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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for it. Welcome to Darry Episode three,

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Speaker 2: You warn't.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Gettepsion and I'm Mersday Nike, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to x ray Vision of the podcast where

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Speaker 2: we dive. Do you be to your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 2: comics of pop culture? Coming to you from my heart.

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Speaker 2: We'll bring you three episodes a week las days.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, we are going back to Darry, Maine

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Speaker 4: and we are going to recap the episode before we

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Speaker 4: introduce the scream, Queen's comment and Joel to talk about

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Speaker 4: this law expanding episode.

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Speaker 5: Is it better? Is it worse?

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Speaker 4: Is it keeping up the consistency of the show. We

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Speaker 4: will be talking about it, but first let's recap.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Darry Episode three. We open in the past

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Speaker 2: sometime there's a carnival on the outskirts of Darry, a

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Speaker 2: Barker carnival. Barker steers a young boy named Francis towards

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Speaker 2: it's like normal carnival stuff in there Siamese twins, you

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Speaker 2: He flees the tent. His dad is like, you're a

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Speaker 5: Looks like you could really shoot some stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right, like a like a tie off for a heroin

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Speaker 2: the classic Pennywise look is watching from nearby, and one wonders,

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Speaker 2: I think this is where penny Wise got the idea.

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Speaker 2: This isn't Pennywise exactly. Yeah, And the dad and the son, Francis,

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Speaker 2: they leave. They're in their little drop top ford going

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Speaker 2: Open on Juniper Hill, the state run sanitarium where Lily

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Speaker 2: Come on, Ronnie is back at school getting bullied by

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Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing where when you're watching it,

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Speaker 2: Right when this happened, I'm like, oh, we're going this

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Speaker 2: They're all upset that the military is digging around in

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Speaker 4: Generated did oh at fust maybe Francis was gonna become Pennywise.

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Speaker 5: Why are people always like, oh, it's just summon a demon.

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Speaker 4: Don't do it, don't play with don't do it, don't

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Speaker 2: I think they actually need that stuff, right, because they do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna make this.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Dick is you know, they're they're hanging out with

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Speaker 2: So Ronnie's like stop doing that, like okay and get

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Speaker 2: Dick and the Major they're on the porch now drinking beers,

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Speaker 2: and the major is like, how do you know I

434
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Speaker 2: have a son. I didn't mention him. There's no pictures

435
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Speaker 2: of him, I guess in the house, And and Dick

436
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 2: is kind of like, you know, like I think on

437
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: the base maybe people were talking about him or something.

438
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Speaker 2: And the Major then goes to, okay, so what happened

439
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 2: up in the air. It felt like some I don't know,

440
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 2: like some sort of psychic shit or something. And then

441
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Speaker 2: the says, by the way, I think you can read minds,

442
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: and I think I have. And here's how I know,

443
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: because I think you were part of the attack on

444
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Speaker 2: me that night. I think you were not the guy

445
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: attacking me, but I think you were standing off the

446
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: side because I.

447
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Speaker 4: Felt he could feel the same feeling which I thought

448
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Speaker 4: that i'm having now.

449
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Speaker 2: Yes, that someone is in my mind or you know,

450
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: rummaging around in there, and I felt it from that

451
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Speaker 2: guy that night I was attacking. I'm feeling it from

452
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Speaker 2: you now, So stay out of my head, buddy. And

453
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Speaker 2: Dick is like, listen, I will, I'm not gonna fuck

454
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Speaker 2: with you. And here's why. Because when you had a

455
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Speaker 2: gun to your head and people were beating the shit

456
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Speaker 2: out of you, and they were saying, like one hundred percent,

457
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Speaker 2: we're going to kill you. I sensed no fear from you,

458
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Speaker 2: only like analytical.

459
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Speaker 5: Didn't think of his family, didn't think of his why

460
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Speaker 5: that was.

461
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Speaker 4: No fear And he was like, the kind of people

462
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Speaker 4: they sent me to fuck with, they have fea I

463
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Speaker 4: thought that was a gratified with you.

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Speaker 2: So very clearly this is going to play a role

465
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Speaker 2: in whatever happens with Pennywise later because he's this is

466
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Speaker 2: the guy who's immune to pennyone.

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Speaker 4: I like that they built this relationship between the two

468
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Speaker 4: of them as well, because there's this great moment during

469
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Speaker 4: this conversation early on where Hamlin's kind of like, well,

470
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Speaker 4: you won't believe me if I tell you I can

471
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Speaker 4: do and then May just like nah, He's like every

472
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Speaker 4: where I lived because they were in I think New

473
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 4: Orleans before, He's like, everyone knew someone who could do that.

