WEBVTT - Widow’s Bay Is Looking Like the Best Show of the Year 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:00.600 Warrant. 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:05.800 Today's episode contain spoilers for Widow's Bay up to episode seven, 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.520 which is all the episodes that are out currently as 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:27.880 we're recording. Hello, my name is Jason Getsubsient and I'm 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.080 Rosie Night and welcome back to the xtra vision of 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.440 the podcast where we divedpt your favorite shows, movies, comics, 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.240 of pop culture, comedy, You fire our podcast where we're 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.960 bringing you three episodes a week plus news. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.519 In today's episode, it's the show that's taking the Internet 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:42.120 by storm. 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:43.200 It's Widows Bay. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.640 We are loving it. You are loving it. It's spooky, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.400 it's hilarious. It seems like an overnight success, but as 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.199 Jason will tell us, it's actually a show that has 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.760 been in the works for a very long time, and 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.920 we will be recapping episodes one to seven before we 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.880 jump into a discussion about why this show is working 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.040 so well for us and what makes us love. 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:02.080 Okay. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.560 Widows Bay Apple TV Plus premiered April twenty ninth. The 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.560 first two episodes came out April twenty ninth. Uh drop 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:16.000 every Wednesday. After the finale will be June seventeenth, Coming 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.760 up here soon. Episode six and seven. Very interestingly dropped 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.560 together on May twenty seventh. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:24.800 I think that was clearly. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.080 A bid to make sure that the momentum stays up. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.080 Those are clearly two paired episodes. But honestly, I think 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.040 that was I think they were airing on the side 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.200 of caution with that, and by the time this show 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.240 reached episode four or five, it had already reached a 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.400 critical mass of people talking about it. I don't think 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.480 they needed to do that, but I'm glad they did that. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.320 But I will say, you know what, I think they 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.280 go out of it that they probably won't expecting people 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.840 did like lose them mind and just thought going, oh. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.480 My god, surprise, drop two episodes. And that is a 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.160 great feeling for the people making the show, I think. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.800 So it gets that kind of hype boost. Even though 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.160 I agree with you, I think at this point everyone 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.359 likes the show enough that you could have trusted them 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.520 to be separate. But hey, we got to watch two 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.600 in a row, and now we get to talk about them. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.880 The show is created by Katie Dipple, longtime TV writer 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:26.120 and improv comic in Los Angeles. Five of the episodes 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.440 of the first season run are directed by Hiro Mariah 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.400 and who is also an EP on the show. 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.760 Of course his work on Atlanta's legend. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.560 It makes a lot of sense when you see the 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:43.160 tone of this show. Music by David Fleming. It's just 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:48.920 a wonderful show. Okay, let's dive into three caps. We 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.919 open on Widow's Bay. It's an island forty miles off 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.000 of New England. Think Martha's Vineyard, but a lot less 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:01.320 well known. There's no Wi Fi, there's no sell. The 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:06.160 rest of the world has basically like ignores it. The 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.680 mayor is Tom Loftus, played wonderfully by Matthew Reese. Think 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.680 the mayor from Jaws, but like Nice, I wants the 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:15.200 man from. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.320 Joe's But the island is the shock. It's like the 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:18.919 island is his albatross. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.280 It's so funny, and he wants to turn the island 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:27.799 into a destination like Martha's Vineyard. And good news, there 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.959 is a New York Times travel writer who's there on 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.280 the island. He's coming to like write a piece about it. 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.800 It's a perfect device to get us to like understand 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.880 the island as the audience. And of course, a good 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.280 review from thew York Times can turn the entire economy 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.920 of the island around. So Tom spends the hour, you know, 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.440 just kind of like managing the weirdness, making sure the 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.800 restaurant's going to be open, making sure the locals are 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.880 who are kind of cantankerous and not necessarily like just 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:04.960 trustful of outsiders, but just kind of very superstitious, sure 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.600 about the island's lore, so to speak. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:14.200 So they're not necessarily welcoming, they're not super welcoming, and 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.320 they think that Tom has kind of gone soft or 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.480 just is being. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.400 Naive about the truth of the island. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.040 At at a certain point, fog rolls in, the power 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:30.680 cuts out. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:35.040 Tom gets rattled, and you know. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.840 It's still refusing to admit that there's anything wrong with 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.040 the island, but of course we kind of know that 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:41.600 there is. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.080 We also get that great moment where it's like he 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.120 gets so rattled that the guy thinks he's doing like 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.880 a scam. Yeah, Like he's like he's like he's like, oh, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.920 you're doing a bit, like you don't need the gimmick. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.040 The island's kind of cool, and it's like no, no, no, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.120 this is a man who doesn't even at this point, 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.920 we don't know if he knows himself, like he's he's yeah, 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.919 he's ale, but he is like trying so hard to 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.760 pretend that everything is fine on the island. But if 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.039 you've ever watched a horror movie, if you've ever felt 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.640 a goose bump when you've gone into a weird building, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.640 you know, nothing on this island is fine. And there 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.200 are brilliant little details built in every episode. There's one 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.840 terrifying blink can you miss it moment, so frickin good. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.240 One of the things the reporter asks Tom about is like, hey, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.520 I hear that there's a legend that if you're born 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.400 on the island you can never leave. And Tom's just like, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.640 I don't know about that. Let's go to an episode 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:40.080 two church bells ringing at night. There's no one at 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.679 the church. Why are the church bells ringing? 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.120 But good news? 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.840 The Times review comes out and it's great. Tom is 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:52.839 absolutely thrilled. He makes his assistant, his executive assistant, Patricia, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:57.159 who is maybe my favorite character on TV. He currently 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:03.080 makes read it to him twice. You know, there's tourists 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.279 that are coming this weekend. It's all coming together. Then 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:16.080 sirens sound. Wick, who is this cantankerous fisherman local in 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.159 his you know, late. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:23.359 Fifties maybe early sixties. Is he's very against this. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:28.400 Time by Stephen, wonderfully played by Stephen, and he is 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:33.320 very against this influx of newcomers, this this attempt to 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.720 make a connection with the mainland. He says, this is 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:40.039 all going to lead to tragedy and destruction and danger. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.560 He is causing a scene at the breakwater in which 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.600 is like the only hotel like in the area. He 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.760 is saying, you know, like it's not safe to put 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.640 tourists here, you know this. Tom is like, you're a redneck, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:55.159 You're a hicic. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:56.359 What are you talking about? 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:02.440 Like really like elak where he flips out and everyone 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.360 in town is like, okay, wait a minute. Because we 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.919 learn Tom was not born on the island. That's the 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.200 one thing. So we don't know his son, however, was, 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.520 which is part yes as far as we know. So 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.120 it's really interesting to see him flip out in this 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.360 moment and kind of lose a lot of the goodwill 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.560 he'd been building. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.400 With some of the locals the town. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.520 The townspeople like gasp when he calls Wick a hic 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.680 and Tom is like, well, listen, I'm gonna put my 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.960 money where my mouth is, and I will stay in 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:36.200 the breakwater in myself tonight, which is a hotel that's 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.360 you know, there's like a restaurant there, and a lot 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.640 of the locals heat at the restaurant, but nobody stays 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:45.440 at the inn. It's it's open and the owner is. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.720 You know, there and around, but nobody like, actually. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:49.760 Nobody will say that. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.559 And this is where you start to get a hint 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.560 of what Widow's Bay's true secret is, which is they 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:57.760 can build in a. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.120 Different horror trope every single episode. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.000 In a way that makes it feel like Widow's Bay 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.920 is essentially almost like the hell mouth of every horror 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.240 trope that you can imagine. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:11.320 It's really cool. And yeah, the in Tom don't stay that, Babe, 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.760 Me and Joel are like screaming at the TV, like, 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:15.440 do not stay that? Come on? 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.480 Well, the townsfolk give Tom basically a list of things 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.520 he needs to accomplish when he stays there. So he's 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.880 got to stay the night, He has to go down 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.920 like into the crawl space for part of that, yeah, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.080 et cetera. So he has to stay in the Captain Suite, 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.520 which is named for a captain who murder's entire family. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:37.480 He has to say ugly hortense. He had you. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.040 Know, there's apparently a killer clown. He has to record 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.719 himself on camera doing all of this stuff. He has 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.480 to get locked in a closet and he draws the 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:47.839 line at going down into the. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:48.800 Cross space in the basement. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.439 Yeah, but he does do it. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.959 He does. So he goes to the hotel. He stays 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:56.280 the night. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.440 He hears the victims of a nineteen sixty to New 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.280 Year's Eve disaster, like talking and screaming in the events. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.000 A welcome tape plays like it's possessed, and he's getting 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.880 very very creeped out. But he is put at ease 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.680 by another guest, William, who is there staying like just 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.440 down the hall, and they bond together, you know, about 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.040 like how weird it is. Tom talks about like all 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:21.760 the weird board games that are in his. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.080 Room, and they go down. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.000 They go down to the lobby and play some board 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.640 games and morning comes and Tom's like, oh, who I 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:30.000 made it? 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:30.920 I feel great. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:38.680 However, he discovers, first of all, he has a dream 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.599 that he is in the crawl space to the hotel. 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:43.360 And is it a dream? 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.920 Is happy? 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.319 Falls asleep he falls asleep playing the board games and 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.840 is awakened, goes down to the basement, it goes into 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.240 the crawl space where he's hearing stuff. A scary clown 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:58.200 chases him in there. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:59.480 He wakes up, He. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:03.920 Wakes up the lobby, and he learns, much to his horror, 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.600 that William there is no other guest. William is very 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.000 likely a ghost in the spirit of a serial killer 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.840 who stayed there once. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:15.760 And that's why you had a dream about him, just 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.480 as an evil clown that's right following you. And I 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.440 have to say again that moment when he's in the 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.120 crawl space and we hear the steps go across, and 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.079 he goes, William, is that you, And he goes, yeah, yeah, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:27.199 I'm coming in, and he goes, no. 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:28.360 Don't come in, don't come in. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.800 You get that, don't come in. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.360 And then you see him crawl in as this terrifying clown. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.280 Is just that balance of horror and comedy. I have 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.280 not seen it this effective for so. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.760 So good the piecing. They do a really good job 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:47.920 of like giving you some horror and then punctuating it 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.439 with comedy, and then you'll give you a stretch of 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:52.079 this kind. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.199 Of strange twin Peaksian. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.160 Meets Parks and wreck kind of town charming, charming, charming, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:03.480 mird vibes, and then they'll dive back into the strangest 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.680 in the heart, but always bringing you back at just 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:06.240 the right moment. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:06.760 It's really good. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:11.319 Episode three, we go to the Historical Society and we 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.280 learn a little bit about the island, which was founded 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:19.640 by Richard Warren, like the governor, the original governor back 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:25.200 in the early sixteenth eighteenth century, early eighteenth century, and 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:30.520 is credited as the very first mayor of Widow's Bay. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:35.800 So tourists are beginning to kind of arrive. Tom does 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.040 his thing, you know, locals are still trying to warn 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.000 him about everything that's going on. Tom is pressing on 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:49.480 despite this. He picks up a tourist, Marissa, who is 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.600 in town for a bachelorette party and is staying at 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.120 the inn, and she's asking like various questions. There seems 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:01.360 to be some flirtation going on. Morgan warns him not 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.800 to do the inaugural swim, which is a kind of 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:05.839 ritual event. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.440 And it's this kind of tradition that the Metage always 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.720 do this swim and you swim out far to a 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.120 boat boy or booie and you come back, and but 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.800 he's obviously wicks like it's dangerous and they're really playing 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.160 on the Jaws elements here. But they bring in just 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:26.040 such a outrageous twist and again a completely different horror 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.920 kind of trope brought to life in a way we've 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.680 never seen before. It's so silly and it's so good, 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.640 and it still has the scariness they. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:34.720 Still want to bring it. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.000 Rosemary, who's this older woman who works in Tom's office, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:43.440 warns Tom that the woman that he picked up is 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.000 actually a sea hag and this kind of legendary monster 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:49.400 from the deep. 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:55.200 And the Seahagg's whole method is when you see one, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.839 she'll scratch you, and then she's locked into your scent. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.440 And when she scratches you, she waits until like the 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.600 wound will like slow you and paralyze you over time, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.120 and then when you're paralyzed, she will come and sit 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.920 on your face and strangle you that way till you die. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:14.880 And Tom is like, give me a break. She would. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.640 The woman that Tom picked up is a very normal 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:18.560 looking woman. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:26.319 Very nice, very nice, very age appropriate, attract just bumming, funny, 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.240 good humor about the cuss and Tom is a widower, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.079 and then you're feeling like. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.240 Get at it. This feels like it could be okay. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:39.240 Well, the woman shows up at Tom's house after they 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.880 have there was some weird they had dinner, they had 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.120 like a meal together, and there was some weirdness about 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.120 it where maybe she's pressing a little too hard about 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.080 like let's meet up later. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.640 And Tom not. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.280 Exactly freaked out by the Seahag story, but like in 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:52.880 the back of his mind it's like, no, no, no, I 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:53.600 think that's you know. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.520 He's also like he did just prove that the Captain's 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:57.720 bay was like haunted. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.839 You know, he's running that maybe you do have to 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:01.560 This is a bit more serious, lid. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.439 She shows up at his house, outside his door at night, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:11.000 and it's very freaky. She's she's acting through the and 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:12.920 this is like, oh my god, this is like the 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.520 Strangers to your point. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:18.199 About my hor trope. This is a great it's so fun. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.760 This kind of Yeah, she's. 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.600 Outside the door and she's acting very normal about it. 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.280 She's like, oh, but like I felt like there was 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.960 a vibe and you know, you seemed like and you know, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.560 I need to ask you, I still need to ask 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.480 you some questions about things. And he's now he's beginning 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.520 to get very, very freaked out. He does not let 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.600 her in, but but the scratch is beginning. He looks 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.280 at the scratch on his arm. There is indeed a 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.920 scratch on his arm, and he's and and it won't 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.320 heal and he's and it's like slowing him. 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.000 He's getting concerned. