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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Unplugged, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by DraftKings Man. I love basketball right now. I mean

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Speaker 1: men's game is going crazy obviously with the playoffs, got

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Speaker 1: a chance to catch a court side, sparse game this weekend.

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Speaker 1: But joining us is none other than one of my

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Speaker 1: best friends, Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, mister, mister Matt Barnes.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: How much fun is it watching Kelsey Plumb?

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Speaker 1: Kelsey's the shit, right. I remember how dope she was

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Speaker 1: in college, but obviously she fell into her role. But

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Speaker 1: we'll obviously get to that a little bit later. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: as a spark, just.

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Speaker 2: You said you went to the game. I didn't realize that. Like,

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Speaker 2: plus she talks her shit.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, I love it. I just I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: break her down later because this is the first time

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Speaker 1: I got to see her play in person in a

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Speaker 1: while for the Sparks, and it's just a different But yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that. But anyway, let's get to UH

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Speaker 1: Eastern Finals. You were in the building, ye baby, game

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Speaker 1: one Madison Square Garden. I said, I didn't even care

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Speaker 1: if I went to the game. I just want to

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Speaker 1: feel the energy in New York right now, because I

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Speaker 1: know it's insane, but you witnessed a choke.

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Speaker 3: First of all, going into that series, going into the

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Speaker 3: Eastern Conference Finals first time twenty five years against the Pacers.

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Speaker 3: Every old Nick is in the building, every pace you know, Reggie,

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Speaker 3: Reggie's there. All the shit you walk around New York

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Speaker 3: that day, right, The Knicks were not only going to

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Speaker 3: win that series in four, they were going to sweep

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Speaker 3: in four. They were after beating the Celtics, they were

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Speaker 3: going to sweep the finals in four, and they were

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Speaker 3: somehow going to win two titles.

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Speaker 2: By some they're gonna win next year, next year's title.

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Speaker 3: That's what you couldnot tell Knicks fans nothing.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I think you still couldn't. Maybe

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Speaker 2: even after Game three, they're like, we're.

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Speaker 1: Bad, baby, It's all happening Nicks and Sick, right, they're wild.

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Speaker 1: I saw. I just love the ambiance again, every single

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Speaker 1: former Nick players courtse I think that shit is dope.

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Speaker 1: And there's a mob, Dylan, what's that ship called? The

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Speaker 1: mob of just the crazy fans that talk shit to everyone?

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Speaker 1: Is there like a New Yorkers Yeah, mayn right. They

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Speaker 1: are nuts with no filter, Like I just love. I

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Speaker 1: said early on, I just think it would be great

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Speaker 1: for just the ecosystem, would be the NBA if the Knicks

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Speaker 1: were able to win. But let's get down to why

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Speaker 1: I don't think they they're going. I just I love

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. I have the team run a ton

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Speaker 1: of numbers, say, because I just kind of want to

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Speaker 1: figure out like what things look like and what the

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Speaker 1: vibe is. But let's talk Game three. TIBs Surprise, Surprise,

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Speaker 1: dipped into the bench a little bit shamming and and

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Speaker 1: Wright got a little bit of time. There's been a

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Speaker 1: switch with Josh Hart going to the bench and Mitchell

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Speaker 1: Robinson's starting now talk to us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: kind of the shake up and TIBs at this point.

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Speaker 1: And I was saying before we started, like I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at the guy's minutes now and all the guys are

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Speaker 1: in like low thirty, So it means he's dipping into

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Speaker 1: the bench. But the bench hasn't really got no burn

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Speaker 1: all year, So how are they supposed to on the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference final stage perform? But go ahead, what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts with kind of a little bit of shake

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Speaker 3: Depth, I think it was Kenny Smith, righty read the

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Speaker 3: line so far as the series where he's like, TIBs

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Speaker 3: won't even use nine guys baseball game?

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Speaker 2: What was he shows us tonight?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: That was kind of insane. Whether you play guys a lot,

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Speaker 2: whether you don't. I mean, it really depends on the day.

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Speaker 3: People go back and forth, right because when the Knicks,

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Speaker 3: you know, when we saw Cleveland, for example, right fall

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Speaker 3: apart against the Pacers, people were like, oh see the

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Speaker 3: Pacers have played their guys. They're used to running up

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Speaker 3: and now they're used to heavy minutes in Cleveland. That

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Speaker 3: made this huge show all year of like we're not.

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Speaker 2: Going to wear guys out rolling a player starter a

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Speaker 3: The criticism was they weren't ready when it was time

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Speaker 3: to go. The TIBs criticism we always know is he

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Speaker 3: at some of the numbers, it doesn't always back that up. Look,

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Speaker 3: I asked you before we started if you had played

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Speaker 3: in and you've been at. But it's interesting to me

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Speaker 3: that Rick Carlisle has largely out coached Tom Thibodeaux in

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Speaker 3: this series. And then I think what you saw on

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Speaker 3: what you're asking about is tips sort of feeling around

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Speaker 3: for what else might work. And when we saw Brunson

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Speaker 3: these people who was like.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, June Brunson, they're better without him. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's just insanity.

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Speaker 3: However, the fact that Brunson and Kat weren't playing together

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Speaker 3: and the defensive weakness, yes, when they're both on the floor,

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Speaker 3: that that creates wasn't there. That's what I thought was

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Speaker 1: About all those Yeah, there's numbers obviously, and analytics, you

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Speaker 1: guys can get that somewhere else, But when they're able

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Speaker 1: to stagger their minutes, and let's be real, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mikal Bridges hasn't necessarily been the lockdown guy he's been

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Speaker 1: it comes to defense. You know, Kat with his size twenties,

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Speaker 1: he's not really moving them puppies as as they would say.

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Speaker 1: And then Brunson is doing so much heavy lifting on

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Speaker 1: the offensive. Man, it's just like, how much do you

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Speaker 1: expect from him, So you know, I wanted to just

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Speaker 1: My whole thing is obviously being a former player like

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Speaker 1: you had, you can't, first of all, simulate game reps,

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Speaker 1: especially at this point with all the adrenaline, Like you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's why I always tip

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Speaker 1: guys that with you know, we look at Indiana and

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Speaker 1: it's here, whether it's a little bit longer than normal

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Speaker 1: You give guys opportunities that hasn't necessarily played. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure what you're expecting because I'm always thinking Rachel

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Speaker 1: on the playoffs. Every you know, a couple of games

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Speaker 1: are serious, someone from the bench is going to go

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Speaker 1: almost like the Knicks don't even have that opportunity. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we said early sham at some guy that can get

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Speaker 1: four to three's. You know, Delawn Wright is great at

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Speaker 1: haven't really got an opportunity the whole time, so and.

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Speaker 2: The pressure is then on more too.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, if you know this is your only shot,

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Speaker 3: I don't care how highly conditioned, highly trained, mentally tough

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Speaker 3: for pro athlete you are.

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Speaker 1: It's tough.

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Speaker 2: It's tough.

