WEBVTT - Taylor Williamson

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<v Speaker 1>The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascal Stand Up Tour continues throughout

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. For a full list of dates and tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>See you out there, the Greig Ferguson show dot com

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<v Speaker 1>slash Tour. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest in people

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<v Speaker 1>about what brings them happiness. Taylor Williamson was the youngest

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<v Speaker 1>ever stand up comedian that I ever had on the

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<v Speaker 1>Old Late Night Show. And yet even although I put

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<v Speaker 1>him on the show, he's still working. Oh he's an

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<v Speaker 1>old man now. I think he's like thirty seven or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's have a chat, okay, So let me just say

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<v Speaker 1>what the thing to you first, which is we're in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, right, yes, right? And I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>my wife on the phone this morning because she's in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, who are you talking to this one?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said Taylor Williams And she went, I tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I I'm like, what do you mean tell him?

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<v Speaker 1>I said I She went, yeah, we're Instagram buddy, your

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram buddies with my wife? Is that okay? I guess yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if it was okay, she wouldn't have said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I heard. But so where did that come about?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think she followed me on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>She thinks you're funny. That's true, I do. I I

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<v Speaker 1>mean so much to me. Oh you are funny. I'm grateful.

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<v Speaker 1>You are great at being being comed Thank you. I wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>I was wanting to me, may have met at your

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<v Speaker 3>house one time I together. I think that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I probably like commented on one of your

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<v Speaker 3>things like ha ha ha, you know, and she said, oh, do.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a lot of airsots digital relationships that uh.

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<v Speaker 3>With people's wives like me?

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<v Speaker 1>A lot? I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's because I think it's offensive. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 3>think people's people feel comfortable with their partners being friends

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<v Speaker 3>with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what, I don't want to insult you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am kind of comfortable with it, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be. But you know what, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird because you know, if it was like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, if she was Instagram friends with like some

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<v Speaker 1>other people Drake, you don't want that. If she was

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram Friends with Drake, I'd be like, what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>are you? Yeah, Instagram friends with Drake for yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But Taylor Williamson, You're like, yeah, stay his house tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay, that's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>He can come over while I'm no here. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So listen. I wanted to talk to you a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about because years ago you were the youngest guy

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<v Speaker 1>ever appeared on my late night show. You know that.

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<v Speaker 3>I put that on my bio. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>that's true, but I think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you were. I don't know if you were

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest person. I mean there was sometimes there was

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<v Speaker 1>babies on this stuff, but not doing stand up. You

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<v Speaker 1>were the youngest stand up I think.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the biggest. It was the biggest thing I ever got.

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<v Speaker 3>It still is one of the most majoro things I

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<v Speaker 3>ever got to do. Trulier like me too. You were

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<v Speaker 3>a poor but you were there. You were the first

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<v Speaker 3>major comedy icond of be like, hey, this guy is

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<v Speaker 3>take a look at this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Really. I thought you did. I thought you did well

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<v Speaker 1>in the I mean the America's goat Town. I was

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<v Speaker 1>eight years later. Oh really Yeah. See Now it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because I ask your wife. She followed me. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, was, what was the first one you did?

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<v Speaker 1>So you think you're phonny? Then was that? Though? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I did last comic standing?

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<v Speaker 3>That was I was, so, no I did?

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't do so you think you can dance? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? I did?

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<v Speaker 3>I did an America's Next Top Top Model, right, and when

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<v Speaker 3>Tyro was hosting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, congratulations, you're still in the running to become America's

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<v Speaker 1>next Top Model. Which I've got to say, much as

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<v Speaker 1>I admire Tira, I think that's a terrible catchphrase. It

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<v Speaker 1>it's wordy. It's a little busy, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>congratulations she was still in the running to become America's

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<v Speaker 1>next Top Models. It's too much? Is that really what

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<v Speaker 1>she said? Yeah, that's the thing. That's the that's the

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<v Speaker 1>bet when if you make it through the elimination round,

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<v Speaker 1>what would be better one? Uh, you ain't dead? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How about like, hey, your face is still good in

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<v Speaker 1>the fresh you're still pretty, You're still pretty? How about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Remember that one woman from the show she married the

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<v Speaker 3>guy from the Brady Bunch.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about this.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to pay attention to show business power.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, man, I've been busy.

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<v Speaker 3>So listen, I did I started staying up in two thousand. No,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute before we go, I'm answering your question. No,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, I want you to answer the question.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you told me about the model that married

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<v Speaker 1>the Brady Bunch, what happened there?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that I could be wrong, but like the

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<v Speaker 3>first winner of the show, she married the middle Brady respectfully,

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<v Speaker 3>Christopher Knight.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh maybe it's a deep cup for me. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not an American? Did you have the bratty American? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse respect you are? You are what America is all about? Pal, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's right. Yeah, listen, Can I tell you how this

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<v Speaker 3>business goes. I'm mins for twenty years and like it's

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<v Speaker 3>up and down, you know, but like I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get my next.

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<v Speaker 1>Big like like big whoa like career thing, you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, And I know a couple of people have been

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<v Speaker 3>canceled recently. Yeah you should killing it. Yeah, you should

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<v Speaker 3>get cancel thriving. It's it's the new thing. You have

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<v Speaker 3>a few months where you're like, oh, people. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 3>should hide it, move to China for a few months,

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<v Speaker 3>just to get away from the world, you know, But

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<v Speaker 3>then like four years later you're selling a Madison Square garden.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it's it's a marginalized cancel that you're after.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be canceled by a certain group of people,

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<v Speaker 1>but you do you want to be celebrated by the

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<v Speaker 1>people who disagree with the people who canceled you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that that's kind of the way you go.

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<v Speaker 1>But society is so fragmented though, Yes, but being canceled

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<v Speaker 1>by one group can actually be a step forward with

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<v Speaker 1>another group. Truly.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember talking to big comedian from an older big comedian,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, why don't you talk about politics?

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<v Speaker 1>Speak out?

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I don't want to split my audience, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fifty to fifty of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But now it's like you could have one for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Comedians who are like, I'm the nurse comedian. If you're not,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know what I'm talking about, your nurse. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>really funny. They sell out big theaters. Well, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of nurses.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think I think what it is as well,

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<v Speaker 1>is that everybody wants to have their own special thing

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<v Speaker 1>that they're that they're upset about. Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm upset about you know, I'm upset about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things. But I never do politics in the act. Never. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but not because I don't want to split the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sick of it. Yeah, I'm sick of hearing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sick of hearing people I agree with like when

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<v Speaker 1>they were when they talk. You know, when I had

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation with Jim Gaffigan a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jim was saying, we were talking about how because

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<v Speaker 1>he works clean, right, and he doesn't cuss in his

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<v Speaker 1>act and stuff, and you like that too, Actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I'm I think, I'm I think I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>I started cursing a little bit, but yeah, I happen

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<v Speaker 3>to work clean.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So I was talking to Jim about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Jem I've known for a long time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he cusses the way people do, you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>and other times. He's not a big cusser, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>not a kind of Oh you've never heard Gym swear? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But I said, so, why don't you swear in the

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<v Speaker 1>act if it's you know, and he said, he said

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<v Speaker 1>it was a stylistic choice. It was a stylistic choice,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to see if I could do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I went, okay, well that makes sense somehow

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like, oh yeah, of course. And I made

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<v Speaker 1>that same choice with politics. I'm like, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to do any I'm not even gonna mention those guys

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<v Speaker 1>by name. I'm not even going to admit that politics exists.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found that I enjoy doing the standout more

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't not because of anything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the audience, just because I don't want to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's boring. And if you don't want to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>then you should.

