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Speaker 2: Today's episode contain spoilers for Widow's Bay up to episode seven,
Speaker 2: which is all the episodes that are out currently as
Speaker 2: we're recording. Hello, my name is Jason Getsubsient and I'm
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Speaker 3: In today's episode, it's the show that's taking the Internet
Speaker 3: by storm.
Speaker 4: It's Widows Bay.
Speaker 3: We are loving it. You are loving it. It's spooky,
Speaker 3: it's hilarious. It seems like an overnight success, but as
Speaker 3: Jason will tell us, it's actually a show that has
Speaker 3: been in the works for a very long time, and
Speaker 3: we will be recapping episodes one to seven before we
Speaker 3: jump into a discussion about why this show is working
Speaker 3: so well for us and what makes us love.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Widows Bay Apple TV Plus premiered April twenty ninth. The
Speaker 2: first two episodes came out April twenty ninth. Uh drop
Speaker 2: every Wednesday. After the finale will be June seventeenth, Coming
Speaker 2: up here soon. Episode six and seven. Very interestingly dropped
Speaker 2: together on May twenty seventh.
Speaker 1: I think that was clearly.
Speaker 2: A bid to make sure that the momentum stays up.
Speaker 2: Those are clearly two paired episodes. But honestly, I think
Speaker 2: that was I think they were airing on the side
Speaker 2: of caution with that, and by the time this show
Speaker 2: reached episode four or five, it had already reached a
Speaker 2: critical mass of people talking about it. I don't think
Speaker 2: they needed to do that, but I'm glad they did that.
Speaker 3: But I will say, you know what, I think they
Speaker 3: go out of it that they probably won't expecting people
Speaker 3: did like lose them mind and just thought going, oh.
Speaker 4: My god, surprise, drop two episodes. And that is a
Speaker 4: great feeling for the people making the show, I think.
Speaker 3: So it gets that kind of hype boost. Even though
Speaker 3: I agree with you, I think at this point everyone
Speaker 3: likes the show enough that you could have trusted them
Speaker 3: to be separate. But hey, we got to watch two
Speaker 3: in a row, and now we get to talk about them.
Speaker 2: The show is created by Katie Dipple, longtime TV writer
Speaker 2: and improv comic in Los Angeles. Five of the episodes
Speaker 2: of the first season run are directed by Hiro Mariah
Speaker 2: and who is also an EP on the show.
Speaker 1: Of course his work on Atlanta's legend.
Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense when you see the
Speaker 2: tone of this show. Music by David Fleming. It's just
Speaker 2: a wonderful show. Okay, let's dive into three caps. We
Speaker 2: open on Widow's Bay. It's an island forty miles off
Speaker 2: of New England. Think Martha's Vineyard, but a lot less
Speaker 2: well known. There's no Wi Fi, there's no sell. The
Speaker 2: rest of the world has basically like ignores it. The
Speaker 2: mayor is Tom Loftus, played wonderfully by Matthew Reese. Think
Speaker 2: the mayor from Jaws, but like Nice, I wants the
Speaker 2: man from.
Speaker 3: Joe's But the island is the shock. It's like the
Speaker 3: island is his albatross.
Speaker 2: It's so funny, and he wants to turn the island
Speaker 2: into a destination like Martha's Vineyard. And good news, there
Speaker 2: is a New York Times travel writer who's there on
Speaker 2: the island. He's coming to like write a piece about it.
Speaker 2: It's a perfect device to get us to like understand
Speaker 2: the island as the audience. And of course, a good
Speaker 2: review from thew York Times can turn the entire economy
Speaker 2: of the island around. So Tom spends the hour, you know,
Speaker 2: just kind of like managing the weirdness, making sure the
Speaker 2: restaurant's going to be open, making sure the locals are
Speaker 2: who are kind of cantankerous and not necessarily like just
Speaker 2: trustful of outsiders, but just kind of very superstitious, sure
Speaker 2: about the island's lore, so to speak.
Speaker 3: So they're not necessarily welcoming, they're not super welcoming, and
Speaker 3: they think that Tom has kind of gone soft or
Speaker 3: just is being.
Speaker 1: Naive about the truth of the island.
Speaker 2: At at a certain point, fog rolls in, the power
Speaker 2: cuts out.
Speaker 1: Tom gets rattled, and you know.
Speaker 2: It's still refusing to admit that there's anything wrong with
Speaker 2: the island, but of course we kind of know that
Speaker 2: there is.
Speaker 3: We also get that great moment where it's like he
Speaker 3: gets so rattled that the guy thinks he's doing like
Speaker 3: a scam. Yeah, Like he's like he's like he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're doing a bit, like you don't need the gimmick.
Speaker 3: The island's kind of cool, and it's like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: this is a man who doesn't even at this point,
Speaker 3: we don't know if he knows himself, like he's he's yeah,
Speaker 3: he's ale, but he is like trying so hard to
Speaker 3: pretend that everything is fine on the island. But if
Speaker 3: you've ever watched a horror movie, if you've ever felt
Speaker 3: a goose bump when you've gone into a weird building,
Speaker 3: you know, nothing on this island is fine. And there
Speaker 3: are brilliant little details built in every episode. There's one
Speaker 3: terrifying blink can you miss it moment, so frickin good.
Speaker 2: One of the things the reporter asks Tom about is like, hey,
Speaker 2: I hear that there's a legend that if you're born
Speaker 2: on the island you can never leave. And Tom's just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. Let's go to an episode
Speaker 2: two church bells ringing at night. There's no one at
Speaker 2: the church. Why are the church bells ringing?
Speaker 1: But good news?
Speaker 2: The Times review comes out and it's great. Tom is
Speaker 2: absolutely thrilled. He makes his assistant, his executive assistant, Patricia,
Speaker 2: who is maybe my favorite character on TV. He currently
Speaker 2: makes read it to him twice. You know, there's tourists
Speaker 2: that are coming this weekend. It's all coming together. Then
Speaker 2: sirens sound. Wick, who is this cantankerous fisherman local in
Speaker 2: his you know, late.
Speaker 1: Fifties maybe early sixties. Is he's very against this.
Speaker 2: Time by Stephen, wonderfully played by Stephen, and he is
Speaker 2: very against this influx of newcomers, this this attempt to
Speaker 2: make a connection with the mainland. He says, this is
Speaker 2: all going to lead to tragedy and destruction and danger.
Speaker 2: He is causing a scene at the breakwater in which
Speaker 2: is like the only hotel like in the area. He
Speaker 2: is saying, you know, like it's not safe to put
Speaker 2: tourists here, you know this. Tom is like, you're a redneck,
Speaker 2: You're a hicic.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Like really like elak where he flips out and everyone
Speaker 3: in town is like, okay, wait a minute. Because we
Speaker 3: learn Tom was not born on the island. That's the
Speaker 3: one thing. So we don't know his son, however, was,
Speaker 3: which is part yes as far as we know. So
Speaker 3: it's really interesting to see him flip out in this
Speaker 3: moment and kind of lose a lot of the goodwill
Speaker 3: he'd been building.
Speaker 4: With some of the locals the town.
Speaker 2: The townspeople like gasp when he calls Wick a hic
Speaker 2: and Tom is like, well, listen, I'm gonna put my
Speaker 2: money where my mouth is, and I will stay in
Speaker 2: the breakwater in myself tonight, which is a hotel that's
Speaker 2: you know, there's like a restaurant there, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the locals heat at the restaurant, but nobody stays
Speaker 2: at the inn. It's it's open and the owner is.
Speaker 1: You know, there and around, but nobody like, actually.
