1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: and we here at Breaking Points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: it means the absolute world to have your support. What 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: are you waiting for? Become a premium subscriber today at 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Bristl Indeed, we do agreed to have Zager back in 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: the studio. All the gang is back together. Also, both 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: of our new producers are here behind the scenes in DC, 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: so very excited about that. Stay tuned. We will introduce 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: them to the world shortly. Lots of news in the 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: show today. For of all, there is actually a speaker 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: of the house now, Kevin McCarthy did win. We will 18 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: tell you how it happened. The near fight that broke 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: out on the way there, we'll show you that as well. 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: Also we'll do a deep dive and Soccer and I 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: are both looking at different angles of that in monologues 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: of exactly what the hardliners here won. So we've got 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: all of that covered for you. Also, the President visiting 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: the border for the first time since he has become president. Also, 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: there have been some big policy changes in terms of 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: the border and political fights to come, and massive violence 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: breaking out in Mexico as well, crazy images there that 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: we will bring you today. Big news that we didn't 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: want to miss in terms of labor contracts, the FTC 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: looking at banning non competes. This would actually be a 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: huge deal, so we'll break all of that down for you. 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: Chaos in Brazil. People are calling it a Brazilian January sixth. 33 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Of course it happened on January eighth. The aftermath of 34 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: that continuing to unfold. Also a bit of a hilarious 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: interview from NPR with Andrew Callahan over his new documentaries, 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Got that for you too. My apologies, my voice sounds 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: like crap. Sorry, don't worry about it. I'm feeling fine. 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: So we'll get through all of this. And before we do, 39 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: jump in though live show at Justin put it up 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: there on the screen. Austin, Texas, February third. We are 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: coming guys, we've got the tickets almost sold out there, 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: go ahead and buy them. We've got Crystal Crystal, myself 43 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: and friends that will all be joining us. We're gonna 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: do fun stuff while we're down there in Austin. I 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: think it's going to be a fantastic show. And you 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: guys agree, because almost all the tickets are sold, go 47 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: ahead and buy yours while you can. But with that, 48 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, yeah, just sort of hit me. It was like, 49 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: oh shit, this is less than a month. Way. Yes, yeah, 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: like give my plane tickets and get ready to go 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: and book my childcare and all that stuff. So the 52 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: time is upon us. Okay, let us start with mister McCarthy, 53 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: who is now Speaker of the House. Now, you guys 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: have been probably following this. We followed it closely last week. 55 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: Round after round of balloting. Ultimately he won on the 56 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: fifteenth round balloting. That is the most in one hundred 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: years or something like that. And it just seemed like 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: the twenty roughly Republicans who were against him were sort 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: of dead set. Ballot after ballot, no one was moving, 60 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: nothing was changing. President Trump weighed in and endorse mccarth. 61 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: That didn't really matter. All these negotiations were happening behind 62 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: closed doors, but finally Friday there seemed to be a breakthrough. 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: McCarthy was a meeting with some of the not never 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: Kevin but like probably not Kevin group and was able 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: to sort of move them, and Friday morning we had 66 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: a ballot where a bunch of them switched over and 67 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: we're voting for McCarthy. So late Friday night, they're coming 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: down to it. You have the last few holdouts, including 69 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: Matt Gates, who's kind of been a leader of this group. 70 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: Everybody's tired, everybody's exhausted, and the voting procedure is a 71 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: little bit complicated because you have to win a majority 72 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: of the people are there, and if you vote president, 73 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: it changes the numbers you need to get. Ultimately, they 74 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: had a sort of miscalculation and they thought originally on 75 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: this fourteenth ballot that all they needed Matt Gates to 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: do was to vote present. But as it comes down 77 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: to it, some of the people that they thought were 78 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: going to vote for McCarthy ultimately only vote present, and 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: then they come to realize that they actually need Gates 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: to vote for McCarthy. So Gates then votes present. Which 81 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: means late at night, after they thought they had this 82 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: thing wrapped up, they were going to have to at 83 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: least go to another round of balloting. And that's when 84 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: things started to get really heated between Gates and one 85 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: of McCarthy's top allies, Mike Rogers. Let's gohead and put 86 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: this up on the screen and I'll walk you through. 87 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of in slow mo here. So Gates is 88 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: over there, sitting next to Lauren Bobert. He's kind of 89 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: looking down, not paying attention. You see, Mike Rogers. There 90 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: is the one who's screaming at him. Has to be 91 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: held back hand but over his mouth. That's Kevin McCarthy 92 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: walking away. And this was after McCarthy had gone over 93 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: to try to persuade Gates to vote for him. As 94 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: clear Gates was like, no, I'm not doing that. That's 95 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: when this all ultimately unfolds. But it was the ballot 96 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: after that that ultimately, you know, they got it together, 97 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: had the right maneuvers Gates his present vote was sufficient 98 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: and McCarthy ultimately prevails. So it was very heated, it 99 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: was very tense, but ultimately they were able to get 100 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: it done. Let's go and put this up on the 101 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: screen from the Washington Post. They had a deep dive 102 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: into the way this all happened and how it all 103 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: went down, and actually some of the missteps that made 104 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: from Kevin McCarthy that made this much more difficult for 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: him than maybe it ultimately should have been, because you know, 106 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: these are human beings. Some of them just really hate 107 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. I put like mac Gates in that category, 108 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: and we're just not going to vote for him, period. 109 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: And there was really nothing McCarthy could do other than 110 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: not be speaker that would have satisfied Gates. But there 111 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: was another group there who they have issues with the 112 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: way that the House was run. Most of these are 113 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: hardcore fiscal conservatives, like Tea Party types, rather than really 114 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: sort of like you know, Trumpian or populous types. And 115 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: this is some of what I'm breaking down in my monologue. 116 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: And part of what they were really frustrated with is 117 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: that McCarthy had a level of arrogance towards them and 118 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: condescension towards them, and the initial concessions that he offered 119 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: were sort of rigged to maybe on the surface level, 120 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: look like they he was really bending to them and 121 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: offering them, but it contained a lot of obvious loopholes 122 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: that were going to allow him to maintain control of 123 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: the house and basically the way that it's been operating. 124 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: And they were really offended by that because they're like, basically, 125 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: what do you think we're stupid? You think we're not 126 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: going to read the fine print and realize the game 127 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: that you're playing here. So I'll just read a little 128 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: bit of the ending here of how this all went down. 129 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: This is before you know, This is when they're getting 130 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: those final holdouts to be able to come to heal. 131 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: They say they huddled in the office of Majority whipped 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: Tom Emmer. McCarthy told these moderates that he had gathered 133 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: there in four holdouts that his offer was to become 134 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: the fifty fifth speaker by significantly weakening the position and 135 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: empowering his parties hardliners. The meeting, according to people present 136 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: and brief, became a turning point in breaking the impass, 137 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: as much for the terms of the deal as for 138 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: how it re established trust between the two factions. Small 139 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: group was selected among those who had shown good faith 140 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: in weeks of negotiatations and turn into what was described 141 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: as a therapy session, which gets again to some of 142 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: the feelings that were rubbed raw. The holdouts explained that 143 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: Macarthy had offended them by rejecting their wish list of 144 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: committee assignments after he'd been the one to ask for it, 145 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: and for delivering a fiery speech to the Republican Conference 146 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: saying he'd quote earned the job. That was something we 147 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: highlighted last week as kind of an arrogant an obnoxious 148 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: thing to say that seemed to have pissed people off. 149 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: The moderates in turn gained assurances that the concessions to 150 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: the hardliners were not unreasonable and wouldn't be abused. So 151 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: that's ultimately how this thing all came together. Yeah, let's 152 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: go and put the last third one up there on 153 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: the screen. The actual rules package here really goes and 154 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: is important to go through. Number one is the motion 155 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: to vacate. That one member can force a vote to 156 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: overthrow the speaker at any time. This is akin to 157 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: the British storm or parliamentary system. We get to call 158 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: a vote of no confidence if you desire, and it's 159 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: literally something any member of the House can do. And 160 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: also it was like this, this is how it's a 161 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: history until recently so it's not that big of a 162 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: change of break from press really, I think the way 163 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: to describe this entire rules package, aside from the specific concessions, 164 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: the paygo to cut go constraining, the debt limits, the 165 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: three fifths to raise taxes, allowing the two minute votes 166 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: seventy two hours for bills, dynamic scoring, changing the name 167 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: of the Education Committee, and the new COVID Select Committee. 168 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: What this all really is, crystal, is the erosion of 169 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: the strong speakership. The strong speakership is something that emerged 170 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: sometime around the Sam Rayburn era in the nineteen forties, 171 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: kind of the iron will of being able to move 172 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: things in the way that you wanted. It ebbed and flowed, 173 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: but really was crystallized then with Tip O'Neil and then 174 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: finally Speaker Pelosi put it all together that they're the 175 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: ones who used House leadership and they're long running speakerships 176 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: to basically erode any opposition and consolidate all the power 177 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: within the speaker themselves. This is one of the first 178 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: times in modern American history we had enough of a 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: contingent willing to force many of the rule changes back 180 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: to the way that the House was run. Really in 181 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: the like the pre World War two era in terms 182 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: of the level of control and ability for any member 183 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: individual member of Congress to actually try and force some 184 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: stuff through. So actually, on that front, I'm quite happy 185 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: about it, even if you disagree with what the Freedom 186 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: Caucus guys and all of them want to do with 187 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: their power, having a weak speakership actually just opens up 188 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of very interesting possibilities, especially in terms of 189 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: committees and some of the Democrats, And because the House 190 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: is so really almost evenly divided, democratic power on the 191 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: committees is going to be more so than previously. And 192 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: actually it's possible that some compromise could actually go through, 193 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: not on the major top line stuff that you and 194 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: I would pay the most attention to, but really more 195 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: on the downstream in terms of work with the Senate 196 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: for routine business. So just in terms of American history, 197 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: we should view McCarthy as genuinely one of the weakest 198 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: speakers in modern American history. Whihoul a pure power level 199 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: and the week is since John Bayner, Because if you're 200 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, how are you supposed to cut a deal 201 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: with Kevin McCarthy. He can't deliver all of his votes 202 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: you can in any meeting that you have. You need 203 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: to have McCarthy, you need to have you need to 204 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: have the Freedom Caucus, and you need to have Pelosi. 205 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: And that's a huge victory for the Freedom Cause, huge victory. 206 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I admire their willingness to go to 207 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: the mat to extract these concessions, and it shows you 208 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: what a small group of like committed people with the 209 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: strategy can ultimately pull off. I agree with you on 210 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: the in theoretical idea of changing the power distribution in 211 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: the House, but then the question becomes, well, what do 212 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: you want to do with that power? And the things 213 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: that they want to do with that power are all 214 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: terrible and and you know this is not like a secret. 