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<v Speaker 3>As an audience member. I feel the same way as you.

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<v Speaker 3>Is like, even when I agree with you, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to hear about this because it makes me sad

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<v Speaker 3>and like, but the one of the things that makes

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<v Speaker 3>me want to start cursing one on stage, yeh, is

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<v Speaker 3>I get like low key rage if someone says to me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my favorite thing about your comedy is your clean.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that would make me angry too, if I like.

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<v Speaker 3>What, like, I will fight you my mom's friends, my

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<v Speaker 3>mom's friend at this at this funeral, I will fight you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Maybe not the best place. No, it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>way to do it. Yeah, but you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>because when people say, people who have no sense of

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<v Speaker 1>humor or do I understand stand up comedy will sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>say good comedian doesn't have to swear. Good comedian doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to cuss, you know, and I go, well, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Pryor was a pretty good comedian. Yeah, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's it. It's language, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And if you work with the language,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you decide not to use that, then that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you do, then you do. It's just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've heard any views with great comics who I admire,

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone has their own point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the answer to the story.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, yeah, it's lazy to curse, and I used

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<v Speaker 3>to think that, but then I have a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>jokes now where I curse, and I'm like, it's not lazy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the word that's necessary for this joke to work.

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<v Speaker 3>And also lazy gets a bad drap. Lazy is actually

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<v Speaker 3>an okay thing. We got to stop, yes, stop shaming

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<v Speaker 3>people for being lazy. I know some lazy people who

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<v Speaker 3>were awesome. I think COVID made it okay to be late.

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<v Speaker 3>We were told please be lazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just relaxed. You stay home, don't go out

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<v Speaker 1>there spreading the bug. Just stay home. Now. Listen. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me I did ask you at the beginning, but you

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<v Speaker 1>getting started, and it was you started. You didn't start

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<v Speaker 1>on an America stop model.

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<v Speaker 3>I started on your show. Basically, that was the.

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<v Speaker 1>Very first thing. So how come you go on my show?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I thought somebody had seen you on a like

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<v Speaker 1>the booker, I had seen you.

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<v Speaker 3>She saw my tape. I did just for laughs festival.

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<v Speaker 3>I got stuff early on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I started just for laughs in America, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada. In Canada, yeah, but they sold it in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, because I was, you know, but no, no

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about you. It's not about me. So you

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<v Speaker 1>were you like you were just for laughs festival.

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<v Speaker 3>I started saying when I was seventeen, so.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a kid's festival. Babies.

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<v Speaker 3>I try to do like I tried and looking the

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<v Speaker 3>kid thing, I was like, put me on a Disney

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<v Speaker 3>Channel show. And I got a manager when I was young,

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<v Speaker 3>and he wouldn't let me do any of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I'm kind of bitter, butrobably would have done

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<v Speaker 3>drugs and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you would have. Yeah, I mean that's a

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<v Speaker 1>but I wouldn't let my kids. I got the Disney

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<v Speaker 1>Jon watch Disney, No listen. I I'm to be fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked a lot for the Disney organization over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've always been very nice to me. So I

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<v Speaker 1>can't buy met them but my kids every time when

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<v Speaker 1>my kids were young. Why this is not about me.

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<v Speaker 3>I care about your family, but then for my friends,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, so it's basically my family.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your family, all right. So you weren't on, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>saw you on just for laughs.

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<v Speaker 3>Left, then booked my show and they had this new

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<v Speaker 3>Faces showcase where they like the new breed of comedians

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<v Speaker 3>of my my generator. My year was Adam Devine and

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<v Speaker 3>Nikki Glazer and uh Hannibal and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great year. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there's uh, there's a whole bunch of people and

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<v Speaker 3>uh and then Reggie Watts was one of them. Is

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<v Speaker 3>a funny group of people. And then like six months later,

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<v Speaker 3>I got to do your show is February fourteenth, two

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<v Speaker 3>thousandspen was my first time, and I was terrified. That

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<v Speaker 3>was like when I see you, it's kind of triggering. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a gnarly you get triggered. Oh yeah, you're scared.

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<v Speaker 3>You're scared of the big bad man. Put you're on

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<v Speaker 3>the TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so scared.

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<v Speaker 3>It's terrifying, and like, yeah, it was scary at first.

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<v Speaker 1>Stand up should be scary at first.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know when I tell young people now, if

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<v Speaker 3>someone told us to me and just passing long wisdom,

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<v Speaker 3>like I came up with it. But like when you

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<v Speaker 3>have nerves, that means you care sure and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>good thing. Like when you lose that, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>sad a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't I don't have anymore. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get nervous about this.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no theories, you're killing my theory.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I you know lesson I used to physically I

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<v Speaker 1>threw up before it show. I was so nervous. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's terrifying, but I think you know you do it

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<v Speaker 1>often enough. Look, I say this to audiences now as

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<v Speaker 1>well when I go out. Look, I've been doing this

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. I've made a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>of won some awards have been very successful. So so

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<v Speaker 1>if tonight, if this show sucks, it's it's it's you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not me, because I've proved myself here, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be you. So's see how you do? How

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<v Speaker 1>you how long you've been an audience five minutes you

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know what you're doing? Yeah, that's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that I get a sense of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you get this, but right now and

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<v Speaker 1>I will stop talking about me and a minute. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know I do today, but I got a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of when I go on stage now it's where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>meant to be. I got an absolute sense of peace,

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<v Speaker 1>like I can do this. I know this. This is

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<v Speaker 1>my world. And there's a lot of things I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to do, but this I know how to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think very similar to that in this in this business,

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<v Speaker 3>in life that's full of rejection and you're just self

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<v Speaker 3>doubt and its internal doubt and external doubt upon me.

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<v Speaker 3>And my biggest source of validation for what I'm doing

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<v Speaker 3>with my life is when I go on stage and

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<v Speaker 3>I go, Okay, you know what I got?

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<v Speaker 1>I got this figured out?

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, and I'm most I'm more comfortable there than

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<v Speaker 3>I am in other places, which is a bizarre thing

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<v Speaker 3>to do, but it's a thing I've worked.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I just don't really understand it. So, but you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be in stand up from being a very

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<v Speaker 1>young kid. I mean it's like, to me, stand up

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like being a realtor. It's it's an

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<v Speaker 1>okay job and you get your picture on a bus

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<v Speaker 1>stop stuff, but nobody wants to really. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>you do something because you fail to other stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's not for you. You really wanted to do it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like porn and real estate and stand up comedy

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<v Speaker 3>as you back up plan others.

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed that when when actors got canceled, when people

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<v Speaker 1>were getting canceled all the time, like actors, if they

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<v Speaker 1>got canceled, they don't start doing stand up like it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay to be a pair of stand up comedian. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like okay, yeah, I kind of like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and they're taking my jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's there's room for everybody. But so one I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get is do you have a very bad

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with your parents?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it comes down to mommy issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Mom. Yeah, that's what Megan, my wife, who you know

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<v Speaker 1>very well, says. She says, it's all about let me

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<v Speaker 1>just turn my everyone else sorry, because she'd probably call me.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll call me to tuma. Yeah as well. She Megan

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<v Speaker 1>says that all stand ups are the same. Mom. I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to a bunch of stand ups about this cold

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<v Speaker 1>with bad boundaries. That's what she says.

