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Speaker 1: Welcome to Big Blue Kickoff live right here on giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com. I am John Schmolki his lance Meat on

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Speaker 1: the phone number for you is two one nine four

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Speaker 1: or five one three. It's all presented by Corps Light

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Speaker 1: and Lands. Obviously, a big day in giants Land. The

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Speaker 1: announcement came down yesterday that the Giants and oh Though

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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Had agreed to a contract extension. Um and

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Speaker 1: boy uh, a very glorious and happy day for Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Where you started coming in is late because

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Speaker 1: he was just out there meeting the media. He finished

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Speaker 1: up around one fifty eight, so we kind of ran in,

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Speaker 1: talked about the show to and to do the show.

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Speaker 1: He talked about his contract, obviously, so let's get into

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff he talked about. Obviously that the

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Speaker 1: Giants don't disclose the terms of the contracts, so we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna go through some of the numbers um with you,

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Speaker 1: but needless to say, it's long and it's sizeable. To

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Speaker 1: quote Dave Gentleman, they have him on their control until

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Speaker 1: he's about a hundred and four I think, so he'll

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Speaker 1: be here for the duration of the prime years of

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Speaker 1: his career. Um, and then he's being paid handsomely. We'll

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Speaker 1: leave it at that. And he and without doing terms,

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Speaker 1: by any actual measure, he's the highest paid wide receiver

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Speaker 1: in football, which is what they talked about at the

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Speaker 1: press conference today. So lands anything particularly, I got a

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Speaker 1: couple of things on my list that struck me what

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Speaker 1: he said today's press conference, how about you, Well, I

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Speaker 1: think he put his career in perspective over the last

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Speaker 1: few months. I think as he was going through practice,

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Speaker 1: the rehab process also provided him with a mindset in

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Speaker 1: terms of how important this offseason was John, not just

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Speaker 1: for the contract, but could be very well a turning

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Speaker 1: point in his career, given the fact that he's striving

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Speaker 1: to get back to where he was before the injury.

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Speaker 1: So I think he did a nice job, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of summarizing all of that. And the term that

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Speaker 1: risks and that was a good one from Okay, So

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I'm still that perhaps, but you were

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Speaker 1: gonna throw out that was the one term that jumped

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Speaker 1: out to me. And just to provide context for the viewers,

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Speaker 1: he was asked the question about well, how much was

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Speaker 1: the contract in the back of your mind. When you're

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Speaker 1: going out there in practice, you're coming off a serious

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Speaker 1: ankle injury. God forbid, your reaggravated. What does that mean

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Speaker 1: for the contractual negotiation? He said it wasn't a risk.

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Speaker 1: He corrected the reporter. He said it was a calculated risk.

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Speaker 1: And what he spoke about John was it's easy to

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Speaker 1: think when you go out in practice, you have familiarity

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Speaker 1: with the personnel you're going up against. Okay, Eli Apple

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Speaker 1: knows you're coming off an ankle injury. Generora's Jenkins knows

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Speaker 1: you're coming off an ankle injury. He trust them, they

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Speaker 1: trust him, and that relationship allowed him to be aggressive

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Speaker 1: and also proved to the organization that he was ready

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Speaker 1: this contract well. And I think he also understood the

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Speaker 1: importance in showing the organization that he was drawing up

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Speaker 1: and he said a couple of times during that press

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Speaker 1: conference that I'm growing up. I'm starting to understand them

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Speaker 1: becoming more mature and and we've always talked about on

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Speaker 1: the show. To me, he was never a bad guy.

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Speaker 1: Was the immaturity that sometimes um kind of came up

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Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. And I think he's becoming

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Speaker 1: more of an adult. He's only a couple of years

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Speaker 1: so and he understood that for him to get the

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Speaker 1: John Marris said in the release that we threw out

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Speaker 1: past five or six months since the offseason training program

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Speaker 1: how he handled himself, how he works, and how he

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Speaker 1: does all that. Remember, folks, he was healthy. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: He wasn't. That was his choice. He didn't have to

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Speaker 1: that was his choice. So what was different He understood that,

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Speaker 1: And he talked about the younger guys watching him and

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Speaker 1: You know, he always seemed the kind of a little annoyed,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it was pro football talk, and

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Speaker 1: Mike Floyd is a good job, but I think he's

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Speaker 1: way off based on this. He said he talked about

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Speaker 1: the parameters of the contract and he made an asinine

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Speaker 1: point how he likes Sammy Watkins contract better, which to

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Speaker 1: me is insanity given Odell Beckham has twice the number

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Speaker 1: But couldn't imagine how good it would have been if

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Speaker 1: because I think, and that's why he called it a

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Speaker 1: calculated risk. He understood that he had a role in

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Speaker 1: both sides operated in good faith. And that's how you

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Speaker 1: something Ordell Beckham Jr. Also Said during the press conference today.

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Speaker 1: And it works and it makes sense and everybody's happy

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Speaker 1: and it's unless thing to happen. Questions as the season

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Speaker 1: were alluding to, John fresh Slate is a terminology that

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer, So being around strengthen the relationship. Mutual respect

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Speaker 1: the contract. The other thing, and he spoke about, by

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Speaker 1: He even reflected on photos that Jarvis Landry has been

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Speaker 1: When something you love is taken away from you, I

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Speaker 1: and I think old Dell Beckham saw the light this

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Speaker 1: And the Giants rewarded him. That's how an organization builds

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Speaker 1: like probably not Landing College so much, but maybe the

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Speaker 1: other safeties that we have right now. I think the

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Speaker 1: guys that are best around the line of scrimmage or

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Speaker 1: probably Andrew Adams and Michael Thomas. Um. I've seen both

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Speaker 1: guys be very aggressive in making tackles, not surprising giving

433
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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas a special team skills. We've seen Andrew Adams

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Speaker 1: do that type of stuff before. UM. I think William

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Speaker 1: Gay is interesting because I don't after watching him in

436
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Speaker 1: the spring, I've had a lot of concerns about him

437
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Speaker 1: covering as a cornerback. But can he transfer almost the

438
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Speaker 1: same way Charles Woodson did when he played for the

439
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Speaker 1: you know when, from the Raiders to the project of

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Speaker 1: his career. Can and again I'm not saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a little bit older, he's thirty four, William gare

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Speaker 1: thirty three. Whatever. He is UM different situation. Not as

443
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Speaker 1: talented player, I get it, But can he take those

444
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Speaker 1: veterans smarts and transfer him to a safety position that

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Speaker 1: you are gonna rely on a lot for coverage If

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Speaker 1: you're putting landon Collins and that Dion Buchanan type roll

447
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Speaker 1: around the line of scrimmage. So he's been with the

448
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Speaker 1: twos now for two straight weeks. William Gay he played

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Speaker 1: with the twos in the preseason game number three. I

450
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Speaker 1: think he's interesting. Um. Obviously, Curtis Riley has been out there.

