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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, the one and only, and Matt, it's Wednesday

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. This is the practice field today, and lo

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Speaker 2: and behold won Kenneth Pickett.

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Speaker 3: Nice. Nice, that's great, taking snaps great, that's good, good news.

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Speaker 3: No restrictions that you're aware of, I mean, I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean he didn't take.

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Speaker 2: All the snaps. And he's wearing a brace on his knee.

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Speaker 2: He said that that's he's just wearing it for practices,

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Speaker 2: just to kind of add a little extra support. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: think he would have to wear it on Sunday. We'll

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Speaker 2: see it depends how it fields. But he says he's

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Speaker 2: good to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's not a knock on Mitch. I mean

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Speaker 3: their production was sort of similar last year when they played.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, he's a good backup, but you

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Speaker 3: got to get Kenny out of this funk, and you

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Speaker 3: need him to play, and he's you know, he's your

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Speaker 3: starting quarterback and he's the guy that people are looking

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Speaker 3: to and it's time to step up.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's time to be that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know what do you so this is now the

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Speaker 2: third time that he will have prepared to face the

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Speaker 2: Baltimore Pavements. Do you think that could help bring him

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Speaker 2: out of this a little bit? He's a very familiar opponent,

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Speaker 2: a team that he's played again, prepared to play now

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Speaker 2: three times, even though the first time around he got

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Speaker 2: knocked out of that game early in the game. Whole

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Speaker 2: week he went through the preparation process for preparing for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so, because I mean in his career,

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Speaker 3: they've had the same defensive coordinator, you know, so it's

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Speaker 3: not like there's a massive changes.

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Speaker 2: And really a lot of the defensive personnel.

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Speaker 3: Have to say too. I'm sitting here thinking like Clowney

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Speaker 3: comes to mind. But other than that, there's not a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's still roque one, it's still pass a queen. You know,

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Speaker 2: we'll see if Humphrey plays this week. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: it's largely large of the same guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can't think that's a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, familiarity little you know, you're at home.

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Speaker 2: Just understanding what they're trying to do against you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I remember they came after me this way.

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Speaker 3: I mean we game planned accordingly, and boy, we really

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Speaker 3: picked that stuff up or we weren't aware of that,

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Speaker 3: or you know, I mean with all the stuff that

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Speaker 3: every comes with every game.

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Speaker 2: And even from a confidence level, you know, having driven

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Speaker 2: the field against them down there in the closing minutes

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Speaker 2: of that game, you want to win that game, like, oh, I.

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Speaker 3: Beat these guys, I beat these guys. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 3: there's something to be said for that. I think that

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Speaker 3: might be as important as a familiarity is. Like last

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Speaker 3: time I saw him, I beat them in their play

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Speaker 3: in their building. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think you know that that could play well. Matt

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Speaker 2: Nagie Harris today, I'm prompted, said had just to say.

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Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with coaches, just players. We

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Speaker 2: all have to play better. We can't keep looking at

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Speaker 2: the coaches as an outlet or whatever. You all being

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Speaker 2: meeting the media and I guess by proxy, the fans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess everybody keep putting.

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Speaker 2: Out there as outlets. That's just stupid what you all

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of respect for Harris you know,

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Speaker 3: like he outspoken, beats to his own drum, whatever you

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Speaker 3: want to say. I mean, he he's very competitive, you know.

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Speaker 3: They always look at him as a leader, going back

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Speaker 3: to his Bama days. Obviously not the easiest upbringing in

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Speaker 3: two ago? I love that he went to his offensive

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Speaker 3: lineman and said, what do you guys like? It doesn't

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Speaker 3: I thought that was, you know.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk let's talk about this and let's seea And

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Speaker 2: people took that to mean while they he said they

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Speaker 2: People took that to mean they they threw up these

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Speaker 2: new guy, Isaac sam Malu. When I'm running this player,

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Speaker 2: or when you block this how are you blocking? Where

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Speaker 2: do you where do you want me to cut off.

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Speaker 3: Of what's easier for you? I went off your you know,

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Speaker 3: to be a little more patient behind the line till

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Speaker 3: you get to the second level. You know there's setting

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Speaker 3: up your blocks is a real thing. And the familiarity

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Speaker 3: with the back and the lineman, so a couple of things.

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Speaker 3: I reference this a lot, and I urge everyone to

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Speaker 3: check it out. Every Thursday nights, Mike pursued a Meryl

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Speaker 3: Hodge and I do a show. And Merrill's brought this

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Speaker 3: up often this year for a good reason. He said,

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Speaker 3: when I was a player, we had when things were

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Speaker 3: going bad, we went back to two or three runs,

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Speaker 3: not passes fountain, I forget what he called them again, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we practiced them and we got those right, and

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Speaker 3: then we went from there. You know. And I always

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Speaker 3: using the example of the cheesecake factory menu, like would

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Speaker 3: you rather go to the the mom and pop Italian

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Speaker 3: place It only makes three or four things, but they

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Speaker 3: make it incredibly well, or do you want nine thousand

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Speaker 3: things on the menu and all of them are okay?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, go back to what

