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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got a major Trump indictment watch on

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Speaker 1: that he is a talented person. And again, do I

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Speaker 1: think that he has what it takes to win a

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Speaker 1: Republican nomination. No, but he's pretty explicitly gotten in this

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Speaker 1: race as an attack dog to try.

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Speaker 3: To ding up Trump. And you know, if anyone, given that.

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Speaker 1: He has very little credibility with the Republican base, if anyone,

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Speaker 1: given that they have that hand to start with, could

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Speaker 1: ding up Trump and create problems with for him and

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of muddy the waters in a way

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Speaker 1: that Trump famously is able to do. I do think

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Speaker 1: that Christy is the type of political talent who has

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Speaker 1: a shot to be able to do that. And then

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Speaker 1: maybe that bolster's Wanda Santis's case that you know, this guy,

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Speaker 1: you may like him, but it's just chaos, it's just

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Speaker 1: a mess. It's just exhausting to have to deal with

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Speaker 1: him in the news cycle every single day. And so

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Speaker 1: maybe that does play in a sense into Rondo Santis's

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Speaker 1: hands and the implicit case that he is attempting to

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Speaker 1: make against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: It's possible. That's my only you know, Yeah, I personally

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Speaker 2: don't see it.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm trying to make the best case

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Speaker 3: I can.

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Speaker 2: It's just tough. I mean, you know, it's at a

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Speaker 2: certain point, you know, with these guys are so delusional.

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Speaker 2: It's like, guys, we ran this whole experiment, Chris Christy,

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Speaker 2: you literally ran in twenty sixteen, you got fifth in

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire. You imploded your whole shtick. It didn't work,

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Speaker 2: and that's when people were uncertain about Trump. People are

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Speaker 2: even more enthused about Trump. Yeah, today you've got a

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Speaker 2: same divided field.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Christy actually thinks he could win or

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Speaker 1: you think he's just in there like I'm gonna mess

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Speaker 1: up Trump.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can ever underestimate the egos on

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Speaker 2: every single one of these people. Every they are.

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Speaker 3: They all think they're God's shift to the world.

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Speaker 2: They really do Titanic And you know, whenever you have

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Speaker 2: that type of ego, you can convince yourself of anything.

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Speaker 2: You know, being humble is one of those where if

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Speaker 2: you are even a little bit compared to the other guy,

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Speaker 2: they're probably gonna win. You know, in the long run,

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Speaker 2: to get to the point of where they are. They've

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Speaker 2: all had to sacrifice and give up so much, you

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Speaker 2: know that they all think like, hey, there's a shot,

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Speaker 2: and the shot is enough, you know if you care

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Speaker 2: about power. So yeah, that's the way I see it.

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Speaker 3: True, very true.

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Speaker 1: And then in modern presidential politics, the worst that happens

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Speaker 1: is like you lose, but you get a lot of

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Speaker 1: media attention. Then you can go work for CNN or

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Speaker 1: Fox News or who however you position yourself. There's some

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Speaker 1: internal Desantist polling that they gave to the New York

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Speaker 1: Post that is interesting in a number of ways. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. So they say that

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Speaker 1: DeSantis is gaining on Trump, that he's in a virtual

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Speaker 1: tie in Iowa. This is according to his internal polls. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So first of all, with regard to internal polls, you

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Speaker 1: always got it. This is like the best of the

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Speaker 1: best case scenario for the candidate that is leaking the polls,

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Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. To start with, they show,

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Speaker 1: if you had in Iowa a head to head matchup,

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Speaker 1: DeSantis is still losing to Trump, but within the margin

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Speaker 1: of air, they have Trump at forty five percent support

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Speaker 1: in Iowa. And DeSantis at forty three percent support. This

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Speaker 1: is an improvement from a previous poll that they say

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Speaker 1: had Trump at fifty three percent and DeSantis at thirty

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Speaker 1: nine percent before he entered the race. This is clearly

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Speaker 1: an attempt from the DeSantis camp to regain some kind

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Speaker 1: of momentum, some kind of media narrative after most of

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Speaker 1: the polls showed his launch resulted in no poll gains

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Speaker 1: for him, which is a real you know, that's a

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Speaker 1: real problem for him. But the problem is that it's

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Speaker 1: not going to be a head to head race in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: So this very same poll, when you open it up

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Speaker 1: and you include the full cavalcade of candidates who are

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Speaker 1: actually running in the race, you still have Trump winning.

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Speaker 1: You've got Trump at thirty nine percent support, to Santus

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Speaker 1: at twenty nine Tim Scott at seven percent, Nikki Haley

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Speaker 1: at six percent, Pence and Ramaswami at four percent, and

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Speaker 1: nobody else cracking one percent. So even in the best

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Speaker 1: case scenario, internal poll from the DeSantis campaign that they're

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Speaker 1: putting out to the press in the state where he

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Speaker 1: is probably performing the best, even with all of those

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Speaker 1: factors still going his way, you still have Trump on

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Speaker 1: top by ten points.

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Speaker 2: Yep, there you go. That's the ultimate Gordian knot, as

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Speaker 2: we will continue to describe it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I will say, you know, I'm again trying to

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Speaker 1: like trying to make the other side of the case

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Speaker 1: this show. But DeSantis did get handed one positive piece

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Speaker 1: of news, which is that the governor of New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: Krista Nunu, is taking a pass.

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Speaker 3: He is not running.

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Speaker 1: And that's important for DeSantis because New Hampshire is obviously

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Speaker 1: a very critical early state as well, where DeSantis also

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Speaker 1: needs to win. Krista Nunu nationally may not be all

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Speaker 1: that well known, but in the state of New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: he has very high approval ratings. I think I consistently

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Speaker 1: see him rated as one of the most popular governors

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Speaker 1: in the country. Even though New Hampshire, you know, bess

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Speaker 1: is a swing state, is really more sort of leaning

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Speaker 1: towards the blue. As a Republican governor, he's very popular there,

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Speaker 1: so he would have probably done pretty well in that primary.

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Speaker 1: That would have been a problem for DeSantis. So he

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Speaker 1: did get that piece of good news. But we got

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Speaker 1: to bring you know, the real big breaking news. We're

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Speaker 1: sort of bearing the lead here for all of the

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Speaker 1: Doug Burgum Bros That are out there, which is that

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Speaker 1: the governor of North Dakota, whose name is Doug Bergen,

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Speaker 1: he has officially jumped into the race as well. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen to a little bit of his pitch

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Speaker 1: to the voters.

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Speaker 6: My dad died when I was fourteen, freshman year of

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Speaker 6: high school. They pulled me off our basketball team bus

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Speaker 6: and told me the news. I grew up in a

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Speaker 6: tiny town in North Dakota. Woke was what you did

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Speaker 6: at five am to start the day, a place where

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Speaker 6: neighbors rally around you. My mom was our rock, our hero.

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Speaker 6: I started a shoeshine business, worked at the Grain elevator,

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Speaker 6: and has a chimney sweep, paid my way through college,

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Speaker 6: then earned an MBA from Stamford. I ignored those who

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Speaker 6: said North Dkota was too small, too cold, and too

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Speaker 6: remote to build a world class software company. So I

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Speaker 6: literally bet the farm to help build a tiny startup

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Speaker 6: into a billion dollar company with customers in one hundred

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Speaker 6: and thirty two countries.

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Speaker 1: I also trying to do the like Reagan throwback pitch,

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Speaker 1: and I will say he does have one thing going

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Speaker 1: for him. I asked my fifteen year old what her

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Speaker 1: take was on this video, and she said that he

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Speaker 1: looks like a patriotic eagle and that that seems like

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Speaker 1: a good thing in terms of presidential candidate. That he

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Speaker 1: looks the role. So he does have that going for him.

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Speaker 1: But you know, this is another one where it's like,

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Speaker 1: where does your confidence come from? Because no one knows

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Speaker 1: who you are. Right, yes, you're governor of a state.

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Speaker 1: It's a state with a very small population, and word

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Speaker 1: of your doings there haven't really escaped the North Dakota corridor.

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Speaker 1: But I think not only is he, you know, a governor,

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Speaker 1: which certainly seems to feed these people's egos, but he's

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Speaker 1: also a wealthy tech executive and a lot of times

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Speaker 1: these business guys think like, oh, well, if I could

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Speaker 1: start a company, I can do absolutely anything. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to the last element in hear A six and put

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. One question that I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of Republican primary voters are probably going to have

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Speaker 1: for him is there was a big controversy within North

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Speaker 1: Dakota about his dealings with regards to Bill Gates. To

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put this tear sheet up on the screen,

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Speaker 1: so they say, this North Dakota farmland purchase is sturring

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Speaker 1: a lot of emotion. The sale of a couple thousand

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Speaker 1: acres of prime North Dakota farmland to a group tied

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Speaker 1: to Bill Gates has stirred emotions over a depressionaire law

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Speaker 1: and meant to protect family farms and raise questions about

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Speaker 1: whether the billionaire shares the state's values.

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Speaker 3: They go on to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about how Gates is considered the largest private owner

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Speaker 1: of farmland in the country, with some two hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty nine thousand acres across dozens of states, which is

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Speaker 1: something we've talked about here on the show as well.

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Speaker 1: And Saber the rub comes in because Bergham is a

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Speaker 1: former Microsoft executive, he received campaign contributions from Bill Gates

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Speaker 1: though he has, you know, direct ties to Gates, and

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Speaker 1: then allows this massive farmland sale to go through and

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Speaker 1: North Dakota's are very uncomfortable with this.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the Republican base not a.

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Speaker 1: Big lover of Bill Gates at this point, so I

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Speaker 1: think there will probably be some questions about these dealings

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Speaker 1: in terms of his prospects in the race.

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Speaker 2: They should be and you know, where does this confidence

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Speaker 2: come from. I looked it up. He's worth one point

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Speaker 2: five billion dollars, so you know that's again he can

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Speaker 2: never underestimate the egos on some of these people. I

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Speaker 2: made a billion, so that means I can do this,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, well, you know, sometimes those skills are

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Speaker 2: not linked. And you know, the sale of this farmland

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Speaker 2: is no joke. We're talking about thousands of prime North

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Speaker 2: Dakota farmland that was given to this Gates aligned group

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Speaker 2: and helping him become one of the largest private owners

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Speaker 2: of farmland in the entire country. Entire question, but like,

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Speaker 2: what do you want that for. He's been tied, you know,

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Speaker 2: previously to like the whole meatless agenda, and like what

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Speaker 2: does he want? Why is he controlling all of this?