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Speaker 1: People seem to like his smarts and organizational communication abilities

452
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Speaker 1: from what I've seen, and he's another converted quarter. But yes, yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: he did play some safety in Tennessee. But again, yes,

454
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Speaker 1: he only played twelve games there ever even started a game.

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Speaker 1: I think he almost like twenty something career tackles. He

456
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Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of experience coming here. He's been

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Speaker 1: my biggest surprise, which we didn't cover three other day

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. And um, then the final guy

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Speaker 1: is Darien Thompson, who has to get back on the

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Speaker 1: field sideline. Yeah, so that's how I look at it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of those guys Jason are gonna

462
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Speaker 1: be like you know, Earl Thomas playmakers. Where they're getting

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Speaker 1: eight nine interceptions, which you want from that deep safety

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Speaker 1: spot is when they're in position to make a tackle,

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Speaker 1: they make the short tackle because they could be the

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Speaker 1: last line of defense and a lot of situations. They

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Speaker 1: have to take good angles when receivers catch the balls

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Speaker 1: in front of him. Same deal. They could be the

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Speaker 1: last line of defense and they have to be able

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Speaker 1: to make a play on the ball in the air.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what you're looking for. Don't make

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Speaker 1: the big mistake that's going to kill the team. I

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Speaker 1: think that's what they and they got to be able

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Speaker 1: to communicate to which I think is really near the

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Speaker 1: top of the list, because you see the field, John,

476
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Speaker 1: when you're a safety very differently than when you're the cornerback.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jason. To answer your question, John,

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Speaker 1: I think gave you a great layout of pretty much

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Speaker 1: all the personnel. But one thing that I will add

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Speaker 1: is Michael Thomas. To your point, last preseason game, he

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Speaker 1: was very aggressive at the line of scrimmagers saw and

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Speaker 1: make a play in the backfield. He's been an intriguing

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Speaker 1: player to me. Curtis Riley, by the way, Michael Thomas

484
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Speaker 1: is on the team simply because of a special team's ability.

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Speaker 1: Without doubt. Whether or not what Rolie plays at safety,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's on the roster. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, but I think that we can't just assume

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Speaker 1: that he's just gonna be a special teamer. But the

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Speaker 1: reason why I throw that out John is and I've

490
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Speaker 1: talked about this on the show, and the coaching staff

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Speaker 1: that's been tied to him with the Dolphins even talked

492
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Speaker 1: about when he came to Miami as a guy off

493
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Speaker 1: the Niners practice squad, within two days he knew enough

494
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Speaker 1: on defense to make the game winning interception against Tom Rady.

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Speaker 1: You could put him out there. He could be a

496
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Speaker 1: reliable jack of all trades defensive player. Curtis Riley. The

497
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Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind, I'm not talking about bodybuild

498
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Speaker 1: is because you were saying, you know, can you expect

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Speaker 1: him to get eight or nine interceptions? Well, did we

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Speaker 1: really expect Stevie Brown a number of seasons back to

501
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Speaker 1: be that opportunist thing of a player. Sometimes guys surprise

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Speaker 1: you because they're in the right place at the right time.

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Speaker 1: Could we have another Stevie brown S type of story?

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Speaker 1: Because Stevie Brown didn't have a tremendous pedigree, you know,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have a decorated resume, It's possible. I personally

506
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Speaker 1: think James Betcher is not going into the season. This

507
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Speaker 1: is my own personal opinion, John, and he's saying, you

508
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Speaker 1: know what, Curtis Riley is gonna be my every single

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Speaker 1: down back safety next to Landa cons I think he's

510
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Speaker 1: gonna try to maximize the roster. And I think you'll

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Speaker 1: see a little bit of Michael Thomas, You'll see a

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Speaker 1: little bit of Andrew Adams and whoever else is fortunate

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Speaker 1: enough to make this roster. Because versatility is a big

514
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Speaker 1: part of his defense. He likes to move guys around,

515
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Speaker 1: and that means that I don't think he's necessarily feeling

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Speaker 1: I've got to settle on one guy in particular. Thank you, Jason,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Let's go to Duke and Queen's online to Brandon,

518
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Speaker 1: what's going on? How are you Duke guys? What's coming in?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Shell and selling um really quick. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about like a few things. I hadn't

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Speaker 1: have two questions. Um. First of all, the O'Dell contract.

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Speaker 1: You know he he definitely deserves it, and I don't

523
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Speaker 1: mind paying him that much. The only thing I do

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Speaker 1: mind is us over paying. We're not over paining, but

525
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Speaker 1: but making a lot of guys the highest paid whatever

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Speaker 1: had their position. That's the one thing I do mind

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Speaker 1: because if if there is a position that I would love,

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Speaker 1: and even players like O'Dell and Landing, I would love

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Speaker 1: to give them a lot of money because they've been

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Speaker 1: doing great. But if there is a position where I

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Speaker 1: would want us to throw out some cash, it would

532
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Speaker 1: be for me. It would be somebody on like the

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Speaker 1: D line or a linebacker that can do that's known

534
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Speaker 1: for having a lot of sack. I know, and I know,

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Speaker 1: like Nate told that we needed him, so we had to,

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Speaker 1: you know, pay for him. But it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: always see him and like Duke, do time out? Time out?

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Speaker 1: One second? Do you remember the contracts they gave a Liviverna,

539
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Speaker 1: the Jason p har Paul and snacks too, by the way, Yeah,

540
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Speaker 1: they set quite a few marks. And here's the other

541
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Speaker 1: thing about the highest paid player at his respective position,

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Speaker 1: there won't be eight months from now. Well that's you

543
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Speaker 1: just took the words out of my mouth. See whenever

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Speaker 1: people throw that out. And I'm not accusing you, Duke,

545
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Speaker 1: but I think what we have to understand is NFL

546
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Speaker 1: contracts are about timing. Now, Odell Beckham deserves the contract.

547
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Speaker 1: He's arguably one of the most talented wide receivers in league.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not writing an exam, but you can't. You

549
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Speaker 1: can't look at the NFL is oh, why is Matt

550
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Speaker 1: Ryan the highest paid quarterback when he was or Jimmy

551
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Speaker 1: Garoppolo whatever. Because his agent went to the team and said, listen,

552
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Speaker 1: so and so just got this contract. That's where we're

553
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Speaker 1: gonna start to negotiate. So therefore, the team, if they

554
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Speaker 1: want to retain the services of their top quarterback, that's

555
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Speaker 1: what the market call sorce. So the Giants are in

556
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Speaker 1: a position where you look at what Antonio Brown got,

557
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Speaker 1: you look at what Julio Jones and so forth, and

558
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to move the bar up. The next

559
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Speaker 1: wide receiver is gonna move the bar ahead of Oldell. Example,

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans has the biggest before this contract, Mike Evans

561
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Speaker 1: had the biggest guarantee of his contract. Is of any

562
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Speaker 1: wide receiver? Does anyone think Mike Evans is the best

563
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Speaker 1: wide receiver in football? When he was for a contract,

564
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Speaker 1: he had the opportunity to set the market. So you

565
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Speaker 1: can't get caught up in highest paid. The Giants were

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Speaker 1: on the clock right now. They had to pay their

567
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, and that's what they had to do to

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Speaker 1: get the job. The highest paid player isn't always the

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Speaker 1: best player. Duke, Yeah, I don't mind that. It's just fine.