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<v Speaker 3>I love my mom and we've been through a lot

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<v Speaker 3>and we're we're in a good, healthy place now, but

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<v Speaker 3>we have had a lot of stuff, and she has

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff from her mom. And it's a

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<v Speaker 3>nice generational trauma that's passed down as a tradition in

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<v Speaker 3>my family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know what's funny about it. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood party once a famous actor guy and his kid

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<v Speaker 1>came over. The mom brought the kid over and he

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<v Speaker 1>was about thirteen. She went, this is our son. He

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<v Speaker 1>really wants to be a stand up comedian. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a terrible mother. Terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't encourage that, I know, but my mom is

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<v Speaker 3>part of my trigger for seeing you is because I

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<v Speaker 3>was twenty doing Latelateshit and I'm trying to be a

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<v Speaker 3>good person. So I hear the all the stories you got.

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<v Speaker 3>You bring your mom. You got to bring your mom,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, so I invited my mom from San Diego

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<v Speaker 3>to come up. And but we don't have like we

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have like a close we had a lot of stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And but she came and she rides you sent like

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<v Speaker 3>a nice car to come pick me up.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got with you, Taylor. I didn't personally say.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you don't ily don't do it, but yes,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just take credit. Yeah, and then, uh, you drove,

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<v Speaker 3>you were not driving.

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving. That's when I used to wear the

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<v Speaker 1>little show for uniform Welcome to the Lately, Drive Yet

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<v Speaker 1>full Serves?

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking this three Stages episode where he goes

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<v Speaker 3>full serves fully service.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever read fuel Service by Scottie Bauers. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, I'll tell you about that a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So, so my mom came and then she

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't it's silly talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Right? Yeah, really I can't remember what was

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<v Speaker 1>it you say. It'd be weird if you remember.

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<v Speaker 3>My cue card was there's all jokes in context making

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<v Speaker 3>fun of people for using these words. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>still proud of what it was. You know, are you

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<v Speaker 3>scared to say the worst? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Well I said that they said gay. Okay, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's an okay word, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Making for people say gay. But then I then our

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<v Speaker 3>word whatever that is?

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<v Speaker 1>You now they are right?

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<v Speaker 3>That was the punchline, making fun of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these kids everything call everything gay, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but the way.

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<v Speaker 1>They talk, it's so all right, right right, right, comedy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get the hall away from this. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>shoo to move on.

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<v Speaker 3>And then uh, horror I talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Like poor, I think horror is fine. Is a word

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<v Speaker 1>I call myself a horror all the time. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those words that, yeah, it depends on how you

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<v Speaker 1>use it and where you use context.

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<v Speaker 3>But just financial these words on TV. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>did show six months later and they wouldn't let me

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<v Speaker 3>say anything because don I miss happened in between and

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<v Speaker 3>there's a whole big difference. But anyways, but like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a good person, but so so my mom sents a fact.

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<v Speaker 3>The next day she sent a fax to my manager.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just two thousand and seven, the facts. My mom

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<v Speaker 3>sent a fax to my man. It was after faxes

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<v Speaker 3>were not seeing you still had factes on your website,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're like, who does this? Yeah, she sent a

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<v Speaker 3>fact She wrote a letter to him saying, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>so much for taking care of my son's career. He

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<v Speaker 3>speaks so highly of you. I never told her anything

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<v Speaker 3>about this is all like made up in here, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then here's some things that could help him out.

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<v Speaker 3>Please take him somewhere to get a nice haircut.

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<v Speaker 1>Please.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a great singing voice and maybe that's something

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<v Speaker 3>you can use. And also he held the microphone over

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<v Speaker 3>his face the entire time. Please train him to not

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<v Speaker 3>do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just like boundary, See.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, tick with the bad boundaries right there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny. I talked to you know, Lewis Black. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course he's great coming And I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>him about his mom and I said that thing about

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<v Speaker 1>cold with bad boundaries, the Megan theory, and he went,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, because his mom had died about six

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<v Speaker 1>months previously at the age one hundred and four. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said, you know, I think the first time we

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<v Speaker 1>looked at each other in the eye was underneath. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why he's a good comic.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, but I don't know if it's true for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just true for male stand ups. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe for female stand ups it's with their daughter or

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<v Speaker 1>there more. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting here, like Seinfeld gets really like offended. It's brought

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<v Speaker 3>up to him, like, so do you think comedians come

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<v Speaker 3>from UH traumas or impoverished backgrounds or not enough neglect

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<v Speaker 3>or not enough attention from their parents whatever. He's just like,

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<v Speaker 3>I like making people laugh. I'm like, can you just

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<v Speaker 3>be the guy who likes making people laugh and just

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<v Speaker 3>know that everyone else you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can do that? I think that's a fair argument. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I just like making people laugh. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Lano about it, he's like that too. I

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<v Speaker 1>just hate it. But then at the same time, if

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<v Speaker 1>you dig deeper with Jay because I love j you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's my guy, but you dig deeper with him, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like he doesn't eat hot liquids. Yeah, and his and

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<v Speaker 1>he's a very against any form of diet, so soup

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<v Speaker 1>is like makes him angry, and if soup makes you angry,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a normal person. And also his mom was

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<v Speaker 1>Scottish and if your mom's Scottish, You're not a more

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<v Speaker 1>normal person Donald Trump's mother Scottish. Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 3>That.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always got sympathy for him. I know what it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other thing, like Jaylaen not respect the hell

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<v Speaker 3>out of him. But I remember him saying, don't say crap.

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<v Speaker 3>I was, so, what's the word? I was like a

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<v Speaker 3>sponge for like people like great comics saying these are

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<v Speaker 3>the rules of comedy. Like I listened to all these

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<v Speaker 3>interviews like the Deep Cuts and like JNS just don't

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<v Speaker 3>say crap.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Then then recently heard him say he hasn't had a

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<v Speaker 3>vegetable in forty years. Yeah, And I'm like, wait, I

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't take advice from this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you shouldn't. Like that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, you're gonna be a little selective about what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing because you know, there are people who I

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<v Speaker 2>really respect what they do as comedians, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't let them look after my dog or like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascals stand up to He continues

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the United States in twenty twenty four. For a

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<v Speaker 1>full list of dates and tickets, go to the Craig

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<v Speaker 1>Ferguson show dot com slash tour. So you are there

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<v Speaker 1>if you still got your little dog. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny dog. I love that. You know that. Yeah, Betty right.

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<v Speaker 3>This is honestly the greatest thing that can ever happen

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<v Speaker 3>that you say my dog's name. No, stop, this is

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<v Speaker 3>I thought about bringing her here, but I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>what the vibe was.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you would be not the first person in Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>have turned up here with a little dog for your podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh happens.

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<v Speaker 3>I became that guy during COVID I got a tiny dog,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm that guy that brings a tiny dog.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Gaby Glazier, He's got little dogs all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place. Yeah, he's a sweet man. You ever worked

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<v Speaker 1>with him?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I just hear the most wonderful thing about what.

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<v Speaker 1>A terrific dude. Yeah, I mean just just lovely. But

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<v Speaker 1>again with a.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird mom though, I got to say weird mom's Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a thought on all the I don't know anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll tell you then. All right, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the stand up. Yeah, and I watched a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched all of it. I'll be honest with

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<v Speaker 1>you of the stand up special that you did at

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<v Speaker 1>the Comedy sort of recently. Oh, thank you for taking

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<v Speaker 1>a look. It took a look. That's you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>sensibility of it. If you, I hope you don't mind

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<v Speaker 1>me say so. It feels very late nighty. It feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a kind of hey, welcome to my thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the track and show and the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>club and all that like is know, it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>a late night show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you were going for.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's going for old school kind of vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it definitely vibed like that. Yeah, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Taylor Williams and Live at the Comedy stor Its

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<v Speaker 3>on YouTube for free, and I'd love it that people

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<v Speaker 3>take a look and it happens to be clean, if

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<v Speaker 3>anyone cares about that. But my best jokes I've ever told,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the most important, my best standing.

