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Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about some of these wide receivers.

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Speaker 2: Pa, I know you love wide receivers.

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Speaker 3: We think about fantasy and touches and as we get

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Speaker 2: Talk about him. What do you think about my guy?

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud because that was the reason I picked

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Speaker 3: But to me, there are two teams that really stand

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Speaker 2: And I don't know why there's not a lot of love.

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Speaker 2: But in the previous segment we talked about the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 3: We talked about the Purple People leaders and how offensively

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Speaker 2: But man, when I look at this team, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I may be alone in this.

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Speaker 3: I see a team that can make a Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: Team, they're in the mix, and we always talk about

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Speaker 3: Balling, and all the people that were like, look deriding

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Speaker 3: Now? Russell Wilson is six and one as a starter,

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Speaker 1: And it really highlights how absurd that avalanche of bad

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Speaker 3: I feel like he jumped back into a situation that

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Speaker 2: As he is.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because the conversation that existed when Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked out for Russ and Mike Tomlin facing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly does. And so you know who deserves

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Speaker 3: in joining the podcast.

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Speaker 2: And allowing some great conversation to take place. Pat, if

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Speaker 2: I can ever pay you back, if I.

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Speaker 3: Can jump on the show, if I can come in,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have you on Fantasy Live asap.

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Speaker 1: He'll be on there, so we'll get it done.

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Speaker 3: Okay, We're gonna make sure we get it done. Look

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Speaker 3: that was moved the sticks for the day. I'm Bucket Brooks.

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Speaker 3: This patch of Clayvon until next time we talked to you.

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