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Speaker 2: He's got enough money. The Agricultural Commissioner and others said

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Speaker 2: that people were in North Dakota were very upset by

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Speaker 2: this because they felt like they were being exploited by

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Speaker 2: out of state you know, the ultra rich who are

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Speaker 2: acquiring these very precious assets. And he's somebody who was

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Speaker 2: intimately and deeply linked to it. So if I was him,

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Speaker 2: I would want to keep my head down amongst Republican

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Speaker 2: voter being some you know, tech billionaire with ties to

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Speaker 2: Bill Gates and direct like at least shady you know,

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Speaker 2: sales of land. But again, you can never underestimate just

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Speaker 2: how titanic the ego is for these people.

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Speaker 3: I think that is right. So anyway, that's all your

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Speaker 3: your Bergenbro News. That's what you get. We got for you.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if the launch, you know, gives them a

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Speaker 1: big bump in the polls from the zero percent he's

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Speaker 1: at to maybe like one percent as people learn about him.

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Speaker 3: But that's what we got for you. On the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four watch.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the PGA. So I don't golf.

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Speaker 2: I've been to the driving range twice. But you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously we've covered PGA live golf and everything that's been

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Speaker 2: happening there now for quite some time. Here, especially the

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Speaker 2: hypocrisy of so many of the players and others who

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Speaker 2: say that they are going to stand up. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're American, all America, all that, and they're willing to

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Speaker 2: take millions of dollars from the Saudi's one of those individuals. Bryson. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure I say this correct the

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Speaker 2: golf guys, otherwise we'll get mad, Crystal Yea and check me.

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Speaker 2: Bryson de Schambeau correctly Dhammad d Chambo so Bryson d

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Speaker 2: Schambeau star golfer attached to the Live Golf I guess

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Speaker 2: Tour took a huge payout from them. Appeared recently on

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Speaker 2: CNN after the announcement of the PGA and Live Golf

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Speaker 2: potential merger. He was asked about Saudi Arabia and its

652
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Speaker 2: ties to nine to eleven and specifically the criticism of

653
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: nine to eleven families, and his response is everything as

654
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: to how people can get completely bought off and start

655
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: talking in circles and just sound like complete idiots. Here's

656
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: what he had to say.

657
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 7: Well, I think we'll never be able to repay the

658
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 7: families back for what exactly happened just over twenty years ago.

659
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 7: And what happened was is definitely horrible. And I think

660
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 7: his time has gone on. Twenty years is passed and

661
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 7: weren't a place now where it's time to start trying

662
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 7: to work together to make things better together.

663
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: As a whole.

664
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 7: I have deep sympathy. I don't know exactly what they're feeling.

665
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 7: I can't ever know what they feel, but I have

666
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 7: a huge amount of respect for their position and what

667
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 7: they believe, nor do I ever want anything like that

668
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 7: to ever occur again. I think as we move forward

669
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 7: from that, we've got to look towards the pathway to peace,

670
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 7: especially in forgiveness, especially if we're trying to mend the

671
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 7: world and make it a better place.

672
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

673
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 7: I mean, look, it's unfortunate what has happened, and that's

674
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 7: something I cannot necessarily speak on is I'm a golfer.

675
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 7: But what I can say is that what they're trying

676
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 7: to do, what they're trying to work on, is to

677
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 7: be better allies, because we are allies with them. And look,

678
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 7: I'm not going to get into politics of it. I'm

679
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 7: not specialized in that. But what I can say is

680
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 7: they are trying to do good for the world and

681
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 7: showcase themselves in a light that hasn't been seen in

682
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 7: a while. And nobody's perfect, but we're all trying to

683
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 7: improve in life.

684
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Nobody's perfect, We're all trying to improve in life. We've

685
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: got to find the path to forgiveness. For helping support

686
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: the murder of three thousand American citizens on nine to eleven,

687
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: how did these just say they paid me a ton

688
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 2: of money. I'm not going to sit here a talk

689
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: about nine to eleven.

690
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: Just say it exactly. Yeah.

691
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: See, that's the thing that drives me crazy, is that

692
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: there is no justification for this.

693
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 3: Right.

694
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: They asked him about Caitlyn Collins there, asked him about

695
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, also asked him about Jamal Kashogi, you know,

696
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: the brutal dismemberment of by the way, a Washington Post journalist.

697
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: I think that was the answer when.

698
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: He gave like it nobody's perfect, Like, dude, there is

699
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: no justifying it.

700
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 3: Just be honest.

701
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: It irritates me so much when they pretend to have

702
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: all these high minded values like, oh, we really want

703
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: to grow the game and make it a global sport,

704
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and they really have these high minded ideals about like

705
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: expanding the No, they want to use you to sports

706
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: wash their reputation and you want the money, you want

707
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: your bag. Okay, it would be a lot less gross

708
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: if you were just honest about what is clearly the

709
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: nature of your dealings here. Now, as you know, Sagar,

710
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: I've become an accidental like go expert because of Kyle.

711
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: He tells me that Bryson is kind of an odd dude,

712
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: even with regards to like his game is unusual. He

713
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: was one of the he's one of the sort of earliest,

714
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: most aggressive live golf sellouts, and I would also recommend

715
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: to live golf like this guy is not doing you

716
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: any favors. Clearly he's incapable of doing the spin that you.

717
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: Need him to do.

718
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: You should definitely not encourage him to do these sorts

719
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: of appearances because he's not helping out live golf, he's

720
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: not helping out the PGA. It's just creating even more

721
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: embarrassment and making manifest and making even more plain the

722
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: insane hypocrisy here, especially listen on the PGA side with Monahan.

723
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable because he was willing to use these nine

724
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: to eleven families back when he was at war with

725
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: Live to say look at you know, the human rights atrocities,

726
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: and no PGA golfer has ever had to apologize for

727
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: their association and then just discards them and makes clear

728
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: that he actually had no human rights concerns. It was

729
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: just all about the money all along. And it's so

730
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: gross to see the whole thing unfold.

731
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bryson Dishambo got one hundred and twenty five million.

732
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: He should just say, listen, this is an opportunity to

733
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: accumulate generational wealth for me and my family, and I'm

734
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: not going to pass up on that. I understand that

735
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: some people are upset, but if you were in a

736
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: similar position, I bet you would do the same thing.

737
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: Guess what, you should have just said that, and I

738
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: think a lot of people would have been like, Okay, yeah,

739
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: you know what. I get where the guy is coming from.

740
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: It's the government's job to keep Saudi Arabia out if

741
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 2: they're going to be in. Well, you no, don't hate

742
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: the player, hate the game. Let's move to the next part.

743
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: As you alluded to with the PGA commissioner and the

744
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: way that these guys have twisted themselves into notts J

745
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: Monahan around nine to eleven is they use these people.

746
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: As you said, they literally used the nine to eleven

747
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: families as props. They held them up in their criticism

748
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: of live Golf. They said no PGA two players ever

749
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: had to apologize. They alluded to the immorality of live

750
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: golf beforehand and before they announced their surprise potential merger

751
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: between the PGA and Live also going for profit again,

752
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: showing that it is all about the money. And what

753
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: I want people to understand is we're not exaggerating when

754
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: we say that they use them. They said it multiple

755
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: times on camera when they were at war with Live Golf.

756
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: Here's what Monahan had to say.

757
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 8: Well, I talked to players, I've talked at a player meeting,

758
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 8: and I've talked to a number of players individually for

759
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 8: a long period of time, and I think you'd have

760
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 8: to be living under a rock to not know that

761
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 8: there are are significant implications. And as it relates to

762
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 8: the families of nine to eleven, I have two families

763
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 8: that are close to me that lost loved ones, and

764
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 8: so my heart goes out to them, and I would ask,

765
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 8: you know, any player that has left, or any player

766
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 8: they would ever consider leaving, have you ever had to

767
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 8: apologize for being a member of the PGA Tour?

768
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's what he had to say. Then that's

769
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: that was his original criticism of which, by the way,

770
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: okay got people close to him. We lost people on

771
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. So immediately after the merger, he goes

772
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: on the Golf Channel where they ask him like, Hey,

773
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: what about these nine to eleven families? Who are pissed off.

774
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: Look at him now, look how much he's changes to Jay.

775
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 9: The nine to eleven Families United made a strong statement yesterday.

776
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 8: They said, you co opted the nine to eleven community

777
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 8: and taking a moral stance against live.

778
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: How would you respond to that group?

779
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 8: Well, I I read Terry's comments. I I, you know,

780
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 8: obviously acknowledge her loss and completely understand her position. And

781
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 8: to the question that you were just asking, you know,

782
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 8: I wish I think about the fact that I allowed

783
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 8: confidentiality to prevail here, and in allowing confidentiality to prevail,

784
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 8: I did not communicate to very important constituents, including the

785
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 8: families of nine to eleven, and I regret that I

786
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 8: really do. But as we sit here today, you know,

787
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 8: I think I think it's important to, you know, to

788
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 8: reiterate that I feel like the move that we've made

789
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 8: and how we move forward is in the best interests

790
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 8: of our sport. We've eliminated those fractures. But for for

791
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 8: any any difficulties I've caused in that front, again, I

792
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 8: have to own that as well. And that comes back

793
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 8: to communication.

794
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: Just tell the truth, don't just say listen, it was

795
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: about the money they paid me A ton of money.

796
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: We're all going to get filthy, fantastically rich. There was

797
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: no way to outspend them. And I apologize, or maybe

798
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: don't even say that, and be like, I have nothing

799
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: to apologize for. I did what was in the best

800
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: interest of myself and of the players monetarily. But because

801
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: that is such a disgusting and moral thing, he can't

802
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: he can't find a way to actually tell the truth.

