope some people from

479
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: this show go over and follow you. Maybe you can

480
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: sell a seed or two.

481
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sell all kinds of corn being squashed the

482
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: back rook and chili tomatoes, mass thoogumsung flowers, we you

483
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: name it, I grow it and I sell and I

484
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: the seeds that grow are very drought tolerant, so they

485
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: don't need much water.

486
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: And you sell the ship online or you like sell

487
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: it at like a store.

488
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: Just out of my Facebook and Instagram at the moment. Cool.

489
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like a You're like a You're like a general.

490
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Store on exactly.

491
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right here, you know I'll go there

492
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: right now. What what say this? Say this? Say this again?

493
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: I'll live how you act?

494
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: Hasting Hasting goat Herder on Instagram. H A S T

495
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: I I N goat.

496
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: Herder hastin see okay, here you are Chris Barney. Well, okay, right,

497
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know why I was

498
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: so surprised to see a goat, but look at this goat.

499
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: It's that's why does it have four horns.

500
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: It's a brief called now fla turtle sheet, and they

501
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: have four horns. Most of them the rams. Some of

502
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: them have two horns, some of them have like four horns.

503
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Some of them are fused together. It all varies.

504
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: Oh, this is you wearing sunglasses. You look pretty cool.

505
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: I like how there's okay, your Instagram right now. I

506
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 2: like how there's pictures of eagles and beautiful skies and

507
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: then there's a just a meme that you posted and

508
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: it's a guy looking in the mirror talking to himself

509
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: going I'm not crazy, You're crazy. Yeah, Well, you sell seeds.

510
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at your website. Okay, you have a

511
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: po box, you have a YouTube chip. Wait, how come

512
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: you don't have a link to your website on here?

513
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: I'm going into digital marketing mode. How do I yeah,

514
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: I can't buy. How do we buy your seeds?

515
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: Well? Just message me. I was gonna update a list

516
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: of seeds today and like I just mostly through. Like

517
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: the direct are the it's a messaging direct messaging.

518
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: Ok all right, so you just so people just venmo

519
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: you for seeds.

520
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Venmo cash Okay, all right, wait that's actually wait,

521
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: that's way cooler.

522
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: Wait that's I I thought honestly, I thought what you

523
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: did was cool before, but that's way cooler. You just

524
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: like I thought you. I thought you had like an

525
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: e commerce set up. You just you just kind of

526
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: vibe it out.

527
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

528
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, people they border and trade, but were thing too.

529
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: You know. They give me food and we trade seeds

530
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: with other people who are farmers and gardeners from all.

531
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: Over the way. So could I or anyone who messages you.

532
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: Theoretically it like be like, yo, I have a I

533
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: have like this rare Pokemon card, I'll send it to

534
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: you in exchange for like a seed.

535
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, or from corn, or like a uh something to eat,

536
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: like maybe some pasole or some chili or you know

537
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, like there's a seeds butla food,

538
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: and I saw all sorts of stuff. I'm kind of

539
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: like a like a trading post or something, you know.

540
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I encourage, all right, I encourage the

541
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: listeners of this podcast to message Husting the Goat Herder

542
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: and and begin to barter. I'm very curious, but I'm

543
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: very please let me know what kind of I'm I'm

544
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: I want to know the most quirky trade that comes

545
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: out of this. I want to see if you get like,

546
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, like a picture of someone's grandfather in

547
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 2: exchange for a piece of wheat, you know, something like that.

548
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have seeds from all over the place, all

549
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: over the world. I have corns from the Ada Kama

550
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: Desert in Chile. I have seeds from Brazil. I have

551
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: seeds from like Europe, Turkey. I have a friend in

552
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: Morocco that I'm trying to get some castor beans from him,

553
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, because they grow everywhere in Morocco, and I

554
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: send seeds everywhere. I've sent beans to Norway, Australia, Pakistan,

555
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: all over the place, Germany, England, Brooklyn, New York, you know, La,

556
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, wherever I can send that ship things I tried.