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Speaker 1: And you said it's time, all right, we're picking the

571
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Speaker 1: wrong time to pay somebody's guys. Well, dude, hold on,

572
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Speaker 1: when when do you want to pay Oldell Beckham? Then

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Speaker 1: whenever you pay him, you're paying him the most. I'm

574
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Speaker 1: just paying It was the other guys that problem. But

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Speaker 1: who so Ovie? But it was free agency, So Olivia

576
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Speaker 1: Vernon was a free agent. When when would have been

577
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Speaker 1: the appropriate timing to pay Olivia Vernon? How are you

578
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Speaker 1: gonna get him? Know, that's the thing, Duke. If you

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Speaker 1: want a premier pass rusher and free agency, you're gonna

580
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Speaker 1: have to pay. It's a premium position this yo. Oh

581
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Speaker 1: the sins. He's came on the team, no offense, like

582
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Speaker 1: he's played good. That's why we even went to eleven

583
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Speaker 1: and five. But what have we been winning? We haven't

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Speaker 1: been winning anything with him. So my point wasn't over

585
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Speaker 1: to try to not over pay him and get him.

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Speaker 1: My promis to not get him like that. Man. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna leave me in for my next question. Like before

588
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: last season has started. We knew the players that like.

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Speaker 1: For me personally, I I thought I had a good

590
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Speaker 1: grasp of the positions we should draft for and that

591
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: was offensive line and I was running back, which we

592
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Speaker 1: did do. So there's a beast that is coming out

593
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Speaker 1: of college this year by the name of Nick Bosa,

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Speaker 1: and I was wondering if you guys thought it would

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Speaker 1: be a wise move to maybe give a lot to

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Speaker 1: trade up assuming where we go. This is a hypothetical.

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Speaker 1: We haven't even played one game in the two eight season.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about the two thousand away

599
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Speaker 1: with me? But I have no idea where the Giants

600
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Speaker 1: are picking. I have no idea who's picking first. I

601
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Speaker 1: have no idea what kind of season nick boss and

602
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Speaker 1: a half. I'd literally be making stuff up. What's the

603
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Speaker 1: point that I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves.

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Speaker 1: And here's the other thing that I wanted to counter.

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Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon has been with the Giants or two seasons.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Duke. The first season he was here,

607
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Speaker 1: they won eleven games and made the playoffs, and the

608
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Speaker 1: defense was one of the best in the league. And

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Speaker 1: last season with injury prone no no no, Duke, I'm sorry.

610
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you get away with that. Okay,

611
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Speaker 1: he was in the league starting at two thousand twelve.

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Speaker 1: He played in sixteen games, every single game through two

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Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. Last year was the first season he missed

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Speaker 1: any games. Had he missed four games. That's a completely

615
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: misleading statement, Duke, completely misleading to say that he's injury prone. Well, no, no,

616
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get passionate about it because guys, guys throw

617
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Speaker 1: out the terminology. The facts do not show that. That's

618
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Speaker 1: completely misleading, completely misleadingly. Don't hit me. Well, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I understand your family. Sometimes you gotta be showing tough

620
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: love with family though, you know, I mean I do

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Speaker 1: got that. He Oh, trust me. We kept putting out

622
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Speaker 1: of fire. I'm cooking up a storm today. I want

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Speaker 1: to do it. Don't you worry? Yeah, go ahead and

624
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: go ahead. Your thoughts, your thoughts going into the season.

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Speaker 1: Given Eli Apple's performance in Prieston, I know, I know

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Speaker 1: it's preseason, but preseason has for this team been indicative

627
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: of something of something, you know, So, assuming he doesn't

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Speaker 1: perform the best of his abilities this upcoming season, should

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Speaker 1: we get rid of him. Should we look to trade

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Speaker 1: him for a guy like Martavis Brian? Should we? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: not Martavis Brian. What do you kidney? What Davis Brian

632
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Speaker 1: is one mistake away from being suspended for sixteen games?

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Speaker 1: No way? What do you kidney? How many wide receivers

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Speaker 1: do you want? By the way, you got like a

635
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: million guys to throw the ball to. Why do you

636
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Speaker 1: want to the wide receiver? Mad I'm just saying, what

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Speaker 1: do we do? What should we do? Well? Okay, do

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Speaker 1: do do? Do? Real quick? Online? Annie Lie Apple? I

639
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Speaker 1: think people need to temper expectations. Okay, I think Ela

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Speaker 1: Apple this year will be a starting caliber cornerback. Now,

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Speaker 1: am I telling you he's gonna be a pro bowler? No?

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Speaker 1: Am I telling you he's gonna be an upper echelon

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Speaker 1: starting corner No. Do I think he's gonna be good

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Speaker 1: enough to start on more than half the teams in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah. Absolutely, He's gonna give up some place

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Speaker 1: and he's not gonna be perfect. But given what's behind

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Speaker 1: him on the depth chart, I would be very hesitant

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Speaker 1: and looking to get rid of Elie Apple anytime soon. Okay?

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Speaker 1: All right? And and before I go, John I had

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Speaker 1: to ask Lansing and Paula this question. Uh. I thought

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Speaker 1: they both gave great answers, And I would ask you

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Speaker 1: like a fun question if you could. Last week I

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Speaker 1: asked it, if you could bring back one giant legend

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Speaker 1: and have them and put him on this current roster,

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Speaker 1: on this current team, who would you bring back in Why?

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Speaker 1: And no LT because that is too easy. Okay, no

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Speaker 1: LT because that's too easy. Thanks to guy. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the call. No problems I would bring back and the goals?

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Speaker 1: Who win the Super Bowl? Yeah, I mean obviously you

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Speaker 1: want to win. But but here's the here's the other

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Speaker 1: thing to take into consideration, and this was part of

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Speaker 1: my answer. I also need to look at the makeup

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Speaker 1: of the roster. Because I could bring back anybody, it's

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Speaker 1: got to be somebody that's gonna fill a need. I

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Speaker 1: just that's not process so offensively, I think you would

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Speaker 1: have to think about Chris Sney play right guard. I

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Speaker 1: think you think about, you know, pick whatever great right

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Speaker 1: tackle you want, whether you're talking about a Queen mackenzie

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Speaker 1: that's a real conversation starter, or I wouldn't go. That

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Speaker 1: came up with our conversation. I wouldn't pick a skill,

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Speaker 1: so I wouldn't pick you know, David left tackle too.

