1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya Ren and I 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio Podcast. Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in. In 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: today's episode, we have a very special guests, our first 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: in studio guests. I was like, I'm coming in. It's 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: so much better and I am obsessed with you. This 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: is the voice of Tracy Tutor. Everybody that is listening 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: and doesn't know. Um, I'm like coming off of this 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: high from Rihanna's super Bowl performance because I just feel 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: like she showed us, she showed us that you can 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: really do it all and have it all at the 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: same time. And I feel like you're the perfect guest 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: to have this week because I feel the same energy 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: from you. I feel like you are such a badass 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: in the workspace. I feel like you're constantly reinventing yourself 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: in different ways. You are an author, you are like 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 1: crushing it in your career, you have a relationship, you're 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: a mom, You're doing all these things and you're doing 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: it so well. And so I'm really excited to have 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Tracy Tutor on with us because you're just all thing 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: this modern woman energy. Thank you. I'm so excited to 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 1: be here. I haven't seen you in a long time, 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: and it's so nice to meet you. I know, we 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: well we were talking about this before you came in. 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: You were um helping hand for Tanya while she was 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: going through what we call the trigger of it and 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: her breakup UM, and I remember there was she was 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: just like she took me under her wing. There was 28 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: like a like a sisterhood bond there of you just 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: like totally helping her navigate it. Well, I remember when 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: you came over to my house and we were having 31 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: like a glass of wine in the backyard with Haley 32 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: and like a couple of other friends. And obviously I 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: had gone through the divorce and I was at that 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: time probably three years out of it, out of it. 35 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: I was like finally like on my two feet again. 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I had been dating, and I was like, girl, you 37 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: got this, you can like you need to be out there. 38 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: And then apparently you got set up. So two of 39 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: your friends that were outso at your house that night. Yes, 40 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: we know this guy. He's really great. He doesn't live here, 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: but we want him to move da dada. So they 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: were like showed me his Instagram and I was like, okay, cute. 43 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: So we started like dm ng on Instagram and this 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: guy we ended up scheduling like a Zoom day because 45 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: it was I think still kind of quarantine e at times. 46 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: But also he didn't live in l A. So it 47 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: was like a zoom day, Like we were like going 48 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: to have a drink on zoom together. Oh those were 49 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: the days. Then this was like my only date that 50 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: I went on when I was single. But it was 51 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: so funny because he basically spent the entire I think 52 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: we talked about an hour and a half. He talked 53 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: about his hex girlfriend and like kind of why he 54 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: was single and what happened in his relationship, and then 55 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: I was talking about Robbie and my breakup and what 56 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: all went down there. So we basically spent the entire 57 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: date talking about our exes. It's great cut to cut 58 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: to a year and a half later. I still follow 59 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: him on Instagram. He got back together with that girl. 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: They're engaged, Oh my god, and like fully so happy 61 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: and he we both message each other now, like and 62 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: when I remember when when Robbie I got back to 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: he was like, oh my gosh, I'm so glad you 64 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: got back together with your guy. You guys look so happy, 65 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: And I was like, how funny that we both ended 66 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: up back with our you know, like that that telltale 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: sign of like the first date, when you spend the 68 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: entire first date talking about your axes. It's not really 69 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: a strong indicator that you guys are very each other. No, 70 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: we were not for each other, but I just want 71 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: it to be such a funny, funny and I still 72 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: found like, at what point do I unfollow this guy? Like, yeah, 73 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to run into some date. 74 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: It's not like you had like no no connectionever. Yeah 75 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: that's okay. Yeah, but I do feel like this this 76 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: connection to you because I really do feel like I 77 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: was going through really tough time and I really felt 78 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: like you extended your hand and we were total strangers 79 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: and you were so lovely and kind and wonderful, and 80 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: so I just love you came into my house and 81 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: your energy was very similar even though you were going 82 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: through a totally difficult time. I don't know, I just 83 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: feel like that sisterhood of when you're going through a breakup, 84 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: Like the most important thing is that your friends and 85 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: girls rally behind in jail. I feel like that's the 86 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: way I got through my divorce. I can't even fathom 87 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: not having my girlfriends and my gaze, you know, around 88 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: me during that time because and so I always whenever 89 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: I know a girlfriend of mine or someone's going through 90 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: something like that, I'm like, do we need to go 91 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: have a glass of wine? Where are we having lunch? 