557
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, cool, Thanks for talking to us today, Chris.

558
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: I appreciate this. I hope I hope you get some

559
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 2: good trades from this. This would be that'd be cool.

560
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, even rocks. I like crystals and obsidian and things

561
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: you can make arrow heads out of, you know.

562
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say before we go?

563
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Just a yet, which means thank you, You know I've

564
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: I've been I've been listening to you for a few

565
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: years now, since probably twenty twenty two. Around there, cool

566
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: and if you touch my heart? Oh, thank you, all

567
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: your all your people on there. Just stay strong with

568
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: each other. You know, we'll get through these tough times,

569
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, in this country, in the world. You know,

570
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: things are kind of upside down, but I think they're

571
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: going to get better eventually, you know. Yeah, you gotta

572
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: have faith and everything we do.

573
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you, Chris. I appreciate the kind words.

574
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Man.

575
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: I'll I'll see you around the spiritual, the spiritual realm.

576
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely in this world too. You know, maybe someday

577
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I'll come and visit you in New York and then

578
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: Washington wherever you came.

579
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: Out heaving fucking crazy man come through.

580
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got an eagle feather for you, brother.

581
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: Oh, that'd be cool, all right, I'll chack all right.

582
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: If I ever get to see you in real life,

583
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: I'll trade you an eagle feather for a gecko foot,

584
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: all right, right on. Hey, have it going, Chris, Thank you, man,

585
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: here you will, but go on at by Chris. That

586
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: was fascinating, dude, that man, I fuck with that guy

587
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 2: that's I was dude, I was in my head thinking

588
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: like he had like a some kind of e commerce store.

589
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: He's got like a Shopify page, and I'm like, no,

590
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he's fucking just He barters like straight up

591
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: fucking yo. You're in Pakistan. You got a cool rock

592
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: over there. Let me send you a seed in the

593
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: mail you Venmo, no, no Venmo. You send me a seed.

594
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: I'll send you a seed. You send me that cool rock.

595
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: Shit it that's awesome. Everyone go trade with that guy.

596
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: I want that guy to get all sorts of interesting stuff. Hello,

597
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: what's up? Hey, how's it going?

598
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: Oh? Look with you?

599
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: You're about to go to work?

600
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I work at UH in thirty minutes, but I

601
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 3: have to leave out like in like ten minutes.

602
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: So what made you want to call him?

603
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: The guy that was last talking on there on here

604
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: about his culture and all of that was just super

605
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 3: super interesting. And I have an interesting story about because

606
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm Native American as well. But yeah, but I'm like,

607
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: my dad is half Naive American, half Puerto Rican, and

608
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: my mom is white, so I kind of look just

609
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: white and it's made it like kind of I don't know,

610
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 3: nobody believes me, and then I have to like show

611
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: them a picture of my dad and like he's like brown,

612
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: so and then it's like I'm just like a kind

613
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: of a white presenting person. But my dad's family was

614
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: super whitewashed because his mom, who is Native, she was

615
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: utterly recognized as white and same with all of her

616
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: brothers and sisters, because like that was like during the

617
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: time of when they were sending like Indian children to

618
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: boarding school. I don't know if you know about that,

619
00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: but her mom was like, you know, they were like, oh, no,

620
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 3: she's white.

621
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 5: She doesn't need to go to boarding school.

622
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: You know, I'm white. And so basically because my grandparents

623
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: or my great great grandparents kind of led to the

624
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: federal government, I in turn have less federal recognization for

625
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: my native heritage, which is kind of like just this

626
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: crazy unfortunate event. I've talked to a lot of other

627
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 3: people in my situation. It's it's a really common thing.