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Speaker 1: People have no idea how especially with the lights being

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Speaker 1: so bright. This is the Easterns, not the first round.

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Speaker 1: Like this is the Eastern Everyone's expecting to win two.

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Speaker 2: Championships in the one today exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. But you know, Kat showed up game two,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, game three with twenty points. He had just

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Speaker 1: as many as the Pacers had in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: played really well, carried him Brunson, I want to say,

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Speaker 1: what six for eighteen from the field. Scored well, but

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Speaker 1: not a typical game for these playoffs. What what is

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Speaker 1: Cat at twenty one and eleven and bruns is at

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Speaker 1: what thirty four and thirty four at six? Shoot only

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Speaker 1: thirty percent from the three point line? I was My

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Speaker 1: argument earlier was that Cat's numbers are very solid. Brunson's

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Speaker 1: numbers are above average. Cat's numbers actually above average in

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Speaker 1: this series you look at Og, you look at You,

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Speaker 1: look at Heart, and you look at Bridges. All their

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Speaker 1: numbers are solid and where they're at. But that's it.

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Speaker 1: You know now that Mitchell Robinson is getting a chance

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Speaker 1: to play, I don't. I don't really know TIV, but

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Speaker 1: it's just like when he's with you, he's with you,

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Speaker 1: and I think as a player, you love that. But

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Speaker 1: like you now he's in serty metro Robinson, but he'll

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Speaker 1: play him the entire first quarter and then his numbers

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Speaker 1: drastically drop the rest of the game. I love him

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Speaker 1: as an energy spark, someone who can change the momentum.

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Speaker 1: Someone get you three offensive rebounds and a kickout for

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Speaker 1: it through like that kind of shit. But then he's

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Speaker 1: playing these consistent whole entire quarters and then his numbers are,

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Speaker 1: you know, very average the rest of the game. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, going into tonight's game, what do you feel

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Speaker 1: like is the knixt game plan trying to go here

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Speaker 1: and even up the series on Indiana's court.

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Speaker 2: I think they kind of have to, right, no question.

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Speaker 1: You go down three to one. They've shown what they

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Speaker 1: can do at home. They're nasty at home. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: The greatest environment.

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Speaker 3: That's been well, First of all, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: I'm quarter vantage even matter to any of these playoffs anymore.

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Speaker 2: At this point, we've seen so many crazy things.

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Speaker 3: Everyone keeps saying, oh, you get them to the garden

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Speaker 3: in the game seven.

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Speaker 2: These pacers don't care.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Tyres Albert is just as happy to

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Speaker 3: score his game winning.

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Speaker 1: Shots more in the garden. It's more legendary. Great exactly, So, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: you were in New York on behalf of Draft Kings

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Speaker 1: and you've got a chance to win this in amaze

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Speaker 1: seen Game one Tyrese Halibert and the hero or one

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Speaker 1: of the heroes. Let's take a look at what he

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Speaker 1: had to say.

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Speaker 2: The ball goes up? How long did it take for

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Speaker 2: that ball to go down?

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Speaker 1: Man? Felt like forever hoping it was a three. You

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Speaker 1: know obviously it wasn't. But proud of our groups. You know, fight, resilience,

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Speaker 1: and you know it's winning overtimes a big deal. So

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Speaker 1: just really proud of the group.

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Speaker 2: What was it when you were a kid?

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Speaker 3: What did you count down in your head that you're

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Speaker 3: so good at these last second shots?

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Speaker 2: Was a Game seven of the NBA Finals? Like, what

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Speaker 2: was it in your.

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Speaker 1: Driveway High School state championship. I want to go to

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Speaker 1: the NBA, but more than anything, I want to win,

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Speaker 1: to stay champions in high school. So that's more more

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Speaker 1: I would think of, have.

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Speaker 2: You used the Reggie Miller thing?

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Speaker 3: You can't use it again, you feel or you feel

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Speaker 3: like you might bring it out again.

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Speaker 1: It's all spur of the moment. It was spur of

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Speaker 1: the move. I wasn't plottin on that.

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Speaker 4: It just happened.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think you'll see it again. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you'll see that. Yeah, we see. We haven't been

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Speaker 1: on since that. But I mean, how fucking he big? Toady?

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Speaker 1: Kdat it he big? But Rachel, can you imagine if

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Speaker 1: that was the game winner?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if they didn't win the overtime?

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Speaker 3: Throw it turn around, and that is like, that is

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Speaker 2: How long has that been? Has that been ten years?

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Speaker 3: And that is still the symbol of all the ship

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Speaker 2: And yet if ty had choked, had done the.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and he is doing that, and he does it.

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Speaker 2: By the way we've seen it.

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Speaker 3: Well, my question to you, having played, because you played

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Speaker 3: But anyway, to have a guy who just not because

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Speaker 2: Can you have that be your best player?

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Speaker 1: my question a while ago. Can he be the guy

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Speaker 3: Always it's hard to because the guy implies that like

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Speaker 2: He can be the guy in that way.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but he's only as tall as he is as

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Speaker 3: the Knicks have that. I don't know if it's possible

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Speaker 3: where if that is your best player and he's worthy

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Speaker 3: in every other sense that he's just not four four

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think like if for just hypothetis real, coud you

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Speaker 1: But then is he from that stamp? I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: Do if you him on ok Yeah, are you putting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, You're going to excuse me if I was

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Speaker 1: that thirty four game, nothing has been easy, absolutely nothing,

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Speaker 1: good defense, you know what I mean. I ran into

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Speaker 1: that's the one thing you keep And I had to

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Speaker 1: is big John, how long you got ran stated before

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Speaker 1: I absolutely again as a passionate dad, John, I fuck,

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Speaker 1: It's crazy we're even talking about it, like as a player.

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Speaker 1: He missed eight gays because of the Yana shit back

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Speaker 2: Well, I just say one more thing about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, Like I'm thrilled, I've been saying for

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Speaker 3: to the point where the punishment has outweighed the crime. Right,

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Speaker 3: your son is doing things that, literally, by the way,

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Speaker 3: To me, that we need to be creative about thinking

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Speaker 2: These decisions for people.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because the argument that I've gotten thrown back to

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Speaker 2: To say you can't do this.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like, you know, to the player participation

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Speaker 2: That's bullshit to me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's other ways you can say you can't do this.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't have to be the way. Keeping John out

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Speaker 2: Can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Son uncharted territories with the ship John did on the court.

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Speaker 1: But again, I'm glad he's.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's lucky he rolled up on honest.

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Speaker 1: Man, That's what I said. We were having a conversation.

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Speaker 1: Caruso gar like, switched out and denied him. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: Three one, I've been talking about Game four and this

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Speaker 3: It's so fun. There's a couple of clunker games that we've.

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Speaker 2: the last.

436
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Speaker 3: Couple that we see, as we say here today, where

437
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,359
Speaker 3: it's just shot making after shot making as opposed to

438
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:15,399
Speaker 3: sucking after sucking.

