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Speaker 2: He's not even that iconic because at least Henry the

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Speaker 1: But you know, oh yeah, Henry the eighth King, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess I guess technically, I think technically I mean kings. No,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, that's not great, dog.

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Speaker 1: It might be your best I don't know, Queen Victorious,

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Speaker 2: Best five stars.

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Speaker 1: A real model of behavior for fail sons around the world,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also proof you can always turn your your

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Speaker 1: You just gotta believe in yourself. You gotta believe in

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Speaker 3: And who knows who he would be if he had

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Speaker 1: entirely self generated. Anyway, what a choice, princess. Are you

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Speaker 1: who we have just gotten up to age sixteen, right,

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Speaker 1: Unlike bosbe not afraid, he at least is good at

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Speaker 1: this guy is like a Fonsie level of cool. Three

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Speaker 2: You know that guy fucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely fucks Henry Winkler level of fox. And

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Speaker 1: That is like, if you think about it in murder terms,

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Speaker 1: fact that you had a lot of rich guys who

436
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: wanted to be officers. They would join, they would get

437
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 1: everybody killed, or if a battle would go badly, they

438
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: would run away and they would kind of like fuck

439
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: over the army. So they were trying to establish accountability.

440
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: And initially the way buying a commission worked is it

441
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: was like, hey, what was like bonding out of jail?

442
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: It was in order to become an officer, you give

443
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Speaker 1: us a chunk of money and when you're done, we'll

444
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: give it to you back unless you run away in

445
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: battle or get everybody killed. If you fuck up, you

446
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: don't get this money back. Right. So it starts from

447
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: a good, an intelligent desire to like, we need to

448
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: have some accountability, right, But by the time bo is there,

449
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: it has turned into a way for if you're an

450
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 1: asshole with a lot of money, you can pay to

451
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 1: have a cool sounding rank, Like I would like it

452
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Speaker 1: if people called me captain. I would like to be

453
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Speaker 1: called colonel. Right, here's a pile of money, now I'm

454
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Speaker 1: a colonel. Right. But it did lead to people who

455
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: didn't know their shit being in command of military units

456
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: and British defeat in the Revolutionary War is going to

457
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Speaker 1: be blamed by a lot of people at home on

458
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Speaker 1: these officers who have paid for their commissions. And I

459
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: think historians have largely agreed that that's not that's not

460
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Speaker 1: a primary cause. It wasn't zero percent of why things

461
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: go badly for them, but it's not the main reason

462
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: things do right, But a lot of people do blame

463
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Speaker 1: that for the defeat at the time. Right. It's also

464
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: worth noting that the Army does this because the Army

465
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 1: is the second tier British military thing, the Royal Navy.

466
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: You're never able to do this. It's got some corruption

467
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: of its own. But that's part of why the Navy

468
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: always wins, you know, as they don't do stupid shit.

469
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Speaker 1: They're like, this is going to be sick. Yeah, we

470
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Speaker 1: don't have any We have no flex with the Navy.

471
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: The Navy's go look at us and everyone we're picking

472
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: fights with, right like otherwise we're just getting We're.

473
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 2: An island nation. We need this shit to work.

474
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Speaker 1: We cannot fuck around with the Navy, and you shouldn't

475
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Speaker 1: fuck around with the Navy either, which is why This

476
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Speaker 1: podcast is sponsored entirely by the British Royal Navy Circus

477
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Speaker 1: seventeen ninety. Was it easy to get a sponsorship from

478
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Speaker 1: a bunch of men who have been dead for two

479
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Speaker 1: hundred years? Actually yes, but that's because we at Cool

480
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Speaker 1: Zone employee only the finest oracles for our ad sales team.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Oracles. We're back, Princess. Is there a

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Speaker 1: dead person you'd like our oracles to get you in

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Speaker 1: contact with?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, yes, please, I want to talk to Kathain

485
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Speaker 2: of Aragon. Oh oh yeah, just for like five minutes. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 2: I have questions.

487
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a couple of those. You know, honestly,

488
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: it's not a person for me, but I would like

489
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: to let Hitler's dog know that we don't blame him.

490
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Speaker 2: That's good.

491
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, none of it's on you, buddy, Like it's

492
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: not on you man, Like we know, unanimity choice, you're

493
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Speaker 1: a German shepherd, Like, it's not on you man. Nobody

494
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: blames you, right, we're all, we're all in agreement. I

495
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: just feel like he might be holding on to some trauma.

496
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: One innocent Yeah, the only person in that bunker who

497
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't deserve what happened to him. So by the late

498
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: seventeen nineties, only some cavalry and infantry regiments let people

499
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: purchase commissions, and a lot of these are show units

500
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: meant for parade duty rather than like fighting Napoleon, which

501
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: is happening at this time. In Napoleon pretty good at fighting.

502
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: You don't want to send some asshole who had sell

503
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Speaker 1: one thousand men like you know what, Yeah, you.

504
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: Need a guy who's going to be named after a steak,

505
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: you know, like that's right, right.

506
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: Exactly, yes, exactly. The man who's going to have boots

507
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: named after him is the one we can trust to

508
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: do this shit. And of all of the fake regiments

509
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: in the British Royal Army, the facus of the fake

510
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: was the elite tenth Light Dragoons, which had been christened

511
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Speaker 1: the Prince of Wales's own right. It's supposed to be

512
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: an honorific you know. This is the specific unit the elite.

513
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: You know, in the Tzarrest Rush you get the elite

514
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: horse guards, which like the crown Prince's own or whatever,

515
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: and here that equivalent is the tenth Light Dragoons. Now

516
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Speaker 1: the Prince of Wales at this point is George Augustus

517
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: Frederick born in seventeen sixty two. He is in his

518
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Speaker 1: early thirties when sixteen year old George Brummel pays to

519
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Speaker 1: join his unit. Now in the future, he is going

520
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Speaker 1: to be King George, the fourth one of the shit

521
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: of all of the dogshit kings Endom has ever had,

522
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: near the bottom of the pile. He is famous for

523
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: being a selfish asshole to everyone around him. He's famous for,

524
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: like among the standards of the Kings of England, people

525
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, this guy was really addict to people.

526
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: Just didn't seem to care about anyone else.

527
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially his wife. Yeah, like horrible marriage. Yeah, it's like,

528
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Speaker 2: you're not coming to the funeral. He is his.

529
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: Wife, Queen Charlotte, Princess Charlotte doesn't like George, but George

530
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: actually feels sorry for her because he sees how she's treated.

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Speaker 1: You know, he is. He is there for the wedding.

532
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: We're getting into this. The Tenth Light Dragoons and how

533
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: they worked and why they came about are a testament

534
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: to the kind of lifestyle the future King lived because

535
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: he was heir his dad and none of this isn't

536
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: his fault. His dad won't let him do anything. He

537
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: doesn't want him to have a real job because the

538
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: prince the only real job that's fit for a prince

539
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: is to be a soldier. And that's dangerous, right, your

540
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: heir is the future of the dynasty. Dad wants you

541
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 1: safe at home, not getting into any trouble. And so

542
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: you can't actually learn to be good at anything. There's

543
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: nothing for you. And so the prince he grows past

544
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: his twenties to his thirties. The only thing his wife

545
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: will say, the only thing he was ever good at

546
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: was fashion. He knew fabric, he knew good cuts of clothing.

547
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: He was even he could have been a great taylor.

548
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: You know, if he had come about in a different

549
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: time where he was actually allowed and needed to do something,

550
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: he might have actually been a person with a skill,

551
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: and it would have been better for him. Because he

552
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: is miserable his whole life because he has no talent,

553
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: like most people. We have these guys today, a lot

554
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: of people who are not good for anything fetishize military

555
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: uniforms and dressing and looking and pretending to be militant

556
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: as a way to hide the fact that they have

557
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: no talent. Right, he is he's like one of these

558
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: guys who marches around city streets and fucking soldier get

559
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: up and whatnot, wave in a flag or whatever. Like

560
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: he is. He has a lot of that in him.

561
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking LARPers, military larkers.

