Speaker 1: You didn't have all the seasons?
Speaker 2: Yes, and where are you these days?
Speaker 1: I'm still here in the valley. Yeah, in the West
Speaker 1: sand Fernando Valley. I've been here twenty four years.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, we were in our house and we were
Speaker 2: in Calabasas, but we were there for twenty for yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty three years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mac moved. So Mac is now in Maryland.
Speaker 3: I went east. Is anybody mister David is.
Speaker 1: Still I was never in La though, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, you're still in California.
Speaker 1: Yes, what's up? I didn't know David was there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the middle.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: Can you see us all? Or do you only see me?
Speaker 2: Because otherwise that's a travesty.
Speaker 1: Do you know I can see you and I can
Speaker 1: just I can see half of David.
Speaker 2: David? Do you see Mac on the screen? Where you
Speaker 2: see us? Do you see a pin? Can you know?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you see that? Do you see Mac? Now?
Speaker 1: There we go, Hi guys, Yeah.
Speaker 2: There he is. Okay.
Speaker 1: You know what, I still have all my seventh Heaven stuff.
Speaker 1: I still have that gas that gas pump. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and I still have the remember the lunch box?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have the cellar?
Speaker 1: And the little wind up church.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have that too.
Speaker 1: I have that stuff. Man, that's great. And and usually
Speaker 1: when people come to visit me, if they're Seventh Heaven fans,
Speaker 1: I'll let I'll let them leave with a with a gift. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they really love it, you know, and teenager too.
Speaker 1: I gave a couple of teenager things away.
Speaker 2: You know, that's awesome because.
Speaker 1: Somebody in in like Indiana who grew up watching the show.
Speaker 1: It means a lot, of course, it does, you know,
Speaker 1: And it means you know, I mean it's been sitting.
Speaker 1: I have a little display thing in my kitchen that
Speaker 1: came with the house. But it's a fifty the built
Speaker 1: the house was built in nineteen fifty, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of you know, yeah, mid century, you know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of old. But that kind of stuff goes perfectly
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. It's a perfect display case for it.
Speaker 1: Let's right at home.
Speaker 2: You know, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's great to see you, guys.
Speaker 2: We're so happy to have you. And you know, what
Speaker 2: do you want us? Can we dive right in?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Are you ready? All right? This is catching up with
Speaker 2: the Camdens. I'm Bemverly Mitchell. I'm David Gallagher, and we
Speaker 2: have a very special guest, indeed, like a very special
Speaker 2: guest who has been on throughout the whole all seasons.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're very very beginning.
Speaker 2: You are our most special recurring role, mister Christopher Michael.
Speaker 2: Who was you? And also, by the way, I have
Speaker 2: to read this.
Speaker 4: Who we've gotten to in the rewatch already?
Speaker 2: Yes? You Actually we've gotten to you in the rewatch
Speaker 2: because your.
Speaker 4: First appearance on the show is right in the first season.
Speaker 4: We've already we've been watching some of the episodes through
Speaker 4: and and uh, and we've already caught your your debut
Speaker 4: on the on the first season.
Speaker 3: It didn't take us long to get in trouble, did it.
Speaker 1: I didn't on that Saturday morning, Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the first was that the first episode, your first
Speaker 2: episode was Saturday was when we meet Officer Michael, which
Speaker 2: because you were you were officer, detective captain and eventually
Speaker 2: got to chief of police. I mean you had quite
Speaker 2: a career.
Speaker 1: That's right, thanks to seventh Yeah, was that when I
Speaker 1: was thinking of talking to you, guys, I was thinking
Speaker 1: I had a recurring role on TV for sixteen years
Speaker 1: thanks to Brenda Hampton. Eleven years on Seventh Heaven and
Speaker 1: it was five years on Teenager.
Speaker 2: You did, yeah, you also.
Speaker 1: I was in every season on both shows.
Speaker 2: Valuable is quite impressive.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know if they were going to call
Speaker 1: me or not. They just, you know, kept kept calling me.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I thought about that. I said, that's
Speaker 1: that's great, you know, same thing for us.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, because we also got to MC and I
Speaker 2: also got to pop on over to see I was
Speaker 2: referring to I don't know, and they just keep calling,
Speaker 2: you know, was I was seventh heven?
Speaker 3: Your first role as a police officer.
