Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and this is the
Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast Waiting on the world to change. Addition,
Speaker 1: as the Bengals try to get over the hump after
Speaker 1: another nail biting loss and pick up their first win
Speaker 1: of the season on Monday Night in Pittsburgh. Coming up,
Speaker 1: I'll spend about twenty minutes with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham,
Speaker 1: as we discussed the emergence of Autumn Tate at wide receiver,
Speaker 1: how Billy Price did and his first started left guard,
Speaker 1: why the Steelers are off to an Owen three start,
Speaker 1: and since we're heading to Pittsburgh, we'll find out what
Speaker 1: lap thinks of the steel Cities legendary Fromante Brothers Sandwich.
Speaker 1: We'll also hear from Sports Illustrated's Andy Benoit on this
Speaker 1: episode of the pod of the many things written about
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor after the Bengals hired him, I thought Andy
Speaker 1: wrote the best story. He spent time at Zach's house
Speaker 1: office and in the meeting rooms at Paul Brown Stadium,
Speaker 1: and you'll hear what Andy thinks of Zach Taylor and
Speaker 1: his chances of being a successful NFL head coach. And
Speaker 1: in this week's no the faux segment. We'll get the
Speaker 1: lowdown on the Steelers from pregame radio host and local
Speaker 1: columnist Tim Bens. All of that is straight ahead, But first,
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Speaker 1: and approximately seven thousand games old. It is Marty Brenneman's
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Speaker 1: last Sunday, that streak is nothing short of miraculous. As
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Speaker 1: He was the voice of the Big Red Machine and
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Speaker 1: the biggest thing that makes Marty unique is that he
Speaker 1: is the most candid home team announcer in the history
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Speaker 1: afraid to say so. But that's not the only thing
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Speaker 1: Now let's get to football. Is I bring in my
Speaker 1: broadcast partner Dave Lapham to look back at last week's
Speaker 1: four point lost to Buffalo and look ahead the Monday
Speaker 1: night football between two teams still looking for their first win.
Speaker 1: The O and three start is obviously disappointing, but there
Speaker 1: are some guys that have been playing well. Give me
Speaker 1: a guy on each side of the ball that stands
Speaker 1: out to you, I think for the exact same reasons
Speaker 1: in terms of no matter of the situation, haven't had
Speaker 1: many leads, but when they're in the lead, they play hard,
Speaker 1: and when they're trailing by you know, twenty four thirty
Speaker 1: one points, they're still playing hard. Tyler Boyd for the offense,
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton can count on him. The guy competes no
Speaker 1: matter what the situation. He's gonna he's gonna work hard
Speaker 1: to get open. He's tough as there is, tough as nails,
Speaker 1: catches everything. Andy Dalton knows that Tyler Boyd's gonna give
Speaker 1: him every ounce of effort. And on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of it, Sam Harvard the same way, you know when
Speaker 1: you watch Hubbard play, can't tell if the teams ahead
Speaker 1: or behind. Playing with his hair on fire, running every
Speaker 1: play down, his pursuit angles are really good and his
Speaker 1: effort to get there unbelievably good and leads the team
Speaker 1: in sacks. Disruptive player, and I think every single game
Speaker 1: after the football game, even though all three of them
Speaker 1: been defeats, two of them pretty close defeats, they can
Speaker 1: look in the mirror and say, Yep, gave everything I
Speaker 1: had emptied. The tank couldn't have done more physically out there,
Speaker 1: just didn't work out for us. At halftime of last
Speaker 1: week's game in Buffalo, I think both of us were
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing, along with probably every Bengals fan watching. Yikes,
Speaker 1: this team's not very good, but they managed to turn
Speaker 1: around in the second half and at least come away
Speaker 1: with something positive from that game. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: seen in quite a while, particularly in the Bengals organizations.
Speaker 1: They've probably been cases of it around the National Football League,
Speaker 1: but a team that was so subpar in the first half,
Speaker 1: I mean, couldn't get out of their own way. Uh
Speaker 1: didn't generate a first down until less than two minutes
Speaker 1: to go in the first half, oh for five on
Speaker 1: third down. Andy Dalton's first completion at the end of
Speaker 1: the play was a fumble. I mean, that's the exercise
Speaker 1: and futility if you'd ever seen or heard a one
Speaker 1: and and to regroup a little bit like they did
Speaker 1: at halftime and realize that, you know, we're our biggest problem.
Speaker 1: Buffalo's defense is good, and they are They're very good.
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're well put together, and the players
Speaker 1: understand every nuance of it, and they understand how to
Speaker 1: take things away from the opposition offense. You know, they're
Speaker 1: right in line mentally with with what the coaches are
Speaker 1: trying to ask them to do. So that's a good
Speaker 1: defensive unit. But when they came out and in the
Speaker 1: second half and and put three straight scores on the board,
Speaker 1: three straight possessions and run a seventeen point total up
Speaker 1: there and take a lead. It was it was not stunning,
Speaker 1: but it was surprising. You know that what we're were
Speaker 1: these guys to go from to go from the outhouse,
Speaker 1: not to the penthouse, but closer to the penthouse than
Speaker 1: you were. I mean, you were definitely in the outhouse,
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. For them to you know,
Speaker 1: pull themselves up individually and collectively by the bootstraps like
Speaker 1: they did, I thought, I thought was pretty impressive. You know. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the defense, I honestly think that the number of snaps
Speaker 1: they took in the first half had a cumulative effect
Speaker 1: on them. They took forty six snaps in the first half.
Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter, you know, that's that's when you're tired.