92 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: Sunday morning? We're going for a walk. Let's get out 93 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: of it now. Yeah. I wanted to talk to you 94 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: about this because I had listened to an interview I 95 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: think it was on a UM like Serious XIM. I 96 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a podcast or radio show, but 97 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: this was I think in October of last year. But 98 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: you're talking about your divorce and UM on Monday's episode 99 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: last week. We were talking about how men get so 100 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: comfortable or get such an ego that they're with these 101 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: incredible women and they feel comfortable enough to cheat. UM. 102 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: And I didn't know if you were comfortable talking about it, 103 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: but I was listening to how Jeff lewis yeah yeah, 104 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And and Jeff's a friend of mine, and 105 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: we had had drinks and before and we were chatting, 106 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: and of course it came up and he was like, 107 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: would you be okay talking about it? I go you 108 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: know what, I've never really spoken about it before, and 109 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: I finally feel like I'm on the other side of 110 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: it where I can like impart some wisdom and not 111 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: just like vicious hate because I went through all those spaces, 112 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, so um, yeah, I'm comfortable talking about it. 113 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, we were. We were just talking about the 114 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: fact that there's men and I don't know anything about 115 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: your ex, but knowing that, knowing just what I know 116 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: about you and the boss that you are, You're successful, 117 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: you're studying, like you have what your a ten out 118 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: of ten? And I don't know your ex, but the 119 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: fact that he even felt comfortable enough to cheat in 120 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: front of people, knowing that there was a chance that 121 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: could get back to you. What is it? Is it? Ego? 122 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: What is that? Like? What do you gather from that? 123 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: You know? I mean, I think, listen, we had been 124 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: together for by the time we got divorced, seventeen and 125 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: a half years and a lot of growth to kids, 126 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: a career, a TV show, him, you know, him changing 127 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: careers as well as like, I think there's a part 128 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: of us that grew apart, you know, probably five years 129 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: prior to that happening, and you know, you push through 130 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: and you're committed to the marriage and and that's something 131 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: that you sort of stick with it. But at the 132 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: same time, I wasn't acknowledging neither was he, that we 133 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: were both just in this lull. And the lull eventually 134 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: turned into you know, him wanting connection and really you know, 135 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: approval from other women. And it started with you know, 136 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: sometimes conversations with women and I'd be like, why are 137 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: you talking to that person? And a lot but like 138 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: no physical connection. Um. But he he really required that 139 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: like constant approval, and I wasn't giving it to him anymore. 140 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was sort of one foot 141 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: out and so that's you know, the affair happened. I 142 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: don't blame myself for it. I think, you know, initially Lee, 143 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 1: he kind of did you know that was that's always 144 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: the excuse. Well you wouldn't, you know, you weren't giving 145 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: me what I needed, so I went elsewhere, which is 146 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: such a cop out. Um. You know, there's a little 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: ego involved as well. I think being successful and being 148 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: financially completely free from him, I didn't rely on him 149 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: for anything, so I was able to make my own decisions. 150 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: I think that made him feel less and less in control, 151 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: which traditionally in relationships, you know, it's the other way around. 152 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean it's callused bad spade, wage gap, whatever it is. 153 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: More often than not, the man can make more money 154 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: and be more successful or maybe further along in their career. 