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Speaker 3: you repped most in training camp, mini camp. You know

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Speaker 3: your bread and butter, And I do think they start

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Speaker 3: to do more of that with their run game, and

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Speaker 3: that makes all the sense in the world. Another thing

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Speaker 3: their non offensive linemen haven't blocked well enough, and no

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Speaker 3: one ever thinks about that. No one wants to blame

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Speaker 3: Alan Robinson and Calvin Austin for running game problems. Friar

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Speaker 3: to be. I mean, he can handle big body point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this stuff on the move has been a little Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: You know, you got to pick up, you got to

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, But I don't think the receivers have

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Speaker 2: Despite that, Harris is getting more chunk runs than he's

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Speaker 3: I think he's healthier than he's ever been. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: maybe ever been. But there's no issues there. He's spry

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Speaker 3: getting getting downhill and looking to inflict pain and some

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Speaker 3: of the numbers. I mean, I retweeted something today. They

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Speaker 3: His numbers are way better this year than either one

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Speaker 3: to Meryl, Meryl said a hundred times and I asked

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Speaker 3: him flat out, I'm like, how much do you blame

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Speaker 3: the ballcarriers for the running back problems? He goes last

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Speaker 3: on the list and I agree, said great, yea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And to me right now, what's going on

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Speaker 2: with the Steelers is more of a player issue than anything.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of spots where the play has not

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Speaker 3: been good enough. I watched I was a little late

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Speaker 3: the All twenty to defense last night. The whole secondary

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Speaker 3: not named Minca should not be proud of what they put.

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Speaker 3: Did not tackle well, didn't tackle well, didn't cover well.

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Speaker 3: They're non especially athletic group MINCA. You can see what

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Speaker 3: they're doing with Minca is well. Michae Lombardi always uses

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like a fireman out there. So except

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Speaker 2: the fires keep cropping up all over the place, and

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Speaker 3: Michael Lombardi always uses this three stooges reference. You know,

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Speaker 3: they're in the boat and Minca plugs one hole and

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Speaker 3: it wasn't for him, they'd let up sixty points a game,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean like that, Well, we're struggling on

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Speaker 3: outside run to the right. Put Manca there, We're struggling

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Speaker 3: on this. Put Maca there, you know, or this tight

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Speaker 3: the secondary didn't show well.

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Speaker 2: No, and that's one key, one of my big keys

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Speaker 2: and Flowers, Flowers is averaging six point one yards per

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Speaker 2: pass attempt average depth target. That's the most, or that's

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Speaker 2: the fewest for any guy. It's the third fourth fewest

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Speaker 2: like the other guys who were ahead of them are

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Speaker 2: like Jackson Smith and Jigba, you know, true slot type

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Speaker 3: They're not the one.

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Speaker 2: Andrews is at six point seven yards. And while that's

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Speaker 2: not bad for tight ends, if that's your two main

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Speaker 2: pass catchers as a defense, you better tackle the catch.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, agree, you'll see. I mean, they're always gonna

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Speaker 3: run RPOs with Lamar, but the p of it is

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Speaker 2: Quick. You know, he's averaging. I just wrote this today and.

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Speaker 3: He's really good after the catch. I mean, we loved

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Speaker 2: So right now Jay Flowers is at let me dig

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Speaker 2: this out here because I just wrote all this today.

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Speaker 2: This will be a part of five for Friday. He

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Speaker 2: is averaging or he has twenty four receptions for two

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Speaker 2: average average in ten yards of catch, but he has

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Speaker 2: a fifty two yarder in there.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a long one.

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Speaker 2: You take the fifty two yarder out of the equation.

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Speaker 2: He's averaging eight point four yards per catch. Yeah, as

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Speaker 3: And he's not a typical and he doesn't look like

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Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs.

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Speaker 2: He's running more Deontay Johnson type stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a little gadgety too, like no hand it

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Speaker 3: to him here and there. I mean gadgety is the

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Speaker 3: wrong word, because he's a weapon, you know, and he'll.

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Speaker 2: Run him behind the quarterback before the snap and then

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Speaker 2: they get him running towards the screens and you.

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Speaker 3: Know that type of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot of that. You'd better be

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Speaker 3: I mean Bateman and Beckham are out routes post routes,

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Speaker 2: There's there like he's he's completing seventy three percent of

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Speaker 3: To you exactly exactly, and I think part of it

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Speaker 3: They had a really good game play. Yeah, so their

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Speaker 3: They really did the tight end that I never heard of.

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Speaker 2: They're not running like when Gus Edwards is in the

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Speaker 2: Well, they're they're they're running their offense, he said, But

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wonder. Obviously the Steelers will watch the

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Speaker 3: I wonder even though I mean, like last year the

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Speaker 3: I'm going with this is take your edge guys and

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Speaker 2: You could put them wider, You could stack them, You.

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Speaker 3: Could stack them. The problem if you put them wider

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Speaker 3: I mean you sacrifice something like well, why would you

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Speaker 2: I mean that would I would, I would play with

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Speaker 2: I would stack them at times behind the defensive end

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Speaker 3: Or maybe you're stunting Watt inside more and you know

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's one place where they really miss cam

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Speaker 3: Absolutely they missed him a lot now.