562
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a LARPer and he is deeply insecure

563
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: about it. He collected replicas of every kind of uniform

564
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: in the Royal Army. When his brother, his brother goes

565
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: to his brother, who his younger brother, who has a

566
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: real job doing actual statesmanship, visits Berlin in seventeen ninety one,

567
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: is of like, you know, they're fighting Napoleon, right, the

568
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: Prussians are our allies and whatnot. So he's he's he's

569
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: there for diplomatic reasons. And when he goes his eldest

570
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: brother is the fallest of fail sons. He's not allowed

571
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: to do anything. It's like if you go, this is

572
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: what he writes in the letter, being like, I want

573
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: you to bring me these back. The complete uniforms a koutramah, settle,

574
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: saddle and bridle, et cetera of one of the Zatan's

575
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Hussa Hussars, as well as one of the officer's complete

576
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: uniforms clothing, sword caps, saddle, bridle, chabric, pistols. In short,

577
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Speaker 1: everything complete. I want the whole, all of the uniform,

578
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: all of the bits, all of the dresses. He's like,

579
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: you know that this is a guy. This today he

580
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: might have wound up like in a nerdier thing, being

581
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: one of those rich dudes who has like all of

582
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: the fucking Imperial officer, you know, every Stormtrooper uniform, a

583
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: great Darth Vader costume. He's that kind of guy, only

584
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: he's not again making his brother buy it for it is.

585
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: Kind of Vader costume. This is from the video game.

586
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but he's also he's not. There's something respect

587
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: if you're the kind to do especially I've known some

588
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: people who like buy all the equipped to like make

589
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: their own custom uniforms and shit like that's a skill

590
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: you have to learn a lot about tailor and a

591
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: lot of respect for that. He is the kind of

592
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: guy who pays to have all that made for him.

593
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: The guy. The specific thing uniform that he's most obsessed

594
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: with is the uniform of the Prussian Hussars, and a

595
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: hussar is a kind of cavalry. They are These guys

596
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: are the Navy seals of their day. They are special forces.

597
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: They are the best of the best.

598
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: Right.

599
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: Not only are these Hussars they have a pretty good

600
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: combat record, but they look really cool. If you look

601
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: up the Death's Head Hussars, these guys they wear these

602
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: huge shakos, these like big bear skin hats that have

603
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: like bear fur on them, these like huge round hats,

604
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: and it has a skull and crossbones, you see the

605
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: Death's head. That is where the Nazis get the Death's

606
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: Head from, right, It comes from these these units, these

607
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: elite units of Hussars. Now, these guys aren't Nazis. That

608
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: don't exist yet, right, This is just it looks cool

609
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: to have a skull and crossbones in your helmet.

610
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: Right, No, no, no, for sure. It's just like Hitler

611
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: is just such a like he's such a Pinterest artist

612
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: of like I like this, I like this, I like this,

613
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: I like this. I'm just going to ruin it retroactively.

614
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: The guy who makes the SS what they are, Heinrich Himmler,

615
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: is exactly the same kind of nerd about this stuff

616
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: that the future King of England is going to be.

617
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: And he's also obsessed with these Hussars and they're great

618
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: uniforms and whatnot. So that's what the Prince of Wales wants.

619
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: He wants what he covets about these guys because he

620
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: is never going to see anything close to a fight.

621
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Is their reputation for being deadly skilled professionals. He wants

622
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: respect and people respect these men right and bo Brummles's biography,

623
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: Ian Kelly writes such was the issue's importance in his

624
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: mind that he wrote directly to Sir Henry Dundas Secretary

625
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: for War, threatening that if he were not granted the

626
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: rank and uniform of a major general, it must lead

627
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: to a total separation between the King and my He

628
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: put it more eloquently to his father, I have no

629
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: option but to lead a life which must to the

630
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: public eye, where the color of idleness, which, from the

631
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: sense of it so appearing, must sit irksomely upon me.

632
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: A uniform would make him appear properly royal, a soldier

633
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: prince leading his people. In letters to his father, he

634
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: likened himself to the Black Prince, and in the portraits

635
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: he commissioned and poised himself as a man of action,

636
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: a military prince. He wants to be seen as this

637
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: great warrior. He's never going to get a chance to

638
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: do that, right, he would have gotten killed immediately, He

639
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: would have gotten the whole British would have won the

640
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: shit out of this war if he would have let

641
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: this son of a bish near battlefield.

642
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah.

643
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: And is his dad knows this the most? The princes, Yeah,

644
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: these guys are so funny. His dad knows this the

645
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: most The Prince is ever going to get is a

646
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: single regiment created just for him in seventeen ninety three,

647
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: the tenth Regiment of Light Dragoons. The Prince of Well,

648
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: his own never does anything. They do not They are

649
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: not a real military unit. They exist. This is today

650
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: people who want to have this desire and a little

651
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: bit more inside themselves. If they've got some money, they

652
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: just start playing Warhammer. Right. But this is his equivalent

653
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: of playing one of these like toy soldier games, right,

654
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: Instead of he doesn't have to buy models and build

655
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: and paint them. He just gets a body of men.

656
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: He designs their uniform from the ground up. He is

657
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: kind of like painting these you want some men? He's like, yeah,

658
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: give him some men, some men. We don't need let

659
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: him dress them up. However, he wants he can watch

660
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: them around on a field and pretend he's a general.

661
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Now to give you an idea of like how little

662
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: his father trusts him. He gets this unit gets made

663
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: early on, and like I think the yeah, this in

664
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: seventeen ninety three, he doesn't get or in seventeen eighty

665
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: three or something like that, but he doesn't get command

666
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: of it until seventeen nine when war with France starts.

667
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: So at first other people are running this because his

668
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: dad doesn't even trust him to run a fake unit

669
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: designed for him to like look fancy in. But when

670
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: war with France starts, they're like, we're going to need

671
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: to get a lot of soldiers, and if we show

672
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: the Prince Regent trotting around with his fake army, it

673
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: might make the royalty look like we're more invested in

674
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: this fight, and maybe more commoners will join up to

675
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: die for us. Right, So he makes his son, He

676
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: gives him proper command of the unit in seventeen ninety three,

677
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: but he backdates his rank to seventeen eighty two. He

678
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: like retcon's his son being a colonel in the army,

679
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: so he's not the most junior officer because you can't

680
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: have that, right, Oh yeah, yeah.

681
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: Right, that would be embarrassing.

682
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: Now, the King doesn't make it clear to everyone involved

683
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: in running the military, under no circumstances will my son

684
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: ever leave the country. We are not using him or

685
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: this unit for anything. So the Prince's only job is

686
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: to design the uniforms, which are the most elaborate and

687
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: expensive military outfits in all of Europe. George Brumble joins

688
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 1: the tenth for two reasons. First off, the guy who

689
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: stole his first girlfriend had been their old colonel, and second,

690
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: it's a way to get close to the Prince. Social

691
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: and professional advancement in regency England is tied entirely to

692
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: who you know, and the Prince is basically the best

693
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: man to know. He had met the Prince once earlier

694
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: at Windsor Castle, and the future King had expressed an interest.

695
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: George comes to the castle dressed differently from everyone else,

696
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: dressed really down. He's kind of dressed casually, but it's

697
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: sort of he looks like he just rolled out of bed,

698
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: but he spent four hours setting himself up to look

699
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: like he just rolled out of bed, and he looks

700
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: like he's dressed down, but in the because he's wearing

701
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: this outfit that's like a costume, right, that's like a

702
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: casual costume. But he is perfectly tailored. He has every

703
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: single measurement. He has set out to show off his

704
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: body to the best degree. And the King is like, oh, dude,

705
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: you look fucking dope, say a prince. Yeah, and the Prince,

706
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: you know not to body shame a dead man. He

707
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: is known for being corpulent, right, and so he he

708
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: is insecure about this. He gets made fun of for this.

709
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: And Bo is thin and muscular and handsome. Right, So

710
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: the Prince is like, how can I dress like you?

711
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: And he listens to everything this sixteen year old boy

712
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: has to say. Right, he's desperate to be this kid.

713
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: He's just because he's cool. Right. One of the criticisms

714
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: I might have of Ian Kelly, he's a very good

715
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: and a very serious biographer. He jumps around this fact

716
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: that like because he Kelly kind of leans into this.

717
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a mystery why everyone likes

718
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: him so much. Some of it was this he was charming.

