Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, October first, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Show, where we totally.
Speaker 2: Remember we have a show. Today. It's me and rand
Speaker 2: mg Marcus Grand joined by Michael f.
Speaker 1: Florio and Lakwan Jones, and we are turning the page
Speaker 1: on week four, getting ready for Week five. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about some deep dive waiver wire, some folks you can
Speaker 1: put back on the waiver wire. But fellas, let's start
Speaker 1: with our big questions for week five and beyond and
Speaker 1: Florida the big one here. I was gonna limit it
Speaker 1: just to are we done with the Ravens tight end?
Speaker 1: Specifically thinking of Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely, But we'll
Speaker 1: just sort of expand this out to the pass catchers overall,
Speaker 1: because the receivers haven't really been all that great. Are
Speaker 1: we just sort of what are we doing with the
Speaker 1: Ravens passing game right now?
Speaker 3: I think it's time for Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely
Speaker 3: to comfortably hit the bench to two weeks in a row.
Speaker 3: Mark Andrews has not scored a fantasy point or played
Speaker 3: half of the snaps, and Isaiah Likely had more targets
Speaker 3: in Week one than he has the last three games combined.
Speaker 3: Zay Flowers is an interesting one because two games already
Speaker 3: this year he has double digit targets and then the
Speaker 3: last two he has six targets combined. But those were
Speaker 3: both games where the Ravens had very large leads, in
Speaker 3: like three touchdown leads. So I think it's very game
Speaker 3: script dependent this offense. The issue is most weeks they're
Speaker 3: going to be playing with the leads, so Zay Flowers
Speaker 3: is probably like a boombust wide receiver three. But yeah, look,
Speaker 3: I had said the Ravens tight ends were gonna have
Speaker 3: a big role in this game. I thought it would
Speaker 3: come as pass catchers and not you know, having the
Speaker 3: announcers keep track of how many big run blocks they have.
Speaker 2: But that is where we are with the Ravens tight ends.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we got points for blocking, then we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be worried about Mark Andrews at this point. Uh,
Speaker 1: he would be in our starting lineups. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this Lakwan and I'm moving up at the
Speaker 1: receivers or the pass catchers. In general, there's not a
Speaker 1: big gap like Isaiah likely leads with one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty seven yards, We're Shaan Bateman at one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty four. They're all bunched together. None of them are good.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I honestly think like we had this
Speaker 4: information for some time now about the Ravens pass catchers,
Speaker 4: Like this is kind of what happens. They get into
Speaker 4: a run heavy, you know, offense, and that's kind of
Speaker 4: been their identity. So like, well, we're looking at a
Speaker 4: Flowers like like Flora said, he has to hit the bench,
Speaker 4: Like I'm only playing him by matchup, but I really
Speaker 4: feel like people who are drafting him, they already have
Speaker 4: that expectations, they already have that information and knowing like
Speaker 4: this isn't a start and forget every Sunday, you know,
Speaker 4: every single week type or deal like Zay Flowers is
Speaker 4: so explosive, Like you love watching him make the plays.
Speaker 4: You love watching him, you know, getting out and burning guys.
Speaker 4: But then it's like, eh, well this might be a
Speaker 4: run heavy game, so like you might not get much
Speaker 4: of the Zay Flower points that we're hoping in love
Speaker 4: you know, every single week.
Speaker 2: It's frustrating, super super frustrating.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, over in Indianapolis, Joe Flacco stepped in for an
Speaker 1: injured Anthony Richardson in Week four, played really well. Continued
Speaker 1: his string of just coming out of the pitch and
Speaker 1: playing well. Did it last year in Cleveland now in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're still sort of waiting some
Speaker 1: definitive updates on Anthony Richardson, But LaQuan is it now
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco season?
Speaker 2: And what does that mean?
Speaker 4: I honestly think they should be very cautious Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4: So I honestly would like him to sit out this
Speaker 4: game because that injury looked really bad to the hip
Speaker 4: and then they put him in the next play and
Speaker 4: he just looked god awful coming off the field. But
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco brings some spark to this offense where you
Speaker 4: start believing in the Josh Downs, you start believing even
Speaker 4: the tight ends. You know, you start getting everybody involved
Speaker 4: where he can support multiple pass catchers. Where this is
Speaker 4: great news, you know for guys that went out there
Speaker 4: and got a Josh Downs off the waiverbar, because he
Speaker 4: had a breakout game this season, and it's like Josh
Speaker 4: Downs is a really good target option. He's a guy
Speaker 4: that plays out of the slot. Great separator, and then
Speaker 4: now we get a life that we know that Michael
Speaker 4: Pittman can show up and show out and put up
Speaker 4: the big points as a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 4: So I'm hoping it's Show Flaco season.