Speaker 4: Nobody will say that.
Speaker 3: And this is where you start to get a hint
Speaker 3: of what Widow's Bay's true secret is, which is they
Speaker 3: can build in a.
Speaker 4: Different horror trope every single episode.
Speaker 3: In a way that makes it feel like Widow's Bay
Speaker 3: is essentially almost like the hell mouth of every horror
Speaker 3: trope that you can imagine.
Speaker 4: It's really cool. And yeah, the in Tom don't stay that, Babe,
Speaker 4: Me and Joel are like screaming at the TV, like,
Speaker 4: do not stay that? Come on?
Speaker 2: Well, the townsfolk give Tom basically a list of things
Speaker 2: he needs to accomplish when he stays there. So he's
Speaker 2: got to stay the night, He has to go down
Speaker 2: like into the crawl space for part of that, yeah,
Speaker 2: et cetera. So he has to stay in the Captain Suite,
Speaker 2: which is named for a captain who murder's entire family.
Speaker 1: He has to say ugly hortense. He had you.
Speaker 2: Know, there's apparently a killer clown. He has to record
Speaker 2: himself on camera doing all of this stuff. He has
Speaker 2: to get locked in a closet and he draws the
Speaker 2: line at going down into the.
Speaker 1: Cross space in the basement.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he does do it.
Speaker 1: He does. So he goes to the hotel. He stays
Speaker 1: the night.
Speaker 2: He hears the victims of a nineteen sixty to New
Speaker 2: Year's Eve disaster, like talking and screaming in the events.
Speaker 2: A welcome tape plays like it's possessed, and he's getting
Speaker 2: very very creeped out. But he is put at ease
Speaker 2: by another guest, William, who is there staying like just
Speaker 2: down the hall, and they bond together, you know, about
Speaker 2: like how weird it is. Tom talks about like all
Speaker 2: the weird board games that are in his.
Speaker 1: Room, and they go down.
Speaker 2: They go down to the lobby and play some board
Speaker 2: games and morning comes and Tom's like, oh, who I
Speaker 2: made it?
Speaker 1: I feel great.
Speaker 2: However, he discovers, first of all, he has a dream
Speaker 2: that he is in the crawl space to the hotel.
Speaker 4: And is it a dream?
Speaker 1: Is happy?
Speaker 2: Falls asleep he falls asleep playing the board games and
Speaker 2: is awakened, goes down to the basement, it goes into
Speaker 2: the crawl space where he's hearing stuff. A scary clown
Speaker 2: chases him in there.
Speaker 1: He wakes up, He.
Speaker 2: Wakes up the lobby, and he learns, much to his horror,
Speaker 2: that William there is no other guest. William is very
Speaker 2: likely a ghost in the spirit of a serial killer
Speaker 2: who stayed there once.
Speaker 3: And that's why you had a dream about him, just
Speaker 3: as an evil clown that's right following you. And I
Speaker 3: have to say again that moment when he's in the
Speaker 3: crawl space and we hear the steps go across, and
Speaker 3: he goes, William, is that you, And he goes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm coming in, and he goes, no.
Speaker 1: Don't come in, don't come in.
Speaker 4: You get that, don't come in.
Speaker 3: And then you see him crawl in as this terrifying clown.
Speaker 3: Is just that balance of horror and comedy. I have
Speaker 3: not seen it this effective for so.
Speaker 2: So good the piecing. They do a really good job
Speaker 2: of like giving you some horror and then punctuating it
Speaker 2: with comedy, and then you'll give you a stretch of
Speaker 2: this kind.
Speaker 1: Of strange twin Peaksian.
Speaker 2: Meets Parks and wreck kind of town charming, charming, charming,
Speaker 2: mird vibes, and then they'll dive back into the strangest
Speaker 2: in the heart, but always bringing you back at just
Speaker 2: the right moment.
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 2: Episode three, we go to the Historical Society and we
Speaker 2: learn a little bit about the island, which was founded
Speaker 2: by Richard Warren, like the governor, the original governor back
Speaker 2: in the early sixteenth eighteenth century, early eighteenth century, and
Speaker 2: is credited as the very first mayor of Widow's Bay.
Speaker 2: So tourists are beginning to kind of arrive. Tom does
Speaker 2: his thing, you know, locals are still trying to warn
Speaker 2: him about everything that's going on. Tom is pressing on
Speaker 2: despite this. He picks up a tourist, Marissa, who is
Speaker 2: in town for a bachelorette party and is staying at
Speaker 2: the inn, and she's asking like various questions. There seems
Speaker 2: to be some flirtation going on. Morgan warns him not
Speaker 2: to do the inaugural swim, which is a kind of
Speaker 2: ritual event.
Speaker 3: And it's this kind of tradition that the Metage always
Speaker 3: do this swim and you swim out far to a
Speaker 3: boat boy or booie and you come back, and but
Speaker 3: he's obviously wicks like it's dangerous and they're really playing
Speaker 3: on the Jaws elements here. But they bring in just
Speaker 3: such a outrageous twist and again a completely different horror
Speaker 3: kind of trope brought to life in a way we've
Speaker 3: never seen before. It's so silly and it's so good,
Speaker 3: and it still has the scariness they.
Speaker 4: Still want to bring it.
Speaker 2: Rosemary, who's this older woman who works in Tom's office,
Speaker 2: warns Tom that the woman that he picked up is
Speaker 2: actually a sea hag and this kind of legendary monster
Speaker 2: from the deep.
Speaker 1: And the Seahagg's whole method is when you see one,
Speaker 1: she'll scratch you, and then she's locked into your scent.
Speaker 1: And when she scratches you, she waits until like the
Speaker 1: wound will like slow you and paralyze you over time,
Speaker 1: and then when you're paralyzed, she will come and sit
Speaker 1: on your face and strangle you that way till you die.
Speaker 1: And Tom is like, give me a break. She would.
Speaker 1: The woman that Tom picked up is a very normal
Speaker 1: looking woman.
Speaker 2: Very nice, very nice, very age appropriate, attract just bumming, funny,
Speaker 2: good humor about the cuss and Tom is a widower,
Speaker 2: and then you're feeling like.
Speaker 1: Get at it. This feels like it could be okay.
Speaker 2: Well, the woman shows up at Tom's house after they
Speaker 2: have there was some weird they had dinner, they had
Speaker 2: like a meal together, and there was some weirdness about
Speaker 2: it where maybe she's pressing a little too hard about
Speaker 2: like let's meet up later.
Speaker 1: And Tom not.
Speaker 2: Exactly freaked out by the Seahag story, but like in
Speaker 2: the back of his mind it's like, no, no, no, I
Speaker 2: think that's you know.
Speaker 3: He's also like he did just prove that the Captain's
Speaker 3: bay was like haunted.
Speaker 4: You know, he's running that maybe you do have to
Speaker 4: This is a bit more serious, lid.
Speaker 2: She shows up at his house, outside his door at night,
Speaker 2: and it's very freaky. She's she's acting through the and
Speaker 2: this is like, oh my god, this is like the
Speaker 2: Strangers to your point.
Speaker 1: About my hor trope. This is a great it's so fun.
Speaker 1: This kind of Yeah, she's.
Speaker 2: Outside the door and she's acting very normal about it.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, but like I felt like there was
Speaker 2: a vibe and you know, you seemed like and you know,
Speaker 2: I need to ask you, I still need to ask
Speaker 2: you some questions about things. And he's now he's beginning
Speaker 2: to get very, very freaked out. He does not let
Speaker 2: her in, but but the scratch is beginning. He looks
Speaker 2: at the scratch on his arm. There is indeed a
Speaker 2: scratch on his arm, and he's and and it won't
Speaker 2: heal and he's and it's like slowing him.