215 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: They were out front saying like, no, we want to 216 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: cause a debt ceiling showdown and force massive cuts. And 217 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: there are some pieces of this that I support, like 218 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: the their defense spending cuts that they have floated. We'll 219 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: see if that ultimately comes to fruition. But they also 220 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, this is a real return to the sort 221 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: of hard line fiscal austerity, deficit hawk focus of the 222 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Tea Party era, because ultimately, you know, Gates, he led 223 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: this group but it really wasn't him that they were 224 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: negotiating with. So to the extent that he has like 225 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: different heterodox views or whatever, that hasn't reflected that much 226 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: in the concessions that were actually granted. The bulk of 227 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: the concessions are really to the sort of like hardline 228 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: fiscal austerity Tea Party faction. They want to balance budget 229 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: in ten years. They want to use the debt ceiling 230 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: to force some sort of massive social spending cuts. They 231 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: want to change the government appropriations process so that they 232 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: also you know, can can go after certain agencies and 233 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: certain budget line items that they really disagree with. Those 234 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: things are all going to potentially have major ramifications for 235 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: the American public, not only in terms of the social 236 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: spending which could get cut, which disproportionately benefits you know, 237 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: working class people. They also have this rule in here 238 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: that you have to have three fits of the of 239 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: the House in order to raise taxes, so they're clearly 240 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: trying to protect like low tax rates for the rich, 241 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and also the sort of chaos that comes potential economic 242 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: disaster from failing to lift the debt ceiling, potential economic 243 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: disaster from threatening another government shutdown. So the power redistribution, 244 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: that part is actually either neutral or affirmatively good. What 245 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: these people plan to do with that power is affirmatively bad. 246 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: And I think it's unlikely just because constitutionally the more 247 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: moderate parts of the Caucus are less likely to like 248 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: wield this power in this hard way. They're squishes, right, 249 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: This is the group that wants this power and has 250 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: an agenda of what to do with it. So, you know, 251 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: the Trump movement of the Republican Party and a sort 252 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: of like different heterodox economic policy, the sort of things 253 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: he ran on back on twenty sixteen that is long 254 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: ago crumbled away. And so in the absence of any 255 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: alternative ideological program, well, we know what all of these 256 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: DC think tanks want. We know the dominant ideology that 257 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: gets funded and backed and pushed within the Republican Party. 258 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: And so in some ways, this to me seems like 259 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: actually a return to pre Trumpian politics, where the Tea 260 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: Party ideological agenda was really the ascendant force within the cockad. 261 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: A lot of that came through in the interview with 262 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, where he talked about some of the priorities 263 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: on how freedom cacus and then we're going to behave 264 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: under Kevin McCarthy. The Wall Street Journal editorial board says 265 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: this the price for Speaker McCarthy. It says the pressure 266 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: for defense cuts will be great. That's a terrible signal 267 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: to send adversaries who are increasingly belligerent. But is that 268 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: now the message that the speaker the GOP is sending 269 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: that defense spending at a time you mentioned our military 270 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: is struggling could potentially be on the chopping block because 271 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: of this deal that was made. Well, Shannon, we got 272 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: a thirty two trillion dollar debt. Everything has to be 273 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: on the table. We're on pace to spend five hundred 274 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: and six hundred billion dollars in debt payments and just 275 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: to deal with interest payments on servicing that debt. Maybe 276 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: focus on getting rid of all the woke policies in 277 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: our military. We'd have the money we need to make 278 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: sure our troops get the pay raise they deserve. We 279 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: have the weapons systems and the training that needs to 280 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: be done, so we're ready to deal with our adversaries 281 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: around the planet. That's what we want to focus on. So, 282 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: but you got numbers like that, a thirty some trillion 283 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: dollar trist payments to service that debt, where they're headed 284 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: this year, you had better look at everything, and frankly 285 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: we better look at the money we send to Ukraine 286 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: as well. I mean on that front. You know, it's 287 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: not so bad to hear that I'd be interested to hear, 288 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: because the real question is are we going to have 289 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: a return to sequestration which actually would trigger some like 290 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: automatic military spending cuts. Are they going to do what 291 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: John Bayner and the some of the Paul Ryan deals were, 292 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: which they would keep spending in the military constant and 293 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: then an increase, but then at the same time cut 294 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: social spending. I really have no idea how it's all 295 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: going to shake out. I do, although think that some 296 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: of it is quite funny. We got Joe Scarbo's reaction. 297 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: We'll put it up there on the screen. Scarborough freaking 298 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: out about the only the only good thing, which was 299 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: declaring the defense budget, slashing aid to Ukraine and reviewing 300 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: the US intelligence can be and spying on Americans. He says, 301 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: Americans can only hope that the democratics said it and 302 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: sane Republicans will push back. The world is too dangerous 303 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: to turn our country over to radicals in isolationists, So 304 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: there's going to be. I think what we're laying out here, 305 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: there's going to be very different and interesting fights, some 306 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: in their own right. Again, I support the military, especially 307 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: looking at the some of the budgets, and also especially 308 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: with the A to Ukraine and possibly having Inspector General. 309 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: I think it'd be great. I'm doing my home monologue 310 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: on why I think the Church Committee two point zero 311 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: is a fantastic idea and one of the ways that 312 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: they could really bolster it at the same time, you know, 313 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: cutting social spending. I was just looking at a poll 314 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: this morning in terms of people who voted for the 315 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: Democrats in the midterm elections, and the very top thing 316 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: actually that they said that they voted for I have 317 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: it in front of me, is seventy eight percent said 318 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: they were doing so to protect social security and medicare. 319 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: So clearly, I mean, it was a very resonant message 320 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: in the midterms, and lowering inflation was actually their fourth 321 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,119 Speaker 1: priority behind climate change and abortion for people who voted Democratic, 322 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: and clearly a lot of people, much more than expected 323 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: voted Democratic in twenty twenty two in the midterms. I 324 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: think that in the last phases of the midterm elections, 325 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: there was actually a lot more talk and a lot 326 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: more of hitting Republicans on their plans to slash social 327 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: security and Medicare, and that came directly out of member 328 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: Senator Rick Scott put on his plan that was like 329 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: we're going to have to vote on these things in 330 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: the sun set over five years or whatever he put 331 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: out there, which is like disastrous political message, and they 332 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: know it's wildly unpopular, which is why Mitch mccadell was like, 333 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: shut up about your terrible economic plans that are disastrously unpopular, Like, yeah, 334 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: and we might do this stuff once we get into office, 335 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: but let's not talk about it. And I think it 336 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: was actually an under sold issue in terms of how 337 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: the final weeks closed and why that those midterm elections 338 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: ended up being much better for Democrats than were ultimately expected. 339 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: And anytime you talk about cutting social spending, look, the 340 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: bulk of the money in terms of social spending is 341 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: social Security and Medicare. The numbers really don't add up 342 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: unless you are focused on cutting social Security and Medicare. 343 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: So it's not unfair to say when they're going when 344 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: they're saying we're going to balance the budget ten years, 345 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: we're going to use the debt ceiling for this fight 346 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: over social spending, that it is very likely they're going 347 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: to come after social Security and Medicare. I mean, this 348 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: was remember back in the Obama administration, and this is 349 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: why it really does feel to me like deja vou 350 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: and more like the Tea Party era than something like 351 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: new and different. Back during the Obama administration, when we 352 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: had all these grand bargain talks and Obama put on 353 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: the table like, hey, how about we cut social Security? 354 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: And actually the only thing that saved us from doing 355 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: that was the fact that the Tea Party hardliners wanted 356 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: to go even further. They wanted even more, so in 357 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: a sense, we have them to thank for them not 358 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: doing what was a terrible deal and a terrible idea 359 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: under Obama of cutting Social Security and making some of 360 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: these other social spending cuts. So it feels to me 361 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: again like we're going back to that era. I mean, 362 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan having him out there out front as a 363 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: spokes he was one of the leaders of the Tea Party, 364 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: one of the hardliners, and all they really share with 365 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: the supposed new Trumpian economic direction of the Republican Party 366 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: is sort of like a vibe An aesthetic like a 367 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: like screw these people in fearlessness with regard to taking 368 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: on their own leadership, which again I respect, but then 369 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: you have to ask, like to what ends, And in 370 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: terms of the Jim Jordans of the world and the 371 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: hard right fiscal austerity type Tea Party folks who seemed 372 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: to be really driving the train here both in terms 373 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: of this deal and ultimately in terms of what they 374 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: want to do with this caucus, I think it's nothing 375 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: but bad for the American people. The other piece of 376 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: this that is very interesting that we wanted to look 377 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: at is what was Trump's influence on all of this, 378 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: if anything, And it was complicated because trumpet back to 379 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: McCarthy right, and even there was a question once McCarthy 380 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: looked kind of weak, would Trump stand by him or 381 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: what he let him just twist you in. He came 382 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: in and he, you know, put on his true social 383 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: and said it's to come behind Kevin McCarthy or whatever 384 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: he ultimately said. So you have that faction. You know 385 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green over there, who of course very like 386 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: MAGA aligned figure, but you know Matt Gats who was 387 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: another very MAGA aligned figure who is on the other 388 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: side and really the most visible and vocal part of 389 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: the never Kevin contingent. And it didn't seem during this 390 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: process like Trump was really moving any votes. After he 391 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: came out and put out that message and said, hey guys, 392 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: it's time to come behind Kevin McCarthy, there wasn't a 393 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: single vote that actually moved in terms of Kevin McCarthy's favor. 394 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: So it was very interesting after the fact, after McCarthy 395 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: is able to win the speaker's gavel, who is the 396 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: person he wants to make sure and indicate that they 397 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: were important and that their support really mattered and really 398 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: influenced people. It was Donald Trump. Let's take a listen 399 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: to what Kevin McCarthy had to say. But I do 400 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: want to especially think President Trump. I don't think you 401 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: should anybody should doubt his influence. He was with from 402 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: the beginning. Somebody wrote the doubt if what he was 403 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: there and he was all in. He would call me 404 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: and he would call others, and he really was. I 405 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: was just talking to him tonight helping get those final votes. 406 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: What he's really saying really for the party in the 407 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: country that we have to come together, we have to 408 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: focus on the economy. We've got to focus make our 409 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: border secure. We got to do so much work to do, 410 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: and he was a great influence to make that all happen. 411 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: Just amazing. Yeah, let me make that Chrystly. You're right though, 412 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 1: that he eventually did, But his initial statement did not 413 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: say to vote for Kevin McCarthy, did not endorse Kevin McCarthy. 414 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: And then he was like, well, maybe you know, and 415 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: he was pressed repeatedly by the reporter at NBC News, 416 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: He's like, are you endorsing Kevin McCarthy, And he just said, 417 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Whatever happens is going to be great. 418 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: It's only after McCarthy called him and basically begged him 419 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: to do so that he came out for him again. 420 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, look, Trump did throw him under the bus 421 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: when it actually mattered on the four when McCarthy was 422 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: at his most precarious, he did not have Trump support. 423 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: It was only after there was movement in some of 424 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: the negotiations that Trump decided to come on the bandwagon. 425 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: And look, Marjorie, you know with the famous photo. Yeah, 426 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: let's put this up, Yeah, let's put it so. It's 427 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: kind of incredible. So what you see here is she's 428 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: holding up a phone to one of her colleagues, Congressman Rosendale, 429 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: who was you know, on the not voting for Kevin 430 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: McCarthy's side. And you can see on the phone it 431 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: says DT as in Donald Trump. So she's literally got 432 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: the President on the phone. She's trying to get this 433 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: dude's attention to talk to Trump so that Trump can 434 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: try to talk him into voting for McCarthy. And he 435 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: has his hand up, just completely blocking it. And apparently 436 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: he shouted repeatedly, don't you ever do me like that? Yeah, 437 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: to Marjorie Taylor Green right, yeah, because he was like, 438 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 1: I'm not taking Trump's phone call. So I think this 439 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: has much more to do with the Tea Party, with 440 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: the House rules, and with actual power for this group 441 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: than it does to do with Trump. And that's actually 442 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: terrible news for Trump. I always have to remind myself 443 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: he's an active candidate for president of the United States. 444 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: Like he's not doing rallies, He's just like sitting in 445 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: mar Lago. I have no idea what he's doing. I'm 446 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: sure he's fundraising. I guess he's been true thing, but 447 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: his actual power projection sure he can get Kevin McCarthy's 448 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: of the world to you know, bow down and grovel 449 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: before him right now. But like, does it matter because 450 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: he could barely deliver the votes in the first place, 451 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: and to the extent that the votes were delivered, it 452 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with him. It had to 453 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: do with what they wanted in the first place. I 454 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: see this as as a major week episode for Trump, 455 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: I really do. Yeah, it's really fascinating too. I mean, 456 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: just even the ideological direction of the party at this point. 