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Sticks? 20 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 21 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: What up? 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: You're always like laid back man like you never get 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 4: as much excitement out of you. 24 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 3: You know what's up, y'all? What what ut BEFERRONI cowboy? 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: You got all the kids in town? Are you guys 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: all love? What's New Year's even gonna look like? I 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: don't know, man gett. 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 5: I want to be probably probably start as soon as 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 5: the show was over. 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: It probably started yesterday already started continuing into today. They 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: top golfed yesterday. 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 5: So my son's actually a pretty doll going good golfer man, 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 5: the younger one. So they went to golf have a 34 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 5: good time doing that. 35 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: Did you bring Monsy? 36 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 6: Well? 37 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 5: I know she loves top golf. I know and in 38 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 5: Vegas too, of all places. We didn't take her yesterday. Sorry, 39 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 5: what's up? 40 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: Mancy? Might be we might need to retire that? 41 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: All right? So you guys want to hear John Caspary 42 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: bitch about uh about a situation that's currently going on 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: in college basketball. He recruited me cal party did Where 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: was he? 45 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 6: Then? 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: You mass? 47 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 5: That was when he had us cambi in. Yeah, they 48 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 5: had that year, that magical year they practiced on our court. 49 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 5: He came there because his his head coach was my 50 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 5: head coach. His college head coach was my high school 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 5: head coach, and they were recruiting me. So they brought 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 5: the team there to practice. He came and gave us 53 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 5: a great speech. 54 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: So, yeah, got recruited by coach cal Bob Huggins. 55 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: Who else John Thompson. 56 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about me. 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 5: I had a few Villanova recruited me. I had a 58 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 5: few few teams. You know that I just stopped growing, 59 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 5: that's all, you know, that was the problem. I would 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 5: have had to become a real basketball player if I 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 5: was going to play basketball. It's too short to just 62 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 5: use talent. 63 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: So that's wild too, because how sorry you like six 64 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 3: four six six four six four, it's like six y 65 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: three just under six four, right. 66 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: It's just funny though that like you're like this, yeah, 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 4: but this is the way you're saying it, Like I'd 68 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: have to become a real basketball player, which you know. 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: For most people like I just I don't know. I 70 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: think you were better than most. 71 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 5: I had a vertical I could jump. I think what 72 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 5: had people confused is I was getting rebounds over guys 73 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 5: that were like six nine, six ten. But it's only 74 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 5: because I could move quicker. You know, the taller they were, 75 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 5: the slower they were, and I beat I beat quads up, 76 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 5: elbowed quads, So you didn't get off the ground as quick, 77 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 5: didn't move as quick. I was like a rockman. I 78 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 5: was a work guy. I was gonna run, run, run, run, 79 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 5: use my quicks off. 80 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: The court too. 81 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah ruined me. Basketball ruined me. Football saved me. 82 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 5: Basketball ruined me. It's a different level of clout when 83 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 5: you play basketball. Man, I ain't gonna lie to you 84 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 5: like I was on the circus, you know, a bro. 85 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,559 Speaker 5: I was on the travel circuit and that that iso 86 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 5: very different than football. 87 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: Bob Huggins showed you the row. 88 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 5: So hey, brouh, it's very different from football. I don't 89 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 5: know why, like I was considered to be way handso 90 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 5: murder being a basketball player than I was a football player. 91 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 5: But it is what it is. It's still all worked 92 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 5: out so well. 93 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: I mean, the good news is you could probably go 94 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: back and play now based on I got one year, 95 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: based on what we've seen. So we talked about this 96 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: a little bit yesterday on our show. 97 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: Yes Wow. 98 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: James Naji, who was a former NBA draft pick. He 99 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: was the thirty first overall pick. I believe in twenty 100 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 2: twenty three, he's with Baylor. Now he has now gone 101 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 2: back and he's playing with Baylor, and so some people 102 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: have not been thrilled about what he's going on. Yeah, 103 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: it's the whole things wild. You got European players that 104 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: are coming in that are all it just none of 105 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: it makes any sense. And John Calipari decided, you know what, 106 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: somebody's got to speak up. 107 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: Let me be the guy. 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 7: Well, look, I don't blame coaches. You know, I've got 109 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 7: friends that are playing with twenty seven year olds and 110 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 7: they feel bad. I said, don't feel bad. We don't 111 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 7: have any rules. Why should you feel bad? But let 112 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 7: me give you this real simple. The rules bees the rules. 113 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 7: So if you put your name in the draft, I 114 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 7: don't care if you're from Russia and you stay in 115 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 7: the draft, you can't play college basketball. Well that's only 116 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 7: for American kids. What if your name is in that 117 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 7: draft and you got drafted, you can't play cup because 118 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 7: that's our rule. Yeah, but that's only for American kids. Okay, okay, 119 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 7: Now here's the next lawsuit. Well, we don't have a 120 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 7: say over European players. You do if they're playing in 121 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 7: college basketball. So that means you don't have a say 122 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 7: over high school kids. So whatever a high school kid 123 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 7: does before he comes here, don't you do one thing 124 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 7: because there's a suit, Because what you're saying is if 125 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 7: he's in Europe, we don't have the same rules. Does 126 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 7: anybody care what this is doing for seventeen and eighteen 127 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 7: year old American kids? Do you know what this opportunity 128 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 7: has done for them and their families? There aren't gonna 129 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 7: be any high school kids who other than dumb people 130 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 7: like me are going to recruit high school kids. I 131 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 7: get so much satisfaction out of coaching young kids and 132 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,119 Speaker 7: seeing them grow and make it and their family life 133 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 7: changes that I'm gonna keep doing it. 134 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: But why would anybody else? 135 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 7: If you can get NBA players, G League players, guys 136 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 7: that are twenty eight years old, guys from Europe? 137 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: Do we really know their transcript? 138 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: Do we have somebody over there? 139 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: Do we really know their birth certificate? 140 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 2: So that was John Calipari, let it be own his 141 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: feelings on the situation involving guys returning to college basketball 142 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: late into their twenties with eligibility still remaining in the 143 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: NBA draft. Charlie Baker, the NCAA president, He responded with 144 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: a statement, on Tuesday that said, quote, the NCAA is 145 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: not and will not grant eligibility to any perspective or 146 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: returning student athletes who have signed an NBA contract, including 147 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: a two way contract. Calipari was on ESPN last night 148 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: and said, well, they're moving the goalpost now because now 149 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: it's if you haven't signed a contract, you can't come back. 150 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: But when before it was if you are in the 151 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: draft and you get drafted, that's it. 152 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: And and they're saying that because of their legal expertise 153 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: that someone's provided Charlie Baker, that they feel like they 154 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: can say that and not get sued because every time 155 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: the NCAA has gone, you know, up against the judicial system, 156 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: they've lost. This is an inflection point for college sports, 157 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: and it's one of the reasons like why on our 158 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: show on two Pros, I've continually talked about this with 159 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: you guys in regards to everything kind of seems up 160 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 4: in the air, and basketball has been further ahead because 161 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 4: there's been this whole you know, at first you could 162 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: just leave right from high school and go to play 163 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: professional basketball, and then it came back in with the 164 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 4: one undone and John Calipari was one of the first 165 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: to really embrace that and embody that, but even allowing 166 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 4: that to take place was a step closer to completely 167 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: disregarding the educational component and the developmental component. And there's 168 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: elements of that that are still at play in college 169 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: football right now, and that's brought forth by the transfer 170 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 4: portal because that's now become big business. So I say 171 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: it's an inflection point for college sports in general right 172 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 4: now because we've almost looked at trying to like, in 173 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: a way private ties this whole experience for young people 174 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 4: and what this experience means. It used to mean development, 175 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 4: It used to mean getting an education. 