719
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: He was like, what he doesn't because he's a little

720
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: bit too I think professional to say this is like,

721
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Bo's just cool, right.

722
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: Instead he looks like Timothy Shallow, like.

723
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, Like people just want to be like him.

724
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, and you know this, the Prince of Wales,

725
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: who is thirty something, kind of falls for him. So

726
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: when George applies for entry into the regiment, the Prince

727
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: of Wales says yes. Now George has to pay, and

728
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: he has to pay out the asks for these uniforms.

729
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: But he quickly becomes one of the most popular men

730
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: in in the unit, despite being a literal child. A

731
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are in their twenties and thirties.

732
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: He is sixteen and they all look up to him.

733
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: Right now, he can drink with the best of them.

734
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: He's very funny, and pretty soon the Prince is dressing

735
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: like him, which means everyone else starts dressing like him.

736
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, what an influencer.

737
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is an influencer. And to be fair, the

738
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: Prince is not bad at fashion, and the tense, elaborate

739
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: uniform has an influence on George and is going to

740
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: play a part in the creation of the modern suit.

741
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: The cavalry officers, like all cavalry officers, were these skin

742
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: tight breeches. Theirs are made of wool, and they're so

743
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: thin that the wearer almost looks naked or a lot

744
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: of because it's a pale, kind of whitish blue color.

745
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: A lot of times you look like a marble statue,

746
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: like these ancient Greek statues, right, that everybody worships. Right.

747
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: English writing breaches had become popular by this point in

748
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: post revolutionary France, because they're they're at leisure. Right, they're

749
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: almost like a little more like blue jeans. A lot

750
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: of people see them as right, they're a galitarian, you know,

751
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: but these were the most popular writing breaches. And the

752
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: writing breeches Bow wears before he joins this unit are

753
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: usually knee high because you're wearing them with cavalry boots,

754
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: which go up very high the tenth just because the

755
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: prince likes them. Their breeches go down low, low enough

756
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: that you can actually wear them with regular shoes. They're

757
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: close to trousers, right, modern slacks, you know, in a

758
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: lot of ways other than how tight they are. George

759
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: Brummel appreciates these pants, right, and he's going to kind

760
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: of he's going to integrate them into his uniform. And

761
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: these the pants that he starts wearing when he's in

762
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: the tenth are seen by people as like one of

763
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: the precursors to modern slacks. George Brummel appreciated these pants,

764
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: but the rest of the uniform he considered a pain

765
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: because it was so intricate and expensive. It cost about

766
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty pounds to buy your own uniform,

767
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, right, that's not cheap today, But a housekeeper

768
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: back then makes fifteen.

769
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: You're already paying to play because like, you already put

770
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: up money to be here in the first place. Now

771
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: I have to go buy extra.

772
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: Yet it's just a disaster. Like a footman is making

773
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: seventeen pounds a year. A French chef, who you know

774
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: they live pretty well is making sixty pounds. So this

775
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: is a crazy amount of money to spend on your outfit, yea,

776
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: even for a rich kid. Now, the primary occupation of

777
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: the prince's own hussars, because they're not allowed to fight,

778
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: is alcoholism. They did do some drills and war games,

779
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: but those are mostly you spend the day writing around

780
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: doing a war game, and then you spend several days

781
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: drunk off your ass just.

782
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: And bo is like I've been training my whole life

783
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: for this all that training.

784
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: Finally, I have been the kind of alcoholic that doesn't

785
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: exist on the planet anymore since age thirteen. I'm ready, coach,

786
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: put my ass in. And they have a lot of

787
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: terms for this, Like they'll sit call certain songs like

788
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: two bottle songs and three bottle songs, where like you

789
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: can sing this kind of song when you've had two

790
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: bottles of wine, this kind of song you're gonna need

791
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: three bottles for, right. And there's also a term of

792
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: like a three bottle man, a man who can easily

793
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: put away three bottles of wine in the night and

794
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: like still keep his head about him, be ready the

795
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: next day to go ride around and do whatever gonna bullshit, right,

796
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: And that's all you're doing is drinking and riding around.

797
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: The Prince described as ideal soldiers as mina fashion and gentlemen,

798
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: and he spent most of his time forcing bottles of

799
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: wine down their throats and doing his Basically, they're all

800
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: doing karaoke. That's what partying is then, as you all

801
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: sing together while you get recklessly drunk. One veteran of

802
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: the unit later recalled the officers of those days, were

803
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: thrown headlong into a vicious school, where at times they

804
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: were expected to act as if in reality they were

805
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: thinking beings, and at others chastised for merely thinking. The

806
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: officers were suffered to get drunk, swear, gamble, seduce, and

807
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: run into debt. A pleasure. That such a school produced

808
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: many scamps, many incorrigible, bad characters, is but little surprising.

809
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: It is indeed truly wonderful that it produced anything else.

810
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: He's like Jesus Christ, most of us.

811
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: Turned into pieces of shit. But that's not what's amazing.

812
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: What's amazing is that any of us didn't.

813
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: Right. It's like some of us actually became friend of

814
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: members of society. They died two years after because their

815
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: livers were completely destroyed, but.

816
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: Good for melting from the inside out. George Brummell does

817
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: extremely well in this world. Brummell is noted as being

818
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: quote the life and soul of the mess with his regiment,

819
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: for his original wit and collection of good stories were inexhaustible,

820
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: and at the dinner table he always kept his brother

821
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: officers in roars of laughter. Every regiment in those days

822
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: had a practiced and privileged jester, whose province it was

823
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: to put an immediate stop to serious conversation by pun

824
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: or joke and return to quote the hilarity which usually

825
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: pervades our military society. So he is he has seen

826
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: as the guy is like he can stop anyone from

827
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: like he's making dark jokes. He's making jokes, you know,

828
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: Lewde jokes about women, and his goal is to redirect

829
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: conversation to keep everybody in a high spirits right, especially

830
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: when they start losing money as they're all going into

831
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: debt trying to afford to be in this unit. That's

832
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: part of his job, and he's good at it. He

833
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: does so well at this side of army life that

834
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: after a year in the regiment, at age seventeen, he

835
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: is picked to be the best man at the royal wedding,

836
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: or at least one of a couple of them. Right,

837
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: he's the best man at Charles the Fort's royal wedding.

838
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: That's crazy now, the wedding itself is a disaster. The

839
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: Prince and the princess know each other from paintings like

840
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: that's what they have, and like letters where they describe

841
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: each other and they both lie right there. Neither of

842
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: them is honest, right.

843
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 2: They were not pleased like you tinder take into its.

844
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: Natcha, and the princess is like, well, he really did

845
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: not accurately describe his weight, you know when he talked

846
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: to me. And his issue with her is that, like

847
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: this is a thing I think is common among German princesses.

848
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: She doesn't bathe, and he doesn't love that nobody does.

849
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Of people try to talk to her about this about

850
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: like hey, I got bath, might help you, like there's this,

851
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: but uh, they don't. Really that's not the style at

852
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: the time. So, because he's such a piece of shit,

853
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: the Prince is going to spend their wedding night and

854
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: honeymoon mostly mocking his new bride, and George is kind

855
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: he tries to redirect. He feels like bad for her

856
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: because he's this, Yeah, she's a little like weird and foreign,

857
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: but she just like left her home to come here,

858
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: and she seems really lonely and like you're being very

859
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: shitty to her. The future, he does, however, get incredibly

860
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: absolutely housed with the Prince. They are just drunk as shit.

861
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: The Prince is too drunk to fuck right when they

862
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: come in on their honeymoon. She blames bo for that, like, honestly,

863
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: that might have been the best thing for everybody, but

864
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: she blames bo for like you got him too drunk

865
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: to even do the one thing he's supposed to do. Right,

866
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: So tomorrow, tomorrow, honey. George buys a promotion to lieutenant

867
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: in seventeen ninety five, and then captain in seventeen ninety six.

868
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: His only injury came when he fell off a horse

869
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: and broke his nose, thus ruining his profile. In seventeen

870
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: ninety eight, yeah, some people say it makes him more handsome,

871
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: like Harrison Ford's little chin scirt. Probably, yes, yeah, that's

872
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: gonna be my guess, because he still does pretty well.