Speaker 1: Which birth?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, you played a police officer a lot, but
Speaker 5: I wasn't sure how that got started and what your
Speaker 5: first police officer role was.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's a good question with the first
Speaker 1: one was I can tell you my first I'm probably
Speaker 1: my first police officer was Hunter. Oh wow, yeah Hunter.
Speaker 1: It was probably eighty seven and I I was in
Speaker 1: a scene with Stephanie Kramer. Yeah, yeah, that was probably
Speaker 1: now that you mentioned it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how'd you audition for other police officer roles before
Speaker 5: that one?
Speaker 1: Or absolutely numerous, numerous, of course.
Speaker 2: You just gave off that great.
Speaker 1: Authoritative Well that's it, you know, my my niche as
Speaker 1: it were. And I'm glad I had one, because I
Speaker 1: was always glad that the industry seemed to know what
Speaker 1: to do with me. My my my niche was men
Speaker 1: in authority, and I would say probably eighty percent of
Speaker 1: that was a guy in uniform, and eighty percent of
Speaker 1: that was a policeman or a security guard. And I
Speaker 1: played the high school principles and principal coaches and you know,
Speaker 1: lawyers and fire man.
Speaker 4: That came in many forms, but it always seemed to
Speaker 4: the man in uniform, the man who the man with
Speaker 4: the plan, never a damsel in distress.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we choose some of the same dirt there
Speaker 1: a few times, or David, you know, getting you out
Speaker 1: of trouble, that's right, that's right. Absolutely all those years ago, guys,
Speaker 1: it's been wow.
Speaker 2: I know you were with us from the beginning nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six, ninety six, yeah, nineteen ninety six, and I
Speaker 2: just always loved when you came on. It was always
Speaker 2: so fun you You always were so bright and cheery
Speaker 2: and such so much fun to work with and we
Speaker 2: were always grateful to have you. What was that experience
Speaker 2: like for you? Like Pop? Coming on to the.
Speaker 1: Show in seventh heven was a blessing. It's a cliche,
Speaker 1: but it was a godsend, you know, And you're talking
Speaker 1: about a guy. I mean in ninety six, I was
Speaker 1: already well I've been acting since I was a kid,
Speaker 1: but I'd already been a SAG for thirteen years, right. Uh.
Speaker 1: Ninety six was a year I was vested for my
Speaker 1: SAG pension. And it was weird because you know, you
Speaker 1: need at least I don't know what it is now,
Speaker 1: but you need ten years at that time. So my
Speaker 1: but I was still working in a survival job and
Speaker 1: when I got my letter, I said, wow, you mean
Speaker 1: I had a career. And then that's the year seventh
Speaker 1: even started, So you know, it was nothing but a blessing.
Speaker 3: After that, you know, what did you do as a kid, Well, let's.
Speaker 1: See here, Well I just had a normal childhood.
Speaker 3: Okay, but you said, I thought you said you'd been
Speaker 3: acting since you.
Speaker 1: Were Oh what did I do? Just local stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Theater I wasn't when I say I started in eighty three.
Speaker 1: That was when I joined sag. That's when my professional
Speaker 1: career started. But before then I was always acting the
Speaker 1: normal stuff, but anytime I could find something local that
Speaker 1: somebody wanted to use me in. You know, I did
Speaker 1: my first feature film back in Indianapolis. It's all local stuff.
Speaker 3: But you were fairly young when you knew that that
Speaker 3: was what you wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's weird because it was the only thing
Speaker 1: I ever wanted to do.
Speaker 5: Is anyone else in your family, you know, in the
Speaker 5: arts in that way or otherwise.
Speaker 1: I have a brother that's an artist in Minnesota. He
Speaker 1: draws billboards.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean draws them by hand.
Speaker 2: Wow, that takes a while.
Speaker 1: Amazing how you can draw something on that scale and
Speaker 1: have it looked like have it looked like like it
Speaker 1: was a picture.
Speaker 3: That's incredible.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff he does. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 5: That's amazing just to me that people with such a
Speaker 5: broad variety of extreme talents were all the same species.
Speaker 5: But like, I can't imagine being able to do something
Speaker 5: like that right ever.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: I know, it's pretty amazing. You know. I've been playing
Speaker 1: guitar for a while, but I am an infant Uh,
Speaker 1: playing the guitar, it just gives me great or learning
Speaker 1: the guitar just gives me greater appreciation for the people
Speaker 1: that do it well. The stuff they do is nothing
Speaker 1: short of amazing.