Speaker 1: I think there's a bigger conversation that we had, maybe
Speaker 1: not on this episode, but one down their line about
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks versus veteran quarterbacks because you look at the
Speaker 1: top of the fantasy standings at the position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Jayden Daniels is number one, he's been great.
Speaker 1: After that, the whole lot of older guys, some guys
Speaker 1: who maybe bounced around the league a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got your Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnolds or Justin Fields's.
Speaker 1: We're not seeing the youth near the top of the
Speaker 1: fantasy standings the way we have in years past. I'm
Speaker 1: maybe I should be asking myself this question before I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, what on earth is going on with
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk and how worried should we be?
Speaker 3: I am starting to get worried. I have been continuously saying,
Speaker 3: like by low On on Brandon Ayuk, the big game
Speaker 3: is coming, It's coming, blah blah blah. There's been opportunity.
Speaker 3: Brock Purty leads the NFL in passing yards, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't think that's getting enough talking right now. No team
Speaker 3: has had more opportunity to give this guy yardage and
Speaker 3: have a good game than the forty nine ers two
Speaker 3: weeks ago. No Kittle, no debo. You're like, all right,
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 2: A prime spot.
Speaker 3: They go and drop a near fifty piece for Juwan Jennings,
Speaker 3: and then even yesterday third wide receiver behind Deebo and Jennings,
Speaker 3: we saw the touchdown go to Kittle. Brandon Ayuk is separating,
Speaker 3: but something seems off.
Speaker 2: I mean he's throwing.
Speaker 3: A temper tantrum in practice about the wrong shorts since stuff.
Speaker 3: I still believe he's I believe he is going out
Speaker 3: there and separating. I don't know what is going on,
Speaker 3: but my stance continues to be if someone wants to
Speaker 3: give me Brandon Nyuk on a discount, I will take
Speaker 3: the shot on this offense and that talent of the
Speaker 3: player really on no other stuff other than vibes and
Speaker 3: thinking like this guy he is still there's no signs
Speaker 3: showing that he has slowed down or he lost a
Speaker 3: step or anything like that. Eventually, he's going to look
Speaker 3: like Brandon Nyuki again, So I would just be betting
Speaker 3: on the talent now more and hoping it gets right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm not long term concerned about Brandon Ik.
Speaker 1: I know it's been frustrating for folks who have him
Speaker 1: waiting for something big to pop. It hasn't quite happened yet,
Speaker 1: but you know, he's had at least five targets in
Speaker 1: every game. He had ten targets in that game against
Speaker 1: the Rams the week before, So eventually it's gonna come together.
Speaker 2: But it does sort of look like early in his
Speaker 2: career where.
Speaker 1: It's just the little things where he's just sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, beefing with the coaches over like little silly things,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's impacting his play on the field, but
Speaker 1: he's still too talented. The offense is too good. Like
Speaker 1: it's gonna come around, hopefully sooner than later. For folks
Speaker 1: who I know are getting little antsy about, you know,
Speaker 1: having him in their lineups. Yeah, you know, I think
Speaker 1: I think he'll be okay long term. Look, this it's
Speaker 1: been four weeks, right, this is basically his preseason. So
Speaker 1: now hopefully next week, next week against the Cardinals, maybe
Speaker 1: next week it starts to come together for him. You know, look,
Speaker 1: he's but I think they're going to Arizona. It's him
Speaker 1: going back to Arizona State where he played his college ball.
Speaker 2: Another home. Never mind, forget all that part. Uh uh.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we did the kind of the full waiver wire
Speaker 1: on Monday show.
Speaker 2: You can go check that out.
Speaker 1: But now we do our little deep dive waiver wire
Speaker 1: options and uh lakwan who is a deep dive waiver
Speaker 1: wire option for you?
Speaker 4: In Week five, Wide receiver Trey Tucker Man, he's doing
Speaker 4: all the basic things over there, you know, in Vegas
Speaker 4: for Garner Minshew getting open and really look at his
Speaker 4: opportunities in the last two weeks eighty two percent of the snaps,
Speaker 4: fifteen targets, twelve catches, nineteen fantasy points per game man
Speaker 4: and what Adams he could be missing some time. Tucker
Speaker 4: brings that big Blay option to rosters. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: the Raiders will have to continue on being creative with
Speaker 4: his touches. I mean right now he's on the wire
Speaker 4: for eighteen percent of the roster ship so he's likely
Speaker 4: out there for you. So if you're looking to get
Speaker 4: your fantasy points in chunks. This guy could stretch the field.
