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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They call me Bed.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code

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Speaker 4: named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 4: are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 4: you to know. It's the top of the week. As

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Speaker 4: we hurtle headlong towards the end of February, our summer

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Speaker 4: plans are ruined. North Korea has closed down their airbnbs. Catch, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's something we all took. We all took an l

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Speaker 4: on that one. There are so many things occurring around

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Speaker 4: the world world today. We're going to explore several of them.

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Speaker 4: We're going to explore a lawyer who saved the day,

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Speaker 4: a new cryptid just dropped. And before we do any

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Speaker 4: of that, we were thinking we might travel to Chernobyl.

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Speaker 3: Oh, why not? Maybe they have an airbnbs available there. Perhaps, No, No,

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Speaker 3: over there at Chernobyl. No, not so much for humans,

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Speaker 3: but for wildlife. As we've talked about numerous times on

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Speaker 3: of the ways that the radiation that the legacy radiation

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Speaker 3: how exposure long term generational exposure. After all, the Chernobyl

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Speaker 3: catastrophe where one of the reactors there near Pripiat, Ukraine, exploded,

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Speaker 3: more than two hundred thousand people were evacuated and created

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Speaker 3: these exclusion zones. That was back in nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 3: So we are at a place now where we're actually

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Speaker 3: we're looking at a study that has come out from

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Speaker 3: There is also another fellow researcher by the name of

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Speaker 3: this is the kind of thing that can be studied

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Speaker 4: Interesting too, doctor loves study focuses on wolf blood, I think,

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Speaker 5: It's so weird, like resilient to cancer and yet you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that's I think that's where we're able.

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Speaker 3: And it may be that the release from that hunting pressure,

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Speaker 4: It's true though. Look at the biodiversity and the DMZ.

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Speaker 3: And one interesting thing about this too is the pandemic

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Speaker 5: And we've returned. Gentlemen, we are traveling to Charlotte, North

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I think of the hand from

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Speaker 5: Matt Kelly, Jack Kelly, would it be okay if you

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Speaker 3: Top of my.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, I picture the Weird Stalker movie The

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Speaker 4: Really, Jack Kelly fascinating, fascinating character. Yeah, so, Matt, it

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Speaker 5: This is actually a fantastic law firm that I can't

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Speaker 5: So this law firm and specifically an attorney who is

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Speaker 5: Charles hands their Yeah, Esquire, This is an attorney who

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Speaker 5: The hands law firm in Charlotte, North Carolina, received recently

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Speaker 5: an application from a homeowner to refinance their mortgage, just

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so the discrepancy there, the margin between the

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Speaker 5: of money.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, I got it, Hey Matt, what could go wrong?

438
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Speaker 5: Okay, well, let's see. Let's find out. When the hands

439
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 5: law firm got this application, it looked pretty good. It

440
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 5: included all of Samuel's identifying information, including his driver's license

441
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: with the photo, his tax returned from the previous year,

442
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 5: all of his banking information for where the money would

443
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 5: get transferred to. But there was something that was a

444
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 5: little off. According to this application, Samuel had already paid

445
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 5: off his mortgage in full. So the law firm was

446
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 5: trying to ascertain, why are you trying to refinance your

447
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 5: home when you've already paid off your mortgage.

448
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Speaker 3: But you could do that, you could average that as

449
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: an asset and get a line of credit against your asset.

450
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 5: Right, it can, but generally you wouldn't, as this application

451
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 5: was attempting to get all of the cash, all of

452
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 5: your home's worth out in a refinancing. In this case,

453
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 5: it would have been around four hundred and fifty thousand

454
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Speaker 5: dollars in cash that would have been taken out of,

455
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 5: you know, the value of the home, the equity, and

456
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 5: then the homeowner would have had to make three thousand

457
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 5: dollars monthly payments over the course of the next you know, it's.

458
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Speaker 2: Like starting everywhere one.

459
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Speaker 3: No, it's like literally having your back to zero with

460
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Speaker 3: your mortgage.