439
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just to see the elite level right now.

440
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Speaker 2: And this is what I'm talking about.

441
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Speaker 1: Hold your point one second and what I want to

442
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Speaker 1: say with that, because I think, Rachel, we've seen a

443
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Speaker 1: passing of the guards in these particular playoffs. Again, smaller markets,

444
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,919
Speaker 1: none of our traditional old stars that are unfortunately on

445
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,240
Speaker 1: their way out. It's new stars, small markets and just

446
00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,280
Speaker 1: again shot making. There's been some blowouts, but guys are

447
00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,960
Speaker 1: playing at a high level. This is I mean, I

448
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 1: don't know what the TV numbers are, and obviously when

449
00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,880
Speaker 1: Lebron's not in and all that, I just know there's

450
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,040
Speaker 1: been some really good basketball and it's all new young

451
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,359
Speaker 1: players and stars doing it.

452
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Speaker 2: It's fun.

453
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Speaker 3: Man, Go ahead, well no, but to your point, right,

454
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Speaker 3: So this is what Minnesota Timberwolves did, right And I'm

455
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Speaker 3: reading from John Krasinski is a great beat writer from

456
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,359
Speaker 3: the Athletic who was covered the team for a long time.

457
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,280
Speaker 3: They shot it better from the field fifty one percent.

458
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,480
Speaker 3: They shot it better from three point range than Thunder

459
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Speaker 3: forty four percent.

460
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Speaker 2: They out rebounded Oka.

461
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Speaker 4: See.

462
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Speaker 3: They scored more points in the paint. They scored more

463
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Speaker 3: points in transition, more points than Okaysey off second chances,

464
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 3: had eight more assists, three more points off turnovers. They

465
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Speaker 3: made six more three throws, and Minnesota's bench outscored the

466
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Speaker 3: Thunders bench. And by the way, the Thunders bench is

467
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Speaker 3: Sam Good. Minnesota's bench outscored the Thunders sixty four to

468
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Speaker 3: twenty seven. The guess who won the game? And not

469
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Speaker 3: even like by a little bit. It didn't feel I

470
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Speaker 3: know it got close at the end, but didn't feel

471
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Speaker 3: to you. Yeah, the older brother the kind of like

472
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Speaker 3: just holding it up a little in front of them.

473
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Speaker 1: But I think the two things you mentioned is their

474
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Speaker 1: stars didn't play well. I think you know you look

475
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Speaker 1: at Devincenzo seven for eleven from the field, five for eight,

476
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Speaker 1: twenty one points. I love Alexander Walker's cousin.

477
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Speaker 2: Did you know that their cousins, because they haven't mentioned

478
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Speaker 2: it at.

479
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Speaker 1: All, because I talked about it. I think because this

480
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 1: he's finally on a big enough stage, he's showing his shit.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

482
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Speaker 1: But he goes for twenty three five for right from

483
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Speaker 1: the end, plays tough defense, you know. McDaniels goes for

484
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Speaker 1: twenty two, Gobert nearly a double double, thirteen to nine.

485
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Speaker 1: But then you look at sh our Aunt five for

486
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Speaker 1: thirteen six points or sixteen points, one for seven form

487
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Speaker 1: the three, and then Randall, who's been incredible during these playoffs,

488
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 1: but he's been kind of bottled up against this team

489
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 1: twenty eight minutes, one for seven, five points. Yeah, so

490
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Speaker 1: you can't your two best players can't have those kind

491
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Speaker 1: of night, especially on the same night in the Western Finals.

492
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Speaker 2: I agree, And you can't win when that's the case.

493
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Speaker 3: But you were playing against a defense that is designed

494
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Speaker 3: to get this incredible And so when people are like, oh,

495
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Speaker 3: aunt Ann had a bad night, and then Aunt comes

496
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Speaker 3: out and said I wouldn't say I was struggling, and

497
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Speaker 3: that got a lot of attention.

498
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Speaker 2: I think he's right.

499
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Speaker 3: Look, the defense is designed to suffocate him and take

500
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Speaker 3: the ball out of his hands, and is he making

501
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 3: good decisions or not? And he was generally making good decisions.

502
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Speaker 3: He's still twenty three years old. Yes, right, but this

503
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 3: is the Western Conference playoffs. I just think we are

504
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 3: such a like either your gold or your trash society

505
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 3: now that we forget in our breakdowns in some of

506
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: these games, like oh man, he didn't show up, he

507
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 3: was trash. Julius Randall, I thought he was good again,

508
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 3: and now like, oh look, he's shown his true colors.

509
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,719
Speaker 3: Guess what they're playing against a historically good defense, and

510
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 3: this is what happens. And he has played really well

511
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 3: up until now in these playoffs, and he is having

512
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 3: some not great games against one of the best defenses

513
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Speaker 3: to do it.

514
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Speaker 2: And this is what happens when you have this level

515
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Speaker 2: of might versus might.

516
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 3: This is like evengel Civil Warship, Right, You've got like

517
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 3: this team of people and this team with people. Not

518
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 3: everyone's gonna win all the time. So I think that's

519
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 3: what we're seeing a little bit is okay, see is

520
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: that good? You sit here and you say they've got

521
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Speaker 3: this defense like it's seven on five out there half

522
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Speaker 3: the time.

523
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Speaker 2: It's what it feels like.

524
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Speaker 1: The one thing I would say, and obviously you're right,

525
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: but still stars have to play better. The one thing

526
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Speaker 1: I'll say about Anthon, I just don't like he hasn't

527
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: taken enough shots for me. Five for thirteen again, and

528
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: I think this is the second time he's taking thirteen shots.

529
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: I'm from an era of gunners with Kobe, you know

530
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, but that's what at this point,

531
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Speaker 1: I feel like, like, if we're going to go down,

532
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: it's going to go down because he went three for twenty.

533
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Speaker 2: But then are we all going to sit here and

534
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Speaker 2: be like I.

535
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Speaker 1: Would rather, but I would rather rather he's that good?

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I would rather have no question, but I

537
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: would rather Aunt has to be in the eighteen to

538
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: twenty three attempts a game for this team to have

539
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Speaker 1: any and I don't think they have a chance. And

540
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Speaker 1: I say that with all due respect. I think they've

541
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Speaker 1: done very well. But I think, okay, see with the

542
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Speaker 1: way their defensive playing and then the way Shay is

543
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: still scoring, whether he's baiting fowls or not, he's getting

544
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: those buckets. And then again Jalen Williams, for Shay to

545
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Speaker 1: be able to go sit on the bench and him

546
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Speaker 1: to carry the team offensively, that was that very impressive. Interest. Rachel, Well,

547
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Speaker 1: you know what's weird to me is like they have

548
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: two guys that can really go out and get it,

549
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: but they also have a really good ball movement. It's nuts,

550
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's times obviously where Shay will

551
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Speaker 1: do with things and then last night when Jalen was

552
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: doing this thing. But on top of the guys that

553
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: are really two guys going to get it, the ball

554
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: still moves around.