Speaker 3: The more you know, the more you don't know.
Speaker 1: Hitting notes is one thing, but putting them together is
Speaker 1: another thing. And then they bend them and they slide
Speaker 1: them and it's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Really, how long have you been playing guitar.
Speaker 1: For on and about twenty years?
Speaker 3: Awesome acoustic or electric.
Speaker 1: People that do it really well. You know, you have
Speaker 1: people who have genius and they just sit down and
Speaker 1: pick that thing up and just whoo, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's true in every field really exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's always interesting when people come on
Speaker 2: and they're like, why is acting so easy for you?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I wouldn't say it's easy. I just
Speaker 2: feel like I don't really think all that much.
Speaker 3: It comes natural, a little bit more natural.
Speaker 2: But I think it's also I mean, I think there's
Speaker 2: also people on set too who like, don't really necessarily
Speaker 2: like it's it's a little bit harder, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit more learned. And I think even we spoke with
Speaker 2: George stult you good old George, And I think it
Speaker 2: was like it was things that he was saying, like
Speaker 2: you had to he had to learn it on set
Speaker 2: because it wasn't something innate, it wasn't something that he
Speaker 2: had the business. It was new. He was green, he
Speaker 2: was very we we discussed how many shades of green?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that. But for his first job
Speaker 1: he did well. He did well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that could be you didn't fire him,
Speaker 2: So you didn't fire him because you were you were
Speaker 2: his uh, you were his superior officer, and he never
Speaker 2: got rid of them.
Speaker 1: The day I had to fire him, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it was just like on Teenager when when Jack Pappus
Speaker 1: comes to me and says, hey, Coach, can I stay
Speaker 1: with you? I'm reading this script and I'm like, at
Speaker 1: further than I go? No, sure, Papas, come on down, man.
Speaker 4: How do you feel about the the like the development
Speaker 4: of Officer Michaels over time, Like we're discussing quickly, just
Speaker 4: how you you started off as as Officer Michael's friend
Speaker 4: of the family, and then over time you you made
Speaker 4: detective and eventually the chief of police of our community.
Speaker 4: And and how that I think kind of established the
Speaker 4: the amount of of like respect and love that we
Speaker 4: had for you and your character on the show. But
Speaker 4: like but that that your character got his own like
Speaker 4: uh like little sub storyline that that really arked over
Speaker 4: the entire series.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's called good, right, Yes, it's called Brenda Hampton.
Speaker 1: It's called basic good writing. Where you take characters and
Speaker 1: they have arcs. It's like you said, they grow, there's grow,
Speaker 1: grow and develop. Yeah, and they have fallacies, you know,
Speaker 1: they make mistakes and they transcend them. And that's what
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. These days, there's so much
Speaker 1: writing it's just not good. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're aware of it, but I watch a lot of
Speaker 1: One of the most entertaining things I watched these days
Speaker 1: is YouTube, and I like to watch what they they're
Speaker 1: referred to as trolls, and they basically their critics. They
Speaker 1: watched everything from so everything from everything going on to
Speaker 1: society to movies and music, and they're just absolutely hilarious
Speaker 1: and they're far more entertaining, I think, than most of
Speaker 1: the movies that they're putting out these days. And one
Speaker 1: of the big problems that aims to be recurring is
Speaker 1: that they just don't know how to write. They don't
Speaker 1: know about things like character arcs.
Speaker 4: Well, there's there's an interesting thing where there there's a
Speaker 4: trend I feel like in some media now where characters
Speaker 4: are are tried to people want characters that don't make mistakes,
Speaker 4: like characters that are benevolent and and are always on
Speaker 4: the right side of things. And without the miss without
Speaker 4: the characters making mistakes, there's nothing to grow from. There's
Speaker 4: no there's no place to go if you're always right.
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing interesting because being human, right is.
Speaker 1: You know, Superman is no good without ryptonite.
Speaker 4: True, Absolutely, you need your flaws and and and then
Speaker 4: exposing your flaws, but also, like you know, investigating them
Speaker 4: is what is interesting and and what and gives you
Speaker 4: a place to learn.