457 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: It shows a real weakness for Trump because you know, ultimately, 458 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: his core insight in twenty sixteen that allowed him to 459 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: prevail shockingly in the Republican Party primary and then shockingly 460 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: again in the general election was that people really liked 461 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: the attitude. They really liked the sort of populist rage 462 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: and anger that some of the Tea Party members had 463 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: and their willingness to buck the establishment, and that sort 464 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: of like affect people really liked and responded to. But 465 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: the actual details of the policy they hate right this. 466 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: You know, let's cut social security, let's slash spending, let's 467 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: have government shut down all that stuff, which, by the way, 468 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, under Trump they didn't use those levers to 469 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: try to force social spending cuts. The actual details of 470 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: what the party stood for when the Tea Party was 471 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: so the dominant ideological force was really unpopular, and so 472 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: he kind of put those two pieces together of I'm 473 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: going to moderate on economics. He famously, you know, obviously 474 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: changed their positions on trade deals. He obviously changed their 475 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: positions in terms of he came out and said we're 476 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: not going to cut social Security. So he recognized that 477 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: there was a lane for someone to take a different 478 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: course on economics in the party but maintain that pugilistic 479 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: attitude that people really liked and responded to and wanted 480 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: to see, and that was a real ticket to success. 481 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: But of course Trump long ago abandoned any sort of 482 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: real ideological framework. So again, in the absence of some 483 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: other ideological project, this is what the Republican Party is 484 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: always going to default back to. Yeah, no, I think 485 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: that's the right way to say it. Overall, in terms 486 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: of Trump's power, just really looked like a very weak episode. 487 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: And then but also look at McCarthy, I mean, he 488 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: has to grovel down. This is again, like I don't 489 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: know why he would ever Mike Kevin. Yeah, Trump, you 490 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: are have no power. You are beholden to Trump and 491 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: you are beholden to the Freedom Caucus. Like you yourself, 492 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: you can wield nothing. I actually put it out on Twitter. 493 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, why would you even want to be speaker 494 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: when you're the weakest one in a century. And Ryan 495 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: Gerdusky actually had the best replies, because you make a 496 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: lot more money as a lobbyist when you're and I 497 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: was like, you know, that is actually the only point, 498 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: and somebody else was like vanity because he wants this 499 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: picture in the House Speakers gallery. I'm like, all right, 500 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's worth it. Humiliating the words 501 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: is the type who's been dreaming of this since he 502 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: was like forty years old. I think I said that, 503 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: the classic student council guy. Yeah, high school. But yeah, yeah, 504 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: that's what it strikes men. Yeah, the ability to catch 505 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Paul Ryan. He's made in the 506 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: shade in terms of his Oh yeah, musician, he's got 507 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: his spack. He's a multi millionaire. He's on the Fox board. 508 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: I see him around here in town all the time 509 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: on the street Bainner's doing He's like on he's a 510 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: weed lot of Yeah, So Kevin McCarthy is going to 511 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: be just fine. Guys, don't worry about good point. Okay, 512 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: let's go to the next and actually very significant news. 513 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: President Biden yesterday deigned to visit the US Mexico border 514 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: two years into office. Let's go ahead and put this 515 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: up there on the screen. It was his very first 516 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: trip to the border area on Sunday. I think took 517 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: note that it actually did happen on a Sunday, visiting 518 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: El Paso, Texas, so the details of his visit was 519 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: very tightly controlled Crystal. He basically took a tour of 520 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: a migrant facility. There were no actual migrants though that 521 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: he met with. He basically just walked around a Customs 522 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: and Border Patrol parking lot, talked to some of the 523 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: agents that were there, got back on Air Force one, 524 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: and drove back here after a brief meeting with the 525 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: governor Greg Abbott on the tarmac. And it actually came 526 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: after a pretty significant event. We have to have to 527 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: set up because it actually starts a couple of weeks 528 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: ago while we're off on the holidays. The title two 529 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: forty two section was actually held up by the US 530 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court effectively keeping in place Trump era policies which 531 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: require people to apply for asylum in Mexico when they 532 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: arrived at the border before they are processed. Their asylum 533 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: claim is then litigated as they remain in Mexico, which 534 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: they are then around into the United States in order 535 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: to avoid a cash and release policy which was previously 536 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: there under the Trump administration and all of that before. 537 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: President Biden now effectively architecting the entire Trump era policy, 538 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: which is astounding after two years in office. He laid 539 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: some of it out in rhetoric which all of you 540 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: will probably recognize from the previous president. Let's take a listen. 541 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: Next week, I'm going to travel to Mexico. I'm going 542 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: to meet with President Lofez overdoor. We have a big 543 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: agenda that raises some climate crisis to economic development and 544 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: other issues. But one important part of that agenda is 545 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: strengthening our border between our nations. And I will visit 546 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: the border myself this Sunday in El Paso to assess 547 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: border enforcement operations, meet with the local officials and community 548 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: leaders and the folks at the border sending me what 549 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: they need that they don't have, and make it public 550 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: what they conclude they need. They don't have to try 551 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: to convince my Republican colleagues they should do something. Do 552 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: not do not just show up at the border, stay 553 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: where you are, and apply legally from there. I mean, look, 554 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: you could basically copy and paste that from Obama, from 555 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: Trump and Joe Biden, which is why I find it hilarious. 556 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's like you basically have, after two years 557 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: of dithering, have basically recreated the entire policy. So just 558 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: to lay out the go I just wanted on Title 559 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: forty two specifically, and I think you're going to lay 560 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: out the complete picture of what he did here, because 561 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: there were two pieces to it. But Biden on the 562 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: campaign trail explicitly against this policy. Yes, even as president, 563 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: his administration was fighting against this policy, and the Supreme Court, 564 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: the courts have intervened and basically said, like, you know, 565 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: we have to keep it in place for now. There 566 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: were technical reasons that I won't get into. And so 567 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: with the court saying it has to stay in place, 568 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: not only are they fully implementing it, he's expanding it. 569 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: Because it only applied to nationals from certain countries specifically 570 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: under Trump, it was the Northern Triangle and Mexico. Now 571 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: it's expanded because the places that migrants are coming to 572 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: have largely changed. It's expanded to Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans. 573 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: So not only is he keeping in place even though 574 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: technically his administration still says they're opposed to it, he 575 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: is actually expanding it. So that's the insanity of what's 576 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: going on here. And the other thing that's important to 577 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: say about Title forty two, which does make it absurd 578 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: is the fig leaf of justification for it is the 579 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: COVID pandemic, and in every other aspect, even within the 580 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: judicial system, they basically said, like, y'all, the COVID pandemic 581 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: is over. So the big issue in our immigration system, 582 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: as you were alluding to, Sager, is you have a 583 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: lot of people. Thousands of people are showing up the 584 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: board to make asylum claims. Some of those are justified 585 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: under our law and some of them are not. And frankly, 586 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: because you have this massive backlog in the system, there 587 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: are people who exploit that ability to show up and 588 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: request asylum even though they know that probably when things 589 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: are adjudicated, they don't have a technical legitimate asylum claim, 590 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: but under our law and under international law, you have 591 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: to allow people to make asylum claims. The issue becomes 592 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: because the system is so backlogged it takes years for 593 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: these claims to be adjudicated. So while this situation is 594 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: very complex in a certain sense, it's obviously incredibly politically fraught, 595 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: it's also very clear like Biden is doing this is 596 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: like a political show. He doesn't think he has a 597 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: threat from the left. He's trying to pivot to the 598 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: center and like short circuit some like you know, law 599 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: and order type critique from the Republican Party. But at 600 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: another level, it's very simple. The real core issue here 601 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: is that backlog in the system. If you had a 602 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: massive surge in people who adjudicate these asylum claims, which 603 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: is judges and other officials, and you could clear on 604 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: this backlog, that would eliminate the ability for people to 605 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: take advantage of this lengthy process, and it also wouldn't 606 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: create this urge on this administration's part, Trump administration part, 607 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: Obama administration part to find ways to basically go against 608 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: law and international law and not allow people to make 609 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: these asylum claims in an orderly process. So that's really 610 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: the core of the issue here is this backlog, which 611 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 1: you would think would be something that everybody could kind 612 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: of agree on, like, hey, let's get more immigration judges 613 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: so that we can clear on this backlog, But of 614 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: course nobody really wants to ultimately solve the problem. I unfortunately, 615 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: have been covering this issue for a long time, and 616 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: I remember at the time being like, isn't the solution 617 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: here and just hiring a shitload of immigration judges, and 618 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: everyone's like, yeah, but nobody wants to do it, because frankly, 619 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people benefit from the fact that there 620 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: is like a massive surge of migrants at the border. 621 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the data, the number two issue for 622 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: people who voted Republican in Congress eighty five percent was 623 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: securing the southern border. And also, frankly, there's a lot 624 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: of left wing activists who like the fact that we 625 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: have of like a de facto catch and release system 626 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: which allows people to just come in and do whatever 627 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: they want for years, and in many cases never even 628 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: show up to their asylum process. So I think the 629 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: whole system is completely nuts, and I personally very much 630 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: support hiring all of these judges because I don't think 631 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: anybody has a right to come here and your claim 632 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: has to be litigated if you're going to live here. 633 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: I think people have a right to expect that they 634 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: have a border and there's going to be an orderly 635 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: process by which we adjudicate who comes in and who doesn't. 636 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that's unreasonable expectation whatsoever. But we also 637 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: can't just I mean Title forty two is it's ridiculous 638 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: at this point, like we are not in the middle 639 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: of a pandemic, and you can't just use this like 640 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: fig leaf of a law to just mass expel people 641 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: because you don't want to actually deal with the claims. 642 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: So that's kind of situation they find themselves in. And 643 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: then Biden. The other piece of this is they're expanding 644 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: this so called parole program right that they actually rolled 645 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: out with regards to Ukrainian refugees, where if you can 646 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: get a financial sponsor in the United States, then there's 647 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: a process you can go through in order to apply 648 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: for asylum from your home country. They've also expanded this 649 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: to Venezuela. It's apparently been somewhat successful in curbing like 650 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: people just showing up at the border from Venezuela. But 651 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: that's obviously not a complete answer. Number one, because the 652 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: numbers that they're talking about are not sufficient, but also 653 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: because not everybody who has a legitimate asylum claim, and 654 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 1: these are places that are violent and dangerous and have 655 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: all sorts of issues, some of which we've caused, by 656 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: the way, not everyone is going to have a financial 657 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: sponsor who has a legitimate asylum claim. Actually, it was 658 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: funny because from the left, some of the reporters and 659 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: others are attacking the Biden administration for effectively recreating Trump's policy, 660 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: and the Biden Press secretary just completely crumbled when faced 661 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: with that. Let's take a listen. Just following up on 662 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: the border, I spent a long time covering immigration stuff 663 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: during the Trump years. I never saw more damning quotes 664 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: from immigration advocacy groups and human rights groups during the 665 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: Trump years that as I saw yesterday towards this administration. 666 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: Just reading one to you, eleanor Aser, who's one of 667 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: the leading advocacy people and heads up the Refugee Group, 668 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: called what the president did yesterday a humanitarian disgrace, and 669 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: that was echoed across the board in literally scores of emails, 670 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: I got from every humanitarian group. What do you all, 671 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: What does the administration say to the overwhelming consensus from 672 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: people who advocate on behalf of asylum seekers and refugees 673 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: and migrants that what the president did yesterday was a 674 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: military in the screen. Well, obviously we take a different view. 675 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: What we would say is that this is a president 676 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: who understands that safe and legal immigration into this country 677 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: is a key cornerstone of our own security and prosperity. 