461
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Speaker 5: Right. Yeah, why would you do that, right, rather than

462
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 5: as a homeowner, sell your ledgy right or rented out.

463
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Speaker 4: The only other yeah, rent, renting and selling. The only

464
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 4: other answer would be if you were active in investing

465
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: and you had a surefire thing that maybe that could

466
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: beat the return rate, which is still very dodgy. That's

467
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: just the casino.

468
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 5: I don't think you would do that at the full price.

469
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 5: You might do half the worth of your home or something.

470
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: You know.

471
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 5: It seems the law firm saw it as a big

472
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 5: red flag. They're like this seems weird. So they decided, hey,

473
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: we should discuss this with Samuel before we move forward.

474
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 5: Because we've got the application. All we have to do

475
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 5: is rubber stamp it, and this thing's gone right. All

476
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 5: that money gets taken out or the bank loans all

477
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 5: of that money by putting it into the account that

478
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: was provided, and Samuel now has big old payments he's

479
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 5: got to make. So the law firm attempted to hold

480
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 5: a zoom meeting with Samuel, which he didn't show up to.

481
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 5: They thought, man, that's weird. This is such a big

482
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 5: money move. You'd think this guy would be more engaged. Okay,

483
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 5: So our hero, Charles w Charlie Hands, the third Esquire,

484
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 5: took matters into his own hands, and and he drove

485
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 5: through Charlotte traffic all the way up there to Samiel's

486
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 5: front door. He knocked on it, and he met Samuel

487
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 5: in person. Here is a quote from Charles quote. The

488
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: face of the homeowner matched the face that we had

489
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: on the driver's license that was sent to us online.

490
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 5: But the homeowner had no idea who we were and

491
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 5: didn't know anything about a refinance with us at all.

492
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Speaker 5: I don't love it, Yes, and when Samuel has reached

493
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: out to by w SOOCTV Action nine News.

494
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: There's a reporter there named Jason.

495
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 5: He reached out to the homeowner, and the homeowner it

496
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 5: was just like, uh, nope, not this home, No, no thanks,

497
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 5: basically again in the opinion that I think many of

498
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 5: us would have. Once mortgage has been paid off, you're

499
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 5: good to go. Big moves don't exist anymore. We're smooth

500
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 5: salein from here.

501
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: Again. You can use that asset to leverage and to

502
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: get credit and also your credits spectacular it paid off

503
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: home of that, you know, an investment of that amount.

504
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: Of Also also, bad faith actors successfully count on people

505
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: to make that assumption that things are done when things

506
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 4: haven't ended right right.

507
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 5: Patience goes a long way when you've got bad intentions.

508
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: So this right here, guys, this is a pretty simple

509
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 5: story just to show this kind of thing is going

510
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 5: to be happening more and more. You think of all

511
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 5: those hacks we've talked about where like super super sensitive

512
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 5: information has been leaked right from pretty much every like

513
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 5: everybody's sure this kind of thing like getting a hold

514
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 5: of a copy of a driver's license or a copy

515
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 5: of a tax return with how much how many of

516
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 5: us do our taxes online now with all.

517
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: These city number whatever it might be.

518
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 5: Well, and they're sharing all of that information with all

519
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 5: these other third parties right that we've talked about last year.

520
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: It's just it's so dangero, So what the heck can

521
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: we do. We've talked about it a couple of times

522
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 5: of things that we can do to protect ourselves. And

523
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 5: this is also coming from WSOCTV. One of the main

524
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 5: things you can do is freeze your credit. It's like

525
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 5: it's fairly easy to do. You just tell everybody who's

526
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 5: involved with your credit that you're not going to be

527
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 5: making any big moves until you let them know, and

528
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 5: then you can unfreeze your credit and make a move.

529
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: But other than that, nobody can touch like take a

530
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 5: loan out in your name or anything like that.

531
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: It's like a bigger picture version of like putting a

532
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: hold on your debit card or something if there's suspicious activity.