628
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I wish. I so wish that my family

629
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: was not kind of whitewashed out of their culture because

630
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: of you know, like segregation and prejudice. But yeah, I

631
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: really like I just love hearing stories like the last

632
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 3: guy that called, who's putting such an effort to keep

633
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: his language alive and share it with the use. But yeah,

634
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say that, you know, there's a

635
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: lot going on in like the Native American world, I think,

636
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: and I just thought his call was really interesting.

637
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: Wild from I mean, what's going on in the Native

638
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: American world from your perspectives.

639
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: What he was talking about, like with the uranium minds,

640
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: and like all of the minds going on at the

641
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: reservations are super or not, they're not on the reservations,

642
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: but I know specifically what he's talking about is the

643
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: uranium mind that is poisoning the water supply to the

644
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: reservation of the Navajo people. And it's just like this

645
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: super super fucked up situation that they're in and people

646
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: are getting really sick, davies are born with like deformities,

647
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: Like it's like a horrible, horrible thing. And it's kind

648
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: of like a trend, like not necessarily a trend, but.

649
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 5: You know, it happens everywhere.

650
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: Just like minds and water contamination. And since they are

651
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: kind of a separate federal entity, it's like it's not

652
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: being treated as kind of a another country would treat

653
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like we're kind of poisoning Mexico's water.

654
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: In Mexico is like this giant, you know, entity, so

655
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: they could easily fight back, but you know, Native American

656
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: power is like very limited.

657
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: What so do you you said your mother was Native

658
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: or your father was Native? My dad and what does

659
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: your dad like like embrace uh, like a lot of

660
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: cultural things.

661
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 3: No, it's like super sad, Like me and my sisters

662
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: and my cousins on my.

663
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 5: Dad's side are starting.

664
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: To embrace that type like part of our heritage. But yeah,

665
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, during the time of trying to

666
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: figure out who's Indian and who's not and putting them

667
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: in boarding schools, it was just like so normalized to

668
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 3: be like, oh, no, we're white, don't worry about us.

669
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 5: And my dad's dad, my.

670
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: Grandpa, he and migrated from Puerto Rico and he was

671
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: facing a lot of discrimination too. So when my grandparents

672
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: got together, it was kind of like a we're going

673
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: to decide to not teach our kids about this because

674
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: we don't want them to feel the racism that we experienced.

675
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: Hmm.

676
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: And okay, so they were just like we don't want

677
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: to deal with any of the We don't want them

678
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: to deal with any of that stuff, so we're just

679
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: not going to even bother with.

680
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: It exactly, like we don't want them to to feel different.

681
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: But you know, now it's so cool.

682
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: To be different.

683
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: I think back then it was.

684
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, that's that's interesting. I feel like that's

685
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: like a it's a very interesting general cultural shift where

686
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, it's it's now cool to be different.

687
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: When it used to be bad to be different, it did.

688
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like in you know, I think that

689
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 3: it's hard for people I don't know. I don't want

690
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: to say it's hard for people like me, but it

691
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 3: is kind of just like invalidating because I look kind

692
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: of white. I look maybe a little bit hispanic. My

693
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: hair is like super curly, so people think, you know,

694
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: some people think I'm mixed, some people think I'm white.

695
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: But it's like other people don't believe me. They're like,

696
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: you know, I work in a restaurant, so like the

697
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: chefs are always like, oh, white girl, this white girl

698
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: that the just making jokes about, like you know, because

699
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: I look white, and it's like, oh, well, you know,

700
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: I'm not really And then it's like nobody believes me

701
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: because also it's like everybody wants to not be white.

702
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to like kind of stand out like that.

703
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: So it comes off as like I'm trying to be different,

704
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: you know, mm hmm.

705
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 5: But I am like suttterly recognized.

706
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: As natives still.

707
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 5: But I don't like have the correct amount of Native

708
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 5: blood on my records because of my family not claiming

709
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 5: their Native American heritage.

710
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to been to a reservation? I have.

711
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: I've not been to the one my tribe, my tribe's reservation,

712
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: but I have.