474
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Speaker 4: So I like that even though this guy is the sensible,

475
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Speaker 4: logical guy, he's also going to be a believer, which

476
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Speaker 4: means that when Will and the kids inevitably tell him,

477
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Speaker 4: he will likely be the adult ally, which is nice

478
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 4: and rare to have a sensible adult ally in horror movie.

479
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Speaker 2: We go to the graveyard where nothing is happening, and

480
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Speaker 2: it turns out Rich was probably lying, like a lot,

481
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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, and so sure Jed definitely like

482
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Speaker 2: inflating these stories, these tall tales about his te o

483
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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. So everybody gets mad at them,

484
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: and recriminations flying back and forth, and you know, it

485
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: kind of emerges that maybe the boys didn't believe any

486
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: of this. They're just hanging out because mainly because Will

487
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: has a crush on Ronnie, and so that gets thrown around.

488
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: Ronnie storms off, Lily takes the camera and follows, and

489
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Speaker 2: I was wondering, now if some of the early shots,

490
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Speaker 2: if there's going to be film, if there's gonna be

491
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Speaker 2: something on there. Rich and Will follow the girls on

492
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Speaker 2: their bikes, because the girls, you know, it took their bikes.

493
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: They're just like fuck this, We're leaving. They're peddling towards

494
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Speaker 2: the gate, but the gate is never getting closer, it's

495
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: getting farther away. And now the shit is popping off right.

496
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Speaker 2: The ground is opening up. The ghosts of the slain kid,

497
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Speaker 2: the disappeared kids are coming out of the ground and

498
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Speaker 2: saying something, and the girls are like snapping pictures like

499
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: as these ghosts are flying through the ears, it gets

500
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Speaker 2: very like Chase for the Infinity Gauntlet at the end

501
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Speaker 2: of End Game, where the camera keeps getting hung up

502
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: on a brunch and then another person has everyone has

503
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: to grab the camera.

504
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Speaker 1: The camera.

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00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all these things are happening. Meanwhile, Will gets

506
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Speaker 2: trapped in a crypt and a scary part of the

507
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 2: graveyard and it's kind of the Chase goes by this crypt.

508
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: As Will is in there, the camera gets dropped on

509
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Speaker 2: the ground riches like pick up the camera. Will then

510
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: picks up the camera and is like he sensed somebody

511
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Speaker 2: behind him in the crypt, and he's like, I'm gonna

512
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: go back and try and really get this a good shot,

513
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: which you're screaming, no, don't do this, but he goes

514
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Speaker 2: in there, he snaps a picture and doesn't emerge for

515
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Speaker 2: a second, but then he does manages to get to

516
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Speaker 2: his friends who are standing outside the gates. They all

517
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Speaker 2: embrace huge moment. They go back to develop the film

518
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: at the school and when the shots come out, they

519
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: get the shot, you know, they see the ghosts of

520
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: the kids and it's this is great. And then the

521
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Speaker 2: last one that Will took in the crypt. Is this

522
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: very blurred out clown, very scary clown. It is Pennywise. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and great moment.

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Speaker 1: There he is and they go, what's that? Boom boom.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break and when we come back,

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Speaker 2: we will be joined by the Scream Queens. Carmen, Joel

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Speaker 2: talk about.

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Speaker 6: This episode.

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Speaker 2: And we're back. Welcome to the Scream Queens. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining us at Ladies. How are you I. We'd

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Speaker 2: love to get your takes on this episode, Joel, let's

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Speaker 2: start with you your thought.

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Speaker 3: I really like this one, guys, Like I text the

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Speaker 3: screen Queen's group chat that I was like, I'm glad

535
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: the show keeps getting better. Well, we'll get into the

536
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: scares and sort of where they rank. I do think

537
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: these scares not as scary as one in two. However,

538
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Speaker 3: I think the application of the scares and their impact

539
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: on characters remains strong enough that it keeps my interest.