Speaker 1: You're not only physically tired, your mind is a little
Speaker 1: bit tired. And you know, they made made a big
Speaker 1: assignment error on a forty nine yard completion to the
Speaker 1: tight end Knox that killed them. Lap. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: wide receiver autumn Tate, who had the best game of
Speaker 1: his young career last week. Six catches for eighty eight
Speaker 1: yards against the Bills in the first two games, Damian
Speaker 1: Willis was getting those snaps. Last week they went to
Speaker 1: Autumn Tate. What I think you get healthy. You know,
Speaker 1: Autumn Tate had been fighting that foot ankle injury that
Speaker 1: that he sustained or nagasus was a knee injury that
Speaker 1: he sustained during training camp. And you know he's rehabbing,
Speaker 1: you know, real aggressively, but he just wasn't able to
Speaker 1: make the dance, you know, in the first first couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. So I think that, you know, he just
Speaker 1: keeps working hard. I mean, I'd like everything about his
Speaker 1: work ethic and he's got he brings a lot to
Speaker 1: the table. I mean six to five between two twenty
Speaker 1: five and two hundred and thirty pounds, long arms, big,
Speaker 1: huge catching radius, broad shoulders, huge frame, easy target to
Speaker 1: see in the middle of field, and he looks like
Speaker 1: a tight end to a quarterback when he's running routes
Speaker 1: in the middle of the football field. And he's not
Speaker 1: he's not going to run by you necessarily, you know,
Speaker 1: straight line speed, but he has way above average short
Speaker 1: space quickness for a guy his size, so he gets
Speaker 1: in and out of cuts well. He can make people miss,
Speaker 1: you know, initially when they're trying to contact him after
Speaker 1: the catch, and because of his length and his size,
Speaker 1: he's a contested catch, you know, maniac. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not a fifty fifty ball in his mind. It's one
Speaker 1: hundred zero ball in his mind. Every time it's up
Speaker 1: for grabs, he's going to get the thing. Big vice,
Speaker 1: grip hands. You know two things you want in a receiver.
Speaker 1: We've talked about a Lockdan Tyler Boyd gives it and
Speaker 1: this kid does too. Is toughness and you know, good hands.
Speaker 1: The thing that impressed me most is he got screwed.
Speaker 1: No other way to put it. He got shafted on
Speaker 1: a holding call that nullified at ninety two yard touchdown
Speaker 1: return on a kickoff. He could have gone in the tank.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys would you know, man let that linger.
Speaker 1: You know, because of that play, you know, the next
Speaker 1: half dozen times you're targeted, it doesn't work out because
Speaker 1: your mind's messed up. He didn't do any of that
Speaker 1: that impressed me as a young player. Put it aside.
Speaker 1: You know, I know I didn't do what he said
Speaker 1: I did. I'm going to put it aside and see
Speaker 1: if I can make plays other ways to help the
Speaker 1: team win the football game, because that play would have
Speaker 1: been a huge spark and it could have taken away unnecessarily,
Speaker 1: and he was the guy that was, you know, pointed
Speaker 1: the finger at and so doing it. Didn't do anything
Speaker 1: wrong really, So sometimes that's life in the NFL with
Speaker 1: the Zebras. After three weeks, John Ross is third in
Speaker 1: the NFL and heaving yards, but number one in drops
Speaker 1: according to Pro Football Focus, five of them so far.
Speaker 1: He had a fumble last week against Buffalo. Is this
Speaker 1: just the John Ross experience, as we have kind of
Speaker 1: jokingly referred to it, You got to live with a
Speaker 1: few drops in order to get the big plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: his good has been exceptionally good, and as bad has
Speaker 1: been frustratingly bad as it always is, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like easy throws or boom right there in
Speaker 1: the hands and you know, not drop him. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I was on the overthrow from Andy Dalton to John Ross.
Speaker 1: My first reaction was, why don't you dive, you know,
Speaker 1: full extension, go for the football. Now I watched the
Speaker 1: trajectory of the throw from Andy and that you can't dive.
Speaker 1: You gotta put some marunder it and let him run
Speaker 1: underneath it. And you know, if he did dive, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to get his hands up high
Speaker 1: enough to catch in anyway, because it was more of
Speaker 1: a direct line show. I mean, Andy was trying to
Speaker 1: just put it on him from that distance and the
Speaker 1: margin Farr is minimal at that point, and the overthrow
Speaker 1: him by yard if he just puts a little air
Speaker 1: in it, because you can't overthrow John Ross. It's like,
Speaker 1: how do you overthrow John Ross? Put a little more error,
Speaker 1: and I think he would have been able to run
Speaker 1: underneath that thing, and that that's a you know, that's
Speaker 1: a touchdown right there, that that the Bengals didn't take
Speaker 1: full advantage of. So U you know, those kind of
Speaker 1: things can can be frustrating. And you know, five five
Speaker 1: drops a drop at least one drop every game. So
Speaker 1: it's not you know, something that is coming and going.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's there. And you know, if I
Speaker 1: know the fans are crossing their fingers hoping every time
Speaker 1: it's thrown to him, he's gonna make a play. If
Speaker 1: his quarterback starts thinking that and the coaches start thinking that,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty soon as like man, do I throw
Speaker 1: it to him or not? You can't have those kind
Speaker 1: of thoughts. You just have to gun it and cut
Speaker 1: it loose. He just needs to uh. And I thought
Speaker 1: that the opposite of Odd and Tate one aud and
Speaker 1: Tate faced the adversity of the holding call. He never wavered.
Speaker 1: I thought John Ross kind of checked out for a
Speaker 1: little while. I mean, he just wasn't, you know, he
Speaker 1: let it bother him for too long a period of time.