533
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: Yes, it should also be your default position because the

534
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: credit system, at least here in the United States is

535
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: obtuse and difficult to navigate by design, So it's kind

536
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: of like trigger discipline. If you're not going to pull

537
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: the trigger. You don't put your finger on the trigger

538
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: ever at all. And so you should always have your

539
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: credit frozen if possible, and then go and unfreeze it.

540
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: Because if you really need to your appoint Matt, if

541
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: you really need to make that move, then you're already

542
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 4: give me on the phone. You're already gonna have a

543
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 4: series of boring conversations. So just make make a couple

544
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 4: more phone calls. That's the only difference, and it can

545
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 4: save you a lot, a lot of trouble.

546
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 5: It just becomes step one, no, and it's pretty easy.

547
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 5: And if you have a you know, if you have

548
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 5: something like LifeLock with Norton, you it's literally a button

549
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 5: you can push, which is pretty crazy. We have been

550
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 5: sponsored by them in the past. I don't know if

551
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 5: we're sponsored by them right now, but we've gotten to

552
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 5: use that. I'm just using it as an example here.

553
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: We are not currently sponsored by them.

554
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: Okay.

555
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 5: So the other thing, guys, and I'm super guilty of this,

556
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 5: getting junk mail what you think is junk mail, and

557
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: then either shredding it or tearing it up and throw

558
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: it in the trash.

559
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: I almost miss Jerry Summons because it's just on a

560
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: tiny little postcard thing that's mixed in with a whole

561
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: bunch of other stuff that just looks like spam mail.

562
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: You know, yes, do you guys keep a po bucks

563
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: or do you use your actual domastle.

564
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: Actual But I genuinely generally just ignore paper mail like bad.

565
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: I gotta do better because you know, it's it's so

566
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: annoying because there's all these companies that print things to

567
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: make it look like important mail, so you get desensitized

568
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: to it. It's like, oh haha, nice try you know

569
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: the government, your name or current resident.

570
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get a lot of weird correspondence with uh,

571
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: with all sorts of stuff. I open all of it.

572
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: You know, we read every piece of mail we get.

573
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: That's a great point, man, That's what we kind of

574
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 4: have to do.

575
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: That.

576
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: That's exactly the advice that we are giving to you here,

577
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 5: and is what Jason said on his article there, open everything,

578
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. Just open it, take a look at it.

579
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 5: If your name is on there, look at it. Even

580
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 5: if you are like ninety percent sure this is crap. Yeah,

581
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 5: just give it a quick peruse.

582
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: Actually, if it's slightly misspelled by the way, just like

583
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: a low key good side of the unethical life hack thing.

584
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: If you get an email that is or like sorry,

585
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: you get a piece of correspondence that is to like

586
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: bat medric or whatever, you need to open that one first.

587
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: But also it's like, I think we're so used to

588
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: like everything being a call or a text or an email.

589
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: There are old school institutions that don't do that at all.

590
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: They only correspond via the US mail. So if you're

591
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: not looking for that or you're not paying attention, you

592
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: could miss that stuff easily. I was realized that I

593
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: wasn't covered by insurance for two entire months for my

594
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: home because for whatever reason, something happened and my policy

595
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: was canceled because I did not realize I had to

596
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: renew it, and they gave me that correspondence via the

597
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: US mail and no call, no text, no email, nothing.

598
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: So I was if that's it happened during those two months,

599
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: I would have been in big trouble.

600
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 5: You know.

601
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: Part of the reason for that, by the way, the

602
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: reticence to engage in new technology, like part of the

603
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 4: reason some of these institutions cling towards the USPS specifically

604
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: is that messing with postal service correspondence is a very

605
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 4: serious crime, and it actually doesn't apply the same way

606
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: in things like email or even private carriers like your

607
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: local UPS or FedEx.