Speaker 4: They're running him out of the backfield. They're doing everything
Speaker 4: possible with Ray Tucker, and I think this is a
Speaker 4: great option for rosters if you're hurting at that flex
Speaker 4: position here.
Speaker 1: Also very curious to see what is the long term
Speaker 1: situation with Davonte Adams. They're in Las Vegas, you know,
Speaker 1: and that is going to certainly impact Trey Tucker's availability
Speaker 1: in his production for fantasy managers. You had another receiver
Speaker 1: down the depth trot a little bit floya that you're
Speaker 1: looking at this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Noah Brown. And I know people might be like, well,
Speaker 3: Zakayas had the big game this week, and he did,
Speaker 3: but he ran just nine routes. And that's what stands
Speaker 3: out to me. Noah Brown is this team's wide receiver too.
Speaker 3: He ran the second most routes amongst all of their
Speaker 3: wide receivers yesterday. Terry ran twenty five, Noah Brown ran
Speaker 3: twenty three. And then we saw like Zachaiyas McCaffrey a
Speaker 3: couple of other guys rotating in and out on those
Speaker 3: secondary spots. But if you are a wide receiver like
Speaker 3: like Noah Brown, who has had a history of success
Speaker 3: at the NFL. We know he could stretch the field
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And now you're playing with the
Speaker 3: quarterback like Jayden Daniels on an offense that has been
Speaker 3: as good as the Commanders has been. You are going
Speaker 3: to get my attention. And look, if you playing like
Speaker 3: a ten team league or even maybe a shallow twelve
Speaker 3: team league, I don't think you need to run to
Speaker 3: the waiver wire and grab him. But for those of
Speaker 3: us in deeper leagues than that, where the waiver wire
Speaker 3: is really thin, uh, someone like Brown and you could
Speaker 3: get him for a minbid. I am sure it is
Speaker 3: someone that I'm going to take a chance on because
Speaker 3: I think as long as he's seeing the field consistently
Speaker 3: with Jaden Daniels, there's upside moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean the way we all of a suddenly want
Speaker 1: all these pieces of the Washington offense, uh, speaks to
Speaker 1: what this is going to be. And you're right, I
Speaker 1: think you know you're not go to You're gonna spend
Speaker 1: a lot of fab to get the Noah Brown on
Speaker 1: your roster because there're gonna be a lot of folks
Speaker 1: that are pursuing him this week. Kareem Hunt when when
Speaker 1: the Chiefs added him were kind of like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: this feels like a depth per depth ad. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna make a fantasy impact.
Speaker 2: Wrong.
Speaker 1: He was immediately productive for Kansas City. Uh, played nearly
Speaker 1: as many snaps as samaj p Ryan, had fourteen carries,
Speaker 1: also had three targets, so it was sort of like
Speaker 1: he never left. I mean, they worked him right back
Speaker 1: into the offense and this was him just you know,
Speaker 1: having gotten there after being a free agent.
Speaker 2: Yes, he knows Andy Reid's offense.
Speaker 1: Sure, that definitely helps, but the fact that he was
Speaker 1: able to just jump right in and be a big
Speaker 1: part of what the Chiefs were doing suggests that he
Speaker 1: is going to really be an impact player going forward.
Speaker 1: We talked on Monday show about the injuries in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: where this offense is it's not the explosive Chiefs offense
Speaker 1: we've been used to seeing, but it's very apparent that
Speaker 1: kream Hunt is going to have a role here going forward.
Speaker 1: And for a lot of folks who are short at
Speaker 1: running back, because that's kind of where we are right now,
Speaker 1: Cream Hunt could really.
Speaker 2: Be a really important asset for you the rest of
Speaker 2: the way. So those are deep waiver wire dives.
Speaker 1: If you're adding somebody, you gotta be saying goodbye to somebody.
Speaker 1: So who are you putting back in the free agents pool?
Speaker 4: Loo kwon Ooh, I'm putting Trevor Lawrence right there on
Speaker 4: the wire. And I know a lot of people are
Speaker 4: thinking like why man, but he's been very underwhelming. I'm
Speaker 4: tired of looking at him on my bench while I
Speaker 4: watch guys like bakers Am, Darneld, Andy Dalton and so
Speaker 4: going to be Joe Flacco if he gets in, you know,
Speaker 4: for week to week, because I'm tired of not trying
Speaker 4: to drop him when I want to add a guy
Speaker 4: on a waiver wire and I choose another player that
Speaker 4: goes off the next week because I'm saving it for
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence in my one quarterback leagues. But I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna keep rocking when Donald until the wheels fall off.