873
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: In seventeen ninety eight, the regiment moves to Manchester and

874
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: George is like, that's the end of my military career,

875
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: and I want to go to Manchester because that's not London.

876
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: London is the city that matters. And here's how his

877
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: earliest biographer, William Jesse, describes him going to the Prince

878
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: to talk about leaving. Why the fact is, your Royal Highness,

879
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: I have heard that we are ordered to Manchester. Now

880
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: you must be aware how disagreeable this would be to me.

881
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I really could not go, think your Royal Highness Manchester. Besides,

882
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: you would not be there. I have, therefore, with your

883
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: Royal Highness's permission, determined to sell out, Like why would

884
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: I do there? You're not there? What kind of places

885
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: with that.

886
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: Row?

887
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: And the Prince is like, well, yeah, of course, you know.

888
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to be not around you. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

889
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: So Bo cashes out and he moves to London. He

890
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: takes possession of his inheritance. At this point, he's a

891
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: full adult. He buys a house in the most fashionable

892
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: part of town. He is very close to saple Row.

893
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: You might may have heard of saple Row. It's generally brobably.

894
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: It's like where you get your nicest tailored suits. Today

895
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: Bo is going to make saple Row. Saple Row. He

896
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: is where. That's why that starts, because that's where he

897
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: goes and a lot of his tailors are right. He

898
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: starts buying clothes, he starts building relationships with a bunch

899
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: of different tailors. He one of his things is he

900
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: will talk shit about people who are like, oh, you

901
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: go to the same tailor for your waistcoat and your jacket.

902
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: There's no good there's no good vest man who's a

903
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: good jacket. Man, you bought your house, your hat and

904
00:44:55,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: shoes from the same tailor. Okay, they look like it. Yeah,

905
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: look like the.

906
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: Hats of a shoe man. Oh my god, like those

907
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: mumpas who are like, look at them. Oh oh oh he.

908
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Is yeah, it just totally a yeah, that's exactly what

909
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: he's doing. So he picks a different guy for each thing,

910
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: and he designs a series of suits for himself. They

911
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: are based off of the stripped down suit that he

912
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: had started wearing. It eaten a little bit, you know.

913
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: He takes the breeches kind of from his uniform in

914
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: the tents and this becomes the prototype of the western suit.

915
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: This is where it has its origin. Point. Bo finalizes

916
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: his sartorial experiments. Just his fashion in England is hitting

917
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: a turning point. The term dandy had first entered the

918
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: lexicon in seventeen eighty and it means basically a person

919
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: who studies, who is obsessed with fashion. Kind of right,

920
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: Bo is going to be the man. He doesn't originate

921
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: that term, but he defines it. When people write about

922
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: dandies in this period, most of them are writing about

923
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: bow Right. Most of his contemporaries see him as the

924
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: first of the Dandies. In seventeen ninety five, the Prime

925
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Minister has introduced a new tax on wig powder. This

926
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: is a part of the war against Napoleon, and it

927
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: accelerated the demise of the old style of fashion, which

928
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: had been on its way out since the French Revolution.

929
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: At least Bo is going to be one of the

930
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: first people and a lot of the Prince and a

931
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: lot of other people follow him who stops wearing a wig,

932
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: And he kind of does. If you look at the

933
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: way Napoleon looked, that kind of almost Greek statue hairstyle.

934
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: That's how Bo wears his hair, and it's how everybody

935
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: starts to wear their hair.

936
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: An improvement because I've seen those other hairstyles are not it.

937
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a step forward. We can agree on that.

938
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: In National Geographic Ignacio Peiro rights the growth of a

939
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: new British style, one that embraced simplicity, structure and understatement,

940
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: with monochrome and military fabrics, abandoned such pre revolutionary fashions.

941
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: Psychologist John Carl Flugel later dubbed this gradual process of

942
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: simplification in men's dress as the Great Masculine Renunciation whereby

943
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: men's fashion became inspired by social equality, it turned its

944
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: back on extravagance. It accepts if grooming became regarded as

945
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: a feminine trait. Right, And that's weird because in part

946
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: Bo is going to advocate much more grooming than had been.

947
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: He loves to groom, but his kind of grooming is

948
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: you should be clean, you should wear good clothing, you

949
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: should have good skin, and as a result, you won't

950
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: need to wear cosmetics as much. So it is people

951
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: see it as less grooming because he's saying, no, you'd

952
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: actually take care of your body rather than getting obsessed

953
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: with all the ways to hide the fact that you're

954
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: filthy and gross. You know, that's the kind of fashionista

955
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: he is now. A lot of these changes in style

956
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: had started before Bow and would have happened without him.

957
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't kill the old style of fashion entirely on

958
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: its own, but it dies as he comes into his

959
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: own as like a popular man in high society, and

960
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: he is the first person with a vision of what's

961
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: going to come next, right, And that's why he's able

962
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: to make this change. She's able to make it because

963
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: the prince is the king of high society in London,

964
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: and he is dressing like Bo. He is telling one

965
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: else to everyone else to dress like Bo. Bo is

966
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: going around all these tailors and when people realize this

967
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: is who the king follows for fashion advice, they will

968
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: go to the same tailors that Bo is and they

969
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: will ask them what is he wearing? What does he

970
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: say is the best fabrics? What does he say is

971
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: the best way to dress? And part of why he

972
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: gets credit for inventing the suit is he doesn't have

973
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: one tailor. There's not one guy who makes an outfit

974
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: that he wears because he picks all these tailors. It's

975
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: them who are kind of coming up with these alterations

976
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: and innovations on new styles, but he is the one

977
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: putting them all together. So he gets all the credit

978
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: for creating the suit, even though he's using a bunch.

979
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: Of people for it.

980
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: Right within months of arriving in London, flocks of aristocrats

981
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: are following Bow around. They will come to his house

982
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: in the morning, and this starts with the Prince and

983
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: some of his hangers on. They will go to ce

984
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: Bow in the morning and watch him dress because they

985
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: want to know, like, how do you look like you

986
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: just rolled out of bed, what is it you do?

987
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: And it takes him hours and they will It becomes

988
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: like one of the most fashionable things to do because again,

989
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: part of what this guy is doing, he is living

990
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: the life of a TikTok influencer. But we're like a

991
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: TikTok fashion influencer. You've taken videos of you putting on

992
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: your makeup, videos you.

993
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: Get ready with me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just ir They're like,

994
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna see this lively person. They're literally at.

995
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: His house watching him do this, right, But it's no different,

996
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like it's actually in his home

997
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: because that's the way it's got to be. Back then,

998
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: once he has the Prince kind of acts like the algorithm,

999
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: right that boosts his content into everybody's feed. Once he's

1000
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: got this everyone's attention because of the Prince, he keeps

1001
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: it because he knows, he understands how fame works. He

1002
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: understands how to keep his name on everybody's lip, and

1003
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: he does it very intentionally. Some of whyse because he's

1004
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: got a great eye for style. Bo is probably the

1005
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: first fashionable amount of influence to insist that what matters

1006
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: is not how vinsive your clothing looks. It's not having

1007
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: all these layers, it's not having all this jewelry, it's

1008
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: not having all this paint on your face. It's having

1009
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: really quality fabrics, particularly fine linen, and it's cut in

1010
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: a way to show off your natural attributes. Right. You

1011
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: don't want to wear too much. You want to show

1012
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: off your body because you're showing off. I have the

1013
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: time and money to spend all my time thinking about

1014
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: how I look and how I present myself, right, rather

1015
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: than I paid somebody to buy me the fanciest clothing,

1016
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: you know.

1017
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: And that's so interesting because like how you're explaining him

1018
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: is not how it was from it that opening article.

1019
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: So because because it's so specific and it's so funny,

1020
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: because we talk so much about the downsiad of like

1021
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: fast fashion and bo would have been the first one

1022
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: been like, yeah, we don't buy from sham. We get

1023
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: ourselves passivate and like spend the actual money and instead

1024
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: of like so in a lot of ways, it is

1025
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: like this revolution of like because even though macaroni thing,

1026
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: it just sells me a bunch of like kids that

1027
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: went to the continent, like went to Abiza for a

1028
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: weekend and We're like, this is my personality.

