1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: I have started recording. I am actively in progress with 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: my recording. Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: in which we talk about bad people, and often the 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: bad person we talk about happens to be Elon. I. I, 5 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: what's a good fun middle name for Elon Balthasar? No, 6 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: we do that for Jordan Peyton Peterson. We're talking about 7 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: continuing with as Elon Jordan Balthasar Shapiro Peterson Musk Musk 8 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Elon Crowder. Boy, that's a horrible AI mass here. 9 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: That's the thing I want to think about. I want 10 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: to that out of my brain. 11 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I want that to be secondhand news. 12 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: Wait for that. I guess we're we're not are we still? 13 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: We're not doing If you guys listen to the the 14 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: the I guess it's a DJ group Fleet Mack Would. 15 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what you call them, but they they 16 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: do like, you know, fucking dance for no no, yeah, 17 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: Fleet mac Would. They do like they they're like a 18 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: touring act. They do like shows and ship where it'll 19 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: be like an hour or two hours, and they're like 20 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: they're all like beats that are made up of like 21 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: cut up and mixed up Fleetwood mac songs like it 22 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: kind of it fuckings like find yourself here in Wood 23 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: and listen to it. 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: Wait, I am not exaggerating, joking hyperbole. 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: I will be listening to that as soon as we're done. 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Oh you're you're gonna like it a lot. It fucking 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: it's some of the best stuff. I do it for 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: writing a lot. It's good to work out, too, good 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: to do the yard work. Two yeah, good to good 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: to you know, make love and fun with all that, 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: all that good stuff, all that good good stuff, you know, 32 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: in case you're out macin Yeah. So anyway, uh do 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: do looking out my front door at these Elon Musk 34 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: at this Elon Musk ship. 35 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 4: So we switched at the c. 36 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah you know what this episode it's all creepy baby, 37 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: not a fan Cody, that's fine. How do you feel 38 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: out the Eagles? 39 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: How do you feel about what. 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 5: I think? 41 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: I think? 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 6: Uh? 43 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: C CR is fine. 44 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: I mean I've never heard of a more fortunate son 45 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 3: than Elon Musk. 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Oh. Oh, there we go. We're in business now, baby, 47 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, there we go. Perfect. So when we left off, 48 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: our hero had decided to prevent Twitter from paying its 49 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: janitors for work that they had already provided after or 50 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: before being fired again, potentially a crime in essence, it 51 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: quickly became clear to Killian who's the person who replaced 52 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: the last person whose job it was to pay for 53 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: rent and stuff? That Musk's intended method of operation was 54 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: to obtain services from vendors without any intention of keeping 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: the agreements or paying for services requested and received. Killian's 56 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: concern that Musk truly intended to apply this approach to 57 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: Twitter's rent obligations was confirmed the last time on December ninth, 58 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, when Mendozas specifically informed Killian that Musk 59 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: had decided Twitter would no longer be paying rent globally. 60 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Globally Yeah, and again, Mendoza is one of these people 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: from I think the boring company. It's one of those 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: folks that it's one of the people that he brought 63 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: in to manage stuff. Who isn't that guy's girlfriend very 64 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: funny living in the office with their infant? AWO, Just like, 65 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: where are they putting? It? 66 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: Is the biggest crib like a desk drawer, and there's 67 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: on the pullout. 68 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: It has to have been right. I spent a lot 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: of time in and around, like the California medical marijuana industry, 70 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: which is a pretty sketchy business, but like the working 71 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: standards at Twitter sound a lot worse. Absolute good stuff. 72 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 4: Yeah places at least. 73 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was free weed for people. Usually when 74 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: somebody got murdered, you didn't know them very well. You know, 75 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: a lot of benefits of that over over Twitter. So 76 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: uh yeah, Killian was like I it tried to convince 77 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: Musk via his lieutenant Mendoza that like they were putting 78 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: the company in tremendous jeopardy and that they wouldn't be 79 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: able to renegotiate any of their leases if they defaulted 80 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: on rent, which makes sense. Mendoza in response, tells him 81 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: that Muska decided Twitter would only pay rent over his 82 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: dead body. Hey this next, pert, Cody. I got to 83 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: read this to you, guys. Mendoza conveyed that Musk had 84 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: made that statement during a four a m. Conversation that day. 85 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: I say, have you ever heard somebody actually use that expression? 