608
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: So did you guys know that it's there is a

609
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: separate rate in the US mail for media mail like

610
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: sending like you know, a tape or a CD or whatever,

611
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 3: and that if they open it and they find out

612
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: that you've written a correspondence in there, they'll charge you

613
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 3: extra postage. This is irrelevant. I just found that out,

614
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: and I think that's so interesting.

615
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: Don't be doing that.

616
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: Don't be doing that. Is that cow for cute little

617
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: notes in your mixtape?

618
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 4: Though?

619
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that? I got a one?

620
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

621
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 5: Great area. I would say, speak to my attorney, Jack Kelly,

622
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 5: mister Hans. But there's not much else to say here

623
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 5: besides keep an eye on that kind of stuff because

624
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 5: it's going to be happening more. Thank you to the

625
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 5: Hands Law Firm and Charles W. Charlie Hans and David W.

626
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 5: Hands Bro.

627
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: Do you think that do you think they're like the

628
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: tagline is you're in good hands.

629
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 5: Oh come on, come on, guys, come on, come on.

630
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: It's really cool. It's David and Charles hands doing their thing.

631
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 5: All right, we'll be right back with more strange news, and.

632
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: We've returned code named Doc. Could I get something like

633
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 4: a gunshot? Perfect? Could I get something like an airhorn? Yeah, guys,

634
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: a new crip. It just dropped. And it's one of

635
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: the strangest ones that we have encountered. I hit you

636
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 4: guys up over a group chat when I had a

637
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 4: different phone, and I was startled to find that the

638
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: newest strangest life form discovered by the human species is

639
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: with us on the show now. And folks, there is

640
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: a higher than fifty percent chance it's with you as

641
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 4: you listen.

642
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: Tarry as well, Spooky ghosts is a crypt possession.

643
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 4: This is well, well it was. It was a cryptid.

644
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 4: It was suspected. Let's introduce everybody to the obelisk, all right,

645
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 4: how conspiratorial?

646
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: So stand thousand one.

647
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 4: Stanford University researchers recently discovered, through some very smart boffin exercises,

648
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: they recently discovered that there is a life form that

649
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 4: humans were not aware of that exist largely in side

650
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: human mouths and guts in your microbiome. And we all

651
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 4: know that science continues to sort of wrestle with the

652
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: implications of the microbiome in the human intestine today, Like,

653
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: we don't understand how it can affect things, but it

654
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: can affect behavior, it can affect the immune system, It

655
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: can even affect physiology. It may have epigenetic consequences. So

656
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: these folks went even further into this. They wrote a

657
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 4: great article, or they wrote a great study that's in

658
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 4: what we call preprint, meaning it hasn't been pure reviewed yet.

659
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: But what they've found is that there are tiny, tiny,

660
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 4: tiny bits of are in a collections that are even

661
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 4: smaller than viruses. They're called viroids. Now, if we step

662
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: back for a second and stay on viruses, as we've

663
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: discussed in previous episodes, viruses are on the very edge

664
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Speaker 4: of what humans consider an active life form, right because

665
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 4: viruses cannot reproduce without a host. They don't obviously seem

666
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: to have like dreams or ideology or anything, but they

667
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 4: can replicate. Viroids are a step smaller than that. I

668
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: had never heard of viroids before, Had you guys ever

669
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: heard of this?

670
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: No? No, And the and the image on one of

671
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: the links that you sent Ben from Popular Mechanics. The

672
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: thing looks like a black hole in your body.

673
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: Is that crazing?

674
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't the same thing, is it? It's I don't know.

675
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: It looks like an obelisk to me.

676
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 5: No, it looks like it looks like a dark spot.

677
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 5: I was looking at the other objects in here that

678
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: look like obelisks to me. Sorry, No, I just don't know.

679
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 3: You have a black hole in your body.

680
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't quite have it. Hey, we've got to

681
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 4: be the black holes we want to see in the world, right.

682
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: So the this research out of Stanford University found that

683
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: this biological entity is probably the closest to a viroid.

