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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's March seventeenth. Happy Saint Patrick's Day, everybody, ladies,

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Speaker 2: Happy Saint Patrick's Day time. I'm very excited that we're

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Speaker 2: all here together. Stack Knight A headlines as always. Plus,

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong is making corn beef and cabbage. It appears

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Speaker 2: as we speak, so we're looking forward to hearing more

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Speaker 3: As you guys can see, Corney Randy, I'll be jaring

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Speaker 3: on my corn beef during the commercial breaks. That is

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Speaker 3: still simmering in the Guinness, No kidding.

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Speaker 4: It sounds delicious and I'm very jealous.

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Speaker 3: So you know. That's Florida.

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Speaker 4: Judge.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it a little bit last night, that

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Speaker 2: these two girls have been accused of attempted murder of

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Speaker 2: their classmate, and now a judge has decided he's not

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Speaker 2: even going to release them on bail because what they

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Speaker 2: have done is so incredibly scary and horrendous which we

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Speaker 2: will unpack. Plus there's been this shocking new testimony from

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Speaker 2: relatives in the insulin nurse murder trial that we talked

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Speaker 2: a little bit about last night. Again, that is a

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Speaker 2: trial that is shaking out to be so strange and

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Speaker 2: confusing and diabolical.

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Speaker 3: So much more on that.

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Speaker 2: Plus we have one of my most interesting people that

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have here tonight. Lawyer and independent

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Speaker 2: journalist Aaron Parness is here. You guys might see him

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Speaker 2: on social media. He's huge on TikTok, has about five

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Speaker 2: million followers. I think he does exceptional coverage. It's really hard.

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Speaker 2: It's been hard for us because I personally watch everything

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Speaker 2: right whether it's the BBC or Fox News and CNN

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Speaker 2: and MSNBC all the morning shows, Like I feel like

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Speaker 2: I have some version of the news on because you're

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Speaker 2: always looking for the other perspective of sometimes the exact

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Speaker 2: same story. And you know, with all the media conglomerates

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Speaker 2: to find sourcing. So social media with bots and AI, that's.

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Speaker 4: A tough road to follow.

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Speaker 2: So Aaron Parnis is somebody who I really think does

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Speaker 2: a great job of keeping it neutral and informed. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know how he puts out that much content

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Speaker 2: in one day. So he just makes videos everywhere, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter where.

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Speaker 4: He's always on that.

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Speaker 5: He's at a wedding and he's like, oh, breaking news

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Speaker 5: and I was like, oh my god. So he just

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Speaker 5: he just puts it out.

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Speaker 3: It's really great, great.

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Speaker 2: It feels very sincere, and it feels authentic. And we've

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Speaker 2: gone in fact check so many of his tidbits and

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Speaker 2: they're always accurate. So we're excited to get his perspective

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Speaker 2: on the Epstein Files technology AI.

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Speaker 3: The UFO.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, we had a meteor hit. Oh he did, buddy?

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Speaker 4: Have you not heard this?

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Speaker 3: I'm a dude, I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fell out of the sky during the day. It

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Speaker 2: created a bit of a seismic boom. How am I

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Speaker 2: Did I imagine this?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: No, no, your care was in Ohio. A big would

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Speaker 2: look like a you know, huge I don't know. Of course,

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Speaker 2: everybody thought it was a UFO falling out of the sky.

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Speaker 2: According to NASA, was a meteor, the likes of which

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Speaker 2: It literally shook the earth so much that it registered

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Speaker 2: people in Ohio were just like obviously very startled by

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Speaker 2: just hearing this huge boom. You could see the houses shake,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we have that as well.

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Speaker 2: So is disclosure mirror. I say that hopefully just in jest.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, lots to on today. That's right sidecker by

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body moving, and we want to hear

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Speaker 2: from you. Eight eight eight three one crime. Please send

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Speaker 2: Aaron as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have the story out of Florida. Tell us

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Speaker 5: she's fifteen, and Louis Lippert, she's fourteen. Okay, these are

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Speaker 5: They live in Seminole County, and they're accused of plotting

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Speaker 5: Adam Lanza. Adam Lanza was a Sandy Hook shooter. Well,

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Speaker 5: this girl is a belle apparently had become kind of

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Speaker 5: this classmate that resembled Adam Lanza would somehow resurrect him. Okay, wow,

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Speaker 5: I mean, listen, this is clearly some mental problems here

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Speaker 5: Isabelle Valdez allegedly recruited the younger girl, Louis Lippert, to participate.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, prior to January, all right, Isabelle allegedly developed

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Speaker 5: Adam Lanza. Somehow killing him would bring Adam Lanza back

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Speaker 2: Remember these are like middle schoolers too. Yeah, they're a

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Speaker 2: Dealing with two very sociopathic young women, which is apparently

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Speaker 3: That's what the judge said.

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Speaker 5: She said after right after watching this video, there's no

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Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. Yeah, just an absolute.

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Speaker 2: One of them was even saying how she was, you know,

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Speaker 3: Is always they're obsessful.

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Speaker 2: One thing that one of them said, Isabelle said, was oh, well,

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Speaker 2: And like that was pretty indicative of how out to

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Speaker 2: Thank god this plan was foiled and their lives will

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Speaker 3: joining us, this is true crime. Tonight, Happy Saint Patrick's

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Speaker 3: Day from all of us again, and right now we're

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Speaker 3: talking about the fact that if Florida judge denied bond

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Speaker 3: accused of plotting to murder a fellow student in a

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Speaker 3: have any details of what the plot included?

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Speaker 5: Well, the plan involved waiting outside the bathroom, the boys'

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Speaker 4: With this apparently, Oh I know.

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Speaker 5: But Isabelle, she's the fifteen year old, and she seems

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Speaker 5: him and drinking his blood would somehow resurrect Adam Lanza again.

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Speaker 5: And Adam Lanza is the Sandy Hook school shooter. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so Lewis, she's the fourteen year old. Okay, so I

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Speaker 5: keep saying Lewis, but you're right, it's Lois.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent low, it's Lois.

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Speaker 5: So according to investigators, Isabelle intended to stab him or

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Speaker 5: going to assist by helping sharpen the knife and preparing

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Speaker 5: ritual items including flowers for like a funeral, for like

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Speaker 5: So this was going on for it since January.

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Speaker 4: They were very disturbing story, very disturbed little girls.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so they in January. They also they brought the

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Speaker 5: that really indicates to the law enforcement that the plan

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Speaker 5: is really moving forward, right, I mean, they weren't just

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Speaker 5: talking about it. They were bringing physical items to the school,

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Speaker 2: She couldn't really find it, and she wishes she had because.

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Speaker 3: She wishes.

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Speaker 5: I woke up this morning, I knew I should have

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Speaker 5: So the plot was reported through this Fortify FL School

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Speaker 7: Welcome erin, thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: This is Yes, it's listen, and yeah, Stephanie, I do

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Speaker 3: So BIG's a pretty big up brain in this head, Epstein.

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Speaker 3: So listen. You shared breaking news that Pam Bondi has

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Speaker 2: So we've always been very survivor forward, victim forward. It's

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Speaker 7: I will live what you what you're feeling, and what

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the truth will set us free. Right,

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Speaker 2: into some of the stuff that pops up. Yeah, go ahead, Courtney,

439
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Speaker 2: I don't want.

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Speaker 3: To cut you off. Oh I was gonna say, what

441
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Speaker 3: do you think of sort of the massive, massive payouts

442
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Speaker 3: that have happened from some banks, with Chase, with Bank

443
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Speaker 3: of America. Do you think it tells us anything about

444
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Speaker 3: our financial system or do you think it's siloed?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I think I think that's like, actually a big

446
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Speaker 7: piece that's being heavily underreported is the impact or the

447
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Speaker 7: I guess, the role that these big banks played in

448
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Speaker 7: this scheme.

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Speaker 6: Right.

450
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Speaker 7: In a lot of these sex trafficking and international criminal rings,

451
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Speaker 7: the easiest way to get someone is to follow the money.

452
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Speaker 7: The money always goes, and the money has to pass

453
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Speaker 7: through financial institutions, whether abroad or here in the United

454
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Speaker 7: States of America. And in Jeffrey Epstein's case, a lot

455
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Speaker 7: of the money that he was using to fund his

456
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Speaker 7: sex trafficking went through big banks. And the question is

457
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Speaker 7: who at the banks knew? Did they know? That's a

458
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Speaker 7: question that the banks will ultimately have to answer. That's

459
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Speaker 7: why they're settling because they don't want to answer, right,

460
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Speaker 7: They don't want to have to go and be deposed.

461
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Speaker 7: So looking at the banks and looking at the money

462
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Speaker 7: going from one account to the other is how you're

463
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Speaker 7: going to get accountability. The issue is is that good

464
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Speaker 7: luck getting bank records from a bank overseas. That takes years.

465
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Speaker 7: That's not easy to do. You can't do that overnight.

466
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Speaker 7: Even getting a bank record from Chase Bank here in

467
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Speaker 7: the United States, you're going to jump through a million

468
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Speaker 7: different hoops. It's going to take a months. So it's

469
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Speaker 7: not easy to do. But that's where you have to

470
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Speaker 7: look if you're a prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: Even this week seeing Bank of America, we talked about

472
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Speaker 2: this a little bit yesterday about even their payout to

473
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Speaker 2: some of the survivors, which is good. I mean, they

474
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Speaker 2: deserve all that and more, but it kind of also

475
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Speaker 2: prevents certain people from being deposed, some of the big

476
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Speaker 2: names that we've heard in these files. It surprises me

477
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Speaker 2: that even outside just the Clintons, that there haven't been

478
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Speaker 2: more called to the carpet in terms of what they know.

479
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Speaker 3: Even just on behalf of the survivors.

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Speaker 2: We're not even saying, aha, you're involved, you did it,

481
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Speaker 2: you bad person, you're eating children. That's not even what

482
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Speaker 2: we're saying. We're just like, we want the answers so

483
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Speaker 2: that the survivors can collect their pieces of the puzzle,

484
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Speaker 2: and if you know anything, of course you.

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Speaker 4: Would want to share that and help. But it seems

486
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Speaker 4: like there's really a StopGate.

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Speaker 5: Is eating children really a thing in the Epstein file,

488
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Speaker 5: Stephanie or Aaron whoever?

489
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Speaker 3: Is that really a thing?

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's so many of these. I don't want

491
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Speaker 7: to call them conspiracies because I don't know what's real

492
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Speaker 7: and what's not. A lot of them do, and that's

493
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Speaker 7: the problem with them. That's what happens when you release

494
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Speaker 7: three million documents without any context, any like anything. I mean,

495
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Speaker 7: that's what people say. Some people say, whereas in files,

496
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Speaker 7: I'm not a believer in it, but I don't.

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Speaker 5: Have mine because these are tips that get called in,

498
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Speaker 5: right like, and tips are part of the Epstein files.