Speaker 1: He's getting concerned.
Speaker 2: He there is an encounter on the beach during the
Speaker 2: swim that happens, and when it comes to his house
Speaker 2: later that night, somehow the sea hag gets into his
Speaker 2: home and does sit on his face and it's slowly
Speaker 2: strangling him. But that is when Wick comes and saves
Speaker 2: his life and shoots the sea hag boom.
Speaker 3: And I would say Episode three is our let's let's
Speaker 3: talk about this moment, Jason, because this is really our
Speaker 3: confirmation this shit is real. There's no rig rug poll
Speaker 3: like two people experience this thing.
Speaker 4: Tom is not crazy. We already knew from what we've seen.
Speaker 3: But they could still play on it. I think that's
Speaker 3: part of Widow's bab why it works so well, because
Speaker 3: they're not saying, like, is this secretly about his grief?
Speaker 1: Is is it not real?
Speaker 3: They just said boom, this seahag just got shot with
Speaker 3: a fucking dark gun and somebody else is involved.
Speaker 4: This is a supernatural show.
Speaker 2: Now, I love that about this show. We've seen so
Speaker 2: many shows, mystery bock shows in particular, where you're like,
Speaker 2: is it happening?
Speaker 1: What is happening? How much is real? Yellow jackets, Right,
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: Does not to your point. By episode three, it's real.
Speaker 2: There's three magical supernatural stuff going on in the island.
Speaker 1: Wow, how it works, why it works, what the source
Speaker 1: of it is. Don't worry about that. It's real, and that.
Speaker 2: Part of it is is what makes the comedy and
Speaker 2: all the other things work.
Speaker 3: So well.
Speaker 2: Agree, Let's go to episode four, which is where I
Speaker 2: think we all agree the show goes to another level.
Speaker 1: The show was already great by the first three episode was.
Speaker 4: A really good show.
Speaker 3: But this makes it a great show. So I think
Speaker 3: award contention show is that.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: From four, five sixty seven it goes to another level
Speaker 2: to I think I mean, looking at the landscape right now,
Speaker 2: I think I could say easily best show on television
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, the quality, the consistency of the writing. As you
Speaker 3: will see in this episode. The ability to shift focus
Speaker 3: and completely change the tone of the show, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: makes it. It proves how this could go on for
Speaker 3: seven eight seasons like a Parks and rec Not every
Speaker 3: episode can be about Leslie.
Speaker 4: Nope, right, Tom is our Leslie? Nope.
Speaker 3: In just the fourth episode, they switched to Patricia, and
Speaker 3: they managed to bring an episode that amps up the
Speaker 3: horror and kind of disconnected nature of the show to
Speaker 3: such a shocking degree. At the end, I was legitimately
Speaker 3: felt like I had been gotten by a twist, even
Speaker 3: though the whole time I knew what was going on.
Speaker 4: It's such a feat of TV.
Speaker 3: Making, and it also just reasserts this kind of unsettling
Speaker 3: curse is real and it's not just impacting Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is the This is the the
Speaker 2: Wickerman episode exactly.
Speaker 4: It's the episode and it's.
Speaker 1: Done so well. This is the Patricia Bottle episode.
Speaker 2: She uh we learned that she runs the little like
Speaker 2: library van for the local government, and she's also kind
Speaker 2: of like socially struggling on the island. There's like a
Speaker 2: group of women who she has a history with and
Speaker 2: for reasons that are revealed over the course of the episode.
Speaker 2: They just don't like never are going to accept her.
Speaker 2: They don't like her, and you can feel it, and
Speaker 2: Patricia is desperately wanting that acceptance from both them and
Speaker 2: from the island and the society on the island at large.
Speaker 2: So she's feeling very sad, and she finds at night,
Speaker 2: she finds that a book that had been turned in
Speaker 2: to the bookball bill Van which I forget, I'm forgetting.
Speaker 2: Oh it's called Your Turn, It's your and it's a
Speaker 2: self help book about like how to become the life
Speaker 2: of the party. It's basically this world's version of like
Speaker 2: how to win friends in influence people exactly.
Speaker 3: Mixed with kind of the secret or whatever. Like it's
Speaker 3: and it's very obvious, very quickly. And this is what
Speaker 3: I love about the show. Depending on your experience of
Speaker 3: the real world how You and You a Horror tropes,
Speaker 3: the way that you experience this episode and the show
Speaker 3: is different. My mom went through a phase of being
Speaker 3: obsessed with self help books. So the moment a self
Speaker 3: help book flew off the shelf and hit the floor,
Speaker 3: I thought, this is bad. But I love that the
Speaker 3: show plays it that you don't. It depends on your
Speaker 3: own relationship to those things. But the book starts to
Speaker 3: advise her on how to throw the perfect party.
Speaker 2: So Patricia studies this book and she puts together a
Speaker 2: plan to kind of hijack an ongoing local town government
Speaker 2: gathering and make it her own party. She invites the
Speaker 2: entire town, like everybody on her email list, and she
Speaker 2: invites all the mean girls. They're very stand office about
Speaker 2: it and don't seem like they want to go or
Speaker 2: maybe in fact, would love to see it fail. They
Speaker 2: let Protissa know that another townsperson is having a similar
Speaker 2: like having their own party the same night at the
Speaker 2: Elks Lodge. Patricia goes so far as to, oh, like
Speaker 2: use local zoning laws, the fact that thirty that more
Speaker 2: than ten people, not more than thirty non members of
Speaker 2: the Elks Lodge in the Elks Lodge at any given
Speaker 2: time to cancel this other party. She makes one of
Speaker 2: the people who work in the office be the DJ
Speaker 2: and learn like eight hundred different songs and the party
Speaker 2: she's getting it together, she's making the She's like really
Speaker 2: really studied this book. The thing I love about this
Speaker 2: book is like there's all these like worksheet person. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and like, so there's this She opens the first worksheet
Speaker 2: and it's like, what do you like about yourself? It's
Speaker 2: two lines and then and then under that is what
Speaker 2: don't you like about yourself? And it's like fifteen lines
Speaker 2: that you have to feel it's so good.
Speaker 3: So it's very much like positioning her as this victim,
Speaker 3: as this person people don't like.
Speaker 4: Also, while she's doing all of this, and this is
Speaker 4: the thing about this show that I never saw coming.
Speaker 4: This is the hero.
Speaker 3: Mindset in my opinion. The whole time, she's wearing this
Speaker 3: little tiara like.
Speaker 4: She's the queen.
Speaker 3: Wait, she's setting it up right, She's when she's making
Speaker 3: the punch and everything, she's still wearing it, and it's
Speaker 3: like a weird vibe and everyone's acting like.
Speaker 4: It's weird, but it feels weird because she's not the queen.
Speaker 4: It's the council party.
Speaker 3: And these are just the little twists that start to
Speaker 3: feel strange that you're setting up that something is going
Speaker 3: wrong and people are reacting are in a weird way,
Speaker 3: but we don't really know why other than she's just
Speaker 3: being awkward about it.
Speaker 1: Feels like I will say that I think that they.