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.960 He there is an encounter on the beach during the 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.640 swim that happens, and when it comes to his house 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:02.520 later that night, somehow the sea hag gets into his 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.760 home and does sit on his face and it's slowly 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.920 strangling him. But that is when Wick comes and saves 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:14.680 his life and shoots the sea hag boom. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.920 And I would say Episode three is our let's let's 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.200 talk about this moment, Jason, because this is really our 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.480 confirmation this shit is real. There's no rig rug poll 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.880 like two people experience this thing. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.359 Tom is not crazy. We already knew from what we've seen. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.840 But they could still play on it. I think that's 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.360 part of Widow's bab why it works so well, because 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.640 they're not saying, like, is this secretly about his grief? 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.160 Is is it not real? 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.560 They just said boom, this seahag just got shot with 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.720 a fucking dark gun and somebody else is involved. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:48.400 This is a supernatural show. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.600 Now, I love that about this show. We've seen so 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.320 many shows, mystery bock shows in particular, where you're like, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:56.440 is it happening? 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.440 What is happening? How much is real? Yellow jackets, Right, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:02.920 this show. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:08.000 Does not to your point. By episode three, it's real. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.440 There's three magical supernatural stuff going on in the island. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.680 Wow, how it works, why it works, what the source 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.080 of it is. Don't worry about that. It's real, and that. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.000 Part of it is is what makes the comedy and 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.200 all the other things work. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:24.680 So well. 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:43.080 Agree, Let's go to episode four, which is where I 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.480 think we all agree the show goes to another level. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.480 The show was already great by the first three episode was. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:49.320 A really good show. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.080 But this makes it a great show. So I think 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:54.800 award contention show is that. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:55.480 I agree with you. 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.080 From four, five sixty seven it goes to another level 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.880 to I think I mean, looking at the landscape right now, 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.160 I think I could say easily best show on television 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:05.679 right now. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:06.159 Right now. 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.920 Yes, the quality, the consistency of the writing. As you 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.160 will see in this episode. The ability to shift focus 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.280 and completely change the tone of the show, in my opinion, 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.119 makes it. It proves how this could go on for 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.040 seven eight seasons like a Parks and rec Not every 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:27.560 episode can be about Leslie. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.480 Nope, right, Tom is our Leslie? Nope. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.120 In just the fourth episode, they switched to Patricia, and 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.560 they managed to bring an episode that amps up the 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.679 horror and kind of disconnected nature of the show to 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:46.080 such a shocking degree. At the end, I was legitimately 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.080 felt like I had been gotten by a twist, even 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.280 though the whole time I knew what was going on. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.600 It's such a feat of TV. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:58.960 Making, and it also just reasserts this kind of unsettling 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.639 curse is real and it's not just impacting Tom. 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.600 Yeah, this is this is the This is the the 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.440 Wickerman episode exactly. 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.200 It's the episode and it's. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:14.480 Done so well. This is the Patricia Bottle episode. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.480 She uh we learned that she runs the little like 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:24.160 library van for the local government, and she's also kind 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.919 of like socially struggling on the island. There's like a 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.600 group of women who she has a history with and 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.080 for reasons that are revealed over the course of the episode. 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.480 They just don't like never are going to accept her. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.040 They don't like her, and you can feel it, and 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:43.479 Patricia is desperately wanting that acceptance from both them and 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.359 from the island and the society on the island at large. 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:53.120 So she's feeling very sad, and she finds at night, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.520 she finds that a book that had been turned in 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.520 to the bookball bill Van which I forget, I'm forgetting. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:04.120 Oh it's called Your Turn, It's your and it's a 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.400 self help book about like how to become the life 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.840 of the party. It's basically this world's version of like 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.680 how to win friends in influence people exactly. 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.720 Mixed with kind of the secret or whatever. Like it's 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:20.040 and it's very obvious, very quickly. And this is what 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.480 I love about the show. Depending on your experience of 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.919 the real world how You and You a Horror tropes, 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.520 the way that you experience this episode and the show 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.080 is different. My mom went through a phase of being 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.600 obsessed with self help books. So the moment a self 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.520 help book flew off the shelf and hit the floor, 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.600 I thought, this is bad. But I love that the 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.960 show plays it that you don't. It depends on your 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.800 own relationship to those things. But the book starts to 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.560 advise her on how to throw the perfect party. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:56.199 So Patricia studies this book and she puts together a 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:02.640 plan to kind of hijack an ongoing local town government 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.600 gathering and make it her own party. She invites the 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.439 entire town, like everybody on her email list, and she 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.840 invites all the mean girls. They're very stand office about 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.720 it and don't seem like they want to go or 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.959 maybe in fact, would love to see it fail. They 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:23.800 let Protissa know that another townsperson is having a similar 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.159 like having their own party the same night at the 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:32.040 Elks Lodge. Patricia goes so far as to, oh, like 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:37.800 use local zoning laws, the fact that thirty that more 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:42.159 than ten people, not more than thirty non members of 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.320 the Elks Lodge in the Elks Lodge at any given 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:49.239 time to cancel this other party. She makes one of 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:54.080 the people who work in the office be the DJ 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.639 and learn like eight hundred different songs and the party 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.639 she's getting it together, she's making the She's like really 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.520 really studied this book. The thing I love about this 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.440 book is like there's all these like worksheet person. Oh yeah, 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.560 and like, so there's this She opens the first worksheet 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.800 and it's like, what do you like about yourself? It's 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.480 two lines and then and then under that is what 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.159 don't you like about yourself? And it's like fifteen lines 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:20.600 that you have to feel it's so good. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.480 So it's very much like positioning her as this victim, 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:25.720 as this person people don't like. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.399 Also, while she's doing all of this, and this is 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.200 the thing about this show that I never saw coming. 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:32.320 This is the hero. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.480 Mindset in my opinion. The whole time, she's wearing this 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.000 little tiara like. 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:38.440 She's the queen. 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:42.000 Wait, she's setting it up right, She's when she's making 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.440 the punch and everything, she's still wearing it, and it's 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.600 like a weird vibe and everyone's acting like. 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.800 It's weird, but it feels weird because she's not the queen. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:51.880 It's the council party. 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.040 And these are just the little twists that start to 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:58.560 feel strange that you're setting up that something is going 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.720 wrong and people are reacting are in a weird way, 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.639 but we don't really know why other than she's just 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:03.760 being awkward about it. 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.359 Feels like I will say that I think that they. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.280 It's only one person that really makes a comment about 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.640 like the about It's only Rosemary who's like, I don't 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.400 think you should wear that head piece, but which looks 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.760 like a tiara at in the moment anyway, So she's 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.120 got everybody here. She has it out with the mean 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.520 girls at the party, and we learned that the reason 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:33.359 they don't like her is Patricia survived a serial killer 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.120 attack maybe the guy who stayed at the hotel right 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:43.040 that killed a lot of the mean girl group's other friends, yes, 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.960 and that Patricia survived by hiding under her bed, and 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.720 everybody thinks that she's lying about it, except she was 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.200 never attacked and she's just trying to get like attention 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.600 by being part of the serial killer attack that happened. 