540
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: And I also I love the goofy little blue floating

541
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Speaker 3: kids like it really it worked for me. I was

542
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Speaker 3: like this, if I wat seance in the cemetery, I

543
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: would be really moved by this. I also Corey Jefferson

544
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Speaker 3: is a co producer on this if you're unfamiliar with

545
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: the name. He worked on Watchman. He wrote the sixth episode,

546
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Speaker 3: which was the flashback with the Police. A depo who

547
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: is in this show playing the Major played the police

548
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: officer in there. He based that the character here in

549
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: it on his father. And I was listening to the

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Speaker 3: it Welcome to Dairy Official podcast hosted by friend of

551
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: the pod Mark Barnarden and Prince Weeks, and on it,

552
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: Andy Muschietti was talking about how like when they brought Cordon,

553
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: he was really responsible for really nailing the tone of

554
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: everything that's going on in the Major's house and developing

555
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: those characters. And I just think like in sci fi specifically,

556
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: when you're dealing with like racist issues, it's rare that

557
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: we get two black characters talking to each other not

558
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Speaker 3: about race issues and not sort of lamenting, and they're

559
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Speaker 3: both really fleshed out and like feel like real human characters.

560
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Speaker 3: And I was like, the scene on the porch really

561
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Speaker 3: for me was a sweet spot. I had a lot

562
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Speaker 3: of fun with this episode.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, Joe, could you talk a little

564
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Speaker 4: bit more to that, because I do feel like we're

565
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Speaker 4: coming out of what my my very talented friend and

566
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Speaker 4: cartoonist Bianca Eunice was calling for a while the Jordan

567
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Speaker 4: Peel industrial complex, not a critique on Jordan, but a

568
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Speaker 4: critique on studios trying to replicate that through basically just

569
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Speaker 4: doing black trauma right them these stories that were very

570
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Speaker 4: much about like, yeah, being black is horrible, but it's

571
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Speaker 4: also like we have to show that through violence, violence

572
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: violence against black people constantly, that there is a you know,

573
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: a limit there of how effective that can be when

574
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Speaker 4: it comes to making like a radical statement. This feels

575
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Speaker 4: like an evolution of that to telling like a historically

576
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Speaker 4: accurate story about America within like a genre space. Could

577
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Speaker 4: you talk a little bit about how this kind of

578
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Speaker 4: grows on those shows that we've had over the last

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Speaker 4: few years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a really interesting time. We're seeing a

581
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Speaker 3: lot of reports on like a downswing and hiring people

582
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Speaker 3: of color and women behind the camera. We're seeing a

583
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Speaker 3: lot of studios step away from these kinds of projects

584
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Speaker 3: which were really pushed after the George Floyd incident as

585
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: well as the success of get Out. A lot of

586
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: the wrong lessons were learned from get Out. Get Out

587
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: is not an extremely violent film. It's an extremely psychological

588
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: film that really seeks to explore like the eternal headspace

589
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Speaker 3: of black people as they deal with racism. And so

590
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Speaker 3: I think for me anyway, like this is a thing,

591
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Speaker 3: especially as we look at like sci fi and horror.

592
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: You know, often those are used as lenses to explore

593
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: and critique the other. So, whether that's black culture, queer culture,

594
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: you name it, and that's a good thing. Someone I

595
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: wish I could remember who wrote someone wrote a really

596
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: good article recently about it, talking about just this subject,

597
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: and they were saying something really interesting to me, which

598
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: is like, if you want to place a movie in

599
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Speaker 3: a time or racism exists, you cannot have people of

600
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Speaker 3: color and not have it be impacting them. Like it's impossible. Yeah,

601
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, like how much of that

602
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Speaker 3: do we want? But I also don't want to be

603
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Speaker 3: a race from history. I also really respect my ancestors

604
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Speaker 3: and what they went through. I also know they have

605
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Speaker 3: lives outside of that, and so I think it's a

606
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: really hard needle to thread, to be like, we want

607
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Speaker 3: to address the issues as they were occurring in time,

608
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Speaker 3: but we want to make sure we have full human

609
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Speaker 3: beings outside of these like defined limits. So I think

610
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Speaker 3: what's really interesting to me is, like the Mushi Eddies

611
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: are coming. You know, they were born and raised in

612
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: Columbia under fascism. They've talked a lot about its impact

613
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: on this story. Specifically they've put you know, aditionous folks

614
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: and black people that I think they've really put together

615
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: a well rounded room so that we could get characters

616
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: like this, so that you could do all of it,

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Speaker 3: so that you could both critique the culture at the

618
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Speaker 3: time and have like these really deeply interesting characters. I

619
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Speaker 3: want to hear Carmen's thoughts, but we should definitely circle

620
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Speaker 3: back to the ideas.

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Speaker 7: I was gonna say, yeah, I felt like this episode.

622
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Speaker 7: Of course, it's definitely not a scariest episode one or two,

623
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Speaker 7: but I did enjoy the lore expansion that we're doing here.