Speaker 2: It's only one person that really makes a comment about
Speaker 2: like the about It's only Rosemary who's like, I don't
Speaker 2: think you should wear that head piece, but which looks
Speaker 2: like a tiara at in the moment anyway, So she's
Speaker 2: got everybody here. She has it out with the mean
Speaker 2: girls at the party, and we learned that the reason
Speaker 2: they don't like her is Patricia survived a serial killer
Speaker 2: attack maybe the guy who stayed at the hotel right
Speaker 2: that killed a lot of the mean girl group's other friends, yes,
Speaker 2: and that Patricia survived by hiding under her bed, and
Speaker 2: everybody thinks that she's lying about it, except she was
Speaker 2: never attacked and she's just trying to get like attention
Speaker 2: by being part of the serial killer attack that happened.
Speaker 3: And she says it's true, and I believe her, but
Speaker 3: I'm very interested because I feel like, at this point
Speaker 3: in the show, a lot hinges on her experience of
Speaker 3: that night.
Speaker 2: So the party's going great. It's you know, she's like
Speaker 2: the life of the party. She's been working on this punch.
Speaker 2: She brings the punch out, everybody drinks the punch. Everybody's dancing, dancing, dancing,
Speaker 2: there's these wonderful creepy moments where they do this like
Speaker 2: swirling shot through the crowd is like the camera circles
Speaker 2: through the crowd of Patricia. She's dancing, and as it
Speaker 2: as different, like people in the crowd kind of block
Speaker 2: out the camera for a moment. You get this one
Speaker 2: snippet of everybody staring at her with this like.
Speaker 4: It's all your care.
Speaker 3: Yeah you can see that, Yeah, nightmare kind of thousand
Speaker 3: yards there in the mirror. They're all standing with their
Speaker 3: mouths open and you're, oh my god, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: And if you blink you'll miss it. Get back to
Speaker 4: the party. Everything seems fine.
Speaker 3: My read at that point was like okay, so like
Speaker 3: you know, that kind of hypnotized into enjoying the party.
Speaker 3: But they do think that having a good time. It's
Speaker 3: really interesting kind of where they choose to go with it.
Speaker 1: So she has delivered the punch.
Speaker 2: She then makes a speech that is basically like you know,
Speaker 2: thank you for all coming, and you know.
Speaker 1: It's a very normal speech.
Speaker 2: She goes back into the kitchen to like put the
Speaker 2: punch away, and Catherine is still there and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't no, excuse me, Rosemary's still there.
Speaker 1: In the corner and she's like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: didn't fucking understand a word of what you just said.
Speaker 2: And Patricia's like, you know what, like you're not being supportive,
Speaker 2: You're not a supportive friend. Yeah, you don't get it.
Speaker 2: Just then the sheriff comes in because there's been a
Speaker 2: noise complaint. Patricia loves that there's been a noise complaint
Speaker 2: because it means that people have been having a great time.
Speaker 1: He says, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 2: And that is when like the spell snaps and we
Speaker 2: see that what she's been chopping is not like stuff
Speaker 2: for the punch. It's like all these small animals, this
Speaker 2: ritualistic you know, chopping up of like entrades and entrails
Speaker 2: and things. And what she's gone on her head isn't
Speaker 2: this small tiara. It's like a set of bloody antlers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like placed on her head, the kind of head.
Speaker 3: And she's been running this whole party like this, every
Speaker 3: tourist in the room like it's it's such a good reveal.
Speaker 4: I did not see it coming. It's so creepy.
Speaker 3: It totally fucking shows how like much the town is
Speaker 3: ensned in this occult magic and it's so unbelievable of
Speaker 3: a performance from the woman who plays Patricia. It's like
Speaker 3: immedia Emmy Boom, just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: So everybody at the party, which includes several people from
Speaker 2: off the island tourists or the good looking people as
Speaker 2: Patricia calls them, have become entranced by some sort of
Speaker 2: magic of the island, and they are wandering out to
Speaker 2: the beach to words this wicker man thing that is
Speaker 2: currently burning, like on fire, burning, and Patricia runs out
Speaker 2: there to try and stop them. The sheriff is trying
Speaker 2: to stop them from just walking into the water.
Speaker 1: And drowning themselves the water.
Speaker 2: Patricia is carrying the book, the self help book, which
Speaker 2: she realized earlier when when the spell broke, is like this.
Speaker 5: It's witches like this acronomical skin, you know, looking good,
Speaker 5: not looking good?
Speaker 2: Right, So the spell is eventually broken when she holds
Speaker 2: she can't let go of the book.
Speaker 1: But she does manage to put it in the fire
Speaker 1: and burn it and it breaks the.
Speaker 2: Spells just like, oh what's going on? The mean girls
Speaker 2: are like you drugged us. I'm going to sue and
Speaker 2: it just like all falls apart and turns into something
Speaker 2: else great episode. Oh, let's go to episode five.
Speaker 3: How do you follow that episode, you may ask, And
Speaker 3: the question is by doing an even more like an
Speaker 3: equally is incredible episode that's totally different, So.
Speaker 1: We should add that.
Speaker 2: At the end of this episode, it is revealed that
Speaker 2: Reverend Price has hung himself in the church.
Speaker 3: Yes, we learned that he basically at some point had
Speaker 3: called them, and he says, I can hear the ringing,
Speaker 3: I can hear them.
Speaker 1: We see what we have to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he discovers that the bells have actually been like
Speaker 3: chained up, so there really is no way and he
Speaker 3: feels like he's going crazy.
Speaker 4: And the final moment is he hung himself in the church.
Speaker 3: So it's this really bleak ending that you kind of go,
Speaker 3: oh shit, where's it going?
Speaker 4: And then they.
Speaker 3: Somehow bring in like an incredible new character that just
Speaker 3: changes the tone in such a funny way.
Speaker 2: So Mayor Tom Wick and Patricia are in Reverend Price's office.
Speaker 2: They're looking through his stuff. Tom looks through his phone,
Speaker 2: you know, his landline phone, realizes that the reverend had
Speaker 2: called him a couple of times. So he's feeling very
Speaker 2: sad about this, like he wasn't there for the reverend,
Speaker 2: but then they.
Speaker 3: Was to be sat on to death. But I do agree,
Speaker 3: like I get it.
Speaker 2: They find some interesting things. They find black mushrooms wrapped
Speaker 2: in a napkin, a burnt letter of some sort, and
Speaker 2: a phone number for a guy named Todd. Also in
Speaker 2: the phone. Tom calls the phone number. Todd doesn't want
Speaker 2: to talk to him. He makes Patricia call again, and
Speaker 2: Patricia gets it done. They get the address. They show
Speaker 2: up at Todd's Todd is. Todd says he's not a
Speaker 2: drug dealer, but he is. He says he's a shaman.
Speaker 2: And he says, oh, these mushrooms, these are called true site.
Speaker 2: These are the only like mushrooms that I won't mess
Speaker 2: with because they give you incredibly powerful visions about like
Speaker 2: the future and about what's going on. It's like they're
Speaker 2: very troubling. Don't want to take these, and Wick is like,
Speaker 2: I'll do it. The only way that we can find
Speaker 2: out what's happening on this island and find out how
Speaker 2: to stop it is to like enter the spirit realm
Speaker 2: of through the doorway of these mushrooms. I will, I'll
Speaker 2: take it. And so they discuss this outside. They come
Speaker 2: back in Patricia tells Todd the drug dealer, Wick's gonna
Speaker 2: take it. So there's a mix up here, and because
Speaker 2: Todd thinks Tom is Wick hands him a cup of
Speaker 2: tea that Tom doesn't realize is the mushroom tea, and
Speaker 2: he drinks it and is embarking now on a twelve
Speaker 2: hour trip. There's another kind of b plot going on
Speaker 2: here where Tom's son, Evan, who is this rebellious like
Speaker 2: young guy smokes weed, has born on the island, has
Speaker 2: never left the island and is you know, always chafing
Speaker 2: at his father's control. It has been kind of like
Speaker 2: locked in Tom's Tom locked him in the office and
Speaker 2: was basically like told, I told his secretary of Rosemary,
Speaker 2: you know, basically watch this lady, watch watch my son.