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Speaker 2: Because you know he and he and high Smith run

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's one thing that Ravens have always tried

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Speaker 3: Like you said, you take the cheese and someone's given

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Speaker 2: Absolutely So again, you know, I just wonder about this,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they've ran into him somewhere in their career.

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Speaker 3: He's been around a long long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but not in this defense and not you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not twice a year, right, right? I mean, and

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Speaker 3: You know, Lamar has not faced the Steelers as much

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Speaker 3: as you think, but still they're there's an obvious trend

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Speaker 2: Can't bring you can't. It's what Mike Tomlin talked about

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 3: And nobody moves like him too, you know, like there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't replicate the speed on the edge. I

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Speaker 3: He's got he's got them.

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Speaker 2: Most running backs aren't as fast.

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Speaker 3: As they don't accelerate like most.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they're just a different and they're and

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Speaker 2: The key is the key is hemming him in and

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Speaker 2: and that's that's where you know, playing young defensive linemen again,

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Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna beat you for a fifteen yard run

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Speaker 2: before you can even blink.

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Speaker 3: Or quarterback draw as deadly. You know that type of

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Speaker 3: thing too, no question. I mean so they're a unique challenge.

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Speaker 3: They always have been. Even I don't care who their

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Speaker 3: coordinator is or what they do. There just aren't many

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Speaker 3: players in the world like him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we'll continue talking about this game because a

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Speaker 2: fascinating matchup is it is is. But we'll do that

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Speaker 2: in the next segment. He is Matt Williamson. I am

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Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive. You're on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And Matt, you mentioned the the Ravens defense there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't think real hard into that yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, looking at what they do defensively this year, they're

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Speaker 2: not blitzing nearly as much as they have in years

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Speaker 2: past three. But what they are doing, they may only

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Speaker 2: be sending four, but it's figuring out which.

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Speaker 3: Four they're really good at it. So do you know

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Speaker 3: that I forgive me, I forget their defensive coordinator's name,

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Speaker 3: but McDonald I think McDonald kah, because what he was

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Speaker 3: kind of an interesting story is two or three years

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Speaker 3: ago he was on the Ravens staff with Wink Martindale

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Speaker 3: as a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like the defensive assistant or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was not a GA, but I

465
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Speaker 3: think he was a quality, controlled guy or so, I

466
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Speaker 3: mean up and coming bright. So I always get John

467
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Speaker 3: and Jim mixed up. The Ravens head coach calls his

468
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Speaker 3: brother Jim is Michigan. Jim Michigan yeah, and says, hey, Jim,

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Speaker 3: we got a young, up and coming stud for you.

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Speaker 3: But we all Wink Martindale here, he's kind of hitting

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Speaker 3: his head on the ceiling. He can't advance. Why don't

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Speaker 3: you take him and make him your defensive coordinator? For

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Speaker 3: the Wolverines. He does. They're really really good, and basically

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Speaker 3: Jim rents them for a year, sends him back to Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: They get rid of Wink, who was the most aggressive

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Speaker 3: guy you'll ever see. I mean, like Wink.

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Speaker 2: Has coming off the bus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and more defensive backs on the field than any

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Speaker 3: team in the league. Still with the Giants, a lot

480
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Speaker 3: of man. You know, they had Peters and Humphrey in

481
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Speaker 3: those days and put those guys on islands and blitzed

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Speaker 3: like crazy. Well McDonald doesn't see it that way. I

483
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Speaker 3: mean he's much more rush for they don't have the

484
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Speaker 3: corners as good as they did in the day, but

485
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Speaker 3: he's really good at disguising it. So yeah, I noticed

486
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Speaker 3: this from the last game and made note of it.

487
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Speaker 3: All their defensive linemen ends, d tackles, knows whatever, and

488
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Speaker 3: they were winning big. They had a bunch of them.

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Speaker 3: Nobody played more than fifty six percent of the snaps,

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Speaker 3: so they got they don't have a star, they don't

491
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Speaker 3: have Bosa, they don't have Crosby, So you wouldn't think

492
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Speaker 3: this philosophy would work that well. And it sure helps

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Speaker 3: when you play rookie quarterbacks and Burrow they can't move

494
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Speaker 3: and shout in his first game and all that, of course,

495
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Speaker 3: but he's great at keeping guys fresh, using a lot

496
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Speaker 3: of different bodies and using them well, playing to their strengths.

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Speaker 3: But better than that is his simulated pressure, like overload.

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Speaker 2: A side, Yeah, and only two guys will come, and

499
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Speaker 2: then they'll have one guy will come and three will

500
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Speaker 2: drop out in two the three guys are coming from

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Speaker 2: the other side. Things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: You'll see offensive lineman blocking nobody, which means somebody has

503
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Speaker 3: to block two usually, you know, I mean, like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just they throw a lot on your plate mentally,

505
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Speaker 3: you know. And I don't think the Steelers O line

506
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Speaker 3: handled that stuff well last week.