155 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: And in this case, it was the flip, which I 156 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: think was you know a little bit. It's it's a 157 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: shock to the ego and it's something that I have 158 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: dealt with even post marriage, you know, dating. I feel 159 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: like that's an interesting it isn't interesting dynamic because I 160 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: do think as much as again we hate it and 161 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: we want to say that it doesn't it's not an 162 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: affecting actor. It really is. Oh absolutely, Like I had 163 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: dated a few different guys before being in the current 164 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: relationship you know that I was in and I was 165 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: finding kind of the same problem. And I think what 166 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: I found in my relationship now with Eric is it 167 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: was something younger and freer about you know, he grew 168 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: up in a different generation, so you know, someone in 169 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: their late twenties or early thirties, which tended to be 170 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: the direction that my dating life was going at the time. 171 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: I started to realize, like, why is that happening, Like 172 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: why are younger men more attractive? And one might say, oh, 173 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: because she has money, or you know, he's uh, you 174 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: know that type of guy or whatever, And and the 175 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: fact of the matter was, even the younger guys that 176 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: I had been dating prior to Eric, we're successful, you know, 177 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: early thirties, you know, made plenty of money. But there's 178 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: something different about the men of his generation and the 179 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: men that are of my generation. It's a lot, a 180 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: lot tougher pale for them to swallow. And even Eric, 181 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: I think, from time to time struggles with it, you know, 182 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: like he's a co star or a guest appearance, right, 183 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Like it's not it doesn't always feel equal, and I've 184 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: had to really examine that and not tow myself down. 185 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: But in a way also sort of contribute to them feeling. 186 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: The men in my life feeling, you know, like they 187 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: add value in many ways, like you have to kind 188 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: of overcompensate, which is not something a man is used 189 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: to doing, but as a successful woman in business, like 190 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: I feel like that's something that I do still to 191 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: this day. It's so you're it's so crazy to me 192 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: because I also feel like you're in you are in 193 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: like a male dominated working world. Were you always this 194 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: confident in your working world as you are now? I mean, listen, 195 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: I felt on my face so many times, and I 196 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: think I learned to be confident by virtue of just 197 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: continuing to get up and keep going. Um. I think 198 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: that that fear that we all have is we're scared 199 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: of the Yeah, on Amazon, we'll talk about the book, No, 200 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: but I think that that's such a big part of 201 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: it that we're you know, so terrified of, like the 202 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: falling down piece that we can't get out of our 203 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: own way. And I think what makes a woman confident 204 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: is how many times she's fallen down, gotten back up 205 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: and become successful again. So you know, obviously I'm forty seven. Um, 206 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: I didn't learn it overnight. Um. But that's kind of 207 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: why I wrote the book, because I wanted I wanted 208 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: to speak to actually younger women about that path, because 209 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: I think so many women come out of college and 210 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, you know, we all grew up with this 211 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: traditional ideology that like maybe you meet the love of 212 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: your life in college and you'll you know, have the 213 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: white picket fence and like a beautiful little traditional house 214 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: with two kids in private school and then maybe you'll 215 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: retire and be a stay at home mom and all 216 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: these things, which is a beautiful thing, but it's not 217 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: the only way, right And and you know, I think 218 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: breaking away from those patterns and and young like twenty 219 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: something women having a woman to look up to that's 220 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: maybe twenty years their senior, but they actually relate to 221 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: um is something I didn't have. I feel like, so 222 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: the book she's talking about, it's called Fears, just a 223 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: four letter word, and I feel like your book, to me, 224 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: it felt like some like you were writing to your 225 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: younger self something that you wish you would have known prior. 226 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: And I think to me, those types of books are 227 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: so valuable because we all, especially as women, like we 228 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: learn from each other, you know, like we've all gone 229 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: through different things. And if you can just learn one 230 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: thing from somebody else, you can teach somebody so they 231 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: don't make the same mistake or maybe don't go or 232 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: don't feel as alone going through these certain things. It's 233 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: such a blessing. So if you do want to get 234 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: her book, you can get an Amazon or anywhere a 235 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: major book retailer. Yeah. Fellow author over here, Yeah. Gratulations 236 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: on that, but so happy for you. Writing a book 237 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: is wild. It's a it's a I had no idea 238 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: what I was up agains, you know, like I, first 239 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: of all not a great writer, and I was like, 240 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to do this like my way. It's 241 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: going to be a little bit more conversational than you know, 242 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: my daughter writes something and I'm like, wow, you're talented, 243 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, but I you know, I was a theater 244 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: major for crying out loud. So but it turned out 245 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: for the best because I think it's totally my voice 246 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: and and you know, it obviously spoke to like a 247 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: younger generation of women. And and that's the thing right now, 248 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: is I feel like on social media and like that's 249 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: why I love what you guys do and your show, 250 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: and how like supportive of women you are and how 251 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: light and bright and positive you are, because so much 252 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: of what we're talking about, half the haters and half 253 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: the people that keep us down or other women, it's 254 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: not it's not just men like like that that the 255 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: ideologies I was talking about earlier, and these traditions and 256 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: the way we're supposed to do it. You know, there's 257 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: a lot of women that are still sort of stuck 258 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: in that you know, mindset, and I feel like it 259 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: just makes me want to Like the more hate I 260 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: get or the more you should wear this or you 261 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: should wear that, the more I want to wear it 262 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm going to continue to do this 263 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: until you realize that I can be a boss in 264 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: real estate, I can be on a TV show, I 265 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: can be sexy. I can also be a mom, you know, 266 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: like why do we have to be defined? And why 267 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: do women not want to elevate? Like it's it's beyond me. 268 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: I sometimes get in these dm like back and force 269 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: with women, like like you've got to really consider, like 270 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: why you're coming from this place, like your own insecurity 271 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: issues clearly to me Sometimes like when I get a 272 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: negative methode or comment from a man, I'm literally unbothered 273 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: by it, But when it comes from another woman, I'm like, wait, 274 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: a sect totally, we're not supposed to do this to 275 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: each other, Like we're not supposed to. And also like 276 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: because you're right now for a million dollar listening l A, 277 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: you're like the girl you're holding it down, and I 278 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: just think it's so like I don't know, just to me, 279 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: I look at you, and I just I'm so inspired 280 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: and motivated by you, and so I feel like it 281 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: makes me sad that you get attacked for certain things. Well, 282 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: I it's almost like and I used to take it 283 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: a lot more seriously. The only time I get actually 284 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: upset by it is when it has anything to do 285 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: with my kids. But candidly, I need to do it 286 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: more like it makes me like people are like, oh, 287 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, we're dressed appropriately or stop getting plastic surgery 288 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: or whatever the hell people want to say. And when 289 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: it comes from a woman, I just want to like 290 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: be even more authentic online and tell people what I've 291 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: done and say and you know, yeah I do. I 292 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: work out. I worked out hour and forty five minutes 293 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: this morning. I didn't have surgery to get the body 294 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: that I have, right, Like, I'm forty seven. I worked really, 295 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: really hard. I'm not as It just makes me want 296 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: to be more transparent and work my ass off at 297 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: the same time so that I can sort of dispel 298 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: more of this idea that we have to be like 299 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: men or conservative to be successful in business. It's just nonsense. 300 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: You know you have two daughters, right do I have 301 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old Juliette and a fourteen year old 302 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: named Scarlett. What is it like parenting two girls with 303 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: the TikTok world? And like, what's it's so different than 304 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: it was even for us, like when we were in 305 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: high school. I mean, both my girls are on social media, 306 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: of course, but I don't so much have a problem 307 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: with the TikTok. It's the snapchat that I'm like, well, 308 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: what's happening on Snapchat? Like they send the snaps and 309 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: then they go away where the TikTok lives. You know, 310 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: they're pretty transparent on social media. They don't post a ton. 311 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: They're like of that younger generation. They're like Instagram's like done, 312 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, they're like the slame you know, but um, 313 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: they scroll. I just I try to get them to 314 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: be both busy. So I think when they're busy, they're 315 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: on it less and they're more engaging. Um, you know. 316 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: I just feel like social media really screws with our 317 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: ability to like connect with people. And so luckily, I 318 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: think because I've they have busy schedules that when they 319 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: sit down in their room and they don't come out 320 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: for three hours, and I'm like, what's going on in there? 