684
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 4: But if a virus is on one side of a

685
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 4: spectrum and a viroid is on the other, these things

686
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 4: are sort of a missing link, and they organize into

687
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 4: strands of RNA, but they don't have a protein coat

688
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 4: that would protect them the way other larger actual life

689
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 4: forms do. And it gets even weirder. These researchers just

690
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: from doing some forensic database searching, which again they did

691
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: in a brilliant way, they found that there are already

692
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: almost thirty thousand distinct types of this life form that

693
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 4: they can identify in humans alone. So don't know how

694
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Speaker 4: much is in other mammals. Perhaps we don't know what

695
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: the effects of these things are. We don't know how

696
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: long they've been in humans, probably quite a while, and

697
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: we don't know what they're doing.

698
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Speaker 2: This is so weird, right, like, just how do we

699
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 2: just now find these?

700
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Right?

701
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 5: We've been looking through microscopes for a long time, and

702
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 5: crazy powerful microscopes. We're editing stuff on the nano scale

703
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 5: and building structures on the nano scale, and these things

704
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 5: have just been like.

705
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 4: Just hang, yeah, yeah, just hanging, just hanging. So let's

706
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Speaker 4: give a shout out to the authors. There are quite

707
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Speaker 4: a few people who wrote this, Ivan in Zeludev, Robert C. Edgar,

708
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Speaker 4: Maria Jose Lopez Galiano, Marcos de la Pagna, Artem Babian,

709
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Speaker 4: Amy s Bot, Andrew Z Fire And I saved Andrew's

710
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: name for the end because I.

711
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: Ahrns for that.

712
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, air horns, let's do it. So what they did

713
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: is they looked in to these massive data sets of

714
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 4: microbiome studies in human beings and they said seven percent

715
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Speaker 4: of the microbiome studies from the samples from the human

716
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: gut had this weird, inexplicable thing. Fifty percent of the

717
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: data sets, again from around the world, ethnicity, demographic notwithstanding,

718
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 4: fifty percent had these obelisks in them, which means that

719
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Speaker 4: everybody listening now. I don't want to say infected. I

720
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 4: don't want to scare people, but they're in you man,

721
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: the calls coming from inside the house. And to your question, Matt,

722
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: the reason these seem to have been overlooked for so long,

723
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 4: even with the skyrocketing interest in the human microbiome, it's

724
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: because these obelisks are so dissimilar to anything that has

725
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: been described as a life form in the history of

726
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 4: human side. I wish that we had at this point

727
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 4: some some more data on what the implications or the

728
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: effects could be. You know, we know there's good gut microbes.

729
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: We know there are bad gut microbes. We don't know

730
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: about the obelisk. They're like a new character in Act three.

731
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 4: We know that they're like a virus always needs a host,

732
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: and these viroid like things may be similar. We know

733
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: that they are often going to be hosted by different

734
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 4: types of bacteria. One in particular, an ingredient in dental

735
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 4: plaque called Streptococcus seguinous. So brush your teeth if you

736
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: don't want the opolisk blood.

737
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Speaker 5: Bacteria ben This is so it's not that I'm feeling

738
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 5: skeptical about this because I'm looking at all the sources

739
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 5: you've sent and everything looks legit. Everything looks like like

740
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 5: it's real. But one of the stories for last week

741
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 5: that I was thinking about maybe be talking about was

742
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 5: a story from The Guardian titled the situation has become appalling.

743
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 5: Fake scientific papers push research credibility to crisis point, and

744
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 5: it was all about how like last year there were

745
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 5: over ten thousand major retractions in huge scientific journals, that's correct, Yeah,

746
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 5: where there was a like they had to just completely

747
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 5: remove papers that were published in these in these journals

748
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 5: because they were they were fraudulent in one way or another, right,

749
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 5: Which is like, I'm not saying this has anything to

750
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 5: do with that. What I mean is I've got this

751
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: lens that has been over my eyes for the past

752
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 5: week or so thinking about this stuff, and this new

753
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 5: thing is so mind blowing that my brain is kind

754
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: of just going, WHOA, which is it?