624
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Speaker 7: I really love to get to know the character Declarin

625
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Speaker 7: a little bit more. He is one of my favorite

626
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 7: characters from The Shining getting to know how his like

627
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 7: powers work a little bit more too. I just have

628
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 7: to say though, I do love how the series continually

629
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Speaker 7: keeps you on edge. You know, like when you enter

630
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Speaker 7: a new scene, if you can trust what you're seeing,

631
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Speaker 7: you know, you're like because they've established that in episode

632
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Speaker 7: one or two. Even though I wasn't as scared in

633
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Speaker 7: episode three, I was still just as on edge because

634
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Speaker 7: I wasn't necessarily trusting everything that I was seeing right away.

635
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Speaker 7: And I think they do a great job of that

636
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 7: in the first two episodes, kind of setting you up

637
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Speaker 7: for it. I you know, I I don't know how

638
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Speaker 7: I felt so much about I'm gonna have to watch

639
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 7: it again. I don't know how I felt about the

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Speaker 7: blue ghosts flying around that was that was a bit.

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Speaker 2: Very for me. It was a it was a very

642
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Speaker 2: like Disneyland.

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Speaker 1: It's very haunted.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you, guys, then, is that because that's

645
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Speaker 4: how like a kid would perceive a ghost And you know,

646
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 4: I buy it. I wonder like that all different obviously,

647
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 4: we get that really scary.

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Speaker 3: We're also seeing like the errors of horror and how

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Speaker 3: they impact like so you know, like when we're looking

650
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Speaker 3: at like in our flashback scene, you know, it's very

651
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: like hate grotesque y freak shows exactly. Yeah, And so

652
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: like these like nineteen fifties I kind of just hang, like,

653
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: have guys seen Halloween costumes from like the fifties and sixties?

654
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Terrifying?

655
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, very very coded to like house on horned hill

656
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: style fifties movie ghosts.

657
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: That's really great pull, Joel. I like that, that's true, Joelle.

658
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 4: Explain also a little bit more about your theory regarding

659
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: the theme song, because I do think we get it.

660
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 5: Girl wearing the red ribbons, so talk, talk talk.

661
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: I have so many questions about that girl clown. I

662
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: hope she comes up again. They spent way too much

663
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: time lingering on her. Please. I was immediately interested in

664
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: this theme song. It's so weird and goofy, so I

665
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: had to look into it. So the theme song is

666
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: called a Smile and a Ribbon. It's by Patients and Prudence,

667
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: their sisters. If you are on TikTok, you probably know

668
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: their song. I know you be too, so body. It's creepy.

669
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: Who asked them to sing about being the other woman.

670
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: It's bizarre. They're children. But what it resonated was the

671
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: final verse of the song, which goes sorry make yourself,

672
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: which goes something like this, So I'll have that extra

673
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: something because I'll know what to wear. So I'll be

674
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: special and i'll be rare. I'll be something beyond compare.

675
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: I'll be noticed because I'll wear a smile and a

676
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: ribbon in my hair. I think that is the entity

677
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: known as it. I think that is the alien, the

678
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: high pitched voice, the big tooth thing, big toothy grin,

679
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff about I'll be noticed and I'll

680
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: be rare, and I'm going to be right in your

681
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: face about it. And it's sickly sweet and charming, but

682
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 3: there's something sinister and weird underneath it. Again, I don't

683
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: know what was going on with Patients and Prudence or

684
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: the team behind them, but creepy songs, guys, And I

685
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: was like, go ahead, Bard.

686
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 7: The imagery we see are all basically different, historical like

687
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 7: chaotic things that Penny is cars throughout the.

688
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 4: Town, which okay, I also so something I did think

689
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: is interesting that I would love to hear you guys

690
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 4: thoughts on. So we were kind of wondering, you know, off, Mike,

691
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: where did this new iteration of pennywise, this kind of tall, creepy,

692
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 4: hybrid thin man version. So that which which was really

693
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 4: scary that we saw at the beginning. Now there is

694
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: a Native American like story about the tall man, right,

695
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: and the description of the toll man is very similar.

696
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: It's this kind of notion of this tall, thin, long

697
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: armed man.

698
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 5: So I do think this is them playing on that.

699
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 4: What I think is most interesting is that the tall

700
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: man has been associated throughout history with terrible events like

701
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: the Wounded Knee massacre, and then also just seen as

702
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: like the way that America has kind of treated indigenous

703
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 4: people has come to that the notion. So I'm interested

704
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: because that seems to be what that also setting up

705
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 4: with Pennywise.