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Speaker 2: They did not. Yeah, the Ravens are actually playing nickel

508
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Speaker 2: eighty eight point eight percent of the time. That's the

509
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Speaker 2: second highest rate in the league. I assume Buffalo is

510
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Speaker 2: number one.

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Speaker 3: Probably, I don't think they They're in.

512
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Speaker 2: Their base nine point seven percent of the time with

513
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Speaker 2: four defensive backs. That's twenty seventh in the league. You

514
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Speaker 2: would think with all the defensive back injuries that they

515
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Speaker 2: that they have that wouldn't be the case. Yeah, but

516
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Speaker 2: they're they're playing a ton of Nickel, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting there thinking that makes time. I mean, they

518
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Speaker 3: played four teams that makes a ton of sense in

519
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Speaker 3: the world against the Bengals, Bengals living eleven, right, But

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Speaker 3: the Browns don't the as we saw Houston doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they were playing a ton of basic

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Speaker 2: against Houston.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Houston comes out with blocking tight ends and

524
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Speaker 3: fullbacks and even the Browns do as well. And Indie

525
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Speaker 3: is not going to spread you out and throw it

526
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Speaker 3: all over place either, So that's what they want to do.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that you see said, they're heavy Nickel, Right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Man coverage thirty four point two percent of the time,

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Speaker 2: that is ninth most in the league. Of Steelers are eighth.

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Speaker 3: And then you don't think people think man heavy is

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Speaker 3: like eighty percent of the time.

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Speaker 2: No, man heavy's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah one third, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Zone coverage sixty five point eight percent of the time,

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Speaker 2: that's twenty fourth in the league. But it's a lot

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Speaker 2: of single high man and single high.

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Speaker 3: Marcus Williams is really good at that forty.

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Speaker 2: One point two percent of the time. Actually not as much,

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Speaker 2: I should say use at the time they're in single high,

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Speaker 2: which is twenty ninth in the league. Uh, forty six

541
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Speaker 2: percent of the time they're playing too deep.

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Speaker 3: They also played with a lot of leads. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: that's definitely noteworthy. But I wonder if they get in

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Speaker 3: the dogfight that's twenty twenty in the fourth quarter, are

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Speaker 3: you still doing that or not? I don't know that answer,

546
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Speaker 3: but it's easy to say we'll be too high when

547
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Speaker 3: Burrow's coming back and they're down twenty or whatever, you

548
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Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I don't know what the

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Speaker 3: take of that number without studying the tape, but that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Their blitz rate, as I mentioned, they're twenty six point

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Speaker 2: three percent. That's twentieth in the league for a team

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Speaker 2: that you know, when Winke Martindale was there.

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Speaker 3: They were always first. Yeah, they were first.

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Speaker 2: They blitched more than the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, back in the Jorn Blitzberg times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so they were bringing it from all over

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Speaker 2: the place and zero zero blitz and just you know everything.

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Speaker 3: So a couple of their players are very noteworthy too.

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Speaker 3: Is I mentioned Merrill Hodge last you know, last segment

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Speaker 3: we kind of a running Jadavian Clowney joke, but this

561
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Speaker 3: team has him playing maybe the best of his career.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's he's inconsistent, of course, but he doesn't

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Speaker 3: play a time.

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Speaker 2: He's not playing a toime.

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Speaker 3: He's not playing a time right Brown's learning them out

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Speaker 3: there all the time and that's when you get the

567
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Speaker 3: brain farts and all that stuff. But they're keeping him

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Speaker 3: fresh and they're doing what he likes to do. Rokwan

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Speaker 3: Smith is better than every linebacker not named Fred Warner

570
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Speaker 3: to me right now, I mean he's he's really stepped up.

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Speaker 3: He's playing phenomenal. And then their first round pick, Hamilton

572
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Speaker 3: we got, really got the short end of the stick.

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Speaker 3: Is a rookie. Like they didn't have a slot corner,

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Speaker 3: so they asked the six three six four two and

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Speaker 3: twenty five pound rookie safety to be their slot nickel,

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Speaker 3: you know, and really wasn't what he wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: Now they're kind of making them their Derwin James, you know,

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Speaker 3: where it does a lot of different stuff. The much

579
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Speaker 3: more talented version of Terrell Emans, you know, I mean

580
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Speaker 3: more of a strong but in that too high stuff,

581
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Speaker 3: he can handle that really well. He had three sacks

582
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Speaker 3: in one game. He's actually their leading sack guy, but

583
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Speaker 3: that's not his specialty. That was kind of a fluky thing.

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Speaker 3: But they get a couple really good players that you know,

585
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Speaker 3: pretty good players. I mean Rokwan's the strong strows a drink.

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Speaker 2: So what I I think, you know, when the Steelers

587
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Speaker 2: gonna throw the football in this game, and I do

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Speaker 2: think that they should come out and be aggressive because

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00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: Baltimore is they're not a big pressure team. They'll they'll

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Speaker 2: try to create it, you know, inorganically when I when

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Speaker 2: I say that they're not gonna blitz, but it's gonna

592
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Speaker 2: be coming from different places. It's gonna be hard to

593
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Speaker 2: figure out four guys, but it's gonna be which four guys.