499
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Speaker 5: Right So when they're releasing the Epstein files and people say, well,

500
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Speaker 5: they're eating children in the Epstein files, well, somebody called

501
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Speaker 5: in a tip and it was recorded and then released

502
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Speaker 5: as part of the dump, the document dump. It doesn't

503
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Speaker 5: mean that there was an investigation and they found evidence

504
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Speaker 5: of it. It just means that somebody called in a tip.

505
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Speaker 5: So when people say, and I think people out there

506
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Speaker 5: need to know. Just because it's in the Epstein files

507
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Speaker 5: doesn't mean it was part of the invested, you know,

508
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Speaker 5: the larger investigation. It just came into law enforcement as

509
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Speaker 5: a tip.

510
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Speaker 3: Right.

511
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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like there's a lot of talk about

512
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Speaker 2: jerky though in some of the things that do get spokey.

513
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Speaker 2: This is the piece of the This is the junkie theory.

514
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Speaker 2: So again we are not saying that this is accurate.

515
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Speaker 2: I'm giving a very loose assertion of some of the

516
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Speaker 2: chatter surrounding the Epstein files, which is, you know, even

517
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Speaker 2: beyond the survivors in the tails of this trafficking, which is,

518
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Speaker 2: you know, we cannot be discounted. And sometimes I fear

519
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Speaker 2: talking about this next layer almost undermines the narrative of

520
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Speaker 2: the survivors of this trafficking operation. But just for the

521
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Speaker 2: share for our audience, Yeah, people are saying that there

522
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Speaker 2: might be this elite class of very few they're considered

523
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Speaker 2: the Epstein class, that are sort of controlling the banking

524
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Speaker 2: systems at a very high level, and twenty plus banks

525
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Speaker 2: have in fact been indicted. We're seeing insane amount of

526
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Speaker 2: money being paid out to hush money, et cetera, to survivors,

527
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Speaker 2: again well deserved, But why were all these red flags missed?

528
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Speaker 2: And that this elite class that they are somehow doing

529
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Speaker 2: occult type things, which, therefore, what was that.

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Speaker 4: Noise that was scary? Maybe I'm being shut down from the.

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Speaker 8: Disguise from thecla that was weird, that the occult is

532
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Speaker 8: running some sort of secret game and part of getting

533
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Speaker 8: into this class, there's a ritual that involves something with

534
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Speaker 8: eating human flesh.

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Speaker 4: Is that a fair assessment? Was that an accurate sum up?

536
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Speaker 7: A great explaination. I'm not going to give my thoughts

537
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Speaker 7: one or the other on whether there's eating children or

538
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 7: all that, right, I think though there is an Epstein class.

539
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 7: Now who the Epstein class is I don't know and

540
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 7: who whether they control the banks or not, that's not

541
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Speaker 7: my department for me. When I say the Epstein class,

542
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Speaker 7: I say the wealthy and powerful people who are stopping

543
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Speaker 7: accountability from happening. Right. I consider the President of the

544
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Speaker 7: United States as part of the Epstein class, not because

545
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Speaker 7: he may have done anything criminal per se, but because

546
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Speaker 7: he is preventing accountability from happening, so that that kind

547
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Speaker 7: of sens.

548
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Speaker 2: And complacency in and of itself could be considered a crime,

549
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: and you know, something as horrific of what we're talking

550
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Speaker 2: about in the victim's testimony is next level. Do you

551
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: think anything will come of the investigation into the Zoro

552
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Speaker 2: Ranch in New Mexico?

553
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 7: No, unfortunately not. I mean you're now searching a property,

554
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 7: what seven years right after Epstein was indicted and died.

555
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 7: Evidence moves away pretty quickly. I mean, the only thing

556
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 7: that would stay there is like if there are remains

557
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Speaker 7: on the property and they haven't been dug up. Even

558
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 7: if they had been dug up, you could probably still

559
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 7: get something from the dirt or whatnot. I don't know

560
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 7: that they're going to find remains there. There's no indication

561
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Speaker 7: that they've found any. But other than that, I mean,

562
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Speaker 7: the property has been turned over to a new owner.

563
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Speaker 7: So it's very hard. And I mean the whole other

564
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Speaker 7: thing is okay, you find evidence that evidence is never

565
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Speaker 7: going to be admissible in a court of law because

566
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Speaker 7: there's so many chain of custody issues. What's to say

567
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 7: like it hasn't been planted at any point after Epstein.

568
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 7: I mean, like you just don't know, so, like it's

569
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Speaker 7: it's very difficult.

570
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Speaker 5: I wonder if it's just for show then, because I

571
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Speaker 5: tend to agree with you Erin, I don't think that

572
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Speaker 5: anything's going to come of it. And part of me

573
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 5: think it's thinks that this investigation in Desorrow Ranch is

574
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Speaker 5: kind of just like a Okay, look at we're doing something,

575
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 5: like look look at us, We're we're actually doing something

576
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 5: because in the United States of America, nobody really has

577
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 5: been arrested for the Epstein files, whereas in other parts

578
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Speaker 5: of the country people have been arrested, like you know,

579
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Speaker 5: the president, the Prime minister in Norway and you know

580
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Speaker 5: Prince Andrew and you know, and here, nothing's really happened.

581
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying anything will or should. However nothing has.

582
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Speaker 5: And I think this is part of like this look

583
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 5: at us, we're doing something, and even knowing that nothing's

584
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Speaker 5: going to come out of it.

585
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Speaker 7: Well, that's why I say, look at the money. Because

586
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Speaker 7: Andrew wasn't arrested for sex trafficking or any sexual related right,

587
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Speaker 7: our region prime minister wasn't arrested for.

588
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Speaker 3: Any sexual That's right, it's bakal.

589
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 7: Look at the money and look, there's so much money

590
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 7: laundering going on, so much tax evasion going on. You

591
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 7: can easily get folks who are connected to Epsteine on

592
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 7: money related crimes. I mean they get people on tax

593
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Speaker 7: evasion every single day in the United States of America.

594
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Speaker 7: For it's a low level, easy thing to get someone.

595
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Speaker 5: So Prince Andrew was arrested for sharing state secrets, right,

596
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Speaker 5: wasn't it?

597
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Speaker 6: Yes?

598
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Speaker 5: First and then and then the Prime Minister of Norway

599
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Speaker 5: was related to fraud, like banking fraud.

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Speaker 3: Right.

601
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Speaker 5: I just wanted to make sure that I understood that correctly.

602
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Speaker 5: But yeah, you follow the money. I think that that's

603
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Speaker 5: probably the.

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Speaker 3: Way to go. Follow the money, and we'll be following

605
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Speaker 3: that and a whole lot more.

606
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Speaker 2: And we have a very special guest, Aaron Parness is

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Speaker 2: with us. He's somebody that I follow very closely. We

608
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Speaker 2: we really hope you do too. He is the mind

609
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Speaker 2: of the next generation who's going to pull us out

610
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Speaker 2: of this madness.

611
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Speaker 3: And I really do appreciate that about you, Aaron.

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Speaker 2: You're really you're you're galvanizing the next generation or all generations,

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Speaker 2: myself included. But I think it's the it's this next

614
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Speaker 2: one that's really going to be the backbone of a

615
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Speaker 2: lot of change. So thank you for doing the hard

616
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Speaker 2: work that you do, and if you haven't checked out

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Speaker 2: his work, please do. He's on Instagram and TikTok and

618
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Speaker 2: definitely check out his substat really deep and important information

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Speaker 2: in there right now.

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Speaker 4: If you have any questions, you can always join us.

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Speaker 5: I've followed Erin for since I think since twenty twenty

622
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Speaker 5: around then you started on TikTok after the invasion of Ukraine,

623
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Speaker 5: I think, right. And I followed Aaron for a long time.

624
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 5: And listen, he drops everything if there's breaking news. He

625
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Speaker 5: will literally make a video from the grocery store if

626
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 5: there's breaking news. And gen Z and jen Alfi really

627
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Speaker 5: seem to really like that. And guess what, so does

628
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Speaker 5: jed X.

629
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that same here.

630
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Speaker 3: So it's what I love about it too.

631
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Speaker 4: It's very instant.

632
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Speaker 3: How do you pull that off?

633
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Speaker 4: Like you were just so good forever on the pulse

634
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Speaker 4: of the news twenty four to seven.

635
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Speaker 7: You just have to stop caring about like what you

636
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Speaker 7: look like online?

637
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Speaker 2: Right, done the way, Listen, It's it's hard to put

638
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Speaker 2: yourself out there every second of the day, and you

639
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: seem to do it so well. So we were talking

640
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Speaker 2: about the Epstein files and the potential for some maybe

641
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Speaker 2: accountability and kind of what we we think could be

642
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Speaker 2: upon us and how we can be productive to make

643
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Speaker 2: sure that we are a part of the change for

644
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: the better, and what we should be taking from these

645
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: files that you know is important to know and what

646
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: we can't unsee, and you know, keep the fight for

647
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Speaker 2: justice for the victims at the forefront. There's a couple

648
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: of people that have been sort of in our ether

649
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: in court I know we'll go through them, But Courtney,

650
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Speaker 2: who's top of your list of people you would like

651
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Speaker 2: to know about?

652
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Speaker 3: So top of my list would be Leon Black. And

653
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Speaker 3: for people who are listening who aren't aware, he's the

654
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Speaker 3: billionaire co founder of Apollo Global Management. And in fact,

655
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Speaker 3: last segment we were talking about sort of the banking

656
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Speaker 3: system and what's going on, and there's a suit that

657
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Speaker 3: claims the bank overlooked about one hundred and seventy millillion

658
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: dollars in payments from Leon Black to Epstein, as well

659
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: as facilitated financial structures that supported abuse. Any thoughts on that, So.

660
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 7: I think accountability could be coming for Leon Black, not

661
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know what he's involved with

662
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 7: in terms of like exactly criminally or not or whatnot.

663
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 7: But there's something there that the public deserves to know

664
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 7: that we don't know. And I think that, yes, the

665
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 7: Bank of America settlement avoided him having to sit down

666
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 7: for a deposition, which to me sucked like he should.

667
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: I was really disappointed by that. That just seemed like

668
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: again another way of scooting by. But at the same time,

669
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: I want the victims to have a settlement, so I

670
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: get it.

671
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 7: But I will say afterwards, Senator Ron Wyden came out

672
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 7: and kind of who's been really on the beat in

673
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 7: terms of the financial transactions and all of this, and

674
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 7: kind of said Leon Black's day, judgment day is still coming.

675
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 7: So I think Leon Black, if I believe he's already

676
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 7: been subpoena by or has been asked to testify in

677
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 7: front of the Household Recite Committee, he's going to have

678
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 7: to sit down and he's going to have to answer.

679
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 7: So there may some there may be something.

680
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: There, is there any value in the fact And again,

681
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: if this is too political, you don't have to go there.