176 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: It used to mean, you. 177 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: Know, graduating with a degree, a platform, a network, and 178 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 4: a foundation, where after you were rewarded with that, you'd 179 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 4: move on into the private sect or you'd potentially be 180 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 4: lucky enough to be one of the one to two 181 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 4: to three percent, depending on the sport, to play professionally. 182 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 4: But at some point that ends. And now we've looked 183 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 4: at it's completely different. We're like, well, wait a second, 184 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: these players should be compensated, and yet we haven't had 185 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: anyone come up with a structure that allows both things 186 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 4: to work where they can be compensated, yet at the 187 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: same time, we can still keep the educational component there 188 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 4: for them. So there's something for these young men and 189 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: women when they get done with their playing careers to 190 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: fall back on to then go search for whatever that 191 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: next is. 192 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: That's the tough part. 193 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 4: About this whole conversation is as much as we want 194 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 4: to make light of it and joke about it, there 195 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 4: is a lot of people who are impacted at the 196 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 4: high school level moving into college that are having opportunities 197 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 4: taken away from people who already had that opportunity and 198 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 4: they weren't good enough. And I'll even go as far 199 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: as saying this the NCAA whimping out with how many 200 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 4: eligibility waivers they've granted for a lot of players who 201 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 4: are now playing, you know. 202 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: Six seven years of college football. 203 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: It's the same thing that same players taking up a 204 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 4: high school players roster spot and his opportunity to crack 205 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 4: into you know, onto the field and play and make 206 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 4: his impact. 207 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: But it's all because it's become big business. Now. I 208 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: hate it where it's at. 209 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: I understand why it's where it is, and I'm not 210 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 4: like arguing for you know, student athletes not to be compensated, 211 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: but there does need to be a reckoning where someone 212 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 4: comes and saves the day. And I'm sorry, I'm just 213 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: not a believer that the federal government is going to 214 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: do it, even though it feels like every time Charlie 215 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 4: Baker speaks he's begging Congress to step in and give 216 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 4: them some sort of anti trust protection. 217 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: I think it's a it's a tremendously large conversation that 218 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 5: Kyler Perry opened because there are a lot of unknowns 219 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 5: there are, and there are a lot of different different 220 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 5: ways of doing things and different ways of seeing things. 221 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 5: And that's by sport. I mean, it's it's touched into 222 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 5: now the gender conversation. You don't even you know, need 223 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 5: to go down that road right now, but I mean 224 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 5: that is a conversation that's out there as well. You know, 225 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 5: people's ability to compete and where they're competing at. You 226 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 5: know that those lines have been now been crossed and 227 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 5: have been blurred, and those conversations are ensuing. But you know, 228 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 5: by sport, you're talking about people that are you know 229 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 5: when they say to Euros, you know it costs more, 230 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 5: it costs more to bring European players here to play 231 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 5: for one, it costs more, and a lot of times 232 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 5: they go straight from from high school to pro There 233 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 5: is no light, there is no system set up the 234 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 5: way it's set up here in America. And so if 235 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 5: you're if you are living and dying by going after 236 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 5: that that what you would call experience and trying to 237 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 5: bring that here to be able to compete and win 238 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 5: in the certain sports that exists. 239 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're right. 240 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 5: It is going to hurt what takes place with high 241 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 5: school kids and developmental situations because you're not looking to 242 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 5: develop kids. It's so interesting, we'll say, We'll hear coaches 243 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 5: say it's all about the development, it's all about the development. 244 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 5: But you you go into their practices, whether it's football, 245 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 5: whether it's basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever you choose the sport. 246 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 5: A lot of times when you go to these colleges, 247 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 5: they are not doing focused development periods like they used to. 248 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: They're not. 249 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 5: They get straight into it, they go right to it. 250 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 5: No real development. And for what it's worth. The one 251 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 5: thing that you mentioned Q that really is kind of 252 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 5: becoming a scarcity is the educational component of it. You 253 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 5: don't hear people speak on education. It's almost like the 254 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 5: nil phase of where we are in college athletics has 255 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 5: almost muted the conversation of how important education is in 256 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 5: this scenario because most of the vast majority of these 257 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 5: people will have to find a job post college career, 258 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 5: the vast, vast, vast majority of them. And so now 259 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 5: what are we doing. We're not only not preparing them 260 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 5: to be able to compete, because we want them to 261 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 5: be ready made to compete. Come in ready made. If 262 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 5: you're not ready to go, then I'm going. 263 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: With who is? 264 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 5: But now you're also talking about those the expectations have 265 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 5: have really really dowed in on what your obligations and 266 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: your duties are to your team, to your team, and 267 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 5: it only becomes an issue with your grades when your 268 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 5: grades are an issue, right, it's not. It's not, oh, 269 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 5: you didn't go to class, okay, like you're going to 270 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 5: get in trouble for that. They have rules to govern like, 271 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 5: you know, going to class and getting grades, but it's 272 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 5: really not going to be a focal point until you've 273 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 5: done something that gets you in trouble, you get bad grades, 274 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 5: you're not going to class, whatever it may be. But 275 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 5: it's not a main focal point of what's taking place. 276 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: So I look at it like there's such as such 277 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 5: a large conversation because the way we look at things. 278 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 5: Yet you go, you enter your name into the draft, 279 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 5: you can't come back. That's how I always thought it was, 280 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 5: and I thought that is what it was. 281 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: I think it was when you signed with an agent. 282 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 5: But yeah, when you when you signed with I thought 283 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 5: it was when you declare it for the draft. 