86 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: It's very hack like over my dead body. No, that's 87 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: not a thing people actually say. 88 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: Well, he's not a creative man. 89 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: No, only when people are being like silly, right, Like 90 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: if somebody's like joking around, you might say that, but no, yeah, 91 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: having a laugh. It's like saying I'm putting my foot 92 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: down where it's like, what does that even mean? Like 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: that that doesn't that's not how you anyway, whatever, Yeah, 94 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 1: I've had I've said that. I've said, like I'm putting 95 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: my foot down over like somebody wants to eat at 96 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: Windy's on a road trip and I want Popeyes, you know, 97 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: but like, anyway, whatever, elon silly, fundamentally unseerious man. Musk's 98 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: instructions to simply ignore Twitter's contractual obligations and forced killing 99 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: to breach contracts and destroy relationships he had spent more 100 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: than a decade building would have been more than enough 101 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: to render it impossible for Killian or any reasonable employee 102 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: to remain employed at Twitter. But that was not the 103 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: only issue. Musk was also making clear that his reckless 104 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: disregard included disregard for both the law and for the 105 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: lives and safety of his colleagues and employees. Here we go. 106 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: For example, Davis told Killian that Musk wanted to add 107 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: a bathroom next to his office so MUCKs must didn't 108 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: have to wakes security team and cross half the floor 109 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: to use the bathroom in the middle of the night. 110 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: Killian explained that it would take time to get the 111 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: necessary permits, but promised to begin that process right away. 112 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: In response, Davis instructed Killian not to bother with obtaining 113 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: permits because, to paraphrase, we don't do that. We don't 114 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: have to follow those rules. 115 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 116 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: Shocked, Killian reminded Davis that if they did not get 117 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: a permit, no licensed plumber would perform the work for 118 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: fear of jeopardizing their license. Davis responded by instructing Killian 119 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: to hire an unlicensed plumber instead, just go find it 120 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: a legal plumber for Elon Musk's trime on YouTube. 121 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: Man who fucking cares? 122 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: Also, what an un serious, silly coward of a man 123 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: who like I can't go to the bathroom in my 124 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: own company offices at night without waking up a security team, 125 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: Like I won't cross the floor to go take a 126 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: shit without armed minu at my back. Like I'm sorry, Elon, 127 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: You're not in that much danger at the fucking Twitter offices. 128 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: Oh wait, it was because he didn't like wait, I 129 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: thought it was, like, well. 130 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: The excuse was that he doesn't want to wake up 131 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: his security team anyway. 132 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 6: Well, so I'm I guess I'm confused about which stupid 133 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 6: thing he's doing. So, like, is it he doesn't want 134 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 6: to wake them up because like, oh, they're like sleeping 135 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 6: on my floor because I'm a maniac and like I 136 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 6: need them there. 137 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where is it? 138 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 6: Like, well, I don't want to go down the hall 139 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 6: because if I go down the hall, I have to 140 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 6: wake them up so that they follow me because they're 141 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 6: my security he. 142 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: Might yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's saying that he doesn't 143 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: want to have to get them up to to follow 144 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: him across the floor to the bathroom. You don't, You're 145 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: not just go to the bathroom, man, You're fine, Like 146 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: they're tweets, they're not getting. 147 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 6: If you don't have that king down the hall, those 148 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 6: are technically assassination coordinates, right right, Well. 149 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can. You can os in your way to 150 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: fucking launching a drone at him. Very funny too that 151 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: he's like it's dangerous to have a bathroom put in 152 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: a place without you know, going through the process to 153 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: make sure it's safe to put a bathroom there. Like 154 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of infrastructure a bathroom needs that you 155 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: can't everywhere, And the answer is like, well, put hire 156 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: in a legal plumber for the boss's back. 157 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: Fundamental disconnection from reality or even an understanding of basic 158 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: construction or how things work. 159 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: Well, and just this idea that like I don't need 160 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: to abide by the rules. Well, it's like in this case, 161 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: you loan the rules. You're there because like not every 162 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: space can. 163 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 4: It's not like some like oh random like red tape. 164 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: Oh we do, Yeah, it's yeah. Maybe maybe like the 165 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: floor underneath that bathroom isn't rated to or maybe you'd 166 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: have to like cut you know, one of those beams 167 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: that you're not right fit. 168 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 6: And important to follow that kind of stuff in like 169 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 6: an office building. 