1029
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: Now, he's my personality. I paid I paid a servant

1030
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: to buy whatever they wear over there, and I just

1031
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: put on what they bring me, right, But I was like, no, no, No,

1032
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: Your entire life is about thinking about how you what

1033
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: you're wearing, and how you look. That's that's all you spend,

1034
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: and that's what means you're a You're an actual fashionable gentleman. Now,

1035
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: part of what helps Bo in this. Another thing that

1036
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: helps is that he's gorgeous. He is like six ft

1037
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: five and one hundred and ninety pounds. He's built like

1038
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: a Greek statue.

1039
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: Right.

1040
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: Part of like bo is one of the men, like

1041
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: that phrase, the turning like turning of the leg or

1042
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: something like that, comes from the fact that he wore

1043
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: these very tight pants over his extremely muscular legs, and

1044
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: he looks like a statue. Right, he looks like a

1045
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: Greek statue. He's deliberately cultivating that look. He wants people

1046
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: to see him as a piece of meat. You know.

1047
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: Part of the point of these pants is you can

1048
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: see the outline of his dick. You know, he's got

1049
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: those like gray fucking gray us look right, Yeah, yeah,

1050
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: this becomes he's probably around Yeah, we don't know exactly.

1051
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, Ian Kelly is the one who calculates how

1052
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: tall he probably was because his wine merchants kept track

1053
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: of his weight and we know some of his measurements,

1054
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: so you can kind of triangulate about But he's tall,

1055
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: and he's reasonably muscular, and then right like, he's got

1056
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: that kind of that kind of build, you know. The

1057
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: last ingredient to BOE's success was that he had a

1058
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: modern understanding of how to manage and cultivate celebrity. He

1059
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: kind of invents Western celebrity in a very real way.

1060
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: Part of it is that he's very witty, he's very funny.

1061
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: People copy him and quote him right, which spreads his fame.

1062
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: He also he develops an affectation of carrying around it's

1063
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: basically like a magnifying glass that he will look at

1064
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: people as they walk in at parties and judge their

1065
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: outfits and be like, oh, you must have gotten your

1066
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: boots from a shirt man like that, and he's being

1067
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: a bitch, but he's also he's really funny with it,

1068
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: and that's part of the entertainment. Is Bo's going and

1069
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna talk some shit at you, but in the

1070
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: way that like a stand up comedian, it's gonna maybe

1071
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: pick random people from the audience and give him some shit,

1072
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: and like you, you come into the experience knowing that's

1073
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Part of what he's doing is he's like

1074
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: he's part stand up comedy. Right.

1075
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: You would have loved fashion poems, been like I want

1076
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: to one he would. Yeah, Bravo is his favorite.

1077
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, His jokes become reported on in newspapers and magazines.

1078
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: There's going to be at least one newspaper at the

1079
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: time that's devoted just to Bow. His name is in

1080
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: the title. It's not just about him, but it's like

1081
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: it's following fashion and he's fashion. Right. Yeah, he's got

1082
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: his own He's got a fanzine, you know.

1083
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1084
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's fan cams of him, but they're just all texts. Uh.

1085
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: His first biographer, William Jesse, gives one example of this

1086
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: from when the Duke of Bedford came calling to ask

1087
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: Bo's opinion on his new coats. This Duke comes in

1088
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: and is like, I've I've got a fine new character,

1089
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: and I want you to I want you to tell me,

1090
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: is this is this a fit? Does this work? Should

1091
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: I go to the party in this? And Bo quote

1092
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: Bo examined him from head to toe with as much

1093
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: attention as an adjutant of the lifeguards, with the sentries

1094
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: on a drawing room day. Turn round, said the bow,

1095
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: His grace did so, and the examination was continued in front.

1096
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: When it was concluded, Brummel stepped forward and, feeling the

1097
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: lapel delicately with his thumb and fingers, said, in the

1098
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: most earnest and amusing manner, Bedford, do you call this

1099
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: thing a coat? This is really a coat? Is a coat?

1100
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 2: Huh?

1101
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: You think this is a coat? This is a quote

1102
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: to you? Huh?

1103
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: So you came out and this is it. This is

1104
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: what he literally is doing like.

1105
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 4: Water the yeah, yeah, And this is I get why.

1106
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: Like Alexandra, like we quote started with, I get what

1107
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: she says, like, oh, he's just being cruel, He's just

1108
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: being mean to people. This is bitchy. You can take

1109
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: that from this. It is a bit bitchy. But what

1110
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: I get from that quote, when you have to interpret,

1111
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: is that it's not about what he's saying. Part of

1112
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: it is about there's a bunch of people around. Everyone's

1113
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: crowded into his salon to watch him dress. This guy

1114
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: comes in, this duke ask for his dress, and Bo

1115
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: is he's putting on a show. He's pantomime. He's going

1116
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: up and up to him with a spyglass and looking around.

1117
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: People are not just laughing at the duke who's getting

1118
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of shit talked about his fashion, since

1119
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: they're laughing at BO being this parody of himself. This

1120
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: really like obsessive, like like ridiculous fashion. I like that's

1121
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: part of the joke. The joke is on him. And

1122
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: that's why no one ever gets too angry at Bo,

1123
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: because part of it is that, like he's funny, you know,

1124
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: like he's and this.

1125
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: Is what he knows how to do, Like this is

1126
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 2: how he's always diffuse situation. It's like, I'm just gonna

1127
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: be funny and cute. That's going to carry me throughout life.

1128
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: So far, so good, and it's you know what's happening.

1129
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk shit about you. I'm also gonna like

1130
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: make a little fun of myself and by making but

1131
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: that by taking the piss out of both of us,

1132
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: we can all relax a little. I made a joke

1133
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: about the Prince. I made a joke about the Duke.

1134
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: I made a joke about me. Everybody can kind of

1135
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: be okay now, right, Like we're all a little bit

1136
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: in a more casual air now, so bo is you know? Yeah,

1137
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: interesting fella. He leans into the absurdity of his reputation,

1138
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: his reputation for incredible excess, usually by lying. He spreads

1139
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: myths about himself. He starts telling everyone. They ask him, wow,

1140
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: you have the shiniest, the blackest boots. How do you

1141
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: black your boots? And he's like, oh, I only shine

1142
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: them with fine champagne. I use champagne to shine my

1143
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: boot champagne. It's not a great way to chase boots.

1144
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: This is a lie. He's poking fun at his image.

1145
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: He's like, obviously, I the bow, I wax my boots,

1146
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: which fine champagne. Of course, you know, and people know

1147
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: this is a bit right In modern era, a lot

1148
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: of people are like, wow, this guy was like such

1149
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: a wasteful rich ass while he's whacked. No, no, people

1150
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: at the time know he's fucking around, right, he claims,

1151
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: because it's again a sign of wealth to be able

1152
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: to eat meat for every meal. He claims he doesn't

1153
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: even eat vegetables. When one high born lady at a

1154
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: party is like, do you really not eat vegetables, He's like, well, madam,

1155
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: one side eate a p you know, I had a

1156
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: single pee once? Right again he's fucking around, you know.

1157
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: I could just see like if he think, god, he

1158
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: didn't have a microphone, because his podcast would be so

1159
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: oh my.

1160
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: God, this guy, he would have been a great podcaster. Yeah.

1161
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1162
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: The only thing is he would he would have had

1163
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: to be focused on YouTube because a podcast is I

1164
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: think he would have said, would have denied everyone looking

1165
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: at me, right, they can't see me? What's at the point.

1166
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would do the Joe and do both just

1167
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: you know, film have his little like his pee, his

1168
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: one p that was just sitting there.

1169
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: His female friends, who get closer to him than most

1170
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: of the men, are able to get glimpses of the

1171
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: real man carefully weaving an illusion to keep himself protected

1172
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: in the object of desire. One of his good friends,

1173
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: one of the few people he's able to be himself around,

1174
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: is Lady hester Stanhope, and she writes memoirs of her

1175
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: time as a woman in high society and She says

1176
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: that he once admitted to her, quote, my dear Lady Hester,

1177
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: it is my folly that is the making of me.