Speaker 1: You just have to have, you know, selective amnesia. Put
Speaker 1: it aside, move on. You can't let one mistake turn
Speaker 1: into not even being available for a period of time.
Speaker 1: You got to get yourself right back into the game.
Speaker 1: You can't mentally say, oh, man, I can't believe I
Speaker 1: did that, and you know, pout and whine about it.
Speaker 1: You know, internally just can't do it. You just have
Speaker 1: to be the mental toughness that you know that Zach's
Speaker 1: talking about. You gotta come right back, you know, like
Speaker 1: he did when when he dropped the ball and then
Speaker 1: has a fifty yard touchdown pass the very next play
Speaker 1: and it makes a big play to make up for
Speaker 1: the drop. I mean, that's what you have to do.
Speaker 1: And in this case. I thought he'd let it linger
Speaker 1: too long. I'm going to save this recording the next
Speaker 1: time I play golf, because nobody goes into the tank
Speaker 1: after a double bogie like Dan or what I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: My recovery skills are not great on the course. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line. How did they do as
Speaker 1: a whole, and how did Billy Price do, in particular
Speaker 1: get his first studied left guard. Yeah, I respect the
Speaker 1: job that Billy Price did. I'll start with that one.
Speaker 1: You know, the thing when something happens to a you know,
Speaker 1: a highly decorated player coming out of college, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's all American in first round pick to play a
Speaker 1: center for the Bengals, and you lose that job, and then,
Speaker 1: you know, instead of moaning and pouting and grousing about
Speaker 1: it and putting your chin on your chest, he basically
Speaker 1: handled it pretty darn well. You know, he said all
Speaker 1: the right things. That's one thing, But then do all
Speaker 1: the right things. Make sure you're working hard, make sure
Speaker 1: you're trying to overcome the deficiencies that cost you, you know,
Speaker 1: that starting position. And I do think that he's still
Speaker 1: not right physically. I still think he's got a little
Speaker 1: bit of a foot problem. I truly believe that. And
Speaker 1: you know it's it's not the Liz Frank, it's the
Speaker 1: planet face Siatis stuff. Liz Frank was last year, Planet
Speaker 1: face Siatis this year, and those things can hang on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had it, you know, not because the
Speaker 1: distance running. I know you've had it from distance running,
Speaker 1: not me, but I've had but I've had plant of
Speaker 1: facey itis and man, it's nasty. Depending on the severity
Speaker 1: of it, it can be very nasty. So you know
Speaker 1: the fact that Billy worked hard physically and mentally even
Speaker 1: more so to be ready for an opportunity because it's
Speaker 1: some time. At some point, you know it's going to come.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna get nicked up in the interior of the
Speaker 1: offensive line and he's gonna have to step in and
Speaker 1: them not miss a beat. And unfortunately it was Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan that went down with the knee injury. Not severe.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he'll be able to play this week.
Speaker 1: But Billy went in there and acquitted himself. Well. I
Speaker 1: thought he did. Thought he played played a solid football game.
Speaker 1: And I think up and down the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: I thought they all did you know, there was one
Speaker 1: false start. Andre had a false start. So in two loud,
Speaker 1: boisterous stadium's toughest, you know, amongst the toughest in the NFL.
Speaker 1: There a silent staff count system that they installed was impeccable,
Speaker 1: you know. And and in the communication again, Trey Hopkins
Speaker 1: communicating calls really well. They picked up things from Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton they needed to pick up. So I thought the
Speaker 1: operation was, you know, pretty pretty darn efficient. And I
Speaker 1: didn't think that that the offensive line was the big
Speaker 1: reason that they weren't in SYNK, you know. I thought
Speaker 1: it was other reasons that they weren't in SYNK. And
Speaker 1: I thought the offensive line pretty much from the entire
Speaker 1: game played at the same level of consistency. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what you want. Like we're talking with John Ross,
Speaker 1: you know, man to be impeccable one snap and putrid another.
Speaker 1: You just can't have that rise and fall. Your graft
Speaker 1: can't be North Pole South Pole. You know, it's going
Speaker 1: to be a steady The coaches have to know what
Speaker 1: they can expect every single snap from he's a football player.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Trey Hopkins, he remains the highest graded player
Speaker 1: on the team. According to Pro Football Focus, he's no
Speaker 1: longer number one among centers, but he is still number four,
Speaker 1: which is obviously very good. On defense. Their highest graded
Speaker 1: player after three weeks is Andrew Billings, number eleven among
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman. It's telling they don't have anybody in
Speaker 1: the top ten after three weeks. But he had a
Speaker 1: good game against Buffalo. Five tackles, including two for losses.
Speaker 1: He did. I thought that he his penetration was you know,
Speaker 1: was consistent. You know. Yeah, I thought he was winning
Speaker 1: at a very high level. There's no question about it. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think the big thing is now he's healthy.
Speaker 1: When he had that knee injury, such a big body,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's not a real tall guy, so
Speaker 1: he's got he's got a lot of weight packed on
Speaker 1: a you know, not a real long frame, and when
Speaker 1: you have a knee injury in that regard, I thought
Speaker 1: it really hurt his lateral movement, you know. I thought
Speaker 1: I thought he could still go ahead and pet you know,
Speaker 1: straight ahead and penetrate kind of thing, but then to
Speaker 1: stop and redirect it, that's where he was having difficulty.
Speaker 1: Now he's got all that back where he can penetrate,
Speaker 1: he can move laterally, he's staying on his feet better. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that now they're starting to see
Speaker 1: the Andrew Billions that when they draft him in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, they said, well, you know, we had him.