284 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. And if you got drafted whatever it is, 285 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: well for for basketball, excuse me? 286 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 5: Right, Okay, So so again across sports, if you think 287 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 5: about it, you can get drafted in hockey and still 288 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 5: they go play. You can get drafted in baseball and 289 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 5: still go play. You can be a pro in volleyball 290 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 5: and still go play, you know what I mean. So 291 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 5: it's like so many different different, uh you know, ways 292 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 5: of how things are done by sport. It's this is 293 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 5: going to be a very very difficult conversation to like 294 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 5: come up with solutions for. 295 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: Let me play Devil's advocate to you, Jonas in this situation, 296 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: because wouldn't you look at this and just say, well, 297 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: isn't that isn't. 298 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: This how it's supposed to be done? 299 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: Like don't you go to college, if you're a student 300 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: to then figure out what you want to do, how 301 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 4: are you gonna make money when. 302 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 3: You get out? 303 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: And if student athletes have already been able to do 304 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: that at the college level, then yeah, I think we 305 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 4: understand the long term impact or the long term risks 306 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 4: that are involved if you don't get your degree. But 307 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: if you're making money while you're doing that, Like, isn't 308 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: that the entire goal? 309 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? 310 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: And I look at it, and I've said this to 311 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: you guys before, it doesn't feel like this is college 312 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: sports anymore. It's this in between gray area between college 313 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: and professional to where they're selling you the illusion of well, 314 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: it's college and it's a college experience and it's this 315 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: and it's that. 316 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: But there's money. 317 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: There's a lot of money. There's influence, there's agents, there's 318 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: like all of these things that are that are now 319 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: being factored into it. That's professional Like, that's pro sports. 320 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: Like that's what you deal with at the pro level. 321 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: And I don't begrudge any of them, because yes, like 322 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: that is the goal. You go to college to find 323 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: out what's my next step? What do I want to 324 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: do in life? And they've figured this out and they're 325 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: just like John Caliparty said it in the clip. He said, look, 326 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: I got friends that are you know, kind of feel bad. 327 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I would you know, question that how bad 328 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: they actually feel. Yeah, they've got twenty seven year olds 329 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: on there on the table. But John Calparty's like, well, look, 330 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: don't feel bad. We don't have any rules. There's nothing 331 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: to govern all this. And so there is also. 332 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: That John's the moral compass. 333 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: Well, and that's the other thing too, Like you know, 334 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: he made it a point, you know, to let everybody know, hey, listen, 335 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: I recruit this way. 336 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: He's self plugged. He definitely shamelessly plugged. 337 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: He was. He was one of the first guys that 338 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: went one and done all the way through. I mean, 339 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 2: Brady knows his time in Kentucky, John Caliparty's time there. 340 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: Bring it up now. 341 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: So he's like he's I mean, look, he's one of 342 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 4: the he's a Hall of Fame recruiter. 343 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: Now what he's done with some of those teams. 344 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: A little disappointed as far as the development, but again, 345 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: you well, when you only have one year to make 346 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 4: it work to your point, levard it's tough like that, 347 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 4: and I think that's one of the issues too. With 348 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 4: even looking at like college football, where you've got to 349 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: be outle of high school for three years before your 350 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: draft eligible. But nowadays coaches instead of looking at a 351 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 4: guy that gets there in high school and maybe he 352 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: has to put on twenty thirty pounds and maybe you 353 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 4: has to learn how to play the position or learn 354 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 4: their scheme and then and then adapt to you know, 355 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 4: the challenges of being like a maturing adult with your 356 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 4: time management, being away from home, all that stuff. You know, 357 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: Now they just go, well, that guy's not ready, We're 358 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 4: going to find some of the transfer portal that's right, 359 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: and they bring in a guy who they've seen on 360 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: film can do the things that they're looking for. And 361 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 4: again that's NFL, that is free agency. That is exactly 362 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 4: what's happening. And it's important too because you know, not 363 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 4: it's not happening in college quite as much because there's 364 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 4: so much money with somebody his head coaching positions, so 365 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 4: the buyouts are too big. But you know, as far 366 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 4: as being a one and done coach, but there's elements 367 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: of I think for players and families and the frustration 368 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 4: of not getting the development they're hoping for, at least 369 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 4: at some places like I don't want to speak for 370 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: everyone because everyone's you know, there's different schools that I 371 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 4: think do it right, and I think there's you know, 372 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 4: unique circumstances that are involved in some of this always. 373 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 4: But for football, for sure, because it's such a developmental sport. 374 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: You know, there's guys who their bodies changed dramatically. 375 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 4: And for basketball, it's a little bit different because there 376 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: they've always been on the fast track. They identify kids 377 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 4: in junior high as you talked about when you're on 378 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 4: that AAU circuit and you're one of those dudes like 379 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 4: Cooper Flag. 380 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: People knew about Cooper Flag for forever ago, now. 381 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 5: Have you that's everybody and that And that's a great point, 382 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 5: and I know we're up on it, but don't you 383 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 5: think it now has to start earlier, like we have 384 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 5: to like the way we approach athletics has to be 385 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 5: looked at differently now. And it's interesting because it's something 386 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 5: that I'm working on. I'm actually going to be teaching 387 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 5: at Penn State upcoming semester. You have to learn teach. 388 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 3: Arrington. You're not going to be you're being Professor Arrington. 389 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 5: And part of writing the curriculum too, and you got 390 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 5: to move there. 391 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 3: What are you doing? 392 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it has to It has to be 393 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 5: a coming of uh of terms that extracurricular needs to 394 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 5: be thrown out for sports. We've been brainwashed to look 395 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 5: at sports as extra curricular. But there's so many opportunities 396 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 5: that exist in sports, from agents to money managers, to 397 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 5: legal representation, to the athlete themselves, to marketing and branding 398 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 5: and advertising. There's so many opportunities that exist in the category. 399 00:20:52,920 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: We have to stop segregating, separating athletics from amics. And 400 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 5: I think that that's the biggest thing. We have been 401 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 5: brainwashed from day one to think that everything else is 402 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 5: more important. 403 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: Go to school, what do you do? 404 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 5: You take your classes, and then when you're done with school, 405 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 5: then you go do the extracurricular things like playing a sport, 406 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 5: the sport that you're playing for. You have to there 407 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 5: has to be a understanding that the training, the development, 408 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 5: the preparation of how you're how you're being educated at 409 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 5: the younger levels has to become I think it has 410 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 5: to become more of a focal point. And I know 411 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 5: we see these different schools that are like an IMG. 412 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 5: You know, you see it at these different places that 413 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 5: have the money and the resources to do it. But 414 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 5: there has to be a different approach to how we 415 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 5: view athletics moving forward as this NIL era continues to grow. 416 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 5: Because it's impacting the high school level, it's impacting, it's. 417 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: Impacting middle school. 418 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: Like youth athletics is being impacted by the in il 419 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 5: and and so to me, there's a preparation that isn't 420 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 5: taking place. And to be educated as kids, to be 421 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 5: educated as. 422 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: Parents, as adults. They don't know. 423 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: When you guys were in high school, do you remember 424 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: taking a finance class? 425 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 5: Yes, I learned how to write checks, I learned how 426 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 5: to balance my check work. 427 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: I learned how to do all those things. But it 428 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 3: was it was well standing. 