321 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: Like I know, like being a teenager, you want to 322 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: be in your bed a lot, but like if it 323 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: makes you feel any better, I can sit on my 324 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: phone on TikTok and scroll for three hours. Are still developing, 325 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, like they're not five yet, that full frontal 326 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: lobe situation and men too, like Eric's twenty eight and 327 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm like this, this whole social media thing is really 328 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: going to screw you up, Like you just finished this 329 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: is this could be bad. It is true though, like 330 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: between social media and then also with the pandemic, it 331 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: was like we kind of lost ability like how to 332 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: connect with people face to face of like how to 333 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: have conversations, how to ask questions about someone else and 334 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: learn about people's interests. We kind of just like we're 335 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: relying on the screen to occupy that space. Luckily, I 336 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: they I've seen a lot worse. And like I said, 337 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: like my daughter, my little one, she rides horses all 338 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: the time. Like if she could quit school and just 339 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: ride full time, she would, but because she's so engaged 340 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: in that, it kind of keeps her away from it, 341 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: and she's like doing I think there's a balance, you know, 342 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: it's like you can't take it fully away, they exist 343 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: in it. I have family friends and parents that are like, 344 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to let my kid on it, and 345 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: that you know they're eventually going there no matter what. 346 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: And so it's just about finding a balance, I think. 347 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: And you'd rather than feel comfortable to be able to 348 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: use it and be open with you than hundred speaking 349 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: it around if you take it away. Yeah, And they're 350 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: kind of at the age where at this point all 351 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: the kids are on it, but um, they have some 352 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: pretty decent boundaries around. It's so cool to have like 353 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: you as a mom, because I feel like, do you 354 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: instill the way that you treat your life in your 355 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: career in the in them as well? A you know, 356 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, I think post COVID 357 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: working from home as much as I was during that 358 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: and I was promoting the book at that time and 359 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: doing a lot of Zoom interviews, and the kids were 360 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: home and so they were seeing you work a lot more, 361 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: and I think kind of grew a little bit of 362 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: a better understanding of what I do and what and 363 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: how hard I work, and in turn like had a 364 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: lot more respect for me, I think as like a 365 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: working mom, And so they get I mean, my older 366 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: one gets uber defense in defense of me, like on 367 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: social media, should be like you don't know what you're 368 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: but she says it like with the most eloquent voice 369 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: that like the trolls are like gone, They're like, we're 370 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: so sorry Julia because she's just you know, she has 371 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: the ability. But you know, I was really strict with 372 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: them when they were young. Um. You know, I taught 373 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: them right from wrong. I taught them manners. They look 374 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: people in the eye when they speak to them. Um. 375 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: And now they've just developed into these like little mini feminists, 376 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: but like the right kind of feminists, you know, not 377 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: like the judge feminists. Um. And so it's great. They're 378 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: like flourished ng And I mean, I'm like, they make 379 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: me so proud. I can't even stand it. I know 380 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: that Jeff Lewis interview, you talked about the relationship between 381 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: you and I guess their step mom. Now, Oh oh yes, um, 382 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: my ex husband's new wife, Amanda. So yeah, we've had, 383 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, a roller coaster of a time, um, getting 384 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: to like where we are today. But the amazing thing 385 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: about it is I looked at her a couple of 386 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: weekends ago, or actually I guess it was. That was 387 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks end of January. We had dinner 388 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: and I go, you know, it's so crazy, Like in 389 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: another life, I think we would have been like friends 390 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: outside of this. Like now we are and we're in 391 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: this sort of scenario together where she's married to my 392 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: ex husband is really good to my girls, and you know, 393 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: we've wrapped our head around that and we're like in 394 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: a really mature, like healthy, good place, um, which I 395 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: think is like the greatest story to tell, which I 396 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: had to explain to my ex husband because he sat 397 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: me down after the Jeff Lewis thing, so he's gonna 398 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: be like, you did it again, you know, But but 399 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: the truth is, I was like, you know, I'm less 400 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: worried about talking about what happened in our marriage and 401 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: that you know, there was cheating or whatever. What I 402 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: like talking about is that we recovered from it. I 403 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: like talking about the fact and I'm proud of the 404 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: fact that I'm friends with his new wife and that 405 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: I've gotten to a place as like a parent, that 406 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: I have recovered from all of that and we've come 407 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: a long way as like, you know, this very different 408 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: kind of family. You should be proud of that. There's 409 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: not a lot of people that could do that, and 410 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: I now that I've sort of have that, I wish that, 411 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, I want to talk about it primarily because 412 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: I think you can get to that place and it's 413 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: such a healthier lace to be. Yeah, you should be 414 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: proud of it. Actually, I don't know if you saw 415 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: the Miranda kur and Katie Perry stuff that happened a 416 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Miranda kurt was getting some award. 417 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: I think it was like some I don't know what 418 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: it was, as like Australian award, and um, Katy Perry 419 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: is the one who like gave it to her and 420 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: was like speaking about her and gave her the award, 421 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: and Miranda Kurr was talking about how like she couldn't 422 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: have picked a better step mom for her kid, and 423 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: I was like, that is such a beautiful example of 424 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: like two women that know themselves and are mature and 425 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: can fantastic. Yeah, like it makes me emotional, you know, 426 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: like it's like because not everybody has it that way, 427 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: and so I think that's something that you should be 428 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: really proud about and talk about. And it goes you know, 429 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, 430 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: is like this idea that like we can either be 431 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: like this incredible tribe and figure each other out and 432 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: be supportive of each other, or we can be our 433 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: greatest enemy and we can be very defeatist about it. 434 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: And I just feel like by virtue of getting through 435 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: that and coming on the other side of it, I'm 436 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: like happy to talk about. And then it landed with 437 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Chason and he is like, okay, yeah, He's like, well not, 438 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, don't talk about it that much. And I'm like, 439 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: but the bottom line is I am proud of it. 440 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: And I was damning her, you know, this weekend about 441 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: just dogs or something, and you know, we chat all 442 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: the time, and the more I get to know her, 443 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: the more I realize why he fell in love with 444 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: her and why they're together, and had it not happened, 445 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: all of this crazy, you know, I I wouldn't be 446 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: as happy as I am today. I probably would still 447 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: be in the marriage. You know. Yeah, well I was 448 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 1: gonna yeah that was That was My biggest takeaway from 449 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: the interview was the fact that y'all have come full 450 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: circle to a point where you were saying I'm able 451 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: to go to dinner with her and she is wonderful 452 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: for my girls. And I was like, wow, that takes. 453 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that takes. And obviously the bad stuff is 454 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: part of the journey that leads you to that point, 455 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: as part of the story and what you tell. But 456 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: it's such a beautiful like ending for for you to 457 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: have percent Like I like, it's like a you know, 458 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: a way. It's been lifted off my chest, you know 459 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: where for five years, and it took me that long, 460 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, to get to get to the other side 461 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,239 Speaker 1: of it. And I'm glad I never spoke about it, 462 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: not once and never never, never, and the kids obviously know. 463 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: So it's we're at a different place now and it's 464 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: I think, a healthy and good thing to talk about. 465 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: And it's actually positive. Yeah, I think sometimes having those 466 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: hard conversations with kids, like sometimes I feel like our 467 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: parents try to protect us from anything bad and sometimes 468 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: you like I get older and I'm like, wait, what 469 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: actually happened there? Right? Do I have all the information 470 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: about because I mean the way we all grew up 471 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: and you guys are obviously younger than me, but even 472 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: your generation, they didn't talk about their problems in their marriage. 