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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the

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Speaker 2: And let me remind you before we do do history,

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Speaker 2: you have to get your ask doctor Jesse. Questions emailed

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Speaker 2: political show. Probably shouldn't talk about history for a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have a rough night if it's you and

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Speaker 2: you want to hear some cool history stories, an interesting

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Speaker 2: one one you may even know a little bit about,

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Speaker 2: and how it connects to today. Well, you're in luck,

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Speaker 2: because it's time. Let's talk about Vietnam for a minute.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's gonna take longer than a minute. I totally

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about.

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Speaker 2: Vietnam for a little while. All right, because this is

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Speaker 2: I see happening right now that concerns me greatly. But

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Speaker 2: to see what's coming, let's look back, all right, So

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Speaker 2: let's talk about Vietnam for a minute. First of all,

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Speaker 2: let's understand something about Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: We all do this. I do this all the time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't, but I know I do this.

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Speaker 2: I tend to simplify things to make them easier to understand. Right,

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Speaker 2: That's probably a very human nature thing to do.

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Speaker 1: But when we.

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Speaker 2: Think about Vietnam, when I think about Vietnam, just right

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Speaker 2: off the bat if I'm not putting any thought into it,

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Speaker 2: I think about, Okay, a Southeast Asian country, Buddhists. That's

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Speaker 2: That about what you think Vietnam. They got it, okay?

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Speaker 2: All right, Vietnam's got a very complicated history and complicated

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Speaker 2: in this way. There's European influence there. We'll get to that,

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Speaker 2: Muslim influence there, Christian influence there, Catholic influence there, Hindu

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Speaker 2: We're going back before that, okay, but this is this

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Speaker 2: will help us understand the lay of the land better

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Speaker 2: before any of that. There wasn't some singular Vietnam up

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Speaker 2: until the modern right, really the post Vietnam War, that

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Speaker 2: never really got along.

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Speaker 1: They never were really. It wasn't some it wasn't some

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Speaker 2: They were always kind of split. And that'll come into

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Speaker 2: play later on. So what happened, Well, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: So let's just get to the French portion of this.

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Speaker 2: The French they decided to dig into Vietnam. Now again,

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Speaker 2: it was all those things. There were always Europeans there,

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Speaker 2: a nation, right. But the French they decided these Vietnamese

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Speaker 2: What am I trying to say, well, the missionary business

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Speaker 2: is an interesting business in Rome, in ancient Rome, if

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Speaker 2: Ah, those were some tough years for you. You were

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Speaker 2: getting fed to the lions in the colosseum. You know

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Speaker 2: But then eventually Rome, once it splits off, becomes East,

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Speaker 1: So again started out hostile, ended.

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Speaker 2: Up pretty good. The Vietnam. The Vietnam experiment went the

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Speaker 2: other way. It started out okay, French missionaries are in

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Speaker 2: there again. There's all kinds of different people they're working with,

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Speaker 2: they're spreading the gospel. Finally they wore out there welcome.

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Speaker 2: Whether or not it's their fault. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't there. You know, missionary work can be. It takes

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Speaker 2: on a different form. Not all of it is.

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Speaker 1: Hey, here's a Bible on some clean drinking water. Would

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Speaker 1: you like to hear about Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a here's a gun in your forehead, convert now,

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Speaker 2: different forms either way. They started killing the French missionaries.

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Speaker 2: The French. Ah, that's going to be a no go

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Speaker 2: for me. You're not going to kill our missionaries. And also,

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Speaker 2: let's not dismiss this. It wasn't all religious fervor.

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Speaker 1: Vietnam is a pretty nice place if you're a nation

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Speaker 1: looking for a colony. Yes it is.

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Speaker 2: Chris okay, Chris s y okay. That's anytime you have

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Speaker 2: a nation. Let's pause for a moment. And again, this

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Speaker 2: But we're doing history right now though that part of

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Speaker 2: the world. Think India East, all right, India East, go

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Speaker 1: All of it.