Speaker 4: And Andy Dawn in another league where I feel as
Speaker 4: though he's going to be more useful down the line
Speaker 4: during the stretch because they're own four right now. It's
Speaker 4: not good over there in Douvaal, so they need to
Speaker 4: figure it out. Before you know, Trevor Lawrence reaches any
Speaker 4: roster anymore, So bye bye.
Speaker 1: They're owing four and Lawrence has had less than one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty passing yards in three of four games.
Speaker 1: Uh did have two touchdowns on Sunday, for whatever that's worth.
Speaker 1: But it's it's been a struggle. His best Fantasy game
Speaker 1: of the year so far, it's been fourteen points.
Speaker 2: It is. It is a slog with Trevor Lawrence. Uh Floria,
Speaker 2: who are you waving goodbye.
Speaker 3: To Zumier White. I was big on not drafting Zamir White,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately I took him in one league.
Speaker 2: It's a really deep league. So so I'm still.
Speaker 3: Holding on to him there. But look look at like yesterday,
Speaker 3: sixty percent of the snaps, You're like, okay, finally he's
Speaker 3: playing more snaps in Alexander Madison seventeen carries, You're okay,
Speaker 3: this is what we wanted. This is the volume we
Speaker 3: signed up for. He's still Alexander Madison had five carries
Speaker 3: and one target yesterday and still outproduced Zamir White. Like
Speaker 3: at some point we just got to say, like, Zamir
Speaker 3: White is not the guy you know who he is.
Speaker 2: He is Alexander Madison.
Speaker 3: He looked good when he had to come in for
Speaker 3: a handful of games on a team that was rejuvenated
Speaker 3: and stuff. But over the course of a seventeen game season,
Speaker 3: he cannot be that guy. And Alexander Madison. Last year
Speaker 3: this happened to him on the Vikings, So the fact
Speaker 3: that now it's happening to Zamir.
Speaker 2: White is hilarious to me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if I had to roster one of these,
Speaker 3: give me Madison because he is seeing the goal on
Speaker 3: work and the passing down work, and those are the
Speaker 3: valuable touches in fantasy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tweeted yesterday, Alexander Madison is the Raiders' best
Speaker 1: running back and it's not close. Right now looks so
Speaker 1: much more explosive. He's gonna be the guy going forward
Speaker 1: to mere White. It's just it's hard to see a
Speaker 1: path forward. He's not getting goal line touches, he doesn't
Speaker 1: catch the football, the Raiders don't score a lot of points.
Speaker 1: It just feels hard to make a case to certainly
Speaker 1: to start him, maybe even to keep.
Speaker 2: Him rostered at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mentioned that Kareem Hunt was a waiver wire.
Speaker 1: Ad Well, Carson Steele can go back to the waiver
Speaker 1: wire at this point. I mean, he was a nice
Speaker 1: option when it just seemed like it was gonna be
Speaker 1: him and p Ryan getting touches. Now that Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: is there, and the way he just stepped in and
Speaker 1: immediately took control of that backfield from the first game
Speaker 1: and you had the Carson Steel play I think I
Speaker 1: believe it was eleven snaps on Sunday, just a couple
Speaker 1: of carries, no targets. Obviously, he is going to be
Speaker 1: the third option in this offense. And again, it's not
Speaker 1: the same Chiefs offense. It's gonna score a ton of points.
Speaker 1: We're not looking to go that deep in the offense.
Speaker 1: It's just not really feasible to keep Carson Steel right
Speaker 1: now on your fantasy rosters. There are other places you
Speaker 1: can go if you need running back help. Carson Steele
Speaker 1: is just not going.
Speaker 2: To be it.
Speaker 1: This for the foreseeable future looks like a Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: samaj p Ryan backfield there in Kansas City. Uh, And
Speaker 1: you can sort of, you know, work around that and
Speaker 1: figure it out the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Weird times that the Chiefs are not.
Speaker 4: I mean, two fumbles lost, man, I know Andy Reid
Speaker 4: hates to fumble in the ball, so that could be
Speaker 4: why Kareem Hunt got to step up and got all
Speaker 4: these touches.
Speaker 2: So yeah, unfortunate either way.
Speaker 1: It uh, you know, it's it's tough times in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: has means tough times for fans.
Speaker 3: Everyone was ridiculous for saying that Samaj p Ryan was
Speaker 3: going to hurd Isaiah Piccheco.
Speaker 1: The Uh yeah, that's uh, that's kind of where we
Speaker 1: are right now. It's it's wild, wild times for sure. Anyway. Uh,
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