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.439 And she says it's true, and I believe her, but 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.200 I'm very interested because I feel like, at this point 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:04.639 in the show, a lot hinges on her experience of 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:05.200 that night. 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:10.199 So the party's going great. It's you know, she's like 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.680 the life of the party. She's been working on this punch. 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:17.120 She brings the punch out, everybody drinks the punch. Everybody's dancing, dancing, dancing, 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.280 there's these wonderful creepy moments where they do this like 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:25.000 swirling shot through the crowd is like the camera circles 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.080 through the crowd of Patricia. She's dancing, and as it 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:32.480 as different, like people in the crowd kind of block 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.920 out the camera for a moment. You get this one 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.600 snippet of everybody staring at her with this like. 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:38.840 It's all your care. 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:43.280 Yeah you can see that, Yeah, nightmare kind of thousand 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.120 yards there in the mirror. They're all standing with their 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.640 mouths open and you're, oh my god, what the fuck? 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.560 And if you blink you'll miss it. Get back to 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:52.080 the party. Everything seems fine. 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.159 My read at that point was like okay, so like 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.320 you know, that kind of hypnotized into enjoying the party. 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.480 But they do think that having a good time. It's 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.280 really interesting kind of where they choose to go with it. 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.000 So she has delivered the punch. 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.520 She then makes a speech that is basically like you know, 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.720 thank you for all coming, and you know. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.400 It's a very normal speech. 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.480 She goes back into the kitchen to like put the 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:26.359 punch away, and Catherine is still there and she's like, 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.320 I don't no, excuse me, Rosemary's still there. 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.199 In the corner and she's like, you know what, I 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:36.000 didn't fucking understand a word of what you just said. 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:40.119 And Patricia's like, you know what, like you're not being supportive, 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.080 You're not a supportive friend. Yeah, you don't get it. 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.840 Just then the sheriff comes in because there's been a 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.439 noise complaint. Patricia loves that there's been a noise complaint 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.360 because it means that people have been having a great time. 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.040 He says, what the fuck are you doing? 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.000 And that is when like the spell snaps and we 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.840 see that what she's been chopping is not like stuff 0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:02.520 for the punch. It's like all these small animals, this 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:07.840 ritualistic you know, chopping up of like entrades and entrails 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.240 and things. And what she's gone on her head isn't 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:14.320 this small tiara. It's like a set of bloody antlers. 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.120 Yeah, like placed on her head, the kind of head. 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.000 And she's been running this whole party like this, every 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:23.040 tourist in the room like it's it's such a good reveal. 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.200 I did not see it coming. It's so creepy. 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:29.480 It totally fucking shows how like much the town is 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:34.560 ensned in this occult magic and it's so unbelievable of 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:37.199 a performance from the woman who plays Patricia. It's like 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:42.720 immedia Emmy Boom, just unbelievable. 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:46.480 So everybody at the party, which includes several people from 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.520 off the island tourists or the good looking people as 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:55.280 Patricia calls them, have become entranced by some sort of 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:58.800 magic of the island, and they are wandering out to 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:03.800 the beach to words this wicker man thing that is 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:10.040 currently burning, like on fire, burning, and Patricia runs out 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.240 there to try and stop them. The sheriff is trying 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:15.360 to stop them from just walking into the water. 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.639 And drowning themselves the water. 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:22.440 Patricia is carrying the book, the self help book, which 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:27.280 she realized earlier when when the spell broke, is like this. 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:36.200 It's witches like this acronomical skin, you know, looking good, 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:37.520 not looking good? 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:41.440 Right, So the spell is eventually broken when she holds 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.600 she can't let go of the book. 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.919 But she does manage to put it in the fire 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.160 and burn it and it breaks the. 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:52.840 Spells just like, oh what's going on? The mean girls 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.800 are like you drugged us. I'm going to sue and 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:58.960 it just like all falls apart and turns into something 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:02.280 else great episode. Oh, let's go to episode five. 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.000 How do you follow that episode, you may ask, And 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.239 the question is by doing an even more like an 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.480 equally is incredible episode that's totally different, So. 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:14.040 We should add that. 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.159 At the end of this episode, it is revealed that 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.639 Reverend Price has hung himself in the church. 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.440 Yes, we learned that he basically at some point had 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.560 called them, and he says, I can hear the ringing, 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:27.840 I can hear them. 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:29.400 We see what we have to do. 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.479 Yeah, he discovers that the bells have actually been like 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.320 chained up, so there really is no way and he 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:36.680 feels like he's going crazy. 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.320 And the final moment is he hung himself in the church. 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:43.280 So it's this really bleak ending that you kind of go, 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:44.560 oh shit, where's it going? 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:45.320 And then they. 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.480 Somehow bring in like an incredible new character that just 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.520 changes the tone in such a funny way. 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:57.080 So Mayor Tom Wick and Patricia are in Reverend Price's office. 0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.520 They're looking through his stuff. Tom looks through his phone, 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.800 you know, his landline phone, realizes that the reverend had 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:08.000 called him a couple of times. So he's feeling very 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.320 sad about this, like he wasn't there for the reverend, 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:11.000 but then they. 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:15.040 Was to be sat on to death. But I do agree, 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:16.440 like I get it. 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:21.359 They find some interesting things. They find black mushrooms wrapped 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:26.359 in a napkin, a burnt letter of some sort, and 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:28.879 a phone number for a guy named Todd. Also in 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:33.600 the phone. Tom calls the phone number. Todd doesn't want 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.880 to talk to him. He makes Patricia call again, and 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.200 Patricia gets it done. They get the address. They show 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.960 up at Todd's Todd is. Todd says he's not a 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.320 drug dealer, but he is. He says he's a shaman. 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:50.080 And he says, oh, these mushrooms, these are called true site. 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.320 These are the only like mushrooms that I won't mess 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:56.800 with because they give you incredibly powerful visions about like 0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.200 the future and about what's going on. It's like they're 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.960 very troubling. Don't want to take these, and Wick is like, 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.600 I'll do it. The only way that we can find 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.120 out what's happening on this island and find out how 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.120 to stop it is to like enter the spirit realm 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:15.520 of through the doorway of these mushrooms. I will, I'll 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.680 take it. And so they discuss this outside. They come 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.720 back in Patricia tells Todd the drug dealer, Wick's gonna 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:28.600 take it. So there's a mix up here, and because 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:32.840 Todd thinks Tom is Wick hands him a cup of 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.440 tea that Tom doesn't realize is the mushroom tea, and 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:41.320 he drinks it and is embarking now on a twelve 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:45.479 hour trip. There's another kind of b plot going on 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:50.520 here where Tom's son, Evan, who is this rebellious like 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:55.000 young guy smokes weed, has born on the island, has 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.160 never left the island and is you know, always chafing 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:02.400 at his father's control. It has been kind of like 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.480 locked in Tom's Tom locked him in the office and 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:09.160 was basically like told, I told his secretary of Rosemary, 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.400 you know, basically watch this lady, watch watch my son. 