555
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Speaker 2: They do need Jaalen Williams to play the way he played. Oh,

556
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: he was incredible and that is not a gimme.

557
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: And we will still see, by the way, and whether

558
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 3: it's Western Conference finals, whether it's in the finals, if

559
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: they make it, we will see a couple of bad

560
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: games from him and people will be like, see that

561
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Speaker 3: when I'm a second star, they can't do it. He's

562
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 3: not there yet, but he's showing enough that he could

563
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Speaker 3: be that.

564
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Speaker 1: I'm interested absolutely, First time All Stars, second Team All Defense,

565
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: and again for him to carry the offensive load. As

566
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Speaker 1: you know, the way he did was was really impressive

567
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: and only had four points going into the second quarter,

568
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: only took two shots in the first half of the game,

569
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Speaker 1: thirteen for the game, sixteen points, six rebounds, excuse me,

570
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Speaker 1: six assists, four rebounds. What do you need to see this?

571
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: Game for them, which is going to be tomorrow night

572
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: for them to have a chance to try to get

573
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Speaker 1: one more maybe.

574
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Speaker 3: Look, I mean it'd be very hard, first of all,

575
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Speaker 3: to walk into that environment in Oklahoma City.

576
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Speaker 2: You know what it's like, nasty, crazy.

577
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Speaker 1: Wow.

578
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: If y'all out there have not seen the video of

579
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Speaker 3: them coming back to the airport at three am, crazy,

580
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: it was crazy, and this is something they do in

581
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Speaker 3: Oklahoma City.

582
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Speaker 2: But I love that, right.

583
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Speaker 3: I mean, they sit and wait for those guys after

584
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Speaker 3: road trips, especially during the playoffs. It was a madhouse

585
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 3: at like three point thirty in the morning in Oklahoma,

586
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: which was just so much fun.

587
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Speaker 1: To see anything else to do.

588
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Speaker 3: I love it, right, It's going to be a crazy environment.

589
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 3: I think that's going to be hard for them. Look,

590
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards is a couple of years behind Shay, right,

591
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: both in terms of years in the league, age, all

592
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: of that stuff.

593
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Speaker 2: He will get there.

594
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 3: Yes, we all know it, we all see it. Dylan

595
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: and I had this conversation going into this series. Dylan,

596
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 3: you were saying, I think Ant's ready, He's ready to

597
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: be the face of the league.

598
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Speaker 2: He's star, And that's true.

599
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: He's ready to do a lot of the star things,

600
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: but you still have to go on the basketball court

601
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: first and foremost, but also learn right just we are

602
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: so in a culture. The commercials are the best.

603
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: In the in the NBA.

604
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: Right, So I think he's got the best commercials in

605
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Speaker 3: the NBA, and he's got the best star power. He

606
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 3: gives it, the best press conference, he's he's great on

607
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: the court, walks down the street in LA after fucking

608
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: de throning, right, King Slayer, Right, He's he's sitting there

609
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 3: calling the Gobert Dragon and calling himself the King Slayer

610
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: and got the whole nine. But he's still twenty three

611
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: years old, and he is going to get better enough

612
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: in the next two years that he would walk into

613
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Speaker 3: a situation like he is about to walk into an

614
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Speaker 3: Okac and tear the house down. I just don't know

615
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Speaker 3: if he's there yet.

616
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Speaker 1: He's not. And I think it's it's just mentality too.

617
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Speaker 1: I don't even think it's skill set. I think it's

618
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Speaker 1: the mentality to say, fuck everything else, if we're going

619
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: to sink, we're going to sink on my back. I

620
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Speaker 1: think that's what kind of talent he has.

621
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Speaker 3: That's what kind of talent he needs to learn how

622
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Speaker 3: to do it, and by against again a historically good defense.

623
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Speaker 1: But I mean, if we look at it, what has

624
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: he done. He's got his team to the Western Finals

625
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: the last two years, like no one thought he was

626
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Speaker 1: going to make it this year.

627
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Speaker 2: And by the way, yeah again.

628
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Speaker 1: The King Slayer. He's he beat all the legends, all

629
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Speaker 1: the legends of my time that are you know, on

630
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: the back side of their career. So again, I think

631
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: you made a great point. It's all or nothing with

632
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: sports media now and fan bases that don't know shit.

633
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: Our peanut gallery downstairs crazy as hell, Like it's just

634
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: all or nothing. You cannot falter period, you know what

635
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: I mean. But again, if you're a real head of

636
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: the game, you know his trajectory is where it needs

637
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: to be. Perk said something about he needs to be

638
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: a family man. I didn't read the whole thing, But Park,

639
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: you're tripping. You just got a hoop and keep getting better.

640
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: He will be the face of the game.

641
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: But Dylan's right, He's going to be everything we think

642
00:26:59,400 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 3: he's going to be.

643
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: He is going to be more.

644
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 3: You just gotta what he can't skip steps right.

645
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: Well, we had conversation and I don't know if this

646
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: is are the chat for this show that they were saying,

647
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: if Tyres wins a chip, is he ahead of Reggie?

648
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: If if Ant wins, if is he had a a KG,

649
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: If Brunson win, is he the greatest? And and if

650
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: Shaye wins the ahead a KD or Russ And it's

651
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: just like it to me, it's not enough under the belt,

652
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: like you gotta consistently do it. And granted, some of

653
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: those guys that I mentioned, the O G guys that

654
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Speaker 1: I played with didn't win rings in those particular spaces,

655
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: or the legends didn't win rings. But it's consistency over

656
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: a number of years of what makes you jump. I mean,

657
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: Kg put what sixteen years or how many years in

658
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: thirteen years in Minnesota and all the shit he did,

659
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: and Reggie put a lifetime in there, and then you

660
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: know you're looking at Patrick Ewan and some of the

661
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: other guys. Although Brunston I think has a chance if

662
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: he can win it to become the greatest Nick. And

663
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Speaker 1: I say that with all the respect Brunton. Yeah, but yeah,

664
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a level of consistency through through a

665
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: year in you're out that gets you to the top

666
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: of these franchises in my opinion, I have.

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Speaker 3: A question for you that goes across a bunch of

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00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 3: NBA discussions I'm having right now.

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Speaker 2: How much is winning?

670
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Speaker 3: Because you know, there's winning and there's misery, right, that's

671
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 3: pat Riley.

672
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: Winning is the only thing blah blah blah blah.

673
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: But we're talking about the y Honest conversation. Should they trade Giannis?

674
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 3: What's the value of having Yannis on your court as

675
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: a buck even if you can't win. I would argue

676
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: for that franchise, you're not getting another Honest anytime soon,

677
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: so they're you know, just being in a hurry to

678
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: tear it down and rebuild.

679
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: Doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

680
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: Like when you talk about who's the greatest Timberwolf player

681
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: to ever be there, or who's the greatest nick or

682
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: who you know? When we talk about the Lakers, right,

683
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: who is the greatest player to wear a Lakers uniform

684
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: is a very different conversation than who is the greatest Laker?