755
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: Isn't it? Yeah, isn't it? Oh gosh, I read a

756
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: story with this guy too. He needs a shout out

757
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 4: sholto David an unemployed scientist who has been instrumental in

758
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: pouring over research and scientific papers, and he's one of

759
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: the folks who is leading the charge on sussing out

760
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 4: errors in academic journals. Everybody, please do check out our

761
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 4: episode previously well and some of the stuff they don't

762
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 4: want you to know about how the academic journal sausage

763
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 4: gets made. We promise you it's it's weird. But I

764
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: see what you're say in Matt, there's this there's this

765
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: disonance sometimes between the actual science that is done, the

766
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 4: way it is interpreted, and the way that it is

767
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 4: reported in popular media. We also are well aware that

768
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 4: there is an at time conspiratorial hierarchy over the existence

769
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Speaker 4: of scientific journals. I am hoping that we can return

770
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: to this story in the future and figure out what

771
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: the obelisk mean for the human experiment. Do they mean that, like,

772
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 4: is it some sort of evolutionary vestige that has no

773
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: real reverence, no harm, or no benefit to humans. Is

774
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: it something that we don't understand yet that may be

775
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: affecting behavior or growth or reproduction in some way? What

776
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: happens when you make out with people?

777
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: Do you trade that modo? Now? I gotta say, Ben,

778
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you catching this in terms of a cryptid,

779
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: because we never really think about cryptids being like undiscovered

780
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: microbes or like things in our bodies. But you know,

781
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: let's let's let's give credit where credit is due. They

782
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: are biological beings, so they should be considered on the.

783
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 4: Table for cryptid conversation. So well done, sir, Oh, thank you, sir.

784
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 4: What if they're I mean, that's the other thing. The

785
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: safe answer is, what if they're just sort of hitching

786
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: a ride in the in the biological credits of What

787
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: Makes Your Life if You're human? You know what I mean?

788
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 4: How sometimes you're watching the credits of a very long

789
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 4: film and someone just slides in with one credit. What

790
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: if that's what if that's the opolisk? What if they're

791
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 4: just running the time out to stay as part of

792
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: the franchise. I don't know. I don't know, but we

793
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 4: do have a lot to learn about I don't know

794
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: about the human question. It seems like the more humans

795
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: learn about the very very big things and the very

796
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 4: very small things, the more questions proliferate, like what would

797
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: if we gamed this out? If we just played you know,

798
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: sort of conspiracy cinematic universe here, what would be the

799
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: coolest implication of an undiscovered life form in the human body?

800
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 4: What would be like the coolest thing a superpower?

801
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: Maybe?

802
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

803
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, we recently did a video

804
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: which you can find and believe on Instagram and also

805
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: YouTube shorts about the fungus space fungus right, and the

806
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: idea of fungi fungi being alien beings that are really

807
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: good at hitching rides, you know, out into space, and

808
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: they're also like uniquely suited to exist out there. So this,

809
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: to me is part of that same kind of conversation.

810
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's very interesting stuff, Matt, What do

811
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: you have?

812
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 4: What kind of superpower would you want to discover with

813
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: an obelisk population?

814
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: Let's see, it's got minor amounts of genetic information. Certain

815
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 5: obelisks can transfer rapid mutations into genetic material. So one

816
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 5: of them would allow me to grow actual wings back

817
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 5: here into it, thinking, I don't know, let's go, let's

818
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 5: go full owl style wings with some big old feathers.

819
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: Yep, that's what I want.

820
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: Tight massive talents perhaps.

821
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I don't want the talents. Some of

822
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 5: the grab grabby hands.

823
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: Got to get the thumbs.

824
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 3: Classic owls are freaky, dude, the way they turn their

825
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: heads three hundred and sixty degrees like Exorcist style. They're neary,

826
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: scary guys, beautiful but also matt Your owl style wings

827
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: would allow you to fly soundlessly.

828
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 4: If your bones are also hollow.

829
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, it does does that too? Okay, called it.