682
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: But you know, we get a lot of dms, and

683
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: I personally get a lot of chatter about just in general,

684
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: as we enter the war and our troops are going

685
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: into war, is the Epstein files part of a larger

686
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: distractive conversation or is there nothing there to be chasing

687
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: in that regard.

688
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 7: In the Operation Epstein fury.

689
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I hate to say that, and it

690
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: makes me so upset because I like, Oh, our troops,

691
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: I would care so much about them.

692
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, same. I have to take this from like

693
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 7: a journalistic perspective. Do I think he is using the

694
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 7: war to distract from the Epstein files? If he was,

695
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 7: it'd be a shitty distraction because the Epsteine files haven't

696
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 7: gone away, right, Like, just because the media isn't talking

697
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 7: about them every day doesn't mean that Pam Bondi wasn't

698
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 7: just subpoena today, doesn't mean that you still have depositions

699
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 7: scheduled with the number of witnesses over the next six weeks.

700
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 7: So they're not going away. So it's a shitty distraction.

701
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 7: If it is a distraction, I don't know how much

702
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 7: of a distraction it is as much as I mean,

703
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 7: that's a whole nother, a whole other.

704
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole rabbit hole. But again, we were

705
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: getting inundated with so much information. It's helpful just to

706
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: kind of cut through what we need to cut through

707
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: next time list, go ahead, and so sorry, I.

708
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: Was just going to say, so, we don't know that

709
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 5: any foreign policy or any domestic current current domestic policy

710
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 5: is being.

711
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: Because it feels arin it feels a little.

712
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 5: Bit like we're under We're a pressure cooker, right It

713
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 5: feels like the United States of America is just this

714
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 5: pressure cooker right now. And you know, we have the

715
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 5: homeland security stuff going on, we have you know, this

716
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 5: this operation happening in Iran there it's a war, but

717
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 5: it's not a war.

718
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. It just seems like there's a lot

719
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: going on there. So no, none of them.

720
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 5: This is it possible that some of this is just

721
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 5: a smoke show to cover for the Epstein files because

722
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 5: it all kind.

723
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: Of happened at the same time.

724
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 7: Anything's possible, And of course it's possible, that's true. I mean,

725
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 7: I don't know what the president's thinking. I think right

726
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 7: of course to say, like I want to change the

727
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 7: news cycle, but I'm going to be honest with you,

728
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 7: I don't know that this Yaron war coverage is much

729
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 7: better for him than the Epstein Fine, that's true, right,

730
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 7: Like that, she arguably in a lot of ways worse

731
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 7: for him right now because it's impacting the average American

732
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 7: more than the epscenis. So I don't know very well.

733
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 7: Could be a good point in part of his mind,

734
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 7: but I don't know.

735
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: And do you think, just going back to the Epstein

736
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: side of it, in this the human trafficking of it all,

737
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: is it possible that that machine that he was running

738
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: at such a high level, and you know, some have

739
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: said he's an operative in a spy. My personal opinion

740
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: that checks out for me to who.

741
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

742
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: Is this operation still happening? My greatest fear is that

743
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: we're talking about thousands of women, and we've heard so

744
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: much testimony here alone and obviously in the press of

745
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: so many women who have had the courage to come forward.

746
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: Is it possible that this machine is such a well

747
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: oiled one that Epstein was just a middleman, and that

748
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: the higher ranks of this have the machine going still.

749
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 4: That's my big fear.

750
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 7: It's possible. I actually think we're going to get some

751
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 7: reporting on Epstein's connection to Russian intelligence, maybe tomorrow. Just

752
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 7: seeing this sometime this week, I think is some new

753
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 7: reporting is going to come out, So stay tuned. For that,

754
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 7: But I do think I mean, listen, I think the

755
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 7: best way I could describe Epstein as he's a mercenary, right,

756
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 7: or rather was a mercenary. He sold out to the

757
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 7: highest bidder, whether it was a foreign government, whether it

758
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 7: was an American billionaire, wherever he could get the most

759
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 7: kind of bang for his buck in terms of money,

760
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 7: that's where he went. And so that's why you saw

761
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 7: him assisting with giving out state secrets to the Russians, right,

762
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 7: That's why he was gathering state secrets from Andrew. I mean,

763
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 7: that's why it's very odd to me. It's like no

764
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 7: one person can just get all these billionaires to give them,

765
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 7: to give them all this money and all this and

766
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 7: rise up in the rank so quickly just just by

767
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 7: being an average show. Right. So there's a lot more

768
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 7: to the story. I don't think that he was just

769
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 7: like a Russian spy or an Israeli spy or whatever.

770
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 6: Like.

771
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 7: I think he was a mercenary who sold out to

772
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 7: whoever was willing to give him the most at that time.

773
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 7: That's kind of my And.

774
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: Somehow he's been able to infiltrate academia, the medical communic community, obviously,

775
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: politics so tech on a world scale, the tech business,

776
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: you know, all the DNA stuff that we're learning about.

777
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that I do want to

778
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: just deny or let's just like say it's not probably

779
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: true and we can just cough it up to the

780
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: garbage can that it should go into, and then my

781
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: mind could be put to rest. The word pizza that

782
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: appears so so, so so much. If we remember back

783
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 2: in the day it was pizza Gate.

784
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: At this point, I was.

785
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: Completely like not paying attention to anything QAnon like I

786
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: missed on that that was not on my purview. It

787
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: all sounded honestly like crazy talk. Somebody lost their life

788
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: over it. It just seemed like a lot to chatter,

789
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: and I literally shut it out. Now, welcome to these

790
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: Epstein files release, and the word pizza does seem to

791
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: be code for something.

792
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 3: So curious what your thoughts are on that.

793
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think it's important that we separate Pizzagate

794
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 7: from the word pizza and the files. That's number one,

795
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 7: because pizza Gate was a very dangerous and still is

796
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 7: a very dangerous conspiracy theory. Like you said, someone lost

797
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 7: their lives. But even outside of that, a number of

798
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 7: restaurant owners and people across the country where threatened death

799
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 7: threats harassed. I mean, so separating the two. The word

800
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 7: pizza appears a lot in the Epstein files. Now I

801
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 7: don't know if it was code or not. It could

802
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 7: have been for code. But I do think there's one

803
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 7: nugget that the public does not many like if you're

804
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 7: not following the Epstein files close so you don't know this.

805
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 7: But Andrew formerly known as Prince, there is a famous

806
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 7: photo that many people know of him Gallainne Maxwell and

807
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 7: Virginia Giuffrey back in the early two thousands, and for

808
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 7: years he denied that that photo was real or he

809
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 7: said that it was altered in some way. And he's

810
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 7: said that the night that that photo was taken, he

811
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 7: was at a pizza restaurant, right, like everything he gets you,

812
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 7: not a Chinese restaurant, not he was whatever, Like he

813
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 7: was at a pizza restaurant.

814
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 5: He couldn't have picked another any word, honestly, any word.

815
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 5: But that is it possible though that it'sa was part

816
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 5: of the vernacular of the cover up though, you know,

817
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: like I.

818
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 7: Mean, as an attorney, I've seen criminal cases where like

819
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 7: you use code words and prosecutors have to on decode

820
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 7: your code words. I mean that is normal. I mean

821
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 7: it happens. I don't want to say normal, but it

822
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 7: happens in many criminal cases. So them using pizza as

823
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 7: vernacular as code for something else could very well be true.

824
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 7: There could be more than just pizza there too.

825
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of pizza talk, and a lot of

826
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: grape soda talk, and a lot of jerky talk. So

827
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: those are just three words that are being speculated. This

828
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: is the chatter, conspiracy chatter or otherwise that pizza stands

829
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: for children are young, you know, young people or girls,

830
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: but I'm sure boys as well. And jerky standing for flesh.

831
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: And grape soda.

832
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

833
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what that stands for, but there's a

834
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: lot of grape soda drinking happening in the files.

835
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know either. I mean that's probably, like

836
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 7: I try to say, above all of these kind of

837
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 7: possible conspiracies when I'm reporting on them, just because if

838
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 7: I go down and I have like personally gone down

839
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 7: the rabbit hole every now and then, and every time

840
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 7: I do that, I feel like it takes me so

841
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 7: long to dig myself out of it. And there are

842
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 7: times where like I walk up to my wife and

843
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 7: I like explain to her what I'm saying, and to

844
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 7: me it sounds completely rational and completely like yes, I

845
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 7: have the smoking gun and she's like, Aaron, you are

846
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 7: so what are you talking?

847
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: That's me right here, that's her every single time I

848
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: talk about Epstein. That is the exact loop.

849
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: You just describe my.

850
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 7: Heads yourself that like you're one hundred percent right and

851
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 7: it's this big thing and like, yeah, it happens all

852
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 7: the time to me too.

853
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, great, So we're going to decode on that front.

854
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: And then back to the name is Boddy, Who did you?

855
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: Who were you most curious about?

856
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 3: The tech bros?

857
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 5: Honestly and the whole uh you know, science part of

858
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 5: things and what I planteer and whatnot. But it's too

859
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 5: much to go into right now. But I was very

860
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 5: interested in all that. But additionally, the roth Childs. The

861
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 5: roth Childs are really interesting. They were European banking dynasty.

862
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 5: They you know, collectively they were billionaires historically known for

863
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: global influence and finances and whatnot. You know, everybody knows

864
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 5: who the roth Childs are, and there's this connection to Epstein.

865
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: Now right, there's this connection. Do you have any thoughts

866
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 5: on the roth Child's.

867
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 7: Well, So this is another one that you have to

868
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 7: be very careful on because you could get into anti

869
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 7: Semitic kind of conspiracy.

870
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't want to do that.

871
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying you are, but because you could

872
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 7: say Rothschild's global network and then the juice control the world,

873
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 7: and it's like you get, you get, yeah, yeah, very

874
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Speaker 7: Rothschilds are an interesting one because they're listed in the

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Speaker 7: files a ton and it's not just like when you

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Speaker 7: say the rothschild is a whole family to be a

877
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 7: very big family, it's not just one. What's interesting to

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Speaker 7: me is that in the recent House Oversight deposition of

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Speaker 7: Richard Kahn, Jeffrey Epstein's longtime accountant, Richard Kahn said there

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Speaker 7: were five people or five groups of people who were

881
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Speaker 7: very influential when it came to the money. The Rothschilds

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Speaker 7: were one of them. Les Wexner was one of them,

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Speaker 7: and then there are three others. So the Rothschild's helped

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Speaker 7: fund Jeffrey Epstein's operation. We don't know exactly how much.