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:16.280 So those people are all incompetent, so crazy to put 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.080 them in charge on it, right, So this is all 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:19.800 he's too high, right. 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:24.320 And also Tom has he's put in place at Curfew 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.240 to try and keep the tourists from getting killed and 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:29.760 keep them inside it at night. 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.280 And he's got to. 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.000 End He's got a chair like a meeting with the 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:38.800 local with the townsfolk and the business leaders of the 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:43.240 area because they are. You know, they're distressed about this curfew, 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.440 so he goes on these like jagged trips where he 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.120 loses time in between each of them. 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.680 I think it's best about this episode is the representation 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.440 of the tripping where it's like you're at the one place, 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.360 you're at the house, then suddenly you wake up and 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:05.040 you're at the fucking meeting, like you've been talking. 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:07.720 Oh my God, like you just keep waking up. 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:12.440 It's so it's a dream and so well done and 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.240 so challenging for Tom as a carrotter. 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.760 As somebody who always likes to be in control. 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:24.800 So while Tom is variously incapacitated, Wick takes the burnt 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.920 letter and goes to the Historical Society where he talks 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:32.120 to Jerry, who we will later discover as kind of 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.560 like an old flame of his. They're certainly a very 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:38.480 very old friend of his, and Jerry discovers that the 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:43.720 page is from the journal of Sarah Richard Warren, the 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:48.080 founder of the Colony's second wife, and this is the 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.719 thread that kind of like pulls the whole mystery open. 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:58.840 The mushrooms basically destroyed Tom, but when he finally arrives home, 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.160 you know, on this mission to find out where Evan 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.840 is and what's going on with him. He confronts Evan 0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.600 and his friends in front of the house. Yeah, they 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.840 go inside, Evan and him have it out where Evan's like, 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:12.640 why didn't you ever let me leave the island? 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.360 Like what's you know? Like they just like why did 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.120 you lie to me about this? That and the other? 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.640 You know, Like you're an asshole, Like you just are 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.680 trying to control me. And Tom is like, we'll talk 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.480 about this tomorrow. He goes into his bathroom where he 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:30.880 prays to God, if God indeed exists, to protect his 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.880 son because he knows that his son, having been born 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:38.040 on the of his mind, he knows that his son, 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:39.920 having been born on the island, can never leave or 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.880 he'll die. And we get for the first time this 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.480 vision of we see Tom's remembrances of what happened to 0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:52.040 his wife. His wife was pregnant with Evan, and they 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:55.080 got on the ferry to leave, and she lost her 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.880 sight and went blind and something happened. We then later 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.840 see Tom talking to it. Did she die in that moment, 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.120 It's unclear, but whatever happened was extremely serious. But also 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:09.040 we know that Evan was born, So what happened? 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:10.040 She did? She did? 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.600 He says she in the first episode. I think you 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.200 raise a great question. In the first episode he says she. 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:16.479 Died, and she died in chat. 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:22.360 But here it does imply that maybe something else we 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.840 we don't know it's the trip is I think raises 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:26.600 some really interesting questions. 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.400 I don't mean to say like, oh, yeah, go for it, 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:29.720 go for it. 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.360 I mean I I'm wondering. Well, we'll talk about this 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:33.719 when we talk. 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:35.440 Okay, okay, okay, Well, I was going to say. 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:36.600 That the one thing as well I want to know 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.800 is like how do they balance because we do have 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.680 the drug trip that is such a like stone of 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:46.680 comedy drug even like Freddy Vessus Jason kind of comedy 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.680 horror element. But the stuff with Evan and the kids 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:54.240 in the car is very classic like Slashery Texas, Chancel massacre, 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.880 beautiful lighting in front of a big house, like really cool, 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:02.520 weird hare a trope shit, Like they know how to 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.960 do this stuff and how to weave in multiple influences 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.399 throughout an episode in a way I've never really seen 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.960 another show though without it being like wink wink, nudge nodge. 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.480 American horror story naming. 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.279 This feels very much like just born off horror in 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:18.520 a way other shows don't. 0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.480 We go to episode six, which is our another bottle 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.120 episode we opened in the past. Seventeen oh two is 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:29.759 the year Betty Gilpin wonderfully plays Sarah Westcott, the newly 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.880 arrived see how to Show Up? Yeah, the newly arrived 0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.640 wife to Richard Warren. She kind of has been she's, 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.040 you know, an older woman in seventeen o two, older 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:43.480 for seventeen oh two, Yes, yes, childless, unmarried, So this 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.040 is like a real chance to like have what is 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.320 a normal life in this culture. And she's been married 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.960 sight unseen to Richard Warren, who already has like five 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:55.919 or six kids. I forget how many. She arrives and 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.640 you know the places. It's a very strange town she learns. 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.880 That is, you know, a very revered figure as the 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:08.400 founder of the town and somebody whose efforts have created 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.440 a place for people to live. But also there's a 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.839 lot of darkness here. There's a sickness spread is unexplained, 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.560 and you know, people are kept in their homes who 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.600 have the sickness, and their doors are marked with and. 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.399 He is yeah, he has like creepy we had rituals, 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.160 like evening rituals to keep them inside. 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.319 And he's a very strange guy. 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:37.600 The it, you know, the church bell tolls and he 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.480 has to leave on their wedding night, and and he 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:45.840 does not explain why. And the mystery kind of unfolds 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:51.440 to the point that at one point Sarah discovers a 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:55.800 few things. One she discovers that there is a hidden 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.600 chamber under the house where she thinks the body of 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.080 a man named Ezra that Richard was talking to is 0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:05.400 down there, because she sees his bloody kane and she 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:08.520 saw her husband bludgeon this man to death with. 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.120 The king dun Dun Dun Dun dun dun, but the 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:12.040 body is never found. 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.319 Secondarily, someone at night comes into their home and like 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:20.160 stabs Richard to death right next to her, but he 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:24.400 doesn't die. And he comes downstairs where she's been hiding, 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.560 covered in blood, and he tells her like, from now on, 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.880 you can't leave the house. You and the children have 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.360 to stay here, even in daylight hours. You can't go 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:34.439 in there. You have to stay here. 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:36.520 She escapes. 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.359 She tries to tell like the local priest and a 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.440 small group of the townspeople. What's going on. They're like, listen, 0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:45.360 there's a boat coming. You can leave, but you have 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:50.120 to help us. You have to slip Richard this this 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:52.719 thing that will put him to sleep so that we 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.440 can attack, like basically take care of him. She's like, 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.320 she does it, but he kind of figures it out 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:04.120 and tries to kill her. The Richard's oldest son hits 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.480 him over the head with a log, knocks him unconscious, 0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.560 and they escape down to the docks right to leave, 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.320 to forget the ferry. 0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:11.959 They're just gonna row out of town. 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.680 They get to the dock and a woman who they 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.000 had previously seen in town, who has got the illness. 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.440 Her face is all like scarred up and very very scary, 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:22.759 is like, oh, take me with you, and she's like, no, 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:24.840 you got to stay back. She ends up hitting the 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.480 woman with an oar, knocking her into the water, and 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.320 then they all row away. We don't know what happens 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:34.279 to them. We see that the townspeople in Hoods have 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.799 taken Richard and they put him in a coffin and 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.600 he's got this a strange necklace with like a vial 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.240 around his neck, and. 