685
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: Right?

686
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: And like, how much is does a ring get you

687
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: everywhere in that discussion? Or is it no?

688
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: Everything else you do but the.

689
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Speaker 1: Bar moves in every situation? Unfortunately, and Rachel, you came

690
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 1: up in the air, and I grew up in an

691
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: air watching and playing and where stars didn't move like

692
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: they would go through spec what Kobe go through a

693
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: five year drought where they were fucking dog shit, you

694
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But he rode that ship, and

695
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: you give that respect. KG rode the ship for thirteen

696
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: years until he finally jumped off and went to Boston.

697
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: So we live in an era where it's it's instant

698
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: gratitude in it, and you see it in sports in general.

699
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: You think about it, and I'll flip to football. Some

700
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: of the great quarterbacks came in and Aaron Rodgers came in,

701
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: and Soath what three years four years behind Brett Farb

702
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: and was able to learn and develop. Now because everyone

703
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: is making some much money in all sports, you get

704
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: thrown in the firepan right off the rip, and if

705
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't pay in your dog shit, you know what

706
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean, or whatever people want to call you, instead

707
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: of allowing that time to develop to your point, you're

708
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: definitely not getting another Giannis. You're not getting no big

709
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: free agents. Dame was a huge move, but it wasn't

710
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: necessarily free agency. It was coming to play with Giannis.

711
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: But if you move him and try to rebuild, I mean,

712
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: you know what you're getting rid of and you know

713
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get nothing back. But again, we live

714
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: in a society now where you know you you do

715
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Speaker 1: you credit or you get mad at Lebron where he

716
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: was the first superstar to really kind of start moving

717
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: and guys see that, and he moved with success. Ron

718
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: moved and went and got three more championships. Now do

719
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: you in the in the in the hierarchy of the game,

720
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Speaker 1: do you look down on him when you're when you're

721
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Speaker 1: when you're talking at the end, because he has a

722
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Speaker 1: bunch of numbers, But if he would have stayed in Cleveland,

723
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: how many chips would he have won? You know, Kobe

724
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: stayed with the Lakers and rode those nasty seasons and

725
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: in won five chips. So it's just I feel like

726
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: the goalpost moves when it comes to player movement these days,

727
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: and who is the best and what route they took.

728
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's all.

729
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Speaker 3: Subjective to me, and also a lot of its chance, yeah.

730
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Speaker 1: Kind of luck, kind of luck, Like.

731
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Speaker 3: It's who gets hurt win, right, it's Jayson Tatum gets

732
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: injured or not. And by the way, I know the

733
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: Knicks we're winning that game anyway. I know, I get it.

734
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: But Jason Tatum being injured changes the trajectory of the

735
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics going forward. It's the bracket. Who do you

736
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Speaker 3: get in the bracket? I think the La Clippers local

737
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: here would have done better if they hadn't run into

738
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: the Nuggets.

739
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: Right.

740
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: So, there's just so much throughout any postseason that is

741
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: just damn luck. And then we sit there twenty years

742
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: later and say, well, he didn't win a title there, right,

743
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: KG didn't win a title there, so blah blah, blah blah.

744
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: It's just I don't know.

745
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: I am reevaluating a little bit when I have all

746
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: these conversations of I get I'm not saying championships aren't important.

747
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: Winning isn't important, But if you get a little new,

748
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: more nuanced under than that, like, is it such a

749
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: big deal that it's the only deal? And I do

750
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: not think it is. As someone who grew up in Washington,

751
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: DC and whose team has not been to the third

752
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: round of the playoffs in forty six years, I can

753
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: tell you that it would have been nice when I

754
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: was a kid to go see a Yanni Senta Takupo

755
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: on my.

756
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: Team wearing my jersey. Even if we're weren't in a

757
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: fucking win a title, it would have been nice. Yeah,

758
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: lovey muxy Boks, but not the same.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting and obviously that's a hot topic because you

760
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: think any team Yannis goes to, as long as I

761
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: have to trade the whole team for him, is it

762
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: going to be a contender. So we shall see a

763
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: lot's been made of, you know, with Indiana and OKC

764
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: or most likely don't want to jinx either of them

765
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: going to end up in the finals. And how both

766
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: these teams through Paul George trades have been built and

767
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: crazy And here's a little bit of a little bit

768
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: of how this is broken down. Actually, yo, I saw

769
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: someone break this ship down. And it started with the

770
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Speaker 1: Rashard Lewis trade.

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00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I did see.

772
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: That. Wasn't that good? Yeah, that was really good. But

773
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: Patiers trade Paul George for Victor Olidipo and Sabonis traded

774
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: Sabonis for Halliburton, and we are where we are next page,

775
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Thunders trade Paul George and I remember this too. This

776
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: was Doc Rivers almost didn't get Kawhi because Kawhi's demand

777
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: was PG and Doc did not want to trade SGA.

778
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Doc did not go back. Doc did not want to

779
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: trade SGA. He saw something in him. He t SGA

780
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: and a ton of picks, and one of those picks

781
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: is now Jalen Williams, first time All Star, second Team

782
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Speaker 1: All Defense. Since we're talking about our guy, Paul and

783
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: Paul you know, I love you, fuck with you, we

784
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: need to get back on the golf course. His current team,

785
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: Philly Rachel, I'm gonna give you the GM president role.

786
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: Both you have both hats on. Do you build around

787
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: MAXI and McCain or do we keep our fingers crossed

788
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: that someday we might get a Joe LMB that's going

789
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: to play a lot of games and lead his team,

790
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: and a Paul George is gonna find the magic.

791
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: He used to have a few things.

792
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: You just said, third pick in the draft right this year,

793
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: third picking the lottery.

794
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: So we just have to remember the Paul George trade

795
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: with the Clippers, and your DOCA is one hundred percent

796
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: on the record, by the way, being like this is

797
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: a mistake, yep, but it was for Paul George and Kawhi. Yes,

798
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: and Sam Presty is a magician, and he was able

799
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: to engineer and participate in and take advantage of a

800
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 3: situation where the Clippers were over a barrel wanting Kawhi

801
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: for reasons by the way, that had more to do

802
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: than basketball and competing against the Lakers.

803
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: That sort of large shadow.

804
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: That he could have possibly went to the Lakers.

805
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 3: He was going to go to the So you remember

806
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: what was going on at the same time, right, because

807
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: Lebron was clearly coming to La Magic supposedly had the

808
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 3: supposedly Magic had the meeting with him, you know, midnight

809
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: oh three. But where I put the supposedly in is

810
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: its supposedly that was like some big sel job.

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Speaker 1: That's the magic man, right.

812
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Speaker 3: I love Magic. By the way, this is not a

813
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: knock on Magic. But Lebron was coming to Lakers. I

814
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 3: mean they could have sent me in a wheelbarrow like

815
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: like Lebron was coming to the Lakers, that is who

816
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: he wanted to come play for. He was going to

817
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: come play for. And Lebron could have demanded they get someone.