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Speaker 3: It's very unpredictable.

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Speaker 2: But they've got all the injuries on the back end

596
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Speaker 2: of this thing they do they do. I'm not leaking

597
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Speaker 2: the bat. I mean, I'm having the back stay in.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be key in this game. Jayalen Warren and

599
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Speaker 2: Nausey Harris because if doesn't pick the line, doesn't pick

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Speaker 2: somebody up coming. If ifle Kyle Hamilton's coming off the edge,

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Speaker 2: your back better pick him up.

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Speaker 3: You got one thing the Steelers do do well. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: without questioning, Warren and Nausea I think are both definitely

604
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Speaker 3: plus pass protectors. Yeah. So I found a really interesting

605
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: thing about their run defense is we don't talk a

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Speaker 3: lot about zone based running versus man based running, but

607
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Speaker 3: and sometimes it's a little foggy. I mean, it's sort

608
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: of like zone and man in coverage. But think about

609
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: zone based running as five synchronized swimming elephants. All kind

610
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Speaker 3: of moving is one as opposed to I got that guy,

611
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Speaker 3: you got that guy in the blocking.

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Speaker 2: So watching Dumbo and the elephants all march out to this, yeah,

613
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Speaker 2: the right, or they march to the left.

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Speaker 3: So the league has figured out that no teams are

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Speaker 3: running zone on Baltimore. They're not running the man stuff

616
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Speaker 3: at all. They're the highest percentage.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland did have some success to on.

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Speaker 3: That they did.

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 3: They are the highest based zone defensive team. People run

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Speaker 3: zone two out of three times, and usually it's like

622
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. Yeah, and on man stuff they're only

623
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Speaker 3: giving up two point six yards per carry. But on

624
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Speaker 3: zone stuff that everyone's running the most, it's four point one.

625
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Speaker 3: I mean it's a noticeable jump.

626
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Speaker 2: Because you're running to the edge. Is you're getting away

627
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Speaker 2: from Roque.

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Speaker 3: I think that's some of it. I mean he's dangerous.

629
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Speaker 2: And make Kim shift through the garbage to get to

630
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Speaker 2: their running back and you're probably gonna have some success.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Steelers were very heavy zone last year. This

632
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 3: year they're about fifty to fifty. So I wonder if

633
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: you'll see more zone concepts because that's what everyone's been

634
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: doing to the rate. You know, it's been working to

635
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Speaker 3: some degree, you know.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's a copycat league.

637
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: And sure, you know if I know this, they know this,

638
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: you know, right, or thought they just found out. You

639
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: should tell them.

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00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: Anybody's over at the facility listening to the GURA, they

641
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: probably should.

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00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: It's on Steelers dot com.

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00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: Check it out right, Yeah, it's on the team website.

644
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Put it out there. If you look at their offensive numbers, Matt,

645
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: they're not like out out of this world or now

646
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: they or not. I mean, Lamar's averaging two hundred yards

647
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 2: passing per game. If you look at the a lot

648
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Speaker 2: of running. Still, their offensive pass EPA is sixteenth, their

649
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: offensive rush EPA is fifteen.

650
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Speaker 3: Is it?

651
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's kind of an average offense right now.

652
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: That surprisingly enough. It's the defense, Yeah, but it's so

653
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: much better. But that's because who they play who they've played. Yeah,

654
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: and it's you and I I know I said this.

655
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: I don't want lump you and if you didn't, But

656
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: of the eight units in the AFC North or four

657
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: offenses for defenses, I felt very confident that the Ravens

658
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: defense would be number eight. Well, I'm flat out little.

659
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Did we know that it would be the Bengals offense? Right?

660
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I mean, believe it or not.

661
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: People who are listening out there, Cincinnati's offense has been

662
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: worse than that of the Steelers.

663
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, without question. But it's been the

664
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: numbers wise, it's phenomenal. You know, the Ravens D and

665
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: it's way better than I thought. And I think it's

666
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: a coordinator on team.

667
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: Your defense is always your numbers are always going to

668
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: be skewed a little bit because you're not on the

669
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: field as much.

670
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: And they're rotating all these D lines. Everybody seems like

671
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: they're always fresh despite dealing with a lot of injuries.

672
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: The Ravens right now are built to kind of play

673
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: like the Ravens always are.

674
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: I don't think hardball's philosophy has changed much.

675
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: They want to keep it, you know, they want to

676
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: score in the twenties somewhere, and they want to keep

677
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: you in the teens.

678
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ideally, I emailed we were talking before, you know,

679
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: for the show we're doing tomorrow. What is their halftime

680
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: lead stuff is a big Ravens trait because they jump

681
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: on you early and they're really hard to play against

682
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: when you're losing at halftime. I mean, and it's held

683
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: up again this year. I mean, they're they're taking leads

684
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: into halftime over and over and over and pretty big ones,

685
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, So you can't allow that

686
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: to hap.