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Speaker 2: We're talking Philippines, Vietnam, all these places. Yes, Chris, I

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Speaker 2: understand about the leeches and tigers and malaria.

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Speaker 1: I get all that. Just stay with me, please, when

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Speaker 1: you get to India.

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Speaker 2: And that part of the world that is a resource

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Speaker 2: rich part of the world and always hadspen. You've heard

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Speaker 2: is the spice trade? Are they talking about spicy foods?

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Speaker 2: They're talking about all kinds of different spices, from cinnamon

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Speaker 2: this region. The major powers of the world were obsessed

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Speaker 2: was like trading in gold back then. I got a

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Speaker 2: ship full of cinnamon. I'm coming, baby, it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: swimming in money, all right. This area's resource rich, especially

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Speaker 2: rice rich. Rice has an incredible value. Anyway, Anyway, the

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Speaker 2: French move in, they colonized Vietnam. They take the place over.

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Speaker 2: This was not a peaceful taking. And remember this is

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Speaker 2: not nursery rhyme conservatism.

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Speaker 1: Time.

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Speaker 2: There has never been a place that has been taken

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Speaker 2: well rarely has there been a place that is taken

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Speaker 2: by peaceful means. Vietnam was pacified and conquered through violence

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Speaker 2: by the French. You want to unified Vietnam, you got one.

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Speaker 2: A lot of Vietnamese people got shot in the face

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Speaker 1: French moved in. They said, you're officially a French colony.

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Speaker 2: Oh you don't like that, here's a bayonet in your stomach.

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Speaker 2: Eventually the French win, they take over, and they take

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Speaker 1: They all worship weirdly, surely they're all friends.

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Speaker 2: Right, No, not so much, same thing the French ran

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Speaker 1: Ah, they are all tiny Asians. Surely they're buds.

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Speaker 2: But that's how they looked at it. You can pacify

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Speaker 1: I well, I mean here it is.

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Speaker 2: You might think to yourself, Wow, surely they're meeting to

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Speaker 2: Call it a patriotic kind of a nationalist movement the south.

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Speaker 2: before we get back to history, I want you to

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Speaker 2: we're talking about, Well, it's going to tie into something

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Speaker 2: It's all podcasts and I'm not going back. We don't

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Speaker 1: It was really really bad what they did.

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Speaker 2: So there grows a resistance movement in Vietnam to the Japanese,

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Speaker 2: Internal divisions do not magically heal themselves at because of

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Speaker 1: Back together again?

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Speaker 2: How do you restore any kind of a world order

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Speaker 1: How do you start to fix that? What do you do?

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Speaker 1: Got your butt kicked there. That sucked.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, You've had a rough go of it.

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Speaker 2: Why want you to take Vietnam back? You had it anyway,

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Speaker 2: then you lost to Hitler and the Japanese ran out

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Speaker 1: But take via normback. We want you to have it.

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Speaker 1: Not all, but a lot.

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Speaker 2: them for war. Hey, a, Vietnam, I need twenty thousand troops.

437
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Speaker 2: Set them now, please. I'm gonna put my people in

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Speaker 2: place in charge of your country. You, Vietnam, You're going

439
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Speaker 2: to get things though, like I already mentioned, housing, healthcare, modernization, education,

440
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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 1: Know what else you're gonna get Vietnam. And this is

442
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Speaker 1: how colonization was sold all over the planet.

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Speaker 2: You know what else you're gonna get Vietnam. Protection because me, France,

444
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Speaker 2: I stand behind you. Who will ever mess with you

445
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Speaker 2: Vietnam if I'm here standing with you, and the people

446
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Speaker 2: who had been colonized, not just the Vietnamese, all around

447
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Speaker 2: the world. They understood that as being part of the deal.