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<v Speaker 1>I should you should have called the special the best

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<v Speaker 1>jokes I've ever told.

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<v Speaker 3>I think maybe I should have. I could change it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I it's funny, like this business full of rejection,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to sell sh and trying to get people to

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<v Speaker 3>believe in me whatever, and like, and I see a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of like scummy scumbag comedians are blowing up right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what people want. And I forgot who said

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<v Speaker 3>this to me. It was just the great simplest advice

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<v Speaker 3>or just like thought, like I couldn't beat one of

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<v Speaker 3>these filthy guys and that does whatever on stage if

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to. It's just that it's not I'd bomb

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<v Speaker 3>would authentic for you. Well, I can just be me right,

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<v Speaker 3>And I had this joy for like old school kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like like I'm Jewish but like I guess low

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<v Speaker 3>kind of self effaced a little bit self deprecating Jewish humor.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, and that's who I am. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know there are in the industry. It's not happening a

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<v Speaker 3>lot anymore. But all I can do is be me

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<v Speaker 3>at one hundred percent. And I'm more proud of it

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<v Speaker 3>myself as an artist than I've ever been. So I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna keep putting this out there, and it's not

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<v Speaker 3>what everyone wants, but it's what I do and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>really good at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, no, I think that that that's

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<v Speaker 1>the only way the mental health. I mean, look, I

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<v Speaker 1>if you When I first came in Hollywood, they every

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<v Speaker 1>every single casting director, every single person I met, said

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<v Speaker 1>can you do can you drop the accent for a role?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, uh why, They're like, because then

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<v Speaker 1>we can put you up for stuff. We're putting other

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<v Speaker 1>people up for it, and I'm like, yeah, but but

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<v Speaker 1>there's you know, I mean, only one of all of

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<v Speaker 1>these people is getting that job, And why the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>would i want to put myself in a pool where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already you know, on the back foot. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>too I fucking am right. And occasionally I would, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I met who uh Drew Carey and Bruce helf would

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<v Speaker 1>actually who were like, they said, just can you do

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<v Speaker 1>an English accent? I went yes, of cool, Like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>just do that. But it is an odd thing that

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<v Speaker 1>people want you to be something else. But but really

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing you can do properly is for a

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<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy. I think you have to be yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for any artists or people trying to do

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<v Speaker 3>things like I was always told you're too this is

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<v Speaker 3>the feedback off from industry, you're too alternative. Then I

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<v Speaker 3>told your two mainstream like a joke like those are

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<v Speaker 3>the things I was told you now and then like

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<v Speaker 3>a last comic standing. The way they cast it was

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 3>they did very bizarre, like it was clearly cast before.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's like two rounds and then the top ten, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was before voting, so it was just casting

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:31.239
<v Speaker 3>producers casting, and the semi finals. There's forty of us

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<v Speaker 3>and there's two tapings where they pick two tapes of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty people and they picked.

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<v Speaker 1>Five of each. This is a math problem, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>But the first episode, the first taping, they picked five already,

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<v Speaker 3>so we're already they're the casting, so they're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to have ten people who are this similar. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>but I wore a hoodie during my thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's very you were like in the the white

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<v Speaker 1>stripes or something.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh no, but I I remember me and

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<v Speaker 3>fortunate with the ones who are like stand outs on

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<v Speaker 3>that show, right, they didn't get put through and they

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<v Speaker 3>told me some yeah, we already had two alternative guys

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<v Speaker 3>in the first round, so we didn't put you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what is this. We've already go to Scottish guys,

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<v Speaker 1>so now have you.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you had that happen like I would imagine I.

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<v Speaker 1>Failed the audition when I came here to read the

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<v Speaker 1>audiobook of the movie Braveheart, and the casting director said,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't feel your accent is authentic in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the casting session, Like, I don't know what the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you. I'm sorry. Yeah, And now Scottish people

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<v Speaker 1>get mad at me because they say that I sound

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<v Speaker 1>like an America Like I've put on an American accent

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<v Speaker 1>to be successful in America, And I'm like, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>be honest with you fuckers. Just being able to dampen

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<v Speaker 1>your Scottish accent isn't enough to make you do well

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<v Speaker 1>in America. You have to do a wee bit more

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<v Speaker 1>than that. But you know, I don't know where are

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 1>you from originally San Diego. I'm from San Diego. You

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<v Speaker 1>ever go there? Yeah, you know, I have been there

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times. Yeah, about a boat there?

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<v Speaker 3>Once you bought a boat in San Diego? Did you

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<v Speaker 3>leave it there? No? I sailed it around a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit and then I seld it around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I sailed a boat around the world. I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a boat. Yeah, you don't have a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>And you lived in San Diego? What the hell did

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<v Speaker 1>you do?

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<v Speaker 3>I heard the smart rich people move respectfully. Yeah, is

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<v Speaker 3>you borrow other people's boats? And Jed, I say, I

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<v Speaker 3>still own a boat. I was gonna ask to borrow

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<v Speaker 3>your boat, but yeah, you can't. I don't have a

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<v Speaker 3>boat anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you sell it to? Oh? I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a realtor rectly, I think a real a.

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<v Speaker 3>Failed stand up who became a realtor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he failed it stand up became a realtor or.

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<v Speaker 1>He succeeded being a realtor, so he didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be a standup. So you come up in San Diego

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<v Speaker 1>and like, were you good at school? Were you?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Right, okay, my.

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<v Speaker 3>Essat score was so bad that like, I don't it

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 3>was like it was so I was really good at English,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>At That's about it. I think, you know, well, that

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<v Speaker 1>would make sense. Language would be attractive to you if

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<v Speaker 1>you were drawing a stand up? How did you get

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<v Speaker 1>how did you get tried to the stand up? Who

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<v Speaker 1>did you watch when you were a kid?

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't a fan of stand up when I was little.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just this dumb sibling rival everything. My brother

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<v Speaker 3>would listen to like Adam Sandler albums and like and uh,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was who I should have loved. I loved later,

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<v Speaker 3>but I want to be the opposite of him, So

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I was like, to annoy your brother just for my

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 3>own dumb ego. I remember being like, I don't like

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<v Speaker 3>music because he likes music.

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<v Speaker 1>I still got lot with my brother. My brother's sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five years old, I still like, yeah, I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, I didn't listen to led Zeppelin because he

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 1>liked led Zebbe oh for sure, which is crazy because

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>led Zevlin and here a great bad Yeah. I brother

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<v Speaker 1>would listen to Nirvana.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, oh, you know, but then yeah, but

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<v Speaker 3>like I have a little bit of what Jay has

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 3>for soup and stuff. You know, it's you, but it's

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 3>but I fixed. It was like twenty five, you know.

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 3>But I was like, I don't like these things because whatever.

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Then I tried the message. I'm like, oh, this is

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.239
<v Speaker 3>actually pretty good he had. Oh here's my theory. Can

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I share my theory on that stuff? I ain't going anywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't anymore. But I think you get I

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 3>don't know, this is his thing. I don't, but like

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people get stunted, you know, child stars,

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:09.879
<v Speaker 3>they say that the age that they become famous is

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 3>the age of their majority. I've seen I think for men,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe comedians or people i've met, the age where they

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<v Speaker 3>become really famous, it's kind of like the age where

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 3>they go, I don't have to wear a suit when

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 3>I go on a late night show, you know, or

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to change diapers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm I'm you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's kind of that like if you were

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 3>like famous the fifty you're still going to change diapers

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 3>for your kid or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't, you don't have make kids, don't Yeah,

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't change diapers. Yeah, because if you just like,

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>if you're going to run change diapers and people are

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>like asking you or is not your kids? There's your

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>cancel right there. That Oh that's pretty good. Yeah. Oh yeah.