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.600 They which they reference, which we reference, like that's where 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.120 this they say, like in the lost EP, there's something 0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:51.200 in there that we about the necklace of that's the 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.320 origin of the plague allegedly is what's in the necklace? 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:56.480 So crazy episode. 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.760 And also I want to say, hey, mishlinklay as Richard, 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.200 you killing it midnight mass. This man said no one 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:06.040 will run evil town bat than me. I don't want 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:07.480 to see anyone else do it. I got to be 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.080 that run in the evil religious town. 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:11.960 So the townspeople. 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:17.360 Bury Richard alive in the graveyard and we smash cut 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:21.279 to present day Wick in the cemetery, after discovering, you know, 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:27.520 the Sarah's journal page, figuring out like, oh, this vial 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.759 that around his neck is the key to it. I 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:33.760 wonder if he's still wearing it in the where he's buried. 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:35.719 So they dig him up and that's the end of 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:39.400 the episode. Now we then go to episode seven, picks 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.560 up right where it left off. Wick and Patricia tell Tom, 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.840 hey listen. So Tom is waking up now after the trip, 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:49.399 right he slept for twenty four full hours. Patricia calls 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.400 him says, come to the Historical Society, which is Richard 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:56.120 Warren's original house by the way, and he goes there. 0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:01.160 Richard Warren's coffin is on the floor. His hand is shaking, 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.120 and they're like, listen, we dug them. Oh Max, what 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.839 are you crazy? You fucking look up Richard Warren. She's 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:07.760 like yeah, and he's upstairs. He's still alive. 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:08.520 You can talk to him. 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:16.480 Fucking insane, like a absolutely unbelieved. Again, this is giving 0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:18.840 like what we do in the Shadows, the level of 0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:20.600 like we're gonna fucking do shit. 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:21.520 You're not expecting. 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:26.320 I'm pulling off another great comp So Patricia and Wicker 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.279 like you need to He will only talk to the 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:32.400 Lord Protector of the island, which is I guess is 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:32.840 the mayor. 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.600 So that's you sure, So you have to go. 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.799 We've been communicating through like written slips of paper. You 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:41.759 need to go up there and find out what the 0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:45.120 fuck is happening. Here is the necklace with the vial. 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.680 Don't touch it, don't open it, get him to open it. 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.680 And so they're like okay, Tom, Tom's like okay. He 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.600 goes up there. It's a very very scary. Richard is 0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:00.239 super super weird. He's you know, he's been underground for three. 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.040 There's so many like funny moments here too. 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.120 Why they even when it's really scary, they still get 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:09.080 those little laughs out of you, like be stocked old 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.799 when he speaks, and shit, and like like you know, 0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:18.120 Patricia coming in, coming in all the time, Like every 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.360 time it gets you to that moment where your hackles 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.000 are up and you're like, shit, I'm scared. They get 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:26.120 you with that tension laugh or that tension. It's almost 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.080 the comedic version of the cat jumping out of the 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:31.400 you know, the chest when you think. 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.320 There's gonna be a slasher reveal. It's so well balanced. 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.280 So Richard tells Tom some very important things. He tells 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:42.000 him one that when they stayed on the island, at 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.040 first there was no food. No, they couldn't find fish, 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.000 they couldn't find anything. They were starving to death. Then 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.359 Richard found these black mushrooms and they sustained him. And 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.600 through the mushrooms he was able to make some sort 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.400 of deal with the devil, with some sort of we 0:40:59.480 --> 0:40:59.920 don't know. 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.840 He thinks it's God, but the island thinks it's that 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:04.799 it's we feel right. 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:05.960 He thinks it's some kind of. 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:07.440 Present powerful deity. 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.280 He makes a deal and and that let them all 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.560 live on the island. But of course it is the 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:17.759 source of the magical curse and the plague and the 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:22.080 various other things that are going on. The vile which 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:27.120 Richard opens contains his basically contract with the deity, and 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.440 it's written in his blood, feces and seemen. 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:38.680 So funny, Oh my god. 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.000 We also learn that. 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.759 Richard Richard believes that if you take him out to 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:53.560 the barrier where like where the where the magical curse 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:59.880 ends out in the ocean, that he will immediately age 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.680 up to you know, his Actually he'll just turn to 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:08.279 bones and that should break the curse. So they go 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:11.080 in Wick's boat. They put him. They're like, listen, it's 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:12.759 we don't want anybody to see. You have to get 0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:14.120 back in the coffin. They put him back in the coffin. 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.200 They put him on Wicks boat. Wick can Tom go 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:20.200 out there? We learned from Wick man and this is 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:24.040 so good like this, So the thing about what so Tom, 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.200 It's important to remember. Of course Tom can go past 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.160 the barrier because he was not born here. Wick cannot 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.200 because he was born there. Wick tells Tom a story 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.200 that he's been carrying with them. As a teen, he 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.279 and his best friend Mark stole a boat. They went 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:41.960 out to the to the border, out in the water, 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:46.080 and like a giant squid or something. 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.920 Kraken or something, yeah. 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:53.600 Attack the boat and Wick had to like kick Mark 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:57.680 off to save himself. And we discovered that Mark's girlfriend 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.200 from that period was Jerry from the historical. 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:02.600 And Wick has been. 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.600 Carrying this guilt that that he kicked Mark off of 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.240 him so that he could live, and Mark was carried 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:12.200 off to the teeth. They have this argument Tom and 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.920 and Wick about letting Richard out of the coffin because 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:17.759 Richard is sounding desperate in there. 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:18.480 You know. 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:19.799 When Tom comes close to the. 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.920 Coffin, he's like, oh, thank god, you let me please, 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.880 and and you know, so Tom goes to talk to 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.959 Wick about it, and Wick's like, do not let him out, 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.799 Like you don't understand. If you don't let understand what 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.359 a person will do when they're about to die. They 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.600 become desperate, they become unpredictable. Just leave him in there. Okay, 0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:40.560 there's my boat. 0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:40.879 Leave me there. 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.840 And then Tom's like and then Tom's like, well I 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:44.680 already let him out. 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:48.880 Tom's like, sorry, we needed this really important scene that 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.200 I agree with, where you know, we talk about the 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.400 Jaws comparisons a lot, but what I think is so 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.000 great about this show is it takes the influences from 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:58.919 where you're not always expecting. So what we essentially get 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.480 here is like Bay's version of that really weird sequence 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.080 where that all singing seashanty's for twenty minutes on Jaws, 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:10.400 like this is it's then Tom having this like psychological 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:12.800 conversation on the boat. 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:16.319 It's like so weird and fantastical. It's it don't let 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:16.719 him out. 0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:18.239 It's that meets. 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.960 The fog somehow, because there's a very fun love that 0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.879 there's this very funny laugh moment where it's like they've 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.719 just gone through this whole thing where you think Tom 0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:30.120 is trying to convince Wick to let to allow Tom 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.920 to open the coffin and let Richard run around, and 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.200 then he's like, then there's the reveal, like I already 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.359 let him out. So they go up and they look 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:41.640 and Richard is just sitting under the very bright light 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:45.480 like the little kitchen table there, looking looking weird, ghost 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.839 from the fog, looking literally like he walked out of 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:49.360 that movie. 