170 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 4: But yes, look I know, I thank you. 171 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know a lot of people who have done 172 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: their own electrician work and projects and zero percent of 173 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: them should have done that. But very few of those 174 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: people would have brought in an unlicensed plumber to put 175 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: a bathroom in some random part of a house because 176 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: it's just a different risk matrix, you know, it's it's 177 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: it's not smart when you're talking about especially like it's 178 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: one thing if it's like a fucking trailer, like that's 179 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: a single level, like when you're like, I don't know 180 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: ten floors up or whatever. Just the risks compound. 181 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: Right like a house, like obviously, like it's your house. 182 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 6: Like if you've got to do it, it might be 183 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 6: a disaster, but like it's a it's a multi level building. 184 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 4: What are you doing? 185 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: Man, You're gonna other people's life are affected by your Well, those. 186 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 4: Don't matter now. 187 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: And I do want to note folks, if you are 188 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: looking at doing your own electrical work for a home project, 189 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: go to Amazon dot com and look up cool Zones Media. 190 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media is Home Electricians Guide. It's six pages long. 191 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: It's everything you need to know about doing electrical work. 192 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: You'll be as as as skilled as a licensed journeyman 193 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: electrician if you if you read this book. It includes 194 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: such bangers as you don't need to wear gloves and 195 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: metal conducts electricity, so wear a tinfoil hat. All great 196 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: stuff keeps you, keeps you safe, you know, keeps you healthy. 197 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 4: It makes you the good advice. 198 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie said, I shouldn't start a side business teaching 199 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: people how to do electricity, but. 200 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: I just don't think it's a good Yes, yeah, you 201 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: are pretty busy, well, I think it's it's the great 202 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: use of my time because it sounds people need to 203 00:10:59,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: be liberal. 204 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: It sounds like it all checks out, So good job. 205 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: Spend safety four. 206 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: Something that makes you happy. 207 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: I Sophie, I love convincing people to electrocute themselves. That's 208 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: that's easily like my my my passion. 209 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 6: I mean anyway, I mean to do things safely, safely, yes, health, 210 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 6: health and safety. 211 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: So now thoroughly bewildered, killy An attempted to explain that 212 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: the use of unlicensed trades people was a condition of 213 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: their lease and that failure to abide by it would 214 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: put them in breach of that lease. Davis responded that 215 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: management did not care about any of this, that they 216 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: weren't interested in ensuring the work was performed in accordance 217 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: with the standards required by the leafs, by the City 218 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: of San Francisco, by the State of Calicifornia, or any 219 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: other authority. They just wanted it done. It got worse. 220 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: Musk announced via the transition team that he was going 221 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: to be installing hotel rooms at twitter HQ. Killian initially 222 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: was initially told that the hotel rooms soon renamed to 223 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: sleep rooms to avoid triggering the suspicions of the city 224 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: inspectors were just being installed to give exhausted and overworked 225 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: employees at place to nap. Though the changes had initially 226 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: been simple, if an orthodox removing a conference table and 227 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: installing a bed, Davis instructed Killian to begin planning for 228 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: and implementing the addition of features like on suite bathrooms 229 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: in addition to other changes to the physical plant. Concerned 230 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: about how city inspectors would react to Twitter's plans, Killian 231 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: emailed the transition team to note that the changes they 232 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: had made thus far were limited to just furniture and 233 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: therefore were code compliant, but that Twitter's future planned changes 234 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: would require permits and more complicated code compliance. In response, 235 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: Hollander visited him in person and that's the Steve's girlfriend 236 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: and emphatically instructed him to never put anything about the 237 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: project in writing. Again, that sounds yes. 238 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: Sorry, this all sounds very expensive. 