448
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Speaker 2: You can remain here, you can do these things, but

449
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Speaker 2: you're gonna be my bodyguard, right, Nobody's gonna come in

450
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Speaker 2: here and abuse me.

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Speaker 1: Right.

452
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Speaker 2: And you make that deal with the French, and fifteen

453
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Speaker 2: minutes later you're being kidnapped to go work in a

454
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Speaker 2: Japanese brothel. You've got some bitterness, do you not. The

455
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Speaker 2: Vietnamese had no time for the French moving back in

456
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Speaker 2: and taking over. The French wanted to move back in,

457
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Speaker 2: did move back in. The Vietnamese people were having none

458
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Speaker 2: of it. Boom War kicks off, and this is a

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Speaker 2: fascinating period of time in Vietnam's history if you want

460
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Speaker 2: to dig into it. You know, the fifties kind of thing.

461
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Speaker 2: We decide we're going to back the French because we

462
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Speaker 2: want things to calm down. How are we backing the French?

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Speaker 2: Stop me if any of this sounds familiar America, because

464
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Speaker 2: we're going somewhere with this.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to my point here. Quickly.

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Speaker 2: Tell me if any of this sounds familiar. We start

467
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Speaker 2: sending over. Oh of course, we're not fighting. Oh my gosh,

468
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Speaker 2: don't be paranoid. We're not getting involved in a fight.

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Speaker 2: Stop being paranoid. We just started sending money. It's just money, right,

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Speaker 2: No boots on the ground, No boots on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, all right, some boots on the

473
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Speaker 2: ground now, but don't worry. They're just advisors. You've never

474
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Speaker 2: heard of this before, right, This certainly is nothing that's

475
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Speaker 2: taking place.

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Speaker 1: Now in America.

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Speaker 2: We're sending the French money, we're sending them advisors. We're

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Speaker 2: even sending them planes to fight against the Vietnamese. It's

479
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Speaker 2: not like we're doing that now with F sixteen's to

480
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Speaker 2: Ukraine and things like that anyway. So we're sending them money,

481
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Speaker 2: we're sending advisors, we're sending planes. Over eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: France's war budget in Vietnam funded by the United States

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Speaker 2: of America. And that brings us to my point, which

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Speaker 2: I will try to get to next.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't care if you believe him, but he's right.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Kelly, it is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: We still have so much to get to, more than

489
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Speaker 2: an hour left. We've got Savannah Hernandez co about halfway

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Speaker 2: through next hour. She's gonna give us a heads up

491
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Speaker 2: on this story out of California. Every parent with kids

492
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Speaker 2: needs to hear this story, or parents who are about

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Speaker 2: to have kids, although I guess that wouldn't make you

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Speaker 2: a parent yet, would be parents upcoming parents.

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Speaker 1: Chris, how do I say that parent parent, parent parents

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Speaker 1: to be. I just came up with that. Chris didn't help.

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Speaker 2: Parents to be is the term that I just came

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Speaker 2: up with, without any help from Chris.

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Speaker 1: Parents to be. Anyway, let's get.

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Speaker 2: Back to our history story, because I'm going somewhere with

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Speaker 2: this and how it's connected to where we're at now.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Vietnam, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, So we pour all this money, all these planes,

504
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Speaker 2: all these advisors, no boots on the ground, of course,

505
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Speaker 2: no boots on the ground into the French as they're

506
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Speaker 2: fighting the Vietnamese. But the French lose. They're just not

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Speaker 2: what they were. It didn't matter what money we poured

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Speaker 2: into them. The Vietnamese people had been hardened fighters by

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Speaker 2: this point in time. France as a nation had been

510
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Speaker 2: so shattered economically, militarily. And I'm not dogging them by

511
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Speaker 2: or for their military prowess in Vietnam. There were a

512
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Speaker 2: lot of really really brave French troops there, but it

513
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Speaker 2: wouldn't happen, right, it wouldn't happen at all. So the

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Speaker 2: French lose. Now it's election time. The French lost after all, Vietnam.