803
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: It just obfuscates and goes around like, well, you know, understanding,

804
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: and I have empathy, but you know, it's like, what

805
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: are we doing here? This is just all so gross.

806
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: Right, And what it shows you is, you know, these

807
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: guys who are high level sports executives and running major

808
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: sports leagues. Part of how they get in that position

809
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: is by being very effective spin masters. So when even

810
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: someone like him cannot do anything other than stumble and

811
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: bumble around and fumble over his words and offer ultimately

812
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: zero justification, it tells you what a grotesque, hypocritical place

813
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: they've gotten themselves into.

814
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: Because part of the issue for him Soger.

815
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Is he can't now go and say, well, we just

816
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, couldn't beat him, so we'll join them.

817
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of money at stake. So that's

818
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 3: what we're doing.

819
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: Because he tried to take the moral high ground so

820
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: aggressively when this was all unfolding and when it was

821
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: to his benefit. So for him, it's an impossible position.

822
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: There really is no going back. And you know, I

823
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: have no insight into like the internal politics of how

824
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: this all works, but I wonder if he's going to

825
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: be able to hold onto this position because and we're

826
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: going to get to this in a minute, but if

827
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: you're one of the players that didn't take the bag

828
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: that got offered hundreds of millions of dollars, and you

829
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: actually believed in the principles, and you thought that Monahan

830
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: was sincere in his sort of like virtuous stand against

831
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: just taking this money from this uh, you know, authoritarian,

832
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: human rights abusing regime, and you said no to that.

833
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: And now the guys who did sell out, who did

834
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: take the bag, like they're laughing all the way to

835
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: the bank, and you know, ultimately like winning this whole exchange.

836
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how you. I don't know how you

837
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: get over that.

838
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: I really, I'm one hundred percent with you. The one

839
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: thing that's given me some hope is the I would

840
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: call it bro media. The sports guys, they are livid

841
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: with him with moin ahand let's gohea and put this

842
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Dave Portnoy put this out

843
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: a quote. Again, I don't know how Ja Monhan sleeps

844
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: at night. He co opted nine to eleven victims for

845
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: the moral high ground. He clearly didn't give a shit

846
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: about them. He's just using their pain as a marketing tactic,

847
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: special type of hell for guys like that. Klay Travis

848
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: over at OutKick also came out, you know, just savaging

849
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: the PGA commissioner. And I think that is what you know,

850
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: really grinds a lot of people, is that you use

851
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: these people literally as pawns, as props for your business

852
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 2: dealings and for somebody like that, yeah, you should burn.

853
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: You should absolutely burn in hell. And you know, for

854
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: exactly for example, as you alluded to, let's put this

855
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: up there. You know, Tiger Woods turned down between seven

856
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: hundred to eight hundred million dollars to play for Live Golf.

857
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: Now we don't exactly know why exactly he decided to

858
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: do so, but it's very possible that one of the

859
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: reasons that he did so was not only out of

860
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: you know, loyalty or whatever to the PGA where he

861
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: started his career. But you know, Tiger is an American

862
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: icon and has one of the most famous He's probably

863
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: one of the most famous athletes in American history. And

864
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: you know, you can't say that the Saudi connection didn't

865
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: have at least some sway maybe in his decision not

866
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 2: to do so, you know, from an overall branding perspective.

867
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, look, it's not like the guy.

868
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's not like the guy wasn't you know,

869
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: he's on his second act, Like he's lost a lot

870
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: of his blue chip sponsors and all that. Obviously he's

871
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: got a turmoil in his personal life, so he would

872
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: be within his you know rights to secure another bag

873
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: for his family and just say, look, you know, this

874
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: is it. I'm going to die a multi billionaire, this

875
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: is my last chance. This is guaranteed cash. And he

876
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: decided not to do it. And you know, he turned

877
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: that down. At least somewhat of the decision, hopefully, was

878
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: about principles. So how can they look them in the eyes?

879
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: How can they look at any of the PGA to

880
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: players that turned down massive offers in the eyes because

881
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: now they missed out on a generational payout and they

882
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: might end up working for the same boss. That is,

883
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: do what. It's just a thing not right.

884
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: You're forcing all of these guys to get in bed

885
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: with this dirty money, and at least if they were

886
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: going to sell out, they could have sold out for

887
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: the much higher price than than were being offered up front.

888
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean Tiger obviously already very wealthy man,

889
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, but even for someone who's already very wealthy,

890
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: seven one hundred and eight hundred million dollars is a

891
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: whole lot of freaking money that he turned down, you know,

892
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: to to stay loyal to the PGA tour.

893
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: You know.

894
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: There's one more piece of this that we wanted to

895
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: to make sure to note, and our friend and friend

896
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: and partner Matt Stiller has certainly been highlighting, which is

897
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: that there are questions about how this deal is structured

898
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: and whether it is going to survive anti trust scrutiny.

899
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: Put this last part up on the screen. This was

900
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: a report from Bloomberg. They say that this marriage risks

901
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: scrutiny from anti trust authorities both here and also in Europe,

902
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: because there's a European PGA tour that is involved in

903
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: this transaction as well.

904
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: One of the things Soger.

905
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: That's interesting is they've gone out of their way not

906
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: to actually call it a merger. They also note in

907
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: this report they didn't even consult with an anti trust lawyer,

908
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: which seems kind of foolish if we're being honest. And

909
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: you also have a lot of Democratic senators and other

910
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: representatives who are already saying they've got a problem with this,

911
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: and they've got a problem with it from an anti

912
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: trust perspective. We know that the Biden administration and with

913
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: Lena Khan involved and other you know, trustbusting type regulators

914
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: have taken have been much more skeptical of major mergers

915
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: and have you know, pursued legal action in a much

916
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: more aggressive way than past administrations in recent memory. So

917
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: there is still an open question of whether this thing,

918
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: at least in its current form, even ultimately goes through.

919
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, we want to make sure we flag that

920
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: there's no guarantee that this actually goes through at all.

921
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: But regardless, the nine to eleven families were betrayed, and

922
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: so were many of the players. I hope that they

923
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: revolt at leads in some way. You know, I don't

924
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: know what recourse that they have, but they've got to

925
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: have some something where. And yeah, I hope, I know.

926
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: There was some talk of maybe they're going to form

927
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: the players will form a union now and they have

928
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: more power in any of these future negotiations.

929
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: So we'll see where it goes.

930
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: Okay, now, let's go to the next part here. I

931
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: have been salivating to get to this. Michael Schellenberger over

932
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: at his newsletter publishing an absolutely shocking new reports. Go

933
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen. Quote. US

934
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: has twelve or more alien spacecraft, according to military and

935
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: intelligence contractors. So Michael is reporting this after Dave Grush

936
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: came forward to give us the broad contours of the program.

937
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: He said, the United States government is lying to the

938
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: American people. There are multiple alien spacecraft which are in

939
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: the possession of the United States government, of which they

940
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: have covered up now for decades, and which they have

941
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: obfuscated from Congress. Crimes themselves have been committed. Here is

942
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: why this is very important, Michael writes. Quote, multiple sources

943
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: close to the matter have come forward to tell public

944
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: the Grush's core claims are accurate. The individuals are all

945
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: either high ranking intelligence officials, former intelligence officials, or individuals

946
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: that we could verify were involved in the US government

947
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 2: uapaka UFO efforts for three or more decades. Each. Two

948
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 2: of them have even testified as recently as last year

949
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: to both the committee investigating this inside the penic On

950
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: and to the United States Congress. The individual says they

951
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: have been presented with credible and verifiable evidence the US

952
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: government and US military contractors possessed at least twelve or

953
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: more alien spacecraft, some of which have been shared with

954
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: the Pentagon office responsible for testifying before Congress, and which

955
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: they have refused to currently provide. Now, this is very important.

956
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: They are putting a number twelve or more that is

957
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: either true or it's not true. That's something that Congress

958
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: can look into and tell us whether this claim is

959
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: accurate or it's not accurate. The more specific that these

960
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: things get, the more it becomes difficult for them to

961
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: deny or not. This also comes on the heels of

962
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: a statement actually from the Pentagon directly refuting this claim.

963
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead, guys and put the Fox News tearsheet

964
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: here up on the screen, because after Dave Grush came forward,

965
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: the Pentagon released a very lengthy statement. Susan Go, who

966
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: UFO people will be familiar with, said directly, there is

967
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: quote no verifiable information to substantiate the claims she says,

968
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: quote to date arrow, this office has not discovered any

969
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the

970
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: possession of reverse engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in

971
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: the past or exist currently. She also said that they

972
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: welcome the opportunity to speak with any former or current

973
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: government employee or contractor who believes they have information relevant

974
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: to the historical review. Now, the reason why I think

975
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: this is important is there was the one caveat word

976
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: in there, verifiable. And the reason why is because verifiable

977
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: is one whereas long as there is plausible deniability at

978
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: least somewhere baked into the documents, they can come forward

979
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: and say there's no verifiable information that this program has

980
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: existed or whatever in the past, as long as it's

981
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: even one percent in their dispute. There are always holes

982
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: in these words and in their denials that have come

983
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: forward around this office that they say they haven't been

984
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: presented to. But also there's a formal presentation process. They

985
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: can say that it wasn't done in the right way.

986
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: There are all many different holes that they can jump

987
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: their way through, Crystal. So I think if you pair

988
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: a couple of things together, Dave Grush is obviously an

989
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: incredibly highly credible person. I encourage people watch the News

990
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: Nation document documentary. Dave Grush is grilled. He's asked very

991
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: specific and difficult questions. He handles them well. People who

992
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: knew him while he was in the office have come

993
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: forward to testify this is not a crank, this is

994
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: a real person. You need to take what he's saying

995
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: very seriously. On top of that, we have this new

996
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: report from Michael Schellenberger making things even more specific, saying

997
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: multiple intelligence former contractors coming forward talking to them, talking

998
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: to him about what has inside of this office, and

999
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: we continue to see the Pentagon they're not budging at all.

1000
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 2: And look, someone is lying. Either Grush is lying and

1001
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: sources to Michael S. Shellenberger are lying, or the Pentagon

1002
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: is lying. And I'll let people make up their minds.