1178
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: If I did not impertinently stare at duchesses out of

1179
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: countenance and over my shoulder to a prince, I should

1180
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: be forgotten in a week. And if the world is

1181
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: so silly as to admire my absurdities, you and I

1182
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: may know better, But what's that signify? Right? Look, if

1183
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: the world wants me to be this ridiculous parody of

1184
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: a rich man and they're going to reward me for that,

1185
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: you and I may know. I'm more than that, I

1186
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: could be better than that, but why bother right now?

1187
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: And it's like this has been him from childhood. So

1188
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: it's like there's like one of those first shah posing

1189
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: for that cute little pig that we talked about in

1190
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 2: part one.

1191
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: Like we are in this deeply shallow, image obsessed, cruel culture.

1192
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: I can succeed around you amongst you know, some of

1193
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: the people that I could be a person around. You know,

1194
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: there's more to me than that. You know that this

1195
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: is an act, but the act is good enough for

1196
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: these people that like, why should we respect them? We

1197
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: just need to get bought, We need to survive among them,

1198
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm doing. You know, I have found

1199
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: a way to protect myself exactly. It's TikTok and Instagram

1200
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: didn't exist then Bo was a poster, but he had

1201
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: to do his posting analog style. And the way he

1202
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: did this since he can't make a bunch of different videos,

1203
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: he goes one on one to every tailor in the city.

1204
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: He tells them his thoughts on the different dresses and

1205
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: fabrica of the day, and they tell everyone what he thinks.

1206
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: You go around, you follow the Bow route on Savile

1207
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: Row in these other fashionable streets, and everybody's quoting him

1208
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: right his presence, and they give him a lot of

1209
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: shit for free and shit on credit because the fact

1210
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: that Bo's shops somewhere will get out and then you

1211
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: can use as you can just tell people that Bo

1212
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: says you should buy this or that, right, and that'll

1213
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: sell it.

1214
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: Time is a flat circah. Like that's just so like

1215
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: he like just like Keith Lee, Like I'm outside the

1216
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: Tanna and he doesn't know I'm coming, but my waistcoats

1217
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: got a little tear in it. So we're gonna see

1218
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: if he can fix it up today.

1219
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly it. That's exactly it. Yeah. Now,

1220
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: through this method he spent years as the most viral

1221
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: man in the London scene. Jane Austin is again very

1222
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: likely to have based a number of characters partly on him,

1223
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: and so did Catherine Gore, a Regency satire author who

1224
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: described a dandy in the image of Bo as a

1225
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: nobody who made himself somebody and gave the law to everybody.

1226
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: Right in the making of himself, he creates rules that

1227
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: others begin to follow, you know, And that's where a

1228
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: lot of the ship to Bo gets because he does

1229
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: he locks down men's fashion. For some would argue centuries

1230
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: because of how dominant he is, but he doesn't do

1231
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: that because he's against men expressing themselves. He is expressing

1232
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: himself as a man and how he thinks he likes

1233
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: to look. It's it's this culture that he understands how

1234
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: fucked up it is that takes that to an extreme

1235
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: right because it becomes law. I don't know how much

1236
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: you want to blame him for that, because he is

1237
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: just trying to get.

1238
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: No one said it takes to shop wearing your wear

1239
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: done hats, but like I'm gonna do me over heahep

1240
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: with my dick.

1241
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm dicks out over here, and like I

1242
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: can't be blamed if everybody nobody has a good idea

1243
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: after I'm gone. And his chief innovation involved the cravat,

1244
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: which is a net garment that is a precursor to

1245
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: the modern tie. And bo is if not the father,

1246
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: then the grandfather of the tie. Cravats had existed before him,

1247
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: but he makes them because he crafts a way of

1248
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: tying them that is meant to look haphazard if someone

1249
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: had rolled out of bed hung over and tossed it on.

1250
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: He could sometimes hours getting it right right, and again

1251
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: everyone's watching him. He'll cut during the day and he

1252
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: has it's an act too. He's got his man servant.

1253
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: When people are like waiting in the salon having their

1254
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: tea or whatnot, waiting for him to be ready to

1255
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: come out, his man servant walk back and forth with

1256
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: these boty baskets with dozens of crumpled cravats in them,

1257
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: and he'll be like, these are all failures today. We've

1258
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: been trying for hours to get it just right, you know.

1259
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: But he might be ready for you now he's close. Yeah,

1260
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: exactly right. We know a lot about his daily routine

1261
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: because it's the number one show in town. The Prince

1262
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: of Wales will show up a lot of the time

1263
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: because he wants some of Bow's pool to rub off

1264
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: on him. High born men come by every day just

1265
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: to watch Bow dress. Ian Kelly writes, once his friend,

1266
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: the Prince of Wales adopted both the style and habit

1267
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: of attending the Chesterfield Street that's where he lives. Levies

1268
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: Brummell's position in fashion history became assured he had the

1269
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: required arrogance, poise, and connections, but also understood that the

1270
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: rules were intimidating to many. The father of modern costume,

1271
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: as Max Beerbohm titled, Brummel had as styled. It was

1272
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: uniquely his, but perfect to the spirit of the age. Quiet,

1273
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: reasonable and beautiful, free from folly or affection, yet susceptible

1274
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:36,959
Speaker 1: to exquisite ordering, plastic, austere, economical. It appeared post revolutionary, neoclassical,

1275
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: ordered and enlightened, and in this it did seem democratic.

1276
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: It did not shout wealth or privilege. It quietly insisted

1277
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: the point it celebrated, not at least in the sheer

1278
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: time it took to achieve the look wealth, privilege and

1279
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: elegant indolence. Brummelell's revolutionary fetishizing of detail was labored later

1280
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: described by Baudelaire as defining the man who is rich

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01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: in idol and who has no other occupation than the

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01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: perpetual pursuit of hea happiness, whose solitary vice is elegance.

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01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: Mm. Yeah, sounds like a hater than me.

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01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Mm hm Oh, Bodolaira was a famous hater. Yeah, speaking

1285
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: of the pursuit of elegance, our sponsors elegant as health.

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: We're back now. The author of that Esquire piece was

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01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: correct in that Bo's dominance in fashion leads to a

1288
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: growing homogeneity of men's dress in London, which spreads through

1289
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: the Western world. His proto suit becomes the norm and

1290
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: men's fashion with shocking speed, maybe faster than any other

1291
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: fashion so influential had ever been before, thanks to the

1292
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: new mass media of the day. In Bo's modern molding

1293
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: of his own celebrity, he largely gets credit for this

1294
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: development despite not making any of the clothes himself. And

1295
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: you know this also stops the fact that he uses

1296
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: all these tailors no one else shares credit with him.

1297
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: He gets the nickname Bo around seventeen ninety nine, and

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01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: it had previously ad meant like beautiful. It's like calling

1299
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: a boy, you know, a pretty little, pretty little man,

1300
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: or something like that. It's initially it becomes with him.

1301
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: It goes from being an insult to actually like a compliment, right,

1302
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: because it means that you were beautiful.

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01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: He's gonna reclaim it. Yeah, He's like, yes, I.

1304
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: Am Ian Kelly continues. People copied what he wore, how

1305
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: he spoke, even how he shaved. Tobacconists sold out of

1306
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: his favorite ranges of snuff, and clubs and dances were

1307
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: judged on his attendance or participation. Tailors gave him their

1308
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,479
Speaker 1: goods simply for the honor or publicity if he's wearing

1309
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: them in a manner immediately familiar in our own celebrity

1310
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: and fashion obsessed aged. The decimation of the beaver population

1311
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: of North America in the nineteenth century was set in

1312
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: motion by his sudden taste for beaver skin top hats

1313
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: like he carries it. He causes inadvertently a beaver genocide

1314
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: because he wears a hat one day that's made out

1315
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: of beaver skin and people just wipe them out. Oh

1316
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: my gosh, we're still dealing with the part of our

1317
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: wildfire problem comes from this, to be honest. Oh yeah, yeah,

1318
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: Like the destruction of beaver populations in North America is

1319
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: actually still catastrophic to this day, and bo Brummel has

1320
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: a lot to do with it. Now he could he

1321
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: have yeah, right, yeah, yeah, you know, although I will

1322
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: say he's not innocent here too, because he is. He's

1323
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: not a fast fashion guy, but he is a disposable

1324
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: fashion guy. Part of it is because he loves white.