706
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: I want to because we have critiqued Stephen King's to

707
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: be Native Americans, I also want to say that we're

708
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: letting this show off the hook in that regard. Yeah,

709
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: talk man, first of all, is a plane is a

710
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: plane's native. So I have no particular critique. I think

711
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: like Stephen King's, I get the criticism, but I also

712
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: feel like even this show, which is doing it in

713
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: a more positive way, is still playing in the positive

714
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: tropes of Native Americans. They're wiser, they have the wisdom

715
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: of the woods and the nature, and they know more

716
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: about nature than we do. Which listen, sure, but if

717
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: that's all you know about them, which is the case

718
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: for the show, then are we still not doing it?

719
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

720
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: Can I say, really interesting to me about the indigenous representation.

721
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: Here was the council meeting later, which I really snagged

722
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: on and again really kind of hyper focusing on the

723
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: fact that like fascism has impacted their viewpoints as of

724
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: the story, and this idea of like, Okay, here's like

725
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: a collective group of people calling together to have a conversation.

726
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: One person clearly knows more than everybody else in the

727
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: room has a big impact on Like when she's when

728
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: Rose stands up to leave, everyone turns to look at her,

729
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: but she's not guiding them, and like it's not like

730
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: an altruistic like, oh, like what's best for the tribe

731
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 3: or really she's like I'm curious, I want to know

732
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: what's going on, and maybe her her ideas are going

733
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: to be the best thing for the But this point

734
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: in time, I think that to me feels like a

735
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: deviation of like the stereotypical way we would depict like

736
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: an occasion.

737
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: I think in the sense that they are showing her

738
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: as like a fool character. Yes, a complex character who's

739
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: not just like in habited by various tropes. But all

740
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying is like we are still this show is

741
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: still kind of doing it. It's that's that's my critique

742
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: is in the same way that we I think, as

743
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 2: non native consumers of storytelling in various forms, I think

744
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: we underrate our own like how much we are programmed

745
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: by these tropes over time, and that what we're responding

746
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: to is, oh, this is the pot this is oh cool,

747
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: Like they're not, uh, you know, savage killers. But what

748
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: we are still responding to is this kind of mythical

749
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: connection to like, I guess what I'm saying is what

750
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: you know, what are these characters like when they are

751
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: just like having dinner, not communing with right, not like

752
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: in the same way that we saw dinner at the hand,

753
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: you know, or kids just talking not like shot through

754
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: with whatever this show's version of their belief system.

755
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 7: You know what I mean.

756
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

757
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: Now, I will say one, we have some really incredible

758
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: Indigenous and Native listeners, So if anyone feels like really

759
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: strong about this, like come on and tell us.

760
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: Your feelings, because it will be great to have a voice.

761
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: But I will also I just want to say quickly,

762
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 4: ro the woman who plays Rose Kimberly Noris Guerrero. She

763
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: did say at New York Comic Con she was basically like,

764
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: it's a Stephen King universe. It's a family, but it's

765
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: a family that we've been left out of. And she

766
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 4: was like, the natives have been there, we've been able,

767
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 4: but we've never been able to join you at the table.

768
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: And now we have stories, and boy, what a story.

769
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: So I'm interested to see if there is an expansion

770
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: on this because she also feels like she's very happy

771
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: with this role and kind of the way it's broadened out.

772
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 5: So I'm excited to see what.

773
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: Want to be clear that I feel very positively about

774
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: the show, and you make a great point. You want

775
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: to say, much like as when I say like in

776
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: the same way that when I see like a martial

777
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: arts show or martial arts movie and it's like, of

778
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: course the Asians are going to be there, Like like,

779
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: of course we're going to be there.

780
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: Could you see an agent? Just like playing a PlayStation with.

781
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: That friend, I at least want to see like but

782
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: when I see it, I at least want to see

783
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: us like being cool and not depicted. Chittaly, Yeah, the

784
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: same way, like, Okay, this is a magical story about

785
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: the fucking woods, about a ghost in the woods, like

786
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: and the Native Americans are there, Okay, you like, but

787
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: at least it's a good version of that. Like, I

788
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: just want to acknowledge that it is a ghost story

789
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 2: about the about the woods. Again.

790
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: I like that you pulled that into because something I'm

791
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 4: interested in with this particular conversation is like the Toll

792
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 4: Mound mythology is like so key to what they're doing,

793
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: especially now they've brought him into the text, and this

794
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 4: idea of it now being kind of the Western or

795
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 4: you know, colonizer version of that.