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Speaker 1: If Silder gets that's a nice guy to move over.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't pick a wide receiver, tight end and running

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Speaker 1: back because I think they're setting no spots it. Oh oh,

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Speaker 1: I think I know why I pick. How about Mlyn

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Speaker 1: Tennell corner? Okay, NFL leader in history and interceptions. You

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Speaker 1: bring another shutdown corner on this team. That's not bad

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Speaker 1: pass rusher wise. It's a three four so I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure straighthand makes sense because he's not three four outs

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Speaker 1: on linebacker. I would consider oc I like Oci standing

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Speaker 1: up on the outside rushing to pass her. I think

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Speaker 1: about that call Banks called Banks playing outside linebacker two

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Speaker 1: rushed pastor a little bit. I wouldn't mind little call um.

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Speaker 1: I mean Sam Hoff a right, great man, a winebacker.

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Speaker 1: I think I think about him. A lot of good

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Speaker 1: linebackers they choose from. What about safety? That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Do you bring back Everson Walls right? Think about that

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Speaker 1: control role? Yeah, guys like that. Trying to think about

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Speaker 1: the great safety. And Spider was another guy that we

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Speaker 1: brought up, Oh, spider is not bad, so yeah, because

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Speaker 1: that's where I went. I'm stinking history. Secondary would be

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Speaker 1: where I go. And I believe Paul also brought up

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Speaker 1: the name Rosie Brown. Oh that's the great tackle you

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Speaker 1: bring back Brown. That's a great call. If you want

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Speaker 1: to go offensive Rosy Brown. If you want to go defense, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say offensive line on offense and secondary player

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Speaker 1: on defense. That that was my mindset. When you evaluate

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Speaker 1: the Rose, I would think pass rusher too. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I'm three pass rusher. I would go three. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm still intrigued by what this depth chart is

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Speaker 1: going to produce in the regular season. On paper, in

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Speaker 1: the preseason, it looks encouraging. Yeah, it's a good question.

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Speaker 1: go to David Cranford, He's up next. What's going on, Dave? Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: this man, it's I'll tell you it's awesome when the

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Speaker 1: two of you together. There's a certain energy between two

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Speaker 1: of you, and that seems we don't like each other.

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Speaker 1: It's okay. Yeah, hey when you disagree, it's the best.

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Speaker 1: It's like he was must listened to radio. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome, Dave, Dave. Unfortunately for the both of us,

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Speaker 1: we've known each other for about fifteen years and there

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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here. So it's a problem

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Speaker 1: of history. Yeah, that makes me even better. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a reason why my chair is a little more to

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Speaker 1: the left up John is sitting on that side. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love it. So, So just two quick things to

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Speaker 1: get you guys in put on. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: the step back on this whole adult thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing to me. If you know somebody

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Speaker 1: wants to nitpick this in the contract, that whatever, I

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Speaker 1: really don't care. The fact of the matter is that

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Speaker 1: gentleman and shermer deserve a lot of credit. Um. Married

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Speaker 1: to the way that this is handled. I'm shocked. I'm

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Speaker 1: shocked that this is done at the time that's done. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the timing couldn't be better. As

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Speaker 1: far as O'Dell himself, I think the team and the

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Speaker 1: way that he's treated, I think the way it went down,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's remarkable and and I think if there was,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there were so many opportunities for

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Speaker 1: this to become a major distraction, and the fact of

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Speaker 1: the matter is it didn't. And I think I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people inside the organization deserve a lot.

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Speaker 1: And Dave gave credit to Odell too, because of O'Dell

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Speaker 1: din't show up here and do everything he had to do,

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Speaker 1: and no tis in mini camp and training camp, we

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be here either, So he gets just as much

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Speaker 1: credit as the Giants people in the front office, because

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Speaker 1: you're right, this could have went could have went sideways

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Speaker 1: a million ways, but both sides did what they had

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Speaker 1: to do to get to where we are. And if

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Speaker 1: you would have asked me before the year, what the

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Speaker 1: when the ideal time would be to figure out a contract,

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Speaker 1: it would have to be far enough along so that

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Speaker 1: the Giants know that he's healthy, but you know, not

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Speaker 1: so late that you interfere with the start of the

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Speaker 1: regular season. So this is, like you said, really they

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Speaker 1: hit the sweet spot. I mean, you don't get much

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Speaker 1: better than this, coming right down to the wire, but

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Speaker 1: not on the fringe of or whatever it may be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the other thing that I don't want to add

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Speaker 1: that we didn't bring up and we'll let you continue.

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Speaker 1: Dave on this topic. In the release that the Giants

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Speaker 1: sent out yesterday, John, I don't know if you noticed,

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Speaker 1: there was a Dave Gettleman quote, and what he said was,

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Speaker 1: I loved when Oldell Beckham spoke to the media and

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Speaker 1: said it will get done when it will get done.

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Speaker 1: He loved the fact that Odell Beckham, to your point,

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Speaker 1: he didn't feed into the frenzy and answered things the

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Speaker 1: way he should, which is, let's keep things calm. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing to panic about at this point. And Dave, he

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Speaker 1: said multiple times so that he never worried about this

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Speaker 1: not happening. He believed it was gonna happen. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's important when both sides, when when both sides

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Speaker 1: want the same thing, it's usually gonna have maybe not

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Speaker 1: a one, guys, John Bruden, but otherwise it's your your point,

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Speaker 1: Your your point is great. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any question that Odell deserves as much credit both

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Speaker 1: sides and I give them. I give them a lot

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Speaker 1: of credit. I think tied into that was the interview

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Speaker 1: yesterday that I'm sure you guys saw from Jack Rabbit

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Speaker 1: and he talked about, you know, um, the famous kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, relationship building with Shermer going to the

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Speaker 1: lunch room and that sort of stuff. And and I

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Speaker 1: think that's a big point to this team. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you look at last year, I mean

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Speaker 1: there was a million different issues, injuries, you name it,

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Speaker 1: but the culture, you know, the camaraderie, there was so

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Speaker 1: many breakdowns when the bottom line is you see Shermer

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Speaker 1: now you know again he's got to win. He's you know,

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Speaker 1: there goes without saying, but a good place to start

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Speaker 1: is here players. And I think you saw it in Odell.

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Speaker 1: I think you see it in Jack Rabbit. You've heard

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Speaker 1: it can instantly this summer, which has been the relationship

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Speaker 1: that Shermer has gone out of his way. So the

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Speaker 1: only other comment I would ask for you guys is

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Speaker 1: is maybe to make something about about Jacksonville in Week one,

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Speaker 1: to bring it back a little bit to football. And

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Speaker 1: that is and that is, you know, it's very fascinating

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Speaker 1: when you think about it, that that as we scout them,

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Speaker 1: we have all of last year's tape to look at

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Speaker 1: offensive and defensive schemes. Now they're gonna make some adjustments,

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Speaker 1: no questions, But how does Jacksonville scout us? What what

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Speaker 1: are they do when they when they look at us?