678 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: Clearly you can see that they just can't handle any 679 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: questioning on this whatsoever, and it highlights what you were discussing, 680 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: which is, look, if the border has been a problem 681 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: for them since day one, they basically have had no 682 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: idea what to do. They kind of fought Title forty 683 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: two in court, then they couldn't and now they're recreating effectively, 684 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: they're recreating the remain in Mexico policy for three more 685 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: creating they're expanding it. So they're expanding remaining in Mexico. 686 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, I support remained in Mexico. I 687 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: think is probably the best solution outside of the judges. 688 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, we should just allow people 689 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: to come here. Willy nilly, But the point of all 690 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: of us, I want to say, is that whether you're 691 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: left or whether you're right, this is full blown, pure hypocrisy. 692 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't think it's actually going to help 693 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: him in any way. I think it's clear what's happening here. 694 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: He wants he's going to run for president again. He 695 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: knows the border is a huge problem. He's trying to 696 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: recreate Trump policy, but the kind of appease like liberals 697 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: who effectively want like open borders, and he's like, well, 698 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: what do I do here? I'm going to try and 699 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: you know, create some sort a third way. But here's 700 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: the thing. No Republican is going to trust Biden on 701 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: the border after two years of what we've been had 702 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: happening down there. And I also don't think he's going 703 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: to get any particular credit with the left or even 704 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: with Democrats for attacking it this way. And there's also 705 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: a very cowardly visit I think, in my opinion, going 706 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: to just El Paso ahead of his ahead of his 707 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: trip to Mexico. We're about to talk about what's happening 708 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: in Mexico right now head of its visit. But look, 709 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: I mean, even Trump did more. Actually, even Obama did 710 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: more of an effort in actual visits down there. I 711 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: mean to the Biden administration, who have they sent Kamala 712 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: Harris down to the Northern Triangle. That's a seriously treated issue. 713 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: But part of what happened is that Obama, if he 714 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: was super hardline on immigration and you know, deporter in chief, 715 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: which he was, that that would give him the political 716 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: credibility to strike a deal with Republicans on immigration reform. 717 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: And Republicans don't want to strike a deal on immigration reform. 718 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 1: They like the issue. They like being able to send 719 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: cameras down to the border and show thousands of people 720 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: sleeping under a bridge or whatever. They like going down 721 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: to some country and finding a caravan and like freaking 722 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: people out before midterm elections. They like having this issue 723 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: remain unsolved. And so I have all kinds of issues 724 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: with Biden and this policy. I think again, Title forty 725 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: two is absurd at this point. The idea that this 726 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: is like justified by the pandemic is stupid. People have 727 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: a right to claim asylum. The countries that we're talking 728 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: about the let me give you the four countries that 729 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about here where the bulk of the migrants 730 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: are coming from. It is Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, and Venezuela. Okay, 731 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: three of those four countries we right now have massive 732 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: sanctions on which are part of why people are so desperate. 733 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: It's not the whole story, but it's a big part 734 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: of why people are so desperate and were having to 735 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: wanting to come here in the first place. And then Haiti, 736 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: our hands are I mean, the dude we're propping up 737 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: in Haiti may have had something to do with the 738 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: last prime ministers death. Here's the thing. Does that mean 739 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: every person that the US has ever interfered with has 740 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: a right to come here? Like that right? Anyone from 741 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: Iraq should allowed come to the United States? Well, I 742 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: mean there are a lot of people from Iraq who 743 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: should be allowed to come to the United States. Look, 744 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: there's two but there's two things here. Number one, I'm 745 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: pointing out we are to blame for a lot of 746 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: the misery in these countries that is causing people to 747 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: want to flee in the first place. So if you 748 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: wanted to deal with the root of the problem, you 749 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: don't think that a lot of the misery in Cuba 750 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: is because of us. Or Venezuela the problem too. So anyway, 751 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: if you have people who have legitimate reasons to come 752 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: here and are fleeing violence and chaos that, by the way, 753 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: the war on drugs also helps to create. There are 754 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: a lot of things we could do by changing our 755 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: policy to make it so fewer people wanted to come 756 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: here in the first place, because this is not like 757 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: a fun journey that people want to undertake just for 758 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: shits and giggles. That's number one. Number two, people have 759 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: a right if they have a legitimate asylum claim under 760 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: our law and under international law, to file for that claim. 761 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: The idea that the pandemic still now should change that 762 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: is absurd at this point. But because you have Republicans 763 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: who do not want to solve this issue, who like 764 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: the fact that they can send cameras down there and 765 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: create political upset about it at election time, you have 766 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: an insane process, and then you end up for the 767 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 1: Biden administration to signal to the right and that they're 768 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: serious and whatever, not only recreating the Trump administration policy, 769 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: but actually expanding the Trump administry. Yeah, but I don't 770 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: think that Republicans the only people love this issue. I 771 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: mean think a lot of Democrats are very comfortable with 772 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: the fact that millions of people can just come here 773 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: legally and stay, which I think is crazy and completely insane. 774 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: And look, I mean the idea that every what do 775 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: you base better earth? Because what I see is, well, 776 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: then why don't they They're also not they're the ones 777 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: who have effectively allowed catch and release and gone to 778 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: bat for that program over the last twenty years, because 779 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: that's what. No, that's not that's that's true, what national 780 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: law determines. And the problem, the reason why you have 781 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: people who stay here so long is because of this 782 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: backlogged immigration system. And by the way, the overwhelming majority 783 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: of people who claim asylum do show up then for 784 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: their court order to sary. But it's insane. It's insane 785 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: that you have years go by that people are here, 786 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: and that's true, and by the time that you have 787 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: people who've been here for years, then to say, okay, 788 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: well your claim is you know, is not proper and 789 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: you have to be removed, Yeah, that becomes a lot 790 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: more difficult of a process. So listen, I just think 791 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: it's an issue where there's a lot of dishonesty, where 792 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: Republicans like the problem and don't actually want to solve it, 793 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: and where a lot of our policy here in terms 794 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: of sanctioning these countries exacerbates the issue so that we 795 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: have more flows of migrants than we would other I 796 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: think I'm not saying it's one hundred percent. I'm not 797 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: saying we're the only problem in these countries, but are 798 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: we contributing the problem in each one of these nations 799 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: where the bulk of the migrants are coming from one 800 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: hundred percent? Yes, I just think that a lot of 801 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 1: these countries have agency. Nicaraguin's Daniel Ortega, Like, we didn't 802 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: create Daniel Ortega. He created Daniel Ortega. Like they look, 803 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: there are many countries in Central America which are doing fine, 804 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: Costa Rica and many others. It's not like a complete 805 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: cause on behalf of the US. They happen to be 806 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: benefited by the fact that they can march here from 807 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: across Mexico, which I don't think is fair actually if 808 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: you think about the rest of the country. I just look, 809 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: this is a difference of opinion. I don't think you 810 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: have a right to come here, and under some of 811 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: the seas asylum standards, they're absurd, Like if somebody says 812 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: they're fleeing domestic violence. Look, I have a deep sympathy 813 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: with anybody's fleeing domestic violence. That doesn't mean you get 814 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: to come to the United States. There's a billion people 815 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: on earth who are suffering domestic violence. By one standard 816 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: from the Human Rights Campaign, you can allow a billion people. 817 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: But do you agree here are some asylum claims that 818 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: are justified. For example, you brought up Daniel Ortega. Yeah, 819 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: who is known to persecute his political enemies. Okay, his 820 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: political enemy, sure, But if you're an average, average economic migrant, 821 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: maybe And then look even the BIS I don't deny 822 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people and human traffickers 823 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: who exploit the fact that we have these massive backlogs 824 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: in the system and bring people here basically on the 825 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: promise that you're basically going to get to stay. You 826 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: just have to say the magic words, you're gonna get 827 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: to stay. There are two ways you solve that. Because 828 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: people do have a right when they have legitimate asylum 829 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: claims based on our law and international law, they have 830 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: a right to make those claims and have them adjudicated. 831 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: There are two core issues here. A number one the 832 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: way that we are screwing over these countries ourselves and 833 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: making it more likely that you have more migrant flows. 834 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: And again, you can look at the four countries where 835 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: most migrants are coming from and see how much of 836 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: a direct impact we ultimately have. And two, if you 837 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: end this backlog, which I know you also support, then 838 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: you get rid of this effective loophole that enables people 839 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: who don't have justifiable asylum claims to come here and 840 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: feel like they're going to be able to stay in. Definitely, 841 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: to me, that seems like the two core issues. And 842 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats who 843 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: are bad faith on this. This Republicans certainly aren't interested 844 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: in solving the problem, and so you end up with 845 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: a disgusting humanitarian disaster like with the Biden administration. As 846 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: a way, I can agree that it's not work to anybody. 847 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I look, do I have sympathy for poor 848 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: people in another country who say, hey, if you pay 849 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: fifty thousand bucks, it can get you to America. Like, yeah, 850 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: I have a lot of sympathy. My parents came here 851 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: to this country for for that, for very similar reasons, 852 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: for economic opportunity. I get it. What I'm saying is 853 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: the system has to be actually, the system has to 854 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: have some merit or And actually what you're seeing is 855 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 1: that you have a deep suspicion of many people, including myself, 856 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: of the entire immigration system, because I think it's made 857 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: a mockery of over the last twenty years, specifically with 858 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: some of these policies. And I do want to say, Crystal, 859 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but I do think a 860 00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: lot of people like the fact that millions of people 861 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: are coming here illegally, because once you're here, we all 862 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: know how difficult it is to get them out, and 863 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: they want to legalize them. And I think they want 864 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: to get them to vote. And I'm not saying this 865 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: in conspiratorial like racial way. I'm saying I think that 866 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: they like the fact that people are coming here. They 867 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: have the entire you know, like, oh, immigrants, sir, the 868 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: people who have more children. So actually this is the 869 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: way that we have to solve our demographic process. I 870 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: think there's some truth to that. But look, I mean, 871 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: the truth is that they coming here. I do think 872 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: that that is because you ultimately, I mean, the people 873 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: who have really actually tried to come some sort of 874 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: immigration deal which always includes more border enforcement and more 875 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: border patrol. Have been Democrats, I mean, they have been 876 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: the ones who have actually offered some even Joe Biden 877 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: offered some sort of package of here's how we're going 878 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: to deal with this issue ultimately. And you know, there 879 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: is no interest from Republicans in ultimately solving this problem. 880 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: So I'm not washing Democrats' hands of culpability here, but 881 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: I do think it's conspiratorial this idea that they just 882 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: want to like ship in a bunch of illegal and 883 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 1: make them vote for Democrats. Latinos are not even voting 884 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: for Democrats, like overwhelmingly anymore. So the you know, racial 885 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: demographic argument here doesn't even really add up. And I 886 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: don't even care about the racial part. What I'm really 887 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: saying is that I think there's a lot of people 888 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: who are very comfortable with the fact that millions of 889 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: people get to come here illegally, and they are very 890 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: okay with I mean, look, non starter for every single 891 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,959 Speaker 1: Democratic immigration it's comprehensive immigration reform, which effectively means every 892 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: single person who's here illegally gets to stay and becomes 893 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: a citizen. That's who I have a big problem with 894 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,240 Speaker 1: that who voted ultimately for more judges to adjudicate these claims. 895 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this is actually something that the Biden administration 896 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: was pushing. So again, the thing that leads to people 897 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: staying here so long under the system is this backlog 898 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: that should be something everyone could agree on to ultimately 899 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: solve it. But I see zero political interest ultimately in 900 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: resolving the issue. I do agree it will not happen. 901 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Mexico. Now, let's go to the next 902 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,760 Speaker 1: part here. So President Biden is actually set to visit Mexico, 903 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,760 Speaker 1: and what's happening right now in Mexico is genuinely completely insane. 