713
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

714
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: My sister teaches high school at a reservation in Arizona.

715
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, how has that been for her? Like what was

716
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: she reported about that experience?

717
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: Well, like kind of what he was saying, like the

718
00:46:54,040 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 3: funds are super you know, stretched thin, and and they

719
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of resources for the school and uh,

720
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, people are, but people are like.

721
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 5: I will say that she said specifically.

722
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: I don't think it was the Navajo who she was

723
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: working with, but she did say that, like there is

724
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: a resurgence in teaching kids their native language. And she

725
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: said that they're like trilingual, like they have like their

726
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: native language and then they have they know Spanish and

727
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: then they know English.

728
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: Obviously, but.

729
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: She said, it's it's a little bit, it's just kind

730
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 3: of hard conditions.

731
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: Mmmm, what is this? What job are you going to

732
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: right now?

733
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm a server at a restaurant?

734
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: Okay? What are your what are your aspirations for your

735
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: existence on this planet?

736
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: You know, it kind of segues perfectly because I just

737
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: had a breakdown about that exact question a few hours ago.

738
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: But I I I studied art in college, and I

739
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: had some like good jobs with it, surprisingly outside of college,

740
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: didn't really stick with any of them long enough.

741
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 5: But you know, I'm kind of trying to figure it

742
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 5: out still.

743
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: I might go back to school. And I was actually

744
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: considering studying Native American art history because I had this

745
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: super cool professor in college who she like has a

746
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: doctorate degree in art history with this like a specification

747
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: or whatever in Native American art history studies, so and

748
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: like she's just the coolest person ever. So I'm kind

749
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: of like that's an option. But then I'm like, I

750
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: don't I don't give a I don't like school that much.

751
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: I don't really know, I don't know. I just want

752
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: to do something really sick and cool and feel fulfilled,

753
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: and obviously working in the restaurant is not that for me,

754
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: but that's okay, do what you gotta do.

755
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm I'm I'm I'm kind of the

756
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: same way. I think it's a good way to be.

757
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: I think when you get to when you get to

758
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: a chat, when you get too attached to any kind

759
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: of specific dream, you sort of set yourself up for failure.

760
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: But uh, like for me, I'm always I'm. I remember

761
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: long a while ago, I remember thinking, like I don't

762
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: really care what I do. I just want to do

763
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: something interesting, something that like if I tell people what

764
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm up to, like, I just always want to be

765
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: like if I'm like telling people what I'm up to,

766
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: I want to be like excited to talk to them

767
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: about it. That's my that's really my main barometer for

768
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: my existence.

769
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: You know.

770
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: I think when you get to you definitely general. When

771
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: you get to a specific things get you know, you

772
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: set yourself up for disappointment.

773
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: Like I said, we're too general, Like what if you're just.

774
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: Like I do finance, that's very that's specific.

775
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, I guess I was thinking like

776
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: in terms of like your job is so niche and

777
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: interesting and cool, and it's like you could just be

778
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: somebody that does finance.

779
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you could be somebody who's like, I

780
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: want to make a lot of money and you know

781
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 2: that could be achieved in a myriad of different ways,

782
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: or you could be like I want to be financed.

783
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: You know, I think the I think the more general.

784
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: There's a weird dude. There's a weird paradoxical thing where

785
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 2: like your dreams need to be both Like it's so

786
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: paradoxical where it's like they need to be both specific

787
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: enough that you can actually achieve them, but general enough

788
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: that you're like open to the world, you know what

789
00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean.

790
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: For sure, Like, yeah, I don't know, Yeah, it is

791
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: this weird paradox I'm really like kind of been spiraling

792
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 3: the last couple of months over it because it's like, Wow,

793
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: what I went to college and studied four years to

794
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: do and I got a job and I didn't like it,

795
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: and I am now doing the same job I was

796
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: doing when I was sixteen, and it's like that is

797
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 3: kind of I don't know, it just kind of makes

798
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 3: me feel bad, kind of makes me feel like I've

799
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: failed a.