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Speaker 1: And Paul's brought this up, and I totally agree with him.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a big advantage for Shermer and his

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Speaker 1: staff to you know, have a different you know, a

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Speaker 1: different level of personnel, have a different scheme. And and

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I think that game in Jacksonville is

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Speaker 1: gonna come down to turnovers on defense and special teams

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Speaker 1: play um because it's gonna, you know, because they are

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Speaker 1: just a tremendous defensive team and they're gonna push us

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Speaker 1: beyond the leief. But so I love to get you

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Speaker 1: guys comments, I love talking. Appreciate it is an advantage

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Speaker 1: in that way. It's gonna be harder than the game plan.

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Speaker 1: No that about him. But what if the Giants offense

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Speaker 1: and defense aren't hitting at all cylinders yet? What if

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Speaker 1: they haven't reached their peak efficiency because the players haven't

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Speaker 1: played in real games yet in the system, So there

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Speaker 1: are two sides of that. You haven't had as many

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Speaker 1: reports under their belt. Actually I brought this point yesterday.

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Speaker 1: First of all, if you are Doug Marone, and his

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. You start game planning with respect to your

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Speaker 1: opponents all the way back in February, and Mark King correct,

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Speaker 1: So that was exactly what he's getting to. I think

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Speaker 1: from a logistics standpoint, John, they looked at a lot

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Speaker 1: of Viking stuff. They looked at a lot of Cardinal stuff,

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Speaker 1: just to see the scheme and on Minnesota's offense last year,

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Speaker 1: I've built this parallel a lot. It's not identical, but

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Speaker 1: Minnesota had two great wide receivers and Stefon Diggs and

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Speaker 1: Adam Ceeland. Okay, you've got Oldell Beckham and Sterling Shepard.

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Speaker 1: They relied on Kyle Rudolph, who did a great job

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Speaker 1: sending the tone in the middle of the field. Giants Evan,

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, Dalvin Cook was drafted, s Kwan Barkley, revamped

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Speaker 1: offensive line which was completely new, Mike Remer's and Riley

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Speaker 1: Reef resigned. Pat elf Line was drafted at center. Will

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Speaker 1: just to see how they line guys up and how

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Speaker 1: they structure it. So you know, yes, on the surface,

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Speaker 1: it seems overwhelming for Jacksonville. I think though the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: did a lot of homework beforehand. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: Should There'll be some surprises though, like anything I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure Jacksonville is changing things up because listen,

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Speaker 1: they just lost Marquise Lee by the way for the season.

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Speaker 1: It's a strike to your vauntage, Jacksonville wide receiver cars.

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Speaker 1: He's he's down there. You know. Oh, I'm definitely gonna

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Speaker 1: survive because Keelan Cole and d D. Westbrook played the

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Speaker 1: majority of the no you opened the door for it,

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Speaker 1: so and and Dave opened the door too. So if

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Speaker 1: there's any window for me to talk about the Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: Receiver Corps, it's gonna be here. I didn't bring it

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Speaker 1: up just when you watch this show on replay. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to get any angry tweets. Okay, this was

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Speaker 1: brought up by the callers and this guy to the

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Speaker 1: right of me. Those two guys filled in for Alan

850
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Hearns okay and Alan Robinson. As you chuckle and giggle

851
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: like a little school girl. They had plenty of reps,

852
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: so I think they'll survive. Anyway. Let's get well the

853
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: point that he Metho was a good one too on Sherman.

854
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: And I've said this on the show before. At least

855
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: I think I have some coaches lance, and I think

856
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: even in some ways until the very end, Tom had

857
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: trouble doing this. Tom Coughlin, he was here. They have

858
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: trouble getting out of the coach persona. They're always the coach,

859
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: no matter where, and when they see the guys, they're

860
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: always the coach, you know what I mean. Pat Charmer

861
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: is different, Like you can get into a conversation with

862
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: Pat Charmer and for a few minutes forget that he's

863
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: the head coach of the team, you know, and he

864
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: can talk to you on at human level. And I

865
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: think he's very good at sitting down with some of

866
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: these players and just interacting them like some I talking

867
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: to another guy. He's not always being you know, wearing

868
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: the whistle and trying to be the coach and doing

869
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: all that stuff. He's like he can act like a

870
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: real human being and step out of the head coach persona.

871
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's the type of stuff that Genos

872
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: Jenkins was talking about because what do you say whenever

873
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: you see head could sit down to you, what do

874
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: you worried that you did something wrong? Right? Well, why

875
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: does it have to be that the intimidating fact. It

876
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be that way. Why not just be

877
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: when you're not on the field and you're not trying

878
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: to teach something, be a real person. And I think

879
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: that does help. No, I think that's a great point.

880
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: The other thing that I'm interested, and I don't think

881
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: he's ever been asked this unless maybe you had some

882
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: conversations beyond closed doors when Bob does the radio introview

883
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: and so forth, is you know he's got a son

884
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: in college John, You don't think that that relationship maybe

885
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: helps him to relate to some of the younger players

886
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: on the team. I have not talked to him about.

887
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm wondering whether or not having a son in

888
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: college football who's a quarterback too, and being able to

889
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: relate to that and understand the younger generation perhaps helps him.

890
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: And the other guy that I'd be curious to know

891
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: whether or not that helped him is Jack del Rio.

892
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: Is Jack del Rio's son, if I'm correct, was the

893
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: quarterback at Florida before he got hurt when he was

894
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: coaching the Raiders, And you wonder you're looking at those

895
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: games a little bit differently because you have a kid

896
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: on the team, and does that help perhaps your relationship

897
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: with the players. Just something I'm throwing out here. I'll

898
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: say this though, Paul Latino has a daughter that only

899
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: graduated college a few years ago, and he cannot relate

900
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: real well to young people. So well, I don't know

901
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: how much he gets into it with her. Come on, John,

902
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: you know it's a little apples and oridges here, Okay,

903
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: but I I see your point with that. We want

904
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: to remind you that Big Blue Kickoff Live is presented

905
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,360
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00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: an amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. Antonio in Manhattan

907
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: is up next. Hi Antonio? What's going on in Lands

908
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: and John? And how you guys doing, How Antonio has

909
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: things with you? I'm glad I'm calling today because there's

910
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: just so much that we want to talk about. I'll

911
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: try to do it up. I know you guys only

912
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: have it now where I just want to say I

913
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: want to I want to pat myself in the bag.

914
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Because I said a couple of things. I said, J P.

915
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Peep didn't to fit the scheme. He got traded. I

916
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: was speaking to you two guys um way back when,

917
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: and I told you guys, he just didn't fit the

918
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: schame he got traded. I said, a free safety Thompson

919
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: didn't fit this scheme because he couldn't. He couldn't. He

920
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: can't make open field tackles. Maybe he can, maybe he's

921
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: gonna get better, but right now he just couldn't. Antonio,

922
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: I hate to tell you a safety that can't make

923
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: open field tackles doesn't really fit any scheme. There isn't

924
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: any scheme where they say you know what, or safety

925
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be able to tame. Sorry about it.

926
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: Everybody else will clep it up for you. Come on that.

927
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that he was outstanding in terms of coverage.