687
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: The one time that didn't happen was against Indianapolis in

688
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: Indianapolis beaning because they were able to stick with running

689
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: Zach Moss against them exactly. Moss had like thirty carries

690
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: in that game for it was like for one hundred

691
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: and twenty yards. It was very much like the you

692
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: know Pierce last week exactly. You just okay, you just

693
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: keep chipping away, chipping away, chipping away.

694
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: I don't even be Barry Sanders, you know, but if

695
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: the Steelers can do that and this game comes down

696
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: to a field goal or something along those lines, you

697
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: gotta get truck.

698
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: Don't make the big mistake.

699
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: Mistake.

700
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. You know, when people say they

701
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: want to see I just want to see Mitch Trubisky

702
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: out this there this week because Kenny Pickett's not playing

703
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 2: well in a vacuum. It's okay, I get it. I

704
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: get what you're saying. But the one thing that Kenny

705
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: Pickett has shown over and over again that Trubisky does

706
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: not is that he's a much more cautious quarterback.

707
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean Trubisky's history.

708
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: Trubisky's will make some risky throws.

709
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he can be more of a roller coaster. Yeah,

710
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: I mean his career.

711
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: I think think of the game last year when he

712
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: comes in to replace Picket against the Ravens. The Steelers

713
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: probably win that game if he doesn't throw three interceptions.

714
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah right, oh, no doubt.

715
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: I thought they were the better team that day, but

716
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Trubisky threw three interceptions.

717
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: So the Picket things interesting. I don't have mixed feelings

718
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: at all about do I want him to play or

719
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: not in this game. I definitely, definitely, definitely do. But

720
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: part of me thought, maybe we'll be able to identify

721
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: offensive problems different with a different quarterback, better or worse.

722
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: Or are they exactly the same or can they still

723
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: not run block? I mean things that are out of

724
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: pick of hands. And I also thought maybe mentally for

725
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: the younger player, two weeks off relax exhale might be

726
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: good for him, But I don't really think he's wired

727
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: that way. Yeah.

728
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: At the same time, he's got to buy next week,

729
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna get plenty of time to Yeah, that is

730
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: going to happen.

731
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: So even if they win by sixty year lose by

732
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: six years, that's coming.

733
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm with you there. I think, you know,

734
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: he needs as much continued in helmet perspective as he can.

735
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: Get and from the people that know him. And this

736
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: goes back to some of my pit people. He would

737
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: never I mean, he wants to be out there, he

738
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: wants to correct things. I mean, the competitiveness, the leadership

739
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: is really really strong. You know, he's if he can crawlwa,

740
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: he's gonna play.

741
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a tough guy.

742
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: He's a tough guy.

743
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but tough guys that only take you so far.

744
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you do still have to make the throws.

745
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: He was asked today and we'll hear the interview with

746
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: him today, but he was asked about the fourth down

747
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: play and he said, look, I I wish you know,

748
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: he was asked, what would you have done differently in

749
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: the place? I wish I would have stuck on Calvin

750
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: Austin just a little bit longer. You know, it opened up,

751
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: as did Hayward on the cross, or as did again.

752
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: The only thing he shouldn't have done is what he did. Yeah,

753
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 3: I've seen enough of the Pirouettes too, and it's starting

754
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: to be a little bit of a habit that he

755
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: needs a break.

756
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: He needs to Yeah, I don't. I'm not a big

757
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: huge fan of you know, we're just trying to throw

758
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: the football, turning your back on the defense.

759
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: It's not it's not high school. You know, you're not

760
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: the best best athlete on the field. There's eleven guys

761
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: trying to kill you that can really.

762
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: Move, and defenses pick up on that stuff.

763
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: You don't want any of those kind of tendencies. You know.

764
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: They know now you can fake the fake the spin

765
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: and the fake slide. Yeah, and go to the I'm

766
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 2: gonna fake and then run straight up the field. But yeah,

767
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: this this should be a fascinating match.

768
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't say it.

769
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of I've seen every Steelers Ravens

770
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: game since they've everyone, I've covered every one of them.

771
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

772
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: That's uh.

773
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: They have winning record against them.

774
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: They do. This will be the forty fourth time for

775
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: thirty fourth time, thirty fourth time that Mike Tomlin and

776
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh have coached against each other.

777
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: Okay, that is a second years older.

778
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: In your second most all time in league history for

779
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: two coaches.

780
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: Who's number one?

781
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: George hallis Curly Lambeau.

782
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: Say, nobody lasted in the apes.

783
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: One of them had to own the team to stick

784
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: around that the other one they named the field after.

785
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty good job security for those two. Yeah,

786
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: but yeah, Tom, that was right, not getting broken anytime,

787
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: my surprise people.

788
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: But Tomlin leads the series eighteen thirteen, sorry, eighteen fifteen,

789
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: eighteen fifteen, and the Steelers have won five in a

790
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: row against the Ravens.

791
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the last four of all come down to

792
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: a field goal or less.

793
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: Five in a row maybe it's fine.

794
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 3: I don't think it's five and five or last six.