800
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: Little bit.

801
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: That you that you failed.

802
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, not like I failed, but I mean I definitely

803
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 3: got in closer now to what I want to do,

804
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: like with all my life experience and whatever. But you know,

805
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: I like went to college for a specific thing and

806
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: I like didn't like it at the end of the day.

807
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: Did you mention what that specific thing is?

808
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: I went to school for art.

809
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't like art? Why don't you like art?

810
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 3: No? No, I love art. I don't like the commodification

811
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: of art and like the commercial side of art.

812
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, the fast is way. Yeah, yeah, I think.

813
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot of value in separating

814
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 2: what you do for money and what you do for

815
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: personal fulfillments. There's also there's also there's also a lot

816
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: of value in those two being the same thing. But

817
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: they each each situation, each situation has its trade offs,

818
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: you know.

819
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 3: Yes, it's just like I can't, ah, I just like,

820
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: you know, other than doing a restaurant job, which is

821
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 3: like in my head, this is like the easy job.

822
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: Like I can't think of anything else like that I

823
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: want to do for money that I would like, Like,

824
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just can't find fulfillment in a

825
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: job where I just get a paycheck. Money doesn't like

826
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: motivate me, and I like wish it did, but it

827
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: just like makes me feel kind of like icky when

828
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm chasing a bag, do you know.

829
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: What I mean? Well, can you take me? I have

830
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 2: a speakerphone real quick?

831
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, not no words.

832
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: I was no I heard. I heard you said. Why

833
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: do you say you wish money motivated you?

834
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 3: Because then I'd have more of it and then I

835
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 3: could do what I wanted to do.

836
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: You know that is.

837
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: I Yeah, I can't like do so I'm like starting

838
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: to apply to a bunch of because I'm kind of

839
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: you know, figuring out, Okay, I want to do art.

840
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to make this happen. So I started applying

841
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: to like different art grants in my state and trying

842
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: to make it happen for myself and like planning on

843
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: moving to a more populated area that has more opportunities

844
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: and whatever for that. And it's just like, at the

845
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: end of the day, I can't make art if I

846
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: don't have money, But I can't make money if I

847
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 3: don't have time to create.

848
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: You know.

849
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: It's yeah, like the.

850
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: Paradox, yes, yes, yeah, that's why the goal. The goal

851
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: is to like, well, that's the trade off, right, is

852
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 2: because the goal is to like be able to spend

853
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: as much time, like and energy doing the things you

854
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: really want to do. And then yeah, paradoxically, yes, you

855
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: need money to do them, and then paradoxically, in order

856
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: to get that money, you have to spend time doing

857
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: things you don't want to do. It's's weird. It's as

858
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: weird like when you like when you like overlap them

859
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: where it becomes a thing of like, you know, your

860
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: your incentives start getting like, you know, you don't know

861
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: what you're doing because you like it. You don't know

862
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: what you're doing because you want to make money. But

863
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: I guess the goal is to figure out. That's why

864
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: everyone's scheming all the time. You know, It's like we

865
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: have everyone's everyone's we're like the goals like figure out

866
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 2: how can I spend as little amount of time doing

867
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: things I don't want to do and make as much

868
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: money as possible? And that is that That is kind

869
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty six American dream, just figuring out

870
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: figuring out a good scheme.

871
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: True that I mean, I'm kind of in a scheme.

872
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: What's your Yeah, I'm scheming for sure. I'm definitely on

873
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: the come up, giving my way to a bag.

874
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, what are you scheming? What's

875
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: the scheme.

876
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 3: The Well, my scheme is like the art grants and

877
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: like trying to find money to create and try to

878
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: create off of somebody else's dime.

879
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 2: That's a good scheme, is my schemes?

880
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 5: Yeah?

881
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: Fuck it?