Speaker 1: From and try to transcend it, try to get over
Speaker 1: it and do better. That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that was also what was so
Speaker 2: fun about our show was also the gift that we
Speaker 2: had of eleven years to truly investigate our characters and
Speaker 2: develop and to grow and to fall down and to
Speaker 2: get back up, and each one of us and to
Speaker 2: also have to be able to have time because that's
Speaker 2: a gift because most times shows you don't know that
Speaker 2: you have that, which we didn't either. We always know we.
Speaker 1: Were lucky the right time, Yes, and hit right away.
Speaker 1: It was their only hit. I remember we started, We
Speaker 1: started getting reruns and residuals right away.
Speaker 4: It's right, Yeah, we were. We were picked up quickly
Speaker 4: by by a lot of by an audience that didn't
Speaker 4: have anything else like us to hold on to, Like
Speaker 4: if for the audience that loved our show, we were
Speaker 4: the only game in town for a long time.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean we're still kind of the only game in
Speaker 2: town for a lot of that audience who's still kind
Speaker 2: of rediscovering us too. Do you guys go ahead?
Speaker 1: Loved Yes, you know, I can only imagine what you
Speaker 1: guys must have gone through. But every time I went
Speaker 1: through the grocery store and stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sure, do you get recognized off?
Speaker 1: And now not as much? You know, in part because
Speaker 1: you know, the show has been gone so long, and
Speaker 1: I cut my hair and I colored my hair for
Speaker 1: five years, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, David cut his hair too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might see a little gray hair in my
Speaker 1: hair the first season, but after that, so you know,
Speaker 1: not as much, but sometimes you never know.
Speaker 2: It's always fun to it's always fun to hear the
Speaker 2: stories of how the show impacted people's lives. And and again,
Speaker 2: like you were, you were one of us, you were
Speaker 2: there the whole time. We you know, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 1: It really was. It was a godsend. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I can't I'll say that at time and time again,
Speaker 1: but it really was.
Speaker 5: You're just so warm too, honestly, like on the days
Speaker 5: that you were it did feel thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a great time, we really did.
Speaker 3: How did you been in kind to us?
Speaker 2: How did you think?
Speaker 4: That really feeds into by the way, the like those
Speaker 4: qualities that you have. It is no surprise to me
Speaker 4: that you've had you've built this career in the industry
Speaker 4: as as the man in uniform, as as a man
Speaker 4: with authority, because you're you're sort of this image of
Speaker 4: of the of the right man with authority, the good
Speaker 4: man with authority, uh, you know, and and so like
Speaker 4: you know, as opposed to people who kind of make
Speaker 4: their careers being like the corrupt villain or the corrupt
Speaker 4: politician or that you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know what to every time and time again. Throughout my career,
Speaker 1: I used to get from people, Oh yeah, you're always
Speaker 1: a cup, You're always a cup. You're you know what
Speaker 1: I say to him, I'm glad I'm the guy slapping
Speaker 1: the cuffs on him because I looked at I look
Speaker 1: when I look at movies like Minister Society and some
Speaker 1: of these others, I could if those, some of those
Speaker 1: roles were the things the only thing I was suitable for,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be an actor period.
Speaker 4: And I think that disposition is what kind of put
Speaker 4: you in the right place at the right time to
Speaker 4: be that kind of that the good cop figure and
Speaker 4: and the you know that the authority figure that you
Speaker 4: could trust and you have that that uh, that gentle
Speaker 4: soft spokenness, but but also that assuredness that comes with
Speaker 4: a good authority figure, someone you can feel safe.
Speaker 1: I certainly believed in it wholeheartedly, that's for sure. Well.
Speaker 2: And I think also Brenda obviously recognized that when you
Speaker 2: came on, and obviously is what kept you around. And
Speaker 2: Brenda also was really good like that, like if she
Speaker 2: loved you, you were there till the end, she would
Speaker 2: take care. And I think that was also what was
Speaker 2: so wonderful about our show is like we really took
Speaker 2: care of the people, of all of the people that
Speaker 2: we cared about, our guest stars, our crew, our cast, like.
Speaker 1: Started from the top. It did.
Speaker 2: It absolutely started from the top and she was.
Speaker 1: And it rolled down.
Speaker 2: I mean it rolled into another series. It even rolled
Speaker 2: into the like most of our cat our crew followed
Speaker 2: a suit.