1003
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 2: So what do you make of this this new breaking

1004
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: material for Michael S.

1005
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: Shellenberger, Crystal, I mean, I'm trying as hard as I

1006
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: can to keep my skeptic hat on, because I think

1007
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: it's important to do that.

1008
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 3: And it is becoming very difficult.

1009
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: It's becoming very difficult because good, okay, it's one thing,

1010
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: if it's just if it's just one guy, right, that's

1011
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: one thing. You can dismiss him. Oh sure, you know

1012
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: his colleague said that he was upstanding. But you never know,

1013
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: people can like lose their marbles and you can, yeah,

1014
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: or indulge some sort of fantasy or whatever. Like you

1015
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: could potentially dismiss one person, and the US government could

1016
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: potentially dismiss one person. Lord knows, I'm sure they're in

1017
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: the process of digging up every you know, rent bill

1018
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: that was laid, or time he didn't mow the lawn

1019
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: or whatever they can find on this man. Right, So

1020
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: one person is one thing. When you start to have

1021
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: other people who say, yeah, he's right, I you know,

1022
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: saw evidence of the exact same thing. And when you

1023
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: start to get this level of specificity, I don't know,

1024
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: it becomes increasingly difficult to dismiss, especially given some of

1025
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: the things that we're about to show you new reports

1026
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: coming out, you know, as we speA can just on

1027
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: the number of anomaloust events that already the government admits

1028
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: like they can't really explain. Now they'll try to spin

1029
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: it with their press allies of like, well, we you know,

1030
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: we haven't been able to rule in that this is extraterrestrial,

1031
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: but they haven't been able to rule it out either or.

1032
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: Explain what these objects specifically are.

1033
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: So I think the job of the skeptic is becoming

1034
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: increasingly difficult to maintain over time.

1035
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: And listening to the level of specificity they gave Michael quote,

1036
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 2: every five years we get one or two recovered for

1037
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: one reason or another, from either a landing or that

1038
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: we catch or that they just crash. A different contractor

1039
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 2: says quote, there were at least four morphologies different structures.

1040
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: Six were in good shape, six were in not good shape.

1041
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: They were cases where the craft landed the it's left

1042
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: the craft unoccupied. There have been high level people, including generals,

1043
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: who have placed their hand on the craft. I have

1044
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: no reason to disbelieve them. One source described having seen

1045
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: three kinds of craft, including one shaped like a triangle.

1046
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know where I've seen that one before. Another

1047
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: that quote looked up like a chopped up helicopter with

1048
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: the front bubble of a hueye with the plastic windows,

1049
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: or like a deep sea submarine with a thick piece

1050
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: of glass bubble shaped, and where the tail rudder should

1051
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: have been it was black egg shaped pancake and instead

1052
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: of landing gear, it had upside down rams horns that

1053
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: went from the top to the bottom and rested on

1054
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: the ends of the horns. Wow. I mean, look, this

1055
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 2: person either is either schizophrenic or they're telling the truth.

1056
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: And it's one of those where I don't know, I

1057
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean the most common again, let's play

1058
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: the skepticat it could be the Dave Grush and all

1059
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: of these other people are delusional, are literally psychotic. And

1060
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: I think anybody who has ever who has ever interacted

1061
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: with someone who generally has mental illness Christ, a lot

1062
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: of them send us to emails about things that we

1063
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 2: just have to report on. It's possible they believe it.

1064
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: It's one of those where you know, you can look

1065
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: in their eyes and you're like, yeah, you believe what

1066
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: you are saying. Doesn't mean that's true. But this is

1067
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: such a credible person evidence coming forward with their resume.

1068
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: I mean, just listening to the level of specificity that

1069
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: I just gave everyone. And the problem is that for people,

1070
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: you know, the radar just has to go up of like,

1071
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: come on, you know, this is so fantastical. And you know, look,

1072
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: I agree, and I was that way for a long time.

1073
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: But you know, so many of these people are so credible,

1074
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: people like Commander David fravor people like Ryan Graves who

1075
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: we've had here on the show. I mean, you really

1076
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: are going to tell me that they're crazy. I just

1077
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: don't believe you. And this is where, you know, the

1078
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: human instinct has to come into play. And then we

1079
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: also have to combine all of the knowledge that we

1080
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: have outside of the UFO issue about the way that

1081
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: Pentagon lies. They obfuscate, you know, you know, obfuscate information.

1082
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: They withhold things from the American public for decades, like

1083
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: the Pentagon papers, like Afghanistan, you know, Afghanistan, Vietnam. There's

1084
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: no reason to believe that on a highly secret topic

1085
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 2: like UFO, something would literally shatter the earth if something

1086
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: came forward, you know, in terms of our understanding and

1087
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: consciousness of human nature, that yeah, they could pull it off,

1088
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: and they absolutely would lie to us. So I don't know,

1089
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: you know, I continue. I try my best to play skeptic,

1090
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: but I've yeah, I don't see the holes in the

1091
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: way that a lot of other people do.

1092
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: The part that's the hardest maybe well, I mean, just

1093
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: the whole idea is pretty hard to wrap your head around.

1094
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: But in terms of, you know, our knowledge of our government,

1095
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: our government operates, et cetera. Like we know certainly they

1096
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: will lie to you every day of the week and

1097
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: not think twice about it, and typically do lie to

1098
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: us every day of the week and not think twice

1099
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: about it. But we also know that there's an operating

1100
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: level of incombonence. And that's the piece that you know,

1101
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: does keep me somewhat skeptical because what they're positing here

1102
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: is a multi decade, multi generational cover up not only

1103
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: from our own government, but in concert with other governments

1104
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: around the world, again over decades and decades, Like would

1105
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: they really be able to orchestrate that? Would they really

1106
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: be able to keep everybody silent? Would they really be

1107
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: able to keep all of this hidden? All of these

1108
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: you know, twelve plus crafts that they have, and those

1109
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: are just the ones in US government possession. Who knows

1110
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: what you know?

1111
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: Russia? The form former Soviet Union.

1112
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: Or Brazil or whoever else whatever they've been able to

1113
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: get their hands on. That's a part where I'm like, God,

1114
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: it's just hard for me to imagine that they would

1115
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: be able to so effectively keep this all under wrapped

1116
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: for all of these years. So that's the part that

1117
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: I always get tripped up on, is that's it's hard

1118
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: for me to believe that they could really effectively do

1119
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: that over all of this time.

1120
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: Again, you know, I agree, and then you know, I

1121
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: point back to Charlie manson point, or think about this

1122
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: if you want an international conspiracy, Enigma, the Enigma program

1123
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: from Alan Turing cracked the Nazi code. They didn't reveal

1124
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: that they had cracked that till the nineteen seventy three

1125
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: or something like that, the decades after they had done so.

1126
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: And that was literally an international conspiracy spanning multiple different governments,

1127
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 2: and a lot of people worked on it and knew

1128
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: that it existed, and it never came out till the nineteen seventies.

1129
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff like that where you know, look,

1130
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: if you do it the right way, you can keep

1131
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: it a secret. I mean, we spent ten billion dollars

1132
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: or whatever on the Manhattan Program. It didn't leak until

1133
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: we dropped the bomb. So it's not like things can't

1134
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: be done. It just takes a high level of sophistication,

1135
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: the right people in charge. And you know, maybe they

1136
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: can't do it in a huge government wide scale, maybe

1137
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: they were able to do it on a UFO wide scale.

1138
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 2: In other words, Transformers was a documentary. It's a joke.

1139
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to the next part here. This

1140
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: is this again. I keep getting pulled in. This one

1141
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: is stunning. We have a shocking nine to one one

1142
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: call made by Las Vegas residents about a craft and

1143
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: alien beings that apparently landed in their vicinity. And before

1144
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: once again, don't keep keep my reminder, some people are crazy,

1145
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: some people are psychotic. But you have body camera footage

1146
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: of a police officer in the Las Vegas area who

1147
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: actually sees something up in the sky that uh lit

1148
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: light up and actually coming down. And then you also

1149
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: see the police officer go and verify this information with

1150
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: some of the people who called in the nine to

1151
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: one one and said that they had seen something. And

1152
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to let you all judge this for yourself.

1153
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: We've got the clip here from local news from Las

1154
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 2: Vegas media around what happened. Let's take a listen.

1155
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 5: I swear to gods as an adult, this is actually so.

1156
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: There's two people or two subjects matter in your backyard.

1157
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 9: Correct, And they're very large.

1158
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 7: They're Nicelius was.

1159
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 9: Big eyes that have big eyes like like I get

1160
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 9: excited and big got mouth.

1161
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 10: There are tiny eyes and and they're not human one

1162
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 10: hundred percent of a humans.

1163
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 9: Well, the eighthes that investigators obtaining video as officers then

1164
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 9: responded to the call you just heard. You'll see the

1165
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 9: officers also saw something in the sky that night. But

1166
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 9: the big question is what was it and is it

1167
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 9: all connected. It's almost midnight on May first, when a

1168
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 9: Las Vegas Metro Police officer's body cam catches this something

1169
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 9: flashing low in the sky. Minutes later, there's a there's

1170
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 9: like an eight school person beside it and another one's

1171
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 9: inside and it has big eyes.

1172
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 7: They're looking at us, and it's through there.

1173
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 9: Someone calls nine to one one reporting two large figures

1174
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 9: in their backyard. I'm so nervous right now. The eighties

1175
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 9: Now investigators obtaining another officer's video as he sent to

1176
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 9: the Northwest Valley home.

1177
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: I have butterflies, bro, I saw the shooting stars. These

1178
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: people say there's aliens in their backyard.

1179
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 9: By now, it's more than an hour after that bright

1180
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 9: light officers meeting up with the collar and his family.

1181
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: Would you see it was like it was like a

1182
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: big creature, A big creature.

1183
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a textism.

1184
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna be yes, you guys. One of my

1185
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 10: partners said they saw something following this guy too, So

1186
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 10: that's why I'm kind of curious. Did you see anything

1187
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 10: Bryant in your backyard?

1188
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 5: Or they see like a big They say they see

1189
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 5: like a big.