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Did you hear Taylor was like changing kids diapers? That's

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of that's too, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, but like so I got into comedy in

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 3>the bizarre way because I was watching I'm pro wrestling

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. Okay, I was really in the prog wrestling

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 3>and I hear the laughter there, lack of respect I

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 3>hear from you, No.

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Not at all. I'm just I was what I was

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>laughing at. It was the transition from pro wrestling to

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy. I don't see it, so I'm looking

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>forward to. So it's a laughter of anticipation. We're rowdy ready, Piper, Well,

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>we don't all know each other. Plus he was Canadian, but.

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 3>He but he must have been part of IM sure, yeah,

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 3>most Canadians of that generation. So uh but Andy co

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 3>I watched this documentary and Andy Kaufman on Comedy Central.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and like that was the first me thinking like, oh,

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 3>comedy that's cool, you know. Yeah, And then I listened

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 3>Jeff Foxworthy in like seventh grade. I thought that was

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 3>really cool. Folks Worthy is a great comic and he

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 3>was great, so great. And also like for a kid,

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 3>he's quotable. Yeah, Like I could go to school and

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 3>be like, hey, you might be a rightneck if there's

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 3>some kids laughing, they think I'm funny. Yeah, like that

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 3>was always loved jokes you can quot because I can't

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 3>remember a street joke that saved my life.

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm bout at you. I have one joke that

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I tell in the act. The rest of it's just bullshit.

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but do you remember like street jokes, like from

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<v Speaker 3>back in the day, like a street joke or like

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<v Speaker 3>what do you call like a joke that like like

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<v Speaker 3>I do like Jewish benefits sometimes and there's always something

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 3>like old Jewish guys like, hey, want to hear a joke?

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>And I was standing there for like seven years. They

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:23.479
<v Speaker 1>tell you the joke and there's one laugh movie at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it. It's like, I don't get that

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>joke structure that is told by people who say you

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>want to hear a joke, and then a long story,

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<v Speaker 1>then nothing funny happens and at the end a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of funny thing maybe happens, or maybe just a shit

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>thing happens.

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<v Speaker 3>And especially these like private events, you try to be

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<v Speaker 3>extra extra polite, you know, because you're getting paid to

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 3>hang out kind of and then like she's start like

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 3>polite laughing halfway through, but you think that's the punchline,

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 3>and it's no.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, you have to keep going. Hey, I was

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>wondering why I hadn't done a little of Jewish events recently,

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>so you're doing them all. I'm listening. I'm going for it.

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Do you get those things? I've done a few of them. Yeah,

0:30:58.320 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>how do you?

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 3>How do you get that? That's like Roddy Piper being Scottish.

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. I

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>just that kind of ended up doing a couple of

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>things I did. I did once. The I was the

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>comic relief at the Holocaust Memorial Dinner. Oh that sounds fine.

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>You know it's a much coveted spot. It's not an

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<v Speaker 1>easy gig, I'll tell you. Wow. Yeah it was. It

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>was pretty hard. That's wild. Yeah. But if you got

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>asked to do it, you can't say no, can you?

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>You can't say no, I'm not going to do it. No.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an honor too. But and I'm sure it pays

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<v Speaker 3>something nice.

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 1>No, there's no money in it.

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 3>You did it for free. Yeah, wow, you're a real

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 3>friend of the Jews. Stop it shalone?

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>You do you?

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 3>What what joke do you say to transition?

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember how I did it. I think I

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It was it was bad because it

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>was really kind of a very tough video played beforehand,

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>and then I had to go out. I think what

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I said was, well, I'm the guy who won the

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 1>most coveted spot in show business, the relief, and I

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>think I started with that and then we we uh,

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, I got through it. It was it was tough.

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>What's the toughest gig you've done?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've done. I mean, I remember opening This is

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 3>not the toughest, but I remember opening for doing a

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 3>show of Sorority at cal State Northridge. And then they go,

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 3>one of our sorority sisters died last night in a

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 3>car accident, so we just want to make sure that

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 3>you know that I.

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Don't have any jokes about that that happened, and went

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 1>ahead with the event.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then oh, I've done a whole bunch of

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 3>terrible things, Like I remember did a show out at

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 3>college and the lights didn't work and they're like, yeah,

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 3>so we're not I was like, ice, get my paycheck.

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 3>This is great, and they're like, no, no, no, you

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 3>we'll have you come back another time. I'm not plying

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 3>back to Florida. I mean, I did me the money.

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 3>They're like, well, we can do the show on the

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 3>sidewalk if you weren't, And I was like Okay, I guess,

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 3>so that's on the sidewalk. And and uh so when

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 3>the kids all six crisscross apple sauce.

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what that is?

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And then it was little kids. Oh they're

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 3>like twenty you know, okay, and then they sit in

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 3>the grass and then but they're cicadas. And so every

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 3>time I told her joke, it just handed like crickets chirping,

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 3>like I'm bombing.

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>For an hour. You know, you did an hour of

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>sight to crickets. Yeah. Oh man, well you ran your stripes.

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>That's good, you know. Yeah, you go to bomb. No,

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>you have to. It's a real thing because if you're

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>a stand up and you don't bomb, then a certain

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>point you're going to find out you're not a stand up. Yeah,

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>because only stand ups will walk through that fire. Only

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>only a real stand up will go on a stage

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>bomb completely, come off the stage and go, well, better

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>do that again.

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, it is on it. It is terribly unhealthy.

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Like I analyze it all the time. I'm like, it's

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 3>like touching a hot the whole business in general. It's

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 3>like for me, it's like touching a hot stove and

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 3>I burned myself four hundred and ninety nine out of

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 3>five hundred times. But then the five hundred times ice

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 3>cream comes out right, and I'm like, oh, I should

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 3>try that again, you know, like.

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Are you? Are you in therapy now? You guys?

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:16.439
<v Speaker 3>I just signed up for therapy, did Yeah? And hr

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 3>you know I'm thirty seven. Yeah, and I should have

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:20.439
<v Speaker 3>studied it twenty years ago.

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's like

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't study the Kabbala until you're forty. I think,

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>is that when you started? That's when you start? Yeah?

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>You you and you don't I think psychotherapy is you know,

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm very valuable. I've gone through tons of it, but

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get much of early on. Mindui, I was

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>a black hair drummer and I nearly died, So maybe

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't got to it early on. I don't know.

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever feel the call of the chemicals and

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.280
<v Speaker 1>the and that kind of lifestyle, the booze and the.

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 3>No I was one of those guys who I didn't

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 3>even I've never smoked a cigarette and I didn't even

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 3>drink alcohol like a sip until I was like thirty two.

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>What did you think when you first writed it. I

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>don't get it. Why fuck you?

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, well can't say who was always nice to me

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 3>about it is people who were like sober in the

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 3>program respectfully you know, I've been sober thirty two years

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 3>with respect amazing, bless you. And my first you know,

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 3>my first joke on Craig Ferguson show, I was like,

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like, also, I was like, he has to

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:21.800
<v Speaker 3>say I'm twenty years old. Like that was my intro.