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:50.560 That's such a great pul. 0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:51.680 Looking very weird. 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.719 So they feed him Vienna sausages, and things take a 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:59.799 turn and Tom realizes that, like, actually, I think Wick 0:44:59.920 --> 0:45:04.120 was right, Richard is dangerous. They're drawing closer and closer 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.400 to the barrier, and as they get closer, the radio 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.400 will emit strange voices and sounds. So the people like 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:17.800 trying to like turn people back from it. Richard attacks Tom, 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:24.320 knocks him silly, is now attacking Wick. Eventually they managed 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:29.000 to like together. Tom and Wick like wrestle Richard back 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.239 into his coffin, but he's like trying to get out. 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:33.640 He's like pushing up against the hood of the coffin 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:37.960 as the boat is drawn closer to the barrier. In 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.920 an inversion of the story that Wick told Tom, Tom 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.040 kicks Wick overboard to make sure that he doesn't cross 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:46.640 the barrier and die. 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:51.040 Very loving moment at very moment, and gives emotional nice 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:52.560 emotional payback. 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:56.440 Gives him a life preserver, kicks him over and holds 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:57.799 while holding the lid of. 0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:58.319 The coffin down. 0:45:58.360 --> 0:45:59.959 He looks in the coffin as they cross the barrier 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.120 and it's indeed, it's just bones in there. 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:04.840 Richard is dead Wick. 0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.560 You think for a moment that he's dead, but he's fine. 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.000 He gets back on board and they they're like together, 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.839 they're like, oh man, you really did it. Like there 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.239 Tom has this moment where he's like I did a 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:17.880 good job, didn't I? And Wick's like yeah, you did 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:19.680 a good yeah, And I'm like, wait a second. You 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:21.279 let him out of the coffin, like it could have 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:22.799 been very easy. 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.920 And sorry, this is very Donald Trump Lodget. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.719 It's like, you fuck it up and then you fix it, 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:29.480 and then you're like, hey, I did a great job. 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.960 It just don't fuck it up first time. Tom. Don't 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:32.600 let him out. 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:36.640 I grumba so that it is the curse over question mark. 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.320 I mean, certainly this part of it works, so it's 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:40.920 very possible that the curse might be over. 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:41.719 They go back to town. 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.440 Back in town, while this has been going on, the 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:50.120 girl that Evan has been dating, Kelly, is like, your 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.600 dad's been lying to you. He's being secretive. Let's go 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:54.440 through all this stuff. They go through all this stuff, 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:57.840 and this is where Evan realizes that his mom didn't 0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.000 die in childbirth, because there are pictures that he of 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.279 his mom and him as a. 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:04.959 Baby ay yea yai. 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:08.959 So what does this mean? 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:16.880 And this is very very troubling, right the closing shot 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:21.360 at the inn, as the innkeeper Curt is kind of 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:25.239 closing up, the camera settles on this canvas of like 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.920 you know, stormy seas and a boat that's been set adrift, 0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:33.879 and there's this little boy drowning and the little. 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:36.560 Boy is it Evan as a baby? 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:38.879 Question mark? 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:45.920 Question mark? And what I think is happening is the 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:47.919 curse now passed on to Mayor Tom. 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:52.319 That's what I worry about because also I think that 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:55.040 from the implication here is what we're going to learn 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.600 is that Evan's mom tried to leave the island with 0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.080 Evan and died. 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.759 Because let's take a quick break and come back. Let's 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.000 talk about this show and what we think is going 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:09.799 to happen as we head towards the backstretch of what 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.440 has been an excellent, wow, first season of a television. 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:32.239 Okay, we're back. You mentioned up top. 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:34.080 So I was doing some research on the show and 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.000 the thing that I found out is this is a 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.920 twenty year old script The Crazy tell Us Katie dippled 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.239 when she was interviewing for Parks and rec I think 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:49.239 season two or season three handed it in as like 0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:51.399 her sample to show that she could write to Mike Sure, 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:53.200 and this is how she got the job. So this 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:57.000 is like a show that has kind of been just 0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:01.960 dating for that long, which is fantastic. She and Dippled 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.080 has said that the early versions was like the balance 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:08.160 of comedy and horror. It was a little too comedy, 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:12.319 so she had to kind of like, you know, rebalance it, 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:17.560 and that has absolutely worked. The influences Dippled calls on 0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.759 are like Spielberg's Jaws, which of course you see it, 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:28.000 John Carpenter, you know, various other kinds, even in your childhood. 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:31.560 Tie West to do the prequel episode, which is very 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:35.720 the witch coded. That shows an understanding of like somebody 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:37.920 who can bring a period piece to life like Pearl, 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:40.400 somebody who can do a complicated woman's story. 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:42.040 It's she knows. 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:44.279 And I think, Jason, how do you feel, I mean, 0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:47.520 as a writer, as you know, I have a baby script. 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:49.240 I love, that's my passion project. 0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:52.319 I'm sure you have the same, Like, how do you 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:54.839 think oftentimes when you make your first project, you don't 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:56.920 get to make it the way that you want to 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.600 make it. So it must feel pretty incredible for Katie 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:01.960 for this passion project to get to be made in 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:06.920 this way with such incredible cost, such a long gestation period. 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:10.720 Well, you know, it's interesting because she's obviously, like Katie's 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:16.960 got an incredible resume, Like she wrote The Heat, she 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:21.680 wrote on Parks and Wrecks. As we said, I forget 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.279 what some of her, but she's done like a lot 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:24.839 of She's got a lot of credits. 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.400 She's got a lot of credits. 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:30.000 And I think that, you know, as a as a 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:34.520 writer starting out to kind of like call on your 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:38.520 arch enemy and free Bag, I think Fleabag kind of 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:42.239 twisted the perception of like TV writing and like, oh, 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:44.040 you've got to write from you got to write what 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:45.960 you know. It's got to be personal. It's got to 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.879 be personal to you. You're going to get to make 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:50.320 it and then you're gonna get to make it the 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:53.600 way you want. That's never haw Yeah, And I think 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:57.880 the fact that like, despite those comments, it takes a 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.480 long time to You've got to have other ideas, you've 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:02.520 got to have other scripts, and maybe you get to 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.479 make a passion project and who knows if this really 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:10.520 is a passion project if this word, yeah, just what 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:14.560 they bought, you know. Anyway, So let's talk about what 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:18.560 we think is. I have no idea where this show 0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:21.359 is going to go, but I think that we're going 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:23.239 to discover, as we talked about at the end of 0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:29.320 the recap section, that the curse follows blood, so to speak, 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:35.800 and now it is mayor Tom who whose life mirrored 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:40.160 Richard Warrens in that his wife tried to flee, perhaps 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:44.600 like with the child, and it is we're going to 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:48.440 discover that it's him that is now the nexus of 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.400 the curse, and he's going to have to directly try 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:52.720 and break this curse somehow. 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:54.879 Yeah, I think that's a really good call. 0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:57.120 I also think they could get quite a lot of 0:51:57.239 --> 0:51:59.319 humor out of him trying to live with the cast 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:02.120 a season too, like doing the balance that he was 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.479 doing at the beginning, but with the knowledge of the curse. 0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:06.759 I also, I mean, this would be I think you 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:08.400 can only do it once, and they did it in 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:09.040 the good place. 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:10.200 So I don't know if this is. 