885
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 7: We don't know exactly to what end. We do know

886
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Speaker 7: that money was flowing from the Rothschild family to Jeffrey

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00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 7: Epstein for what so not fully clear because a lot

888
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 7: of these are redacted. We don't have a lot of

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Speaker 7: the bank records, so there still needs to be more

890
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Speaker 7: digging involved there.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, it's just because Jeffrey Epstein was

892
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Speaker 2: representing himself as somebody who was representing the Rothschilds, you know,

893
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Speaker 2: that also may not have been true. He also might

894
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: have just been straight fronting. You know, this is a

895
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Speaker 2: guy that was kind of a grifter. It seems like,

896
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Speaker 2: you know, he was a high class grift. So he

897
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: was probably saying he represented all kinds of people and

898
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Speaker 2: doing all kinds of stuff, which led to another deal.

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Speaker 4: Like he he sort of talked a big game.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, in beause he used his social connections, you know,

901
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Speaker 5: to make him like fluff fluff himself up. Which is

902
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Speaker 5: why I think Glen Nextwell was so important, you know,

903
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 5: because she had all those connections. She was the connector

904
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Speaker 5: of all those things. And so it could be that

905
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Speaker 5: the Rothchilds are like what, we don't even you know,

906
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Speaker 5: but he kind of was like, oh, yeah, I represent them.

907
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Speaker 7: We allso and I think that's a good point on Glane.

908
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 7: Gleaine is like, if you hear Gallaane speak, she's like

909
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 7: this prim and prop english woman who like can connect

910
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 7: with anyone, is very like friendly, is very kind of

911
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 7: smooth around the edge of Jeffrey Epstein, and you look

912
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 7: at him and you hear him talk in these interviews,

913
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Speaker 7: I mean, he's this like rugged, rugged grifter. Right Without Glaine,

914
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Speaker 7: there is no Jeffrey, so that that is all of this.

915
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Speaker 3: But I have to say, and in the interviews I've seen,

916
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Speaker 3: I feel like how Epstein presents is very sort of disarming,

917
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Speaker 3: and even in stuff that's been in the files, his

918
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: correspondence with people dupak Chopra, Yes, you know, people are

919
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: really bearing their souls to Epstein. So I have a

920
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Speaker 3: feeling there was something. Again, I don't know if it

921
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Speaker 3: was disarming or what.

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Speaker 7: Probably I mean he was he was probably a master

923
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Speaker 7: manipulator right totally.

924
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Speaker 2: He's so charismatic by even survivors say that that he

925
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: was so charismatic and frankly kind of likable, even though

926
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Speaker 2: an abuser to them directly. Gilayney often say was like

927
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Speaker 2: the mean one that even Jeffrey Epstein, while an abuser

928
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Speaker 2: somehow was charming.

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Speaker 3: M Well, listen, please stick around. Aaron Parness is sticking around,

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Speaker 3: so you should too. And we're gonna shift to focus

931
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Speaker 3: on some surveillance data, some growing tension between privacy and protection.

932
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Speaker 3: It's impacting all of us. So gift here True Crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephan you Laidecker here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and body. Move in and listen. Happy

936
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Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's day to all. We hope you are eating soda,

937
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: bread and corn beef and having a green beer as

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Speaker 2: we speak. Bring it on, and we have Aaron Parnas

939
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Speaker 2: with us, who is an extraordinary lawyer and independent journalist.

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Speaker 4: Please check him out on all of his socials. I

941
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: watch him on Instagram, bodies, on TikTok.

942
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: He does great work all day, join his five million

943
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: plus listeners and viewers and all the things.

944
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Speaker 4: So he's really the mind of generation.

945
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Speaker 5: Love his content because it's like such complicated topics right

946
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 5: in these little itty bitty like bite sized segments right yes,

947
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 5: very easy to understand, very digestible. I don't have to

948
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 5: sit and watch an hour's long. You know, channel I

949
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Speaker 5: guess on TV to get the same information that I'm

950
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: getting from Aaron in like thirty seconds. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real gift. Some call him the Walter

952
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: Cronkite of his generation. I saw that on his Wikipedia.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine what a great compliment?

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Speaker 7: That is an awesome compliment. But I mean, if I

955
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Speaker 7: live up to just ten percent.

956
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Speaker 4: Of waiting, you were well on your way. So, Courtney,

957
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 4: what would you like to ask Aaron next?

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Speaker 3: Oh? My goodness, well, I want to put your your

959
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 3: legal degree to some work. Oh put the lead. Technology

960
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: is advancing and it's just roaring head from a legal standpoint.

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00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: Do you feel like our laws, protections and regulations are

962
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: keeping pace with technology and its advancement.

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Speaker 7: No, and I mean not.

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Speaker 3: At can't.

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Speaker 7: And it can't because of the system we live in.

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00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 7: We have a system that is meant that is that

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Speaker 7: that was designed to encourage grid law. Right. You look

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00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 7: at the Congress past fifteen laws last year fifteen. That's

969
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 7: it technology fast right, and that's about one per month.

970
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 7: Whereas technology, I mean AI, they had not even touched

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Speaker 7: AI regulation and I'm falling for AI now.

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Speaker 3: I think for AI last night.

973
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Speaker 4: I think I know punched the monkey.

974
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: I even thought I was on board with Punch and

975
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: his he had a girlfriend and he was at the

976
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Speaker 2: zoo and I sent it to body and she like

977
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: coughed it right back to me and said, punches doesn't

978
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: carry that a ring and tang around.

979
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Speaker 3: That's half the size. You got fooled again.

980
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, AI caught me.

981
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, AI is getting me. So No, the answer is no.

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00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 7: It's it's really scary kind of where we're at as

983
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 7: a nation right now.

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Speaker 2: It is is there something that we can do to

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00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: help prevent that, because it does seem like there is

986
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Speaker 2: a lack of regulation happening behind the scenes right now

987
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: as well, and lawmakers who are benefiting maybe financially from

988
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 2: AI or this next stage of AI. If we're back

989
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: to the follow the money train. That's where my brain goes.

990
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: And that gets a really nerve wracking too, because it's

991
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: happening kind of quietly around us without us necessarily weighing in.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think you hit nail on the head right there.

993
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 7: You have AI spending millions of dollars to elect candidates

994
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 7: that won't regulate AI. They get into Congress, they don't

995
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 7: regulate AI, and so it's like this screwed up cycle.

996
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 7: The best way to do it is GOO for candidates

997
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 7: who are up against AI money. But in our political system,

998
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 7: how do you beat millions of dollars? It's very difficult.

999
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 7: It's very difficult. So the answer is, unfortunately not and.

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00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: How do we handle that just a media coverage alone,

1001
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 2: you know, with all of these mergers happening and Ellison

1002
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: taking over TikTok and also all of these huge mergers.

1003
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: You know, having single families or single people having this

1004
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: much media under their control, that can be a little

1005
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Speaker 2: scary as well.

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Speaker 4: Not saying that it will be, but it does raise

1007
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Speaker 4: a few eyebrows.

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Speaker 7: No, it's terrifying. I mean I am terrified of it.

1009
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Speaker 7: But I will say this, I actually think it's having

1010
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 7: an adverse effect because the rise of independent media to

1011
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 7: the point, like I mean, like so many independent podcasts,

1012
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 7: so many independent journalists. Major media companies are losing good

1013
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 7: talent every single day, and so they're making CBS and

1014
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 7: CNN and those of the world are more obsolete. So

1015
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 7: it's actually having an adverse effect in my opinion.

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Speaker 4: I can't agree with you more.

1017
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree totally.

1018
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 5: We cover true crime mainly on our show, but we

1019
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 5: also cover a lot of constitutional and we cover law,

1020
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 5: a lot of law, and I'm a huge Fourth Amendment person,

1021
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 5: and a lot of the cases that we cover good, Okay,

1022
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 5: So on a lot of the places that we cover,

1023
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 5: there's this growing tension right between safety and surveillance. And

1024
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 5: for example, in the case of missing eighty four year

1025
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 5: old Nancy Guthrie out of Tucs on Arizona, the FBI

1026
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 5: was able to pull video footage from her nest camera

1027
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 5: even though she didn't pay for the subscription and have

1028
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 5: the cloud services. And you know, in cases involving exploitation

1029
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 5: of children on the internet, Roleblocks has now implemented this

1030
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 5: facial scanning technology to identify children and how old they

1031
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 5: are to put them in appropriate chat groups. What do

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00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 5: you make of all the apparent loss of privacy in

1033
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 5: the context of preventing crime?

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00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 7: Three words, history repeats itself. Okay. The conversation we're having

1035
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 7: now is the same conversation we had right after nine

1036
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 7: to eleven, just with more technology, just with more technology. Right,

1037
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 7: the United States of America is a surveillance state. Anyone

1038
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 7: who says otherwise is lyned to you. Everything you do

1039
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 7: is surveiled. And I think that's what unfortunately a lot

1040
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 7: of people don't get is that when you open up

1041
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 7: an account on any social media platform, you have to

1042
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 7: read through dozens and dozens of pages of terms and conditions.

1043
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: Not a single person is reading those terms. But if

1044
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 7: you've read those terms, you're giving away your entire data

1045
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 7: the moment you sign up for that, and that data

1046
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 7: will then be sold and will be sold and could

1047
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 7: eventually get in front of it gets sold to the

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Speaker 7: federal government. I mean, like when you get a ring camera.

1049
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 7: To purchase that ring camera, that is a contract. There

1050
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 7: are terms and conditions in that contract to purchase a

1051
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 7: ring camera. There are terms of conditions to download that app.

1052
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not surprisedeople shouldn't be surprised. And that's

1053
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 7: why people need to just go into this eyes wide open.

1054
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 7: I'm a kind of just a realist in the sense

1055
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 7: that I understand that anything I do online is going

1056
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 7: to be there forever and can be accessed by anyone.

1057
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 7: And that's how I keep it going right, keep it clean,

1058
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 7: and I keep it clean. And so it's a very

1059
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 7: scary situation. It's a very scary state of affairs that

1060
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 7: we're in. But it's it's where we're at. I mean,

1061
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 7: you walk through an airport, they're facial recognition scanners in

1062
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 7: some airports now, right, like when you're good, that's data collection.

1063
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 7: It's all data collection. So it's there's nothing. And unfortunately,

1064
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 7: what they do is they make it so that you

1065
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 7: can't live a normal life and be integrated in society

1066
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 7: if you disagree with any if you say tomorrow, I'm

1067
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 7: not going to come to what's happening at airports in

1068
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 7: terms of Okay, you're not gonna fly.

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Speaker 3: You don't like right, Like then you can write no problem.

1070
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, make it so hard where like truly you can

1071
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 7: live off the grid, Like what's the name Ted Kazinski did,

1072
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 7: Yeah that's the only Yeah.

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00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, our options are so positive, right, but like you know,

1074
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Speaker 2: I don't even have TikTok anymore. I've deleted my chat,

1075
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: GPT and again, but we're it makes no difference, probably

1076
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 2: because I'm still googling for information and I'm doing tons

1077
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Speaker 2: of research on my computer.

1078
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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm like cutting off a.

1079
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 2: Finger when it really the entire body has been contaminated.