Speaker 3: So those people are all incompetent, so crazy to put
Speaker 3: them in charge on it, right, So this is all
Speaker 3: he's too high, right.
Speaker 2: And also Tom has he's put in place at Curfew
Speaker 2: to try and keep the tourists from getting killed and
Speaker 2: keep them inside it at night.
Speaker 1: And he's got to.
Speaker 2: End He's got a chair like a meeting with the
Speaker 2: local with the townsfolk and the business leaders of the
Speaker 2: area because they are. You know, they're distressed about this curfew,
Speaker 2: so he goes on these like jagged trips where he
Speaker 2: loses time in between each of them.
Speaker 3: I think it's best about this episode is the representation
Speaker 3: of the tripping where it's like you're at the one place,
Speaker 3: you're at the house, then suddenly you wake up and
Speaker 3: you're at the fucking meeting, like you've been talking.
Speaker 4: Oh my God, like you just keep waking up.
Speaker 3: It's so it's a dream and so well done and
Speaker 3: so challenging for Tom as a carrotter.
Speaker 4: As somebody who always likes to be in control.
Speaker 2: So while Tom is variously incapacitated, Wick takes the burnt
Speaker 2: letter and goes to the Historical Society where he talks
Speaker 2: to Jerry, who we will later discover as kind of
Speaker 2: like an old flame of his. They're certainly a very
Speaker 2: very old friend of his, and Jerry discovers that the
Speaker 2: page is from the journal of Sarah Richard Warren, the
Speaker 2: founder of the Colony's second wife, and this is the
Speaker 2: thread that kind of like pulls the whole mystery open.
Speaker 2: The mushrooms basically destroyed Tom, but when he finally arrives home,
Speaker 2: you know, on this mission to find out where Evan
Speaker 2: is and what's going on with him. He confronts Evan
Speaker 2: and his friends in front of the house. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: go inside, Evan and him have it out where Evan's like,
Speaker 2: why didn't you ever let me leave the island?
Speaker 1: Like what's you know? Like they just like why did
Speaker 1: you lie to me about this? That and the other?
Speaker 2: You know, Like you're an asshole, Like you just are
Speaker 2: trying to control me. And Tom is like, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about this tomorrow. He goes into his bathroom where he
Speaker 2: prays to God, if God indeed exists, to protect his
Speaker 2: son because he knows that his son, having been born
Speaker 2: on the of his mind, he knows that his son,
Speaker 2: having been born on the island, can never leave or
Speaker 2: he'll die. And we get for the first time this
Speaker 2: vision of we see Tom's remembrances of what happened to
Speaker 2: his wife. His wife was pregnant with Evan, and they
Speaker 2: got on the ferry to leave, and she lost her
Speaker 2: sight and went blind and something happened. We then later
Speaker 2: see Tom talking to it. Did she die in that moment,
Speaker 2: It's unclear, but whatever happened was extremely serious. But also
Speaker 2: we know that Evan was born, So what happened?
Speaker 4: She did? She did?
Speaker 3: He says she in the first episode. I think you
Speaker 3: raise a great question. In the first episode he says she.
Speaker 1: Died, and she died in chat.
Speaker 3: But here it does imply that maybe something else we
Speaker 3: we don't know it's the trip is I think raises
Speaker 3: some really interesting questions.
Speaker 4: I don't mean to say like, oh, yeah, go for it,
Speaker 4: go for it.
Speaker 2: I mean I I'm wondering. Well, we'll talk about this
Speaker 2: when we talk.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, Well, I was going to say.
Speaker 3: That the one thing as well I want to know
Speaker 3: is like how do they balance because we do have
Speaker 3: the drug trip that is such a like stone of
Speaker 3: comedy drug even like Freddy Vessus Jason kind of comedy
Speaker 3: horror element. But the stuff with Evan and the kids
Speaker 3: in the car is very classic like Slashery Texas, Chancel massacre,
Speaker 3: beautiful lighting in front of a big house, like really cool,
Speaker 3: weird hare a trope shit, Like they know how to
Speaker 3: do this stuff and how to weave in multiple influences
Speaker 3: throughout an episode in a way I've never really seen
Speaker 3: another show though without it being like wink wink, nudge nodge.
Speaker 4: American horror story naming.
Speaker 3: This feels very much like just born off horror in
Speaker 3: a way other shows don't.
Speaker 2: We go to episode six, which is our another bottle
Speaker 2: episode we opened in the past. Seventeen oh two is
Speaker 2: the year Betty Gilpin wonderfully plays Sarah Westcott, the newly
Speaker 2: arrived see how to Show Up? Yeah, the newly arrived
Speaker 2: wife to Richard Warren. She kind of has been she's,
Speaker 2: you know, an older woman in seventeen o two, older
Speaker 2: for seventeen oh two, Yes, yes, childless, unmarried, So this
Speaker 2: is like a real chance to like have what is
Speaker 2: a normal life in this culture. And she's been married
Speaker 2: sight unseen to Richard Warren, who already has like five
Speaker 2: or six kids. I forget how many. She arrives and
Speaker 2: you know the places. It's a very strange town she learns.
Speaker 2: That is, you know, a very revered figure as the
Speaker 2: founder of the town and somebody whose efforts have created
Speaker 2: a place for people to live. But also there's a
Speaker 2: lot of darkness here. There's a sickness spread is unexplained,
Speaker 2: and you know, people are kept in their homes who
Speaker 2: have the sickness, and their doors are marked with and.
Speaker 3: He is yeah, he has like creepy we had rituals,
Speaker 3: like evening rituals to keep them inside.
Speaker 1: And he's a very strange guy.
Speaker 2: The it, you know, the church bell tolls and he
Speaker 2: has to leave on their wedding night, and and he
Speaker 2: does not explain why. And the mystery kind of unfolds
Speaker 2: to the point that at one point Sarah discovers a
Speaker 2: few things. One she discovers that there is a hidden
Speaker 2: chamber under the house where she thinks the body of
Speaker 2: a man named Ezra that Richard was talking to is
Speaker 2: down there, because she sees his bloody kane and she
Speaker 2: saw her husband bludgeon this man to death with.
Speaker 1: The king dun Dun Dun Dun dun dun, but the
Speaker 1: body is never found.
Speaker 2: Secondarily, someone at night comes into their home and like
Speaker 2: stabs Richard to death right next to her, but he
Speaker 2: doesn't die. And he comes downstairs where she's been hiding,
Speaker 2: covered in blood, and he tells her like, from now on,
Speaker 2: you can't leave the house. You and the children have
Speaker 2: to stay here, even in daylight hours. You can't go
Speaker 2: in there. You have to stay here.
Speaker 1: She escapes.
Speaker 2: She tries to tell like the local priest and a
Speaker 2: small group of the townspeople. What's going on. They're like, listen,
Speaker 2: there's a boat coming. You can leave, but you have
Speaker 2: to help us. You have to slip Richard this this
Speaker 2: thing that will put him to sleep so that we
Speaker 2: can attack, like basically take care of him. She's like,
Speaker 2: she does it, but he kind of figures it out
Speaker 2: and tries to kill her. The Richard's oldest son hits
Speaker 2: him over the head with a log, knocks him unconscious,
Speaker 2: and they escape down to the docks right to leave,
Speaker 2: to forget the ferry.