882
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 3: And I'm also kind of like I have a long

883
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 3: term boyfriend, so it's kind of like, why don't I

884
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: just move in with you and then we could live

885
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 3: cut our rent cost in half and it would be dreamy.

886
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: That's a scheme.

887
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: That's a classic scheme. That's a that's a that's a

888
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: scheme as old as time.

889
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: True.

890
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you pay people. People have talked about this.

891
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: You pay like a there's there is a single tax

892
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: that you have to pay.

893
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: Like being for being single? Yeah yeah yeah, And like, yeah,

894
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: why would I pay that? If I have a boyfriend,

895
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna But then it's like why would I?

896
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: I told my mom I might move in with him,

897
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: and she was like, why don't you just get married?

898
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, what in this economy now? Not getting married?

899
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: How long have you guys been together.

900
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: Three years?

901
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: Three years? What's he do? What's his deal?

902
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I wish I had more time to

903
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 3: talk to you, but looking at the clock, I feel

904
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna.

905
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: Be late for work.

906
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: We have, in fact gone over ten minutes. So I

907
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: will let you get on with your life. What is

908
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: your name? One more time?

909
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: Nicole?

910
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: Nicole? It was nice talking to you, Nicole. I will

911
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: I will see you around the universe. And good luck

912
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: on your on your artistic endeavors.

913
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I liked your perspectives, the paradox.

914
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 4: Thank you.

915
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: Thank you.

916
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: Nice to talk about.

917
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, life is crazy. I always say it, I always

918
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: feel it. I never I never don't feel that way.

919
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: Okay, love you, talk to you later.

920
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: See you, man. What's up, folks, It's me. I'm gonna

921
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: do a little bit of view or mail just to

922
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: end us out, just because I just because I'm like,

923
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: you know what, it's a nice I don't know, it's

924
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: a nice way to end the podcast. I feel, you know,

925
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: I can just talk directly to you, guys. I feel

926
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: like I'm always talking to all to the I feel

927
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: like I talk to the people who listen to this podcast.

928
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: One at a time usually, and I like doing that.

929
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: But this is nice because I can talk to all

930
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: of you at once by also, I guess, but I'm

931
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: also reading emails, so which is also kind of talking

932
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: to people one at a time still. But you know what,

933
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: let's not think about it too much. Let's just let's

934
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: read a few we don't. It's not gonna be crazy,

935
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be a lot, but let's just read

936
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: a couple. Just is a nice way to end the show.

937
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: This is David. This is an email from a guy

938
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: named David. The subject line is I used to write

939
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: gay erotica. Hey, Gek. In your latest gek Mal episode,

940
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: you read an email of mine. I was the guy

941
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: who asked you about your favorite movies, and you told

942
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: me that you are not a movie guy. This is true.

943
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: I thought you were because I thought you talked about

944
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: going to film school and made the connection that way.

945
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: I did go to film school. I don't I like

946
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: making stuff, but I this stuff I like. The the

947
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 2: stuff I like to make and the stuff I like

948
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: to watch are very very different, like my whole Like

949
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: I make videos about like like talking to people and

950
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: about like real world stuff. I guess, but all of

951
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: my like actual YouTube algorithm is like is like, we

952
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: play the over the Hedge video game from two thousand

953
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: and six and we reviewed it, and I'm like, yeah,

954
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: I want to watch tho. That's great. Anyways, while listening

955
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: to my own email, I thought it was so fucking

956
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 2: boring that I wanted to reach out again and share

957
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: something more interesting that I could actually use some advice on.

958
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: As the subject line says, I used to write gay

959
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: erotica stories. Sometimes I'll start by saying I'm actually kind

960
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: of a straight guy. I had two sexual experiences with

961
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: men in an experimental phase that I met online, but

962
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: came to the conclusion no pun intended that was good.

963
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: He wrote, no pun intended that was good. I concluded

964
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't into guys like that if I had to

965
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: put a label on it. If I had to put

966
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: a label on it, I would probably call myself by

967
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: But I feel sure I'll end up with a woman

968
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: in my life as I feel more attraction towards them.