928
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: They'll still put him on the field to play outfield,

929
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, to get that deep that deep safety. Leave

930
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: him there because uh at the best corner in the

931
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: league supposedly, I mean, the best corner of all time,

932
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: arguably no prime time. He was known for not making

933
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: task safe. The safeties and corners are two completely different positions. Now, Okay,

934
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: but we're talking about now the NFL, which is the

935
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: passing league. They if you have a now standing free

936
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: safety that could cover everything that you know in the past,

937
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure that they'll let him ride even if he's

938
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: a poor tackler. But he wasn't even that. You know

939
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say, Well, but he's the last

940
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: line of defense, an Tonio. Here's the point. You said,

941
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: he's not that. So if you can't tackle and you're

942
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: not greating coverage, I don't care what scheme you're in,

943
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: you're not gonna play. Yeah. Yeah, no, I really And

944
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: that's why I don't think. I think he's barely going

945
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: to see the field. If that, I think that we're

946
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna have, you know, three safety formations um at times

947
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: when it comes to this defense, I think you're gonna

948
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: see landing inside, you're gonna see two different safeties. On

949
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: the top. You might see Thompson sometimes to get on

950
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: the field. And that's sense. That's when he's gonna see

951
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: the field. The other thing I called the bound and

952
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: said it was O b J was gonna be the

953
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: highest paid. But it doesn't take the genius is to

954
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: know that it's just again like you get to mention

955
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: it with timing and you know, Antonio, do you have

956
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: do you have any questions? I I mean, honestly, I

957
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: don't think I'm telling Honestly, I don't think a lot

958
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: of clothes out there are interested in You're telling saying

959
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: I told you so for five minutes. So if you

960
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: have some questions or new comments, please go ahead. Here.

961
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I want to kind of talk about.

962
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: I just want to say that I think that the

963
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: turnaround for the jet for O b J it was

964
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: when that controversial video came out. That's that's what I think.

965
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: It's trying to him um and you know, everything changed,

966
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: his tweet his tweeting change, He's just been a different person.

967
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, maybe his internal group spoke

968
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: to him and they had, you know, something like that.

969
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: Much props to the giants on that. What I want

970
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about is, you know, I

971
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: love seeing the pistol formation. I want you guys to

972
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: get your input on this. I want to see I

973
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: love you the pistol formation on this offense now because

974
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned before how Eline needs a pistol formation because

975
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: for play action. Uh, you know, it's better to be

976
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: halfway away from the line than to being right up

977
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: on the line because you have to drop back and

978
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff. What do you guys think in terms

979
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: of the pistol formation? And then the other question is

980
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: if you guys saw that deep ball to lightemer Where

981
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: nobody has been pointing out is the blocked by Shane Smith.

982
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: I think it was Shane Smith that made a He

983
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: had a lot of time on that throw. No, he

984
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: had a lot of time on that throw eli made.

985
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: I thought the offensive line did a great job on

986
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: that play as well. Saints picked up a great block.

987
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: You know, little things like that feel like we're not

988
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: talking enough, and that's what was getting me excited. And

989
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: I see you guys that a tony Oh. I'm on Twitter,

990
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: so you guys you know, I just sorry. I do

991
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: want to thank you two guys because you've got the

992
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: very top of things. Ben appreciate that to the most ground,

993
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, ground level guys, and Uh appreciate I think

994
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: my responses off the air. Appreciate good stuff. Um, why

995
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: don't you take on Well, I was just gonna say

996
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: play action, I mean, forget the pistol formation. John gotta

997
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: be able to run the football lands. I want to

998
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: see him, do you know what, I'm excited. I'm not

999
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: excited about being a pistol. I'm excited to see him

1000
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: under center. Eli was at his best. Remember when the

1001
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: Remember when the Giants never put Elion in shotgun course

1002
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: like in O eight when they were the best team

1003
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: in the league, and he was never in shotgun. Eli

1004
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: likes playing on their center, So the heck with the

1005
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: pistol school. Yeah, I think play action is so much

1006
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: more effective when you're under center, and he's under center,

1007
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: so much more. It's glorious. No, I agree with you.

1008
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: But the other layer of that is is specifically the

1009
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: play actions, you've got to force the defense to bite,

1010
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: and they were getting the Jets to bite on some

1011
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: of those plays in the last preseason games. So that,

1012
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: to me is the most important aspect regardless of the formation.

1013
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to throw out with respect

1014
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: to Antonio just mentioned, if they do go with three safeties,

1015
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: which I think is possible, I think it's going to

1016
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: be more likely that that third safety is gonna be

1017
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: a William Gay if he makes the team. Basically can

1018
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: do a couple of different things, and he could play

1019
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: in the slot. So that's how I think you may

1020
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: see the additional safety a guy like Curtis Riley or

1021
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: William Gay that they can move into a cornerback position.

1022
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: That's how I can see that may be becoming a

1023
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: popular alignment. Alexon bergen Field, he's on next day, Alex,

1024
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: what's going on? Buddy ahead? What you got for us? Um? First,

1025
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: I was going to say thanks for everything you guys do. Um,

1026
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: it was great to get through to you guys. I

1027
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: want to hit on two points. Thanks for the question.

1028
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: Thank you Once a question then is a statement. So

1029
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: the first question is I know that one of the

1030
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: concerns listened to all the shows is that the linebacker

1031
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: right like Ogletree on the coverage and I know on

1032
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: third downs they've been bringing in Ray Ray Armstrong and

1033
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: taking out Goodson. But I was wondering Lorenzo Carter, with

1034
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: his versatility, athleticism and in college he actually did that.

1035
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: He he was a cover linebacker. Do you think there's

1036
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: any possibility he might be able to to play that

1037
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: spinal maybe on third downs? I don't, UM, I don't

1038
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: think that's how the Giants envisioned using him. Hasn't done

1039
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: that at all in training camp, playing that three four

1040
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: inside linebacker position. I think the Giants see Alex's future

1041
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. That's how they want to use them.

1042
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: And frankly, we have no idea the severity of OLIVIAVR

1043
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: and his injury when he will be back on the field.

1044
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: They're didn't need him as a pass rusher, so um,

1045
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: I do not see them making that big of a

1046
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: leap with a with a position adjustment for him. Yeah,

1047
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: I agree with John Alex. I think for the short term,

1048
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: they envisioned him as a guy just get after the quarterback.

1049
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: And if you recall when Lorenzo Carter met with the

1050
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: media or maybe two three weeks ago, he was asked

1051
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: about you're such a versatile player when you in college.