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.879 Where they would go, But after this episode, I did 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:16.040 have that moment of like, is the last three episodes 0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:18.759 of this going to be establishing what the show really is, 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.920 which is a show truck that used to be an 0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.400 island that used to be cursed. What is the slice 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.759 of life like to live on a precursed island? And 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:30.120 this was the setup that could be pretty interesting but 0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:32.239 also a huge swing away from what has made the 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.200 show so beloved, which is the horror comedy of it all. 0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:37.600 So I'm interested to see, but this is the kind 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:40.360 of show where I've learned not to try and not 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:43.160 even though it's always fun to predict, it is truly 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.359 a show that has stumped me at every point. Where 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:48.239 I thought it was going is not where it went. 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:51.480 Are there any horror tropes you haven't seen them touch 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.600 on that you think could be really fun? Looking at 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:54.480 the influences they. 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:56.960 Gosh like it kind of feels like they've touched on 0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.560 a little of everything other than like Found Forge, which 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.360 I think they could do it at some point. 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:05.360 Episode could be pretty incredible. 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:11.560 I think that, you know one I thought for a 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.799 moment there in the middle of the season, I was 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:16.920 wondering if this was like an in the Mouth of 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:21.279 Madness type thing of that movie where these are all 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:27.880 characters in like a Stephen Kings, New England based horror 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:34.920 writer's story, and that the characters don't understand that they're 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:38.520 in this like living fictional universe and that and that's 0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:41.040 where all the stuff comes from. They can't leave the 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.120 island because their characters in it. 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:44.680 Never gonna be the island. 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:48.520 Yeah, oh my god, Jason, that's actually pretty incredible, because 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:49.600 if you think I don't. 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:50.680 Think it's I will say I don't. 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:51.279 You don't think it. 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:53.439 I don't think it's that, But there was a moment 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:54.600 where I did think it was that. 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:55.920 Yeah, incredible idea. 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:01.000 Yeah, any characters you'd love to see I would. I 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:03.080 would really love to see some. I thought that Tom 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:05.960 and Evans stuff while he was tripping. They got to 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.279 this kind of raw honesty between the child and the 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:11.520 adult that we don't often get, like when he was like, 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.520 you're a shitty mare, but it's not because of me, 0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:16.239 it's just because you're fucking shit, and and that Tom 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.000 kind of had that you're gonna regret saying that to 0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:19.880 me moment. I would love to see them do a 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:23.240 little bit more about those two. Evan confronting what really 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:25.600 happened to his mom. Is there a chance his mom's 0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:30.000 still alive? Question Mark That's what I was interesting. 0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:39.759 So I I do wonder if she's in like the 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:43.880 hospital or like the mental the mental interesting wing of 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:47.160 the hospital, like sharing shy, very like one flow over 0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:50.120 the Cuckoo's Nest influences Potentially I'm. 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.560 Interested in the ocean there. I'm interested in the ocean 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:55.600 of it all. We know there's krakens, we know there's 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:56.280 a sea hag. 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:56.880 Like. 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:58.840 It feels like it would be too high concept to 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.239 do too much on under the water stuff, but I 0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:04.480 do wonder if there's maybe a limbo space where the 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.560 magic if you get pulled down when you try to 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:09.239 cross the barrier, you end up somewhere else rather than 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.719 immediately dying. Because I also felt like the way they 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.640 were setting up the Wick situation, it felt like there 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.520 was potential for his friend to appear as some kind 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:21.080 of haunting or ghost or so I'm interested to know 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:23.399 if they do something like that. But what I love 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:28.040 is the show does have an in built lawiness that 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.240 people love, which is kind of when you were talking 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.640 about pacing. Something I wanted to bring up is like 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.960 how incredibly satisfying it is for a show in its 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:42.400 first five episodes to deeply seed Law and History and 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:46.759 get a fandom that's really excited and already know to 0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:50.440 do a history episode on episode six, rather than waiting 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:53.440 for season two when you've realized there's law Hounds. So 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.320 just the way they sort of understood, almost like Jessica 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.279 Gow did with Shee Hulk, how the audience would interact 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:02.759 before they did it is very interesting and I think 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:06.080 that that's why episode six hit so hard, because there 0:56:06.080 --> 0:56:08.600 were so many fan theories, so many Reddit threads, so 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:12.600 many conversations and discords about the law the curse, and 0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:15.200 that's I think in the same way that we have 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.239 dealt with in the past with mystery box shows. I 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:21.000 do think that the reveal of is It the Devil, 0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:22.160 is It God? Is? 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:23.200 Does It go to Tom? 0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.760 It's gonna be so hard to land it because everything 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:27.960 else has been so perfect. 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:29.600 But I think they've got the juice, like I think 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:30.719 they're gonna be able to do it. 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:33.319 I completely agree. I can't wait to see where this 0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:38.960 goes and I can't wait to I I it'll be definitely, 0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.440 it will be so fun to wrap up this show. 0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:44.359 I know. 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:46.759 I want to know because. 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:51.080 I I do feel like to your point about the 0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:53.239 pacing like the fact that one they tell it, they 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:55.439 let you know very early, like the magic is real. 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.160 Two they let you they don't stretch it out in 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:01.560 which we're trying to break the curse like four. 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:02.960 Season, five seasons. 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.400 Yeah, like maybe it's happened or has it, and so 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:10.000 I'm I'm really excited about it. Another thing that I 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:11.960 love about this show is like, as a fan of 0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:14.359 improv comedy, there's this you know, there's a lot of 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:17.320 local improv folks. 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:18.919 Oh shouting, shout them out. 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.400 Neil Casey, who plays Kurt the Innkeeper, is also a 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:26.160 writer on the show. You know, Ben Rogers of Hollywood 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:29.360 Handbook podcast is like the radio DJ. There's like a 0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:34.440 lot of these little pulls. Neil Casey, of course is 0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:37.520 one of the writers. Colton Dunn is another improviser and 0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:42.680 writer on the show. So it's just like wonderful in 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:46.560 that way. It really feels like lived in and like 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:48.760 a community in a very interesting way. 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:51.360 That makes sense that you know, not like notice that, 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:54.480 because I have felt like there's something this show gets 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.480 about writing people and writing comedy and feeling organic but 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:01.520 surreal and like real conversation you could have with your 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:05.120 friends that other shows don't and that as an improv guy, 0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:06.680 that makes a lot of sense that they're kind of 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:08.840 pulling from that space with Katie's background. 0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:10.840 Yeah, I mean what show. Guys, watch it. If you 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:13.000 haven't watched that, you listen to this, go back and. 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:14.560 Watch it and listen to it again, Like, come on, 0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:17.640 it's so good, it's it's it's gonna be a wonderful 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:19.800 ride in the conversation. 0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:21.000 Of best TV shows of the year, no. 0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:25.800 Question forbus this and uh, you know, we'll figure it 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.360 out task exactly, this will be. This will be up 0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:30.439 there on the next episode of Extra Vision. We're diving 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:33.400 into Masters of the Universe. That's it for this episode 0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:34.240 than list thing. 0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:36.280 By the Power of Grace Goal. 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:44.200 X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepts Young and 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:46.680 Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast. 0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:50.600 Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:52.919 Our supervising producer is Abuzafar. 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:57.240 Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack. 0:58:57.400 --> 0:59:00.560 A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate songs 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:01.480 by Aaron Kaufman. 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:05.000 Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:06.880 Heidi our discord moderator 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:10.320 M.