796
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm I want. I don't want them.

797
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 5: To end up connecting these two things together and take.

798
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: Like I want to know where that is going, because

799
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: as if you, if anyone watched Reservation Dogs, there's some

800
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: really interesting stuff in there about the Tall Man and

801
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: his relations to like suicide rates.

802
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 5: So I think there's ways to do this that are

803
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 5: like really thoughtful.

804
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't want this to not be that.

805
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: But I think this episode with Rose and kind of

806
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 4: expanding on that and seeing life on the res like

807
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 4: you said, Joel, let's hope that that keeps growing. And

808
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 4: like you said, Jason, we don't just only see them

809
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 4: in the context of it, you know, we get to

810
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 4: see them exist outside of it?

811
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 7: Can we talk about how incompetent the American government seems

812
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 7: to be hot that I mean, listen that they're not

813
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 7: even anywhere near where pennywise is.

814
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: It seems no, k they're getting hits. Like to be

815
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: fair to them, they're spending a tremendous amount of money.

816
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 7: Underation of all those ships on the sewers. It's got

817
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 7: to be causing some water management issues.

818
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: No, well, that's a good point. It left me wondering,

819
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: like when were the sewers built? Like that're so cute?

820
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm huge sorry are we in England?

821
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 5: These three hundred year old sewers?

822
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Like come on, guys, they can't be.

823
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: Older than like the New York subway system, right.

824
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: Like it like it's got to be like eighteen late

825
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds is what it can't be.

826
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 7: And nobody has checked them out since it was built.

827
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 7: Apparently like nobody has gone.

828
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: So the thing they're looking for was buried in like

829
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 3: the fifteen eighties.

830
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 4: So that Joel wants your biggest bet for what they're

831
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 4: looking for.

832
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: I'm so lost. Is it the spaceship that when Penny

833
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: when it came.

834
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the way he crashed a million years ago though,

835
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: so that would be any longer.

836
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: Than crashed Yaw three and sixty five.

837
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: Crash hillions of years ago. But they only buried the

838
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: spaceship three hundred years ago, right, I don't know. I

839
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: don't know. What do you guys think? What do you

840
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: think we're looking for?

841
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: I think we're going to be looking for whatever. I

842
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: think this is going to be. Like penny Wise was

843
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: trapped in something m he escaped it, Okay, I think

844
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be something like I think

845
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: it's gonna be that. Like listen, there's no there's no

846
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: version of this story from what we've seen so far

847
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: right where the native community doesn't know a lot more about.

848
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: That, so does the trapped him before. Maybe that's why

849
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: I think they trapped it.

850
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: I think they managed to trap it because why couldn't

851
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: leave the woods? Why couldn't he leave the woods?

852
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: Right?

853
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: So I think they managed to trap him in an

854
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: area and whatever that object or thing is, that's what

855
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: the government is looking for, and that's the secret. I

856
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 2: think that Rose told the general about it, and I.

857
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: Think that might be true also because why could he

858
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: not follow them out of the graveyard?

859
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: Exactly.

860
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 5: And the graveyards the forest, right, it's the graveyard.

861
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because whenever I'm thinking back to

862
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: the films and like when we see Pennywise stop and action,

863
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: it's usually because there's a group of people. Now like

864
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: more people have shown up and you're safe.

865
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm very interested in this. I really like

866
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: that read on it.

867
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: I have a I have a concern slight concern, Okay, okay.

868
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: I think it's really important that two of the big

869
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: goals that our characters have are when clear Hank's name

870
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: and make sure that the town knows that Lily well,

871
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: make sure, at least from a legal perspective, Lily cannot

872
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: be put back into a mental institution, right, yes, clear

873
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: her name. I think that's very important because I here's

874
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: my worry. This was the most IT like episode we got.

875
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: The kids. The kids are beginning to fight back. The kids.

876
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: They're on buy in, they're on bikes, they're doing the thing,

877
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: running around confronting uh this force penny Wise directly right

878
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: and kind of getting away with it. I worry if

879
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: we continue this way and the kids, with Major Hallern's

880
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: help or whoever beat penny Wise, that it will like

881
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: I think Pennywise is less scary. If he gets beat

882
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: by kids multiple times.

883
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 4: You've got.

884
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: You've got it. You've got to come up with different

885
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: like he can't be like he can't get to the

886
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 2: eighties and be like, oh, the kids are plotting against

887
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: me again. I've learned nothing from the time they beat

888
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: me in the sixties, And that is my one little concern.