Speaker 1: I've worked a lot of shows, Yes, I know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, and I can tell you a lot
Speaker 1: of shows, especially that ran a long time that I
Speaker 1: worked on, you were lost. I mean, even as a
Speaker 1: guest star, you had to fend for yourself. I'll give
Speaker 1: you an example. When I did Gray's Anatomy, I'm walking around,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting on a script to be sent to my house.
Speaker 1: They finally sent me to wardrobe the day before the
Speaker 1: shoot and I say, I never got a script, and
Speaker 1: they say, oh, go to production. Okay. So I go
Speaker 1: to production, I get the script. I look through it.
Speaker 1: It is completely different from what I auditioned for, and
Speaker 1: it's significant and I'm glad I got it when I did,
Speaker 1: or I wouldn't have been prepared the next day. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's a case of having to fend for yourself,
Speaker 1: because if I had waited, oh they're going to send
Speaker 1: me the script, if I had gotten it late that
Speaker 1: night or even the next day, if I wasn't prepared,
Speaker 1: nobody knows and nobody cares about anything other than I'm
Speaker 1: not prepared, right, Yeah, yeah, there's no excuse, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's why the day before I'm glad,
Speaker 1: I insisted, like, hey, do you have a script for
Speaker 1: me or not? You know, but that's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing you have to do when, especially in some of
Speaker 1: the shows that run longer, you just really have to
Speaker 1: fend for yourself. But Seventh Heaven was really good about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were. We were always very well organized. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody knew what was going on, and we like to
Speaker 2: think that we had a very friendly, warm set that
Speaker 2: was inviting.
Speaker 4: To I think it's something we deserve to be proud of.
Speaker 4: We had a we had a great set environment by
Speaker 4: and large, especially given how long we were around and
Speaker 4: you know how many people we had come through our doors.
Speaker 4: You know, I think we can be proud of that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I've been on shows where you go in excuse me,
Speaker 1: the transportation guy tells you don't use the bathroom, Oh goodness.
Speaker 1: And you know it's because he doesn't want to he
Speaker 1: does it. He's lazy. I'm going to be in like
Speaker 1: the last scene of the day and he's gonna want
Speaker 1: to pack up and leave. So he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: do his job. And he thinks I'm stupid enough to
Speaker 1: not somehow know that, and he actually think, don't use
Speaker 1: the bath what? And I mean it goes on and on.
Speaker 1: I once had an ad I'm not going to name
Speaker 1: the projects, but the guy was he had it. He
Speaker 1: he had he wanted to. He acted like he was
Speaker 1: wrangling cattle or something. All right, Christopher, let's go. He
Speaker 1: did it two or three times, and I had to
Speaker 1: tell him, hey, wait aute, wait a minute. Way, I
Speaker 1: had to call dress him down and say what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Why are you talking to me that way?
Speaker 1: But you know what, one thing I found, once again
Speaker 1: from being a business as loan, A lot of people
Speaker 1: who are behind the scenes start as actors, and they
Speaker 1: hate actors because they didn't have what it took, whatever
Speaker 1: it was, they didn't have what it took to make it.
Speaker 1: But instead of getting into another business altogether, they stay
Speaker 1: in the business and a lot of them are just absolute.
Speaker 1: They had the worst attitudes in the world. And I
Speaker 1: know that because, you know, I didn't start out as
Speaker 1: a guest star or anything. I know what it's like
Speaker 1: to be the guy that's got a couple of lines
Speaker 1: and then people want to pick on you, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the crew members are like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think there's something to be said
Speaker 2: for like kind of working your way up, so then
Speaker 2: when you finally get your chance, you definitely understand that
Speaker 2: this is not the norm. This is you had to
Speaker 2: work hard for it.
Speaker 1: And absolutely it's funny.
Speaker 5: I had an experience working on a movie where like
Speaker 5: the camera or the like the eighty Department, they didn't
Speaker 5: want to learn any any of the actors' names. Granted
Speaker 5: we're shooting together, we're all together for like a month, right,
Speaker 5: and they called everybody by their characters' names, And I
Speaker 5: was like.
Speaker 1: Why do you do that.
Speaker 5: He's like, well, yeah, we're so many of you, it's
Speaker 5: hard for me to keep tracking.
Speaker 3: I'm like, so many of us, there are like five.
Speaker 5: Of us on this whole movie, and they're like fifty
Speaker 5: of you, and we can remember your name. This is
Speaker 5: like what I said. It was just like you can't
Speaker 5: be bothered to learn five new names. But but what
Speaker 5: am I gonna call you? A?