Speaker 1: They're just gonna row out of town.
Speaker 2: They get to the dock and a woman who they
Speaker 2: had previously seen in town, who has got the illness.
Speaker 2: Her face is all like scarred up and very very scary,
Speaker 2: is like, oh, take me with you, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: you got to stay back. She ends up hitting the
Speaker 2: woman with an oar, knocking her into the water, and
Speaker 2: then they all row away. We don't know what happens
Speaker 2: to them. We see that the townspeople in Hoods have
Speaker 2: taken Richard and they put him in a coffin and
Speaker 2: he's got this a strange necklace with like a vial
Speaker 2: around his neck, and.
Speaker 3: They which they reference, which we reference, like that's where
Speaker 3: this they say, like in the lost EP, there's something
Speaker 3: in there that we about the necklace of that's the
Speaker 3: origin of the plague allegedly is what's in the necklace?
Speaker 4: So crazy episode.
Speaker 3: And also I want to say, hey, mishlinklay as Richard,
Speaker 3: you killing it midnight mass. This man said no one
Speaker 3: will run evil town bat than me. I don't want
Speaker 3: to see anyone else do it. I got to be
Speaker 3: that run in the evil religious town.
Speaker 1: So the townspeople.
Speaker 2: Bury Richard alive in the graveyard and we smash cut
Speaker 2: to present day Wick in the cemetery, after discovering, you know,
Speaker 2: the Sarah's journal page, figuring out like, oh, this vial
Speaker 2: that around his neck is the key to it. I
Speaker 2: wonder if he's still wearing it in the where he's buried.
Speaker 2: So they dig him up and that's the end of
Speaker 2: the episode. Now we then go to episode seven, picks
Speaker 2: up right where it left off. Wick and Patricia tell Tom,
Speaker 2: hey listen. So Tom is waking up now after the trip,
Speaker 2: right he slept for twenty four full hours. Patricia calls
Speaker 2: him says, come to the Historical Society, which is Richard
Speaker 2: Warren's original house by the way, and he goes there.
Speaker 2: Richard Warren's coffin is on the floor. His hand is shaking,
Speaker 2: and they're like, listen, we dug them. Oh Max, what
Speaker 2: are you crazy? You fucking look up Richard Warren. She's
Speaker 2: like yeah, and he's upstairs. He's still alive.
Speaker 1: You can talk to him.
Speaker 3: Fucking insane, like a absolutely unbelieved. Again, this is giving
Speaker 3: like what we do in the Shadows, the level of
Speaker 3: like we're gonna fucking do shit.
Speaker 4: You're not expecting.
Speaker 2: I'm pulling off another great comp So Patricia and Wicker
Speaker 2: like you need to He will only talk to the
Speaker 2: Lord Protector of the island, which is I guess is
Speaker 2: the mayor.
Speaker 1: So that's you sure, So you have to go.
Speaker 2: We've been communicating through like written slips of paper. You
Speaker 2: need to go up there and find out what the
Speaker 2: fuck is happening. Here is the necklace with the vial.
Speaker 2: Don't touch it, don't open it, get him to open it.
Speaker 2: And so they're like okay, Tom, Tom's like okay. He
Speaker 2: goes up there. It's a very very scary. Richard is
Speaker 2: super super weird. He's you know, he's been underground for three.
Speaker 4: There's so many like funny moments here too.
Speaker 3: Why they even when it's really scary, they still get
Speaker 3: those little laughs out of you, like be stocked old
Speaker 3: when he speaks, and shit, and like like you know,
Speaker 3: Patricia coming in, coming in all the time, Like every
Speaker 3: time it gets you to that moment where your hackles
Speaker 3: are up and you're like, shit, I'm scared. They get
Speaker 3: you with that tension laugh or that tension. It's almost
Speaker 3: the comedic version of the cat jumping out of the
Speaker 3: you know, the chest when you think.
Speaker 4: There's gonna be a slasher reveal. It's so well balanced.
Speaker 2: So Richard tells Tom some very important things. He tells
Speaker 2: him one that when they stayed on the island, at
Speaker 2: first there was no food. No, they couldn't find fish,
Speaker 2: they couldn't find anything. They were starving to death. Then
Speaker 2: Richard found these black mushrooms and they sustained him. And
Speaker 2: through the mushrooms he was able to make some sort
Speaker 2: of deal with the devil, with some sort of we
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: He thinks it's God, but the island thinks it's that
Speaker 3: it's we feel right.
Speaker 4: He thinks it's some kind of.
Speaker 1: Present powerful deity.
Speaker 2: He makes a deal and and that let them all
Speaker 2: live on the island. But of course it is the
Speaker 2: source of the magical curse and the plague and the
Speaker 2: various other things that are going on. The vile which
Speaker 2: Richard opens contains his basically contract with the deity, and
Speaker 2: it's written in his blood, feces and seemen.
Speaker 4: So funny, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We also learn that.
Speaker 2: Richard Richard believes that if you take him out to
Speaker 2: the barrier where like where the where the magical curse
Speaker 2: ends out in the ocean, that he will immediately age
Speaker 2: up to you know, his Actually he'll just turn to
Speaker 2: bones and that should break the curse. So they go
Speaker 2: in Wick's boat. They put him. They're like, listen, it's
Speaker 2: we don't want anybody to see. You have to get
Speaker 2: back in the coffin. They put him back in the coffin.
Speaker 2: They put him on Wicks boat. Wick can Tom go
Speaker 2: out there? We learned from Wick man and this is
Speaker 2: so good like this, So the thing about what so Tom,
Speaker 2: It's important to remember. Of course Tom can go past
Speaker 2: the barrier because he was not born here. Wick cannot
Speaker 2: because he was born there. Wick tells Tom a story
Speaker 2: that he's been carrying with them. As a teen, he
Speaker 2: and his best friend Mark stole a boat. They went
Speaker 2: out to the to the border, out in the water,
Speaker 2: and like a giant squid or something.
Speaker 1: Kraken or something, yeah.
Speaker 2: Attack the boat and Wick had to like kick Mark
Speaker 2: off to save himself. And we discovered that Mark's girlfriend
Speaker 2: from that period was Jerry from the historical.
Speaker 1: And Wick has been.
Speaker 2: Carrying this guilt that that he kicked Mark off of
Speaker 2: him so that he could live, and Mark was carried
Speaker 2: off to the teeth. They have this argument Tom and
Speaker 2: and Wick about letting Richard out of the coffin because
Speaker 2: Richard is sounding desperate in there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: When Tom comes close to the.
Speaker 2: Coffin, he's like, oh, thank god, you let me please,
Speaker 2: and and you know, so Tom goes to talk to
Speaker 2: Wick about it, and Wick's like, do not let him out,
Speaker 2: Like you don't understand. If you don't let understand what
Speaker 2: a person will do when they're about to die. They
Speaker 2: become desperate, they become unpredictable. Just leave him in there. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's my boat.
Speaker 4: Leave me there.
Speaker 1: And then Tom's like and then Tom's like, well I
Speaker 1: already let him out.
Speaker 3: Tom's like, sorry, we needed this really important scene that
Speaker 3: I agree with, where you know, we talk about the
Speaker 3: Jaws comparisons a lot, but what I think is so
Speaker 3: great about this show is it takes the influences from
Speaker 3: where you're not always expecting. So what we essentially get
Speaker 3: here is like Bay's version of that really weird sequence
Speaker 3: where that all singing seashanty's for twenty minutes on Jaws,
Speaker 3: like this is it's then Tom having this like psychological
Speaker 3: conversation on the boat.