904 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: We have some video a full blown war that has 905 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: broken out in Kulia Khan between the Mexican army and 906 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: the drug cartels after the Mexican Army actually captured the 907 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: son of El Chopo in what was supposed to be 908 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: a show of force and of law enforcement and is 909 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 1: now threatening widespread violence across the entire state of Sineloa. 910 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this on the screen. We 911 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: have a little bit of a video from down in 912 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: Mexico where they could show and what they're being narrating 913 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: is that a police plane was actually hit by the 914 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: Mexican drug cartels. You've got trucks which are literally on 915 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: fire in the street. This was all after the capture 916 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: of one of El Chappo's sons in Sineloa, and they 917 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: are threatening a full outbreak of war in the province. 918 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: Already we've had Mexican Army officers and people who were killed, 919 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: multiple cartel gunman. I was actually in Mexico when some 920 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: of this started breaking out and people were talking about it, 921 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: and look the circumstances here are nuts. Let's go to 922 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: put the next one up there. The Guardian actually did 923 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: a decent job of laying out some of the terror 924 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: on the streets of Koya Khan after the arrest of 925 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 1: El Chappo, which you know previously his arrest and others 926 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: had led to major shootouts and showdowns between the army. 927 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: This is a major show of force which was scheduled 928 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: by Amlo, the Mexican president, to show the United States 929 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: and President Biden that they were taking the war to 930 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: the drug cartels. Unfortunately, it is now threatening you know, 931 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: domestic major domestic turmoil in the state because it's a 932 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,720 Speaker 1: direct challenge obviously to the Mexican government authority. President Biden 933 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: is actually scheduled to bring up some of the fentanyl, 934 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: some of the fentanyl coming across the US Mexico border. 935 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: And this is all in the context of geopolitics. So 936 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,720 Speaker 1: it's setting up a real problem for the Biden visit 937 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: to Mexico for Amlo. As I was telling you, I 938 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 1: was just in Mexico, and I'm not going to pretend 939 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: I was in a tourist area, so I don't get 940 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 1: a full view the people that I spoke to. I 941 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: did my best in my limited Spanish. They're very popular. 942 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: Animal is very popular, but the cartels are the one 943 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: thing that they all bring up. They're like, look, the 944 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: idea that it all ended with El Chapo is a dream. 945 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: We have this new generation. They're like, if anything, it's 946 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: worse than ever. You know, the lack of law and 947 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: order here is a disaster. And I just want to say, 948 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, for the working class Mexicans, some of whom 949 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: I was able to meet, I mean, they're the ones 950 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 1: who suffer them post They get taxed by the government 951 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 1: and the cartels, and they are I mean they they 952 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: told me some stories right about taxi drivers who weren't 953 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: paying the cartels who were literally just shot in the 954 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: head in the middle of the streets as a reminder 955 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: to the rest of them. And it's very uncomfortable right 956 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: to acknowledge some of that on their end. But what 957 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,360 Speaker 1: you can see here is a breakdown in what was 958 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: ostensible some order in Mexico, and it's all really because 959 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: of a show of force by the Mexican government ahead 960 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: of Biden and also some of the demands of the 961 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: Biden administration making there. And it reminds you of who 962 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: some of the real victims of some of this stuff are. 963 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: Biden one of the demands he wants to make of 964 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: AMLO is for them to do more to stop the 965 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, the trafficking of drugs across the border. And 966 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, this was an attempt to show like, look, 967 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: we're on top of it. And it was kind of 968 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: predictable too, because this is basically exactly what happened. This 969 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 1: isn't the first time that this dude was detained by 970 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: Mexican authorities, and last time when they detained him and 971 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: there was a huge outbreak of the same sort of 972 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 1: warfare and fighting and violence, and so they let him go. 973 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: So it was not a surprise that it would provoke 974 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: a similar sort of reaction because hey, last time it works, 975 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: so why not try again. So the reason that so 976 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: much of this focus around this airport is because they 977 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: were flying him to actually the same Supermax person that 978 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: Daddy escaped from previously, but they were trying to prevent 979 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 1: his plane from taking off from this airport. And so 980 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: I read accounts of people who were checking in and 981 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: all hell, I mean, they think they're just like going 982 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: to the airport, going on their business trip or their 983 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: vacation or whatever, and all hell is breaking loose at 984 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: this airport, so total insanity. I think my understanding is 985 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: last I was reading last night that the violence seems 986 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: to have calmed down since they were able to successfully 987 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: remove him and take him to this super max prison. 988 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: But it just shows you the brazenness and the high 989 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: level that they feel that they can operate at effectively. Also, 990 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: though we shouldn't take with that violence, they're actually threatening 991 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: and they're saying, look, if you do not return him 992 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: to us, They're like, we're going to have even more 993 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: violence that breaks out in the region. So it is 994 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 1: not a guarantee right now in terms of what the 995 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: cartels can related to the government, and they also know 996 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: that it would be a massive embarrassment to them if 997 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: they were to have even more violence happening in the 998 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,240 Speaker 1: country while President Biden is there as well. So look, 999 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: it's a total nightmare for the Mexican government, and it 1000 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 1: could also put some egg on Biden's face to have 1001 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: such level of like disrespect and just disorder like while 1002 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: he's in the countries. Well, it's also game of way. 1003 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they took out Daddy and guess 1004 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: what Sun took over. I mean, And actually a lot 1005 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: of times when you have a leadership vacuum after you 1006 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: remove one drug kingpin is when the most violence occurs, 1007 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: because then you have turf wars between the various cartels 1008 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: and gangs trying to fight over who's going to have 1009 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: what territory, and you have leadership wars over who's going 1010 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 1: to take control of the rain. So I mean, it's 1011 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: just it's an utterly disastrous situation, is the bottom line. Yep. 1012 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: All right. We do have a little bit of good 1013 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: news for you this morning, though, which is the Federal 1014 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: Trade Commission, led by Lena Khan, who's a real sort 1015 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: of warrior for anti trust have been very innovative regulator. 1016 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: She has announced that they are looking at banning non 1017 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,920 Speaker 1: competes in employment agreements. This would be a huge deal 1018 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: people everybody from like sandwich makers will get to a 1019 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: particularly agree example to white collar workers and executives oftentimes 1020 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: are subject to these non compete agreements, which means you 1021 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,319 Speaker 1: can't leave and go work for a competitor. It's really 1022 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,719 Speaker 1: insane and it truly is anti competitive and it is 1023 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,320 Speaker 1: a key way that employers keep control over their workers. 1024 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: We actually have a clip of CNBC laying out the 1025 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: details here list take to listen. Welcome back, everybody. A 1026 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,720 Speaker 1: new move from the FTC could have some serious ripples 1027 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 1: across corporate America. The agency proposing a new ban of 1028 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,000 Speaker 1: so called non compete clauses. Amagebvers has the details I 1029 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,880 Speaker 1: Am Tyler. The FTC says that rule would increase wages 1030 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: across the board for American workers by nearly three hundred 1031 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 1: billion dollars per year and expand career opportunities for about 1032 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 1: thirty million Americans. The rule would make it illegal for 1033 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,240 Speaker 1: a company to enter into a new non compete agreement 1034 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: with a worker or maintain an existing non compete and 1035 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,720 Speaker 1: companies would mostly not be allowed to tell workers they're 1036 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: subjects to non compete clauses. Now, the proposed rule applies 1037 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 1: to all paid and unpaid employees, as well as independent contractors. 1038 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: It would require companies to cancel existing non compete agreements 1039 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: and tell workers they aren't in effect anymore. And Tyler, 1040 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce told us today that the FDC's 1041 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,280 Speaker 1: rulemaking is unlawful, and they told me today it's already 1042 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: contemplating legal action against it. So we're still some ways 1043 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: away here from this being implemented in full. But this 1044 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 1: is the opening bill of a big fight over non 1045 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: compete clauses in the United States of America. Chamber of 1046 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: Commerce hates it, obviously, I love it. You know they're 1047 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: going to fight it tooth and nail if this ultimately 1048 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,759 Speaker 1: does come to pass. Right now, is just a proposed rule, 1049 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: So they're in the like seeking comment period. Let's gohead 1050 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: and put the FTC release up on the screen here. 1051 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,239 Speaker 1: They say they're seeking public comment on the proposed rule, 1052 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,759 Speaker 1: as I just said, which is based on a preliminary 1053 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,320 Speaker 1: finding that non competes constitute an unfair method of competition 1054 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,479 Speaker 1: and therefore violate section five of the Federal Trade Commission Act. 1055 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: We've got a quote quote here from Lena Khan. The 1056 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,440 Speaker 1: freedom to change jobs is core to economic liberty and 1057 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 1: to a competit of thriving economy. Non Competes block workers 1058 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: from freely switching jobs, depriving them of higher wages and 1059 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: better working conditions, and depriving businesses of a talent pool 1060 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: they need to build and expand. By ending this practice, 1061 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,719 Speaker 1: the FDC's proposed rule would promote greater dynamism, innovation, and 1062 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,800 Speaker 1: healthy competition. Just to give you a couple of the 1063 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: pieces that are really important there is It's not just 1064 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 1: that it would end non competes. It would actually require 1065 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: employers to tell their employees that non competes are banned 1066 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 1: and they're not subject to them anymore, because there are 1067 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,360 Speaker 1: a few states that have actually banned non competes, but 1068 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: workers don't know that that's the case, so their employers 1069 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 1: will still have them signed these garbage non competes. They 1070 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: are actually meaningless in courts, but the workers don't know that, 1071 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,839 Speaker 1: so they still feel that they are subject to these 1072 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,520 Speaker 1: non competes and they can't leave and they can't go 1073 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 1: somewhere else. I think as some people who personally suffered 1074 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 1: from non competes. Crystal, Yeah, this is very near and 1075 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,920 Speaker 1: tears yes to the heart, and for legal reasons, we 1076 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,279 Speaker 1: can't go into all of it, but let's just say 1077 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: that it was a pain in the ass whenever we 1078 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 1: were launching something called Breaking Points. So whenever, all of you, 1079 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: if you personally want to make sure that the future 1080 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: founders of a Breaking Points type show wouldn't have to 1081 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: worry so much about noncompetes and probably could have had 1082 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot more peace in mind, job security, and more 1083 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,279 Speaker 1: if they were able to do so well, then this 1084 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: is something that you should support. But let's look, let's 1085 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 1: take it out of us completely, because we were the 1086 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,280 Speaker 1: lucky ones. The unlucky ones are the actual working class people. 1087 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,680 Speaker 1: Especially what they point to in the FTC release. It's 1088 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,919 Speaker 1: like hairstylists. The idea you as a salon can lock 1089 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,919 Speaker 1: in a hairstylust from going somewhere down the street because 1090 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,560 Speaker 1: they're going to offer you more money is insane. Yeah, 1091 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: and this is one of those things which is used 1092 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,319 Speaker 1: both at the white and blue collar level on a 1093 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: routine basis to lock people into unfair agreements. I've personally 1094 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: had a noncompete used against me twice in my career. 1095 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,239 Speaker 1: Both of them stop me from being able to make 1096 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 1: a but make jump or do something which would have 1097 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: paid me a lot more money and which would have 1098 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,319 Speaker 1: been a better career move. So you know, that's on 1099 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: a personal level, I obviously stuck it out as able 1100 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: to work it out, but it's it's very stressful, you know, 1101 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 1: whenever you're in that type of situation. And I'm you know, 1102 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,480 Speaker 1: at least was able to figure it out. There's some 1103 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 1: people who they're not and like you said, many employees, 1104 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: even in California, you know, where some of them are 1105 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: straight up illegal, they will still make them sign these 1106 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,319 Speaker 1: bunk agreements so that they at least think what this 1107 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: person is going to do. So I very much support this. 1108 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,759 Speaker 1: It's very important to have and have the ability for 1109 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 1: labor to move freely. And the only I guess exception 1110 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 1: would be like with training and you know, on a 1111 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: very specific skill, but like in a in a place 1112 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: where the you know, workers like and the skill it 1113 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 1: is like one of those things where that you can 1114 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 1: apply across all different sectors and it's one of those 1115 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: where you're clearly being locked in purely for the business's 1116 00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: own benefits. I think it's which is the overwhelming majority 1117 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,319 Speaker 1: of the case, and a lot of the instances you're 1118 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,760 Speaker 1: talking about you can solve with a non disclosure agreement, 1119 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,280 Speaker 1: where it's like, if you're learning trade secrets or whatever, 1120 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: that you can't then just walk across the stream and 1121 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 1: bring them to your competitor. Okay, that's a reasonable position 1122 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 1: ultimately to have. But no, I mean, let me give 1123 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 1: you an example that our producer Griffin highlighted for us 1124 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: at Jimmy John's Subway place, sandwich makers were not allowed 1125 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: to go work for another sandwich shop. Go ahead and 1126 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: put this third element up on the screen here, guys, 1127 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 1: this is insane. They had a noncomplete compete clause in 1128 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:37,440 Speaker 1: their contracts Jimmy John's franchises in New York. Those agreements 1129 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 1: barred departing employees from taking jobs with competitors to Jimmy 1130 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: John's for two years after leaving the company, and from 1131 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,000 Speaker 1: working within two miles of a Jimmy john store that 1132 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: made more than ten percent of its revenue from sandwiches. 