239 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, could you not write about any of the thing. Well, 240 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: it's also like they're saying, we want to install a 241 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: bunch of illegal hotel rooms. Don't put in any and 242 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: he like writes back, why this is not legal, and 243 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: they're like, don't put stuff about this in writing, and 244 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: then Hollander appeared surprised and distressed that Kellyan did not 245 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: inherently understand that this was not a project for which 246 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: Musk and the Transition team wanted a written record, and 247 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: she was particularly angry that he had sent an email 248 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: about it, which is it's yeah, it's that people just don't. 249 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: Understand this whole situation. He sounds like a real bad 250 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 3: moon rising. I had to throw one in here. If 251 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: we're still doing it, that. 252 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: Was that was good. I mean, I guess we are 253 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: because because you just. 254 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 7: You just did it or I'm sorry, Yeah, is that 255 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 7: that's not if. 256 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: There's a one that there's not that there just aren't 257 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: that many that we all know. 258 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: No, I I I I agree. 259 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: He wants save money. That's what I'm saying. 260 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to by doing all the projects 261 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: so people don't have to say it, right, But I'm 262 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: just saying, like this whole thing was about saving money 263 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: and firing people and all these hoops, just the times, 264 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: there's just a massive amount of wasted money getting thrown 265 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: at these projects, at these ideas theory. 266 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it does seem like a huge 267 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: a huge waste of money, or at least you know. 268 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: I heard that through the grape vine. There we go. 269 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: How you doing there, Cody, I'm happy with this, hugging 270 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: the direction that this series does. 271 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: I guess I'm. 272 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Okay, there we go. That's definitely a credent song. 273 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 4: I'm on board. 274 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: It's a lot of It's a lot easier to do 275 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: this if you just make up. When the city inspectors 276 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: came to inspect the hotel rooms, they expressed surprise and 277 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: relief to Chillian, saying this is just furniture. Weeks afected 278 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: more drastic changes as instructed by the transition team. Killeen 279 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: did not tell the inspectors of the future plans to 280 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: expand the changes to the sleeping rooms, but he realized 281 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: with growing unease that his silence was effectively a lie 282 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: of a mission, and one that would be undeniable and 283 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: obvious once the planned changes had been completed in the 284 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: near future. Killeen began to understand that his loyalty to 285 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: Twitter and his desire to protect the company he loved 286 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: from musk in the transition team was going to be 287 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: increasingly challenged by his employer's expectation that he would lie, 288 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: to fraud and even break the law. In Musk's direction, 289 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Killeen was soon instructed to circumvent the landlord's lighting control system, 290 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: which was most insensitive in compliance with California's Title twenty 291 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: four Energy Code, because the lights were bothering people living 292 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: in the hotel rooms. When there's small movements at night 293 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: would trigger the lights. So he submitted a request to 294 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: this for the landlord, and the landlord said no because 295 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: he's this is a requirement because it's not a living area, 296 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: it's an office. Yeah. When the landlord denied Twitter's request, 297 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: Killeen was instructed to disconnect the lighting himself, which was 298 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: not safe, in which he was not qualified to do so. 299 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: Musk did ask him to do electrical work without any 300 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: sort of training or knowledge. That, yeah, that's the good stuff. Yeah, 301 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: living live in the cool zone life. Look, Killian, you know, 302 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: hit us up. I'll give you a half price copy 303 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: of my guide to Home electrical Work. You know, teaches 304 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: you how to uh, how to put a double tap 305 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: in your own breaker, so you can run an arc 306 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: welder in your basement or your living room or your bedroom. 307 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: Why not weld in your bedroom? There's no reason in 308 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: your shower. You No, mattresses can't catch on fire. Yeah, 309 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: a shower if you've never welded it, Ah, God, shower welding, 310 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: shower beer and a shower welder. That's a good afternoon. 311 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 6: A water bed in every office grade wire. 312 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: And a welder next to every water bed. 313 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: The Midnight Special. Okay, go ahead, coachya. 314 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: No, Yeah, that's that is they are asking him to 315 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: do the midnight specially. 316 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 6: They are ask him to the Midnight Special. I find 317 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 6: this obviously it's very funny. But so he's cutting all 318 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 6: these corners and do it like you just like all 319 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 6: the fraud and the lying and the bucking regulation for 320 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 6: like you know, legitimate safety like concerns and stuff like that. 321 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 6: He also owns like a car company and like builds 322 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 6: rockets and stuff. And it feels like maybe this is 323 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 6: an indication that that kind of approach and culture might 324 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 6: be a part of these other companies where things and 325 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 6: like safety are even more of a. 326 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 4: Concern m and have been a problem. 