1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to Drilled. I'm Amy Westervelt. This 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: week I'm at Climate Week in New York. It strangely 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: the first time I've ever been to Climate Week. Will 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: have been covering climate for twenty plus years now. It's 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: been an interesting mix so far. But last night we 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: did a live event version of our mad Men season. 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of talk this week at 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Climate Week about the mad Men of Big Oil because 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: UN Secretary General Antonio Guterrez has been calling for these 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: mad men to be held to account. So I figured 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: it was a good time to reprise our season on 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: this subject. This season initially debuted in twenty and it 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: came about because we had done this initial season on 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: the history of climate denial. And the more I looked 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: into it, the more I realized that there had to 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: be something else going on, that this could not have 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: worked as well as it did and as quickly as 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: it did if there wasn't something else there. The strategy 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: of climate denial is not that brilliant, and as I 20 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: started looking for answers, I talked to a lot of 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: scholars like doctor Robert Brule at Brown, Melissa Aronchick at Rutgers, 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: lots of folks, and the more I learned about the 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: way that pro fossil fuel propaganda had been shaped, the 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: more it all made sense. That season focused on key 25 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: figures in the pr industry, but the fossil fuel industry 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: has worked to shape information in general from all sides. 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: You heard our episode last week on university research. That's 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: one way. You heard us talk to Maddie Stone earlier 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: in the year about management consultancies. That's another way. There 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: all these ways that the industry really warps the information 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: that we're getting, and even the structure of the information ecosystem. 32 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: That's why I often talk about information pollution instead of disinformation, 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: because we're dealing with something more than just a couple 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: of misleading statements. If you've never listened to this season, 35 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: it's a good time to listen to it now. If 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: you did listen to it when it came out, it's 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: a good time to re listen to it now. Here 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: is episode one as a refresher, and I hope you'll 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: listen to the rest. We'll be back with a new 40 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: episode next week. Thanks for listening. 41 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: Some farms grow food. This one gross fuel. 42 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: Natural gas and oil companies are successfully meeting the demand 43 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: for greater energy. 44 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions to their lowest levels and a generation. 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: And should there weather change yet again, on. 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: That sor gas can step in to keep the power 47 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 4: flowing and the light shining, no matter. 48 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: The forecast, innovating to meet the energy demands of today 49 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: and tomorrow. 50 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: If you watch TV, or listen to the radio or podcasts, 51 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: or use social media, or read newsletters or get your 52 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: news online. 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: In other words, if you are. 54 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: A human in America today consuming media in any form, 55 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: you've probably heard or seen some variation of these ads. 56 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: They are everywhere, which makes sense. The oil industry is 57 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: embroiled in lawsuits over its role in delaying action on 58 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: climate change. 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: Teenagers all over. 60 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: The world are striking for climate policy, and every Democrat 61 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: running for president has both a climate plan and a 62 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: position on the Green New Deal. So companies like Exon Mobile, 63 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: Chevron BP, they're worried about their image. They want consumers 64 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: to think of them as green companies, not polluters. And 65 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: the American Petroleum Institute their trade organization. They want everyone 66 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: to remember that natural gas is a clean energy. But 67 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: oil propaganda is nothing new. In fact, it's been a 68 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: part of the industry almost since it began, The American 69 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: Petroleum Institute. You know the guys you hear in all 70 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: the news podcasts like The New York Times, The Daily 71 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: are Voxes, the Weeds. 72 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: Today, the US is leading the world and producing natural 73 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: gas and oil while reducing emissions at the same time. 74 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: They've been around for more than one hundred years, and 75 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: their strategy hasn't actually changed all that much in those years. 76 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: According to environmental sociologist Bob Brule, who you might remember 77 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: from season one. 78 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: The American Way of Life and everything good about America. 79 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: You know, apple Pie Mom, the flag fossil fuels, and 80 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 3: so by implication, what they do is basically say, any 81 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: attack on fossil fuels is an attack on our way 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: of life. 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: Part of what has enabled the fossil fuel industry to 84 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: operate the way it does is exactly this sort of propaganda. 85 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: It has given the industry social license. It's created the 86 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: conditions for science denial to thrive, and it works in 87 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: really subtle ways too. It's the reason you'll hear even 88 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: those who want to act on climate say things about 89 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: protecting oil companies while you do it. So that's the 90 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: story we're going to tell this season, the creation of 91 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: big Oil's big propaganda machine and why it's still so 92 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: effective today. I'm Ami Westervelt, and this is Drilled, Season three, 93 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: The mad Men of Climate Denial. 