Speaker 1: D okay? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I have had a good crew, did We had
Speaker 2: the best crew? I think our crew was It was
Speaker 2: very clear to all of us that what made our
Speaker 2: show magical wasn't just the seven of us in front
Speaker 2: of the camera. It was the entirety of the crew
Speaker 2: that was behind us, the backbone, our spine, and you know,
Speaker 2: so many of them became our family. And I think
Speaker 2: we were also so blessed that we didn't have a
Speaker 2: crazy amount of turnover. We had consistency and longevity which
Speaker 2: was also which was great. And also with our guest stars,
Speaker 2: like that's what was We had people like we have
Speaker 2: our constants that would come back. So it was always
Speaker 2: so special.
Speaker 5: Casting department also to thank a little bit for that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah the first time, yes, exactly. So what are you doing?
Speaker 3: What are you doing these days?
Speaker 1: Oh? Taking it easy? Good? Yeah, pretty much retired. I
Speaker 1: retired in twenty fifteen, you know, but I like it
Speaker 1: just kind of kicking it back and taking it.
Speaker 3: Easy, you are days outside of guitar, what other just.
Speaker 1: Taking care of myself, you know, staying off the freeway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you right now.
Speaker 2: That's okay, we understand.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm glad you do. But it really forty plus
Speaker 1: years of every time I get on that freeway. Man,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm going to war.
Speaker 2: NIC's a bit like agree, And I mean we moved
Speaker 2: so yeah, that's right. Yeah, so you can only take
Speaker 2: so much exactly.
Speaker 1: But you know what, if I hadn't been here all
Speaker 1: this time, if I hadn't grown up in Indiana dreaming
Speaker 1: about living in California, I would probably move to But
Speaker 1: hopefully there won't be any reason. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I agree that you have to have lived somewhere else,
Speaker 5: I think to appreciate appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And I came from New York, as did I. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: did you grow up in New York?
Speaker 4: Yeah, my family moved out here the year we did
Speaker 4: the pilot Seventh Heavens. So when I came out to
Speaker 4: California with my family, I'd been out here a few
Speaker 4: times before that. But but my family made the move blind,
Speaker 4: like we didn't. I didn't have the show or anything,
Speaker 4: and we moved out here in that year we we
Speaker 4: shot the pilot for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I lived, I grew up in Indiana, and then
Speaker 1: I moved to New York. And I was in New
Speaker 1: York for four years and that's where I kind of
Speaker 1: got started with my professional career, and then I moved
Speaker 1: out here. But I sometimes say that living in New
Speaker 1: York was that was kind of like living in hell,
Speaker 1: because coming to California was like Heaven makes me appreciate
Speaker 1: that California more. Absolutely, they are.
Speaker 4: They are very different in many ways. No, that's all right,
Speaker 4: They're very different in many ways. But but they also
Speaker 4: and there's they have their similarities as well. But it's
Speaker 4: interesting like they they've they've become so opposite of each
Speaker 4: other that they start to meet on the other side.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, there's just no way I could have
Speaker 1: stayed in New York.
Speaker 2: God, you worked. You worked with all of us through
Speaker 2: the seasons. I think once we all got in trouble
Speaker 2: or or needed help at some point. Was there any
Speaker 2: like stand I think I did? I definitely there was.
Speaker 1: Lucy got in trouble one.
Speaker 2: Lucy definitely got in trouble. She's not perfect, she was
Speaker 2: not nearly. Were there any like standout storylines or funny
Speaker 2: stories that you remember?
Speaker 1: Okay, the first one it's not funny. Nothing doors but change.
Speaker 1: Yeah you remember that one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, speaking of Lucy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that one. There was the one living out
Speaker 1: here in the valley. I take a lot of times.
Speaker 1: I take bawbo of Boulevard and I'll never forget our
Speaker 1: slow speed chase with oh yeah, Boulevard that that's used
Speaker 1: because there's no stoplights. That's where we filmed it, and
Speaker 1: it's very it's kind of famous because a lot. It's
Speaker 1: used a lot for that reason, and I use it
Speaker 1: to get to and from my house a lot from
Speaker 1: the freeway, and every time I go down a section
Speaker 1: about Boulevard, I remember, look at it, David, what were
Speaker 1: you thinking.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to get to that one in the rewatch, honestly,
Speaker 4: because that's that's one of the episodes that I had
Speaker 4: completely forgotten about until we started reviewing the show again
Speaker 4: and and then I was like, Wow, that one. It
Speaker 4: was so funny and like and ridiculous and not something
Speaker 4: I think you could kind of do these days, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. It's not a joke that would work,
Speaker 4: I guess in the context of today, but it was.