1190
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: Like a big something with late But I sat right now,

1191
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: I do believe in it.

1192
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 9: Police walk into the backyard to investigate, but Metro blocked

1193
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 9: out that part of the video because it's considered private property.

1194
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: What's clear they're taking this call seriously.

1195
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 10: Hey, this might sound like a really dumb question, but

1196
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 10: did you guys see anything fall out of the sky?

1197
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: Asking others what they saw, I mean.

1198
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 10: Normally discount as nothing. However, seeing as one of my

1199
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 10: partners said they saw it too. The only reason I'm

1200
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 10: actually investigating a part.

1201
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 9: That investigation turning up no concrete answers as a Wednesday,

1202
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 9: whatever or whoever fell into that yard long gone within minutes.

1203
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Crystal once again. You know, look, maybe all these

1204
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: people are crazy. Maybe it's a highly secret government black

1205
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: program from Area fifty one. But let's combine it with

1206
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: all the other UFO lore that we know. Obviously, Area

1207
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: fifty one is nearby Bob Latar himself, you know, he's

1208
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: somebody who was in the area who allegedly at the

1209
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: or sorry, yeah, allegedly you know, saw some of these

1210
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: craft and tests and all these other things that were

1211
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: being blown and thrown about there. It's a long part

1212
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: of UFO lower this area of the country, or it's

1213
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: a highly secret government black program. But what gets me

1214
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: is the level of seriousness which wish this family is describing,

1215
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, this incident, and also the fact that the

1216
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: Las Vegas PD kind of blacked out, you know, whatever

1217
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: they did see there in the backyard. So, I don't know,

1218
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: what did you make of this one?

1219
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: I mean, what can you make of it?

1220
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: Like the only thing you could Maybe it's like at

1221
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: a lab or hoax and we're just being totally taken

1222
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: in by it, right between these cops and the local family.

1223
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1224
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: That's the only explanation I could come up with that

1225
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: isn't just what they claimed that it is on its face.

1226
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a weird one. That's a hard

1227
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: one to dismiss. And you know, you've really brought me

1228
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 1: into this world. And the more that I see these

1229
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: like the what happened in Bargia, Brazil, all of this Marginia,

1230
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: all these you know, corroborating accounts and all these just

1231
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: regular people, like not weirdos or obsessed with UFOs. Not

1232
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: that you have to be weirder to be obsessed with UFOs,

1233
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: no offense UFO community.

1234
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: But these aren't cranks.

1235
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: They're normal people who didn't even want to talk about

1236
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: what had happened and had to be like dragged to it.

1237
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: And then their stories all line up, and you know,

1238
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: you see this one, it's the same thing.

1239
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 3: You've got it. You're literally seeing the body camp footage

1240
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 3: of something happening.

1241
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: And then in the same area, family being like, there's

1242
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: these nine foot tall things in my backyard.

1243
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. I don't know, Sager,

1244
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1245
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: I don't know either. Uh yeah, look, they could all

1246
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: be nuts. It could be a hoax. They could be

1247
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 2: completely mistaken, could be an animal, could be you know, burglars.

1248
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: The mind wants to think linearly. The mind wants to think, yeah,

1249
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of what easily it's been in

1250
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 2: the most of the time that is true. But some

1251
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: things are fantastical and actually do happen and have happened,

1252
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: you know, in the past. And you know, at a

1253
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: certain point you got to you got to take people

1254
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: also at their word. You've got to disprove, and you

1255
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: got to or at least you've got to prove and

1256
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: rule out all those other explanations. And clearly LA or

1257
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: Las Vegas PD, LBPD or whatever they're called, they also

1258
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 2: were very struck by what was happening there, and enough

1259
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: so the community there is clearly you know, they think

1260
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: that something happened. So maybe it did, maybe it didn't.

1261
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, these things come across our radar,

1262
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: like the pilots, you know, seven eighty seven pilots, seven

1263
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: thirty seven pilots, like, man, there's something crazy going on

1264
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: up here. And then the audio gets leaked and everyone's like,

1265
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, and then everyone moves on. So look,

1266
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,479
Speaker 2: you know, well maybe we'll find out.

1267
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 3: Can I ask you you probably thought this through.

1268
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: Like, let's say it's all true, craft, the investigation, the

1269
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, the sighting Las Vegas for whatever.

1270
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: Let's say it's all true. Like what does that mean?

1271
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 3: Like what happens that I don't know?

1272
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I just I haven't gotten there yet,

1273
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: because I actually think too many people focus on that,

1274
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: and you know, like what is it? I have, no

1275
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: there's no way to predict. You know, some people predict

1276
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: like a great coming together. I actually don't believe that.

1277
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,479
Speaker 2: I believe too little of humanity. I think I think

1278
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: it will Obviously a lot of people won't believe it.

1279
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: Some people it would just have to be so ironclad

1280
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: the way that it comes through. Again, I honestly have

1281
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: not spent too much time thinking about that because I'm

1282
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: just so focused on whether it's true or not and

1283
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: actually getting that information out. And I just think that

1284
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: we have humanity is too complex of a system to

1285
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: actually predict. I've read enough sci fi to see it

1286
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: go multiple different ways. My personal favorite, if anybody wants

1287
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: to know, is the three body problem that the book

1288
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: out of China, which to me that one actually kind

1289
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 2: of nailed the way that I think some of this

1290
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: might all go down, but who knows. We absolutely have

1291
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: no idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have people obviously, there's a lot of

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: people who already believe are feel like we have enough

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01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: evidence to say like this is happening.

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Speaker 3: It's an ongoing reality.

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Speaker 1: You have a lot of people who even if the

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Speaker 1: government was like, all right, you got us, like.

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Speaker 3: Here's the craft, let me put it on TV, they'd.

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: Still be like, no, no way, not possible. So yeah,

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01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: wild times, wild times. It does literally feel like we're

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01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: living in a simulation. Sometimes it's hard to wrap your

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01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: head around, especially if you look outside and the sun

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01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: is like blotted out and it looks like we're literally

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01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: living on Mars.

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01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: So possible.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about a very depressing and very

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Speaker 1: human earthly story here about the social network Instagram and

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01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: a new report about the way that they have made

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01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: it very easy and enabled a massive ring of pedophiles

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Speaker 1: to seek out, you know, horrible child pornography on their service.

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Speaker 3: God and put this up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 3: from the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 1: Their headline is Instagram connects vast pedophile network. Let me

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01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: read you a little bit of as they say, Instagram,

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01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: the popular social media site owned by meta platforms, helps

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01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: connect and promote a vast network of accounts openly devoted

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01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: to the commission and purchase of underage sex content. For

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: an investigation by The Wall Street Journal and researchers at

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01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: Stanford University and the University of Massachusetts Amherst, so this

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01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: is hardly some crank conspiracy. This was serious research and

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01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: test accounts were set up. Researchers found that if they

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01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: viewed a single account in this pedophile network, they were

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01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: immediately hit with suggested for you recommendations of purported child

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01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: sex content, sellers and fires, as well as accounts linking

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01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: to off platform content trading sites. Following just a handful

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: of these recommendations was enough to flood a test account

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01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: with content that sexualized children. The Stanford Internet Observatory used

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01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: hashtag associated with underage sex to find four hundred and

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: five fellers of what researchers labeled self generated child sex material,

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01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: or accounts purportedly run by children themselves.

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01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 3: Some saying were as young as twelve.

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Speaker 1: According to some of the data that was gathered, one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twelve of those sellers collectively had twenty two

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01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: thousand unique followers. Current and former Meta employees estimate the

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: number of accounts that exist primarily to follow such content

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: is in the high hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

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01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: You know, they used this thinly veiled lingo and emojis.

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01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: They'd share an image of a map, which is shorthand

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01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: for minor attracted person, they'd share the cheese pizza emoji,

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01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: which is you know, CP child pornography. Many declare themselves

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01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: lovers of the little things in life, and what makes

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Speaker 1: this report, I mean, everything about it is just deeply

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01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: disturbing and grotesque. Obviously, this is a problem that every

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01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: single social media site has to deal with. But what

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01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: they go to great length to point out soccer in

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01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: this report is that the problem appears to be far

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01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: worse on Instagram. You know, they were able to search

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: for all of these you know, blatantly horrific hashtags with

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01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: no problem and turn up all sorts of content just immediately.

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01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: Then the Instagram algorithm would kick in because it's learning like, oh,

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01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: this is the kind of content you're after, Well, here's

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01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: one hundred more accounts that you can go to to

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01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: find exactly what you want. And after the researchers turned

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: over all of this information to Instagram and they went

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01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: about taking down a bunch of these accounts and doing

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01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: what they could to clean it up. Well, they haven't

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01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: fixed the algorithm. So the minute that the accounts reappear,

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01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: which they oftentimes do, the algorithm is helping the people

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01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: who are trying to view this type of content and

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01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: purchase this type of content. They're helping them in real

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01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: time rebuild out that network by serving them Okay, well

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01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: here's you lost that account.

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Speaker 3: Here's the new.

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01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: Account that's going to give you exactly what you want.

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01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: So they have apparently done a horrific job of trying

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01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: to tant down on this type of child sex abuse

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Speaker 1: and exploitation.

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Speaker 2: You know what really shocked me was that they almost

1369
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: they even say in here documents previously reviewed say that

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01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 2: they have actually done work like this successfully in the

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01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 2: past to try and suppress accounts on elections like the

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01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 2: January sixth denialism. So they basically did more. Well, yeah,

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 2: so they did more on January sixth and preventing like

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01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 2: election denialism on Instagram than literally cracking down on child

1375
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 2: on literal child you know, predators, I don't know I mean,

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01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: it's sickening, and the fact that this even exists is gross.

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01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 2: Matt Stoller had a joke, It's like, yeah, we have

1378
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 2: an economy of scale for mass pedophilia. Apparently, you know,

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01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: congratulations to Instagram. Some of this is probably intrinsic to

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01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 2: the Internet. And you know, sickness is going to breed

1381
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: sickness and people are going to congregate. But you obviously

1382
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: need to make it as difficult as possible. And also,

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,879
Speaker 2: I will say there's actually good laws on the books

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01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: specifically around preventing this type of behavior and making sure

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01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: that social media companies, websites and others do their absolute best.