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Speaker 6: So the end.

1081
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 5: I cannot delete TikTok. I'm too addicted to the algorithm.

1082
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 7: It's just okay, you delete a TikTok with your Facebook.

1083
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, It's like exactly.

1084
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Speaker 2: And I still I still I try not to post

1085
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: because we do so many terrifying shows about children and

1086
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Speaker 2: you know, them being seen on social media and trying

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00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: to keep out of that. So I'm not as fun

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00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: on social media anymore. But I still enjoy it, and

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00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: I love seeing buds from home in high school and

1090
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: all the all the positive stuff that comes with it.

1091
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: But I know in doing so, I have signed right

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00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: up for all the bad stuff too. You may a

1093
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: really very very good point, though, just to underscore it.

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00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: It's simple and probably exactly what I personally needed to hear.

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00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 4: We're getting yeah, you're getting watched.

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00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 2: Keep it clean, you know, if you're going to put

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00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: it in text and put it in your DMS and

1098
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: all the stuff, just assume that it's going to get

1099
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 2: red and that keeps it pretty black and white.

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Speaker 5: I have a question, it's more on the lighter side

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00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 5: of things. But Aaron, you are so popular, right, and

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00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 5: especially popular with the people that are younger, right gen

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00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 5: Z gen Alpha even millennials and gen X people, boomers

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00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 5: even I guess right, But specifically, you're shaping how a

1105
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 5: new generation understands the news. I believe that you're shaping

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00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 5: that me too. Does that responsibility ever feel overwhelming for you?

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00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 7: All the time?

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00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 9: Does it?

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00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1111
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: To be a certain way?

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00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, it's an immense responsibility to always be right.

1113
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 7: And it's not just because for all the people that

1114
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 7: love the work I do and the same amount of

1115
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 7: people who want to bring me down, And so I

1116
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 7: have to always be one hundred and ten percent right,

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00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 7: one hundred percent verified, and when I'm wrong, I have

1118
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 7: to be the first one to admit it.

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00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: And it's totally fair, and you know that's okay. By

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Speaker 2: the way, do you get a lot of hate? I

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00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that. That makes me mad, really jealous.

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00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 7: I mean I get jealousy, but also like death threats.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I know. Yeah, I'm surprised.

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00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 3: You're surprised, only because I'm surprised You're people aren't nice online.

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00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: If you're nice online people are nice to like, I

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00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: would be heartbroken and that would be so upsetting.

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00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to be a thick skin. And does

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00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 4: that do you have a thick skin by now.

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00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean nothing bothers me anymore. Like I don't

1130
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 7: read my comments.

1131
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: I don't like right, don't read the comments may tell something.

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00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 7: It is very easy to be kind of a faceless,

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00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 7: nameless account and put anything you want out there. It

1134
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 7: is very easy. People people want me to live in

1135
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 7: their heads, rent free.

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00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 6: Okay, no problem, I say.

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00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: The same thing.

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00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 4: And by the way, we get critiques, and I get

1139
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 4: them all the time.

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00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: I really appreciate the feedback, and I like the straight talk,

1141
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 2: and you know that seems constructive. I want to take

1142
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: that into account. But yeah, I never even considered. Well, listen,

1143
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: you send them my way. I'm gonna I'll have your.

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00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 5: Back, will take care of them, I promise you. I

1145
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 5: literally I'm aaron. I wait to three or four text

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00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 5: messages from around two of them.

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00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: Are your tiktoks on you seeing the world?

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00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 6: Please?

1149
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 4: I genuinely am.

1150
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: I do think there is a new crop of big

1151
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: brains that are coming up hot and that are you know,

1152
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: you know, measured and reasonable.

1153
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 7: You should do a project together now that I would

1154
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 7: love it the rich Ins case.

1155
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 4: Let's start it tomorrow. Yes, let's do We're going to

1156
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: do mommy, you're in our head.

1157
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: Yes we have seen sympatico, but yeah, I think it's

1158
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: an important time because I think you know, in the

1159
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: world of true crime too, and we talk about this

1160
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: to nauseum.

1161
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 4: You want to be productive, right, So all.

1162
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: The politicis Epstein files and the UFOs are coming and

1163
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: there's going to be disclosure in two weeks and what's

1164
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: the sig ups. It's all very fatiguing, and you know

1165
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: that's our job is to kind of declutter that. And man,

1166
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: you do that really well.

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00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 6: Thank you.

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00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 7: I appreciate it. It's not easy, but just got to

1169
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 7: do it.

1170
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: And if you're and how do we protect ourselves identity wise?

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00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: So if you're getting death threats and things like that,

1172
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: which is terrible, is there something that we should be

1173
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: aware of because our listeners ask us a lot to

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00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: us as well. People just want to feel like they

1175
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: can disappear and not have their address out there or

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00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: be easily findable.

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Speaker 7: Their tools to do that. I mean, like you can

1178
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 7: contact your property records of your state, right it's not

1179
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 7: they don't make it easy for you. But then you

1180
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 7: have to like prove that you're getting some kind of

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00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 7: threats and stuff, but their their avenues to do it.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I have companies wipe my information off the

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Speaker 7: Internet from data brokers every day.

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00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: But so sure, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Are we

1185
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Speaker 2: going to see a UFO disclosure in your opinion anytime soon?

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Speaker 6: Maybe?

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00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 7: Maybe?

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00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I know the Russian things coming out this week,

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Speaker 2: so you're already in my head on that one, and

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00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: we were just saying that before the break, so I'm

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00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: anticipating that this week as well.

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Speaker 4: That tracks for me on the Epstein side.

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00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: But the media you're falling out of the sky and

1194
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 2: hitting Ohio today, to me also tracks as a scene

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00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: center if in fact you want to have either a

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00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: real alien disclosure or a pretend one. I don't know

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00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: what's real anymore, but I give it about six days.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like the stage is getting set. Either

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Speaker 2: that or my algorithm is playing tricks on me yet again.

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Speaker 7: It's coming. It's coming, I hope. So I want to

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00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 7: know about aliens me too.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 5: So, Aaron, you graduate from George Washington University of Law

1204
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 5: school at twenty one, I mean, that's remarkable to me.

1205
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 5: How does your legal background impact your reporting?

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00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 7: So it actually helps tremendously because it allows me like

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01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 7: take these really complex topics and read them, digest them,

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01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 7: and like post very quickly. So like I know it's

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01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 7: important and I know it's not important, especially on the

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01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 7: legal stuff, like I know the terms, I know the players,

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Speaker 7: like I I've been in a courtroom, I've dealt with

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01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 7: some of these personalities, and so it actually it helps

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Speaker 7: me digest information very easily.

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Speaker 3: Well, and you explain it so well.

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01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 5: We We have an attorney on our show too, every

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01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 5: every week, and he's a former prosecutor and he's able

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01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 5: to do the same thing for us. He's able to

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01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 5: take these really complex verdicts and because we talk a

1219
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 5: lot of trials, he's able to take these really complex

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Speaker 5: verdicts and kind of like dumb it down for us.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like that's what you do, You dumb

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Speaker 5: it down for me at least. Yeah, he's really complex. Yeah,

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01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 5: makes make it seem more like palatable and whatnot. You're

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Speaker 5: so good at it.

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Speaker 7: And John, I can't.

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Speaker 5: Will you graduated at twenty one? I didn't go to

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Speaker 5: college until I was thirty five.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I believe listening there's no timeline that is

1229
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: that's true. Soul ways, that's exciting. Did you feel a

1230
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 2: little out of step at the old court?

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01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I know we're I'm going to.

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01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 4: Hold him hostage.

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Speaker 3: Hostage, Aaron, listen, I know you you don't know me,

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01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: but I'm known as the buzzkill around here, and it's

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Speaker 3: my turn to say thank you so much because yeah,

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01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 3: you have really honestly, we thank you so much for

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01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 3: joining us, for breaking down all of these complex topics

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01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: that we've been talking about. And listen, everyone should be

1239
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: following Aaron's reporting. I do mean that sincerely, and I

1240
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: do get it through, you know, every day through Stephanie.

1241
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 3: You're amazing. And Aaron is available on Instagram, on TikTok

1242
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: and substack at Aaron Parnis, so find him where you

1243
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 3: want him. And we thank you again for being here. Aeron,

1244
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 3: keep fighting the fight.

1245
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, come back anytime. We can't wait to catch up. Yeah,

1246
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: and go have a great night.

1247
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, go enjoy your night. Thank you. Daye stick around.

1248
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 3: We've got trials to get into and some talkbacks True

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01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: Crime Tonight.

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01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1251
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

1252
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: and body happy saying Patti's day, How wonderful was Aaron.

1253
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 4: We're so glad he was here. He's so comforting.

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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: I found his his coverage very comforting and kind of

1255
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 2: separating the things that are emotionally charging to explore versus

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01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: things that can be productive and that have real actionable

1257
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: next steps.

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Speaker 4: So follow the money.

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01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: I guess we're continue to follow the money.

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01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 6: And you've been seeing that.

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01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: You've been realate, but I, you know, I really have

1262
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, I felt like it was important that we

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01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: went through the files on our own and not just

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01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: like clickbait all of it, because it's really it's a lot,

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01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: and by the way, it's really tempting. And to Aaron's point,

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01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: every time I want to talk about it, when I

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01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: try to, I hear myself and I sounded, yeah, I

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01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: sound exactly the same person that I would have said.

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01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like reasonable. So I'm mindful of that.

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01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to be that person either. So it's again,

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01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 2: it's out there.

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Speaker 6: It did didn't make you feel he's.

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01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: Doing the same thing right exactly.

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01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: He's doing the same thing right, So I have some

1275
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead. I was gonna say, why I

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01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: think you have some news that we were curious about.

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Speaker 5: We were on with Aaron and my phone went and

1278
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 5: I got some information and I was like, oh, this

1279
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 5: is kind of interesting. So you know that Air Force

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01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 5: general that went missing in New Mexico that I've been

1281
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 5: kind of like obsessing. I've been obsessing about mccastland. Right,

1282
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 5: William McCasland. He's the Air Force general. He went missing, uh,

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 5: very recently on February twenty seventh, I believe. Anyway, a

1284
01:03:54,840 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 5: former colleague of his disappeared months before, months before what,

1285
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 5: while she was hiking, according to authorities. Right, her name

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01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 5: is Monica Rezza, and she was last seen hiking in

1287
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 5: the Los Angeles Forest with a companion about nine months ago.

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01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 5: Police say that Reza was about thirty feet behind the

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 5: person she was hiking with, and she was smiling and

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01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 5: waving and doing, you know, just hiking. And the person

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Speaker 5: turned around and guess what, she was gone.

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Speaker 3: She was gone. Rescue teams spent.

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Speaker 6: I was just to say that they worked together, like,

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01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm trying to get the connection.