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I had you have to say he's twenty, so then

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 3>my or my joke doesn't work, you know. So then

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 3>I walked on stage and my opener was, it's kind

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 3>of hard for me to talk about, but I'm gonna

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 3>let you guys know that I've been cleaning sober now

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 3>for twenty years. And then I make a joke how

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.879
<v Speaker 3>people are like mean to me, and then but yeah,

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I say he's twenty yeah you

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 3>set me up? Yeah yeah yeah, and and and I

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 3>remember stop doing the joke, and someone's like, what if

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 3>you're like when you're forty, you're gonna have people still

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 3>saying like you have to you know, when you.

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Start out, you think tell the jokes forever, you know,

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>you wish that that was something I'm envious ofly. I

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>remember talking to Rickles about that. Do you ever meet Reckles?

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I got to be him once. It's so special. Oh

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.359
<v Speaker 1>my god, what a what a guy. But he did

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 1>basically the same act for about forty years. Yeah. I

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.839
<v Speaker 1>was so jealous because you know, you can't do that. No, yeah,

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean if you do an act for two years,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:16.879
<v Speaker 1>you're pushing it.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:18.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you at least won't get the respect of your

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 3>peers for sure. Oh no, it's I don't. It's weird.

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 3>I like the Chris Rock model, which is you wait

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 3>till you have your great act. You live your life,

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 3>you take some time off from stand up, you live

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 3>your life, and then you have a killer special. It's

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 3>a special, and you put out your special every six

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 3>years maybe or whatever. There's no time limit, you know, right,

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 3>And then I remember there's this document there's special on

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 3>HBO's like Luis cy K and Seinfeld and Chris Rock

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 3>and Ricky Gervase and discussing like are.

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:46.919
<v Speaker 1>They coming to see you? Are they coming to see

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 1>the act?

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 3>And then everyone just thinks each other is crazy because

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 3>Seinfeld did the same act forever and uh right or

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 3>he used to at least, and like the greatest are

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:57.959
<v Speaker 3>they come to see? Greatest hits? Are they coming to see?

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it depends on who you are, says I think

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 1>if you're playing, like, what's the biggest gig you've done?

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 3>Probably I'm guessing Radio City Musical for America's Got Talent

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 3>is like, yeah, of course there's like ninety seconds, right, but.

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>It's still cunts. It's a big gig. It's six thousand

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>and six, I've played it. So you did your own show,

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and yeah I did. But that's the thing though, I

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>mean you, I what I quite admire about you is

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 1>that you went at these comedy competition shows where I

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I would have done that. I don't

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>know if I if I could have done that, I

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>think I think I would have felt I don't know

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>if I would have been able to manufacture a stand

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>up in that environment. I'd have felt frightened or not frightened.

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>But what was it? I just didn't didn't feel it

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>was conducive to to stand up. But you made it work.

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I've seen you do it. Yeah.

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 3>By today, I don't think I could. I was just

0:37:54.480 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 3>desperate as right. A curse on the show. No, I

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 3>was desperate, as frick buddy, No you can, I was

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 3>fucking desperate.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like I was.

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 3>I was ten years in and my career was like

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 3>I was about to I never had to have a

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 3>day job, like I was really lucky. I was able

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 3>to live in Squalor. I was always my ego. I'm

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 3>professional comedian.

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Right I live.

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 3>I live with twelve people, and I can't afford more

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 3>than peanut butter stand, which is a professional comedian. I

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 3>should have had a day job, but then I was

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 3>broke and and my jokes were proved for Conan, and

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 3>there was like a year of just like waiting to

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 3>get on. Yeah, and like it, it's funny. If I

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 3>had gotten on that, I wouldn't have done America's Got Talent.

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 3>But I don't think I think I would have still

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:36.840
<v Speaker 3>had a good day job, you know, like it just

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 3>didn't change your life like it used to.

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't think it did. I mean I

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>remember booking comedians on late night and when I was

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>doing it, and they it even then watching them dot.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I could do that. I don't know.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you can come out and just

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 1>like in the space of five ten minutes, get them

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 1>on your side. It's I guess, I guess you do.

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess I've done it.

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.280
<v Speaker 3>My stand up is like quick jokes. I always wrote,

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 3>I never I wish. I always wanted to do Late

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.959
<v Speaker 3>Night all the time for whatever reason, like the Gatekeeper

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Bookers never wanted me.

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>I did late Still a thing? Stand up in late night?

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Is it?

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do. I never watched Late Night before

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I did it. I never watched I was doing it,

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and I don't watch it, so I don't really It's

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I have a weird disconnect understood.

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like I think Jimmy Fallon is the only one

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 3>to even seth Myers and Jimmy Fallen are the only

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 3>one ones to do really like yeah, but I did

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 3>your show twice in two thousand and seven, right and

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 3>then like Nick Cannon asked me to do his talk

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 3>daytime talk show like two years ago. I haven't done

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 3>stand up on a talk show before after and all

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:45.399
<v Speaker 3>I did was write clean, quick jokes. But for whatever reason,

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:47.720
<v Speaker 3>I submitted like fifty five times. I was always told.

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>You, this is broadcast television even a thing? I mean?

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 1>And Instagram like TikTok.

0:39:54.920 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the gatekeepers now are comedians in the algorithm.

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 1>The algorithm. Yeah, it's a nightmare that that's kind of

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>creepy though, isn't it. Yeah? But I talked to a

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>guy at YouTube.

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 3>This is this really kind guy who just cares about

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 3>comedians and wants to help. And he happens to be

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<v Speaker 3>an executive at YouTube and I and I talked to him.

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 3>I was like putting on the special, like what can

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 3>we do here, buddy? You know, like you like me,

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 3>I like you people to put a little finger on

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 3>the on the scale, you know. Yeah, And he's like,

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't that doesn't happen and uh and uh. He

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 3>says that the algorithm is he really is his perspective

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 3>is it really is fair?

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>It really?

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't experience this, but his experiences. It gives people

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 3>what they want. They couldn't guess. People want to watch

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 3>watch unboxing videos, you know. That's a big thing, is

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 3>people opening with packages of videos and ASMR is like,

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 3>who have thought people would love just woman whispering and

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 3>clicking things? So, you know, and but the algorithm sends

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 3>people what do they want?

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<v Speaker 1>And see, I don't know if it's good for you

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 1>to get what you want all the time. I think,

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I agree. I I mean I I had instant I

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>have professionally, I have Instagram, and of course it's me

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>on it all the time. I never I have either

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 1>there's a company I pay them. Yeah, don't even that's

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>healthy because I went on it. And then when that

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 1>little search engine, like the little magnifying glass, yeah, you

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 1>start scrolling through, that's that. Shit's crazy. It's like you get,

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, a war atrocity, kitten playing with a ball

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 1>of wool. Someone uh, tightrope walking, volcano explode, that's Pandora's box. Man.

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Human brain isn't built for that. It's crazy.

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 3>The only things I try to like now, or like

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 3>if my friends have something happening, like a career thing,

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 3>or if it's two animals from different species snuggling each other.

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, see that can't come no familiar. But but like.

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, like a little cat, like riding a turtle,

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, or like a monkey, a chimpanzee, respectfully, like

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 3>holding like a puppy.

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, why did you see chimpanzee? And then

0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>respectfully to me, like the hell is that meant to me? No?

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Just I wanted to use the right term, like it

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.320
<v Speaker 3>might not be a monkey, you know, in case they're listening.

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh you mean like it could be a gorilla and no,

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>a chimpanzee. Right, I believe it was.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get canceled on that one.

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know if if primates are canceling people

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 1>yet on social media. I don't know.