969
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: During this experimental phase, I also started reading some erotica

970
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: and wanted to try writing one myself because I enjoyed

971
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 2: the act of writing. Because I recently had these experiences

972
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: with guys, I thought I would take them as inspiration

973
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: for the stories. After writing my first story, I posted

974
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: it on the gay story subreddit I had been reading on,

975
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: just to see if it would get any reactions. To

976
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: my surprise, the next morning, I checked and saw it

977
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: got a bunch of comments and likes fifteen thousand views.

978
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: It felt kind of cool to reach so many people

979
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: and possibly make their day a little better. I kept

980
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: writing stories, and some of them got more than one

981
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand views, accumulating to a total of

982
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 2: more than a million views on my gay erotica stories.

983
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if this is for a lot of

984
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: Reddit posts, as I don't use it otherwise, but it

985
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: sure felt like it for me. Some people actually kept

986
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: reaching out asking me to write more with special requests.

987
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: It was like I had a little fan base, and

988
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: I actually fulfilled some of these requests, but mostly stayed

989
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: with my own imagination for inspiration. I'm also not sure

990
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: why I kept writing exclusively gay stories. I guess I

991
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: just stuck with what was working for me, as I

992
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: liked the engagement I was getting. I love the you

993
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 2: know what, I love the fucking idea of like, you

994
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: know how, like I don't know, I this is this

995
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: is this sounds uh, this is ironic as somebody who's

996
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: been dressing up in a gecko costume for almost six

997
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: years now. But you know how, there are those content

998
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: creators where it's like they figure out their niche and

999
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: they're like, well, this is what's working, so we got

1000
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: to keep staying with it. This guy, this guy's like,

1001
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: I guess my niche is being gay, So I have

1002
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: to keep being gay because it's what's working. It's just

1003
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: it's an interesting way to approach one's sexuality. I stuck

1004
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: with what was working for me is I liked the engagement.

1005
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: Now here's what I'm debating with myself. I haven't written

1006
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: a story or read one, for that matter, in over

1007
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: a year because I lost interest in it. I'm currently single,

1008
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: but if I were to get with someone, should I

1009
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: tell them about this anonymous gay erotica presence I had online?

1010
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: On one hand, I want to be open with my

1011
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: future partner about stuff like this, But on the other hand,

1012
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: I have never told anyone about it or my gay experiences.

1013
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: It's not something I'm ashamed of, per se, but I

1014
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: feel like it's a chapter I've closed and it might

1015
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 2: be off putting to a future partner. Should some things

1016
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: stay secret or it does honesty last the longest. I

1017
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 2: would love to hear your thoughts and advice. Thank you

1018
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 2: for sharing. This is a great email. So it's interesting.

1019
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: This is a very is a deeply it's a deeply

1020
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: personal thing, right. I will say this. It's a deeply

1021
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: personal thing, and there's a lot different ways to look

1022
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: at it. Here's a few things that I will say confidently.

1023
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: I will say confidently that I don't believe in any way,

1024
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: shape or form, you have some kind of external obligation

1025
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 2: to tell a future partner about this stuff. I don't

1026
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: feel like you're obligated too. So if for whatever reason,

1027
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna share it with them, I don't think you

1028
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: should share with them out of obligation. I think it's

1029
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 2: a bad reason if you share if now now now listen,

1030
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: Some people like I don't know, I have a thing

1031
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: where it's like I can't fucking keep my mouth shut

1032
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: about shit. So I like sharing. I like when I

1033
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: share a thing that I'm a little ashamed of with

1034
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: the person, I feel closer to them. And that's my

1035
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: motivation for sharing stuff. There's things I don't share because

1036
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm I'm uncomfortable, but some things are on the line

1037
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: of comfortability where it's like, I'm comfortable enough with this,