818
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: Lebron could have demanded they go out and get Kawhi Leonard.

819
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: Lebron could have played.

820
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: With Kawhi on the Lakers.

821
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: Lebron could have said, hey, go get this guy. He

822
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: didn't do that, and there's pros and cons of him

823
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: not doing that. Look what happened to the Clippers, But

824
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: Kawai said it. He said I'm not coming, and he

825
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: sort of played the Clippers and Lakers off each other.

826
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: He said, well, you know.

827
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: La, I could I could still come home to LA

828
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: and just play for the Lakers instead and go play

829
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: with Lebron and the Clippers.

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00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: The idea for.

831
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: Them of Kawhi and Lebron all across the hall in

832
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: that Lakers locker.

833
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: Room couldn't have It was.

834
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: Just something that seems so deadly for the franchise that

835
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: that's why they made that trade for Paul George, because

836
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: I told, you know, asked them to and said that

837
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: is how I am coming, and that's why they gave

838
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: up so much. So I just when we sit back

839
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: and tell the story of the Paul George trade, it

840
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: was a Paul George for Kawhi swap in the Clippers minds,

841
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: and San Presty only had to give up one of

842
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: those guys.

843
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: For only to give up Paul George to get to

844
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: get all he got. I don't you know. Look, I

845
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: think the sixers are deep in it enough.

846
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: With Embiid, he's not in a kind of tradable position

847
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: because when he's healthy, though he is scoring more than

848
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: a point a minute at times.

849
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: Credible, right, wasn't that when? But we keep saying if,

850
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: though I know, what if everyone over there is drunk,

851
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: if it was a fifth because he when he is

852
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: healthy there there's absolutely no question. And I would even

853
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: argue at times that people are gonna think I'm crazy,

854
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: like I don't know if I'm taking joker Embiid. With

855
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: Embiid is fully healthy because Embid moves around more on defense,

856
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: he could switch out on the pick and roll like

857
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: Embiid went healthy is a problem. We keep saying win

858
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: or if, and it just hasn't. What are we your ten? Yeah?

859
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: He had some freaky shit too though he broke his

860
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: eye at one point.

861
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bell's palsy at one point. That's not his fault.

862
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: Like I mean, there's been some horrible love luck.

863
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: But at the end of the dame, when we look

864
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: at it, like I said, when we're looking twenty years,

865
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: he just he wasn't out there is all and I'm

866
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: a huge embiid as a monster. Then PG is making

867
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty five million until twenty twenty eight, so

868
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: they're in deep with those two guys alone. Obviously. Maxie

869
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 1: McCain third pick, I think.

870
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: What do you do, Darrel?

871
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: You think you're lucky stars the way the lottery worked out,

872
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: because they could have lost that pick, by the way,

873
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: if they were outside the top six.

874
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: So it was just a huge win all the way around.

875
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: And I think in the East that looks like it's

876
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: about to maybe even get weaker. There's no Tatum next

877
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: year if Jannis leaves the conference. And by the way,

878
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: if I am the Bucks and I do trade you, honest,

879
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure as that the Drew Holiday.

880
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: Lesson is real.

881
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: People got to go to the West.

882
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: Do not trade him within the conference.

883
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 3: So if that happens the East is I mean again,

884
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 3: you might be thinking about a comeback because.

885
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: There are some Yeah, it's crazy.

886
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: Right, I'm I'm one hundred percent if I'm Philly, there's

887
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 3: no you're not getting the value you want from moving

888
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 3: one of your big pieces right back.

889
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: See if you.

890
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: Can get if Joelle can now with all the rest,

891
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: he's going to have had and the surgery he had

892
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: and all the stuff. See if he can be more

893
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: of the player you need him to be peek at

894
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: the right time. Paul, George, you and I both think.

895
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: He still got some in the tank. There's no absolutely

896
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: does and he told me too, and I'm obviously not

897
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: going to put his But he went through some real

898
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: shit this season, like real because I would call and

899
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: check on him every once in a while, and he

900
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: went through some real shit this year. And people don't

901
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: understand how heavy that stuff is. Trying to and again

902
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: it's not an excuse, it's just that mental side of

903
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: the athlete is ninety percent of the game, ninety percent

904
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: of the game. So I expect Paul he still has

905
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: something in his tank and something to prove. So would

906
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: you possibly attached this third pick, which is a fairly

907
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: deep draft with one of those stars I mentioned to

908
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: move one of them.

909
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: So again this I'm going to keep saying it.

910
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: What kind of team do you want to see on

911
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: the court? Am I tearing everything down all the time

912
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 3: in the hope of maybe one day drafting someone as

913
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: good as Joel Embiid. So we are just so quick

914
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: right now to be like it's not working. Get rid

915
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: of everyone, tear it down. Let's hope that we can

916
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: get a bunch of picks. Picks don't play basketball. Picks

917
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: do not put people in stands. They're just future things

918
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: floating out.

919
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: In the world.

920
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: Like there is a point where you have to say,

921
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 3: this is my team. These guys are good, my fans

922
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: like them. Let's see if we can give it a go.

923
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: I just think that people are so quick to tear

924
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: down everything constantly.

925
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: You're not getting.

926
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: Value if you have to attach the number three overall

927
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: pick to one of your biggest stars in the hope

928
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: of what's a clearing salary to do what Presty.

929
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: Makes it look so easy, though, Rachel, Well, they haven't,

930
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: won't They haven't.

931
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: And by the way, a lot of people haven't.

932
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: If they do win, yeah, and they are the favorite.

933
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: And I now the Boston's at Boston was my pick.

934
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: I'm going freely. I'll say it over and over.

935
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: But now that Boston's out, like I okay, see, he's

936
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: the obvious pick right now. Like if they win, it

937
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: will still be one title in a sea of how

938
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: many years have we've been talking about this? It is

939
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: hard to win everything has to go right. You have

940
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: to have the team. You have to have the player.

941
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: Your guy has to have a great series. The health

942
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: has to break the right way. The bracket has to

943
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: break the right way. To do all of this roster madness.

944
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: If I am tearing everything up and throwing it out

945
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: to start, hopefully five years from now we can be right.

946
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: Back where we were.

947
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: Right now is insane to be in this NBA. And

948
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: I just I don't.

949
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: Think it's just the era of sports in general. It's

950
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: just what have you done for me lately? There's no hey,

951
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: let's figure.

952
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: It out or chantasy teams great the.

953
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: Process and in Philly's words, like it just doesn't. People

954
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: are too impatient, Teams are too impatient. Owners are wilder

955
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: than ever, and money is crazier than ever. And the

956
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: movement makes our game grow even more so. It's just

957
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: it's it's not what we grew up on.

958
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: I just I don't know. I think there's something too.

959
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: I get it, we're in the era player movement.

960
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: I get it.

961
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: The kids now, I mean, your kids are fans of

962
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: not even a team. I mean, do your kids even.