429 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, the simple stuff. 430 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: Correct. 431 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: There should be something to Hey, you're gonna have a 432 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: lot of money coming your way at a really young age. 433 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: Let us teach you what it could be. Now it 434 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: could be now, like make that part of the requirement 435 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 2: if you want. You've got to learn how this works. 436 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: So at least you've given them the tools. If they 437 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: don't use it, that's fine, but at least you've given 438 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 2: them the opportunity to learn. 439 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: And and then I think that's part of some of 440 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: the curriculum. Now, that's that's inherent to every nil program 441 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 4: and every school and the college level, you know, as 442 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 4: far as high school. It's kind of it's it's tough 443 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 4: to do that because you're really talking about like the 444 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 4: one point one percent. It's such a small population that 445 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 4: falls in this category. 446 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 3: I mean even across that. 447 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 5: Will go pro, that will go pro, sure, But but 448 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 5: the idea of understanding the business of sport, that's everybody. 449 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 5: That's that's all, and they should have the opportunity to 450 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 5: be educated that way. Somebody that that played with you 451 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 5: on the football team could have been a part of 452 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 5: your business unit moving forward through school. 453 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: You know, they could have been the person that. 454 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 5: Was making sure that your your branding was was correct. 455 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 5: Like what is Brady Brady's brand? We're going to make 456 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 5: sure that brand is built and pronounced. What what is 457 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 5: he doing financially? Like is he able to generate modeling 458 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 5: gigs and stuff like that? 459 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: He's got the meat wagon, come on whatever? 460 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 5: Who but think about it, his best friends are his 461 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 5: best friends and they're still buddies from high school. 462 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: The role doing anything to help this process. 463 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 3: There's a role for everybody is what I'm saying. 464 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 5: And if that role is carrying the bags and it 465 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 5: might be carrying the bags and meat wagon, your your back. 466 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 5: We're people too, bro, I'm with you on that. Don't 467 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 5: let them hold you down, man, just be who you are. 468 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: But I'm just. 469 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 5: Saying there is the idea that the educating of what 470 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 5: sport represents it should not be looked at as extracurricular. 471 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 5: You know, we don't look at you preparing to be 472 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 5: a scientist as being extracurricular. We don't look at you 473 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 5: being an architect or a lawyer as being extracurricular. 474 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: So let's look. 475 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 5: At something that is a tremendous fabric of what our 476 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 5: culture and our society is, which is sports, and make 477 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 5: it more of a focal point so that we can 478 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 5: actually have prepared parents and student athletes that are more 479 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 5: enlightened and understanding what the landscape presents. People don't even 480 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 5: know what NIL is. Still to this day, ask some people. 481 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: About what NIL is. They wouldn't be able to tell 482 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: you what it is. 483 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 5: So educating them at an earlier age get parents on 484 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 5: the same page at an earlier age for both those 485 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 5: who will continue on to be pros and those who 486 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 5: will continue on to be students. I might have been 487 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 5: a really really good football player and a basketball player 488 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 5: at the high school level. I'm not going to make 489 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 5: it at the college level, but I still want to 490 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 5: be a part of that sport. You're now giving them 491 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 5: opportunities as well. You're opening up the gates to having 492 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 5: people be more empowered with the changing landscape of what 493 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 5: sports represents. 494 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: Now. 495 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 5: That's to me, I feel like that's what's grossly missing 496 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 5: in America because they don't play that. In Europe, they 497 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 5: don't play that. If you are good, they come get 498 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 5: you and you're out of there. You're already it's already 499 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 5: what it is. But here we don't do that. In fact, 500 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 5: we frown on it. If we give if we give 501 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 5: benefits and favoritism to elites in athletics, it's frowned upon, 502 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 5: and people try to find rules to govern in it 503 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 5: and keep them from doing it. I've seen more than 504 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 5: enough kids get, you know, suspended for seasons because they 505 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 5: wanted to go play out of school where there was 506 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 5: better coaching or better exposure or better education. 507 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 3: On what it is that they're they're trying to do. 508 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 5: There's always a roadblock that we're putting up to try 509 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 5: to block the idea of forwarding sports. 510 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 3: And I don't understand that that it has to change 511 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: at this point. 512 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think part of that curriculum should be radio 513 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: formatics as well. 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Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 524 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 525 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: listen live. Polly Fools Go Here with Tony Foods Go Yeah. 526 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: As everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning 527 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: Polly and Tony Foods Go show. 528 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, But instead of us telling you how great we are, 529 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 8: here's how Dan Patrick described us when he came on our. 530 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: Show, quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated, What are you doing 531 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: interrupting our promo? 532 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you wasn't talking about you. 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For over forty years, tire 560 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: Rack's been helping customers find the right tires for how, 561 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: what and where they drive. Shipped fast and freedback by 562 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: free Road, has a protection with convenient installation options like 563 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: mobile tire installation tire rack dot com the way tire 564 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 2: buying should be. So do you remember how when Christian 565 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: McCaffrey and Leonard Fournette opted out of bowl games and 566 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: it was like how could they? Like, how could you 567 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: do that to your teammates? You know, how could you? 568 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: They're trying to get ready for the draft, and it 569 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: was just like there was all this criticism that was 570 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: levy towards them, and then you know, Notre Dame ops 571 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: out of wanting to play in a bowl game, and 572 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: they got all sorts of heat about it what you're 573 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: too good for the bull? Yes, yes, as a matter 574 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: of fact, yeah, believe it or not, there are certain 575 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: people in college sports that are better than others like 576 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: that that it is. I don't want to say beneath them, 577 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: but yeah, they can get to places and get to 578 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: where they want to go and not need everything that 579 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: comes along with every other program or every other player 580 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: in the sport. And I don't think that you look 581 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: at And what reminds me of this is years ago, 582 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: do kind of really down year and they decided to 583 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: not partake in the n I T and they got 584 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: a lot of heat for it, and it was like, well, 585 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: what are too good for the endite? Yes? Yeah, as 586 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, we have options. And I feel 587 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: like there's sort of a bitterness towards players and programs 588 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: who have options who are bigger than some of these 589 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: other things that are thrown on their lap and other 590 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: things that are out there in the world of college sports. 591 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you guys see that as 592 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: well too, but I definitely see it. And I've never 593 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: had an issue with a player or a team deciding 594 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 2: what they want us to do is not in our 595 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: best interest. Despite whether or not anybody likes it or not. 596 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: I think that's what's a good point. 