327 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 6: You're having a problem, and maybe they're hiding information that 328 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 6: they're doing this at these other companies too. 329 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you would expect this to cause like a serious 330 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: problem for his other companies like this kind of attitude 331 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: towards safety that's been really demonstrated at Twitter. You'd expect 332 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: this to have caused him a problem like someday, but 333 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: someday never comes seems to it's another. 334 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: God. 335 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: Mmm mmm yeah, that's the good stuff. That's the good stuff. 336 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: M okay, okay, So yeah. 337 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 4: Killian no no no, no, mm hmm. 338 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: So Achillian objects to doing electrical work that he does 339 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: not know how to do, and this Steve's girlfriend berates 340 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: him for refusing to do the work himself. She was 341 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: not satisfied until he brought her in and had her 342 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: look into the drop ceiling and see what the electrical 343 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: system looked like, to understand that he could not safely 344 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 1: do the work himself, and to be like, look at this, 345 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: what do you what do you expect me to do? 346 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm like a building manager. I'm not supposed to be 347 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: doing this. 348 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, just a guy. 349 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's just a dude. He's like, I don't 350 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: know how to do Look, this is dangerous. If I 351 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: start messing around here, we're all gonna be on the graveyard. 352 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: That's another it's another creat man. 353 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 4: As long as I could see the light. 354 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: That's another one. 355 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: What a good bit. I just am watching the light 356 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: die in Cody's eyes every time we do this. Another song, 357 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: It's fine Caught between a rock and a hard place. 358 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: That's not a credent song. That's part of the actual lawsuits. 359 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: Killian hired an electric it does it could be a 360 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: creden song, Caught between a rock and a hard place. 361 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: Killy and hired an electrician to disconnect these rooms independently, 362 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: putting Twitter in a violation of both the building code 363 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: and their lease. It got worse. They are writing this 364 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: with a little bit of like, you know, yeah, yeah, 365 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: if they didn't do a lot more. 366 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: Tweep in a while, yeah. 367 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: You're right, you're right. They have been avoiding that lately. 368 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: Maybe they got a copy editor for like the last 369 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: quarter of this. Yeah, that's really where you'll want the 370 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: extra polish bother people at the beginning, and then slowly like, 371 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: oh wait, I don't hate this anymore. 372 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 373 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. That's how you draw in readers by irritating them. 374 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: That's that's every writer's trick. That's why the stand. The 375 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: stand just opens with Stephen King talking about his taxes 376 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: for nineteen sixty eight. Really laying out his deductions. Then 377 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: they get into that plague. You know, once he's once, 378 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: he's got you. Okay, this actually, this next part's pretty 379 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: fucking egregious. Killian was instructed to install space heaters and 380 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: the hotel rooms, and further violation of Twitter's lease. Killeen 381 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: was also instructed to place locks on the hotel room doors, 382 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: a request that thus betrayed the lie that they were 383 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: intended to be temporary rest spaces for exhausted tweaks. Yeah, 384 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: California code required locks that automatically disengage when the building's 385 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: fire suppression systems are triggered. Killian was repeatedly told that 386 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: compliant locks were too expensive and instructed to immediately install 387 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: cheaper locks. That we're not a compliant with life safety 388 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: and negress code. So the law was like, if you 389 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: have a lock on a door in an office building, 390 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: it has to auto disengage if the fire suppression system. 391 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah right, Otherwise you are trapping people in a room 392 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: when there's a lock. 393 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: That's a problem. 394 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to do 395 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: that because. 396 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: That's this man. 397 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 6: He has the tunnel boring company and the car company 398 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 6: and they're making these tunnels, and it's just like this 399 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 6: theme of being stuck in a fire is seems to 400 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 6: permeate through all of his endeavors, and I think it's alarming. 401 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it does seem like like they the government, 402 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: you know, something should happen here otherwise, otherwise all of 403 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: these Twitter employees are going to go up like an effigy. 404 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 1: It's another credence, a creed. 405 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: That one figures. It's all a real run. 406 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: Through the jungle. 407 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: It's a real run through the jungle, that's right, Katie. 