Speaker 1: He's great as a first round talent. You know, coming
Speaker 1: out of Baylor, he was a co defensive player of
Speaker 1: the Year in the Big Twelve. I mean, this guy
Speaker 1: was a player. And I think now they're starting to see,
Speaker 1: you know, that type of player. You often talk about
Speaker 1: how the offensive line, you want the sum to be,
Speaker 1: you know, greater than the individual parts. How about the
Speaker 1: secondary Because I look at those guys individual and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: all right, he's a decent player, he's a good player,
Speaker 1: he was an igh draft pick, etc. But that group
Speaker 1: as a whole has not played well, at least to
Speaker 1: my eyes, in the first three games. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's been up to up to standard
Speaker 1: that they the expectations they have of themselves, or their
Speaker 1: coaches have of them, or defensive coordinator Luana Rumo has
Speaker 1: of them. Um. I think that one of the bigger
Speaker 1: areas is inconsistent tackling, you know, I mean the when
Speaker 1: the edge when the edge is being captured, like it's
Speaker 1: being captured a lot of times the run support the
Speaker 1: run forces to be coming from that cornerback spot and uh,
Speaker 1: and it's not. It's not being you know, it's being
Speaker 1: fulfilled from an assignment responsibility. So and when I know
Speaker 1: in the first in the first two games, I think
Speaker 1: it was eleven and eight tackles missed, nineteen tackles missed
Speaker 1: eight and the opener eleven in the second game or
Speaker 1: something like that, I know, I know against San Francisco
Speaker 1: there are eleven tackles missed Seattle, it wasn't that bad,
Speaker 1: but there are eleven tackles missed against against the San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers and a lot of them were
Speaker 1: on that in that level, you know. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's in a perfect world, you have to have the
Speaker 1: two components. You have to have the pressure and in coverage.
Speaker 1: If you have both, you know you're in great shape.
Speaker 1: And good pressure will you know, lessen the burden on
Speaker 1: the back end. Great coverage can sometimes create sacks that
Speaker 1: you normally wouldn't expect to be there if a quarterback
Speaker 1: has to pull it down and start running around unless
Speaker 1: you're Josh Allen who fakes everybody out and throws them
Speaker 1: all down the field. But I think I think there's room.
Speaker 1: There's room for growth, for sure, there's room for improvement
Speaker 1: on the back end. I think they can tighten things
Speaker 1: up big time. The Bengals head to Pittsburgh on Monday
Speaker 1: night and lap somebody sprayed a big old can of
Speaker 1: raid on the Killer Bees. Bell is gone, Brown is gone,
Speaker 1: Big Ben is injured. How good is the Steelers offense
Speaker 1: without those guys? Time for the Bengals defense to sting
Speaker 1: the Steelers offense. Man, their numbers aren't very good. You know,
Speaker 1: who would have thought that they'd be thirtieth in the
Speaker 1: NFL and yards per game twenty sixth in yards per
Speaker 1: pass twenty ninth and rushing yards per game twenty fourth
Speaker 1: and rushing average twenty fifth and passing yards twenty seventh
Speaker 1: and passing average that is unsteelerlike, tied for twenty seventh
Speaker 1: and points scored. That's a different a different football team.
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, Dan, as we know, you're as
Speaker 1: good as your guys up front in a lot of
Speaker 1: instant and the guys up front are still pretty good
Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Steels. They have three Pro bowlers. Pouncey
Speaker 1: has been a Pro Bowler, to Castro and Villaneueva. Sixty
Speaker 1: percent of their offensive line has been Pro Bowl participants,
Speaker 1: so you know that's something to work with. Um, they're
Speaker 1: all back. They signed Ramon Foster even though he's advanced
Speaker 1: in years. They didn't want to break up the break
Speaker 1: up the band as such, and they're still operating, you know,
Speaker 1: I think pretty effective. They've only allowed four quarterback sacks,
Speaker 1: which is amongst the fewest in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: But their offensive line coaches in Denver and Mike Munchak,
Speaker 1: is as good as there is in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: And in my mind that's that's a big difference. But
Speaker 1: when when those Killer Bees all lost their stingers or
Speaker 1: flew away, there's a ripple effects as a defense hasn't
Speaker 1: playing as well either. You know, the offense isn't holding
Speaker 1: up there under the bargain, so the defense has more
Speaker 1: pressure on them. They're more snaps out in the field,
Speaker 1: more exposure. So when the Killer Bees either died or
Speaker 1: flew away, really really hurt the football team in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Lap In their last twenty games against Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: the Bengals have not scored more than twenty one points
Speaker 1: one time. They've only won four out of those twenty games.
Speaker 1: Why does the Steelers defense always give Cincinnati so much trouble?
Speaker 1: I think that as an organization, they have a belief
Speaker 1: in the defensive scheme addict that they're running, and they
Speaker 1: run it very well, and they draft to fit that
Speaker 1: defensive scheme. You know, they don't. They don't say, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a great player and we might be able
Speaker 1: to transition him into what we do. It's like, this
Speaker 1: guy is a solid player and does exactly what we
Speaker 1: need at this position or that position. Let's draft him
Speaker 1: and develop him. Many they've very rarely miss on, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody that they've targeted to fill a very very necessary
Speaker 1: role in that defensive structure. And you know it started
Speaker 1: with Dick lebou. You know, the great Dick Lebau put
Speaker 1: together a package that was amazing and highlighted and accentuated
Speaker 1: the talents of his great defensive players, particularly the linebackers.
Speaker 1: I mean, Pittsburgh's had unbelievable linebackers for so long, amazing linebackers,
Speaker 1: and you know, Bush is the latest one they drafted.
Speaker 1: He's not quote in the starting lineup, but he's in
Speaker 1: there on a lot of packages. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they've also had safeties like Troy Polamalo that was such
Speaker 1: unbelievable playmakers and they just traded for one, making Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: who can fit that bill. So they've always been good.