Speaker 4: It's like so weird and fantastical. It's it don't let
Speaker 4: him out.
Speaker 1: It's that meets.
Speaker 2: The fog somehow, because there's a very fun love that
Speaker 2: there's this very funny laugh moment where it's like they've
Speaker 2: just gone through this whole thing where you think Tom
Speaker 2: is trying to convince Wick to let to allow Tom
Speaker 2: to open the coffin and let Richard run around, and
Speaker 2: then he's like, then there's the reveal, like I already
Speaker 2: let him out. So they go up and they look
Speaker 2: and Richard is just sitting under the very bright light
Speaker 2: like the little kitchen table there, looking looking weird, ghost
Speaker 2: from the fog, looking literally like he walked out of
Speaker 2: that movie.
Speaker 4: That's such a great pul.
Speaker 1: Looking very weird.
Speaker 2: So they feed him Vienna sausages, and things take a
Speaker 2: turn and Tom realizes that, like, actually, I think Wick
Speaker 2: was right, Richard is dangerous. They're drawing closer and closer
Speaker 2: to the barrier, and as they get closer, the radio
Speaker 2: will emit strange voices and sounds. So the people like
Speaker 2: trying to like turn people back from it. Richard attacks Tom,
Speaker 2: knocks him silly, is now attacking Wick. Eventually they managed
Speaker 2: to like together. Tom and Wick like wrestle Richard back
Speaker 2: into his coffin, but he's like trying to get out.
Speaker 2: He's like pushing up against the hood of the coffin
Speaker 2: as the boat is drawn closer to the barrier. In
Speaker 2: an inversion of the story that Wick told Tom, Tom
Speaker 2: kicks Wick overboard to make sure that he doesn't cross
Speaker 2: the barrier and die.
Speaker 3: Very loving moment at very moment, and gives emotional nice
Speaker 3: emotional payback.
Speaker 2: Gives him a life preserver, kicks him over and holds
Speaker 2: while holding the lid of.
Speaker 1: The coffin down.
Speaker 2: He looks in the coffin as they cross the barrier
Speaker 2: and it's indeed, it's just bones in there.
Speaker 1: Richard is dead Wick.
Speaker 2: You think for a moment that he's dead, but he's fine.
Speaker 2: He gets back on board and they they're like together,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh man, you really did it. Like there
Speaker 2: Tom has this moment where he's like I did a
Speaker 2: good job, didn't I? And Wick's like yeah, you did
Speaker 2: a good yeah, And I'm like, wait a second. You
Speaker 2: let him out of the coffin, like it could have
Speaker 2: been very easy.
Speaker 4: And sorry, this is very Donald Trump Lodget.
Speaker 3: It's like, you fuck it up and then you fix it,
Speaker 3: and then you're like, hey, I did a great job.
Speaker 4: It just don't fuck it up first time. Tom. Don't
Speaker 4: let him out.
Speaker 2: I grumba so that it is the curse over question mark.
Speaker 2: I mean, certainly this part of it works, so it's
Speaker 2: very possible that the curse might be over.
Speaker 1: They go back to town.
Speaker 2: Back in town, while this has been going on, the
Speaker 2: girl that Evan has been dating, Kelly, is like, your
Speaker 2: dad's been lying to you. He's being secretive. Let's go
Speaker 2: through all this stuff. They go through all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and this is where Evan realizes that his mom didn't
Speaker 2: die in childbirth, because there are pictures that he of
Speaker 2: his mom and him as a.
Speaker 4: Baby ay yea yai.
Speaker 1: So what does this mean?
Speaker 2: And this is very very troubling, right the closing shot
Speaker 2: at the inn, as the innkeeper Curt is kind of
Speaker 2: closing up, the camera settles on this canvas of like
Speaker 2: you know, stormy seas and a boat that's been set adrift,
Speaker 2: and there's this little boy drowning and the little.
Speaker 1: Boy is it Evan as a baby?
Speaker 4: Question mark?
Speaker 2: Question mark? And what I think is happening is the
Speaker 2: curse now passed on to Mayor Tom.
Speaker 3: That's what I worry about because also I think that
Speaker 3: from the implication here is what we're going to learn
Speaker 3: is that Evan's mom tried to leave the island with
Speaker 3: Evan and died.
Speaker 2: Because let's take a quick break and come back. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about this show and what we think is going
Speaker 2: to happen as we head towards the backstretch of what
Speaker 2: has been an excellent, wow, first season of a television.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. You mentioned up top.
Speaker 2: So I was doing some research on the show and
Speaker 2: the thing that I found out is this is a
Speaker 2: twenty year old script The Crazy tell Us Katie dippled
Speaker 2: when she was interviewing for Parks and rec I think
Speaker 2: season two or season three handed it in as like
Speaker 2: her sample to show that she could write to Mike Sure,
Speaker 2: and this is how she got the job. So this
Speaker 2: is like a show that has kind of been just
Speaker 2: dating for that long, which is fantastic. She and Dippled
Speaker 2: has said that the early versions was like the balance
Speaker 2: of comedy and horror. It was a little too comedy,
Speaker 2: so she had to kind of like, you know, rebalance it,
Speaker 2: and that has absolutely worked. The influences Dippled calls on
Speaker 2: are like Spielberg's Jaws, which of course you see it,
Speaker 2: John Carpenter, you know, various other kinds, even in your childhood.
Speaker 3: Tie West to do the prequel episode, which is very
Speaker 3: the witch coded. That shows an understanding of like somebody
Speaker 3: who can bring a period piece to life like Pearl,
Speaker 3: somebody who can do a complicated woman's story.
Speaker 4: It's she knows.
Speaker 3: And I think, Jason, how do you feel, I mean,
Speaker 3: as a writer, as you know, I have a baby script.
Speaker 4: I love, that's my passion project.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you have the same, Like, how do you
Speaker 3: think oftentimes when you make your first project, you don't
Speaker 3: get to make it the way that you want to
Speaker 3: make it. So it must feel pretty incredible for Katie
Speaker 3: for this passion project to get to be made in
Speaker 3: this way with such incredible cost, such a long gestation period.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting because she's obviously, like Katie's
Speaker 2: got an incredible resume, Like she wrote The Heat, she
Speaker 2: wrote on Parks and Wrecks. As we said, I forget
Speaker 2: what some of her, but she's done like a lot
Speaker 2: of She's got a lot of credits.
Speaker 1: She's got a lot of credits.
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, as a as a
Speaker 2: writer starting out to kind of like call on your
Speaker 2: arch enemy and free Bag, I think Fleabag kind of
Speaker 2: twisted the perception of like TV writing and like, oh,
Speaker 2: you've got to write from you got to write what
Speaker 2: you know. It's got to be personal. It's got to
Speaker 2: be personal to you. You're going to get to make
Speaker 2: it and then you're gonna get to make it the
Speaker 2: way you want. That's never haw Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: the fact that like, despite those comments, it takes a
Speaker 2: long time to You've got to have other ideas, you've
Speaker 2: got to have other scripts, and maybe you get to
Speaker 2: make a passion project and who knows if this really
Speaker 2: is a passion project if this word, yeah, just what
Speaker 2: they bought, you know. Anyway, So let's talk about what
Speaker 2: we think is. I have no idea where this show
Speaker 2: is going to go, but I think that we're going
Speaker 2: to discover, as we talked about at the end of
Speaker 2: the recap section, that the curse follows blood, so to speak,
Speaker 2: and now it is mayor Tom who whose life mirrored
Speaker 2: Richard Warrens in that his wife tried to flee, perhaps
Speaker 2: like with the child, and it is we're going to
Speaker 2: discover that it's him that is now the nexus of
Speaker 2: the curse, and he's going to have to directly try
Speaker 2: and break this curse somehow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a really good call.