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:38.359
<v Speaker 3>There was that monkey who sued the guy who took

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 3>the picture.

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Remember that thing? A monkey suited somewhere. I think maybe

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>an adventurous lawyer decided to work on a retainer. No retainer,

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I should say, yeah, a contingency law, because I don't

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't think a monkey's like you don't want to

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:57.439
<v Speaker 1>fuck him. I've had enough of this ship.

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.359
<v Speaker 3>There was a monkey type thing that took a self

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 3>the first selfie in the jungle or something. But then

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 3>they went that you don't own the picture because they

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.320
<v Speaker 3>took the picture. Then there's a whole lawsuit. You know, Oh.

0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 1>America, you're an Americans is your country? Baby? Yeah, I

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>know there's a lot of lawsuit going on. You ever

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to be sued?

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 3>I had, I had a threat of a lawsuit. I

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 3>got hit by a drunk driver a few years ago,

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 3>and they they threatened to sue me.

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a whole like insurance scam.

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 3>They look, I learned a lot about this. It's a

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 3>whole thing. They sue to make your insurance. Just settle it.

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>They just want to settle it. They want to make

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it go away. Yeah. It actually, I think over the

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>years you've been soon. Yeah, you know, I've been here

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>for a while. You know, yeah happens.

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever been done a stand up show? And

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 3>then they would they don't want to give you your paycheck.

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I take no part in any of that. Oh wow,

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I take no part in it. I have. I'm very

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 1>lucky that when I go here is true story. I

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 1>have a lawyer who's I don't know if I should

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 1>say their name. No, I don't think I will. But

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.759
<v Speaker 1>when I first got to America, I had no money

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 1>and I added this and I met this guy who's

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 1>still my lawyer with him and one of the partners.

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>So it's a man and a woman and they're terrific

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 1>lawyers and they're super successful lawyers. And I had no

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:23.319
<v Speaker 1>money at all. But I was talking to them and

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:25.200
<v Speaker 1>they said, well, we will be your lawyers, and like

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 1>they represent really really big people and they did back then,

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.399
<v Speaker 1>like giant titans of the industry shit. And I said,

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I got no money. I can't pay you. They said, no, no,

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 1>we'll We'll take a percentage. And it's not a big percentage,

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:39.879
<v Speaker 1>he said. I said, but you can't have you know,

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>five percent or nothing is still nothing. And they said, eah,

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>we have a feeling. And they're still my lawyers. Yes, fantastic,

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing, very very lucky. And we've been through some

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>real adventures. Yeah, so yeah, I'm very So who represents you?

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Was like, do you have the same manager you had

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning and stuff?

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 3>No. I heard a sentence from somebody a few months

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 3>ago at this party, and then he came up to me.

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.879
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I brought my wife to your show, and

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 3>she don't take this wrong way, but she said, he's

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 3>excited to say this. He means it as a compliment,

0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 3>but she's she said, oh my god, Taylor's so funny.

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Why isn't he famous? And then I'm just like.

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:22.919
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel you're not famous enough?

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 3>No? But I'm just saying this is my representative to me,

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 3>and I'm just like, do you not want to come

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 3>up with a game plan with me. Do you not

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 3>see any part of what would be a game plan

0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 3>for you?

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.879
<v Speaker 1>What do you want? I want? It's hard.

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:36.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean a lot of my dreams don't exist anymore.

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 3>This as this industry changes so much. Like I started

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and three, I wanted to be like

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to not to kiss your bike. I wanted

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 3>to be like you. I wanted to be on a

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 3>stitcom like that. Yeah, I thought you sitcom. Then you

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 3>become like people know you as a comedian, you know.

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.319
<v Speaker 3>Then I swore my kissing. We were pitched a show

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 3>several years ago that meant the world to me. I

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 3>wanted to host a talk a talk show, yeah, like that,

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 3>and then it doesn't really happening, you know, yeah, and

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 3>like it's it's just all these like huge dreams that

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 3>work so hard for like, oh that does that's not

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 3>really a thing, multi game kind of thing.

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Talk shows not a thing. Well, it's no, it's been changing.

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Everybody has a talk show right right now, I can

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:15.959
<v Speaker 1>have a talk show. You can talk to your buddy

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 1>at YouTube. I mean, it's right, but you're right, it's different.

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely different. I was just having a conversation with

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Landom about it. He was like, yeah, I feel like

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>we got the laughter, that kind of thing, you know

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:29.319
<v Speaker 1>for sure? Does he do your voice when he talks

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>about you? I hope so yeah he does. I think

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:33.840
<v Speaker 1>he does. But I want to be I want to.

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 3>I want my comedy to be seeing by lots of

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 3>people and enjoyed by lots of people. And I'd like to.

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I still want to create shows and have my friends

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 3>in them, and I want to write movies.

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.720
<v Speaker 1>What about my personal stuff? What about your life outside

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 1>of comedy? What do you do? Is it just you

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and Betty? Got Betty? I got a wonderful girlfriend. How

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 1>long have you guys been together? Two years? Okay, so

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and you're about thirty seven? Thirty seven? Yeah yeah so

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 1>yeah good.

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 3>And she's been on your show yeah yeah yeah, Ginger Gonzaga.

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was on your show.

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 1>She adores you.

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, she's more of an actress superstar. Yeah, but

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 3>she didn't stand up for a while. Yeah yeah, and

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:20.360
<v Speaker 3>uh yeah, like I'm I think, I'm like, I'm excited

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 3>about my life and my COVID mess things up a lot.

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>That was like I didn't care for it. I don't

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.800
<v Speaker 1>think that's to say, but it's true.

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 3>But it's weird, Like I feel like I aged. I

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 3>don't know, there's like an age I don't know, like

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, in your twenties it like nothing matters, kind

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 3>of like you can make mistakes whatever. The early thirties

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 3>is kind of that. But then like later three is like, oh,

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 3>I got to make decisions in my life. Like yeah,

0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:44.399
<v Speaker 3>and I feel like I missed a few years of

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.720
<v Speaker 3>of like chilling a little bit more, you know, because

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 3>the last few years has been catching up on opportunities

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.440
<v Speaker 3>that were taking away and stuff, you know. But right

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 3>now I feel so excited about my art and career

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 3>stuff coming up and uh, personal life stuff, and I

0:47:57.960 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm figuring out who I am and what

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm about. And I'm not in a hurry. I spend

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:04.800
<v Speaker 3>too much time trying to do things by a certain age.

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 3>It's like a dumb thing that happened. It's starting out.

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, no, I think everybody does that. I remember, yeah,

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 1>because I remember saying, like when I was a kid,

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, Orson Welles made Citizen kme by the time

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>he was like twenty five or he did that too. Yeah,

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and then but you gotta look at the whole picture.

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Look at orson Wales that like, you know, and there's

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 1>sixties doing commercials for frozen peace. That's the wrong with

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.839
<v Speaker 1>doing a commercial for frozen peas. But you know, it's

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.400
<v Speaker 1>not a kind of linear thing. It's very naive I

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.280
<v Speaker 1>think to think, oh, well, once I get this, everything's

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna be okay, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.839
<v Speaker 1>think the longer I survive physically, the more I'm like, yeah,

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.080
<v Speaker 1>health is the only thing that fucking mars man is

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the only thing that mars Yeah, health, health in your family,

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>That's the only thing. Am I ever? Show business? The

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 1>fuck please? Show business, I feel is like the Internet.