597 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just say I would say for me, 598 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 5: I didn't opt out. And so there's personal personal assessments 599 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 5: and then there's sensible assessments. The sensible side of me says, 600 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 5: it's your choice. You know, if you're at the point 601 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 5: in your career where you're about to go to the pros, 602 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 5: I mean you think of who is the young man 603 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 5: and that was Dope linebacker for Notre Dame Smith plays 604 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 5: and plays in the game, and and Jackson's lag up 605 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 5: or McGahee jackes lag up, and those are extreme. Those 606 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 5: are extreme cases. But I mean, do you want to 607 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 5: risk being one of the extreme cases that could alter 608 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 5: what your future is. So I look at it from 609 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 5: that perspective and say, if somebody wants to, you know, 610 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 5: say listen, I'm going to prepare for the next level. 611 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 5: For what it's worth, our regular season is finished, this 612 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 5: is the bowl season. 613 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to opt out. Like I get that. 614 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 6: Now. 615 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: It's a little. 616 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 5: Harder to make that determination with the playoffs because you 617 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 5: still have a chance to win the national title. And 618 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 5: that would to me not mean that your season is over. 619 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 5: But if it's just a regular bowl game, you know, 620 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 5: if it is the n I T Tournament and you 621 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 5: are a classic blue blood team that generally plays in 622 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 5: the regular tournament, I don't I don't see there being 623 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 5: an issue you with it. But I do think it's cool. 624 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 5: Like Deny, you know, Dennis Deny Sutton. You know, he 625 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 5: he played and he bald and I probably butchered his name. 626 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 5: I might have messed it up because I got used 627 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 5: to calling his name different. But anyway, he balled out, 628 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 5: balled out for Penn State because I called him Deny. 629 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 5: That's all I call him. But behind did you try 630 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 5: to put them all together? Sometimes I put him in 631 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 5: the wrong order, But anyway, you know, but Zaye Durant 632 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 5: opted out, you know, Zaki Wheatley, he opted out. And 633 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 5: I don't feel any differently about them than I do 634 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 5: with Dennis playing in the game. So I just think 635 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 5: it's a personal deal. Don't get to, like you said, 636 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 5: caught up personally into it. 637 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, look to that point, there's individual decisions. I think 638 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 4: there's teams decisions too. What's interesting to me about this 639 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 4: where we're venturing to in college football because you point 640 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: out that about Duke, and I think it's always kind 641 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 4: of existed too for some of the bigger programs that 642 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 4: if they do have that down year, if they. 643 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: Don't go to the n I, you know, it's kind 644 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: of view to so be it. 645 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 4: Like the transfer portal has changed a lot of that 646 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 4: because your roster turnover is so significant, and I think 647 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 4: if you look at it from a football perspective nowadays, 648 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 4: I mean, if you're not a part of the College 649 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 4: Football Playoff, you're probably gonna be losing a good amount 650 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 4: of players either to the portal, to their eligibility being up, 651 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 4: which maybe is in question nowadays, or you know, to 652 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 4: go into the NFL. And if that's the case, you know, 653 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 4: are you really putting your brand, your program the best 654 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 4: foot forward when you go out and play some of 655 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 4: these bowl games. 656 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: Probably not? 657 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 6: Right. 658 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 4: I mean, like, do Tennessee losing the Illinois do anything 659 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 4: to help their program or the perception of the SEC. 660 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 661 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 4: And again I'm not saying that they shouldn't go out 662 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 4: there and play because it's another opportunity to go out 663 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 4: there and play football. 664 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 3: It's the greatest game of the world. 665 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 4: In my opinion, But we also act like this isn't 666 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 4: a business and just talking from the NNIL side and 667 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 4: how agents talk to these now, that's how it's structured. 668 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 4: Like you play your regular season, if you play for 669 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 4: a national championship, every single agent that's representing these kids 670 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 4: are going to tell you to go out there and play. Now, 671 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 4: they might be trying to leverage what you're getting paid 672 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 4: to get paid more if you're a team that's part 673 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 4: of the playoff. We heard about that story last year 674 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 4: with nigo Ia Malaiava and Tennessee before they played Ohio State, 675 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 4: they were trying to redo the contract get paid more. 676 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 3: So that sort of stuff is going on. 677 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: But when you really peeled all back, you know, it 678 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 4: doesn't sometimes make as much sense for some of those 679 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 4: brands in those schools, you know, but again it's their 680 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 4: own individual choice. I don't have a problem with a 681 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 4: guy sitting out or even a team at this point 682 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 4: only because if they're going to have a lot of 683 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 4: moving parts with all of it, then why not focus 684 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 4: on what is to be that next season and everyone, 685 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 4: especially for teams that have guys coming back. I mean, 686 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 4: let's say, for example, last night, Jade Mayava got hurt 687 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 4: that I was going to impact his ability to start 688 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 4: the following year. Does that make that game worth it 689 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 4: for sc especially in hindsight losing the way you did. 690 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 3: Probably not. 691 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 4: And so I just that whole question of these exhibition games, 692 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 4: these additional bowl games, then their existence, like it's it's 693 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 4: gonna come to the forefront here soon. 694 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a I don't know. I look 695 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 2: at it and I go, there's a lot of people 696 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 2: speaking on behalf of choices being made that have nothing 697 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 2: to do with them. I literally have nothing to do 698 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: with them, does not does not impact them, does not 699 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 2: benefit them. Like you mentioned Jalen smith Man, remember Jake, 700 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: But Jake Butt was thought to be like a really 701 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 2: top prospect in the NFL tight end. He got it, 702 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: he got his leg ripped up in a Bowl game. 703 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 2: Like it's just like, so you want them to just 704 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 2: risk it so that you could, you know, seeing what 705 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: dump cheese. It's on their head like everybody else is 706 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: doing it. Why can't you do it? Okay, Well, I 707 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: don't know, because I've got to fifty. 708 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 3: That's the reality if you really peel back that. 709 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 4: The business model is most of these ball games, these 710 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 4: exhibition ball games are owned by ESPN. 711 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 3: If there was forty of them, about half I. 712 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 4: Think sold off some of them and some are obviously 713 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 4: owned by others, But when you really look at it, 714 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 4: most of them are owned by ESPN, so it's kind 715 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 4: of their own creation. It's part of their business model 716 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 4: for this time of year because their ratings for these 717 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 4: bull games are typically higher than many of these teams 718 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 4: usually you know face like I guarantee you Coastal Carolina 719 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 4: and Louis Gonna Tech yesterday probably rated higher than any 720 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 4: of their other games this season because it was on 721 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 4: in a spot where it was a standalone nothing's up 722 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 4: against him, and people are dying for some sort of sports. 723 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 4: There's gambos who want to bet, so that's all part 724 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 4: of you know, their model to make money off it. 725 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 4: So there's no one gets more upset about it than 726 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 4: ESPN when a team opts out there not part. 727 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 3: Of their you know, postseason business model. 728 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 4: But does it make sense for anyone else you know 729 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 4: that that's involved in the process, the coaches, the players, 730 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 4: maybe not. I mean again, like this is not a 731 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 4: part of them getting paid additionally, and that's a conversation 732 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 4: we have to start. 733 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 3: Having that that's the bigger conversation, you. 734 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 4: Know, like like we're not getting like bowl game bonuses 735 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 4: for these players if they get in the playoff. Maybe 736 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 4: is structured in there, but like we're not to that 737 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 4: point yet. We don't have a CBA for the players. 