795
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 3: I have it in five and the last six, whatever

796
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, but they have lately, they've had the streaks.

797
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: In recent years they have. They've handled the Ravens on

798
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: a pretty regular basis.

799
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: If you look at their whole career, as people would imagine,

800
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: there's not many streaks. No, no, I do that serious

801
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: thing and sometimes like Steelers dominated from nineteen seventy three

802
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: to nineteen yeah three.

803
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: You know, like there's none of that that doesn't happen

804
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: in this series. No, so it'd be it'll be fun

805
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 2: to watch. Supposed to be rainy, I don't I don't

806
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: know does that favor one team or the other?

807
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: These teams are the saying that way, you know what

808
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: I mean. They're building for typical Ravens Steeler and messy

809
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: as can be. I don't know. The way the Steelers

810
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: are playing messy it up is all you can.

811
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine with that. Typically, when when you do get

812
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: weather like that, it typically brings the high flying, high

813
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: powered offense down to the level of the other team.

814
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: I don't know that either one of these teams is

815
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: a high flying power offense.

816
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: I also think it, depending on field conditions, can affect

817
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: pass rush get off and that would hurt the two

818
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: Steeler edge guys more than their guys.

819
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: In my opinion, that would be the case but you know,

820
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: I think this is a game where nausey's a mutter. Yeah,

821
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: nause is a mutter. But ball handling and things of

822
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: that nature gets a little slick. If you're gonna do

823
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 2: a lot of r pos, yeah, yeah, that could get interesting.

824
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: Oh I hear you.

825
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of a lot of factors there.

826
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: And heway, we're gonna get to another break. He is

827
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the drive.

828
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,480
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829
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Speaker 2: And Matt, we got the uh, we got the the

839
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: practice reports. Though the practice reports are out good for

840
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: the Ravens.

841
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: I'm curious about Baltimore is more than Pittsburgh, to be honest.

842
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: We Shaan Bateman with the hamstring as a full participant.

843
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: Good for them.

844
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: Well Odell Beckham with the ankle limited. I bet he

845
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: doesn't play though.

846
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's a.

847
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: Muddy, wet track or whatever makes sense, probably doesn't play.

848
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: Justice Hill with the foot and now hamstring.

849
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: He's always has it was.

850
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: Remember it was the toe that was causing him trouble before,

851
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: which I assume is now the foot and now it's

852
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: a hamstring as well. He was limited. Marlon Humphrey was limited.

853
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: He hasn't played yet this year.

854
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: He has not played yet this year. Running Back Keaton

855
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: Mitchell he's on IR designated to return. Uh he with

856
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: the shoulder injury. He was a full participant.

857
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: Can't go Mitchell could be there?

858
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

859
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

860
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: Offensive tackle Morgan Moses with the shoulder did not practice.

861
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: That's our boy. Is the backup there?

862
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: Outside Linebackero did not practice.

863
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: Wow, and was already on IR or if he's out

864
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: for the year, but he's out for stretch. Those are

865
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: their two best. You know. It was talented as the

866
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: guys for sure.

867
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: Ronnie Stanley with the knee was a full participant.

868
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: Okay, that doesn't shock me. He didn't play last week.

869
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: I don't think right right?

870
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: He did not?

871
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: Right? Almost back? Yeah.

872
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: Safety Marcus Williams with the pectoral injury was a full participant.

873
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: He played last week.

874
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: Yes, he's back. Yeah.

875
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: And then safety Darryl Worley with the shoulder did not practice.

876
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: He was the one that got hurt in the game.

877
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So right tackle is a big deal, without

878
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: a doubt. I mean, that's the one. I think. That's

879
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: what I was most curious about because Moses left the game.

880
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: But you never know when they're up big, you know,

881
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 3: could he have been fine? You know, he's real solid.

882
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: I mean he's not great, he's a solid right tackle

883
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: and we know who he's that right tackle. That's the block,

884
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: you know, right, And so that's that's one I was

885
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 3: most curious about.

886
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: On the Steelers side of things, Presley Harvin did not practice.

887
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 3: You assume that he's back after the bye and not

888
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: until probably they've.

889
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: Officially listed Kenny Pickett as a limited participant. But that

890
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: just gives you the option.

891
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: Did they announce he's starting or did he He just said.

892
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: He's good to go, so there was no official announcement. Yeah,

893
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: Patrick Peterson did not practice. He was resting. That's a

894
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: he and Isaac sam Malo get the veteran treatment on that.

895
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: Sure.

896
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: Cole Holcombe with the back, was a limited participant.

897
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: I mentioned side note, I mentioned that I watched the

898
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: All twenty two last night. Holkemb played well. I mean,

899
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: I think Holcomb's the best linebacker they've had in a

900
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: couple of years, you know what I mean. He's turned

901
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: into a pretty solid player for them. Doesn't get that

902
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: kind of credit yet.

903
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: Dan Moore is out. He didn't practice obviously. Isaac I

904
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: mentioned sam Olo Chooks, a CORPS for with an elbow,

905
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: did not practice, but I don't think that's going to

906
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: be a deal. James Daniels, we talked about him yesterday.