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01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: The fact is, if you can get around calling yourself

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: a seller of this type of repulsive, you know, content,

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01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: just by putting a three instead of an E, that's insane.

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01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 2: You know, how how is it that easy to make

1390
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: it on the Internet. I mean that's just absolutely absurd.

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: So look, I mean I'm personally a member of the

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01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: t cap community. For anybody who doesn't know what that is.

1393
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: As to Catch a Predator, fans of the Catch a

1394
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: Predator franchise that was back in two thousand and six,

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01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 2: and you know, people were like, oh, you know, things

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01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: have gotten better since then, I don't know, I mean

1397
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 2: reading stuff like this. Maybe it's just gotten way worse

1398
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 2: and people are better at covering their tracks using the

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01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 2: dark web. But it's just look the FBI. I hope

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: that you people are all over this, you know, instead

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01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 2: of doing you know, instead of I don't know, focusing

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: on whatever bs you know, entrapment schemes around politics and

1403
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 2: all this other crap. Focus this is. This is your

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 2: bread and butter. Guys like this is this is what

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01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: they exist for, you know. And we have good laws

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: on the books to basically, I mean to basically make

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 2: it so that if you can catch even one of

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01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: these people, especially the sellers the distributors of the content,

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: they can be locked up for the rest of their lives.

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01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 2: And I really think that they should be. You know,

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01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 2: it's just sick just to give.

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01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: You a sense of how readily available this content was,

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01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: because that's what was so shocking is it's not like

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: they went to great lengths, these you know, sickos to

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01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: cover their tracks.

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: It was very like you could search really obvious hashtags

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01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: and come up with all sorts of disgusting, illegal material,

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01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: exploitative material to give you a sense of how sensitive

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01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: the algorithm is and how you know much it does

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01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: not discriminate over whether your interests.

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01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,480
Speaker 3: Are legal or illegal.

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01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: A woman who runs a community on Instagram that's dedicated

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: to fighting child tex trafficking and exploitation. She received a

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01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: tip that there was an account out there called incest Toddler,

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: which is exactly what you think it is.

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01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 3: She went to look it up to verify to them.

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: Report and because her account interacted with this account, her

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: followers all start getting recommended incest Toddler for their recommendation.

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: That's how sensitive this algorithm is and how much if

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01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: you express even a pathing interest in this type of

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01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: horrific material, it'll serve you up one hundred accounts that

1433
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: are say you know here, go here, take a look

1434
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: at this, here's you know where you can go. So

1435
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: now that can be very useful if you have a

1436
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: healthy and normal interest, and obviously it can be horrifically

1437
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: damaging when it comes to something like this and they

1438
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,839
Speaker 1: have not cared to do the work to make sure

1439
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: that you know this type of these type of searches

1440
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: get shut down, that this type of content gets shut

1441
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: down and continue even after receiving this information in this research,

1442
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: they say that they're working on changes to the algorithm,

1443
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: so this stops happening. But as of today it's nothing

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01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: significant has changed.

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01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go. Okay, all right, let's let's

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01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 2: move on from this, just so don't feel Let's.

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01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 3: Move on, I know. Yeah, all right.

1448
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: So we've got an escalation in the war between Tucker

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01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: Carlson and his former employer Fox News. As you guys know,

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: Tucker launched his new show on Twitter this week with

1451
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,799
Speaker 1: I guess roughly ten minute monologue. And this is no surprise,

1452
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: but it is the major development. Put this up on

1453
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 1: the screen. Fox News has officially informed Tucker that he

1454
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: is in breach of his contract. You know, all of

1455
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: these media contracts come with non compete clauses, which I

1456
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: think should be illegal, and the Biden administration agrees with

1457
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: us that.

1458
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,440
Speaker 3: They should be illegal.

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01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: Biden and Tucker teaming up on this the horseshoe no

1460
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: one expected. But let me just read you a little

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01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: bit of this report.

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01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 3: They say.

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01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Fox News notified Tucker's lawyers that the former

1464
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 1: primetime anchor violated his contract with the network when he

1465
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: launched his on Twitter show on Tuesday.

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01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 3: According to a copy of a letter obtained by.

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01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: Axios, Carlson's lawyers told Axios any legal action by Fox

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01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: would violate violate his.

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01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 3: First Amendment right.

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01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: Carlson, Axios reported, had since accuse Fox of fraud, has

1471
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: argued Fox breached his contract. What senior executives reneked on

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01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: promises made to Carlson quote intentionally and with reckless disregard

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01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: for the truth, apparently, Sager. Part of the dispute here

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01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: revolves around how the dominion settlement ended. So apparently there

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01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: are reports, and I think Axios is one of the

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01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:42,879
Speaker 1: outlets that reported that as part of the settlement agreement Tucker,

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01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: they had a verbal commitment that Fox News would let

1478
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: Tucker go and that a big part of the reason

1479
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,480
Speaker 1: he was pushed out was because this was a handshake

1480
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: agreement within the dominion settlement. Now, Carlson apparently had extracted

1481
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: a promise from Fox not to settle with dominion voting

1482
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: systems quote in a way which would indicate wrongdoing on

1483
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 1: the part of himself.

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01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 3: And so he clearly views, you.

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01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: Know, the fact that these reports came out, the fact

1486
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: that he was let go allegedly reportedly as part of

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01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: this settlement as indicating wrongdoing and a breach of the

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01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: agreements that.

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01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: He had with Fox. So that seems to be the

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01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 3: nub of.

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01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: The disagreement, at least that it's been reported by Axios.

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01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: A source told Axios Carlson was told by a senior

1493
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: Fox executive the network's goal is to keep him sidelined

1494
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: until twenty twenty five. Obviously, they want to keep him

1495
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: out until after the presidential elections.

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01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 3: That's their goal.

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: And they also have this note in here, which is

1498
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: kind of gross, that Tucker has been leveraging allies like

1499
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback Brett Farv to put pressure on the

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01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 1: network to let him out of his contract.

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01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I would say talk, let that one go,

1502
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,839
Speaker 2: get some better friends. Let's not get Brett farb this one.

1503
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: Look on the merits. It's ridiculous. I think this should

1504
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: be one hundred percent illegal that a company can basically

1505
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 2: sign you or voice away, you know, for your likeness,

1506
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 2: and then can basically restrict your free speech rights. That's

1507
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 2: actually something that he is arguing that his lawyers say

1508
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: that effectively they're trying to silence him on all of

1509
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: social media and claiming that any of his communications are

1510
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 2: effectively in some way a threat to Fox and a

1511
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 2: violation of their agreement. Now, I will also say, until

1512
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 2: these are finally made illegal, let's just not go ahead

1513
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 2: and sign these deals because inside, you know, they even

1514
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: quote from some of the agreements that they have in

1515
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: here where quote pursuant to the agreement, mister Carlson's quote

1516
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 2: services shall be completely exclusive to Fox. That's a real

1517
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: issue because that could literally mean anything. And that Crystal,

1518
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: this is exactly why you and I walk away from

1519
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: mainstream media and from corporate media, is because they try

1520
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: to ensnare you and I exactly in these same problems

1521
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 2: where you know it's ambiguous. He probably could win in court,

1522
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 2: but it becomes a total nightmare. And look, by the way,

1523
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,919
Speaker 2: from Fox's perspective, they're not wrong. This is a disaster.

1524
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: The show or his Tucker on Twitter has one hundred

1525
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 2: and two point seven million views as of this morning

1526
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: when we're looking at it, and it was just posted

1527
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 2: two days ago at six pm. Now, of course, you

1528
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 2: know Twitter view is not necessarily analogous to the same

1529
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: time view, but you know, you can't deny that it

1530
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 2: was seen and was distributed at least in part by

1531
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: a ton of people and had organic interests, so they

1532
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, their primetime is a disaster.

1533
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: They've locked over a million viewers overall, their key demographic

1534
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 2: viewers have been a disaster. And if he truly was unchanging,

1535
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 2: it would be also a benefit to Twitter, especially if

1536
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: they can improve their overall video product. So I think

1537
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 2: this is gross that these types of agreements even exist

1538
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: in the first place. I think people should be allowed

1539
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: to speak. And the fact that they can drag his

1540
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: you know, drag him through the mud basically for the

1541
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 2: next two years in an attempt try and silence him

1542
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: through twenty twenty five, that's insane. You know, even if

1543
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 2: you don't like Tucker Carlson like you should not be

1544
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: allowed to do this as a major corporation.

1545
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 3: Tucker is.

1546
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: As part of his argument, he's claiming Twitter is not

1547
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: a competitor to Fox. I think it's hard to make

1548
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: that case, though to me, the stronger case is on

1549
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: the merits of like these non competes shouldn't be a thing.

1550
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: Ye potentially Fox violated some other aspects of his agreement,

1551
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: but given the reality of the media landscape, today, I

1552
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: don't think you can really say that Twitter or Rumble

1553
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: or YouTube or podcast or whatever are not.

1554
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: A competitor to cable news.

1555
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: I mean Tucker certainly, I thought he sent out like

1556
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: some instructions for his older fans to try to figure

1557
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: out how to find the video on Twitter and how

1558
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 1: to be able to consume his show. Like he clearly

1559
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: sees the audience as that he's trying to reach as

1560
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: having a lot of overlap with the audience that he

1561
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 1: was reaching at Fox.

1562
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 3: And to me, I mean the fact listen, I want.

1563
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: To take Tucker out of it, because you all know

1564
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan, but to me, the fact that

1565
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: that is the media landscape and that these are all competitive,

1566
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, competitive outlets one with another, I actually think

1567
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: that's a positive thing. I think it underscores the fact

1568
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: saga that we've been predicting, which is that cable news

1569
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 1: is not going to have these big stars anymore because

1570
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: why would you, Why would you if you have the

1571
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: ability to generate this type of following and audience, why

1572
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,879
Speaker 1: would you subject yourself to these types of onerous contract

1573
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: requirements than the dude who's going to tell you like

1574
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: to wear the sweater or what you know, all of

1575
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: the nonsense that comes with cable news and an incredibly

1576
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: limiting format. I mean, the cable news format is so

1577
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: like stultifying, and you know it's just just by the

1578
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: nature of the way the programming is done, it really

1579
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: limits what.