1325
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: He insists on the thinnest gloves, the whitest shirts, the

1326
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: whitest thin often leather pants, right, and these will if

1327
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: thin white things don't last, you know, they get stand,

1328
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: they get holes in them. So he is throwing shit

1329
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: out constantly, which and so he inaugurates the cycle of

1330
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: like you are replacing everything rapidly, right, You are having

1331
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: it tailored every day, and you are having it cleaned

1332
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: every day, and you are running through your clothes. It's expensive.

1333
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: It builds an industry for fashion, but it is deeply waste, right,

1334
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: And that is on him, right, that is something he

1335
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: has a major factor in right, and he is also

1336
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: he's an avatar of conspicuous consumption, right, and he's an

1337
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: avatar of it in a way that is democratic. Conspicuous

1338
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: consumption had been limited in part because there were only

1339
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: so many rich people, but in part because only rich

1340
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: people could afford it. And he makes he makes looking

1341
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: good more affordable, which makes more people spend money to

1342
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: do it, So he increases the number of people who

1343
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: are focused on fashion as a luxury as a result

1344
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,959
Speaker 1: of making it a little more democratic. He also lays

1345
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: down his fashion dict tots in a way that does

1346
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: not brook disagreement, because that's kind of the humor of

1347
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: the time. Fashion historian Anne Hollander argues it is possible

1348
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: to make the case that masculine formal address of today

1349
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: is directly Brummell's responsibility. He's a little bit of a

1350
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: cult leader at his height, and that he will make

1351
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: things that are kind of seen as jokes and people

1352
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: will follow them to the letter. One of his bits

1353
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: was he would say, if John Bull, which is like Joshmo, right,

1354
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: turns around to look at you, you are not well dressed,

1355
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: but either too stiff, too tight, or too fashionable. Right,

1356
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: you don't want to be noticed by the commoners. Only Richmond,

1357
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: who understand the quality of your cut should notice you

1358
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: common people. You should blend into the crowd. You know.

1359
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: It's the same. It's like with Silicon Valley fashion of

1360
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: the day. And again, how much you want to blame

1361
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: him morally for that right, But one thing that is

1362
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: interesting to me is that he is not interested in

1363
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: gaining power. Giving his given his standing with the Prince

1364
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: and his status in culture, he should have been a

1365
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: powerful man. He should have wound up in government, and

1366
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: he had the opportunity, but he never tries. He has

1367
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: no ambition. Maybe it's he was just lazy. Maybe it's

1368
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: that he recognized doing that you're going to have to

1369
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: do awful things and did. He really didn't want to.

1370
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: His life was fine as it was. He was happy

1371
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: with the things that he had. I don't know, but

1372
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: this is part of the problem it's going to cost

1373
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: for him, is that he rapidly runs out of money.

1374
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: Everything he has is on credit. The Prince is able

1375
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: to keep his creditors at bay by saying, hey, man,

1376
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the king. This guy is my friend.

1377
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: Don't call in his debts and a lot of people

1378
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: are willing to extend him credit because they're like, he's

1379
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: going to be running the empire pretty soon, right, He's

1380
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: gonna have some kind of jobs, right, yeah, Yeah, But

1381
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: he never quite does, like and so this is eventually

1382
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: going to create an unsustainable situation. But before it does,

1383
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: he launches one more trend among the high society in London.

1384
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: When we're all grateful for he gets them to stop

1385
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: smelling like shit.

1386
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 2: He is an.

1387
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: Advocate of daily baths. He is an advocate uniquely people

1388
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: who do shower and bathe regularly. It's often cold, because

1389
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: that's viewed as being healthier, right that you want a

1390
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: bracing cold plunge or whatnot. He likes hot baths because he.

1391
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: Love that.

1392
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: He makes it a luxury, right, and he also the

1393
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: wisdom of the day is that sweating and like chafing

1394
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: a walnot is it gets out the toxins. It's good

1395
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: for you. And he's like, nah, man, I'd rather just

1396
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: like get and clean myself off in a bath and

1397
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: get rid of the gross stuff that way. That's a

1398
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,919
Speaker 1: lot nicer to me, amen. Yeah. And he also avoids

1399
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: a lot of the cosmetics of the day, which is

1400
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: good for everyone's health because most of them are like

1401
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: made out of poison. Yeah yeah, so he helps out

1402
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: with the health of the upper class to a significant degree.

1403
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: In that manner, he spends more than a decade as

1404
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: the it person in London society, which is a long

1405
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: time to be that kind of guy. In addition to

1406
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: the prototypical suit, he also starts the tradition of rich

1407
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: people dressing like farmers. Like he wears hunting jackets and

1408
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: like outdoor clothing that's not actually meant to be worn outdoors.

1409
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: It's meant to walk around the parking, but it imitates

1410
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: outdoor clothing.

1411
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1412
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: So we have like car fashionable car hearts thanks to

1413
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: Bo Brummel too, he helps start that. His downfall comes

1414
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: in part due to his refusal to get a real job. Well,

1415
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: Bo Pioneer's modern celebrity. He doesn't know how to make it,

1416
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: can't make money off it, there's no there's no like

1417
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: Patreon right monetization, and he gets some stuff for free

1418
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: and credit, but nobody's like paying you to advertise really

1419
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: at this point. And he's also gambling starting in his

1420
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: late twenties and early thirties, which quickly focks him over.

1421
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: You know, all this might have been survival if he

1422
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: had stayed in the King's good graces, but Bo nursed

1423
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: to contempt for the prince. He never thinks he's a

1424
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: good man. He doesn't like the way he treats his wife,

1425
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't like the way he treats anyone, and he

1426
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: loves making fun of him. This story's probably not true,

1427
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: but it gives you a hint of the kind of

1428
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: shit he would talk about. Their prince. Their story they're

1429
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: all hung over. He's at the palace one day with

1430
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: the prince and he's being like, hey, hey, princey, go

1431
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: fetch mission champagne. Go give me some champagne. King, you know,

1432
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: future king, pick me up a fucking bottle. Get your

1433
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: man servant to bring me a bottle. And it gets

1434
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: like kicked out. That probably didn't literally happen, but stuff

1435
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: like it did, because we have a lot of stories

1436
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 1: about them having fights, and it's often because Bo he's

1437
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: usually good at taking the piss out of people and

1438
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: not making them angry, but the Prince is really fragile

1439
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: and doesn't like it's Sometimes Bogo's too far for him,

1440
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: and when he's in his late thirties. He's going to

1441
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: blow up their relationship entirely. And I'm gonna quote from

1442
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: the New York Times here. A version of the story

1443
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: goes that one afternoon, after another of Brummels in the

1444
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: air to the Throne's frequent fallouts, he bumped into the

1445
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: Prince while strugling with his fellow dandy lord Alvinley. When

1446
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: the Prince warmly acknowledged Alvinlee but ignored him, Brumble is

1447
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: said to have coolly inquired Alvinley, who's your fat friend.

1448
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: The Prince never spoke to him again.

1449
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that's you, bud, That's that's not nice. Buyeah.

1450
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I don't got much sympathy for the

1451
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: friend for the prince here, but like, yeah, you're not

1452
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: going to keep his friendship there. He is never going

1453
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: to forgive this.

1454
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he sensits him about his shit, you know.

1455
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: And he originates another great phrase during this because people

1456
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: are like, when the French the Prince drops him, people

1457
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: are like, are you worried that you're gonna like fall

1458
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: out of your standing in society? And Brummel says, I

1459
01:11:54,680 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: made him what he is. I can unmake him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1460
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 1: he's that guy, that guy. Unfortunately he has gone a

1461
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: little too far here, some of them. Maybe he is

1462
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: in his thirties. He is no longer as handsome as

1463
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: he used to be. He is no longer as thin

1464
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: and muscular as he used to be. He's pushing forty now, right.

1465
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: You know, they just like a body.

1466
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: Anymore.

1467
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: They don't have those zembit they don't have the really

1468
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: good He can't do that, kind of like modern Hollywood steroids.

1469
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: You know, they just don't have it yet. Right, So

1470
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 1: by middle aged he is age. He is flat broke.