94 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: The important thing that we thought we had discovered in 95 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: our research, the thing we taught people need to understand, 96 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: was that actually the roots of the story are not 97 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: found in the fossil fuel industry. 98 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: They're found in the tobacco industry. 99 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: That's Naomi Eurescu's Harvard science historian and Merchant Doubt author. 100 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: Since Orescas first uncovered the link between big tobacco and 101 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: climate denial, it's been sort of accepted wisdom that big 102 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: oil copied big tobacco, and that's that. But that's not 103 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: quite the whole story. Big oil definitely copied science denial 104 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: from the tobacco industry's playbook. Aurescus has proven that thoroughly. 105 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: Just like tobacco funded studies about all the other causes 106 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: of lung cancer to create doubt about its product really 107 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: being so bad, the oil guys funded research on all 108 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: the other potential causes of global warming, long after they 109 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: knew the primary culprit was fossil fuels. But there's more 110 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: to Big Oil's strategy than science denial, a lot more. 111 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: Big oil started trying to influence the public a long 112 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: time before it got into the scientific spin game. In fact, 113 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: the oil industry wrote the playbook on American propaganda in general, 114 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the techniques that we still see today, 115 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: fake news, disinformation campaigns, even changing the vocabulary we used 116 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: to talk about, things like how we went from the 117 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: greenhouse effect to global warming to climate change. All of 118 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: that and more was created for the benefit of the 119 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: oil industry. Science denial is one front in Big Oil's 120 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: idea war, and it's an important one, but it's not 121 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: the only one. 122 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: Here's Bob Brule again. 123 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: Well, why and share of the effort that these guys 124 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: are spending money on. It's not on science denial. Yes, 125 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: they spend this much on science denial, and I'm not 126 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: saying that that isn't important and doesn't count. But they're 127 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: spending probably five or ten times more on all this 128 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: corporate promotion advertising. 129 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: When oil companies and trade groups like the American Petroleum 130 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: Institute pay public relations firms, it's not just for advertising 131 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: or even for dealing with the media. It's also for 132 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: less obvious tactics that aim to create a generally positive 133 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: view of the industry. If that sounds like some sort 134 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: of psychological warfare, it is. There's a long history of 135 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: military intelligence experts getting into the pr business, many of 136 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: them on behalf of Big Oil. Over the past century, 137 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: multiple generations of these guys have built an extensive, you 138 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: could say, well oiled publicity machine. That machine has shaped 139 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: American opinions on the environmental impacts of oil and the 140 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: importance of the fossil fuel industry. It's that apparatus that 141 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: the courts are starting to call into question today and 142 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: that the public is finally starting to see too. And 143 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: it all started more than one hundred years ago with 144 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: the first oil tycoon, John D. 145 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: Rockefeller. 146 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 5: No, on this my birthday, I desire to reaffirm my 147 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 5: belief in the fundamental principles upon which this country was founded, 148 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 5: their birthday, unselfish emotions of the common good, and believe 149 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 5: in God. 150 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: There he is, on his ninety third birthday with his 151 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: brown little glasses, sounding like a true American patriotism. 152 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: Morality, the common good. Now, John D. 153 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: Rockefeller was a very religious guy, but this image here 154 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: is really the result of decades worth of grooming and 155 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: management from the world's first pr guy. 156 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: The foundations of modern pr in general, and the fossil 157 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: fuel propaganda machine in particular, were built around rehabilitating the 158 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: Rockefeller family's image back in the early nineteen hundreds, and 159 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: specifically to counter the work of one woman, an investigative journalist, 160 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: one of the first muckrakers, a woman named Ida Tarbell. 161 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: This is supreme wrongdoing cloaked by religion. There is but 162 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: one name for it, hypocrisy. 163 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: So Ida Tarbell starts digging into Standard Oil at the 164 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: dawn of the century. She was a pretty established journalist 165 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: and a biographer at this point. So she said about 166 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: writing what she thought was going to be a biography 167 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: of John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil. And she was 168 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: really determined and dogged in her pursuit of information. She 169 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: would track down these archives of documents and then go 170 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: to pick up a box and find that all the 171 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: documents had been destroyed. But she kept out at and 172 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: she found people inside the company that would talk to her, 173 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: and she did find some documentary evidence eventually too. 174 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: And what she ends up. 175 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: Pulling together with all of that is a nineteen part 176 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: series on Standard Oil and basically how John D. Rockefeller 177 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: had scammed his way into a monopoly. At the time, 178 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: he controlled everything about oil, from drilling to refining, pipelines 179 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: to railroads. 180 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 4: Rockefeller and his associates did not build the Standard Oil 181 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 4: Company in the boardrooms of Wall Street banks. They fought 182 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: their way to control by rebates and drawback, bribe and 183 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 4: blackmailt espionage, and price cutting. 184 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: Rockefeller had put hundreds of hard working independent producers out 185 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: of business. He'd been given an unfair competitive advantage, and 186 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: the public was outraged. 