Speaker 1: They have a defensive line in the middle, they have
Speaker 1: a linebacker, and they have a safety. We talk about
Speaker 1: in baseball you want to be strong catcher, shortstop, center
Speaker 1: field defensively, and they're strong up the middle defensively normally
Speaker 1: with what they've done, and that's where it starts. They
Speaker 1: take take the middle of the field away from him,
Speaker 1: make you go to the outside in the running game
Speaker 1: and throwing the football, and that's that's been their their
Speaker 1: formula for success for a bunch of years. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the Bengal Steelers rivalry. He has been spirited in
Speaker 1: a bad way in recent years. We've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of cheap shots. We've seen guys, you know, taken off
Speaker 1: the field unconscious, etc. Vontes Perfect isn't around anymore, Joey
Speaker 1: Porter isn't around anymore. Do you think there is a
Speaker 1: reasonable chance that these two teams will will get after
Speaker 1: it without at crossing a line. Yeah, when you think
Speaker 1: about um, that that game in the playoffs, Um Vontes Perfect,
Speaker 1: Adam Jones, Joey Porter. The three prime figures in that
Speaker 1: in that drama are no longer with their respective football team.
Speaker 1: So maybe with that turnover, um, you know maybe, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys still on both teams that
Speaker 1: were part of that of that fracas, in the the
Speaker 1: ending of the fracas and everything that goes along with it.
Speaker 1: My my thing, one of my big keys this week
Speaker 1: is razor sharp mental focus and no no hidden agendas,
Speaker 1: no personal vendettasn't doing any good. It's past history. You
Speaker 1: gotta go win this football game on a snap by
Speaker 1: snap basis period. You know, don't don't be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is for so and so that you knocked out out,
Speaker 1: This is for so and so who you knee, you
Speaker 1: wrecked or you know that that kind of stuff never
Speaker 1: ends up working out well for you. You know, playing
Speaker 1: football now now it can be part of your your
Speaker 1: overall you know, getting yourself adrenaline pump and getting ready
Speaker 1: for a game. You know all the pre pre but
Speaker 1: once the game starts, man, you still have you have
Speaker 1: to be. You know, I call it the controlled rage,
Speaker 1: which is a delicate balance. You want to be able
Speaker 1: to pick the stadium up, but you want to be
Speaker 1: able to fulfill your assignments and not be out of
Speaker 1: your mind because you know, you're you know, adrenaline's pump
Speaker 1: is so of coursing through your veins and you're you're
Speaker 1: a wild man that didn't do anybody any good. You
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have unnecessary penalties, be a pre snap
Speaker 1: penalties because you're out of your mind and you're not
Speaker 1: focused or um you know, after the play, late hit,
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. Those are the kind of
Speaker 1: things you don't want to have. And in my mind,
Speaker 1: in the two things that have cost this football team
Speaker 1: dearly offensively staying on schedule, it's been penalties self destruction
Speaker 1: penalties defensively misdirection. Those are the if I had to
Speaker 1: pick one thing for each side of the football, that's
Speaker 1: what I would pick. And both of them require immense
Speaker 1: focus to rectify. You know, just you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in allowed place again. You've handled the
Speaker 1: noise and everything. It hasn't been false starts and those
Speaker 1: kind of things, but holding penalties, you know, sloppy hands,
Speaker 1: very opportune times. You know, you have to be real
Speaker 1: focused on that stuff and defensively and you Pittsburgh's gonna
Speaker 1: run misdirection. Everybody's gonna run misdirection. You're gonna see it
Speaker 1: once once the forty nine ers had the success they
Speaker 1: had in week two. The other fourteen weeks remaining from there,
Speaker 1: everybody's going to do some of it, maybe not as much,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna see it until you stop it. You're
Speaker 1: gonna see it. So you better start sharpen your folks
Speaker 1: and getting your eyes right because everybody thinks that the
Speaker 1: Bengals defense man. All you have to do is get
Speaker 1: them running one way their eyes are fooled and misdirection
Speaker 1: the other way, and they can't get back to where
Speaker 1: they need to be. Final thing, as we make our
Speaker 1: annual trip to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where do you stand on
Speaker 1: the Promante Brothers sandwich where basically they stick everything in
Speaker 1: between two pieces of Italian bread, The burger, the fries,
Speaker 1: the coleslaw, the whole bit stuffed inside those two pieces
Speaker 1: of bread. When it's freshly made and warm, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with it, but a cold greasy. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: eating Crisco between They can usually give it to us
Speaker 1: on the flight home, which is a lovely gesture. They
Speaker 1: try to tie the postgame flight home meal to whatever
Speaker 1: city you're in, which is a really cool concept. But
Speaker 1: it does tend to be a little chilly. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: at that point, I mean, forget the fries. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nothing worse than like cold no cold fries that
Speaker 1: look like they have lard on him. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like I'm going on that. But it is a nice
Speaker 1: gesture though, And I mean that is that is like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Montgomery and the greater is the skyline
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati that that sandwich is. That's Pittsburgh. Now, that's
Speaker 1: that's a slice of Pittsburgh. But when there's cold fries,
Speaker 1: they can keep the slice. One of our favorite guests
Speaker 1: on Bengals radio shows is Andy Benoit from Sports Illustrated
Speaker 1: and The MMQB. He's one of the best in the
Speaker 1: business at breaking down the tape and sharing what he
Speaker 1: sees in an entertaining and informative way. Andy has written
Speaker 1: a couple of great stories about Zach Taylor. Last December,
Speaker 1: he wrote about Zach and his brother Press, who is
Speaker 1: an assistant coach with the Eagles, and the title of
Speaker 1: that story was the Brothers Taylor are Coaching's next big thing.