738 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 4: There's not a union that's you know, collective, collectively bargaining 739 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 4: against whatever power structure is created. 740 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of Joe. 741 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: Filling in for the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox 742 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady, Quinn, Jonas Knox with You 743 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: will be taking you all the way up until noon 744 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 2: Eastern time nine o'clock Pacific. Up next though, it's a 745 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 2: little something we do on our weekday morning show. 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Just search two pros FSR and subscribe. 764 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 6: And you know. 765 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of great guests in the year 766 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five on the Dan Patrick Show, but it's 767 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 2: all time for the main event. It all leads up 768 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 2: to this, the final guest of the Dan Patrick Show, 769 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 2: the main event for twenty twenty five. Then Petro's Papadakis, 770 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 2: let's go co host of the Petros and Money Show, 771 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 2: which you can hear on the Blowtorch AM five to 772 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 2: seven e LA Sports Fox College football analysts get him 773 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 2: on X at the Old p and he is our 774 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 2: good buddy, Petros. Happy New Year to you and yours. 775 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 6: Happy New Year? 776 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 2: Where you at? 777 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 6: He? Oh it goes, what do I not sound good? 778 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 2: No, you're sound great. 779 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: You don't sound like you normally sound. 780 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 6: Though, no no, I explained that I'm on vacation. I'm 781 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 6: actually in the desert here in a Rancho mirage right now. 782 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 6: I'm actually in the Palm Desert area because I'm driving 783 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 6: to yoga. So I'm very happy to be joining you 784 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 6: guys and happy New Year. And I have been listening 785 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 6: to the show while you guys have been doing your 786 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 6: excellent work the last few days. 787 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 3: Oh wow, thanks thanks Peving. I got to ask you 788 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 3: after last night's outcome, an I'll live that any thoughts. 789 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,479 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, my father asked me at halftime while 790 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 6: I was at dinner with my family and my daughter 791 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 6: was throwing a fit because it was Baja Tuesday at 792 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 6: the club and they didn't have any other food available 793 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 6: other than Mexican food, which I guess she doesn't like, 794 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 6: because she was very upset and it was a struggle. 795 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 6: And my dad asked me at halftime what I think 796 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 6: was going to happen? What I thought was going to 797 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 6: happen in the game, And I told him that I 798 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 6: thought it was going to be a back and forth 799 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 6: event all the way down the stretch, even though USC 800 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 6: was playing against a walk on quarterback. I know they 801 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 6: had a few guys opting out as well, but that 802 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 6: was a walk on cornerback, and he led TCU to 803 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 6: victory over USC with their all world quarterback by Allah, 804 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 6: and obviously the tackling in the fourth corner of the 805 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 6: inability to end the game on offense and hold on 806 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 6: to the ball and run the ball when you need 807 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 6: to run the ball. I mean, you guys saw the 808 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 6: same thing. You guys watch USC all the time. It's 809 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 6: the same old story. An unorganized team, a special teams penalty. 810 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 6: I talked to Daniel Teremiah. He made the point on 811 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 6: Twitter that they're best receiver. The only guy that was 812 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 6: baking plays was not in on the third down and overtime, 813 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 6: wasn't even in the game, and they had a giant 814 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 6: noseguard like a three hundred and fifty pound guy with 815 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 6: a three man rush on third and twenty who doesn't 816 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 6: need to be on. I mean, just disorganize, overall uninspiring mediocrity, 817 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 6: which you've come to expect from the Lincoln Riley USC teams, SEEZ. 818 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 3: So where do they go from here? Then? 819 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 5: Then Petro's I mean, obviously we've we've been having extended 820 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 5: conversations about the whole doing away with the rivalry game 821 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 5: between those TEAMEN and USC. Then you see a game 822 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 5: like this take place with USC, and like, how does that, 823 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 5: I mean, does that have any bearing on the conversation 824 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 5: like where you go from here? Like are people going 825 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 5: to pony up money and say, Okay, we want to 826 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 5: go in a different direction? Then what's going on with 827 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 5: what we got going on now? Or do you stay 828 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 5: right in the same space that you're in because maybe 829 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,879 Speaker 5: it's not affordable or fiscally sound to try to move 830 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 5: into a different a different place in your you know, 831 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 5: in your school's history. 832 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 6: Big go. I think if Brady made the point the 833 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 6: other day, I think if USC really had the money, 834 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 6: they would buy out Lincoln Riley and stop trying to 835 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 6: convince themselves that they're with somebody that's really special as 836 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 6: the head coach and allow that guy to manipulate the 837 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 6: schedule the way he has and to basically embrace mediocrity. 838 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 6: And I realized the USC teams I played on were 839 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 6: mediocre and maybe even less than that, But we didn't 840 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 6: embrace mediocrety. We went and played the schedule and thought 841 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 6: of ourselves as a high standard football team where the 842 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 6: bar is very high at a place, and our coaches 843 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 6: got fired when we didn't win. And I don't really 844 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 6: know where they go from here, Levarn To be honest, 845 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 6: I think they kind of think further into mediocrity. We 846 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 6: haven't seen any other evidence. They occasionally will win a 847 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 6: big game that gives the fans a little bit of hope, 848 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 6: but they always seem to regrets to the mean, which 849 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,240 Speaker 6: is what you've seen from Lincoln Riley over the years. 850 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 2: Is this the I don't know. I don't know if 851 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 2: beginning of the end is the right term for it. 852 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: But if you know the manipulation of the schedules, you 853 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,479 Speaker 2: you know, have an easier schedule and you're not having 854 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 2: to deal with you know, Notre Dame any longer. And 855 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 2: then him coming out and placing blame on Notre Dame 856 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 2: if they go into next year and they're not a 857 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 2: playoff team again, like does did this? Maybe fast track 858 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 2: the conversation about ar Well, maybe he's not the guy. 859 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 2: Maybe we do need to make some changes and move 860 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 2: forward in a different direction. 861 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 6: Well, when they lost a bunch of games in Caleb 862 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 6: Williams was the quarterback in year two, that was probably 863 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 6: the biggest red flag and then it just kind of 864 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 6: dissipated from there, and I got to say the stuff 865 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 6: I saw on Twitter where you guys were talking about it, 866 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,439 Speaker 6: and Brady made his points about the Big ten and 867 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 6: Lincoln Riley. Oh wait, there's an ambulance going by. There's 868 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 6: a lot of ambulances in the desert. One of these 869 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,919 Speaker 6: days I'll be in one. There's a lot of old 870 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 6: people out here. 871 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 3: Somebody on their way to the outer beyond. Huh. 872 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 6: I don't know. It seems to I think it's going 873 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 6: to pick somebody up. It's going to have to turn 874 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 6: around and go to the Eisenhower Metal. You know that. 875 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 6: I've visited family members at the Betty Ford that's out here, 876 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 6: and you would never know where the Betty Ford is. 877 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 6: It has such a little sign, you know, the very 878 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 6: famous Betty Ford rehab m And I haven't. 879 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,399 Speaker 3: Heard of it until today. I was today years old 880 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 3: when I heard of it, But now no Betty. 881 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 6: FOURD clink Jonas, have you ever heard of Benny of course? 882 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Betty Ford Clinic. 883 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been there. It's a visitor. 