408 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, Killian is like, I we here's the locks 409 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: that will not burn our employees alive, and musks people 410 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: are like, now it's too expensive to have locks that 411 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: don't endanger their lives. Go with the cheap ones that 412 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: endanger their lives. Killian protested that no license trades people 413 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: would perform work that violated the building code. Killian protested 414 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: that installing these locks would put lives at risk that 415 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: in case of an earthquake or fire, which was made 416 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: dramatically more likely by the non compliant electrical work in 417 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: the presence of the space heaters he've been instructed to 418 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: stall install these locks would remain locked blocking first responders 419 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: for being able to access the rooms and the tweets 420 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: within God damn it. Nobody cared? Is the next line? 421 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 4: Nobody care? Nobody cares. 422 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: I We've having lots of laughs with our bits this episode. 423 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 4: Got it. Good job, you're back back on the board. 424 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: Back on the board much. 425 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 4: Yeah he's a monster? 426 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: Yeah s gross? 427 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 4: How do you even sleep? 428 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: He really not worried. 429 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 5: I'm the kind of person couch by afraid wire like, yeah, 430 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 5: by afraid wire again as well. 431 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: Good stuff. 432 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 4: But you know what you were, you were you were 433 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 4: talking about how much you hate this. 434 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: Guy, but you know what abides by all state and 435 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: local fire codes. The sponsors of our podcast. Okay, we're back. 436 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 437 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: So uh, between the demands that he effectively participated in 438 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: theft and front and instructions to take actions and violations 439 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: of California law that would put his colleagues lives at risk, 440 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: thank god they don't put tweets there, he had to 441 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: walk away from the job. So Killian quits resigns December tenth, 442 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. And that brings us to Part F 443 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: allegations relating to piercing the corporate veil. All right, they're 444 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: getting a little bit showy with the language here, and 445 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: I just want to acknowledge that. 446 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 4: But it's fine. It does make it fine. 447 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: It makes it easier for us podcasters. So I am 448 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: grateful there is such a unity of interest in ownership 449 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: between Twitter and Musk that Twitter's separate corporate status no 450 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: longer exists. That's fair. Musk, through ex Holdings One, now 451 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: owns more than fifty percent of Twitter. He dominates Twitter's 452 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: decision making and operations. For instance, Musk changes Twitter's policy 453 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: by conducting polls from his Twitter account. They're talking about 454 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: how he brought back a bunch of Nazis, including Paul 455 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: fucking Neelan, who threatens threns of mind with murders. That's 456 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, he just kind of got back on 457 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: So we're happy with that. DA On Information and Belief, 458 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: Musk has co mingled his other assets with Twitters, bringing 459 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: engineers and executives from his other companies such as Tesla 460 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: and SpaceX and the boring company to provide services for Twitter. 461 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: On Information and Belief, those engineers and executives have not 462 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: been separately hired, retained, or paid by Twitter for any 463 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: services they have provided. A Musk at Twitter. Moreover, Musk 464 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: has repeatedly asserted that Twitter is on the edge of 465 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: insolvency and may declare bankruptcy on information and belief, any 466 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: such bankruptcy would be the result of the debt Twitter 467 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: incurred as part of financing Musk's purchase of Twitter. In 468 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: the first entrance instance, on information and belief, Twitter is 469 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: under capitalized, specifically as a result of Musk's purchase of 470 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: the corporation. Yeah so uh da. As such, applying to 471 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: California law, plaintiffs are entitled to an order holding Musk 472 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: personally liable for any amounts of ah. So, that's what 473 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: they're building towards here, is they think they want to 474 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: personally like hold must himself liable for the money that 475 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: he didn't pay these people, which is fun. I doubt somehow, 476 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: I doubt I'll ever have to pay any money to anyone. Yeah, 477 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to just get away with not doing that 478 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: except for paying his lawyers. 479 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 3: Presumably I wasn't born on the bayou or I know 480 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 3: this Clare story plays out. 481 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: There we go, there, we go. 482 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: Down on the corner, down to the corner around the 483 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 4: band should. 