Speaker 3: I also think they could get quite a lot of
Speaker 3: humor out of him trying to live with the cast
Speaker 3: a season too, like doing the balance that he was
Speaker 3: doing at the beginning, but with the knowledge of the curse.
Speaker 3: I also, I mean, this would be I think you
Speaker 3: can only do it once, and they did it in
Speaker 3: the good place.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if this is.
Speaker 3: Where they would go, But after this episode, I did
Speaker 3: have that moment of like, is the last three episodes
Speaker 3: of this going to be establishing what the show really is,
Speaker 3: which is a show truck that used to be an
Speaker 3: island that used to be cursed. What is the slice
Speaker 3: of life like to live on a precursed island? And
Speaker 3: this was the setup that could be pretty interesting but
Speaker 3: also a huge swing away from what has made the
Speaker 3: show so beloved, which is the horror comedy of it all.
Speaker 3: So I'm interested to see, but this is the kind
Speaker 3: of show where I've learned not to try and not
Speaker 3: even though it's always fun to predict, it is truly
Speaker 3: a show that has stumped me at every point. Where
Speaker 3: I thought it was going is not where it went.
Speaker 3: Are there any horror tropes you haven't seen them touch
Speaker 3: on that you think could be really fun? Looking at
Speaker 3: the influences they.
Speaker 2: Gosh like it kind of feels like they've touched on
Speaker 2: a little of everything other than like Found Forge, which
Speaker 2: I think they could do it at some point.
Speaker 4: Episode could be pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know one I thought for a
Speaker 2: moment there in the middle of the season, I was
Speaker 2: wondering if this was like an in the Mouth of
Speaker 2: Madness type thing of that movie where these are all
Speaker 2: characters in like a Stephen Kings, New England based horror
Speaker 2: writer's story, and that the characters don't understand that they're
Speaker 2: in this like living fictional universe and that and that's
Speaker 2: where all the stuff comes from. They can't leave the
Speaker 2: island because their characters in it.
Speaker 1: Never gonna be the island.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, Jason, that's actually pretty incredible, because
Speaker 3: if you think I don't.
Speaker 1: Think it's I will say I don't.
Speaker 4: You don't think it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that, But there was a moment
Speaker 1: where I did think it was that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, incredible idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any characters you'd love to see I would. I
Speaker 3: would really love to see some. I thought that Tom
Speaker 3: and Evans stuff while he was tripping. They got to
Speaker 3: this kind of raw honesty between the child and the
Speaker 3: adult that we don't often get, like when he was like,
Speaker 3: you're a shitty mare, but it's not because of me,
Speaker 3: it's just because you're fucking shit, and and that Tom
Speaker 3: kind of had that you're gonna regret saying that to
Speaker 3: me moment. I would love to see them do a
Speaker 3: little bit more about those two. Evan confronting what really
Speaker 3: happened to his mom. Is there a chance his mom's
Speaker 3: still alive? Question Mark That's what I was interesting.
Speaker 2: So I I do wonder if she's in like the
Speaker 2: hospital or like the mental the mental interesting wing of
Speaker 2: the hospital, like sharing shy, very like one flow over
Speaker 2: the Cuckoo's Nest influences Potentially I'm.
Speaker 3: Interested in the ocean there. I'm interested in the ocean
Speaker 3: of it all. We know there's krakens, we know there's
Speaker 3: a sea hag.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: It feels like it would be too high concept to
Speaker 3: do too much on under the water stuff, but I
Speaker 3: do wonder if there's maybe a limbo space where the
Speaker 3: magic if you get pulled down when you try to
Speaker 3: cross the barrier, you end up somewhere else rather than
Speaker 3: immediately dying. Because I also felt like the way they
Speaker 3: were setting up the Wick situation, it felt like there
Speaker 3: was potential for his friend to appear as some kind
Speaker 3: of haunting or ghost or so I'm interested to know
Speaker 3: if they do something like that. But what I love
Speaker 3: is the show does have an in built lawiness that
Speaker 3: people love, which is kind of when you were talking
Speaker 3: about pacing. Something I wanted to bring up is like
Speaker 3: how incredibly satisfying it is for a show in its
Speaker 3: first five episodes to deeply seed Law and History and
Speaker 3: get a fandom that's really excited and already know to
Speaker 3: do a history episode on episode six, rather than waiting
Speaker 3: for season two when you've realized there's law Hounds. So
Speaker 3: just the way they sort of understood, almost like Jessica
Speaker 3: Gow did with Shee Hulk, how the audience would interact
Speaker 3: before they did it is very interesting and I think
Speaker 3: that that's why episode six hit so hard, because there
Speaker 3: were so many fan theories, so many Reddit threads, so
Speaker 3: many conversations and discords about the law the curse, and
Speaker 3: that's I think in the same way that we have
Speaker 3: dealt with in the past with mystery box shows. I
Speaker 3: do think that the reveal of is It the Devil,
Speaker 3: is It God? Is?
Speaker 4: Does It go to Tom?
Speaker 3: It's gonna be so hard to land it because everything
Speaker 3: else has been so perfect.
Speaker 4: But I think they've got the juice, like I think
Speaker 4: they're gonna be able to do it.
Speaker 2: I completely agree. I can't wait to see where this
Speaker 2: goes and I can't wait to I I it'll be definitely,
Speaker 2: it will be so fun to wrap up this show.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I want to know because.
Speaker 2: I I do feel like to your point about the
Speaker 2: pacing like the fact that one they tell it, they
Speaker 2: let you know very early, like the magic is real.
Speaker 2: Two they let you they don't stretch it out in
Speaker 2: which we're trying to break the curse like four.
Speaker 1: Season, five seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe it's happened or has it, and so
Speaker 2: I'm I'm really excited about it. Another thing that I
Speaker 2: love about this show is like, as a fan of
Speaker 2: improv comedy, there's this you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: local improv folks.
Speaker 4: Oh shouting, shout them out.
Speaker 2: Neil Casey, who plays Kurt the Innkeeper, is also a
Speaker 2: writer on the show. You know, Ben Rogers of Hollywood
Speaker 2: Handbook podcast is like the radio DJ. There's like a
Speaker 2: lot of these little pulls. Neil Casey, of course is
Speaker 2: one of the writers. Colton Dunn is another improviser and
Speaker 2: writer on the show. So it's just like wonderful in
Speaker 2: that way. It really feels like lived in and like
Speaker 2: a community in a very interesting way.
Speaker 3: That makes sense that you know, not like notice that,
Speaker 3: because I have felt like there's something this show gets
Speaker 3: about writing people and writing comedy and feeling organic but
Speaker 3: surreal and like real conversation you could have with your
Speaker 3: friends that other shows don't and that as an improv guy,
Speaker 3: that makes a lot of sense that they're kind of
Speaker 3: pulling from that space with Katie's background.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what show. Guys, watch it. If you
Speaker 4: haven't watched that, you listen to this, go back and.
Speaker 3: Watch it and listen to it again, Like, come on,
Speaker 3: it's so good, it's it's it's gonna be a wonderful
Speaker 3: ride in the conversation.
Speaker 4: Of best TV shows of the year, no.
Speaker 2: Question forbus this and uh, you know, we'll figure it
Speaker 2: out task exactly, this will be. This will be up
Speaker 2: there on the next episode of Extra Vision. We're diving
Speaker 2: into Masters of the Universe. That's it for this episode
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