1038
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: I have enough confidence that I can share this with

1039
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 2: this person and it'll it'll strengthen our relationship rather than

1040
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: making it worse, and I'm gonna do it. And so

1041
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: I have kind of an intuitive thing that tells me

1042
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: whether or not I want to share something with someone,

1043
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: and I follow that intuition. So I think that for you,

1044
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 2: you probably have an intuition about that as well. And

1045
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: I hope that intuition isn't guided by some form of

1046
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: obligation to keep a secret or obligation to tell someone something,

1047
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: but rather that your intuition is is again just guided

1048
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: by the principles of like, I don't know this, like

1049
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: intangible kind of feeling. Oh, I think it would. I

1050
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: think I think this person would. I'm this interesting. I

1051
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: think this person might know me more if they knew this. Oh,

1052
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm kind of feel comfortable enough with this person to

1053
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: show this side of myself. So I can't say, yes,

1054
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: you should tell her, Yes you shouldn't, but uh, you

1055
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: know I think you should stick your intuition on that.

1056
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's really interesting, it's cool. I don't

1057
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 2: think it's I don't you know you said you said

1058
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: it's not something you're ashamed of. I don't think it's

1059
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: something you should be ashamed of at all, or or

1060
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: that it might. I don't know why it would be

1061
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: off putting to a future partner. Yeah, you know, I

1062
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 2: I used you know what I used to believe. Maybe

1063
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: some parts of me I used to believe, and maybe

1064
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: some part of my brain still believes this and it

1065
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: doesn't want to because it's the more difficult way of

1066
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: going through life, I believe. But there's also the whole

1067
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: thing of like, well, you know, walk the reads naked

1068
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: metaphorically of course, or if I were naked, or just

1069
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: walk the streets naked, if that's your thing that you

1070
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: want to do. If if if walking the streets naked

1071
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: is your metaphorical walking the streets naked, then you know

1072
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: that's then that's what it is. You know, do that,

1073
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: but it walked the streets naked, and whoever's around, that's

1074
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: who's meant to be in your life. Like if you

1075
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: literally walk to the streets naked, and there was and

1076
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,959
Speaker 2: nine and most and everyone was horrified, except like one

1077
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 2: guy came up to you and was like, Hey, what

1078
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: are you doing? It's interesting? What's your name? Why you

1079
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: walk around naked? What's your name? What do you what

1080
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: are you doing? You're crazy, man? You want to hang

1081
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: out later? This is wild, Like that could happen to you.

1082
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, this part of me, part

1083
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: of me wants to believe that. But then another part

1084
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: of me believes that walking the streets naked metaphorically is

1085
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 2: a little similar to doing it literally, where everyone's like, wow,

1086
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 2: that guy's naked. He looks like a crazy person. Let's

1087
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 2: uh go to another part of the streets. I don't know,

1088
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: but I appreciate you writing this email to me, David.

1089
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: Good luck with your with your Oh wait, okay, yeah,

1090
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 2: you know you lost interest in it.

1091
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 3: MM.

1092
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm pausing. I don't have anything

1093
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: else to say. I said everything I wanted to say.

1094
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: That was the podcast. That was it. We read one email.

1095
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: I don't think I needed to read more. I feel

1096
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: like that email was worth five emails. I liked, I

1097
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: liked all the people we interacted with today. Chris. I

1098
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: forget the name of the girl who I was just

1099
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: talking to, but I liked her. She was nice. Then

1100
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: this guy David, who I saw. His name. I only

1101
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: know because I can read it directly in front of me.

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01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: I mean, if anyone ends up bartering with that guy,

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01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: that'd be awesome. All Right, thanks for listening to this podcast.

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01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: I'll keep making it. Uh, get bless see you around

1105
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: the universe. Have a good one. Goes on the line,

1106
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: taking your phone calls.

1107
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 3: Every night, goes to ride.

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 2: I'm just teaching you. Cloud's not really an expert.