473 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: You know, you really hit on something because I deal 474 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: with it in therapy all the time. It's like this 475 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: this this reality that we all had or these expectations 476 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: we had for our lives, um and life isn't perfect, 477 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, like things happen in a different way than 478 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: you expected. And I think that we can internalize those 479 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: things and get and get really down on ourselves, like 480 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: you know, when I started doing my boyfriend has two kids, 481 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: and you know, it's a it's crazy thing to step into, 482 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you don't know how 483 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: to handle it. You don't know what you're getting yourself into, 484 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: and your real reality is different than you thought it 485 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 1: would be. It's amazing in so many ways, but it's 486 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: also challenging in certain ways. And so I think that, 487 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, you can get really hard on yourself because 488 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: it's like this isn't the way you know, I dreamed 489 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: of it to be, but this is my story totally. Yeah. Yeah, 490 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to kind of shake that because it's been 491 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: ingrained in us for so many years that you just 492 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: feel like a failure if you if if you're anything 493 00:25:49,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: other than what that that path. Yeah, I think a 494 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: lot of people that listen to this podcast, there are 495 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: They are independent women, They are fierce, they want to 496 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: Maybe some people are wanting to start their own companies, 497 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: but like don't know how if you like just because 498 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: you have, I feel like learned so much, and you've 499 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: been in such a crazy career path. Um, what's something 500 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: that you've learned that you wish you would have known 501 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: ten years ago? Professionally, embrace your feminine energy. UM. I 502 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: remember when I was first starting off in real estate 503 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: and I was working really hard, and it was a 504 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: few it was a rough five years just trying to 505 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: like find my my feet in a new industry. UM. 506 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: And I remember being competitive with men um, going out 507 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: for listing appointments or pitches or whatever. Um, even in 508 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: negotiations against an agent on another deal. UM. And I 509 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: would find myself being like in my masculine body, you know, 510 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: like I've got to be like super tough, like show 511 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: zero vulnerability. UM. And I think what I learned now 512 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: is that showing those vulnerabilities, embracing sort of my feminine energy, 513 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: which actually is like change for me probably in the 514 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: last few years. I think it's catapulted, like my relationships, um, my, 515 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: my business relationships and personal relationships, and I would like 516 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: take away that idea that, particularly in the corporate world, 517 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: that you have to be like demand, if anything, be 518 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: the opposite, be vulnerable, be accessible, um be feminine because 519 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: you can be as strong in your feminine body as 520 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: you can be sort of trying to play at their level. 521 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: That's interesting because I think there's um a perspective that's 522 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: like being vulnerable and embracing your feminine energy is like 523 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: a sign of weakness, you know, like people assume that 524 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: that means you're weak. But I think people underestimate the 525 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: power and vulnerability and being you're like feminine energy and 526 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: like the power you have using that. It's not a 527 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: weakness at all, but it's perceived that way sometimes, Like 528 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: if you're not acting tough like one of the guys, 529 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: then you're weak or your lesson, you know, as opposed 530 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: to being like using it to your advantage. Well, it's 531 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: all about connection, right, you know, in business, So if 532 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: you walk into a room and your walls are up 533 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: and you have zero vulnerability, then you have zero ability 534 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: to connect with the person that's sitting across from you, 535 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: even like talking about what we're talking about today, like 536 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: I have to like remind myself it's okay to be vulnerable. 537 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: It's okay to talk about you know, your divorce or 538 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: you know what happened in your marriage, etcetera. Um, because 539 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: people relate to that. And the more you put yourself 540 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: out there and and you know you wouldn't necessarily do 541 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: that interview, I'm not. I'm not telling you guys to 542 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: do but but but being I think vulnerable allows you 543 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: the ability to connect with people. And that's ultimately why 544 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: we hire who we hire. It's not resume only takes 545 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: you so far. It's it's when you're in the room 546 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: with somebody is what gets you ultimately the job. And 547 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: so um, that would be the advice that I would 548 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: give to like young women starting out or even women 549 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: that are getting back into the workforce. Yeah, I love that. 550 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: That's really good advice. I think a lot of people 551 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: feel like they're just competing with the like in male 552 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: dominated spaces that they have to do, and it's okay 553 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: to feel those things. It's okay to feel like I 554 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: blew it, and like live in that moment and live 555 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: in that space. But also don't pretend that it wasn't 556 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: a failure. Oh it's fine. I don't know. I just 557 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: didn't get a good night's sleep. It wasn't a good interview, 558 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: or wasn't a great pitch. I just was off. It 559 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: was okay, I'm sure it'll be fine, or I didn't 560 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: really want it. Then why do you go in on it? Right? So, 561 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: like we kind of tell ourselves these lies that we 562 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: can like put shout the failure, when in fact, if 563 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: we were just embracing the fact that it went because 564 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: we didn't show up like as ourselves a prepared, be 565 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: ready to connect and be vulnerable and you know, see 566 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: walk into the room and look people in the eye 567 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: and and be confident what you're talking about. Um, if 568 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: you can't have all those things aligned, then you weren't 569 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: ready to walk in the door in the first place. 