1133 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 1: Think of the insanity and wildly unfair that is to 1134 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,720 Speaker 1: workers who for whatever reason left their Jimmy John's job 1135 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,399 Speaker 1: and want to go work somewhere else in their neighborhood, 1136 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 1: and they can't do it because of freaking non compete 1137 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,399 Speaker 1: from Jimmy John's total total insanity. And just to give 1138 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 1: you a sense of how widespread this is, I looked 1139 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,399 Speaker 1: up the numbers. These effect roughly twenty to forty five 1140 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,680 Speaker 1: percent of US workers in the private sector, and it 1141 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: holds down pay because of course job switching, and we've 1142 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 1: seen this really a lot recently with the great resignation 1143 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,000 Speaker 1: waven all of that. Changing jobs is one of the 1144 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,440 Speaker 1: primary ways that workers are able to obtain pay raises 1145 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,320 Speaker 1: for themselves, and so this cuts off one of the 1146 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,040 Speaker 1: primary avenues for workers to be able to get a raise. 1147 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,400 Speaker 1: The article I was reading also said that a lot 1148 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 1: of economists believe there's a lot of research that suggests 1149 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: that the reason why middle income worker pay has stagnated 1150 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,960 Speaker 1: in recent decades is exactly because of these non compete 1151 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,160 Speaker 1: So it may seem like a small issue and a 1152 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 1: little niche thing, and it didn't get a whole lot 1153 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: of press attention, but the reason we wanted to highlight 1154 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 1: it here is it actually could make a huge difference 1155 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 1: for the labor force. If it is ultimately hundreds of 1156 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: billions of dollars in worker wages could be unlocked by 1157 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 1: the release of noncompetes. Literally, I mean it could dramatically 1158 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,040 Speaker 1: change especially I think white collar work, but also it 1159 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: would have a big impact on blue collar work as well, 1160 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 1: where I would most want to see wage increases. Like 1161 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: I said, on a personal level, have suffered through it, 1162 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,600 Speaker 1: and also you know, I can just empathize with what 1163 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: it would mean, especially if you're imagine being in a 1164 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: precarious economic spot. You find a better job and you 1165 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 1: get a noncompete and they say that you can't do it, 1166 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 1: and it would have meant that you could have taken 1167 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 1: your kid out of daycare or put your kid in 1168 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,400 Speaker 1: daycare or something like that, or you know, somebody could 1169 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,920 Speaker 1: have stopped working, or you could have moved into a 1170 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,960 Speaker 1: better place because you can afford more rent. It's just 1171 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 1: it's really just not right. Indeed, it's done indeed, So guys, 1172 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: if you have feelings about it, go to the FDC website. 1173 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 1: In comments post Roles Sott Matt Stoler would want us 1174 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,360 Speaker 1: to make this rug. Okay, guys, we have to get 1175 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,600 Speaker 1: to the chaos that was unfolding in Brazil yesterday. We're 1176 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: watching this closely. So the backstory is Bolsonaro as a 1177 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 1: former president, he lost to Lula, and ultimately Lula was inaugurated. 1178 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: There were a lot of questions because leading up to 1179 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,800 Speaker 1: the election, Bolsnaro was engaging a lot of the same 1180 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: like Trumpian rutter A, calling into question the results of 1181 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 1: the election. But then after Lula I Bolsonnaro just basically 1182 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 1: he didn't concede, which of course would have been the 1183 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,040 Speaker 1: right thing to do. He didn't go to the inauguration, 1184 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 1: which also would have been the right thing to do, 1185 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,240 Speaker 1: but he just didn't say anything. And in his silence, 1186 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: his most hardcore supporters had been sort of losing their minds. 1187 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: They've been blocking roads, they've actually I just realized I 1188 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: didn't know this was going on. They were camping outside 1189 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:32,200 Speaker 1: of like military installations, hoping that the military would back 1190 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: them in some sort of a coup of Lula. Ultimately, 1191 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 1: and this came to an extraordinarily chaotic head yesterday. Let's 1192 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 1: go and put this image up on the screen. These videos, 1193 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:49,320 Speaker 1: you can see thousands of Bolsonaro supporters storming the country's congress. 1194 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: It's Supreme Court and their presidential offices on Sunday and 1195 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,400 Speaker 1: this was all over. You know, they claimed the election 1196 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 1: was stolen again. A lot of January sixth vibes here, 1197 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,920 Speaker 1: a lot stop the steal vibes here, A lot of 1198 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 1: the imagery was stunningly similar to what happened here on 1199 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,120 Speaker 1: January sixth, And of course this occurred on January eighth, 1200 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,640 Speaker 1: so the timing even was very similar. And you can 1201 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,440 Speaker 1: just you know, see people basically ransacking the place. It 1202 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 1: was a lot of property destruction and vandalism. There's I 1203 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,960 Speaker 1: see it looks like tear gas being dispersed, and you 1204 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: can see these overhead images of just thousands of people. 1205 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,120 Speaker 1: One of the differences here is, like with January sixth, 1206 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,320 Speaker 1: there was at least like a theory of how this 1207 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,200 Speaker 1: was going to work out for them. You know, they 1208 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: were ongoing with the certifying of the election. They thought 1209 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: if they came in, they pressure people, they got Mike 1210 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Pence to do their bidding, then maybe the results were 1211 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,200 Speaker 1: going to be overturned. There was no one there, so 1212 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 1: I think the idea was that just by them showing 1213 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: up in force and ransacking you know, the Congress and 1214 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Corps and the presidential offices, that maybe the 1215 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 1: military would come and back them up. I mean again, 1216 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: they've been camping outside of these military installations, or maybe 1217 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,640 Speaker 1: there'd be some mass populist upheaval that would help them 1218 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,880 Speaker 1: to be able to execute on their coup. Ultimately, all 1219 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 1: that really happened was security forces came in, cracked down, 1220 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: and hundreds of them were arrested yesterday and like frog 1221 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,720 Speaker 1: marched out of there. They're one of the other things, 1222 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,280 Speaker 1: which I don't know why that didn't happen on January sixth, 1223 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: By the way, it is kind of crazy that people 1224 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: were just allowed to like go back to their towns 1225 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,720 Speaker 1: and a lot of questions, a lot of questions. Yes, Indeed, 1226 01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 1: there also continue to be a lot of questions about 1227 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,160 Speaker 1: what happened here, Like, for example, there were reports that 1228 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,120 Speaker 1: there were forty buses that brought these rioters into Brazilia, 1229 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,760 Speaker 1: the capital here. All right, So who organized this? Where 1230 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: did that financial backing ultimately come from? No one knows 1231 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the answers to that. Lula, who now has been inaugurated 1232 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,600 Speaker 1: as president, is saying he is going to, you know, 1233 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,760 Speaker 1: prosecute those people who financed all of this There's also 1234 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,120 Speaker 1: another interesting note that broke last night. The Brazilian Supreme 1235 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 1: Court Justice decided late on Sunday to remove the governor 1236 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 1: of this part of Brazil for ninety days, alleging security 1237 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,080 Speaker 1: flaws that allowed the invasion of government buildings by supporters 1238 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 1: of Bolsonaro. One of the things the other key questions 1239 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 1: here is there are some video that appears to show 1240 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,000 Speaker 1: local police at the very least allowing this to occur, 1241 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: potentially assisting this local governor was a big ally of Bolsonaro. 1242 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,920 Speaker 1: So the fact that that local governor is being removed 1243 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court at least temporarily is also extraordinarily noteworthy. 1244 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 1: So a lot a lot of questions about what exactly 1245 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,800 Speaker 1: the hell happened here and who was involved in backing it. Yeah, 1246 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,720 Speaker 1: it's fairly odd. And also American right wing commentators or 1247 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,720 Speaker 1: at least I guess more like MAGA specifically stop the 1248 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,440 Speaker 1: steal ones are Yeah, January sixth affiliated, let's put this 1249 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Ali Alexander, who played a 1250 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: big role in January sixth, is I do not denounce 1251 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,960 Speaker 1: the unannounced impromptu capital tours by the people. The National 1252 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court in Brazil is illegitimate. Apparently Steve Bannon was 1253 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,440 Speaker 1: cheering it on as well. I don't really get what 1254 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,240 Speaker 1: currency that that would you would have, especially after the 1255 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,959 Speaker 1: drubbing of the Republicans in the midterms as a large 1256 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,160 Speaker 1: result of Stop the Steal Insaidety. Clearly a lot of 1257 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 1: people here were really pissed off. But I don't know 1258 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,160 Speaker 1: why to what happened here as a model exactly. I 1259 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,680 Speaker 1: mean my question, do you, because you know the situation 1260 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 1: better than I do, what is Bolsonaro's role in this? 1261 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,760 Speaker 1: Like from what I can tell, he stayed quiet. Right 1262 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,880 Speaker 1: now he's actually here in the United States, which is 1263 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,640 Speaker 1: kind of crazy. I don't really know why he's even 1264 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,919 Speaker 1: here in the first place. But at the same time, 1265 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,360 Speaker 1: it's a difficult, if a different situation because he narrowly 1266 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 1: lost power. But as Glenn said on our show, Bolsonarismo 1267 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,720 Speaker 1: is now in power all across Brazil. Like there his 1268 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:51,280 Speaker 1: party had major gains in what in the National Congress, 1269 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 1: as well as for key governorships in like South Paolo 1270 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,920 Speaker 1: and for Rio de Janeiro. So I don't understand the 1271 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 1: point of this is about him himself, because from what 1272 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,080 Speaker 1: I understand, like outside of Lula holding the presidency, the 1273 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 1: rest of the country is very much a Bolscenaro pro 1274 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,800 Speaker 1: Bowlscenaro country, at least in terms of this might be 1275 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 1: the party. Yeah, honestly, this might change that, you know 1276 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,240 Speaker 1: as a result. Yeah, I think that's a good question. 1277 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone really knows the answer to it. Yeah, because, 1278 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: as I said, on the one hand, you're like, okay, 1279 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean I sort of felt like the big danger 1280 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 1: had passed in Brazil because the inauguration happened. You know, 1281 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,920 Speaker 1: he just stayed quiet and left, and I was like, 1282 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,880 Speaker 1: you know what, that's fine. But because he hasn't said much. 1283 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,840 Speaker 1: He did tell them before when they were blocking roads, 1284 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 1: he told him to stop doing that, So let's give 1285 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,560 Speaker 1: him credit for that. He did yesterday after basically everything 1286 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 1: had happened, which is also very Trumpian because of course, 1287 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,720 Speaker 1: on January sixth, Trump waited for basically everything to have 1288 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,680 Speaker 1: happened and then you know, go home, great patriots, to 1289 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: wherever the hell he said. I mean, very similar vibes 1290 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,480 Speaker 1: from Bolscenaro yesterdays, Like, after everything had happened, he put 1291 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,520 Speaker 1: out some tweet statement saying like, okay, let's not do 1292 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: this this is no good. But you know, there are 1293 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people raising questions about whether there was 1294 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,800 Speaker 1: some direct involvement for him, whether his silence was ultimately 1295 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,920 Speaker 1: like an encouragement and incitement for his supporters. So I 1296 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,560 Speaker 1: don't think anyone really knows the answer to that at 1297 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,480 Speaker 1: this point. To your point about him being in Florida, 1298 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,240 Speaker 1: go ahead, But the fifth Element, we've got some images 1299 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,840 Speaker 1: of him. Now the fifth Element, guys, this is about 1300 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,280 Speaker 1: some of what Lula has done. He halted the privatization 1301 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,800 Speaker 1: of eight state owned gigantic companies, including the a state 1302 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,880 Speaker 1: owned oil enterprise, so he's already getting to work here. 1303 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,360 Speaker 1: But we have a vo of Bolscenaro, the fifth element, 1304 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,760 Speaker 1: just like walking around Florida, which is so strange to see. 1305 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,760 Speaker 1: He's in Orlando. He's at the home of an MMA 1306 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: fighter for some reason. I don't really know why, and 1307 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't know why the US, I don't know why Florida. 1308 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 1: The whole thing is very strange and interesting. Go to 1309 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:02,280 Speaker 1: the fourth element, guys. This is Lula's statement he had 1310 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,720 Speaker 1: Here's what he said. He said, you must have followed 1311 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,480 Speaker 1: the barbarism in Brazilia today. Those people we call fascists 1312 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,360 Speaker 1: the most abominable thing in politics invaded the palace in Congress. 1313 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,800 Speaker 1: We think there was a lack of security that suggests 1314 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of suggestion that perhaps, you know, the 1315 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,840 Speaker 1: local officials were kind of in on it. Whoever did 1316 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: this will be found and punished. Democracy guarantees the right 1317 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 1: to free expression. It also requires people to respect institutions. 1318 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,840 Speaker 1: There is no precedent in history of the country for 1319 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 1: what they did today. For that, they must be punished. 1320 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,560 Speaker 1: And we are going to find out who are the 1321 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,640 Speaker 1: financiers of those who went to Brazilia today and they 1322 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,800 Speaker 1: will all pay with the force of law. So that 1323 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,160 Speaker 1: is ultimately what Lula is saying. At the same time, 1324 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,840 Speaker 1: you have a reaction from some government officials here and 1325 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,080 Speaker 1: what quing Castro is, a member of Congress Democratic member 1326 01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,040 Speaker 1: of Congress, is actually calling for Bolsonaro to be extradited 1327 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,680 Speaker 1: from Florida back to Brazil, not only for this, which 1328 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,439 Speaker 1: you know, again we don't know exactly what or if 1329 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,520 Speaker 1: he was directly involved or implicated. He's also under corruption investigation. 