963
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: Have a favorite team or just players? I know, but

964
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: I know they watched it.

965
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they watched the team like the Warriors, Lakers,

966
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 1: the teams I play for the teams. But those guys

967
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: are on their way out because they.

968
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: But do they still love watching Staff because the fact

969
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 3: that the Warriors only only got to the second round

970
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 3: this year, does that mean that they don't love watching Staff,

971
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: that they don't love watching a war If the Warriors

972
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: are on in November, November, you know whatever, November seventeenth,

973
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: h they're going to still click that.

974
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: Game on, right, yep?

975
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: Like there has to be some value in that for

976
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: fans and teams and teams to be like, we still

977
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: have Jowel Embiid and Philly fans love to wearing that

978
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: jersey with Embad's name on the back. And let's see

979
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: what the big man can do when he's healthy. I

980
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: just to tear it all down, tear it all down,

981
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: tear it all down, give away your future to tear

982
00:40:59,080 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 3: it down.

983
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't like man. Good luck to him be we're speaking.

984
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: I would just love as a fan of him and

985
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: how talented is I want him to be able to

986
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: get some consistency out there. Rachel, thank you for stopping by.

987
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: We will check back in before it's all said and done,

988
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: have a good day. I've teamed up with DraftKings pick

989
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: six for the Conference Finals Wednesday, Game five t Wolves

990
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: first the Thunder. I think Sga will continue on his

991
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: scoring hot streak and he'll have more points than the

992
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: DraftKings pick six people have him marked four and for

993
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: the t Wolves after a rough game, I think Julius

994
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: Randall will rebound and have more points than the DraftKings

995
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: picks pick have him slated at Thursday Game five Pacers

996
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: versus the Knicks. I think Jalen Brunson, after a poor

997
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: shooting performance, will have more points than the DraftKings pick

998
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: six have him slated at. For the Pacers. After a

999
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: big game, I think Pascal Siakam will have less points

1000
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: than the DraftKings pick six have him slated for Welcome

1001
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: back someone we haven't seen for a while because the

1002
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: Lakers have been in care and coon for what a

1003
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: month now? Gino Rose Sparks Davis, how are you bro?

1004
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 4: They calling me the Rock now?

1005
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Baby? That's what someone said the chatter. Who the fuck

1006
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: is the Rock Rock without the row? Baby?

1007
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1008
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: Come on, that's what we have going on so Gino

1009
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: as a basketball fan, someone who's been spoiled with excellence,

1010
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: as a Laker fan, someone who is a gross exaggerator

1011
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: of life, would okay seeing the Pacers be a bad

1012
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: finals to watch.

1013
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: I mean, that's worse than the Cleveland OKAYC Finals that

1014
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: we were anticipating, right, Like, who thought the Pacers would

1015
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: be anywhere close to the finals this year? Come on?

1016
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: And to be honest with you, what do you mean, like,

1017
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 4: it's not haller Burton city if Indiana wins this.

1018
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: Year, I mean, it's going to be a city because

1019
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: he's a current player.

1020
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 4: They're not gonna remember Reggie Miller ever again. If haller

1021
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: Burton wins the fucking championship. Ye, that's the dumb ship.

1022
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 4: Is the reason why I brought you on. He say,

1023
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 4: so they can attack you and.

1024
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Get them.

1025
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 4: Come on, no, but seriously, hold on, but seriously.

1026
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: Good basketball. We talked. I talked about it with Rachel.

1027
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: That's not the big names, it's not the big marks

1028
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: necessarily outside of New York. But I feel like, and

1029
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you, I think it is going to

1030
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: be an OKAC Pacers final. And although it's not traditional,

1031
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: it's not I still Both those teams are playing really

1032
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: good basketball. Both those teams are deep. Both those teams

1033
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: coaches are out there doing their thing. One thing about Carlisle,

1034
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: He's been able to make adjustments on the fly and

1035
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: a lot has gone into the success of the Pacers

1036
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: and where they're at. But I still think, although it's

1037
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: not the box office we think of when we think

1038
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: of the NBA NBA Final, I think it's going to

1039
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: be a very competitive finals. I don't know what the

1040
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: numbers and the ratings will do, but it'll definitely be

1041
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: some good basketball.

1042
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 4: I mean for non casual fans, come on.

1043
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: You're right or OKAC as a whole, and the SGA

1044
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: is the m v P and then Halliburton's been Is

1045
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: that going to draw people? We shall see. We don't know.

1046
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: There's been a video going around of Luca, and Luca

1047
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: looks like he's in great shape. He heard you and

1048
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the fans there he is. Look at him,

1049
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: slim thug. That's the one thing I said. And obviously

1050
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: he came in the midst of the season. LA is

1051
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: not a place that you're going to take so much

1052
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: heat and criticism about shit that you're going to work

1053
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: on whatever needs to be worked done. And obviously we're

1054
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: not even maybe a month away from when they last

1055
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: finished playing. And Luca looks in great shape. So when

1056
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: you see him in that type of shape after you

1057
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: said you should the team should trade him, what do

1058
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: you think?

1059
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the first point of business for him. Yes,

1060
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: you know, because he's taking hell in the media for

1061
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: being chubby, you know what I mean, can't put down

1062
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 4: the plate drinking bud.

1063
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: He has a body frame like you. Yeah, Yeahhall, absolutely yeah.

1064
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 4: But I'm hot out here though, so but yes, it's

1065
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 4: a good start for the city to see him taking

1066
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 4: the shit serious. It's the first point of business and

1067
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to next season to see what he

1068
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 4: can really do. I think he saw the old video

1069
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: of himself at Dallas and really got inspired by that.

1070
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: When young Luca was looking and turn it out on people.

1071
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: Word is I saw something earlier today that Broun is

1072
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: most likely to opt out of his fifty two million

1073
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: dollar deal at this point in his career. Is this

1074
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: something where you see he'll opt out take less to

1075
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: hopefully bring other another talent in.

1076
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I would speak volumes of his character. I

1077
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: mean he has enough money. Man Like, I don't think

1078
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 4: it's a financial thing for him, but you know who,

1079
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: I can't talk about a man's pockets.

1080
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: As a fan. Do you hope that actually absolutely? Could do?

1081
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and plus it will save his career, So should

1082
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: he make an adjustment to safe some more years of

1083
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 4: his career.

1084
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know what I think. And it's because we

1085
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: always know that Braun is in peak shape. He does

1086
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: everything he can do. The fact is the fact, though

1087
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: he's getting older, and we saw he just ran out

1088
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: of gas came come late in the season. So it's

1089
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: just like, I think, to your point, if there's any

1090
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: way to be able to add more, and we saw

1091
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: right off the rip Roblink came out and said there's

1092
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: been some demands made and we're going to go out

1093
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: and do our best to meet though. So it'll be

1094
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: interesting to see the way that situation shakes out. And

1095
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, the Lakers always somehow, some way make something happen,

1096
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely interested to see what can work out

1097
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: as the team is currently constructed, and again with Bron

1098
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: going into your twenty two next year or twenty three three,

1099
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: holy shit, twenty three going into year twenty three next year.