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Speaker 5: Well I'm getting I don't know. I listen, Okay, this

1296
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 5: is brand new information. I don't this might be a

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01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 5: nothing burger. I'm going to find out. I'm literally reading

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01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 5: this from my phone.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 5: So the person turned around, she was she was gone.

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Speaker 5: Then rescue teams they spent days looking for her, but

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Speaker 5: they've never recovered her. She was an aerospace engineer and

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Speaker 5: she developed a special metal that was used.

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Speaker 3: In rocket ships. Oh my god, what is happening.

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01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 5: So the project was funded by the US government and

1306
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 5: overseen by William McCaslin. So there's a connection. So this

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01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 5: project she was working on was under being overseen by him.

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01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 5: We don't know whether or not these missing person cases

1309
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 5: are connected, but at this point I did tip off

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Speaker 5: the bernad Lillo County Sheriff's Apartment, that's the Albuquerque Sheriff's

1311
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 5: department about it and asked if this lead that they

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Speaker 5: were investigating there. We're still waiting to hear back. And

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Speaker 5: this is from News Nations Alex Caparillo.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, two people in the same division, if you will.

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01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 3: Are just vanishing from the face of the earth, right gone.

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Speaker 2: So there's something also, you know, there's been a couple

1318
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: of articles that have come out about just either scientists,

1319
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 2: whether the one that was at MIT that was executed

1320
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: in that storage facility. You remember somebody who was also

1321
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: working in the place, plasma world, and if I'm not mistaken,

1322
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: and I know we're winging this, but I think a

1323
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: physicist and like his work somehow had connections potentially to

1324
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: nuclear stuff.

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 4: I think I want to we're going.

1326
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Speaker 3: To go down this rabbit hole.

1327
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: But there are about like five assassinations even just in

1328
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: this last year of high profile scientists that are like

1329
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: loosely being linked together. I've been sort of like seeing

1330
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: this in the other stuff and in other categories. But yeah,

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01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 2: it's really.

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Speaker 3: Shocking to me.

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Speaker 6: Plasma plasma world, Yeah, in.

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01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: The science world, and somehow it has some kind of

1335
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 2: a link. I don't even know what plasma means. If

1336
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: you're a SCIENTI rist and have.

1337
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 6: A state of matters. It's after a solid liquid and gas.

1338
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 6: It's a gas that's been superheated so much that the

1339
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 6: electrons break free from the atom, creating a mix of

1340
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 6: charge particles some like two science some things to fully understand,

1341
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 6: but that's it creates energy.

1342
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: It creates energy. Yeah, there was something to it, so

1343
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, but we should look into that. In gosh,

1344
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: what are the odds that two people that maybe have,

1345
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: even if it's dated information. You guys will remember last

1346
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: night we reported on this that his wife had spoken

1347
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 2: out and that you know, she was sort of, you know,

1348
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 2: being a little sarcastic by saying, look, it seems pretty

1349
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 2: unlikely that he had all these important secrets in his head.

1350
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: You know, they were thirteen plus years old. He hadn't

1351
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: worked there for a long time, so whatever info he

1352
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: did have is probably dated and maybe not worth stealing

1353
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: him over or abducting him. And we just hope he's

1354
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: safe or is there some connection between these crazy times?

1355
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 6: And you were saying, I listened to what you said

1356
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 6: yesterday that there was a sort of a logic even

1357
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 6: though I wasn't here, so welcome back, but I heard

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 6: what you said that it could be a sort of

1359
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 6: a ruse to make sure that whoever has him is

1360
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 6: maybe not hurting him because he doesn't know anything else.

1361
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 6: That's the only info he has. But I will say

1362
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 6: that I did see the stories now on CNN, so

1363
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 6: it is picking up some traction. So it's it's starting

1364
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 6: to more people are talking about this this case.

1365
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 2: So the body was the person who alerted me to it,

1366
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: and I feel like she was first in the story.

1367
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: To be honest, it wasn't she really was anywhere.

1368
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm kind of obsessed with like science and I get.

1369
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 2: It, and let's put you on the plasma thing. The

1370
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: m I t scientists. I know that they have the

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01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: guy committed suicide. I'm forgetting his name. But there's been

1372
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: guy from four different scientists. Yeah, the Portugal guy.

1373
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 5: But he killed his class beat the other physicists to remember,

1374
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 5: and that's the one I'm referring to right right, and

1375
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 5: they were in they were into nuclear physics or correct

1376
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 5: physics in general. Yeah, but I'm obsessed with nuclear reactors

1377
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 5: and everything. So I'm I'm here for you guys. Know,

1378
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 5: I want to go to like so bad.

1379
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,879
Speaker 6: Understand why. I mean, Mexico.

1380
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Speaker 3: My Mexico is.

1381
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 6: So terrific.

1382
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't know this south of France.

1383
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 3: You know me too, I'll go. Let's all go to.

1384
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

1385
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 5: I don't know about that, but anyway, So that's that's

1386
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 5: the update. That's the breaking news is that this colleague

1387
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 5: of his, she was hiking and her friend turned around.

1388
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 5: She was he saw her or she and they didn't

1389
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 5: say turned around and she was literally gone, and they

1390
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 5: haven't seen her sense literally beamed up.

1391
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. She was literally beamed up, is

1392
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 3: what I'm thinking. Yeah, whoa, oh my god. Well yeah,

1393
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 3: that is quite an update.

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Speaker 5: Good Courtney, the insulin, the insulin. Nurse, what happened?

1395
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: What's going on? So we have some details happening in

1396
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 3: the trial. We want to go over. But Megan Sonwall,

1397
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 3: she's a nurse and she is on trial. She's being

1398
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: charged with aggravated murder and obstruction of justice. The prosecution

1399
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:53,799
Speaker 3: is alleging that she killed her friend Carrie Terry Casey

1400
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Speaker 3: Terry rather, and that she did so in order to

1401
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 3: get a one point five million dollar life insurance payout

1402
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 3: that her friend, now deceased, said that she was the

1403
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,560
Speaker 3: beneficiary of. So does that make sense what the prosecution

1404
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: is alleging? I tracked that, well, done, tracked that.

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 6: Okay.

1406
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 3: What is a little bit confusing in this is that

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: the now deceased victim, for over four years she presented

1408
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 3: herself as though she had illnesses, including terminal cancer, and

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01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 3: she would get saline bags as drips to say it

1410
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 3: was chemotherapy drips. So it was an odd it was

1411
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 3: a very odd dynamic period and kind of both the

1412
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 3: prosecution and the defense agree on this. But something that

1413
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 3: did just come out is that the one point five

1414
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:54,440
Speaker 3: million dollar life insurance that the victim had been promising

1415
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 3: the nurse on trial, it turns out that that was false.

1416
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: It neverstance. What can we imagine?

1417
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 6: And now I'm trying to wrap my head around it.

1418
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 6: So she was basically lying to the friend about the

1419
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 6: insurance policy.

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01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: She was lying to the friend about allegedly about being

1421
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: sick with cancer, maybe for attention, Maybe she had a

1422
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: crush on this woman. Maybe there was something steep, you know,

1423
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: deeper in their dynamic. We don't know, that's an assertion,

1424
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: but she was lying about the disease and lying about

1425
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: the treatment, meaning she was not getting real chemotherapy because

1426
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: you know, later we find out she actually didn't even

1427
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: have cancer. And maybe because she was looking to bond

1428
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: with this weird friend that she was developing this dynamic with.

1429
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 3: She may said in passing, you.

1430
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 4: Know you're going to you know my will, and I'm

1431
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 4: leaving it.

1432
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 2: All to you when I die. Maybe this was something

1433
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: she was saying to bond with this person. And then

1434
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: this person who's not much of a friend or a lover,

1435
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: whatever their dynamic is is like, I'm going to kill

1436
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 2: her and then I'm going to get this insurance money

1437
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: that she's talking about because I need the cash, and

1438
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: then allegedly kills her, only to find out that there's

1439
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: no cash and she wasn't sick to begin with, exactly.

1440
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: And so the nurse who's on trial, they had straight

1441
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 3: they were text conversations that have come out and trial

1442
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 3: about the victim saying, excuse me, I do have an

1443
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 3: insurance policy with your name on it, and the nurse,

1444
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 3: seeming a little happy about it, saying things like, well,

1445
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: if you're just gonna take away your misery and I'm

1446
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: going to benefit, I'm in a big financial hole. I'll

1447
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: take it. That's a paraphrase, but you know, it was

1448
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 3: this nurse incentivized to indeed kill her friend with insulin

1449
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 3: versus the mercy killing that she purports. So that's the

1450
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 3: whole trial. And then the victim's sister testified and she

1451
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 3: took the stand. It was really heartbreaking. The sister was

1452
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 3: very emotional. She stated, she's the only person living in

1453
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 3: her family now that her sister is dead. I know,

1454
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 3: and she also she is well acknowledged that her sister

1455
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 3: had falsely claim to have leukemia. Oh really, yes, but

1456
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 3: she said her sister never expressed any suicidal thoughts or

1457
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 3: wanting help ending her life. Of course, that's different. If

1458
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,520
Speaker 3: you look at the texts between the victim.

1459
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 5: And the nurse, a lot of things from your family,

1460
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 5: you really do, especially those kinds of thoughts.

1461
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 6: That's a good point. Yeah, I didn't think about that.

1462
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, she might be heartbreaking.

1463
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 2: It makes me feel sad for her because this is

1464
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: a woman. It's an adult woman who's pretending to have

1465
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 2: a disease, probably because she has very little self value

1466
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: and wants attention. And I know that sounds so demented,

1467
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,440
Speaker 2: but she was probably looking to like seem more interesting

1468
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 2: or more heroic, or more of a survivor. You know,

1469
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 2: she was inflicting this pain onto herself. But you know,

1470
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: maybe she did say to this woman, hey, you know,

1471
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: if she's dying, please help, not thinking that the friend

1472
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: would actually take her up on it.

1473
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, And that's obviously what's at issue, and it's

1474
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 3: the sister's testimony. I had not known this until then.

1475
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: The victim actually lived with the nurse and the nurse's

1476
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 3: husband for a little while, but then the sister testified

1477
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 3: that Casey she was worried about making the nurse mad,

1478
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 3: and that that was her biggest fear was of making

1479
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 3: her friend and nurse mad or letting her down. So

1480
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 3: this dynamic really comes into play very much, and I

1481
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 3: don't know where the power dynamic is.

1482
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 4: I'm so curious about the nurse's husband too.

1483
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 3: Was he aware of any of this.

1484
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure he would be a very important piece to

1485
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: this puzzle that we'll hear more about and just kind

1486
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 2: of shed a little light on their dynamic. Because it's

1487
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 2: funny when we read this for the first time, Hi

1488
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: for some reason assumed, and this was an assumption that

1489
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: maybe she had a crush on her, like it seems

1490
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: so desperately deep, like.

1491
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 6: She wants that much attention from another person.