1052
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: What has been the difference now, Well, they just tell

1053
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: me focus on the quarterback. They're not telling me to

1054
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: drop back in coverage. So based on that, based on

1055
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: what we've seen at practice, based on the games, and

1056
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: he's been effective in getting to the quarterback. He has

1057
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: shown his ability to really collapse the pocket. I think

1058
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: that's his first priority now down the road, Alex, you

1059
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: know when he learns his craft of being a football

1060
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: player and gets a better feel for the scheme, it's

1061
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: very possible they expand his role. But I think early

1062
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: on rookie year, pass rush, get after the quarterback, that

1063
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: to me is gonna be his prim everything. Okay, all right,

1064
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: I got it. You know, I just thought that maybe

1065
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: they could use him there. But I see. But but

1066
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: as you mentioned to your point before we let you continue,

1067
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean to cut you off. You know, Ray Ray Armstrong,

1068
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: You're right, has increased his playing time, has played very

1069
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: well in the preseason. Pat Shermer even made sure to

1070
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: compliment him at the tail end of his postgame presser

1071
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: after the Jets game, and Ray Ray was with the

1072
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: first team. They were using him in the nickel defense.

1073
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: So I think they're looking for other linebackers that have

1074
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: the versatility to drop back in coverage, who have a

1075
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: little bit more experience. And Ray Ray has been in

1076
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: the league for a lot longer than Lorenzo car He's

1077
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: certainly a good enough athlete to do it. Fair enough. Um,

1078
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: And then my statement is from yesterday's show. I was listening.

1079
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: I remember who called and said it, But he asked

1080
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: about the uniforms and it was funny. He mentioned that.

1081
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: I know Lancey said that you don't care about it,

1082
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: but absolutely can. If you remember one of the years

1083
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: on the Conflin. I remember that it was a home

1084
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: game against the Cowboys and they had that red uniform.

1085
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: It was like the red tops. I believe it was

1086
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: with the gray pants. But and um, also they gave

1087
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: out like red towels. He wanted anybody to have the

1088
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: red toe was going. It was like a Monday night game.

1089
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: And I just think that that uniform was awesome, that

1090
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: it was red tops. Well, Ken, I got some bad

1091
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: news for you. Um, I would be beyond blown away,

1092
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: um surprised if we ever saw red jerseys every in

1093
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: the in the in the foreseeable future between the head

1094
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: coach and the owners. I don't think they're gonna dust

1095
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: the red out of the closet. I don't. I don't

1096
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen. Yes, I will echo John Santiviz

1097
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: because he just reminded me of something, so I know

1098
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: exactly what he's talking about. Yeah, it's not happening. Thank you.

1099
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: Appreciate the focal and and if you look around just um,

1100
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna play a little game here. When you guys

1101
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: look at practice footage and everything like that. Remember last year,

1102
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall will still wear like the big red tights

1103
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: and all. Remember the red shorts. Guys were red on

1104
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: their sleeves and red in their pants. When you watch

1105
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: practice allets this year, how much red did you see

1106
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: out there in the practice field that weren't on the quarterbacks?

1107
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: Jersey's not a whole lot. Now, why don't you tell

1108
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: the backstory? The true rationale is you hate the Chicago

1109
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Bulls carry happy not to see red? Absolutely my decision,

1110
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: but well, selling yourself a little too short. The Giants

1111
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: were those red jerseys in the past. They also had

1112
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: a pretty terrible record, and ownership does not forget things

1113
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: like that. Well, but the one thing that has not

1114
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: gone away is the quarterback still wear the red jerseys.

1115
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, but that's not going to be removed. But

1116
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: what are the red jerseys meet? Don't stay away? Yes,

1117
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: stay away, because what are they gonna do? Weet? This

1118
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: is like a psychological breakdown of the color red that

1119
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: we just had on Big Blue kig Off, And I

1120
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: think we can get so deep on this one four

1121
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: or five, one three final cohor of the show. Let's

1122
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: go to our buddy Pete and stann Island a Petey,

1123
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: good afternoon, guys. Who are you? How are you buddy?

1124
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: Do how are you doing? To shout out? And so

1125
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: I want to, well, actually, you know what I'm gonna

1126
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: lead off of you guys. Congratulations on your sponsor. You

1127
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: get the big time. Thank you, and uh I hope

1128
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: you get a bunch more because you have a great show.

1129
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: And uh second is uh congratulations to be James contract

1130
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: Um John, you just Lance, you just alluded to, uh

1131
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Eli under center. Okay, you know what's attacked to that?

1132
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: The Giants in a huddle which we haven't seen in

1133
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: quite some time. And you know Pat's offense being uh

1134
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna see a lot of ball control

1135
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: because if you saw the offense last year, I think

1136
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: it was like, uh one pass or might it actually

1137
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: might have been even been close to fifty fifty. So

1138
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: the ball control part of it keep mark defense flesh

1139
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: slowing the game down a little bit. I think that's

1140
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna help, you know with the turnaround, which I hope

1141
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: we have this year. That's just one comment of one

1142
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: in the maiden. Maybe you guys can uh come back

1143
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: with it? And the second thing I wanted to talk

1144
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: about this quarter. I absolutely love Carter his skill set

1145
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: coming out of college. Um, his sidelines to sideline up

1146
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: late well above average. Uh, they really didn't ask you know,

1147
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: he was a jack of all trade, but he was

1148
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: not really asked to just speed rush like a job

1149
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: or anything like correct absolutely absolutely correcting on the money. Yeah.

1150
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking that, you know, in my opinion, with

1151
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: Vernon's injury and we don't know you know, the extent

1152
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: of it. Uh, In my humble opinion, I think at

1153
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: this point, I think you have to go with the

1154
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: rotation of Carter Barwin to keep him fresh and healthy

1155
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: because of his age, I think, and I think we

1156
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: have to keep Moss because of just for depth purposes.

1157
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: What's your opinion? You also have Romeo kar you could

1158
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: put in that mix to some of that. Pat Shermer

1159
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: spoke well of it the podium the other day. So

1160
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: I think o'kwara and Moss are the two guys that

1161
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: are kind of on the bubble in that group. And

1162
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: how many do you keep? Do you keep five? Do

1163
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: you keep six? At that edge Rusher position because he

1164
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: have Martin, Barwin, Carter, and Vernon all obviously on and

1165
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: then who five and six? How many do you keep?

1166
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: So I think that's the yes, he's on the opposite correct.

1167
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: So I think that's the question you ask um to me,

1168
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: and I hope I'm wrong. I think as a consistently

1169
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: playmaking defensive and pass rusher or at whatever outside linebacker

1170
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher how you wanted to phrase it, I think

1171
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: Card is probably a year away. I think he can

1172
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: give you something this year, um In spurts and he

1173
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: will make a couple of big plays here and there.

1174
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: I still think he used to. Yeah, I think he

1175
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: needs to work on his craft and his technique and

1176
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, learning how to rush the passer, you know.

1177
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: But like you said that, he wasn't a pass rusher

1178
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: in college. He was a linebackers much. He was a

1179
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: four or three outside linebacker. He wasn't a pass rusher.