1100
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: The players you bring in moving forward are those to

1101
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: work around Luca or to work around Bron's last couple

1102
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: of years in the league.

1103
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 4: I think both can be true. Lebron still the guy

1104
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 4: for our team no matter how you look at it.

1105
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 4: What can we bring in though?

1106
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: To thank you? Guys need some dogs, some wing defenders

1107
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: that really get out there, possibly three and D.

1108
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: So a Giannis tre wouldn't help us.

1109
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: Gianni is going to your team would help anything, but

1110
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: it would help anything. But it's just you know, how

1111
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: does that work? Numbers wise? Has Austin reeves he's someone

1112
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: wins he up next year or the year after. Yeah,

1113
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: he's on one of the most favorable deals you'll ever get.

1114
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: He's going to demand and I'm something people think I might.

1115
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: He might fuck around and get north of one fifty

1116
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: maybe two hundred million from another team the way he

1117
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: US have played. So is that an asset that you

1118
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: possibly look to move? There? Adamant about not moving him.

1119
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of ifs and what ifs. They're

1120
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: going to happen this season or summer, this free agency.

1121
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what happens The

1122
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: Bucks hope that Doc rivers presence will convince Giannis to

1123
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: stay longer. Reported by Mike stein Onto the Coop and

1124
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: Rivers are believed to have a strong working relationship. Is

1125
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers the reason Jannis won't force a trade?

1126
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the case. I think that

1127
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: city is just in a bad situation. You know how

1128
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 4: it goes when you win a championship and then your

1129
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 4: expectations are so high afterwards, What could they do over there?

1130
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: Like Giannis is the only hope for that city for

1131
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 4: the next decade, Like, why would you want to move

1132
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: your star? Like, let's be honest, I wouldn't want to

1133
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 4: move our star.

1134
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: You got to be interesting to see if he and

1135
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: he's never been a guy that he's very been very

1136
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: loyal and hasn't even allowed conversation to really be brought up.

1137
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: He's always dead it, but he's not dead in it anymore.

1138
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: So it'll be really crazy to see him move to

1139
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: your point small market like Milwaukee. He's done everything he's

1140
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: done there and accomplished there. You know you're not going

1141
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: to get anything near the return of what he's been

1142
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: able to give you. But we live in a society

1143
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: of what have you done for me lately? And we

1144
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: live in a society of player moving and in particular

1145
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: superstar movement. So will he join the you know, the

1146
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: train to get to a bigger market and a situation

1147
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: to win? We will see uh Man. Moving ahead to

1148
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: the women's game. I got a chance to take Ava

1149
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: and one of her friends for eighth grade graduation to

1150
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: a sparse game the other day, bro and I was

1151
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: so impressed with kel Plumb. So obviously she ended up

1152
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: with what did she score that game? Third? Or twenty

1153
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: eight and eight and three? But it was a slow

1154
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: start for her. But it wasn't only how hot she got,

1155
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: but it's the way she moves and orchestrates the offense

1156
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: and it's always encouraging on. I hadn't seen her playing

1157
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: a while, and obviously I got a chance to see her

1158
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: playing person in Vegas, and obviously her role on that

1159
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: team was different with Asia and all the talent they

1160
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: had over Chelsea Gray and those ladies over there. But

1161
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: with this team that's kind of obviously Cameron brings coming

1162
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: back and what's her name's coming back to? Yeah, you know,

1163
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: not fully healthy. The way she's playing thinks she's averaging

1164
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: twenty five a game, but I was just really impressed

1165
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: with just the way she ran that team bro and

1166
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: and the big after big shot after big shots she hit.

1167
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: I'll also say that was the first time I got

1168
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: to see Angel Rees playing person. And no matter how

1169
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: much shit people talk about her, she has a huge

1170
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: fa Like in LA, there were people screaming her name

1171
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: and cheering for when she did good shit. She's got

1172
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism lately with Caitlyn clarkshit. I'm not

1173
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: even going to get into that, but what I'll say

1174
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: is like she works her fucking ass off on the boards,

1175
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: whether she's rebounding her shot or not. She's rebounding and

1176
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: she plays with the motor, and I think there's a

1177
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: big debate about her and her she's leading league and

1178
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: rebounding I think it nearly fourteen points a game, and

1179
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: some people's offensive repertoire come in the league ready for

1180
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: that league. Whatever NBA or not or WNBA, she'll get

1181
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: her offensive. You know, it's situation down. But she's nearly

1182
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: at a double double consistently, you know what I mean.

1183
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: So I think the hate and criticism she takes is

1184
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: more from people that just just want to talk shit

1185
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: and don't necessarily watch the game and see that there

1186
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: is definitely potential there. But yeah, man, I had a

1187
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: good time. Ava had a good time. It was good

1188
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: to get to a Sparks game. I hadn't been one

1189
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: in such a long time. I was there with KD.

1190
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: I saw Katie.

1191
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was chilling. We had a good time, caught

1192
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: up a little bit, talked a lot of shit. Be

1193
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: interesting to see where he goes this off season. I

1194
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 1: heard the Spurs are ready to make a move for him.

1195
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: Where would you see who is more likely to move

1196
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: in your Opinionani, KD?

1197
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: KD for sure, he's up out of there.

1198
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: And three spots you wouldn't mind seeing KD.

1199
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 4: I mean, first spot for him would be going to

1200
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: Houston and get on with that team. Another spot would

1201
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: be OKAYC again, you know, depending on especially if they

1202
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: lose in the finals this year, if they even make

1203
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 4: it to the final, but if they lose in the finals,

1204
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 4: they'll be looking to change that team, maybe just a

1205
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 4: little bit, so you don't think so. And then my

1206
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 4: third team is Golden State, obviously interesting, but you don't

1207
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: think they'll be reade.

1208
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: The movie anybody too young, too young, and who you

1209
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: would have to give up to get a kd is

1210
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: Or would you give up Jayden, a young Jalen Williams.

1211
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: Would you give up a chet someone who's been huge

1212
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: for them offensively and defensively, Dort Island. Dort has shown

1213
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: in Knee he's a motherfucker. He's already shown, but in

1214
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: these he's with help. He's given at Edwards hell. So,

1215
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they have a lot of pieces, but I

1216
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: just don't think this team is too young to do

1217
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: any kind of adjustments. I think Hardenstein needs to look

1218
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more aggressive offensively. I think

1219
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: that would help their team. But outside of that, I

1220
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: think this team is a set for the next handful

1221
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: of years. But Gino, it's good to see you back.

1222
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Rock is what they're calling you in

1223
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: the streets these days. Brick oh brick. Now all right, bro,

1224
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. Absolutely. It's a wrap. You can

1225
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: catch us on all the Smokes productions, YouTube and the

1226
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Speaker 1: DraftKings Network. We'll see y'all next week.