1492
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that the victim was trying to kind of

1493
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 2: get a relationship with this person and was using all

1494
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 2: these crazy, made up stories to make herself sound needy

1495
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 2: maybe where she would get attention. It's all very sad,

1496
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: and I definitely that's a sign of some level of

1497
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 2: mental illness.

1498
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 3: Very sad. But then also we have to wonder how

1499
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: manipulative this nurse was being. I mean, according to the

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01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 3: victim's sister. She said the nurse felt like her sister

1501
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 3: couldn't die fast enough. I don't really want yes yes

1502
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 3: wow so and also that she yea at some point

1503
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 3: was afraid of the nurse. And the sister also in

1504
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 3: her testimony she knew exactly what was going on, she said,

1505
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 3: and the very first thing was to get her blood

1506
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 3: her sister's blood sugar level checked because she absolutely feared

1507
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 3: that the nurse was going to inject her with insulin. Wow.

1508
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 2: Really, again, these are not things so person thinks unless

1509
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: there's like a gut on that, that's that's very interesting.

1510
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 3: What would make her think it would be insulin?

1511
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 7: Though?

1512
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 5: Immediately unless she had pre prior.

1513
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 3: I guess that must have come out because the sister

1514
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 3: also said that there were a multiple phone calls with

1515
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 3: the victim where the victim felt like the nurse was

1516
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 3: trying to poison her. Oh, and she noted, excuse me,

1517
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: it's write in my notes that the victim specifically suspected

1518
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 3: insulin poisoning. So the victim is saying to her sister, Hey,

1519
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 3: my friend, I'm so afraid to make her angry, and

1520
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 3: I think she might be poisoning me. With insulin. What

1521
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 3: game over?

1522
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 5: So she's telling the nurse one thing and telling her family.

1523
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 6: Something completely opposite.

1524
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, slightly different, but not completely opposite because her

1525
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 3: family as well, everyone thought she was sick, but.

1526
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 2: Right, but yeah, you know, she's proven to be a

1527
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: straight up liar. Also, let's not you know, I don't

1528
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: want a victim shame and may she rest in peace

1529
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 2: that this is a terrible story. I feel badly even

1530
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: saying it, but you know, she was being very manipulative

1531
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: about something that's very serious. You know, leukemia is not

1532
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: something that you make up. People are suffering from the

1533
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: real thing. But it's also just sad. She probably just

1534
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: needed some more love from this woman attention. Yeah, well,

1535
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: keep it here. You've been weighing in and we're going

1536
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 2: to be getting to your talk back, so keep it here.

1537
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: We're going to get to them. Maybe cut up a

1538
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, we've had a pretty serious night. Yeah

1539
01:17:50,040 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 2: right here, Yeah, that's right. Welcome back to true crime

1540
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 2: tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all the time.

1541
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with our two most perfect little

1542
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 2: happy Saint Patti's princesses. By the way, Courtney has changed

1543
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 2: her green hat maybe four times. I wanted to giggle

1544
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: eighteen thousand times.

1545
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 5: Now.

1546
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: Wow. So it's like a.

1547
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: Little little hat. It's like a little green hat. It's

1548
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 2: like a little leprechaun hat. It's like a and two

1549
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 2: moments ago she had like a little.

1550
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 4: Like a like a cap paper boy, a little paper

1551
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 4: boy cap with a little shamrock on it.

1552
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 3: So cute.

1553
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: And we hear that the corn beef is going to

1554
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 2: be a hit cooking it tonight as we speak.

1555
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,799
Speaker 3: That's right, all of it coming over. You are welcome.

1556
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 3: It is a butter forward dinner. I will just say

1557
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 3: that we got the carry gold on the soda bread.

1558
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 3: We got a good ratio butters to the potatos. Yeah, hey, like.

1559
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: Got the cabbage and was going to do your big

1560
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 2: burger trick. And I really as I described it, and

1561
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, to what seemed like really hungry people, I

1562
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: got real vetoed quick. I was like, it's riamage, but

1563
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 2: we're going to turn it into a burger.

1564
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 6: I heard.

1565
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 4: I didn't sell it well. I didn't sell it very well.

1566
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: And it doesn't talking about kids, and it certainly doesn't

1567
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 2: sound good to a kid, right, So it doesn't sound

1568
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 2: like it is.

1569
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 3: I sell it out.

1570
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 4: I'm making it breakfast tomorrow exactly.

1571
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 6: It's a cabbage burger. Because that doesn't sound I.

1572
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 2: Held a piece of I literally held the head of

1573
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 2: cabbage in my hand, and I was like, I.

1574
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 3: Was excited to have cass. It was definitely a fu Yeah,

1575
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 3: it's almost like something you have to make and just serve.

1576
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 5: Its excited about it though, and then I tried.

1577
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 3: My mom was like, just eat it, and I was like, okay,

1578
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's so good. The lish I am sold.

1579
01:19:58,360 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 3: I am sold, I am sold.

1580
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 2: Hey, let's as we were talking earlier in the show

1581
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: Forgive Me, my phone went off.

1582
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if you heard that.

1583
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 2: When Aaron first joined us, there's a ring and blasphemy,

1584
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 2: but it was important. It was a friend calling who

1585
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 2: was sharing with me a missing poster of someone from

1586
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: the Pacific Palisades area and was curious if we would

1587
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 2: just at least read this information out loud and if

1588
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 2: I had any interaction with the family, which these are

1589
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: someone I don't know, but I'm heartbroken for them. So

1590
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 2: there's a missing poster. We'll put it on our website

1591
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 2: as well. The name is Ryan Finley. He's sixteen years old,

1592
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 2: attends Pali High School on the Pacific Palisades in California.

1593
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 2: He was last seen on March fifteenth, around eleven pm.

1594
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 2: He's from Marina del Rey, that's where he lives. His

1595
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: family is losing their minds looking for him there, beyond distraught.

1596
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 2: He was last seen wearing a Ralph ler and tea,

1597
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 2: black Adidas shoes with three stripes and a black backpack.

1598
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 2: Anyone who has information call seven zero seven two nine

1599
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 2: three six nine one two and we really hope that

1600
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 2: Ryan Finley has found safe and sounds sixteen years old.

1601
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, very sad, so.

1602
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 4: Incoming, and hopefully we can have some good news to

1603
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 4: report tomorrow.

1604
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd like that. Well, we are nearing

1605
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,959
Speaker 6: the end. You want to do a couple of talkbacks,

1606
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 6: Let's do it receive all right, let's see.

1607
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 9: I think y'all unlocked a memory when you're talking about

1608
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 9: the seven six' four. Group WHEN i was around probably

1609
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 9: fourteen fifteen years, OLD i had this messaging app on

1610
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 9: my phone Called kit AND i remember one day this

1611
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 9: strange man popped up on it and told, me if

1612
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 9: you don't do WHAT i, Say i'm going to send

1613
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 9: all these nude images, everyone you, know AND i knew

1614
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 9: THAT i hadn't sent a single nude image to, anyone

1615
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 9: not a, soul so anything that he would have been.

1616
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 9: Photoshops SO i told him either fall or do. It

1617
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 9: AND i think that then infuriated him BECAUSE i was

1618
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 9: calling his bluff AND i remember him getting so. ANNOYED

1619
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 9: i don't remember what he, said BUT i remember him

1620
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 9: getting so annoyed and eventually just giving. Up, unfortunately this

1621
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 9: is not, new BUT i am glad it's getting the

1622
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 9: attention that it deserves and hopefully we can find a.

1623
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 3: Solution.

1624
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah it is something that we don't talk about a,

1625
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 5: lot but it's a messaging platform and a lot of

1626
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 5: the animal abuse stuff THAT i looked, into we use

1627
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 5: kick to do.

1628
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 3: It so, interesting m.

1629
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 5: Hmm it's a messaging platform like a WhatsApp or what's,

1630
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 5: signal but it's not as. Secure it's not as, secure

1631
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 5: but it's really anonymous and it's just a messaging platform

1632
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 5: and a lot it's. Used it WAS i don't know

1633
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 5: what it's used for, now but it used to be

1634
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 5: used for a lot of like. Hookups let's, say oh, okay,

1635
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 5: okay and so, yeah it's not. Real it's not what

1636
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 5: we talk. About we probably should though it's called. KICK

1637
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 5: i think IT'S kik and, yeah that's probably the foundation

1638
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 5: of seven six. Four you, know this was obviously many

1639
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 5: years ago to our talk. Back you, know she didn't

1640
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 5: happen to her yesterday and that might have been maybe

1641
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 5: the you, know the.

1642
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 6: Start of the really.

1643
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 3: Story So i'm so glad that you.

1644
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 5: Recognized and, listen photoshop is it takes a? MINUTE ai

1645
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 5: nowadays with these, kids it's it's, tough you, know you,

1646
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 5: mean we have to have these.

1647
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: CONVERSATIONS i just had this, recently and it's not an

1648
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 2: easy conversation to, have but it's, important, right you, know

1649
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 2: we're talking about sexting and and really getting specific about. That,

1650
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 2: right so not only you're not sharing, nudes you're not

1651
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 2: asking for. Nudes and it doesn't matter if you send a.

1652
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 2: Nude you, know we've covered cases like this where you,

1653
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 2: know maybe a young girl sends a nude by the,

1654
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 2: way peer pressure to do, it, right so it sends a,

1655
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 2: nude takes our head out of the, photo so she's.

1656
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: Unidentifiable air quotes and then of course is identified and

1657
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: there's really there's no way around, that and to our callers,

1658
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 2: point because she had never sent a sexy photo or

1659
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 2: any she can you, know live in that. Conviction imagine

1660
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 2: if you did one time to the one person it

1661
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 2: lives somewhere in the back of your. Head somebody says

1662
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 2: this and you're, like, oh it must be.

1663
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: THAT i would have been dead during these.

1664
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 2: TIMES i don't know how kids are navigating, it And

1665
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 2: i'm so impressed by, them and you, know it's not,

1666
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 2: easy and we can't pile on about you, know how

1667
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: lame our kids are that they are always on their

1668
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 2: phones that we gave, them and you, know the internet is,

1669
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: here AND i think they're doing it as great as

1670
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 2: job as they possibly. Can and we're counting on this,

1671
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 2: generation THE covid Generation i'll call, it that are so

1672
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 2: tech savvy that you, know, listen they have to be

1673
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: integrated into the tech.

1674
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 3: World that's the.

1675
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 4: Future, allegedly by the, way can we take that. BACK

1676
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 4: i am not ready for. THIS ai is.

1677
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 3: HERE ai is the. Future why are we doing?

1678
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 4: This that is not the future that we need to

1679
01:24:58,960 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 4: be living.

1680
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 5: IN i don't want to Even, yes you're that last

1681
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 5: NIGHT i was WATCHING i think it Was Instagram i'm

1682
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 5: actually And i'm just scrolling. Through and it was an

1683
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 5: ad for a bath, bomb right Because, steph you were,

1684
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 5: like OH i fell For punch THE iai, said, well

1685
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 5: it's heart broken there was. This now, Listen punch is very.