515
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Speaker 2: Now there's only one of them, right, because there was

516
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Speaker 2: one Vietnam under France. Now there's only one of them,

517
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Speaker 2: except I'm not so much. This is where America stepped

518
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Speaker 2: in again. America in the South, they realized that they

519
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Speaker 2: were going to lose any election held by the Communists.

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Speaker 2: Why do you lose elections held by communists? One it's

521
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Speaker 2: sadly because the Communists were the most powerful and popular

522
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Speaker 2: party in the country at the time, but two because

523
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Speaker 2: communists cheat in elections. Breaking judge overturns Bridgeport, Connecticut mayoral

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Speaker 2: primary election after Democrat clerk busted for ballot stuffing. Are

525
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Speaker 2: nothing but an inconvenience for communists. They always have and

526
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Speaker 2: they always will be. Anyway, America steps in and says no,

527
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Speaker 2: two Vietnams South and a North. The North obviously goes

528
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Speaker 2: full communist, the South does not. The Southern guy, though,

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Speaker 2: oh man, that he suck. Now, he was supposedly an

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Speaker 2: anti communist and he was gonna be our guy. One

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Speaker 2: quote I read, I believe this is verbatim. Don't quote

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Speaker 2: beyond this, but I think it was verbatim. Somebody said

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Speaker 2: he's a son of a poop. But at least he's

534
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Speaker 2: our son of a poop. The guy who was running

535
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Speaker 2: things in the South as a dictator was a real

536
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Speaker 2: piece of trash. He starts oppressing religions there, even Buddhism obviously,

537
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Speaker 2: is something that caught hold. Have you ever seen a picture,

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Speaker 2: or god forbid, you've seen a video. There is video

539
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Speaker 2: of it, don't look this up of a monk setting

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Speaker 2: himself on fire. You've seen this, right, and Chris has

541
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Speaker 2: seen it. Michael, you've seen this. It's horrible stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know that.

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Speaker 2: There's a very good chance if you've seen one of

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Speaker 2: those that actually took place in South Vietnam, that's one

545
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Speaker 2: of the places that really caught on. The monks were

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Speaker 2: setting themselves on fire to protest how much of a

547
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Speaker 2: piece of trash this southern dictator was. Now let's pause

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Speaker 2: for a moment because again I realize you already know

549
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Speaker 2: that this is coming back home for America and what

550
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Speaker 2: I see happening here.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to finish my story.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, but think for a moment about everything we've

553
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Speaker 2: just discussed from an American point of view. Think how

554
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Speaker 2: invested we are in this area. How long have we

555
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: been pouring money, munitions, food, advisors, support into this area

556
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Speaker 2: forever we were back in Ho Chi Minh and now

557
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: we were back in the forever and momentum is one

558
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Speaker 2: of those things that's very difficult to quantify into fine. Nevertheless,

559
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: it's very real and easy to see. All the momentum

560
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Speaker 2: in the United States of America with the national security

561
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Speaker 2: apparatus we have in place, we had in place, all

562
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Speaker 2: of them. All the momentum was we have to be

563
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Speaker 2: involved in Vietnam. We have to be involved in Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: We have to win in Vietnam. We have to win

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Speaker 2: in Vietnam. We have to we have to do this,

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Speaker 2: we have to do I don't know, maybe similar to

567
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Speaker 2: something you see in America today of something along the

568
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Speaker 2: lines of we have to stop Russia at any cost. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: back to Vietnam, I certainly don't want to make it

570
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Speaker 2: about America quite yet. North and South split. Southern guy's

571
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Speaker 2: a piece of trash. North Vietnam full communist. Well, communists

572
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Speaker 2: are still communists, whether they're Vietnamese communists, American communists, or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Communists don't see pieces of ground they don't want to conquer. Remember,

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Speaker 2: the communist is a conquer He is an agent of

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Speaker 2: destruction and domination. If you handed him ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: of the world. He wouldn't spend five seconds celebrating. It

577
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Speaker 2: would eat at him that he didn't have one.