484 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: Down on the corner, down on the corner out in the. 485 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 4: Street is a different song I was doing. I was 486 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 4: doing it. 487 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: One around the Bend is another one. Yeah, okay, anyway, 488 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: knocking him out, well yeah, yeah, okay. So let's see here, 489 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: plaintiffs are entitled to an award of damages in an 490 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: amount to be calculated at trial, but reasonably believed to 491 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: exceed one million dollars uh press plus pre and post 492 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: judgment interest costs, attorney's fees and penalties is authorized by 493 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: the state, which is honestly like as much of a 494 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: big deal as they're making here. 495 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: Because a whole lot of money for you did you 496 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 2: say one million dollars? 497 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, one million. I mean, it's just kind of like 498 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: all they can really ask for is the severance they 499 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: were owed and the you know, there's some amount of 500 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: compensatory damages, but it's not going to be a huge amount. 501 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: My guess, just based on how much like how florid 502 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of this lawsuit is is that they were 503 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: they are primarily hoping to hurt him. Yeah, it's a 504 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: pr thing by putting this stuff out here. 505 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and like yeah, if he does, you know, 506 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 6: a million dollars is like I guess it's not nothing 507 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 6: to him. 508 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 4: Because he needs that money. Is to lose a lot 509 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 4: of money. 510 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah at this point maybe, yeah. 511 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 6: Sort of a symbolic thing and then yet to sort 512 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 6: of ding him in the public eye mostly. 513 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 514 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: So this next bit is they're talking about violations of 515 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: the calif the federal in the California Warren Act. Yeah, 516 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: that this means that Twitter is required to give plaintiffs 517 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: sixty days advance written notice of their terminations. And yeah, 518 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: the obviously they're alleging that Twitter did not abide by 519 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: the Warn Act. They're also required to provide plaintiffs with 520 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: full benefits during their non working leave, which is like 521 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: what they gave people who weren't willing to sign the 522 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: things saying they would like work themselves half to death 523 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: and go into hardcore insaneo mode. So yeah, Twitter violated 524 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: a bunch of California employment law, right, So that's this 525 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: next section here. Plaintiff Arnold was employed at Twitter's San Francisco, 526 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: California office. Plaintiff Pilarts worked remotely from her home and 527 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: was assigned and reported to twitter San Francisco office as 528 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: such for Warn Act purposes. Her single side of employment 529 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: is the San Francisco office, and she is entitled with 530 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: the protections of the California Warn Act. Another plaintiff was 531 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: employed by twitter San Francisco office until COVID and then 532 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: air after worked remotely from his home and was assigned 533 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: and reported to the San Francisco office. So you've got 534 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: all these employees that should have been covered under the 535 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: Warn Act. Twitter did not advise them that they had 536 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: been at placed on non working leave during this period. Instead, 537 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: they merely cut off access to Twitter's internal systems until 538 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: they stopped. They don't tell people they've been laid off. 539 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: They just stop giving the money and wait for them 540 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: to figure it out themselves, which is what happened to 541 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: that like company founder that Twitter had acquired prior to 542 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: Musk taking over, who like stopped getting money. Yeah yeah, 543 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: that guy in like Iceland. Yeah yeah, yeah. It was 544 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: like a big problem for him because he can't actually 545 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: fire that. 546 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: Guy with him. 547 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 6: But then was like, oh and now like everyone's to 548 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 6: why he like tweets at him like we're friends, right. 549 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, God it is. That's so fucked up to just 550 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, we're just gonna stop paying these people, 551 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: but we'll have him keep working for a while without 552 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: knowing that they don't work here anymore. Cool guy, just 553 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: a just good good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, so it seems 554 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: like a bunch of these are just like people who 555 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: were required to be provided with notice before being let 556 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: go and aren't provided with any kind of notice. So 557 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, let's see. This next bit is violations 558 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: of the cal Alifornia Labor Code. Apparently the state itself 559 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: has not yet given notice that it will or will 560 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: not investigate a bunch of the identified violations here. Sure 561 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: would be cool if they did. Kind of seems like 562 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: everybody scared of elon and yeah, it would be neat to. 563 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, see, very basic consequences apply to this 564 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: guy bones. Yeah yeah. Twitter violated section two two seven 565 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: dot three of the California Label Code by failing to 566 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: provide eligible employees with their accrued vacation pay at termination. 