Speaker 1: Then this year during OTAs in June, and he spent
Speaker 1: twenty four hours behind the scenes with Zach and provided
Speaker 1: a very illuminating look at the Bengals new head coach. Recently,
Speaker 1: Andy Benoit joined Dave Lapham and me to discuss Zach
Speaker 1: and his coaching staff. Well, I think very highly of
Speaker 1: him on a personal level, him and his brother. I'm
Speaker 1: big fans of both guys as people and as coaches.
Speaker 1: And one thing that really impresses me about Zach is
Speaker 1: and Sean McVay was the first that emphasized this to
Speaker 1: me first. I mean, you notice that anyone notices it
Speaker 1: when he talked to him, but to hear McVay elocuted
Speaker 1: he has great emotional intelligence, and McVay talked about how
Speaker 1: good he was in meeting. There's a natural openness to
Speaker 1: the way everyone can communicate around him. There's no pretense
Speaker 1: at all with either of the Taylor brothers, and you
Speaker 1: feel like you can be vulnerable to make mistakes, which
Speaker 1: is in my opinion, that's a big deal. When you're
Speaker 1: trying to get creative minds in the room and thinking
Speaker 1: about what's best to do for a football team. And
Speaker 1: that stood out when I spent time with him too.
Speaker 1: It's a group effort on that coaching staff, and Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor will never pretend that he knows something that he
Speaker 1: doesn't know. He wants to learn and the moment, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't care whose idea it is. He wants the
Speaker 1: best idea. Yeah. I mean that. That's one thing Andy
Speaker 1: that he mentioned to me early on. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: you obviously have not hired a bunch of yes men.
Speaker 1: You have hired guys that have opinions. You want that?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you basically searching for that? He goes absolutely,
Speaker 1: I who want guys to look at me and nod
Speaker 1: in agreement with everything that I'm talking about. I remember
Speaker 1: hearing Cincinnati one of the best offenses ever put together,
Speaker 1: Sam White and Bruce Costlin battles fights, I mean, arguments
Speaker 1: over what to put in the game plan. They had
Speaker 1: different maybe ideas, and out of those, out of those
Speaker 1: meetings came an unbelievable game plan. And I think you
Speaker 1: do have to have different opinions. There's no question about it. Right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And one of the really cool things that I saw
Speaker 1: when I was what I was with them those well,
Speaker 1: people don't realize offensive staff in the NFL spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time trying to figure out ways to beat
Speaker 1: their defensive staff. These guys face each other all off
Speaker 1: season that these are some of the most competitive men
Speaker 1: on the face of the planet. And as Bill Callahan
Speaker 1: once said to me, we want to beat the crap
Speaker 1: out of our own defensive coaches. Now you want those
Speaker 1: guys to succeed, but it's competitive. So Loui, Anna Rumo
Speaker 1: and Jack Taylor got in the conversation when I was there.
Speaker 1: Taylor's spend all day trying to figure out, Okay, here's
Speaker 1: what Lou's gonna do. We think he's gonna play this
Speaker 1: route this way. They get into the practice and Anna
Speaker 1: Rumo's defense destroys the route and the plays at stack
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, and Taylor goes to Loui Anna
Speaker 1: Rumo afterwards and just said, hey, how did you know
Speaker 1: it was coming? Tell us because we need to know that.
Speaker 1: And to watch Anna Rubo break it down, and the
Speaker 1: aha look on Taylor's faith and the back and forth
Speaker 1: that those two guys had. It's one of the really
Speaker 1: fun things about football because when you're learning that way,
Speaker 1: you're not just learning answers for the question you're addressing
Speaker 1: at that moment, and you're learning how to think together
Speaker 1: and think of other answers for questions that you don't
Speaker 1: even know exists yet. We are talking to Andy Benoy
Speaker 1: from Sports Illustrated and the MMQB. He is a great
Speaker 1: Twitter follow at Andy Underscore Benoit b E n o I.
Speaker 1: Once again this year, Andy, the big question mark for
Speaker 1: the Bengals revolves around the offensive line. How much can
Speaker 1: a Sean mcvayh like offense might be a little bit different,
Speaker 1: but certainly that's a big part of it. How much
Speaker 1: can that type of offense help the offensive line? Well,
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a chicken or an Ago
Speaker 1: question because when you had that offense, it's an outside
Speaker 1: zone running scheme first and foremost. Just think elephants on parade,
Speaker 1: all these big men moving in unison off the snap,
Speaker 1: and in order to play that way, you have to
Speaker 1: have a certain threshold of athleticism up front. You don't
Speaker 1: need world beaters, but you you need guys who are
Speaker 1: a plus athlete that are nimble, that get off the ball,
Speaker 1: and if you don't have that, you're gonna struggle. And
Speaker 1: if you're gonna struggle in your outside zone running game,
Speaker 1: then your play action game and therefore your passing game
Speaker 1: will struggle as well. And that's my big concern for Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: They have a good offensive line coach and Jim Turner.
Speaker 1: The system is a smart sound system, and it's still
Speaker 1: the NFL, and you have to have a thirtain level
Speaker 1: of talent ups front, and I don't know if they
Speaker 1: have that taler not. They've had a lot of injuries
Speaker 1: so far, but you know, we'll find out through three games.
Speaker 1: One offensive lineman gets extremely high grades from the website
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, as Trey Hopkins has ranked fourth among centers.
Speaker 1: John Miller is tied for twentieth among guards who have
Speaker 1: been in there for at least fifty percent of their
Speaker 1: team snaps. Now time for this week's Know the Faux segment.