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's only dangerous if you take it seriously. You don't

0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 1>take it seriously, doesn't fucking it doesn't matter at all. Right,

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:08.360
<v Speaker 1>it is crazy. You know, Hey, look he did this. Okay,

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 1>that's right. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's it's a funny journey. And like even

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:18.879
<v Speaker 3>just being alive still, I feel like I'm doing well,

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, like it's just.

0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>The ahead of the game. Ninety percent of people on.

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:24.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's so many people that like I used to

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 3>try to impress this business or like wanted their validation,

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:29.080
<v Speaker 3>or like wanted them to work with me.

0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 3>They're not in the business anymore. They're not alive anymore.

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Some of them.

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like it's funny how it resets. I've noticed that,

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 3>Like the people almost had tons, I mean with late Night.

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:44.319
<v Speaker 1>I remember people who I had idolized, who became I

0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:46.600
<v Speaker 1>became friendly with, I went for dinner with, who came

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.720
<v Speaker 1>in my house, and then you know, and now they've

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:52.360
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of them have died and stuff like that.

0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, time fuckings. Man, It's not like you get

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 1>to a point you're going to sit there forever. Yeah,

0:49:58.440 --> 0:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>it's fun.

0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 3>What's your healthy thing you do outside of the business.

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I take no part in it. It's what I do.

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I take no part in the business. I hang with,

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, my family, and I do that. I I

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 1>don't have like hobbies are in it. I don't like

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.160
<v Speaker 1>have a warehouse full of cars or you know. But

0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I bought a boat. I can fly airplanes. I can

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Like you just casually say I can

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>fly a plane. Yeah, I can't fly plane, fly multiple planes,

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:29.359
<v Speaker 1>but not at the same time. I'm not an octopus.

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that an octopus could do that,

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>but you would need at least like you need a

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:36.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of limbs, That's what I'm saying. But of course

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:38.280
<v Speaker 1>you would need more than just limbs to fly a plane.

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not like an octopus can go I can fly

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:41.959
<v Speaker 1>eight plane. That's not true.

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.120
<v Speaker 3>What's the longest flight you've done well as me as

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 3>the pilot?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a couple hours, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>And like, so do you need to explain it to me?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it hard to fly a plane or they just

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<v Speaker 3>need to make sure that you're not an asshole?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can be an asshole on fly a plane. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's learned experience. I mean you you don't. You don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get to fly a plane on your first

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<v Speaker 1>day learning about it. Yeah, it's kind of like stand up.

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<v Speaker 1>The difference is the difference is when you fail at

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<v Speaker 1>stand up, you walk away with hurt feelings. You fail

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<v Speaker 1>at aviation, Hey, you don't walk away at all. That's wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's beautiful. Yeah. What I like about it and

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<v Speaker 1>what it what drew me to it is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very It's the same thing Leno says about cars. You.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very scientific. It's very cause and effect. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>why does that guy do well and I don't do well?

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Or why do people like there's no ambiguity to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you follow the rules and it will work. Yeah,

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't follow the rules, it will not work. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that that kind of appeals to me because show

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<v Speaker 1>business is not like that. You can follow all the

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<v Speaker 1>like you were discussing your frustration, you know, like following

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<v Speaker 1>certain rules and it not working out for you, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, it's show business is mercurial, but aviation

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<v Speaker 1>is scientific.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's so thoughtful. That's really fascinating. Well, no, but

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<v Speaker 3>I heard your interview with Jyleno talking about that too,

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<v Speaker 3>and like I get it more now, Like, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>know John Cena says control the controllable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what John Cena says. John Cena is a

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<v Speaker 1>very wise man. I think it's been said before. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the serenity to accept the things you cannot change,

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<v Speaker 1>courage to change the things that can, and the wisdom

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<v Speaker 1>to know the difference. Oh, they stole that from John Cena.

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.160
<v Speaker 1>That was John Cena who first came up with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was the first stoic. Yes did.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and there was

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<v Speaker 3>a sister that it's a great place.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been there?

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<v Speaker 3>There was this fancy bar there that Harrison Ford would

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<v Speaker 3>fly there and then I think it's a soda bar

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that. I don't know, but he would

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<v Speaker 3>go there and have a cocktail like that and then

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<v Speaker 3>he would fly home like that was I imagine he

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<v Speaker 3>was sleep or may he crashed maybe he.

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<v Speaker 1>Would No, no, no, he's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Respect respect to Harrison, But have you ever done that?

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<v Speaker 3>You fly to a place, then you just like hang

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<v Speaker 3>out and fly home like yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've done it a lot of times. I've done

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<v Speaker 1>it with Harris support, but I've done it with other people.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you go to a cocktail. That would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad if I flew saying he flew trunk, I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I made a joke saying I don't know. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>good cancel. By the way, what's a cute can.

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<v Speaker 1>You were canceled for saying that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I heard Harrison Ford. This helps you with listeners too.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't want any help with listeners. Yeah no, No,

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean is I you know, whenever you do

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<v Speaker 1>an interview and they say, why should people come to

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.239
<v Speaker 1>your show? I'm like, I don't fucking know. Come if

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.359
<v Speaker 1>they won't. You know your dad. If you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to come, don't come. I'm not going to force you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who I am. If you if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to see me, come see me. If you don't, don't,

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay. Yeah, you're not going to try and sell

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<v Speaker 1>you anything. Do you know what the business is now for?

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<v Speaker 3>Like you're you're locked in as like comedy icon and

0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 3>people different generations know you and like you're in a

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<v Speaker 3>special thing like the things that meetings are doing now

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 3>to get famous. It's not about I'm sure never was

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<v Speaker 3>about just being a great artist. Has always been a business,

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:09.080
<v Speaker 3>you know. Sure, But there's people who sell out because

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:13.719
<v Speaker 3>they they're promoters, right, and they get agents because the

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 3>agents are like, well they're selling out everything. I guess

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.160
<v Speaker 3>we'll book them, like the big agencies are signing these like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well that's always.

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<v Speaker 3>Been the case, has there always been?

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<v Speaker 1>Like people? Sure? Yet, look, you think an agent gives

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<v Speaker 1>out fuck what you do you think an agent, any

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:29.520
<v Speaker 1>agent in Hollywood gives out fly and fuck what your

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<v Speaker 1>act is?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>It's how much money it makes. That's the business they were.

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<v Speaker 3>That's something for me to figure out in therapy is

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm always looking for, Like, like I'm twenty years in.

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<v Speaker 3>I still think I'm like, they're gonna be my friend.

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 3>You're like there's like a mother figure, a father figure

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<v Speaker 3>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no my agents and people I work with

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<v Speaker 1>I've been with for a very long time that they

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<v Speaker 1>are friends but their friends. No, because I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>give a shit but what I'm working at right But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If you're in the you're in the

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<v Speaker 1>heat right now, you're in the in the thirty your thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>your forties, that's like, you know, it's like making your

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<v Speaker 1>balloons time. Yeah, you know it's hard to be friends

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<v Speaker 1>in the Yeah, what do I do? I don't fucking know. Man,

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 1>it's different for everybody. Will will you be my dad? Uh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of allowance, how much do you want? Like one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred bucks a week? No? Not.

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<v Speaker 1>If I give you a hundred bucks a week, then

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<v Speaker 1>I have to give the other kids one hundred bucks

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<v Speaker 1>a week.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the other guess Jesse Tyler Ferguson has to

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<v Speaker 3>get a hundred bucks a week.

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<v Speaker 1>No, are your actual kids? Yeah, my actual kids. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want them coming at me for money. Oh I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but if you didn't have them, you would give

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<v Speaker 3>me a hundred bucks a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, let's say, yeah, okay, get the fuck out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you,