WEBVTT - Christopher Michael 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.280 You didn't have all the seasons? 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.640 Yes, and where are you these days? 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:09.600 I'm still here in the valley. Yeah, in the West 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.039 sand Fernando Valley. I've been here twenty four years. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.440 Okay. Yeah, we were in our house and we were 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:21.959 in Calabasas, but we were there for twenty for yeah, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:23.360 twenty three years. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:24.360 Wow. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.160 Yeah, and Mac moved. So Mac is now in Maryland. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:34.360 I went east. Is anybody mister David is. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.080 Still I was never in La though, I. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.400 Mean, you're still in California. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.520 Yes, what's up? I didn't know David was there? 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.000 Yeah, he's in the middle. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:43.800 What's up? 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.479 Can you see us all? Or do you only see me? 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:47.959 Because otherwise that's a travesty. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.560 Do you know I can see you and I can 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:52.640 just I can see half of David. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.560 David? Do you see Mac on the screen? Where you 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.520 see us? Do you see a pin? Can you know? 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:01.800 Oh? 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.320 Yeah, there you see that? Do you see Mac? Now? 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.320 There we go, Hi guys, Yeah. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.440 There he is. Okay. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.040 You know what, I still have all my seventh Heaven stuff. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:15.959 I still have that gas that gas pump. Oh yeah, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:21.480 and I still have the remember the lunch box? 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.679 Yeah, yeah, you have the cellar? 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.280 And the little wind up church. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:29.600 Yes, I have that too. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.839 I have that stuff. Man, that's great. And and usually 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.280 when people come to visit me, if they're Seventh Heaven fans, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:43.560 I'll let I'll let them leave with a with a gift. Yeah, 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.759 I mean they really love it, you know, and teenager too. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.880 I gave a couple of teenager things away. 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.200 You know, that's awesome because. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.080 Somebody in in like Indiana who grew up watching the show. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.160 It means a lot, of course, it does, you know, 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.800 And it means you know, I mean it's been sitting. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.080 I have a little display thing in my kitchen that 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:09.000 came with the house. But it's a fifty the built 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.560 the house was built in nineteen fifty, so it's kind 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.359 of you know, yeah, mid century, you know. Yeah, it's 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.239 kind of old. But that kind of stuff goes perfectly 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:18.560 with it. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.680 Yeah, that's great. It's a perfect display case for it. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:22.600 Let's right at home. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.320 You know, that's amazing. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:25.920 It's great to see you, guys. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.520 We're so happy to have you. And you know, what 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.240 do you want us? Can we dive right in? 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:32.119 Sure? 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:37.600 Are you ready? All right? This is catching up with 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:42.280 the Camdens. I'm Bemverly Mitchell. I'm David Gallagher, and we 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.359 have a very special guest, indeed, like a very special 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:51.960 guest who has been on throughout the whole all seasons. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.280 Yes, you're very very beginning. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.600 You are our most special recurring role, mister Christopher Michael. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.480 Who was you? And also, by the way, I have 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:02.240 to read this. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.040 Who we've gotten to in the rewatch already? 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.880 Yes? You Actually we've gotten to you in the rewatch 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:09.919 because your. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.240 First appearance on the show is right in the first season. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.119 We've already we've been watching some of the episodes through 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.200 and and uh, and we've already caught your your debut 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:19.799 on the on the first season. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.959 It didn't take us long to get in trouble, did it. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:28.600 I didn't on that Saturday morning, Yes, exactly exactly. 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:33.720 That's the first was that the first episode, your first 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:38.960 episode was Saturday was when we meet Officer Michael, which 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:44.400 because you were you were officer, detective captain and eventually 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.440 got to chief of police. I mean you had quite 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:49.360 a career. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:57.720 That's right, thanks to seventh Yeah, was that when I 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.600 was thinking of talking to you, guys, I was thinking 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.320 I had a recurring role on TV for sixteen years 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.240 thanks to Brenda Hampton. Eleven years on Seventh Heaven and 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:09.720 it was five years on Teenager. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.800 You did, yeah, you also. 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.680 I was in every season on both shows. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.400 Valuable is quite impressive. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.160 I just didn't know if they were going to call 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.919 me or not. They just, you know, kept kept calling me. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.400 You know. Yeah, I thought about that. I said, that's 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.440 that's great, you know, same thing for us. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:32.880 Dude, Yeah, because we also got to MC and I 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.039 also got to pop on over to see I was 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.840 referring to I don't know, and they just keep calling, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.880 you know, was I was seventh heven? 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.000 Your first role as a police officer. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:47.280 Which birth? 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:48.240 I don't know. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:52.159 I mean, you played a police officer a lot, but 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.840 I wasn't sure how that got started and what your 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.560 first police officer role was. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.000 And you know, that's a good question with the first 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.680 one was I can tell you my first I'm probably 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:08.400 my first police officer was Hunter. Oh wow, yeah Hunter. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.240 It was probably eighty seven and I I was in 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.599 a scene with Stephanie Kramer. Yeah, yeah, that was probably 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:16.880 now that you mentioned it. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.480 Yeah, how'd you audition for other police officer roles before 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:21.960 that one? 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:28.600 Or absolutely numerous, numerous, of course. 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:29.920 You just gave off that great. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.400 Authoritative Well that's it, you know, my my niche as 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.359 it were. And I'm glad I had one, because I 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.479 was always glad that the industry seemed to know what 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.760 to do with me. My my my niche was men 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.240 in authority, and I would say probably eighty percent of 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.520 that was a guy in uniform, and eighty percent of 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.240 that was a policeman or a security guard. And I 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:57.960 played the high school principles and principal coaches and you know, 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.760 lawyers and fire man. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.960 That came in many forms, but it always seemed to 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.560 the man in uniform, the man who the man with 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.279 the plan, never a damsel in distress. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:12.240 That's cool. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.600 Yeah, well we choose some of the same dirt there 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.880 a few times, or David, you know, getting you out 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:21.920 of trouble, that's right, that's right. Absolutely all those years ago, guys, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.200 it's been wow. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.760 I know you were with us from the beginning nineteen 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:30.840 ninety six, ninety six, yeah, nineteen ninety six, and I 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.799 just always loved when you came on. It was always 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.720 so fun you You always were so bright and cheery 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:42.560 and such so much fun to work with and we 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.640 were always grateful to have you. What was that experience 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.480 like for you? Like Pop? Coming on to the. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:54.000 Show in seventh heven was a blessing. It's a cliche, 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.960 but it was a godsend, you know, And you're talking 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.960 about a guy. I mean in ninety six, I was 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:05.560 already well I've been acting since I was a kid, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.840 but I'd already been a SAG for thirteen years, right. Uh. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.920 Ninety six was a year I was vested for my 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.240 SAG pension. And it was weird because you know, you 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:15.960 need at least I don't know what it is now, 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.960 but you need ten years at that time. So my 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.680 but I was still working in a survival job and 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.640 when I got my letter, I said, wow, you mean 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.840 I had a career. And then that's the year seventh 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.600 even started, So you know, it was nothing but a blessing. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:38.280 After that, you know, what did you do as a kid, Well, let's. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.320 See here, Well I just had a normal childhood. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.120 Okay, but you said, I thought you said you'd been 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:42.840 acting since you. 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.120 Were Oh what did I do? Just local stuff? Yeah? 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.000 Theater I wasn't when I say I started in eighty three. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.800 That was when I joined sag. That's when my professional 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.640 career started. But before then I was always acting the 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:58.080 normal stuff, but anytime I could find something local that 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.840 somebody wanted to use me in. You know, I did 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.720 my first feature film back in Indianapolis. It's all local stuff. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.720 But you were fairly young when you knew that that 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:07.800 was what you wanted to do. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.680 Oh yeah, it's weird because it was the only thing 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:11.480 I ever wanted to do. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.360 Is anyone else in your family, you know, in the 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.200 arts in that way or otherwise. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.840 I have a brother that's an artist in Minnesota. He 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:22.920 draws billboards. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:23.960 That's cool. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.400 Yeah, I mean draws them by hand. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.160 Wow, that takes a while. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.720 Amazing how you can draw something on that scale and 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.559 have it looked like have it looked like like it 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:33.160 was a picture. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:34.199 That's incredible. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.680 That's the kind of stuff he does. Yeah, that's awesome. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.200 That's amazing just to me that people with such a 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.680 broad variety of extreme talents were all the same species. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.240 But like, I can't imagine being able to do something 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.360 like that right ever. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:50.400 That's great. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.200 I know, it's pretty amazing. You know. I've been playing 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.560 guitar for a while, but I am an infant Uh, 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.920 playing the guitar, it just gives me great or learning 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.679 the guitar just gives me greater appreciation for the people 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:09.960 that do it well. The stuff they do is nothing 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:10.920 short of amazing. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.000 The more you know, the more you don't know. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.079 Hitting notes is one thing, but putting them together is 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.840 another thing. And then they bend them and they slide 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.119 them and it's amazing. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.439 Yeah. Really, how long have you been playing guitar. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.640 For on and about twenty years? 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.000 Awesome acoustic or electric. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.680 People that do it really well. You know, you have 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.000 people who have genius and they just sit down and 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.480 pick that thing up and just whoo, you know, And 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.680 that's true in every field really exactly. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.760 Yeah, I know it's always interesting when people come on 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.120 and they're like, why is acting so easy for you? 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.040 And I'm like, I wouldn't say it's easy. I just 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.160 feel like I don't really think all that much. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.600 It comes natural, a little bit more natural. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.560 But I think it's also I mean, I think there's 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:04.319 also people on set too who like, don't really necessarily 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:05.960 like it's it's a little bit harder, it's a little 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.320 bit more learned. And I think even we spoke with 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.280 George stult you good old George, And I think it 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.120 was like it was things that he was saying, like 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.680 you had to he had to learn it on set 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.520 because it wasn't something innate, it wasn't something that he 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.079 had the business. It was new. He was green, he 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.079 was very we we discussed how many shades of green? 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.000 Yeah, I didn't know that. But for his first job 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.480 he did well. He did well. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.840 Yeah, I mean that could be you didn't fire him, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.920 So you didn't fire him because you were you were 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.880 his uh, you were his superior officer, and he never 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:45.760 got rid of them. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.480 The day I had to fire him, I'm like, oh, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:57.000 it was just like on Teenager when when Jack Pappus 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.080 comes to me and says, hey, Coach, can I stay 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:04.280 with you? I'm reading this script and I'm like, at 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:13.720 further than I go? No, sure, Papas, come on down, man. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.720 How do you feel about the the like the development 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:27.400 of Officer Michaels over time, Like we're discussing quickly, just 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.280 how you you started off as as Officer Michael's friend 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.240 of the family, and then over time you you made 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.239 detective and eventually the chief of police of our community. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:43.559 And and how that I think kind of established the 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.400 the amount of of like respect and love that we 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.560 had for you and your character on the show. But 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.679 like but that that your character got his own like 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.720 uh like little sub storyline that that really arked over 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:57.920 the entire series. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.760 Absolutely, it's called good, right, Yes, it's called Brenda Hampton. 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.960 It's called basic good writing. Where you take characters and 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.000 they have arcs. It's like you said, they grow, there's grow, 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:15.480 grow and develop. Yeah, and they have fallacies, you know, 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.760 they make mistakes and they transcend them. And that's what 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.240 that's what it's all about. These days, there's so much 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:26.040 writing it's just not good. And I don't know if 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.040 you're aware of it, but I watch a lot of 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.040 One of the most entertaining things I watched these days 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.040 is YouTube, and I like to watch what they they're 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:41.120 referred to as trolls, and they basically their critics. They 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.640 watched everything from so everything from everything going on to 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.559 society to movies and music, and they're just absolutely hilarious 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.000 and they're far more entertaining, I think, than most of 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.800 the movies that they're putting out these days. And one 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.200 of the big problems that aims to be recurring is 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.240 that they just don't know how to write. They don't 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.880 know about things like character arcs. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.520 Well, there's there's an interesting thing where there there's a 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:16.800 trend I feel like in some media now where characters 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:22.880 are are tried to people want characters that don't make mistakes, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.200 like characters that are benevolent and and are always on 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.000 the right side of things. And without the miss without 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.920 the characters making mistakes, there's nothing to grow from. There's 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.640 no there's no place to go if you're always right. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.720 Well, there's nothing interesting because being human, right is. 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.640 You know, Superman is no good without ryptonite. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.760 True, Absolutely, you need your flaws and and and then 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:53.800 exposing your flaws, but also, like you know, investigating them 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.120 is what is interesting and and what and gives you 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:58.160 a place to learn. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.720 From and try to transcend it, try to get over 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.200 it and do better. That's what it's all about. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.520 I mean, I think that was also what was so 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.000 fun about our show was also the gift that we 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:15.360 had of eleven years to truly investigate our characters and 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.680 develop and to grow and to fall down and to 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:24.960 get back up, and each one of us and to 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.040 also have to be able to have time because that's 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.320 a gift because most times shows you don't know that 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:36.480 you have that, which we didn't either. We always know we. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:42.520 Were lucky the right time, Yes, and hit right away. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.920 It was their only hit. I remember we started, We 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.480 started getting reruns and residuals right away. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.840 It's right, Yeah, we were. We were picked up quickly 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:56.840 by by a lot of by an audience that didn't 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.640 have anything else like us to hold on to, Like 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.960 if for the audience that loved our show, we were 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.720 the only game in town for a long time. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.440 Absolutely, absolutely. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.120 I mean we're still kind of the only game in 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.040 town for a lot of that audience who's still kind 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:16.120 of rediscovering us too. Do you guys go ahead? 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.560 Loved Yes, you know, I can only imagine what you 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.680 guys must have gone through. But every time I went 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.840 through the grocery store and stuff, you know what I mean. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.480 I was like, I'm sure, do you get recognized off? 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.960 And now not as much? You know, in part because 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.480 you know, the show has been gone so long, and 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.840 I cut my hair and I colored my hair for 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:37.960 five years, you know. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.560 Yeah, David cut his hair too. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.520 Yeah, you might see a little gray hair in my 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:47.360 hair the first season, but after that, so you know, 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.920 not as much, but sometimes you never know. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.880 It's always fun to it's always fun to hear the 0:15:54.920 --> 0:16:01.960 stories of how the show impacted people's lives. And and again, 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.520 like you were, you were one of us, you were 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.840 there the whole time. We you know, it's a pleasure. 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.040 It really was. It was a godsend. I'll tell you. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.120 I can't I'll say that at time and time again, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:13.560 but it really was. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.520 You're just so warm too, honestly, like on the days 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.200 that you were it did feel thank you. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.120 Yeah, we had a great time, we really did. 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.480 How did you been in kind to us? 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:26.280 How did you think? 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.400 That really feeds into by the way, the like those 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.560 qualities that you have. It is no surprise to me 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.440 that you've had you've built this career in the industry 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.160 as as the man in uniform, as as a man 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:45.680 with authority, because you're you're sort of this image of 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.160 of the of the right man with authority, the good 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.560 man with authority, uh, you know, and and so like 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.120 you know, as opposed to people who kind of make 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.560 their careers being like the corrupt villain or the corrupt 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.840 politician or that you know, you. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.160 Know what to every time and time again. Throughout my career, 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.439 I used to get from people, Oh yeah, you're always 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.639 a cup, You're always a cup. You're you know what 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.280 I say to him, I'm glad I'm the guy slapping 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.120 the cuffs on him because I looked at I look 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.679 when I look at movies like Minister Society and some 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.640 of these others, I could if those, some of those 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:24.040 roles were the things the only thing I was suitable for, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.280 I wouldn't be an actor period. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.000 And I think that disposition is what kind of put 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.960 you in the right place at the right time to 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.639 be that kind of that the good cop figure and 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.239 and the you know that the authority figure that you 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.120 could trust and you have that that uh, that gentle 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:49.240 soft spokenness, but but also that assuredness that comes with 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.840 a good authority figure, someone you can feel safe. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:56.239 I certainly believed in it wholeheartedly, that's for sure. Well. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.560 And I think also Brenda obviously recognized that when you 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:05.159 came on, and obviously is what kept you around. And 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.800 Brenda also was really good like that, like if she 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:14.480 loved you, you were there till the end, she would 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.320 take care. And I think that was also what was 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:22.200 so wonderful about our show is like we really took 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.000 care of the people, of all of the people that 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:30.000 we cared about, our guest stars, our crew, our cast, like. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.640 Started from the top. It did. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.000 It absolutely started from the top and she was. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:39.280 And it rolled down. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.680 I mean it rolled into another series. It even rolled 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:48.280 into the like most of our cat our crew followed 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:48.680 a suit. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.159 I've worked a lot of shows, Yes, I know what 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.880 I'm talking about, and I can tell you a lot 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.359 of shows, especially that ran a long time that I 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.480 worked on, you were lost. I mean, even as a 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.800 guest star, you had to fend for yourself. I'll give 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.919 you an example. When I did Gray's Anatomy, I'm walking around, 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.720 I'm waiting on a script to be sent to my house. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.359 They finally sent me to wardrobe the day before the 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:19.159 shoot and I say, I never got a script, and 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.560 they say, oh, go to production. Okay. So I go 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.440 to production, I get the script. I look through it. 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:29.639 It is completely different from what I auditioned for, and 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.280 it's significant and I'm glad I got it when I did, 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.800 or I wouldn't have been prepared the next day. Wow. Yeah, 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.359 So it's a case of having to fend for yourself, 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.800 because if I had waited, oh they're going to send 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.199 me the script, if I had gotten it late that 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.280 night or even the next day, if I wasn't prepared, 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.680 nobody knows and nobody cares about anything other than I'm 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:57.320 not prepared, right, Yeah, yeah, there's no excuse, you know 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.280 what I mean. That's why the day before I'm glad, 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.720 I insisted, like, hey, do you have a script for 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.080 me or not? You know, but that's the kind of 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.240 thing you have to do when, especially in some of 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.320 the shows that run longer, you just really have to 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.760 fend for yourself. But Seventh Heaven was really good about that. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:15.240 Yeah, I mean we were. We were always very well organized. Yeah, 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.960 everybody knew what was going on, and we like to 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:24.880 think that we had a very friendly, warm set that 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:27.120 was inviting. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.359 To I think it's something we deserve to be proud of. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.360 We had a we had a great set environment by 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.119 and large, especially given how long we were around and 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.520 you know how many people we had come through our doors. 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.000 You know, I think we can be proud of that. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:54.840 Absolutely. I've been on shows where you go in excuse me, 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.960 the transportation guy tells you don't use the bathroom, Oh goodness. 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.560 And you know it's because he doesn't want to he 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:07.040 does it. He's lazy. I'm going to be in like 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.000 the last scene of the day and he's gonna want 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.159 to pack up and leave. So he doesn't want to 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.119 do his job. And he thinks I'm stupid enough to 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.160 not somehow know that, and he actually think, don't use 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:22.480 the bath what? And I mean it goes on and on. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.880 I once had an ad I'm not going to name 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.200 the projects, but the guy was he had it. He 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.720 he had he wanted to. He acted like he was 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:39.600 wrangling cattle or something. All right, Christopher, let's go. He 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.159 did it two or three times, and I had to 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.320 tell him, hey, wait aute, wait a minute. Way, I 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.280 had to call dress him down and say what are 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:46.880 you doing? Why are you talking to me that way? 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.320