889
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: Is anybody else concerned about that?

890
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: No, I don't think anyone gets out all. I think

891
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: the only people who get alive are the ones we

892
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: know get out alive, like the people that are set

893
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 3: up in stories later. I think everybody else is marked

894
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: for death. Given the amount of children we've seen on

895
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: Missing Posters and Darry both in the movies and here,

896
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: and given the fact that we both its early. Yeah,

897
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 3: first of all, yes, can I tell you that it's

898
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: so eerie watching the kids be in the hangout and

899
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 3: like like them completely consuming and taking over the spaces

900
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: if those other kids had never ever been here? And I.

901
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 4: Because also have you noticed how they don't really talk

902
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: about them anymore? Like before that was the driving factor,

903
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 4: but now it's like they're kind of forgetting that they

904
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: ever existed, which does also feel.

905
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: Like, how we're gonna I'm not gonna lie.

906
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 4: I think any Machete, Andy and Barbara, they have done

907
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: stuff before that I haven't, you know, enjoyed choices.

908
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 5: I felt quite brute all and stuff. But I could imagine.

909
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: Them ending this show with Lily in the institute and

910
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: no one believing her and everyone else like forgotten about

911
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 4: apart from you know, Will and Handlon and the people who.

912
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: It seems evidently I don't trust the nurse at the top.

913
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: I know she was being friendly, but I'm like, I

914
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 3: think this is good.

915
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 7: She's got even less control than hers. She's just a custodian,

916
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 7: like she's a oh yeah, she's like a janet.

917
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I uh okay. So Stephen King loves

918
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: the janitor, love loves the janitor, and they're usually altruistic,

919
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: so maybe I'm on this cross base here. I just

920
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: never trust an adult and a Stephen King film either,

921
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 3: and so Mike consent, Yeah, exactly. So I'm worried about

922
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: the nurse. I do think that we're going to end

923
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: up with a lot of dead kids and we'll see

924
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: like how many wise like becomes even stronger at the end,

925
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: especially because we're going backwards, like, well, you really want

926
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: to see this in like bust out at the end

927
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: of this and then figure out like what was he

928
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: tinkering with twenty seven years before that? So I'm okay,

929
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: the painting and timing is off, but I think it

930
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: works in the show's favor.

931
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: Is there a version of this show where it ends

932
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 4: with the Cuba missing missile crisis and then we just

933
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 4: skip backwards.

934
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: The what if? Wait?

935
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: What if they do have an what if the Cuban

936
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: missile crisis is a global Pennywise hallucination. I'm never it

937
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: never historical happened. It's just like a band of syndrome.

938
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: Ya wait, guys, well we're talking about timing. How long

939
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: was Lucille in Juniper Hill.

940
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: It feels like two weeks of a week to two weeks.

941
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: She doesn't look too deeply fucked up, and at the

942
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 4: beginning I was really watching those credits when I rewatched

943
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: it this morning, and they have like a boy in

944
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 4: an institute getting like labotomized by a bunch of women.

945
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 4: So I think we can assume that if you're there

946
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 4: for a while, you're probably not coming out.

947
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: Oh, we didn't even talk about the Madeline Stow character.

948
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Madeline so character who seems like

949
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: a pre loser or like the proto loser like character,

950
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: because I do think that this bracelet is whether it's

951
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: the same bracelet or it's clearly the inspiration for the

952
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: losers later, whether they know it or not.

953
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: Is she somebody who twenty six years ago.

954
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 5: Had to fight?

955
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: I think yes, she is a survivor of a previous

956
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: IT encounter.

957
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 4: My one believes she has to work as a custodian

958
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: in the mental asylum, like they don't really respect at.

959
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: She did keep the brain with the turtle on it,

960
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 3: so that sort of kind of in the loop.

961
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So I believe so she must have vital like

962
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: information about how you can survive this. And my question is,

963
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: I guess has she been Have we missed a reference

964
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: to her previously? Just a conversation and we like, there's

965
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: no way where we don't get a flashback to who

966
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: she is she went through.

967
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: Right, like we have to My guess, as I guess

968
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: lost time where I really's dad? Yeah, I think there's

969
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 4: gonna be there's gonna be something to do with Lily Dad,

970
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 4: because she seems she still remembers that even though a

971
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: lot of the stuff they kind of seem to forget

972
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 4: in the town. I would also say as well, like

973
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 4: I just think that with Madeline and with after the

974
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 4: flashback that began this episode, which I thought was perfectly timed,

975
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 4: and I was like, I think it's gonna draw in

976
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 4: it people.