Speaker 1: When the Bengals head to Pittsburgh on Monday night, it'll
Speaker 1: be the first time in fifteen years and ten months
Speaker 1: that they will face the Steelers without Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback.
Speaker 1: Over the first fifteen years of his career, big Ben
Speaker 1: missed twenty five starts, but none of them were against Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: He always played against the Bengals, and he almost always won,
Speaker 1: going twenty five and seven against Cincinnati, including a pair
Speaker 1: of playoff wins. Instead of having big Ben back there,
Speaker 1: it'll be second year pro Mason Rudolph at quarterback, and
Speaker 1: there's an interesting storyline there. Last year, in the third
Speaker 1: round of the draft, Seattle had the seventy sixth pick,
Speaker 1: The Bengals had the seventy seventh, followed by Kansas City
Speaker 1: and then Pittsburgh. The Steelers made a trade, moving up
Speaker 1: three spots in order to take Rudolph, supposedly because they
Speaker 1: thought the Bengals were going to take the Oklahoma state quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're right, but I do know
Speaker 1: the Bengals were perfectly happy to get Sam Hubbard at
Speaker 1: number seventy seven. For a closer look at the Steelers,
Speaker 1: Tim Bens joined us on the Bengals Game Plan Show
Speaker 1: this week. He hosts the Steelers pregame show, and I
Speaker 1: started our conversation by asking him to describe the mood
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh these days when the Killer Bees gone and
Speaker 1: the team off to an O and three start. I
Speaker 1: think the fan base tried really, really hard to talk
Speaker 1: itself into everything would be fine with Levion Bell officially
Speaker 1: gone in Antonio Braun leaving, there was so much anger
Speaker 1: at those two guys as to how they treated the
Speaker 1: organization and Roethlisberger and the coach and the players in
Speaker 1: the way out the door that it galvanize the fan
Speaker 1: base to the point that maybe we kitted ourselves to
Speaker 1: believe that they could be okay with their absence. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the negatives and manifested. Then it's just been exacerbated by
Speaker 1: think Ben's injury for sure. Let me ask a two
Speaker 1: part question your reference negatives. You know that you ended
Speaker 1: up kind of fooling yourselves a little bit with the
Speaker 1: effect that the killer bees going out the door by
Speaker 1: injury and other reasons. But what about the killer m
Speaker 1: Mike Munchak, the offensive line coach in his absence, is
Speaker 1: the offense some line playing as well? No, it isn't.
Speaker 1: I think that the factors may be not limited to
Speaker 1: the fact that Munshack was a master technician and seeing
Speaker 1: a magic charge even with the ability to continue to
Speaker 1: teach your veterans when their technique swift. Beyond that, I
Speaker 1: think he was a vocal component of how the run
Speaker 1: game should operate, and that is worth pattered at best
Speaker 1: here in Pittsburgh, just simple nuanced things like do you
Speaker 1: really want a perceived power back like James Connor speaking
Speaker 1: handoffs and the shotgun starting flat footed instead of running
Speaker 1: into the handoff and taking it from a quarterback that's
Speaker 1: under center. You constantly want a run game that's kind
Speaker 1: of built for Levion' bell or a guy like James Conner.
Speaker 1: And if same Conner, is it getting it done that
Speaker 1: Mike munschac makes suggestment to better utilize deal and Samuels
Speaker 1: or Benny's Snell. I think Munshack's absence has really been
Speaker 1: felt so far for those reasons. Daryl Drey, who was
Speaker 1: a wide receivers coach for the team that was beloved
Speaker 1: by his players guide during twenty Times and was replaced
Speaker 1: by Ray Sherman, and I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that have been said about how much he helped
Speaker 1: teach the young Waters Shivers, those intangible to have become
Speaker 1: tangibly obvious because they haven't taken a step without Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1: So I think that hurts. There's a mart wrong here,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Steelers free game host Tim Benz is our guests,
Speaker 1: So no Bell, no Brown, no ben That helps explain
Speaker 1: some of the problems on offense. Why has the defense
Speaker 1: been so lousy? They'd given up four hundred plus in
Speaker 1: every game this season. Yeah, they did not take this
Speaker 1: scrudge that they thought they would in the middle third
Speaker 1: of the defense with better coverage from the safeties and linebackers.
Speaker 1: I think there's one major blaring problem. Darrell Edmunds hasn't
Speaker 1: started to show that year two leap that try Paulamalu
Speaker 1: did when they were both kind of playing the same
Speaker 1: position that us try being tryer, but they had high
Speaker 1: hopes Stregmond not that degree, but better than what he's been. Also,
Speaker 1: I think the linebackers Devin Bush and Mark Barron haven't
Speaker 1: solved that big problem from last year. Vince Williams, who's
Speaker 1: a run stuffer, has been hurt. Neither Bell nor Baron
Speaker 1: are great at getting off bocks of supporting the run,
Speaker 1: and they haven't been as a depth in coverage as
Speaker 1: the team at Hope when they acquired them to be
Speaker 1: a free agency in the draft. The Steelers have not
Speaker 1: fired a head coach since nineteen sixty eight. How safe
Speaker 1: is Mike Tomlin. Well, that's that's a great way to
Speaker 1: frame it, because you know what else they hasn't done
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven is straight a first round draft
Speaker 1: lace and they did that right. So you know, I'm
Speaker 1: glad if a certain astee's been thinking on some things,
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if the coach is still in the
Speaker 1: hot seat, and that's why he endorsed the street form
Speaker 1: make it attraction to get up a first rounder. I
Speaker 1: think there is a built in excuse with Roofisberger being absent.