884 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 2: It's filled with quitters, not a fan. 885 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 6: Well, it's like one hundred and twenty degrees and people 886 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 6: are wearing sweatshirts and shiver and smoking cigarettes outside. Crazy Anyway, 887 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 6: I couldn't have said it any better than the way 888 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 6: Brady spoke about the pr campaign that USC has tried 889 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 6: to launch and used a couple of their key figures 890 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 6: of social media to help do so, and trying to 891 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 6: pile on the whole Notre Dame thing and find a 892 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 6: way to wriggle out of this just because they have 893 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 6: a head coach who has been as disappointing and much 894 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 6: more expensive than Clay Helton that doesn't want to play 895 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 6: Notre Dame. They've allowed this to dissipate and I cannot 896 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 6: believe it again. I walk around just in shock of 897 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 6: how this situation deteriorated to the point where we're going 898 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 6: to have USC football players in the next two years 899 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 6: probably beyond that that are not going to be able 900 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 6: to take the field against Notre Dame. And I don't 901 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 6: care about Mexico City or that's the stupidest thing I've 902 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 6: ever heard. You play in South Bend and you plan 903 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 6: the coliseum, that's what the rivalry is about. So I 904 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 6: am disgusted. I'm absolutely disgusted. I know that I didn't 905 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 6: win a Heisman, or really wasn't even that great of 906 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 6: a back or whatever. But I've had a long time 907 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 6: radio show and voice or whatever doing this job, and 908 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 6: I've never been so shocked and disappointed in the outcome 909 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 6: of the situation in my life. It's an absolute travesty 910 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 6: what's happening at us, And I think it's pretty obvious 911 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,919 Speaker 6: to most people. Wow. 912 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I want to kind of talk more big picture. 913 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 4: I mean I would just quickly say this. I mean, look, 914 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,959 Speaker 4: I was someone who dr Meyer there, I mean, didn't 915 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 4: beat Ess and I think to think that, regardless of 916 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 4: the outcome of the game, just not to have the 917 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 4: opportunity to play in such a game. I mean, I'll 918 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 4: be honest with you. I hate the fact that Notre 919 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 4: Name is to play Michigan anymore. That game meant as 920 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 4: much to me as any because I almost went to Michigan. 921 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 4: You know, that was one of my final schools I 922 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,439 Speaker 4: looked at. And so even that rivalry going away, which 923 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,359 Speaker 4: I know it's coming back in the future for Notre Dame, 924 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,959 Speaker 4: but I hated seeing that. 925 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 3: So so all of these going away. 926 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 4: It's it's unfortunate because to your point, you know, you 927 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 4: don't have the opportunity as a player to compete in it, 928 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 4: to have the feeling that that game feels because they 929 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 4: do it does feel different, and to create a legacy 930 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 4: off that. I think that's the thing that bothers me 931 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 4: the most is when you've got guys who've won a 932 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 4: Heisman or guys who jerseys are retired, who pander to 933 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 4: the idea of not playing that game when their legacy 934 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 4: he's built off of it. That's what probably bothers me 935 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 4: the most is it sounds selfish like they don't want 936 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 4: the other players who follow them to have that same opportunity. 937 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 4: But we talked about this early and I don't know 938 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 4: if you heard us talking about the comments from John 939 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 4: Kyler party and really in relation to college basketball, But 940 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 4: when you look at what's happening and guys who have 941 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 4: gotten drafted in the NBA and have played in professional 942 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 4: leagues in Europe all that, I think in college basketball 943 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 4: it might be more egregious with what's happening than even 944 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 4: college football, which has its own issues. Do you kind 945 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,840 Speaker 4: of look at this and just say, like this entire 946 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 4: thing is messed up, like someone has to intervene to 947 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 4: fix it. Otherwise we're headed down a road where I 948 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 4: don't think it's good for any of the young people 949 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 4: that are involved. 950 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the ball kind of started rolling down 951 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 6: the hill with nil, and we all had nixed feelings 952 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 6: about it because one of the great things about a 953 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 6: college locker room is there's not a number next to 954 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 6: half everybody's name. Well, you got a guy like LeVar 955 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 6: Arrington whose locker is next to you, you might recognize 956 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 6: that he's a little different from you. But at the 957 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 6: same time, that was one of the magical things about 958 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 6: college football. But we also wanted to see the money. 959 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 6: We've seen a lot of money being generated over the years, 960 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 6: and we wanted to see that money go to some 961 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 6: of the guys that are at risk and the guys 962 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 6: that are generating in the guys whose jerseys they're selling. 963 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 6: So all of that kind of sort of happened simultaneously 964 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 6: with the television contracts becoming gigantic and the television companies 965 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 6: starting to take control of where the NCAA probably used 966 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,319 Speaker 6: to be, kind of jumping into that power vacuum, and 967 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 6: the transfer portal, of course, became a big part of this, 968 00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 6: and a lot of these programs have just absolutely become 969 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 6: not as recognizable. I mean, look at Indiana, sometimes in 970 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 6: a good way, but I think the ball started rolling 971 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,720 Speaker 6: as a pebble down a hill, and now, yeah, we're headed. 972 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 6: We're headed in an unsustainable direction, I guess I would say, 973 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 6: is where we're going when you have a guy like 974 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,439 Speaker 6: Kenny Dillingham, who's a great coach and a very charismatic guy, 975 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 6: and hey, you just need to stroke a check as 976 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,320 Speaker 6: if it's some kind of a you know, twenty million 977 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 6: dollar check. Just there's somebody here in Arizona to stroke 978 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 6: a check for us for twenty million dollars. And the 979 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,280 Speaker 6: one thing they don't tell you is, okay, twenty million dollars. 980 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 6: Is he going to do it again next year? Is 981 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 6: he going to do it again in twenty twenty seven, 982 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 6: Is he going to do it again in twenty thirty 983 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 6: or she? I mean, it's it's just not a sustainable situation. 984 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,840 Speaker 6: And none of us want to look at what's underneath 985 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:01,400 Speaker 6: the iceberg because everybody on the TV side and at 986 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 6: the universities is making a lot of money, and the 987 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 6: players are making money where they never made money before. 988 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 6: So people are happy with the money in their pocket 989 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 6: and I think they're turning a blind eye to the 990 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 6: direction we're hitting it, which is off a cliff. 991 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, where did the impact the way? 992 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 3: Good? John? 993 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 2: No, I was just going to where does the term 994 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 2: stroke a check? Where does that land for you? As 995 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 2: far as amongst your favorite used by a coach in 996 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 2: recent memory, my favorite. 997 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 6: Thing that a coach ever said to me was an 998 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 6: air raid coach sadly on the bron side of an 999 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 6: air raid team that had Pat Mahomes as the quarterback. 1000 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 6: So in Texas Tech, they had a defensive coordinator and 1001 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,919 Speaker 6: he said to and they were losing, you know, half 1002 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 6: their games, scoring fifty points a game and giving up 1003 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 6: fifty one. And the defensive coordinator was very sad, and 1004 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 6: he said, all we need is three stops, and we 1005 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 6: can't get him. 1006 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,760 Speaker 3: You gotta start with one before you can get dound 1007 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 3: like he. 1008 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 6: Had something like to win, all we need is three stops. 1009 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 4: Ever, Weekend get I think I know which coach you're 1010 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 4: referred to as well, which if it's if it's who, 1011 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 4: I think it was one of the all time great 1012 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 4: production meeting interviews. 1013 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 3: Ever, is he not the best? 1014 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 6: He's up there with the UTSA guy that trailer is 1015 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 6: pretty epically all we need. Yeah, he's great, All we 1016 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 6: need is three stops and we can't get him. I 1017 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 6: would say is still number one. Uh, stroke a check 1018 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:50,319 Speaker 6: is top fan though, because just how asinine. Hey, all 1019 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,279 Speaker 6: you gotta do is you know somebody out here is 1020 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 6: going to stroke a check for twenty million dollars. How 1021 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 6: much do you even make in a year? Canny like 1022 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,880 Speaker 6: twenty million dollars. 