977
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 5: I think we could get a flashback per episode.

978
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 4: Now, like they established them as these kind of like

979
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: a cold open basically, and we're starting to see the

980
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 4: way that for example, the car that they found that

981
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 4: was obviously the car that we saw the kid get

982
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 4: kidnapped into, that was a car that was left over

983
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 4: from when a bunch of bank robbers tried to rob

984
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: a bank in Derry and everyone just killed them.

985
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: So I think that it can control.

986
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 5: The people of Derry and make them behave badly too.

987
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe it made wonder like the the kid

988
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: fight that Charlotte sees and we see them on episode two,

989
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: is that like is that an echo through time? Did

990
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: she really see that? Did that really happen then everybody

991
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: looking at her really weird right? Or or did she

992
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: see something that happened a while ago. That's part of

993
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: like I do wonder how much of what we are

994
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: seeing is unreliable narrator anywise, calluci.

995
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 7: And I love that, That's what I'm saying. I love

996
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 7: that they established that. You know, it makes it so fun.

997
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: This show's fun. It's fun. It is so fun to

998
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: talk about any other hanging, predictions, concerns, final thoughts.

999
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really interested in Taylor Page character ms Anlin.

1000
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: She's married to the major. The more I think, like,

1001
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: first of all, I think there's levels of brilliance to

1002
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: this show. Not calling it perfect, not say it's great

1003
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: show of all time, but like levels of.

1004
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: Brilliance as happening here. Yeah.

1005
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we commented on Leroy in episode one and

1006
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 3: I said, oh, if he's kind of like naive because

1007
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 3: he's got this idea of like, hey, if you follow

1008
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: all the rules, like America can fix itself. But now

1009
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: I know Leroy doesn't have a fear response. And then

1010
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: he's brought his wife and child to a clearly racist

1011
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: neighborhood where he cannot experience the fear of racism, and

1012
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: it's constantly denying it.

1013
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: And there is.

1014
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: Something like just as a loud and proud member of

1015
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: the black community, this is an active thing that happens

1016
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: frequently is something that's actually happened in my family where

1017
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: we've integrated spaces, like way early, there's no community and

1018
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: they're like, this is good. This is like upward movement

1019
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: and mobility, and you should be grateful to be here.

1020
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 3: But that lack of community and support, the ostracization, the

1021
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: way you already see poor Will in school being ganged up. Immediately,

1022
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: they're like, do you understand the concept of time? Like

1023
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: he's an idiot when he's a truly brilliant child, Like

1024
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: I am so fascinated to see where this story goes,

1025
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: and I think what Taylor's doing with this ca character. Again,

1026
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: listen to the podcast Guys official podcast Really Good gives

1027
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: you a lot of insight. They were talking about how

1028
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 3: like her character though written on the page, so much

1029
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: was discovered when Taylor showed up on set, like the

1030
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 3: fact that the Annie said she really came alive during

1031
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 3: the dinner scene where she pops up and she measures

1032
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 3: her kid after talking about being worried about what's going

1033
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: on in the South, She's like, you know, boys should

1034
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: do this, This boy should be measured by She's scattered

1035
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: and she's all over the place, but she's got this

1036
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: like great big energy and all this joy and love,

1037
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is a really unique character. I

1038
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 3: love her. I can't watch her die. Please don't kill

1039
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: her off.

1040
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.

1041
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 3: But I do want them to explore this thread of like,

1042
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: you know what, what is fear for black people in America?

1043
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 3: What are you without it? Like that is a fascinating threat,

1044
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 3: and I'm excited to see them pull at it more.

1045
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1046
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 3: Good point.

1047
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: Well, we'll be covering this show. Very excited to keep

1048
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: covering it. I have no idea where we're going.

1049
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 4: No, this episode felt so different to me in a

1050
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 4: good way, and I'm excited to keep seeing where it

1051
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: surprises us like that.

1052
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: On the next episodes of Extra Vision, we're diving into

1053
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: Stranger Things to get you ready for the final season

1054
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: of Stranger Things, starting your starring your favorite thirty five

1055
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 2: year old cast members of Stranger Things. That's it for

1056
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: this episode.

1057
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Bye bye back x.

1058
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie Knight

1059
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

1060
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

1061
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

1062
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 4: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and bay Wag.

1063
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

1064
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

1065
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and Heidi.

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00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 5: Our disc called moderate though