907
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: He still got the groin. Did not practice, but again

908
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: I think that was because they were in pads.

909
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: Today, so you wouldn't push IM not going to push it. Okay.

910
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Friarmuth with the hamstring did not practice. He's not playing.

911
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: He's been declared out. And de Marvin Leal with the

912
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: concussion did not practice. He would need to get a

913
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: limited tomorrow and then a full participation on Friday to

914
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: b well.

915
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: Okay, So we always have these concussion discussions and the

916
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: concussion discussion, any concussion discussion, I have a friarmuth discussion though.

917
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: So obviously the earliest he can return is that the

918
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: game after the bye. They fear it could be longer though,

919
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: right No, oh, okay, okay, I don't know where I

920
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: read that there was three or four weeks, but he's

921
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 3: probably back after the bye.

922
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everything I heard was two to three weeks.

923
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: Okay, So anyway, this game he's out. They are almost

924
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: always in eleven or they're almost always in twelve. Do

925
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: you think that changes? Because Hayward and Washington is a

926
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 3: lot different than Washington and Well, they brought our guy,

927
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: Rodney Williams up as.

928
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: From the practice squad. He's more of a receiving tight

929
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: end though, but he can't block. This idea, Like, when

930
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: I tweeted out today that that they had brought him

931
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: up to the active roster, somebody tweeted, well, he can't block.

932
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: How would you know that? You saw him about six

933
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: plays in the preseason.

934
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: He was pretty impressive in camp. I thought, effort is

935
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 3: not a problem with this guy. Special teams. Yeah.

936
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: The other thing about it, he comes from an offense

937
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: in college that ran the ball almost exclusively.

938
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: I don't remember his college. It's it's he went to

939
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 3: a small school, right.

940
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: Like South Tennessee State or something like that, and they

941
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: not that, but it's it's a school people have heard of.

942
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: I can't remember. But they ran the ball. They were

943
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: like the sixth best rushing attack in college football his senior.

944
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: Year and they left. He was the best player out.

945
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: He was their best player. They ran ball.

946
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: I mean he's not eighty pounds. He's a thin, wasted

947
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure some people who have no idea who we're

948
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: even talking about. I bet he's two forty on a

949
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: good day. I mean, his lower body's not super thick

950
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: or strong. He's a longer, leaner guy, but he moves well.

951
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: Made play draw training. He made plays all through every

952
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: day when we were doing our play training camp. We

953
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: mentioned him every single day.

954
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and his blocking was not insufficient at camp.

955
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: I didn't think so, No, And.

956
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: The effort was strong. Run his feet and you know,

957
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: you know, I like the player a lot. Now that

958
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: you mentioned that he blocked so much in college, that

959
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: adds up might be like Southwest Missouri State, whatever I

960
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: think I remember seeing it too. That's why I didn't

961
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: remember one of.

962
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: The directional schools.

963
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: But I'm glad that he stuck around. Yeah, and I

964
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: didn't think he'd make the final roster, and plus Gentry

965
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: was in the mix at that point too, But I'm

966
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: glad he's an option.

967
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, uh, I don't mind that. Again,

968
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: if I've got to your point about if you're going

969
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: to run more out side zone stuff against I want

970
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: to get the move guys.

971
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: The guys are can get out there and move. Yeah,

972
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: I just wonder do you think Hayward's snap count spikes

973
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: a lot or do you think they maybe run less twelve?

974
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: I think you put him out there.

975
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's just different than Friarmoth.

976
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: Obviously he's different than Washington. Yeah, I mean because he's

977
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: more of the receiver, like you know, I just think

978
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: there's definitely a play. I mean, I think his snapcount

979
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: went up after Fiarmuth went out.

980
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what happened in that game too,

981
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: is by the time friar Mouth got hurt, they played

982
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: so much eleven trying to come back. Yeah. So I

983
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: mean some of these game script stuff screw up projecting.

984
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean friar Mouth got hurt on the play

985
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: on one play before the fourth down.

986
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: Play, so it was late.

987
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sorry, it was one play before the third

988
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: and two play. They got blown up earlier on the.

989
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: Previous drive, so that into the second half.

990
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: Is in the second half, Yeah, they were losing. Yeah,

991
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: so yeah, that's the injury report. We'll see how this

992
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: thing canntinues to.

993
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: Keep and high Morgan Moses develop.

994
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: That's a big one.

995
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: Checkout.

996
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big one. You get Stanley back, you

997
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: lose Moses.

998
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: They've had a lot of injuries, man, and the starters.

999
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: I just wonder, you know, if Marlon Humphrey does come back,

1000
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: he had a foot injury, what's his.

1001
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: You know, what's his Where's he at?

1002
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Where's he at with that? No preseason? You know,

1003
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: hasn't played a game yet this season.

1004
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: Like, if you're going to play against him, he's a

1005
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: very good player. You definitely want to play him on

1006
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: his first game back without I think, yeah, right, with

1007
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: the conditioning and just you know, spe the game and

1008
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: all those things.

1009
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,560
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1010
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,239
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00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,839
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