830
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 5: Let's let's change it up. Let's do super dense bones,

831
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Speaker 5: dragon wings.

832
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 4: Go for it now at the fire end too. It's

833
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 4: like guacamole at the Chipotle of superpowers. I am good

834
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Speaker 4: friends with a couple of owls in in my US neighborhood.

835
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Speaker 3: Here we have a neighborhood owl as well. Ben.

836
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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, it might be the same one they get around,

837
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 4: you know, uh soundlessly right right. They've sacrificed agility for stealth,

838
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 4: which happens, you know. Aircraft are slowly learning to imitate

839
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: things that birds and vented are discovered or evolved years

840
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 4: and years ago. I do think we are on the

841
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 4: verge of a fascinating exploration here. Now, to be clear,

842
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 4: if you have types of obelisk life forms or viroids

843
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 4: in your mouth or your gut, right now, they're probably

844
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 4: not a forever gift. The Stanford boffins currently believe that

845
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 4: you could harbor a single type of obelisk for maybe

846
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 4: around a year. So we don't know how they transmit,

847
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 4: we don't know where they've come from or where they're going,

848
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: but we do know they're real and that that is

849
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 4: a strange discovery. There's one one more thing I'd like

850
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 4: to set up if we have time before we end today.

851
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 4: Is that Okay, guys, it's a true crime story.

852
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Please.

853
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 4: So, just as we were coming into record this evening,

854
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 4: we read some frankly disturbing news named Victoria Hill in

855
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 4: Connecticut found out that her she purchased a DNA testing

856
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 4: kid from twenty three and me, and she found out

857
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 4: that she had many more siblings than she had ever thought.

858
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: She has around twenty two and maybe more. And that's

859
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 4: because she is a victim of what is now being

860
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 4: called fertility fraud. Remember when we did the story about

861
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 4: that guy who was like super into donating in sperm everywhere? Sure,

862
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, it seems like it seems like there's

863
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 4: another case of this. Hill found out that her biological

864
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 4: father was not the guy she grew up with, but

865
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Speaker 4: it was the fertility doctor who had been helping her

866
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Speaker 4: mother to conceive. Further, she found that one of her

867
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Speaker 4: newly discovered siblings was her former high school boyfriend.

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Speaker 5: Okay, ye, heavy, heavy, Yeah, there's that podcast. I can't

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Speaker 5: remember some Uh sick maybe is the name of the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Some it's about a fertility doctor that was doing all

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Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: And there's something there set.

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Speaker 5: There's so many right now where it's like, fertility doctors

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Speaker 5: be doing stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and apparently it's another problem of they do be

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Speaker 4: doing stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sorry that was I'm so sorry. Guys.

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Speaker 4: We do see though that it is another case of

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Speaker 4: some of a flag I've been waving for years, which

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Speaker 4: is legislation not catching up with technology. There are no

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Speaker 4: there aren't really comprehensive laws against this kind of pretty

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Speaker 4: serious crime with clear intergenerational consequences. I don't think lawmakers

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Speaker 4: are very clear yet on how to how to legislate

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Speaker 4: on it. But the a CNN investigation found that the

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Speaker 4: majority of you states do not have laws against what

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Speaker 4: we would call fertility fraud. And if you want some

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Speaker 4: kind of justice, some kind of recourse, the doctors are

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Speaker 4: bad faith actors that you're accusing. They have a huge

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Speaker 4: advantage in court and it's very difficult to get them

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Speaker 4: if you'd like to read more about this, check out

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Speaker 4: the excellent work by CNN which is ongoing now, the

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Speaker 4: journalist Rob Kusnia, Alison Gordon, Nellie Black and kill law.

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Speaker 4: This again, this is breaking news. The Valentine's Day timing

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Speaker 4: is unfortunate. And with that, thank you, as always so

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Speaker 4: much for tuning in this evening. Fellow conspiracy realist. We

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Speaker 4: hope this finds you wealthy. We hope this finds you healthy.

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