Speaker 1: I think that the Rooney's hate the idea of firing
Speaker 1: the coach. I think they like Mike Comlin a lot,
Speaker 1: and I think unless it really goes bad, plays list
Speaker 1: of the judge mcdolphin, something like that, and he concerned
Speaker 1: about time as a coach without row with his further
Speaker 1: manifest before in our eyes, I think he'll be back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's never had a losing season as a
Speaker 1: head coach. I think it would be tough to cann them,
Speaker 1: you know, based on but you know, Pittsburgh's expectations are high.
Speaker 1: They're seven and two at one point last year, wasn't
Speaker 1: it and didn't make Yeah yeah, seven two and one.
Speaker 1: So talking about Maker Fitzpatrick, first round pick for him,
Speaker 1: but you know, you want the Troy Paulamalo type, you know,
Speaker 1: playmaker on the back end. His first start against San Francisco,
Speaker 1: he has an interception on a deflection and uh and
Speaker 1: he also or he has an interception he and he
Speaker 1: also forces a fumble. So the last time that happened
Speaker 1: in the same game was two thousand and sixteen, William
Speaker 1: Engage did it against the Colts. So in his first
Speaker 1: game he's involved with two turnovers. Is that what they
Speaker 1: expect out of make of Fitzpatrick? And is the fan
Speaker 1: base content with giving up that first round pick for
Speaker 1: Makeum Fitzpatrick. It's a tremendous question, and it's a tremendous debate.
Speaker 1: And the direct answer the question about fitspatric is yes,
Speaker 1: that's what they're anticipating and hoping for. He attacked the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage with Blitz is a lot more than
Speaker 1: what was anticipated last week. And that was a scheme
Speaker 1: specific thing. He told us to try to disrupt the
Speaker 1: Niners run game, which is what happened. At first, they
Speaker 1: adjust him and the Niners started to run better. But
Speaker 1: they do like him a lot, and they do think
Speaker 1: he can provide that. I thought it was a crystallization
Speaker 1: of the entire debate I who loved the player. If
Speaker 1: the Steelers had a chance to take Fitstatrick in the
Speaker 1: first round last year, I wish they could have done it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's en. I don't, however, like the notion
Speaker 1: of giving up a first round pick to get him
Speaker 1: if this is in fact the first year the Steelers
Speaker 1: draft in the top ten or the top on eleven
Speaker 1: when they got Roethlisberger since two thousand and six. Because
Speaker 1: if you're drafting that high, as good as he is
Speaker 1: as a press team, if you're drafting that high, give
Speaker 1: me Roethlisberger's successor as a quarterback. Give me the next
Speaker 1: great pass rusher, you know, because Bud Dupree is gonna
Speaker 1: leave it white outside linebacker. Get these replacements. Get a
Speaker 1: replacement for Joe Hayden mc corner. Get me a more
Speaker 1: impactful position if your team is drafted in that high.
Speaker 1: Bengals were interested in Devin Bush potentially in the draft
Speaker 1: this year, they took Jonah Williams. Unfortunately, he's hurt. He's
Speaker 1: got a labrom surgery done on a labrom ter. Devin
Speaker 1: Bush twenty nine tackles leads all rookies, sixth in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. He's recovered three fumbles in three games,
Speaker 1: Number one in the National Football League. Are they happy
Speaker 1: with Bush? I noticed they don't list him as quote
Speaker 1: a starter, but he's playing a hell of a lot
Speaker 1: of snaps. Are they happy with him or is he
Speaker 1: got a lot of room to grow? Well, they should
Speaker 1: be listening to the starter now unless they're assuming that
Speaker 1: they're doing at the time to begin, because Vince Williams
Speaker 1: is hurt. So maybe it's just because they're not ruling
Speaker 1: out Williams that they don't list him that way. He's
Speaker 1: getting plenty of snaps, especially with Williams. Joss is the
Speaker 1: last well for the most part, two games. Really, the
Speaker 1: way he's been playing a lot of those tackles are
Speaker 1: not to draw an analogy to last year's star and
Speaker 1: start a rookie life backer Darius Leonard did not Dennis
Speaker 1: Leonard tackles. The ball has fortunately bounced his way by
Speaker 1: virtue of good plays. Blacker guys to get those fourth tumbles,
Speaker 1: all those tackles are downfield, he's gonna be trouble getting
Speaker 1: off the blocks. He hasn't looked quite at a depth
Speaker 1: in coverage as they've hoped. Um, you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: trust him initially to be the communicator with the green doubt,
Speaker 1: which forced him to put it on an outside learned
Speaker 1: doctor and T. J. Watt, which is the first time
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen in my years covering the team,
Speaker 1: going back to two thousand and one. Now, and he's
Speaker 1: will guys, I mean he's he was lifted small, but
Speaker 1: he looked smaller than that, and he has had some
Speaker 1: trouble getting away from the lineman that have gotten out
Speaker 1: to the second level of him. Yeah, he's not when
Speaker 1: you look at him, I mean he looks the height
Speaker 1: of his safety, I mean he's not. I'm you about
Speaker 1: five ten, yeah, five ten. I think they list him
Speaker 1: a little bit, always five ten and a half. If
Speaker 1: you look at the height comparisons between like him and
Speaker 1: She's Deer and James Barrier, they arn't all that different.
Speaker 1: But right I can tell you just being around him
Speaker 1: in the losh room like Farrier and she's here with
Speaker 1: bigger guys. Right, it doesn't feel like an inch and
Speaker 1: a half or two inches should make that much different,
Speaker 1: but it sure doesn't look that way, all right, thanks
Speaker 1: to Tim Bens. And before we wrap this up, if
Speaker 1: you'll listen to this podcast before Friday afternoon at three,
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