1471
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: He's worse because he's a horrible debt and once the

1472
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: Prince withdraws his protection, his creditors are like, well, this

1473
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: guy's never actually going to be powerful. We should try

1474
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: to get some money out of him. Right, So his

1475
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 1: life falls apart in eighteen sixteen, after a horrible losing

1476
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: streak at one of the clubs where he kept a

1477
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: permanent table, he flees permanently from London to Calais on

1478
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: the French coast because his creditors won't follow him there.

1479
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 1: He has some investments, he's got some minuities, and Calais

1480
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: is a frances A war torn country at this point,

1481
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: so it's like the third world the people in London,

1482
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: and he can live off of what he's got there

1483
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: reasonably well. He spends the rest of his life as

1484
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: a tourist attraction, still famous, and in the years after

1485
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: he flees London, a lot of famous people will continue

1486
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: to write about him. Authors like Benjamin Disraeli and Oscar

1487
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: Wilde feature him in their writing. Oscar Wilde is said

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: to have patterned a lot of his life and personality,

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Speaker 1: especially early on on both Yeah, yeah, very similar guys

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Speaker 1: for sure. The Duke of Wellington, the Destroyer of Napoleon,

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01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: also worships his style right like he dresses based on

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01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: how Bo dressed, and the playwright Lord Byron intentionally is

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Speaker 1: also he is one of these guys who's dressing in

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01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: the image, and these guys are. You shouldn't give it

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01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 1: as copying him as much as the way that like

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Speaker 1: men today, if you want to look good, you can

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: still look at pictures of how Carrie Grant dressed and

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: go like, well shit, that guy knew how to put

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: together an outfit, right, You do a lot worse than

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01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: trying to dress like Carry Granted, Right, Like that's the

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: kind of thing. He's just this immortal icon of cool

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01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: for people who glow up anywhere near that era. But

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01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: his older life is not going to be a happy one.

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: One by one his good friends died, and he grows

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01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: lonelier and lonelier, And as he grows lonelier and lonelier,

1506
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: something grows inside him. Syphilis.

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01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 4: He is, of course, of course he's got syphilis. Yeah,

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 4: there's no way this man. All of his friends are

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 4: high class prostitutes. There's no way this man isn't more

1510
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 4: syphilis than human by the time he's sixty, right, like

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01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 4: he is, he is eighty percent syphilis by body weight.

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01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: You know you are catching the box if you're in

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01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: a room with Beau Brummel. Over the course of like

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01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years, it reaches the tertiary stages, which

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01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: brings about hallucinations, madness, you go crazy, there's a worm

1516
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: eating holes in your brain. Basically, his last friend and

1517
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: fan in his dying years is a young man named Fishe,

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01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: who is the son of the owner of the hotel,

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: and Fischet wants to be a valet, and Brummel's like,

1520
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: if you follow me around, I'll teach you how to

1521
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: introduce royalty. I'll teach you how to be a high

1522
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: society man, and he does, and in return, Fichet spends

1523
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: Beau's final years humoring him. And because bo is losing

1524
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: his mind, his primary occupation in his last years is

1525
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: he he has Fichet escort him to balls and galas

1526
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: that exist only in his head. Right, Yeah, it's like

1527
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: a it's bleak. I'm going to quote from Ian Kelly

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01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: here because he writes very evocatively about this end period

1529
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: in Beau's life. Rummel had taught him how to announce

1530
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: royalty and how much obeisance was expected by the Victor

1531
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: of Waterloo, and Monsieur Brummel taught Fichet about clothes. It

1532
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: was Fichet also who acted as valet to the hotel,

1533
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: celebrated Dandy in Witt, helping him into his evening coat

1534
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: and handing him the whitest of cravats with the reverence

1535
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 1: of a sacristan. Yet these soires would end suddenly, and

1536
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: in the same way. One moment, Rummel would hold out

1537
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 1: his arm to escort the Duchess of d Evans across

1538
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: the room. The next his eyes were open to the

1539
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: reality around him, the room was empty. There was nothing

1540
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: in front of him but the candles, the flowers, and

1541
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: the young frenchman with pity in his eyes. Fouchet eventually

1542
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,879
Speaker 1: became inured, he said, to the dark pantomime of announcing

1543
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,879
Speaker 1: Brummel's ghosts, the long dead duchesses and Cortizans, the regency

1544
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: celebrities who had been Moucheaux's friends. But he dreaded the

1545
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: moment when Brummell woke from his masquerade and saw the

1546
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: reality around him, the ruination of his fame and fortune

1547
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: and of his mind. Babylon and all its desolation, as

1548
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: one friend of Brummel said, was a sight less awful.

1549
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: The Frenchman would then blow out the candles, shut the windows,

1550
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,799
Speaker 1: and leave Beau Brummel, the most sociable man in London,

1551
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 1: for the complete privacy and utter silence of his ruined mind.

1552
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 2: Damn. Yeah, that's so sad.

1553
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: That's a fucking story book ending like a sad one.

1554
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: But wow, right, that's so gig so. But like none

1555
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: I know about him. I'm like, I like, I just

1556
01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 2: want to put it in the other day, like that's

1557
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: all his fashion. Yes, like he did that.

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01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: She's just the making One thing I've read in that

1559
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 1: Jane Austen Society article is that he of the in

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01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: the Regency era Bo Brummele created the style and Jane

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01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 1: Austin created the substance, right, And I think there's a

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01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: lot to that. Yeah, people who are Regency nerds say that,

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: and I'm not so who am I to argue with them?

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01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:23,719
Speaker 2: For sure?

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01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he dies at age sixty two in an insane asylum,

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01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: destitute and reduced to incoherence, which is a bummer.

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01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 2: That's sad. He wasn't a He wasn't a bastard, little

1568
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 2: little little capitalist troll, but like a.

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 1: Little capitalist troll. But hard to blame him. What options

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01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: did he have in the culture he was born into?

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01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: You know, and you see what happens when you mommy

1572
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 2: blog your children in portraits. You see what happens.

1573
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: Now, don't don't put your kids in your YouTube videos, right,

1574
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: They'll grow up sypolitic and insane. That's how they'll die.

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01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: H l and a Madden House.

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01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: He was a bastard.

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 3: I definitely think he bred bad culture.

1578
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he bred bad culture. Bastard y grew in

1579
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: his image, but he was I think fundamentally a sensitive

1580
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: and intelligent and basically attempted to be a decent soul

1581
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: most of the time living in an evil culture.

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,440
Speaker 3: And they got to a roast a King's.

1583
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: And he got a roastick king right.

1584
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's how you get your downfall. That's pretty

1585
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: damn good. And also, like, from what I've heard is

1586
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: like they didn't like the reason why they also preserved

1587
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: that fashion because it was seen as less feminine. I

1588
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 2: don't feel like that's what both thought about it anyway.

1589
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 2: I don't think of him as thinking like there's anything

1590
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 2: wrong if it was feminine. He just was kind of

1591
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: not as he was just not as rich. So he's like,

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01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: I can't AISA and bring back big ass.

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01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: I can't afford to dress like that crazy, but I

1594
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: can't afford to spend all of my time thinking about

1595
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: how I look, And so I'll beat you that way

1596
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: and then you'll become me. Right. Yeah, anyway, that's bo baby, Princess.

1597
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: You've got any pluggables to plug before we roll out here?

1598
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? First of all, this thank you so much for

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01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 2: having me. It's been literally a pleasure. You can find

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01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: me on YouTube as Princess Weeks. I'm still technically on

1601
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: x as Week's Princess and then I'm also on TikTok

1602
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 2: as Princess Pendulum, where I cannot wait to talk about

1603
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: House is the Dragon every sing there we go.

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: Well, you can find me on Twitter too much, but

1605
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: that's about it. Also in a million podcasts, so just listen,

1606
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: keep listening to the podcast you're listening to, you'll keep

1607
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: getting me. I have a novel. It's called After the Revolution.

1608
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: Just type that and Robert Evans into Google. You'll find

1609
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: places to buy it. It's for a k Press. You

1610
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: can also just buy it from them anyway. Episode's done.

1611
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Speaker 3: That's it. Babies Behind the Bastards is a production of

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01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 3: cool Zone Media. For more from cool Zone Media our

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