1180
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna take him a year in

1181
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: the pros to kind of become that guy. And you've

1182
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: seen that with defense. Event sometimes it takes them a year,

1183
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, to to figure out how to succeed in

1184
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: the NFL. Not to say he's not going to be

1185
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: effective in He's not gonna help, but I think to

1186
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: expect like seven eight sacks out of him in his

1187
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: rookie year is probably asking a lot. So I think

1188
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: you hit it. I think you hope Connor Baring will

1189
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: play as much as he can, as much as you

1190
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: want him to, because he's a pro. He knows what

1191
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: he's doing, he's a technician, and I think he can help.

1192
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: But look, there's nobody on this roster, and I don't

1193
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: want to beat Debbie Downer here. Olivia Vernon is unique.

1194
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: Guys like that don't grow on trees. He's been murdering

1195
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: everybody that they put up against him this this this year,

1196
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: whether it was Taylor Decker and practice against Detroit Um

1197
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: he was killing the Jets left tackle, uh and they

1198
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: came against the Jets. He's he's been an animal. You

1199
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: don't replace the guy like that. You figure it out

1200
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: and you do your best. But there is no easy

1201
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: answer if Vernon's out for an extended period of time

1202
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: at this point, is it Are they saying that it's

1203
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: a close to a high ankle sprain? Is that the

1204
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: way they described they Pete They've described it as an

1205
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: ankle so that's all we got. And Pat was asked

1206
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: about Olivia Vernon again earlier today, and it's nontinuing to

1207
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: classify it his day to day. That's an ankle. That's

1208
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: his status ankle. Day to day. He has an ankle.

1209
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: Ye all right. And then just the last thing, guys, Uh,

1210
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: what you're comment about what I was saying about being

1211
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: in the huddle down? Uh? Eli on the center? What's

1212
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: your opinion on that? I always thought? And Pete, thanks

1213
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: for the call. I know Eli, you appreciate. Look. Eli

1214
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: likes to work in the huddle. He likes to go fast,

1215
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: So that's true. I know that's true. He said that

1216
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: to me. He likes to do it. But I believe

1217
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: there is an advantage to to going into the huddle

1218
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: during the game. Um, I just think there is. I

1219
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: think there's a different pace to the game. Like you said,

1220
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: I think you slow things down. There are legitimate questions

1221
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: about how good this defense is gonna be. You want

1222
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: to maybe keep off the field a little bit by

1223
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: him some time. You know, when you drive, when you're

1224
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: going fast and you go three and out and thirty

1225
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: five seconds go off the clock and your defense is

1226
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: going back on the field, it's not good sometimes. Well

1227
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: that's the Chip Kelly school of thought. The year where

1228
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: the Eagles offense was doing great, but they had the

1229
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: lowest time of possession and the defense was on the

1230
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: field all the time, destroy down over the course of

1231
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: this easy. So, I mean, I'm completely with you there, John,

1232
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: though I would argue the benefit of going fast paces. Also,

1233
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: you prevent the substitutions, you know, for the defense, you

1234
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: keep them on their toes. So yeah, there's pros and

1235
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: cons to both ways. I just think the more you

1236
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: mix it up, the better and more versatil you're showcasing

1237
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: your team. But I don't know. I mean, listen, I'd

1238
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: have to really go through the numbers and stats to

1239
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: see whether or not a team that huddles, John is

1240
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: more efficient from an offensive standpoint. I'm not gonna go

1241
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: that fall. Trust me. If there were metrics that showed

1242
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: that everybody would be doing, nobody would huddle, correct. So

1243
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta see and feel out how the

1244
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: game flow is concerned about the players on the field.

1245
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: You gotta call a good play, you gotta be able

1246
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: to execute. The blocking has to be on point. You

1247
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: do that, whether you huddle or not going the whole

1248
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: game plan thing. Like Eli has said this, he goes

1249
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: every offense runs the same places, called some different. So

1250
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, it's not like some has the

1251
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: secret super playbook that nobody can copy. The a damn

1252
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: plays on tape. Any coach could copy any play they want.

1253
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: They can watch that they got tape a million times.

1254
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: There's no secrets. It's about making plays. I know it's simplictic.

1255
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: It's man whipping man. Don't want patchrmer's favorite things to say.

1256
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: It's man whipping man. That's how you win. And as

1257
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: the coach's job to put the player in the best

1258
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: situation to whip the man. And that's how it goes.

1259
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: You gotta win. It's about the players. Now, obviously sometimes

1260
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: coach has become a problem. You have to make changes.

1261
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: We know that, we've seen that. Okay, But if you

1262
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: I don't care. If you're marching out, you know, Bill

1263
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: Walter is your head coach, Vince Lombardi is your offensive coordinator.

1264
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: Tom Landry's your defensive coordinator. If you have bad players,

1265
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: your team is not gonna be good. You need the

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Speaker 1: horses to win races. Yeah, it's it, period, So stop

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Speaker 1: you could have the best mind on your coach drink

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Speaker 1: staff who comes up with the most creative schemes. If

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Speaker 1: the players don't execute and the blocking is not good,

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Speaker 1: it really makes no difference what's going on with the

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Speaker 1: scheme at the end of the day. I've said this too,

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Speaker 1: if you look at quarterbacks. I'm not trying to get

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Speaker 1: off topic, but I think it's related to it. John

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Speaker 1: and some of the qbs who just didn't click very

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Speaker 1: early in their career. You know, part of it is

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Speaker 1: the change in offense every single season and the playmakers

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Speaker 1: not being around them. Alex Smith is the perfect hester.

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Speaker 1: I love using Alex Smith because what do you think

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Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, magically he went to Kansas

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Speaker 1: City and now learned how to play football, and all

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Speaker 1: those years in San Francisco, and in fairness when he

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Speaker 1: was going up against the Giants, he had some good

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Speaker 1: years with the Niners. But why did he have his

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Speaker 1: good years with the Niners because they actually gave him

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Speaker 1: some stability with respect to the personnel around him in

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Speaker 1: the scheme. It's no coincidence. And I will say this. Coaches,

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Speaker 1: I think can hold back players sometimes if they try

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Speaker 1: to fit him into things that don't fit into what

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Speaker 1: they didn't adapt this scheme to them, and that's what

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Speaker 1: coach Herm and James Betcher have both been very clear about.

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Speaker 1: They will um create and adapt their schemes to the

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Speaker 1: talent that they have around that. Both guys have been

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Speaker 1: very clear about that, which I think is also absolutely

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Speaker 1: thank you lest are you on tomorrow? With are you

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Speaker 1: on tomorrow? I know I'm not on to it must

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Speaker 1: be yes, it could be maybe you and fegles on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: probably before the game's fegals and on Thursday, okay, so

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Speaker 1: it'll be landing n Tito tomorrow. I'm back and Paul

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Speaker 1: and I will give our final fifty three men rosters

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Speaker 1: on Friday. That'll be fun. Why don't you send me

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Speaker 1: yours too, so you'll put it on the record. We

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Speaker 1: have fun and we'll do that on Friday show. And

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Speaker 1: then we do have a show on Labor Day and

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Speaker 1: we start previewing week one of the NFL season. It's

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Speaker 1: coming fast for a Lance Metal on John schm Milk.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. My Big Book Off Live

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