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Speaker 1: Percent of the world. The Norse still wanted the South.

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Speaker 2: We begin to pour in advisors, green berets, special forces types.

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Speaker 2: This is nineteen sixty one. What are they doing there?

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Speaker 2: They're arming and advising the South Vietnamese. This is under Kennedy.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind, under Kennedy, we now have thousands of

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Speaker 2: troops there, ten thousand, sixteen thousand troops. This is before

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Speaker 2: the Vietnam War. Keep in mind, because that's where we're

585
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Speaker 2: going here. Just hang on, before the Vietnam War. All

586
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Speaker 2: kinds of green berets, advisors, a man equipment there, American government.

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Speaker 2: They're pretty much ready to move in and take over

588
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Speaker 2: the whole thing. At this point in time, the problem

589
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Speaker 2: was stop me. If any of this sounds familiar. The

590
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Speaker 2: South Vietnamese government was not only horrifically corrupt, they were

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Speaker 2: weak and unable to stand up to the North Vietnamese

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Speaker 2: government unless they were propped up entirely by America. None

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Speaker 2: of this is ringing any bells for our current situation, right,

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Speaker 2: ding ding ding?

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Speaker 1: None of this sounds familiar right anyway?

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Speaker 2: So that's our situation, and then boom, that fateful day happens.

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Speaker 1: John F.

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Speaker 2: Kennedy gets assassinated in Dallas, not saying there's any relation

599
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Speaker 2: to this, who knows what the relations are. But JFK

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Speaker 2: gets assassinated in Dallas. Now, I don't want to absolve

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Speaker 2: JFK for what's coming because JFK was part of that

602
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Speaker 2: momentum we just discussed where the National security apparatus decided

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Speaker 2: on its own that we had to be involved in Vietnam,

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Speaker 2: we had to be involved in Vietnam. We have to

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Speaker 2: keep Vietnam, we have to protect Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: And it just.

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Speaker 2: Became the thing if you were at this departments CIA,

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Speaker 2: no matter what government, at any form, that was just

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Speaker 2: the accepted intelligence at the time. And that brings us

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Speaker 2: to l B J. Lincoln Johns or Lincoln Johnson. Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, Lyndon Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Sorry.

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Speaker 2: We will finish this story, I promise, and tie it

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Speaker 2: into modern times as we get to our final hour

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Speaker 2: on the Thursday, Jesse Kelly Show, I hope you've enjoyed

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Speaker 2: history as much as I've enjoyed talking about it. I

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Speaker 2: hope you enjoy life too. Did you know that right?

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Speaker 2: Now in Ohio, they are trying to enshrine into their

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Speaker 2: constitution abortion. Did you know do you want to know

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Speaker 2: the battle we fight Warren Buffett. You've heard of him, right,

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Speaker 2: Did you know that Warren Buffett has spent forty million

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Speaker 2: dollars to make sure more abortions are available. That's what

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Speaker 2: we're up against. The majorly rich evil people in this

624
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Speaker 2: planet who believe in population control, killing babies. That's where

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Speaker 2: preborn comes in. They can have their Warren Buffets. We'll

626
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Speaker 2: take our preborns. Preborn giving these young women who've been

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Speaker 2: lied to and manipulated, preborn, giving them free ultrasounds so

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Speaker 2: they can discover it's not a clump of cells, it's

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Speaker 2: your baby. And then when they choose life, preborn stays

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Speaker 2: right there alongside of them, caring for them and the baby.

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Speaker 2: That's where your money goes. Your twenty eight bucks s

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Speaker 2: buys that ultrasound, they'll give it tonight. Preborn dot com

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Speaker 2: slash Jesse. All right, preborn dot com slash Jesse, We

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Speaker 2: shall return