1580
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 3: You're able to do.

1581
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: Why would you impose that type of top down control

1582
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: on your creative and on the content that you, as

1583
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: a performer want to put out, Like you just it

1584
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense anymore. Now if you're someone who's yeah,

1585
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: if you're someone who's like a company person and you're

1586
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like middle tier in terms of

1587
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: you can capably serve the news, but you're never going

1588
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: to be that person that generates a following based on

1589
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: your like or is me or the depth death of

1590
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: your knowledge, your skill and presentation or whatever. Okay, then

1591
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 1: cable news makes sense. You know, this is a stable

1592
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: platform and an eyeballs and a paycheck and whatever, and

1593
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: you benefit from whoever's in the chair before you in

1594
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: the hour before, and you benefit from this huge cachet

1595
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: in terms that still exists in terms of American culture

1596
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: and what the elites are watching. Like that's a then

1597
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: that's a proposition that makes sense, but increasingly, for top talent,

1598
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: this is just not going to be where they want

1599
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: to be.

1600
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 3: The other thing I was.

1601
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: Thinking about soccer is you covered earlier this week, I

1602
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: guess the Rumble CEO complaining about the way that Twitter

1603
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 1: community notes are done, which really got me thinking. I mean,

1604
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: the people who really stand to suffer from Tucker and

1605
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: Daily Wire and others launching video on Twitter is Rumble.

1606
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 3: You know.

1607
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: So it's a real it's a real issue for them

1608
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: because they've positioned themselves as this free speech platform for video.

1609
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think Elon Musk has any

1610
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: commitment to free speech.

1611
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 3: I think that's clearly demonstrated by.

1612
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: His action, But there's clearly an audience that does believe

1613
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: that Twitter has become a free speech platform. You've already

1614
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: got a huge network, tons of eyeballs there, way more

1615
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: than you have at Rumble on Rumble at this point.

1616
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, this is a problem for

1617
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: Fox News, it's a problem for MSNBC and CNN. We've

1618
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: documented that, you know, clearly. But I think it also

1619
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: is an issue for some of the new media platforms

1620
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: that have tried to be the you know, Twitter and

1621
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: other social media competitors based on free speech principles.

1622
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, see, here's the reason why I wouldn't bet against Rumble,

1623
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: which is, at the end of the day, Rumble's design

1624
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 2: for video, and it's like, is just not designed for video.

1625
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 2: And look, it's certainly possible they could turn it around,

1626
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure. I can't be the only guy

1627
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 2: who got annoyed watching a ten minute monologue on Twitter.

1628
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 2: You know, it's just not that's not what the platform

1629
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: is designed to do. It doesn't pause properly, you can't

1630
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 2: come back to where you were, you can't see, you know,

1631
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 2: the area. If you accidentally scroll out of it, it

1632
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: takes up your whole screen. I mean, there's just so

1633
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 2: much about it where the functionality itself is not hardwired

1634
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 2: into the app. Now can that change, Yes, it certainly can.

1635
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 2: How much of that is a priority to Twitter? I

1636
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 2: don't know are they going to be actually investing resources

1637
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 2: into it? So if I were a Rumble, I wouldn't

1638
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 2: be actually too worried about it, because you know, it's

1639
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: just look. Elon would actually have to dedicate a ton

1640
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 2: of resources to make it a multifunctional app. Given the

1641
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: fact that what it's currently worth like one third of

1642
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: what he bought it for, you know, and fired the

1643
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 2: vast majority of the staff. We'll see that. That's my

1644
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 2: only thing, Pete. You know, I saw this isn't you know,

1645
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 2: this isn't just a crap on Matt Wallace or whatever.

1646
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: But they were touting like how many people had watched

1647
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 2: their dot documentary and I was like, yeah, but did

1648
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 2: they really watch all of it? Like it's Twitter really

1649
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 2: the place you want to watch a forty five minute documentary,

1650
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: Like I just I don't know. And you know what

1651
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: you and I know, Crystal, is there's a big difference

1652
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 2: between a view and retention. And also one of the

1653
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 2: reasons why YouTube is so great is they don't recommend

1654
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,879
Speaker 2: videos based upon the overall number of views. They recommend

1655
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 2: videos based on the amount of people actually staying and

1656
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 2: watching said video, called the retention h Now, if anything

1657
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 2: that actually matters even more than your overall view count.

1658
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: That's what you and I look at, you know, in

1659
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 2: terms of people actually sitting and watching our stuff. I

1660
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: don't even care that necessarily about the views. We care

1661
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: much more about retention. And also they are, you know,

1662
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 2: have a real relationship. So that's something that also Twitter

1663
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 2: and also Rumble has that too in terms of it's

1664
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's recommendations and and what exactly it prioritizes

1665
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 2: as well. There's just a difference between a video platform

1666
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 2: and then an overall like text based platform decide to

1667
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 2: show you as much info as possible. These are kind

1668
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: of hardwired in there.

1669
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 3: That's a fair point. Yeah, those are fair points.

1670
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Rumble definitely has better tech at this point, uh,

1671
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, more intentional like video geared tech, but Twitter

1672
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: definitely has more people and more more visibility. So I

1673
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: think that's kind of that's kind of the battle. But

1674
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: to your point, you know, take all of these view

1675
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: numbers for what does a woman or for Tucker shar

1676
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: for anything, any of the Twitter video that he's posted,

1677
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: take it with a lot of grains of salt, because

1678
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: they count as a view. If someone just scrolls by

1679
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: the tweet, that's not a view in any real sense

1680
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: of the word.

1681
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 3: And we've said this before, like even on v post videos.

1682
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: The numbers that you see, the views that you see

1683
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,879
Speaker 1: generated there are not really reflective of much of anything meaningful.

1684
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 3: Now, I don't doubt a lot of people watch.

1685
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: Definitely millions of people watched Tucker's monologue and his opening show.

1686
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 3: There's huge interests.

1687
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: There's obviously huge commentary about it, coverage of it, et cetera.

1688
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: But just like, understand what the numbers actually mean.

1689
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's smart, Okay, Crystal, what do you take a

1690
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: look at?

1691
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: Well, Guys, if you live basically anywhere on the East Coast,

1692
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: you already probably know quite a bit about the topic

1693
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: I will be delving into today, which is the absolutely

1694
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: horrific air quality due to wildfires raging in Canada. Just

1695
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: take a look at what New York City looked like

1696
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: this week. You know, if you are anywhere on the

1697
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: East Coast, you have experienced these acrid smells, stinging eyes,

1698
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: these dystopian healthscape appearing landscapes ahead of you. You know

1699
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: here in DC would have it quite as bad as

1700
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: they had it in New York City, or I think

1701
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,879
Speaker 1: today Philadelphia is getting hit the hardest.

1702
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 3: But still yesterday I was, as I was.

1703
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: Driving into the city, you had you know, you could

1704
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: look directly at the sun.

1705
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 3: It's like bright orange sky.

1706
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: It just looks so incredibly bizarre, And obviously there are

1707
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: huge potential health consequences for spending any significant time outside

1708
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: when you have this type of particulate matter in the air,

1709
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: especially for people who have asthma or have other sensitivities.

1710
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: The air quality was so bad that New York City

1711
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: had the distinction of being the most polluted city, the

1712
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: worst air quality in the entire world in terms of

1713
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: major cities, including topping places that are famously have for

1714
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: air quality like Delhi, where residents can expect to live

1715
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: nine years shorter just because of the persistent impact.

1716
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 3: Of this type of air pollution.

1717
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: So, as I mentioned before, the cause of this is

1718
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: historic and stunning wildfires across the country of Canada and

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Speaker 1: half of provinces there.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead and put this up on the screen, guys.

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Speaker 1: More than four hundred wildfires burning across our neighbors to

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Speaker 1: the north. More than half of those are considered to

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01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: be out of control. And of course, you know wildfires

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Speaker 1: this type of year, this type of year, whether it's

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Speaker 1: in Canada or whether it's in California, is nothing, I'm usual,

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01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 1: but the size and the scope and the fact that

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01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 1: it's all happening simultaneously, that is very unusual. And that's

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Speaker 1: why the East Coast is suffering with this type of

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Speaker 1: air pollution, while you know, probably our friends over on

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Speaker 1: the West Coast are saying welcome to the club because

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01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: they've been dealing with this type of persistent air pollution

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Speaker 1: from wildfires for any number of years. Now, let's go

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Speaker 1: and put this next piece up on the screen. It's

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Speaker 1: no accident that we're facing this type of cataclysm right now.

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Speaker 3: Canada has been suffering through what they call a hot drought.

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Speaker 3: You read from this Washington Post report. They say, persistent

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Speaker 3: and off.

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Speaker 1: In extreme words in the high latitudes is among the

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Speaker 1: clearest signals of climate change. The Arctic and its surroundings

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01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: have been found to be warming much faster than most

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01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: of the planet, so you can see Canada would be

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01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: disproportionately affected.

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Speaker 3: They say.

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Speaker 1: Pulse after pulse of record heat has helped fuel the

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Speaker 1: extreme fire situation. You had heat spreading across Nova Scotia

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01:27:56,200 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 1: again on Thursdays. Thursday, temperatures rose to ninety one degrees

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01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: in Halifax. That's more than eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Degrees above average.

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Speaker 1: You had record highs in many eastern cities, including Ottawa

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Speaker 1: at ninety five degrees, in Montreal at ninety four degrees,

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Speaker 1: Toronto at eighty eight degrees. Those have affected a lot

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Speaker 1: of Canada and parts of the northern US as well,

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01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 1: and there's an expectation that these hot temperatures will continue

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01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 1: along with significantly less than usual rainfall, creating just a

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01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: tinderbox effect where you end up with these wild buyers

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Speaker 1: raging out of control across Canada. So all of these

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01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: you cannot tie any particular wildfire to the climate crisis,

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01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: But when you look at this confluence of factors, you

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01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 1: can say for sure the fact that we have had

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Speaker 1: so many wild buyers, historic wildfires year after year in California,

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01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 1: now year after year in Canada, this is directly attributable

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Speaker 1: to rising temperatures and extreme conditions caused by the climate crisis,

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Speaker 1: and it's already having a huge impact on obviously our lives.