Speaker 4: It was a great funny episode for it's really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, poor Graham Jarvis. Yeah with Graham.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, another incredible.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of them. If I if I
Speaker 1: think about it, I'm sure I'll come up with more.
Speaker 4: And the slow speed car chase, I said something like,
Speaker 4: if I pull over, my life is over.
Speaker 1: There was another one where we were working together David
Speaker 1: and and Ashley Simpson was in it, and I forget
Speaker 1: what happened, but I had a I had. I had
Speaker 1: a few lines with her at the top of the
Speaker 1: scene and then she walks off and I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: you because I want to talk to you, and she
Speaker 1: walks off, and I'm just kind of doing what's this
Speaker 1: kind of thing? And I go as she walks off,
Speaker 1: I just kind of go. I just catch myself and like,
Speaker 1: oh you, Sergeant Michael, shouldn't be checking out Simon's girlfriend,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I tried not to do it,
Speaker 1: but when I looked at it, I did it. For
Speaker 1: just a second. I think about that sometimes.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. We love those stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, found there on Exposition Off expedition. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: went back and visited.
Speaker 4: It's it's our old building is now a post house
Speaker 4: for for editing and stuff. It's it's a new a
Speaker 4: new lease on life. So yeah, we we went and
Speaker 4: checked out the old stomping grounds.
Speaker 1: Chick out your show. How long have you guys been
Speaker 1: on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been like almost a year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all the time this happens.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, definitely. So you went back to the
Speaker 1: old stage.
Speaker 2: We did well and it's been it was fun to
Speaker 2: We also went to the house and.
Speaker 4: We went to the church as well. Ye, we went
Speaker 4: back to some of our old, our old regular spots
Speaker 4: to check them out again, see what they're Yeah, the church.
Speaker 1: I used to pass by that, at least the exterior
Speaker 1: a lot on Victory I think it was on Victory
Speaker 1: in cold Water.
Speaker 2: I think it's exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to pass by that a lot.
Speaker 3: They were very nice and there it looks a woman
Speaker 3: who was there I'd been there when we were shooting
Speaker 3: was yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: There was still one lady who was at the church
Speaker 4: who had remembered our time there, but everyone else there
Speaker 4: was new, including the pastor and everything, and so you know,
Speaker 4: it was it was interesting to go back and see
Speaker 4: the old space that we spent so much time in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that. I'm glad you guys did this.
Speaker 2: It's fun. It's been as much as it's for the fans,
Speaker 2: it's also been wonderful for us because we've.
Speaker 1: Well I'm glad you you just you thought of me
Speaker 1: man and made me a part of it.
Speaker 2: How can we not think of you? Of course, I
Speaker 2: mean you you were a huge part.
Speaker 4: You were one of the icons of our show. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: I think we had so much fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you, David.
Speaker 2: We absolutely did, and we're so grateful for you to
Speaker 2: take the time out and to do this with us.
Speaker 1: Oh anytime, I like I said, I would like to
Speaker 1: been there, but I appreciate your understanding.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: I mean, thanks for technology.
Speaker 2: You are not the only one we have. Well, we
Speaker 2: have a few people that are joining us remotely, but
Speaker 2: you know what all we care about is getting to
Speaker 2: see your faces. So we are fine with it. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm going to spread the word and get some people
Speaker 1: to start watching you.
Speaker 2: Yes, please do let us know. Yeah, let people know. Sorry,
Speaker 2: and thank you very much for joining us. This has
Speaker 2: been so fun. You are awesome. And catch us next
Speaker 2: episode on Catching Up with the Campdens.
Speaker 1: And look look in your comments section because I'll probably
Speaker 1: be talking to you.
Speaker 2: Please, yes, and do all the likes and the put
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Speaker 1: Can maybe post things to you.
Speaker 2: You can do all your trol if you want to. Yes,
Speaker 2: I would love to hear your critty. Yes, I would
Speaker 2: love to hear your critiques and tell us what you think.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, it's great to see you, Chris. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
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