570 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: M wow, you know, preparation. How do you balance it all? 571 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: I don't really I'm tired a lot. Really, Um, I 572 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: get up really early. I really try to, Like I'm 573 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: good in the mornings by like six seven o'clock. I 574 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: am tapped out. Um yeah, yeah, yeah about it, like three. 575 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: But like I'm my most creative, my my best energy, 576 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: my best ideas all come in the morning and and 577 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: so for me, that's like waking up and spending some 578 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: time with myself, exercising, doing me you know, before like 579 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: entering like you know, right around seven thirty, I'm like, 580 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm working. So I'm up at typically five thirty, UM 581 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: and in the gym by six sep at what time 582 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: last night? Didn't go to bed until like eleven thirty. 583 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: I was watching you. Really it's sucked into that tragic stuff. Um. 584 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: But typically I'm in bed by like eight thirty, nine o'clock. 585 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: Like my kids are like, good night, Bob, and they're 586 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: like up doing homework until ten thirty eleven, and I'm like, 587 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm like lights out by ten. Typically I did see 588 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: So you're right now you're on You're on Million Dollar 589 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: Listening l A, which is on Bravo, which we love, 590 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: and I love that you are holding it down. Also, 591 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: I love Heather Altman. Yes, she's great, so great. So 592 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: I just I love that show. Everybody should stream it, 593 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: watch it, support Tracy. Um. But I think I saw 594 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: a rumor that they're recording you for the Real Housewives 595 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Is that a rumor? I got true? 596 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: It's not a rumor. Um. I wouldn't say, they wouldn't 597 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: say they were according me, but I was when I 598 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: did watch What Happens that fans have sort of yeah, 599 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: and fans have mentioned this for a bit and it 600 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: was asked and then Andy kind of looked at me 601 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: and said, would you ever do that? And I just 602 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: looked at miss had a hundred percent and he was 603 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: like floored, and it like started a whole thing about 604 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: she shot a hundred percent to it and has become 605 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: like a thing. Yeah, got it. So I love that show. 606 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: I think those I think it's fantastic and fun to 607 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: watch and you know, like I mean, I am a 608 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: Bravo holic, like I watch all these shows. So for me, 609 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: it's like a fun escape. And um, it's interesting because 610 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: I feel like, to me, your show, you embody just 611 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: like this powerful modern woman that's doing anything that housewives 612 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: need a little bit more. And I feel like the 613 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: housewives are the opposite. Like I feel like the housewives 614 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: are very catty and fight with each other, and like 615 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: there's that sense of of kind of where women were 616 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: ten twenty years ago, you know what I mean. And 617 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: so I don't I don't see you in that, but well, 618 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: and a lot of people have said that too, like, 619 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not your lane really, like you're 620 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: above that or whatever. I'm not above anything. I'm about 621 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: getting paid, okay. But what I think is cool is 622 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: that energy on that show is very much one note 623 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: and it can be catty, and it can be all 624 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: those things, but it's also super entertaining, and it'd be 625 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: nice to have some energy in there with someone that's 626 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: running a business, that actually lives in Beverly Hills and 627 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, can also hold around and not be bullied by, 628 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, someone else on the show that maybe has 629 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: a louder or bigger voice or is obviously more comfortable 630 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: in front of the camera. I'm friends with a few 631 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: of the girls. I mean, Crystal is a good friend. 632 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: I love Garcella as well. I know Kyle Um. I've 633 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: meant to read eat Um. That's all I'll say. Well, 634 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: the other two I've never met, Erica or Lisa, Well, 635 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: I do feel like you being on TV, there's not 636 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: that need, like there wouldn't be that need to prove 637 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: yourself with someone because you're kind of like established for viewers, 638 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: like people already know you were on the Housewives. I'd 639 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: watch it too. I don't watch, but I would watch 640 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: it because, Yeah, we're gonna class it up. I love 641 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: that so much. 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