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Speaker 3: It's having a huge impact on our economy.

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Speaker 1: Actually highlighted last week that in the state of California,

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Speaker 1: major insurers are pulling out of the state all together.

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Speaker 3: Put this next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Because the impact predominantly of wildfires in California has made

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01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: it so it is not it does not make any

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01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: market sense to ensure homeowners in much of the state.

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Speaker 1: This is not just a situation unique to California. This

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01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: is the case in states across the country, including Florida,

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01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 1: has a huge issue with this as well due to

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01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: their own extreme weather crises and repeated hurricanes. Flooding has

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01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: increased and caused other states sort of from the center

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01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: of the country to have issues with homeowners insurance. And

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01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: that's just one aspect of this crisis. Obviously, when extreme

1778
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: weather hit, the cost of people's lives, to upending their dreams,

1779
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: the economic damage, the cost to reconstruct, I mean, all

1780
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: of this has become incalculable. And this is a part

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01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: of our reality right now. David Wallace, well, as I thought,

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01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: had a really effective and frankly quite dystopian column that

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01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: he wrote in the New York Times. Let's put this

1784
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: up on the screen about how this is just the

1785
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: new normal now. Is is that as smoke darkens the sky,

1786
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: the future becomes clear, and in many ways the future

1787
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 1: is already a ride. There's now nowhere to hide. So

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01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: even if you live in New York City, or if

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01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: you live in Washington, d C. Or if you live

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01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,520
Speaker 1: anywhere in the country, you may not have a wildfire

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01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: next door, but the smoke in the air. Pollution from

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01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,799
Speaker 1: what's going on in California, or what's going on in Canada,

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01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 1: or what's going on in other places could very directly

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01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: impact your life. And just to keep in mind some

1795
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: statistics about how this is not normal, This is not

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Speaker 1: part of a normal cycle. This is a very unusual

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01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: and dystopian historic time that we're living through. Every one

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01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,839
Speaker 1: of California's fifteen largest recorded buyers has taken place.

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Speaker 3: In the past two decades.

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Speaker 1: Of the seven largest wildfires in California have burned since

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01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. David Wallace Wells quotes an author who just

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01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: wrote a book about this new reality that we're living

1803
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: with with regard to wildfire, and he says, fire isn't

1804
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,839
Speaker 1: going away. We're going to be burning for this entire century.

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01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 1: The Alberta fires had only just begun to rage, but

1806
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: he saw the course of change quite clearly. This is

1807
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: a global shift, it's an apocle shift, and we happen

1808
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 1: to be alive for it. And Sager, I think this is.

1809
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1810
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

1811
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 3: All Right, Sager. What you're looking at.

1812
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: Ron and Emily did a great job yesterday talking a

1813
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 2: little bit about what the new news is on the

1814
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Speaker 2: Nordstream pipeline. But I wanted to make sure that we

1815
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: fully brought a rundown for everybody. So let's go ahead

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01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen. A classic

1817
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Speaker 2: and insane reminder from a new report from the Washington Post.

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01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,839
Speaker 2: To be fair, this is coming from the quote discord

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01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: leaks that were given to the Washington Post after they

1820
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: gained exclusive access to the original hundreds of files that

1821
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 2: were leaked by airman Jack Tahara. Inside of those files

1822
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: was a revelation that the United States had intelligence three

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01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 2: months before the bombing of the nord Stream pipeline, which

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01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 2: had a detailed Ukrainian plot to blow it up. Three months,

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01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:29,480
Speaker 2: as they write, before Savageur's bombed the Nordstream natural gas pipeline,

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration learned from a close ally that the

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Speaker 2: Ukrainian military had planned a covert attack on the undersea

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Speaker 2: network using a small team of divers who reported directly

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01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:42,680
Speaker 2: to the commander in chief of Ukrainian Armed Forces. So

1830
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 2: let's really let all of this sink in and try

1831
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 2: and understand what it is. There's a couple of possibilities,

1832
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 2: as I pointed out, let it sink in that either

1833
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 2: the Biden administration had knowledge of this plot, allowed it

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01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 2: to happen, continued to provide Ukraine with basically a blank

1835
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 2: check at this time leading up to the actual bombing

1836
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:05,959
Speaker 2: of the pipeline, and then turned around and did everything

1837
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 2: but blame Russia except in name only said we'll get

1838
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 2: to the bottom of it. We had all these leaks

1839
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 2: from the intelligence community and others saying, oh, clearly was Russia.

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01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 2: All signs point to Russia. Anybody who insinuated that it

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01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 2: wasn't Russia was tarred and feathered, you know, by the

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Speaker 2: mainstream media. And it was only basically almost a year

1843
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 2: later that enough intelligence has come out, both from the

1844
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 2: European countries and others that it's very obvious that it

1845
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 2: almost likely was not only not Russia, but very likely

1846
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 2: either Ukraine or with some help from the United States directly.

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Speaker 2: We had the report also from independent journalist Seymour Hirsh.

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Speaker 2: So you could read this really in one of two ways,

1849
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 2: which is either it was Ukraine and we allowed it

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Speaker 2: to happen. We knew it was going to happen, and

1851
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 2: we turned around and lied to the American public, or

1852
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 2: we're the ones who did it, and I guess maybe

1853
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 2: we're just going to push it off onto Ukraine. Both

1854
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 2: are terrifying possibilities. If we accept the Ukraine explanation, this

1855
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,799
Speaker 2: is equally terrified because what they say in the report,

1856
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 2: according to this intelligence, is that the Ukrainian government actually

1857
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 2: structured this entire attack on the North Stream pipeline such

1858
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: that Zelensky would quote have plausible deniability. But they still

1859
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 2: reported the and commanded the attack by the commander in

1860
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 2: chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who, of course we

1861
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 2: are directly funding, arming, and supporting, not only then, but

1862
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 2: continue to do so right now. So why should we

1863
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 2: believe anything that they tell us? Really let that sink in.

1864
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing that I took away. If

1865
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 2: they have been caught now in several lives. They lied

1866
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 2: about the fact that those two missiles that fell in

1867
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 2: Poland and killed people were Russian, it immediately came out

1868
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 2: that actually they were Ukrainian. They've lied about not being

1869
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 2: involved in the North Stream pipeline. They've lied about not

1870
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 2: being behind the drone attacks on the Kremlin about multiple

1871
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 2: different attacks on Russian soil. How can we believe anything

1872
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 2: that they say? How can we believe anything in America

1873
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: has to say either, and don't mistake this, I don't

1874
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 2: believe anything that the Russians say. That's why we're all

1875
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 2: in such an impossible situation. Consider what happened here with

1876
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 2: the dam. You know, immediately the Ukrainians are pointing the

1877
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 2: finger at the Russians, that Russians are pointing the fingers

1878
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 2: at the Ukrainians. Both sides actually have reasons or why

1879
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:19,680
Speaker 2: they would want to blow up the dam, and for

1880
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 2: who actually benefits worth? Who knows, We don't know. There's

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01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 2: no actual confirmation. And then even if the United States

1882
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 2: comes out and blames the Russians, you can't believe them

1883
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 2: because maybe we have intelligence that it was Ukraine that

1884
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 2: was behind it. And to make this not just pass

1885
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 2: beforeward looking remember this, we did not want to give

1886
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 2: F sixteens to Ukraine because we had intelligence that we

1887
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 2: were able to show you here classified intelligence that Zelenski

1888
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 2: wants longer rage missiles and planes to bomb Russia. We

1889
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 2: didn't do it for a long time. Then we reverse

1890
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 2: course and Biden's reasoning was, they promised me, They gave

1891
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:58,799
Speaker 2: me a flat promise, we won't use them to strike Russia.

1892
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,839
Speaker 2: Why should we believe them? They have lied at almost

1893
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 2: every turn in terms of how offensive weapons will be used.

1894
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,520
Speaker 2: They have pursued actions like bombing the North Street pipeline,

1895
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 2: the Crimean Bridge, and others which could lead to a

1896
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 2: huge escalation which draws the United States in. And obviously

1897
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 2: it's in their interest in almost every single one of

1898
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 2: their lives, especially the ones that came forward whenever the

1899
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 2: missiles fell on Poland, they immediately used that lie as

1900
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 2: a pretext to call for a no fly zone by

1901
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 2: the United States and NATO intervention. And I once again

1902
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 2: have to say I understand it. If I were them,

1903
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 2: I would do the same thing. It's the really their choice,

1904
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: their only chance at outright victory, because obviously there's no

1905
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 2: way that they can overpower them completely, the Russians with

1906
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 2: just the even the current amount of military support that

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01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 2: is given to them. It just needs to have all

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01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 2: of us ask real questions about our government, about the

1909
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 2: support that we're giving and about what the actual trade

1910
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 2: offs are. It's not costless to just give Ukraine a

1911
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 2: blank check to give them F sixteen's and perhaps one

1912
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 2: day we may have to pay that bill, and you

1913
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 2: need to ask is the bill worth it? It can

1914
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 2: seem callous whenever you're talking about human beings who are

1915
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 2: fighting for their own country. But not every cause is

1916
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 2: worth American bloodshed and cause. You need to have some

1917
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 2: real cost benefit analysis as to what exactly the US

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01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 2: is getting out of this. And it's becoming clearer and

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01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:24,480
Speaker 2: clearer and clearer to me that the cost far outweighs

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01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: any sort of benefit that might come, both from a

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01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 2: moral level but also from a pure real politic level.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, Chrystal, what did you make of

1923
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 2: this intelligence?

1924
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagre's monologue,

1925
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

1926
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, thank you so much for watching. We're really excited,

1927
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Speaker 2: but we're gonna wrap this. We're going right to the studio.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna tape our big studio reveal. It's not too

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Speaker 2: late to become a premium member to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: That's right, we will see you Monday from the new Studio.

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Speaker 3: Till then, enjoy your weekend and we'll see you there.