1686
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 5: Cute he doesn't NEED. Ai, okay let me just tell you.

1687
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 6: That but.

1688
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 5: This bath bomb AND i was, like this is like

1689
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 5: an Uncanny valley feeling to. It you, know it's almost

1690
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 5: LIKE ai is so good right now that you literally

1691
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 5: are questioning if things are real or, Not and even

1692
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 5: things THAT i know are, Real i'm, questioning do you

1693
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 5: know WHAT i?

1694
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 3: Mean, like, well that's what's so dangerous.

1695
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 2: Now as true crime people and we talk about having

1696
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 2: surveillance footage and having video evidence and things that would

1697
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 2: set you, free things that we would count on to

1698
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 2: prove our. Innocence god, forbid that was. Needed now it's

1699
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 2: so easy for somebody to, say, oh it Was.

1700
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 4: Ai so there there.

1701
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 2: Becomes this headed layer of a lack of accountability because

1702
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 2: now we have something to point to to say that wasn't.

1703
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 4: ME i don't know who that is not, it you,

1704
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 4: know and before you couldn't.

1705
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 5: Really get away with, that, Right and it's such a

1706
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 5: good point you bring up, too because like let's talk

1707
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 5: about like The Nancy guthrie, case, right, yes. Exactly so

1708
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 5: they released that really scary ness. Footage we all saw

1709
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 5: the you, know the perpetrator in the mask and. Whatnot,

1710
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 5: well people on the internet were taking like stills from

1711
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 5: that video and like using A i to enhance, it,

1712
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 5: right and then posting the enhancements they were making and

1713
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 5: say he's got blue, eyes like it's so, right so so,

1714
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 5: so and then using that as evidence against other people

1715
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 5: that people were posting as.

1716
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: SUSPECTS i mean the suspect that was actually detained whose

1717
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 2: house got ripped into and then you know he was

1718
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: staying with his, MOM i, believe and you know they

1719
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 2: had to ransack his, house, right and you know he

1720
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 2: was on the new and that was very scary probably,

1721
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 2: yeah and it was you, know misinformation and he wasn't the.

1722
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 3: Guy, yeah everyone just.

1723
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 2: Hired and people saying, though and it's becoming kind of a,

1724
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: mantra oh well It's ai is the.

1725
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 4: Future who is saying?

1726
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 3: That does it have to be the?

1727
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 2: FUTURE i think we need to reclaim this a little.

1728
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 2: Bit we need to remind ourselves critical, Thinking we need

1729
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 2: to learn. Cursive that's priority in my, home like cursif

1730
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: is going to be on the. Menu it's literally not

1731
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 2: being taught in schools.

1732
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 4: Period In clytical thinking is going. Away, no there is

1733
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 4: no person being taught at.

1734
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 3: School, no what how are they going to read The

1735
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 3: declaration Of? Independence they won't? Know that's literally the. Question

1736
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 3: that's that is my exact.

1737
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: Point i'm like so many the manifest so many of

1738
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: the main you, know foundational documents that our country is based,

1739
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 2: on that is written in that beautiful cursive with an ink.

1740
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 2: Pen is an higher generation that we're counting on won't

1741
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 2: be able to read?

1742
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 6: It, well you. DON'T i was going to can you

1743
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 6: sign a? Check but you don't need to sign checks

1744
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 6: anymore because every signs a. Check, yeah it does that.

1745
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 6: Anymore SO i think those are all there's no.

1746
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 5: Signatures there's an if there's an em peoples where you,

1747
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 5: KNOW i, mean would be the way to.

1748
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 3: Go BUT i don't know what that. Means it's like a.

1749
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,560
Speaker 5: Bomb it's electromagnetic. Pulse it's like a, bomb but it

1750
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 5: wipes out. Electronics it's what it. Does it would literally

1751
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 5: obliterate modern.

1752
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 3: Society.

1753
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 5: Right but if there is something like an emp. Pulse

1754
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 5: what are kids going to? Do it's AND i understand

1755
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 5: WHY i, say how they're going to read The declaration Of?

1756
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 5: Independence it's, like, well they don't need. To they get

1757
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 5: just pulled up on their. Phone what if you can't, though.

1758
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 2: What if you can't you and let's assume for a

1759
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 2: moment that you won't be able to or even, weirder

1760
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 2: another dystopian scary thought is that how do you know

1761
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 2: if the information hasn't been rearranged or changed over? Time

1762
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 2: that you, know as you, know we die off and

1763
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: this generation dies off and there's another behind it during

1764
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 2: these very unusual different.

1765
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 4: Times is that a?

1766
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 3: Thing you? Know we?

1767
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 4: Heard you, know there's rumors and grock the you know right.

1768
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: The ROBOT x you know guy being sued by young

1769
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: teenagers for sexual. HARASSMENT i mean there what it was?

1770
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 3: Doing, yes god.

1771
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 5: Share so people were people were posting photos of themselves

1772
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 5: On twitter or WHATEVER x, okay and then users of

1773
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 5: the platform were, asking groc you know which is X'S

1774
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 5: ai bought to put that person in like scantily clad

1775
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 5: clothing or you, know, Naked because, listen you can do

1776
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 5: whatever you want ON. X it's like a free for

1777
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 5: all over there there's full on nudity and they were

1778
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 5: Making grock was making these photos of these very young.

1779
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 5: WOMEN i don't know how if they were a, VAGE

1780
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 5: i have no. Ideas wow like nude, yep, yeah and

1781
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 5: they're sing yeah.

1782
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 3: VICTIMS i remember reading an article and a woman, saying you,

1783
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 3: know it happened to her and she literally she said

1784
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 3: it was so startling because it looked like her own.

1785
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 5: Body looked just like, her right, Yeah AND i mean

1786
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 5: listen And aaron's. Wright congress only passed fifteen laws last.

1787
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 3: Year so what are we to?

1788
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 5: Do because guess, what these tech bros are all in

1789
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 5: bed with the lawmakers.

1790
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 4: Too, literally and there is no law. Too there's no

1791
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 4: law to keep them in.

1792
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 2: Line there's literally no, regulation and they're lyiring up the,

1793
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: world you, know and it's everyone's, like, well, GREAT ai

1794
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: is going to be their. Future but then the afterthought

1795
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 2: to that, is, oh and all the layoffs that are

1796
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: coming with, it and it's taking all of our.

1797
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 3: Jobs and all.

1798
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 2: That both things can both things have to be really

1799
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 2: Mind we have to be mindful of that this is

1800
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 2: something that we don't have to agree, to and the

1801
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: energy it takes out we are free, thinkers you, know

1802
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 2: we're allowed to say that that is not our. Future

1803
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: And i'm hoping that we kind of streamline a little

1804
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,759
Speaker 2: bit so we can make sure some of these regulations

1805
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: are put into, place because the genie is out of

1806
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 2: the bottle and we need to do a.

1807
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 3: Little bit of a take.

1808
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 5: Back if you want to see the brain rot that

1809
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 5: this is. Causing literally good x because every tweet that

1810
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 5: somebody puts, out even like government, officials they'll say like

1811
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 5: Today conger signed this. Act, okay that's all it. Says

1812
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 5: in the replies of that, tweet people are, like At,

1813
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 5: groc is this? Real like in the world, already who's To? Grock, Yeah,

1814
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 5: well What i'm saying is none of these people they're

1815
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 5: relying On groc to tell them that This congress really

1816
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 5: passed this rule like every single. Thing, adam you kind

1817
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 5: of shake your, hood, yeah because you you see it, too.

1818
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 3: Right, yeah it's. Funny it's like literally Any twitter post

1819
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 3: you can click on it and it's at rock is this?

1820
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 7: True is?

1821
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 5: True because people can't people don't know how to fact check.

1822
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 5: Nowadays they're they're reliant on this STUPID. Ai it's the

1823
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 5: brain rot of our. Civilization, NO i, agree and it's

1824
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 5: making me very.

1825
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,879
Speaker 2: Nervous and we didn't even get to talking about palant

1826
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 2: here and some of the developments that you know are

1827
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 2: really enmeshed in military awareness currently real time and ARE

1828
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 2: i keep hearing it it's our, future and, like why

1829
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 2: are we submitting to a future that's making.

1830
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 4: Away our jobs and our ability to support?

1831
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 2: Ourselves like, that in and of itself seems like something

1832
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 2: we should be focusing. ON i don't know what the

1833
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 2: answer is from, there BUT i feel like as a

1834
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 2: team in a, community there's true crime.

1835
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 4: Tonight.

1836
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 2: Crew if you guys have the, answer please let us,

1837
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 2: know BECAUSE i do think there's a couple of big

1838
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 2: categories THAT i think together we can make some. Change

1839
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 2: AND i want us to really remain hopeful about. That

1840
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 2: we're not facing the end of the. World we're not

1841
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 2: going to face an. Apocalypse don't the rage. BAITING i

1842
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 2: fall for. It it fatigues. Me let it fatigues me

1843
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 2: so that it doesn't have to fatigue.

1844
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 3: You it is not.

1845
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 2: True our energy needs to remain hopeful and positive and.

1846
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 2: Productive and all of the chaos that we're looking at

1847
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:48,440
Speaker 2: on our, phones we're looking at war and The Academy

1848
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 2: awards back to, back you, know and like little, clickbaits

1849
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 2: it's hard to it's hard to tell us how true

1850
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 2: compassion and empathy to.

1851
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 3: Exist and we're better than.

1852
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 5: That and then when you true compassion or, empathy you're

1853
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 5: considered like a weak person. Online oh, yeah you're made

1854
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 5: fun of or sure like it's it's just a really

1855
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,560
Speaker 5: toxic environment IN ai is not.

1856
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 3: Helping it's not.

1857
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 5: Helping so because even facts now are fake because OF.

1858
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 3: Ai, sure it's.

1859
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 2: Crazy that's WHY i feel like we have to source

1860
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 2: like fifteen things AND i did. That we, LIKE i

1861
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 2: keep myself up at night, like oh was?

1862
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 3: That you?

1863
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 2: Know so if anybody has any great sources, too on

1864
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 2: any side of the, equation we'd love to hear.

1865
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 3: It, yeah thanks everybody for. Joining we had a great,

1866
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 3: night especially Having Aaron parness. On that guy is, amazing so. Articulate, tomorrow,

1867
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 3: listen we're gonna be joined by everybody's favorite forensic, Expert

1868
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 3: Joseph Scott morgan will be. Here he's gonna help us

1869
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 3: unpack The Lucy letpee. Case she's the. One she's the

1870
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: nurse who's convicted of killing newborns and also The Kendrick johnson.

1871
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 3: Case that's the teen who has found deceased in a

1872
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 3: gym matt and it still raises a lot of.

1873
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 6: Questions o