1330 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's the comment from Lula. We'll see what 1331 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,400 Speaker 1: is uncovered from here, who was involved, what happens next, 1332 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: if this is like the end, or if they're going 1333 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,560 Speaker 1: to try some other sort of shenanigan and another like 1334 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 1: failed coup plot. But if they thought they were going 1335 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: to get a big populist uprising or the military to 1336 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,720 Speaker 1: come in and back them in their coup plans that 1337 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,680 Speaker 1: clearly ultimately didn't work out. Just on the US political front, Sager, 1338 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I saw a Joaquin Castro and AOC and I don't 1339 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,680 Speaker 1: know if there were others calling for Bolsonaro to be 1340 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,080 Speaker 1: extradited to Brazil. And I also saw President Biden coming 1341 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,440 Speaker 1: out and quote condemning the assault on democracy and on 1342 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,680 Speaker 1: the peaceful transfer of power in Brazil. I don't even 1343 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,120 Speaker 1: know about the extradition. I just personally think it gets 1344 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,240 Speaker 1: real sketchy whenever you have former heads of state who 1345 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,720 Speaker 1: are here in the country. Personally, just go back to 1346 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,760 Speaker 1: your own country and they can litigate it, because we 1347 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to get into some high stakes thing here. 1348 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,360 Speaker 1: You're not a citizen. You know what did I just 1349 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,919 Speaker 1: talk about in the previous blocks, having former controversial heads 1350 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,880 Speaker 1: of state just come here for seemingly no reason and 1351 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,480 Speaker 1: just hang out in Orlando. We don't need any of that, 1352 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,560 Speaker 1: and any of those problems your people are calling you back. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 1353 01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,040 Speaker 1: you join them, you can deal with it, and hopefully 1354 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,599 Speaker 1: he will treat you better than you treated him while 1355 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,880 Speaker 1: you were in office. Okay, let's go to the next 1356 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,599 Speaker 1: part here. This is just a hilarious showdown moment between 1357 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,760 Speaker 1: NPR A WBU WB. You are Boston reporter in an 1358 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:33,080 Speaker 1: interview with Andrew Callahan for his new documentary on HBO 1359 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,040 Speaker 1: kind of the Inside Story of January sixth, and I 1360 01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 1: think it's actually a fantastic view really into like the 1361 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,160 Speaker 1: heart of I'm not going to call it radicalism because 1362 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,160 Speaker 1: it almost dains it too much in terms of what 1363 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,920 Speaker 1: it is, but of you know, of QAnon, of Chan six, 1364 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,120 Speaker 1: of some of the just general maga insanity, of which 1365 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 1: I think he gives a relatively human portrait of. But 1366 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,320 Speaker 1: with this human portrait included, you know, interviews with Alex 1367 01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,439 Speaker 1: Jones and with other controversial figures of which this lady 1368 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,679 Speaker 1: just cannot compute. Let's take a listen. Don't you want 1369 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,800 Speaker 1: to get from Alex Jones the drinking with him while 1370 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:13,160 Speaker 1: he lifted late? I'm serious. I mean, you know this 1371 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,240 Speaker 1: is you know, one of the most despicable Americans in 1372 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: our history. How do you think the Sandy Hook parents 1373 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:31,720 Speaker 1: would feel about? Yes, well, the same. The lawyer Mark 1374 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,479 Speaker 1: Banks and represented most of the Sandy Hook families, loved 1375 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,000 Speaker 1: the scene. He told me that the film was great. 1376 01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,040 Speaker 1: I mean, she just cannot compute that there could be 1377 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,560 Speaker 1: any substance of interview with Alex Jones for this documentary 1378 01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,400 Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook thing, and trying to align him with 1379 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,600 Speaker 1: that as some sort of like platform and discussion is disgusting. 1380 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 1: The entire point of the documentary is to show the 1381 01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:01,080 Speaker 1: roots of clearly a significant event. To do that, you 1382 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,400 Speaker 1: need to interview people who were I don't even think 1383 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,560 Speaker 1: Alex was necessarily key, but I mean I guess to 1384 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 1: the whole ecosystem to try and understand that mindset. Why 1385 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't you interview Alex Jones for that doc How were 1386 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,439 Speaker 1: you going to have a documentary about January six and 1387 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,320 Speaker 1: not talk to people who were involved in January six? Yeah, Like, 1388 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:24,160 Speaker 1: how is that gonna It's funny because you know, the 1389 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,760 Speaker 1: topic is something that the mainstream process is very interested in. Yes, 1390 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,280 Speaker 1: they're very comfortable with they really want to talk about it, 1391 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,200 Speaker 1: but they're not totally comfortable with the way that Andrew 1392 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:38,000 Speaker 1: Callahan went about doing that, and we played before he 1393 01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,000 Speaker 1: got into it with Don Lemon, because Andrew wanted to 1394 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,360 Speaker 1: say to them like, this was about January six, but 1395 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,280 Speaker 1: it also was a critique of the media and of 1396 01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,000 Speaker 1: you guys sort of specifically, and the way that you 1397 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,519 Speaker 1: divide people into these camps. I mean, basically, like the 1398 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,519 Speaker 1: Matt tayebe Haye inc Thesis was an undercurrent, a meta 1399 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,720 Speaker 1: narrative of what was going on in this documentary which 1400 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,200 Speaker 1: I watched and I recommend to you guys too, and 1401 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,320 Speaker 1: Lemon really really took on bridge of that didn't really 1402 01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,320 Speaker 1: know how to deal with that critique whatsoever. And then 1403 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,640 Speaker 1: you have this line of questioning which is like, how 1404 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:15,320 Speaker 1: dare you interview Alex Jones, which, again, listen, Alex Jones. 1405 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,719 Speaker 1: He is a despicable person. He has a gigantic platform. 1406 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't need Andrew Callahan to platform. That's a good point. 1407 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,800 Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two, he doesn't portray Alex Jones 1408 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,679 Speaker 1: in a good light whatsoever. I mean, Alex Jones comes 1409 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:33,400 Speaker 1: off looking like a fool and a clown and totally disingenuous. 1410 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,960 Speaker 1: If you watch this documentary and the way that he's 1411 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,639 Speaker 1: ultimately portrayed. But there's just such a you know, there's 1412 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,800 Speaker 1: just such a mindset and an instinct towards censorship and 1413 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,160 Speaker 1: this whole like platforming concept that she's really struggling to 1414 01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,120 Speaker 1: get past. She also did the same thing with Fox, 1415 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:52,720 Speaker 1: and they always love to do this. They're always like, 1416 01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,000 Speaker 1: we're different from Fox. And the whole point of his 1417 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,960 Speaker 1: documentary and his critique of the media is like, no, 1418 01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,400 Speaker 1: you're not. You're all the same. You're dividing people, and 1419 01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,320 Speaker 1: he really gets to that and reveals also her mindset 1420 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,280 Speaker 1: for how she views herself in this discussion. Let's take 1421 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:13,439 Speaker 1: a listen right wing media, and so you don't consider 1422 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:19,759 Speaker 1: Fox mestre media, not when you got Tucker Well considered 1423 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:25,240 Speaker 1: so by people at more me Fox definitely, But they lie. 1424 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:38,520 Speaker 1: How's that mainstream school? But if I lie on NPR, 1425 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,160 Speaker 1: if they lie, that is mainstream. That's the whole point. 1426 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,719 Speaker 1: She's like, if I at NPR, you know, I would 1427 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: get in trouble for saying. First of all, NPR is 1428 01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,200 Speaker 1: the clown outlet which wrote that entire thing about why 1429 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,360 Speaker 1: we're not covering the Hunter Biden laptop story. Okay, so 1430 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,000 Speaker 1: the idea that they're all solely interested in telling the 1431 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,320 Speaker 1: truth and all that is bs. The whole point is 1432 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,880 Speaker 1: that all all of them are within a system which 1433 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,080 Speaker 1: is bad, and they love to try and hold Fox out. 1434 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,320 Speaker 1: It's like, no, you're just like Fox, frankly, just not 1435 01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,840 Speaker 1: as good at it. I mean, I don't even know 1436 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,120 Speaker 1: why you'd want to make this case, because to me, 1437 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:16,160 Speaker 1: like Fox loves to posture as we're outside the mainstream, 1438 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,200 Speaker 1: we're not mainstreaming, we're different, and I have always thought, 1439 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,600 Speaker 1: first of all, that's absurd. You get the largest audience 1440 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,640 Speaker 1: of any of the cable news networks. Of course you 1441 01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:32,120 Speaker 1: are definitionally mainstream. So that's why I'm not even sure 1442 01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,800 Speaker 1: from her ideological perspective, why you would want to make 1443 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,679 Speaker 1: this argument, because you're actually backing up what the story 1444 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,640 Speaker 1: they want to tell about themselves. Yeah, so now I 1445 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,919 Speaker 1: completely agree the idea that they're not mainstream is absurd. 1446 01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,479 Speaker 1: All of them are part of a deeply flawed system, 1447 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,160 Speaker 1: and I think Andrew did quite a good job of 1448 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 1: exposing it. By the way, people keept messaging me asking 1449 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: us to have him on the show. We tried very 1450 01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,120 Speaker 1: hard to love to have show on Andrew. We've been 1451 01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,080 Speaker 1: trying very hard. Apparently you told our representatives that you 1452 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,720 Speaker 1: don't want to come on, but hey, if you see 1453 01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,519 Speaker 1: this segment, we're not going to treat you in the 1454 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,160 Speaker 1: same way as NPR or all of that. You are 1455 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:12,680 Speaker 1: welcome on the show anytime. My friend, Crystal, what are 1456 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,719 Speaker 1: you taking a look at? Well, now that the first 1457 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,200 Speaker 1: battle in the Great GOP Rebellion of twenty twenty three 1458 01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,519 Speaker 1: is complete, what the hell was it actually all about? 1459 01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,160 Speaker 1: What did the rebels want? What did they win? Will 1460 01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,920 Speaker 1: it mean for all of us? After all? At times 1461 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,559 Speaker 1: during the fight it was actually a little hard to 1462 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,240 Speaker 1: discern exactly what the ass were, what principles were really 1463 01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,120 Speaker 1: at stake, especially since the twenty Holdowns weren't a united front, 1464 01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,040 Speaker 1: but rather a collection of different ambitions and grievances. This 1465 01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,439 Speaker 1: confusion was exacerbated by the fact that the two sides 1466 01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,080 Speaker 1: were both led by sort of pseudo Trumpian figures. Kevin 1467 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,599 Speaker 1: McCarthy was directly endorsed by Trump, of course, and had 1468 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,960 Speaker 1: as one of his top allies Marjorie Taylor Green woman 1469 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,280 Speaker 1: who has not found a Trump delusion she would not embrace, 1470 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,600 Speaker 1: and the twenty Rubbels were led by Matt Gates, a 1471 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,479 Speaker 1: pugilist whose natural gifts as a genuine asshole have made 1472 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,360 Speaker 1: him a natural for the Trumpian political esthetic. The media 1473 01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,040 Speaker 1: largely treated this fight as if it was something totally new, 1474 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,160 Speaker 1: totally different, and to be sure, we haven't had to 1475 01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,640 Speaker 1: speaker fight this lengthy in one hundred years. But as 1476 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,439 Speaker 1: the dust settles on this new GOP house majority, it 1477 01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,439 Speaker 1: seems to me most of the lines of this fight 1478 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,000 Speaker 1: weren't actually one set down by Trump in twenty sixteen, 1479 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,640 Speaker 1: but by the Tea Party back in twenty ten, and 1480 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,559 Speaker 1: by the Coke radical libertarian wing and Barry Goldwater before that. Yeah, 1481 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,720 Speaker 1: there are a few Trump era twists that are new 1482 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,880 Speaker 1: and different, and frankly, these are the only pieces which 1483 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,040 Speaker 1: are interesting and not terrible. The potential defense spending cuts, 1484 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,599 Speaker 1: the deep state investigation, which Sager is digging into in 1485 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,880 Speaker 1: his monologue, but the overwhelming bulk of the concessions are 1486 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,559 Speaker 1: actually antithetical to Trump's twenty sixteen break from GOP economic orthodoxy. Remember, 1487 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,160 Speaker 1: back then he was the guy who trashed the neoliberal 1488 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,519 Speaker 1: consensus of trade deals and deficit hawks and would be 1489 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,639 Speaker 1: social security cuts. But now with this fight, we're officially 1490 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,920 Speaker 1: back to twenty ten with all its hostage taking over 1491 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,759 Speaker 1: spending cuts and demands, the slash social spending, including potentially 1492 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,120 Speaker 1: social security and medicare. There's nothing new about these politics, 1493 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,519 Speaker 1: and they sure as hell are not populist. But this 1494 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,840 Speaker 1: is predictably exactly what you get when you have a 1495 01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,599 Speaker 1: party that, under Trump embraced vibes and aesthetics than actual 1496 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,560 Speaker 1: political content, because there are a million DC orcs billions 1497 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,559 Speaker 1: of dollars ready to fill your empty vessel with the 1498 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,240 Speaker 1: anti attax, pro plutocrat starve the poorest ideology that has 1499 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,040 Speaker 1: been haunting this town for decades. Now, let me be 1500 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,639 Speaker 1: a little bit specific here about these concessions, at least 1501 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,759 Speaker 1: what we know of them and what they ultimately will meet. Remember, 1502 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,719 Speaker 1: since Democrats hold the Senate and the Lighthouse, the most 1503 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,599 Speaker 1: critical action the session is going to be on items 1504 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,719 Speaker 1: with the House and the Senate must actually act together 1505 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,919 Speaker 1: in order to keep the basics of government operating. So basically, 1506 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,439 Speaker 1: the whole game here is the debt sealing and the 1507 01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,280 Speaker 1: government budgeting process. The debt ceiling doesn't get lifted, economic 1508 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,439 Speaker 1: chaos could ensue. If the government doesn't get funded, it 1509 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,760 Speaker 1: shuts down with huge ramifications for basic societal functioning. The 1510 01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,559 Speaker 1: concessions given by McCarthy make it much more likely that 1511 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,400 Speaker 1: ordinary Americans will suffer because of radical anti government ideologues. 1512 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,000 Speaker 1: In fact, many of the twenty who are opposing McCarthy 1513 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,880 Speaker 1: were explicit that their core demand was a pledge that 1514 01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,559 Speaker 1: McCarthy would use the debt sealing fight to hold the 1515 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,519 Speaker 1: entire nation hostage in the name of fiscal austerity. South 1516 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,000 Speaker 1: Carolina Republican Ralph Norman said. Ralph Norman said that he 1517 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,479 Speaker 1: would never vote for McCarthy until he was willing to 1518 01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,759 Speaker 1: shut the garment down ruther than raise the debt ceiling. 