187 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: So was President Theodore Roosevelt. 188 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: By nineteen oh six, the Department of just As filed 189 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: an anti trust claim against Rockefeller. Five years later, the 190 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: US Supreme Court ruled that Standard Oil had in fact 191 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: violated anti trust laws and needed to be broken up. 192 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: And just a few. 193 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: Years after that, Rockefeller's son was in the news, also 194 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: getting bad press, this time at the company's mine in Colorado. 195 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: Mineers out of doors, out from the houses that the 196 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: company own. 197 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: May have heard that very famous Wooden Gustrie song. 198 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: It was written about a massive strike at Rockefeller's coal 199 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: mine in Ludlow, Colorado, in the summer of nineteen thirteen, 200 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: United Mine workers began to organize the eleven thousand coal 201 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: miners employed by the Rockefeller owned Colorado Fuel and Iron Company. Initially, 202 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: workers asked to meet with management to air their grievances 203 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: low pay, long and unregulated hours, and the fact that 204 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: they were only allowed to live and trade in the 205 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: company town. That meant everything they bought was just paying 206 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: money back to the company they were worked for, and 207 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: it gave the company an enormous amount of control over 208 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: their lives, even though those rights had already been legally. 209 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: Granted to workers. 210 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: Management wasn't having it, so a month later, eight thousand 211 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: Colorado mine workers went on strike. Of course, first Rockefeller 212 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: evicted them from their company owned homes, which was the 213 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: entire point of why company towns aren't great for workers 214 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: on strike and homeless. The miners and their families set 215 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: up a tent setting near the mine. By nineteen fourteen, 216 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: about twelve hundred people were living in that camp. It 217 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: was a huge protest, but that wasn't necessarily new at 218 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,479 Speaker 1: this point in history. What made the Ludlow strike infamous 219 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: was what Rockefeller did to bust it. Private security guards 220 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: and the National Guard showed up at the protest camp 221 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: with machine guns. They lit tents on fire and sprayed 222 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: the camp with bullets, killing twenty two protesters, including women 223 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: and children. A riot broke out, including more guns on 224 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: both sides, and by the end of it, more than 225 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: sixty people had died. Wasn't long before every paper was 226 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: painting Rockefeller as the villain. 227 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 2: First the Trust thing. 228 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: And now this he was everything Americans were coming to 229 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: hate about their bosses. In desperate need of some good 230 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: pr Rockefeller hired this guy. 231 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 5: Rockefeller listen to me patiently, pleasantly and calmly until I'd 232 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 5: finished mile Upon presentation. 233 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: IV Ledbetter Lead is widely considered the father of public relations. 234 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: Rockefeller initially hired him to help handle the fallout from 235 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: what journalists including Ida Tarbell, had started calling the Ludlow massacre, 236 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: and Leaded such a good job they wound up working 237 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: together for the rest of his life and his handling 238 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: of Ludlow. The first thing Lee did was create an 239 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: entirely fake story. He claimed the strikers weren't even really workers, 240 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: they were plants from the labor unions. In Lee's story, 241 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: labor organizer Mother Jones had orchestrated the whole thing, and 242 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: for some reason he threw in that Jones was running 243 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: a nearby brothel. She was eighty two at the time, 244 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: so not likely. When he was asked about this story 245 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: decades later, Lee said, quote, what are facts anyway, but 246 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: my interpretation of what happened. Lee's approach worked. He coached 247 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: Rockefeller on how to talk, how to behave in public, 248 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: to make himself likable, how to seem like one of 249 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: the people, even which charitable projects to take on. The 250 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: press never knew what hit him, and when Rockefeller died, 251 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: he was remembered as a kindly philanthropist, a hard working industrialist, 252 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: and a true blue American. Standard Oil's progeny, of course, 253 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: became today's oil giants Exon now Exon Mobil, Conico, Phillips, 254 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: and Chevron. And just like you can draw a straight 255 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: line from Standard Oil to Chevron and Exon Mobile, today 256 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: you can see Ivy Ledbetter Lee's fingerprints all over the 257 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: oil industry's disinformation campaigns. 258 00:14:58,680 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: It's the same. 259 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: Tactic Lee used to rehabilitate Rockefeller's image way back then. 260 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: Fake news crisis actors corporate philanthropy as a PR move, 261 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: all to shift the public's focus away from a company's 262 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: bad behavior, the company that's working to bring affordable, scalable 263 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: carbon capture to industries around the world. So who exactly 264 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: was Ivy led Better Lee, What did he end up 265 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: doing for Rockefeller and Standard Oil in the years following 266 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: the Ludlow massacre, Why did he love Russia so much? 267 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: And what exactly made him so good at propaganda that 268 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: a certain German dictator came calling just a few years later. 269 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: We'll get into all of that and more next time. 270 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: The oil companies, especially Standard Oil and then later on 271 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: through API, were really the beginners and probably the greatest 272 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: institutionalized effort at developing corporate propaganda to support their industry. 273 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: Drilled is part of the Critical Frequency podcast Network. 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