1023 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 3: A few coins? It's absurd. Does this does this impact 1024 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:05,279 Speaker 3: the way? 1025 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 5: Does this impact the way you're going to watch this 1026 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 5: year's Are you going to watch this year's college football playoffs? 1027 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 5: And how does it like, how does all of this 1028 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 5: conversation that we're talking about does it impact you at all? 1029 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,279 Speaker 5: Or do you not even give a down while you're 1030 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 5: watching the game? Like do you just enjoy the game? 1031 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,560 Speaker 5: Sometime I find it hard to enjoy just watching a 1032 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,000 Speaker 5: game because we talk about so many things that are 1033 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:27,879 Speaker 5: connected to it. 1034 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, Uh, you know, it kind of made 1035 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 6: the season crappy in a way because and it's not 1036 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,520 Speaker 6: your fault, LeVar, but the biggest story of the season 1037 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,600 Speaker 6: was was started with James Franklin, Right, So I get it, 1038 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 6: I hear you. You know, when he gets fired, we 1039 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 6: stop talking about the field and we started talking about 1040 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 6: the coaching carousel, and you know then that bleeds into 1041 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 6: Notre Dame versus Miami versus Uh versus USC. I mean, 1042 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 6: we've had you know, when we have the games, we 1043 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 6: talk all this stupid crap because the sport is so 1044 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 6: messed up all year round, and then when we finally 1045 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,799 Speaker 6: have the games, we still are too distracted by the 1046 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 6: off the field stuff to really appreciate the teams in 1047 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 6: the playoffs. That being said, the transfer portal makes it 1048 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,400 Speaker 6: kind of hard to know who's on what team. You know, 1049 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 6: we used to watch these guys like you and Brady, 1050 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 6: you know, Carson Palmer play year in and year out 1051 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,399 Speaker 6: and develop as their career went on. And we don't 1052 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 6: really have that luxury anymore. The coaches that retain people 1053 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 6: and that's a new college football word, but the coaches 1054 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 6: that retain people seem to be the ones that have 1055 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,239 Speaker 6: moost success if they have a healthy program. But no, 1056 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 6: I mean I watch because I have to watch, and 1057 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 6: because I have to talk about it. I don't really 1058 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,319 Speaker 6: have anything else to do, and I enjoy Look, I 1059 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 6: enjoyed the your games just because if you know somebody playing, 1060 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,440 Speaker 6: or you're familiar with somebody, then it's enjoyable to watch. 1061 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 6: And I enjoyed the bigger games too. Sometimes I have 1062 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 6: to mute the announcers a lot of the time, but 1063 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 6: other than that, I watch it with a relatively enthusiastic eye. 1064 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 2: I would say, is there anything about college football, Petros 1065 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,759 Speaker 2: before we let you go that you wish got more 1066 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,480 Speaker 2: attention that was talked about, more so than some of 1067 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,960 Speaker 2: the negative stuff that people tend to focus on. 1068 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I've always said this, and I can't 1069 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 6: really think of anything off the top of my head 1070 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,759 Speaker 6: other than that tactus at Arizona where they stick the 1071 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 6: football on it, you know when they get a turnover. 1072 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 6: That's pretty good. I don't think we talk enough. I 1073 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 6: don't think we talk enough about that. 1074 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 3: The celebrations, yeah, I like it, Yeah, but. 1075 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 6: I think they actually take your football if they pick 1076 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 6: it off, like they stick your ball, and then pay 1077 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 6: you the sixty bucks or whatever it is, you know 1078 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:10,719 Speaker 6: after the game. 1079 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,320 Speaker 3: Pretty fires like that. 1080 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 6: That is my That's a pure speculation, but I think 1081 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 6: it should be talked about more. 1082 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:21,400 Speaker 2: Uh. 1083 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,880 Speaker 6: But the other thing I would say is college football 1084 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,799 Speaker 6: has always been this way, And I've always described it 1085 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,960 Speaker 6: this way. It's a big cauldron of a lot of things. 1086 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 6: A lot of people of great character and a lot 1087 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 6: of the opposite of that, and a lot of people 1088 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 6: with the right agenda to help others and to be 1089 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,959 Speaker 6: a servant to others, and then a lot of people 1090 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,319 Speaker 6: that are servants to themselves and themselves only. And I've 1091 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 6: always said that the sport, my father has always said 1092 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 6: that the sport doesn't create virtue, but it reveals it 1093 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,600 Speaker 6: out on the field when you when you watch. There's 1094 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,279 Speaker 6: inspiring things to see on every play. There really is, 1095 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,319 Speaker 6: So I mean, I think that's the part of it 1096 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,440 Speaker 6: that we might have lost a little bit in these conversations. 1097 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 6: But then again, in the modern era you get the 1098 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 6: Arizona turnover cactus. 1099 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 4: So it's all U petros last one for me, the 1100 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 4: most overrated holiday. 1101 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 3: On the calendar. 1102 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't like New Year's 1103 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,960 Speaker 6: Eve because I don't like a day where you know, 1104 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 6: the finger is pointed at you and you're expected to 1105 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 6: have a good time, you know what I mean. Like, 1106 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 6: I don't like that, like where you're told like you 1107 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,160 Speaker 6: better have a good time or you suck you know 1108 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 6: like that, you know, you know, yeah, I. 1109 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,000 Speaker 4: Think when it's all centered around that, yeah, that's that 1110 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 4: makes it like if you didn't have a good New Year, 1111 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,160 Speaker 4: you stink. 1112 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,080 Speaker 3: You See, you're. 1113 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 6: Young and you have like a girlfriend and you're expected 1114 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 6: to do something with her and it takes her to 1115 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 6: some party or something. Yeah, New Year's Eve. I have 1116 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,080 Speaker 6: a problem. 1117 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,240 Speaker 3: Thang, isn't that every holiday though? That isn't that why 1118 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,480 Speaker 3: they manufact money most of them? 1119 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,080 Speaker 5: Even birthday? You only get one birthday, you know what 1120 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,400 Speaker 5: I mean? Petro's like I was born once. You don't 1121 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 5: have to keep saying it every year, Like, don't you 1122 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 5: don't have to get people stuff like. 1123 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 3: Your birthday is your birthday? 1124 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 5: You were birthed once? Like okay, like happy birthday. Like 1125 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 5: there you go, like, let's let's move on. There's other 1126 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 5: things to deal with, you know. But that's me. I 1127 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 5: just feel like everything is forced to create you having 1128 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 5: to spend money, and when you make money, you start 1129 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 5: to realize how much your money is spent by other people. 1130 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,960 Speaker 5: That anyway, I'm ranting, but go ahead, I'm sorry. 1131 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 3: New Year's Happy New Year, Yeah, happy New Year. 1132 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 5: I imagine you could just spend a going into the 1133 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,080 Speaker 5: next year, just hanging out. 1134 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,520 Speaker 3: You know, Petro, you. 1135 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 4: Know what about your New Year's resolution, because I'm sure 1136 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 4: you're really excited about the audience to do you. 1137 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,280 Speaker 3: Have one for us down Well? 1138 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 6: I think generally, I'm like everybody else where. I just 1139 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400 Speaker 6: you know, I hope to be able to control myself 1140 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 6: a little better in the new year. That's all. M 1141 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:17,360 Speaker 6: control the things I say, control being present when you're 1142 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,960 Speaker 6: amongst people, like not being distracted by something else so 1143 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,360 Speaker 6: that person actually thinks that, you know, you're really there 1144 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,040 Speaker 6: in the moment. 1145 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,520 Speaker 3: I got the Fox Seminar. 1146 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,440 Speaker 6: Yes, even at the Fox Seminar live at the moment 1147 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 6: and capture eternity. 1148 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,120 Speaker 2: There you go, Uh, Petros, we appreciate it and thanks 1149 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 2: for thanks for doing it. 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