1519 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,599 Speaker 1: He described it as a non negotiable item. A letter 1520 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,719 Speaker 1: that was sent by seven of the holdowns last month, 1521 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,160 Speaker 1: they demanded that a debt ceiling showdown occur and that 1522 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,080 Speaker 1: they balance the budget in ten years. Even if they 1523 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,840 Speaker 1: actually follow through on a defense budget cut, the bulk 1524 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,840 Speaker 1: of the spending cuts are going to come from vital 1525 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,479 Speaker 1: and popular programs, things like Medicare and social Security, that 1526 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,440 Speaker 1: make up significant chunks of the federal budget. This dramatically 1527 01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,080 Speaker 1: unpopular agenda appears to be exactly what the radicals have 1528 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,599 Speaker 1: ultimately won. McCarthy agreed to change the process for passing 1529 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,759 Speaker 1: spending bills in a way that empowers the most anti 1530 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,519 Speaker 1: government radicals. He also pledged to send the country into 1531 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,439 Speaker 1: economic crisis, run lift the debt ceiling with no spending 1532 01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,439 Speaker 1: cuts for the rebels. Going to war with DC elites 1533 01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,280 Speaker 1: might be popular, but the actual provisions that they were 1534 01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,720 Speaker 1: warring over are decidedly not. Republicans know this, by the way, 1535 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,800 Speaker 1: when Rick Scott flowed a similar program as head of 1536 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,800 Speaker 1: the NRSC, Republicans who actually wanted to win elections, like 1537 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,120 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell trashed him for it. Wouldn't touch it with 1538 01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,760 Speaker 1: a ten foot pull. Now they're implementing exactly the unpopular 1539 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,479 Speaker 1: agenda that they tried desperately to run away from back then. 1540 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 1: Additional reported concessions have to do with power. Any single 1541 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,880 Speaker 1: Caucus member can now call essentially a vote of no 1542 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,240 Speaker 1: confidence on McCarthy powerful rules Committee which effectively governs how 1543 01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,040 Speaker 1: legislating occurs, that's going to be dominated by hard right 1544 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,120 Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus members on their own. These provisions aren't really 1545 01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,160 Speaker 1: good or bad, since it all depends on whether that 1546 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,200 Speaker 1: new power is going to be used for good or ill. 1547 01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,479 Speaker 1: But again, this group has made it clear what they 1548 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,920 Speaker 1: want to do with that power, and it's hostage taking 1549 01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,639 Speaker 1: spending cuts which will hurt the working class, and maintaining 1550 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,559 Speaker 1: criminally low tax rates on the rich. In fact, one 1551 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,200 Speaker 1: reported concession requires a three fifths vote in order to 1552 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,160 Speaker 1: raise tax rates. I can assure you this provision does 1553 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,880 Speaker 1: not have you average taxpayer in mind, but rather the 1554 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,479 Speaker 1: goodies and giveaways that the ultra rich wish to benefit 1555 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,960 Speaker 1: from in perpetuity. Listen, Trump, the man and the movement 1556 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,320 Speaker 1: lives on. He may well once again be the GOP 1557 01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,200 Speaker 1: standard bearer, but nearly all of the economic content of 1558 01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,320 Speaker 1: Trumpism was abandoned long ago, leaving literally anyone the ability 1559 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,559 Speaker 1: to claim the mantle of supposed populism even as they 1560 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,080 Speaker 1: gnash their teeth in favor of a raft of plutocraft 1561 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,720 Speaker 1: friendly policy priorities. Fighting the powers that be feels like 1562 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,320 Speaker 1: a populous revolt when given a thirty second gloss on 1563 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,120 Speaker 1: cable news. I too enjoyed watching Kevin McCarthy's repeated humiliation 1564 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,879 Speaker 1: over and over again. But what was one is ultimately 1565 01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,479 Speaker 1: a more hardline entrenchment of capital and the same old 1566 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,800 Speaker 1: policies that create socialism for the rich. And rugged individualism 1567 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,799 Speaker 1: for everyone else, and Sager the way that the Republican 1568 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,680 Speaker 1: Party has really been able And if you want to 1569 01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,000 Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber 1570 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:44,920 Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, Sager, aready looking 1571 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,439 Speaker 1: at it well as fun as the drama that unfolded 1572 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,280 Speaker 1: last week with Kevin McCarthy's humiliating effort to barely attain 1573 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,599 Speaker 1: the speakership was, it still has a tremendous consequence. Crystal 1574 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,719 Speaker 1: and I are both looking at it's harbingers of major 1575 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,080 Speaker 1: fights to come spending. Of course, the debt ceiling, Ukraine 1576 01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,320 Speaker 1: all of that, but potentially one of the most significant 1577 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,000 Speaker 1: demands that Kevin McCarthy was forced to assent to was 1578 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 1: the establishment of a new Church style committee to investigate 1579 01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,200 Speaker 1: the intelligence agencies. For those who don't know, the Church 1580 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,559 Speaker 1: Committee was a tremendously important event in modern American history. 1581 01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,120 Speaker 1: It was established in nineteen seventy five after nearly two 1582 01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:21,280 Speaker 1: decades of FBI and CIA malfeasance royal to the entire country, 1583 01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,479 Speaker 1: from creating Charles Manson to coordinating hit jobs on leftist 1584 01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,959 Speaker 1: black leaders to drugging people without their knowledge and possibly 1585 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,040 Speaker 1: even orchestrating the killing of our thirty fourth president. Everyone 1586 01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,439 Speaker 1: at the time was just exhausted by scandal after scandal 1587 01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,880 Speaker 1: and the just absolutely insane rogue behavior of our law 1588 01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,080 Speaker 1: enforcement and spy agencies. Here's how Senator Church laid out 1589 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,360 Speaker 1: his committee and its importance at the time. There has 1590 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,479 Speaker 1: never been a full public accounting of FBI domestic intelligence operations. Therefore, 1591 01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:54,400 Speaker 1: this committee has undertaken such an investigation. Its purpose is 1592 01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,160 Speaker 1: not to impair the FBI's legitimate law enforcement and counter 1593 01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:01,320 Speaker 1: espionage functions, but rather to evaluate themmestic intelligence according to 1594 01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,360 Speaker 1: the standards of the Constitution and the statutes of our land. 1595 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,599 Speaker 1: If fault is to be found, it does not rest 1596 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,639 Speaker 1: in the bureau alone. It is to be found also 1597 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,360 Speaker 1: in the long line of Attorneys General, presidents and Congresses 1598 01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:21,920 Speaker 1: who have failed, who have given power, rather and responsibility 1599 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:26,400 Speaker 1: to the FBI, but have failed to give it adequate guidance, direction, 1600 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:31,840 Speaker 1: and control. Information is a powerful resource. One of the 1601 01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:38,639 Speaker 1: FBI's most significant features is its system for efficient processing, filing, 1602 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,880 Speaker 1: and retrieving of the data it gathers. The potential dangers 1603 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,200 Speaker 1: in this system are obvious. Today. We are here to 1604 01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,000 Speaker 1: review the major findings of our full investigation of FBI 1605 01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:54,439 Speaker 1: domestic intelligence, including the Cointail program and other programs aimed 1606 01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:59,240 Speaker 1: at domestic targets, FBI surveillance of law abiding citizens and groups, 1607 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,240 Speaker 1: political abuses of FBI intelligence, and several specific cases of 1608 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:11,160 Speaker 1: unjustified intelligence operations. These hearings have one overriding objective, the 1609 01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:15,920 Speaker 1: development of sufficient information for Congress to legislate appropriate standards 1610 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,080 Speaker 1: for the FBI. The Church Committee was established right after 1611 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,559 Speaker 1: the resignation of Richard Nixon and when people in power 1612 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,840 Speaker 1: just could no longer deny the decades long insanity that 1613 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,240 Speaker 1: it existed at the top, and it yielded real and 1614 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,920 Speaker 1: stunning results. The Church Committee made public and questioned senior 1615 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:35,120 Speaker 1: officials involved in mass illegal activity of pointed directly and 1616 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,519 Speaker 1: manipulating the American public, including the official recognition of the 1617 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,559 Speaker 1: MK Ultra program, Cointel pro Operation Mockingbird, the beginnings of 1618 01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,000 Speaker 1: mass telephonic surveillance. The Church Committee actually wrote the rules 1619 01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,599 Speaker 1: and put in place safeguards for the FBI and the 1620 01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,200 Speaker 1: CIA and the rest of the intelligence community, which by 1621 01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,479 Speaker 1: and large worked okay for a while. More importantly, what 1622 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,920 Speaker 1: the Church Committee really did was re establish American trust 1623 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,400 Speaker 1: in spy agencies with the public who were disgusted by 1624 01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,720 Speaker 1: their illegal and immoral activity. In plain sight, we are 1625 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,479 Speaker 1: at a similar breaking point right now, and it's why 1626 01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,240 Speaker 1: I actually welcome this news. As part of McCarthy's bid 1627 01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,439 Speaker 1: to win the speakership, he was forced to promise this 1628 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,080 Speaker 1: new style of committee. It's going to investigate the domestic 1629 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,759 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies and their interference not only in domestic politics, 1630 01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,120 Speaker 1: as we've plainly seen now over the last five years, 1631 01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,960 Speaker 1: but to some extent, their coordination, in some cases outright 1632 01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,160 Speaker 1: direction of big technology companies, and censorship. This committee is 1633 01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,680 Speaker 1: needed now more than ever because we are in a 1634 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 1: very similar period in American history. The limited safeguards that 1635 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,200 Speaker 1: existed within the FBI and the CIA vanished twenty years 1636 01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,879 Speaker 1: ago on nine to eleven. From that day forward, combined 1637 01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,600 Speaker 1: with the legislation enacted by the Bush administration, we have 1638 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,880 Speaker 1: seen the mass surveillance program accelerate beyond our wildest dreams. Worse, 1639 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,559 Speaker 1: we actually saw our so called terrorism apparatus promised by 1640 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,280 Speaker 1: the FBI and the CIA's always be appointed outwards at 1641 01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,679 Speaker 1: our adversaries, turned inward at American citizens. In the last 1642 01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,360 Speaker 1: few years, cheered on by those who once decried those 1643 01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,600 Speaker 1: powers when they were used by George W. Bush against Muslims. 1644 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,160 Speaker 1: The new Committee to Investigate the Intelligence Community will specifically 1645 01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,559 Speaker 1: focus on quote, the weaponization of the federal government. Its 1646 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,840 Speaker 1: authority will include access to intelligence operations within all law 1647 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,240 Speaker 1: enforcement agencies, and it will examine surely the current investigation 1648 01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,120 Speaker 1: into Donald Trump and the holding of classified information at 1649 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:23,479 Speaker 1: Mara Lago, but also the origins of coronavirus, civil liberties 1650 01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,840 Speaker 1: concerns about illegal spying on American citizens. The committee, as 1651 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,559 Speaker 1: the rules are currently drafted, would enable lawmakers to access 1652 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,800 Speaker 1: the most classified information normally shared only with the House 1653 01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,360 Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee, including covert operations, and the scope in the 1654 01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,240 Speaker 1: size of the committee are already being attacked by FBI 1655 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 1: and CIA defenders calling it a partisan witch hunt, which look, 1656 01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,360 Speaker 1: maybe it is. Which is where I really want to 1657 01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,320 Speaker 1: focus on. The difficulty in our current environment is that 1658 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,040 Speaker 1: one party does not trust the intelligence community and the other, 1659 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,840 Speaker 1: at least the base does Neither are doing so for 1660 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,480 Speaker 1: particularly principled reasons. It arises from the domestic political conditions 1661 01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,200 Speaker 1: of the time involving Trump. That's why I think it's 1662 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,760 Speaker 1: actual ABD absolutely essential to get to the truth of 1663 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,320 Speaker 1: what really happened during the BLM riots on January sixth, 1664 01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,000 Speaker 1: with COVID, the cover up Russia Gate with Trump, mar 1665 01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:13,599 Speaker 1: A Lago, the Clinton investigation Big Tech. That this new 1666 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,360 Speaker 1: committee has to work with any Democratic lawmaker who has 1667 01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,160 Speaker 1: shown skepticism of the intelligence community and in good faith 1668 01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,120 Speaker 1: would co sign at least some of the probes. The 1669 01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,280 Speaker 1: current knock on the committee by liberal outlets like The 1670 01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,160 Speaker 1: Daily Beasts and commentators like Joe Scarborough is it lacks 1671 01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,320 Speaker 1: legitimacy because Democrats won't sign on. Yet in the same 1672 01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,479 Speaker 1: breath they say that the FBI and the CIA have 1673 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,679 Speaker 1: done nothing wrong, that they're acting honorably and are continuing 1674 01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,520 Speaker 1: to serve as mouthpieces for the deep state. A successful 1675 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,920 Speaker 1: Church style committee can do three important things. Number one, 1676 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,879 Speaker 1: just simply give us the facts. Information, everything on politically 1677 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,880 Speaker 1: motivated or ideological motivated action over the last twenty years. 1678 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,200 Speaker 1: Information is everything. As Senator Church said, it's why even 1679 01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,719 Speaker 1: today they're hiding the GFJAFK files, even though everyone involved 1680 01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,040 Speaker 1: is dead. Number two, draft new rules. This will be 1681 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,599 Speaker 1: the most difficult part, but perhaps the most essential, especially 1682 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,400 Speaker 1: to be bipartisan. When we discover everything that has been 1683 01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,880 Speaker 1: done to us. We will have to establish new rules 1684 01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,560 Speaker 1: that apply to the IC and to everybody. But we 1685 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,080 Speaker 1: cannot create these new rules without seeing how the current 1686 01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,880 Speaker 1: ones have been violated. Three, perhaps the most important, all 1687 01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,880 Speaker 1: of us need to have confidence that these agencies don't 1688 01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,479 Speaker 1: work for one political party or one ideology. Everyone has 1689 01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,040 Speaker 1: to trust and have confidence that we're being worked for, 1690 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,320 Speaker 1: not worked on or worked against. Sure Enough, there are 1691 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,800 Speaker 1: people out there who will always cry foul, but only 1692 01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,439 Speaker 1: the most ardent I think MSNBC liberal at this point 1693 01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,000 Speaker 1: can say that these agencies are doing a good job. 1694 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,880 Speaker 1: It is time for a new church style committee, and 1695 01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,840 Speaker 1: I'm actually glad to see the makings in one, and 1696 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,400 Speaker 1: I hope that they try and recreate at least someone 1697 01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,920 Speaker 1: what made the original one so important in the first place. 1698 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,240 Speaker 1: And that's really what you alluded to in our previous conversation, 1699 01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Christ which is could be And if you want to 1700 01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,800 Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber 1701 01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:02,240 Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot com. Okay, guys, thank you so 1702 01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,200 Speaker 1: much for joining us, for bearing with us. Has been 1703 01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:05,960 Speaker 1: a long show. We had a lot to say. I've 1704 01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:07,800 Speaker 1: been off for a little bit while I'm so happy 1705 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,519 Speaker 1: to be back here in the studio with you, Crystal, 1706 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,960 Speaker 1: and I'm very happy for our live show that's coming 1707 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,040 Speaker 1: up on February third. Go ahead and buy tickets if 1708 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,400 Speaker 1: you haven't done so as well, But otherwise we'll be 1709 01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,160 Speaker 1: back here on Tuesday, normal schedule from here on out, everybody, 1710 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,479 Speaker 1: don't worry about it, and we will see you all later. Yes, 1711 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,960 Speaker 1: and remember we have moved counterpoints to Wednesday. Counterpoints on 1712 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,760 Speaker 1: Wednesday and the graphic will reflect that. Yes, yeah, yeah, 1713 01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,200 Speaker 1: So anyway, we have shows Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday for 1714 01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,840 Speaker 1: you now at Counterpoints being the Wednesday show. We'll see 1715 01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,160 Speaker 1: you back here tomorrow, guys, Love y'all,