567 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: That's great. This goes in with them not like paying 568 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: severance and stuff. Though Twitter purported to provide employees with 569 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: unlimited time off and some employees actually received unlimited time off, 570 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: vacations required manager approval, and many employees were subjected to 571 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: manager employsed caps on theoretically unlimited vacation time. Boy, where 572 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: if we heard all that before. Some managers instructed their 573 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: employees they supervised to limit their vacations to one week 574 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: per quarter. Other managers refuse to approve more than four 575 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: weeks per year. Other managers instructed in police. Now this 576 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: sounds like twittered Maastergi. That is well outside of elon musk, 577 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: Like this is the standard, Like that's why companies do 578 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: this kind of shit, Like you have unlimited vacation days, 579 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: but we have to approve them. So actually, you have 580 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: very limited vacation days, but we don't have to pay 581 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: you if we shit, can you at any point in time? 582 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 4: Companies? 583 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: Good stuff? Good stuff? Yeah, I love that. It's one 584 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: of those Like I remember when we got unlimited vacation 585 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: days and I was like, this is at our old 586 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: employer and being like, oh, that sounds kind of cool. 587 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: But also we don't take time off anyway, like everyone 588 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: here is a work monster, and it kind of just 589 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: seems like you're cutting out the fact that we have 590 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: to be paid for vacation days. If you ever lay 591 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: us off, Oh, I guess we all got fucked, and 592 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: we did. We did get fucked in that, which was cool. 593 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 4: Dude. 594 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's a real unfortunate. 595 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: I was gonna say it's a real round tampble. 596 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: Yeah another one, huh. Okay, So this last bit is 597 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: talking about California family rights interference. So basically, you know, 598 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of rules as to like how you 599 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: have to deal with like people who have kids that 600 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: are on like your insurance and all this kind of stuff. 601 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 7: People get like lead families. Yeah, not the people that 602 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 7: work for him. Yeah, really need to hit that home 603 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 7: before getting into this section. 604 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 605 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's he's he's spent so much time talking 606 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: about how like the biggest threat to the world is 607 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: that people aren't having enough kids that like birth rates 608 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: are down. Uh it's like, I mean it's a pretty 609 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: common like yeah, in August of twenty twenty two, so 610 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: right before all this happens, he warns, quote, population collapse 611 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: due to low birth rates is a bigger risk to 612 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: civilization than global warming. Yeah, which is definitely not true. 613 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah and definitely silly. But also like, I don't know, elon, 614 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: if you believe that, should you not be encouraging people 615 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: to be able to afford to have kids? Like take 616 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: the time out to raise them. 617 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 4: Right, other than just like have a bunch of kids yourself, right. 618 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: Well, And I also think what Elon cares about is 619 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: people having kids. He doesn't care about them raising them 620 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: because he doesn't raise his own children. Yeah, also cares 621 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: about certain I guess that's consistent. 622 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: You know, yes, certain well happen the right people having kids. 623 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: Those are not allegations made by the tweeps, Cody, So 624 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: we'll have to and yeah, don't don't shovel words into 625 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: the tweeps s tweet poles, Cody. Sorry, God, but you 626 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: know who you know whose hole isn't full of tweeps? 627 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 4: Everybody's cute, Susie. 628 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: Susie Q. Sure, yeah, Susie c'es hole is clear of tweeps. 629 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: And so are the holes, all of the holes of 630 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: our sponsors. There are many many holes. 631 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 4: Donut we're back. 632 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: We're thinking about donuts, the most erotic of the breakfast foods, 633 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: next to cereal. 634 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough to cereal. 635 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, maybe a crazy a 636 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 3: whole donut hole. I mean, dont depending on what you 637 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 3: anyway builds donut. 638 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: It's that's what's so hot about cheerios. It's like a 639 00:34:51,960 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: bunch of holes. So California, we get. 640 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 4: Twitter do the spit for a long time. 641 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: We could, we could. That'll really extend the run time. 642 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we I get messages every week from people 643 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: telling me about one pump one quick cream related. 644 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 4: That coffee creamer is still in there. I don't know 645 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 4: what to do about it without a doubt. 646 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: God God willing, God willing. Next. I do miss the 647 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: office in the poison room. We had some good times there. 648 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: Newer listeners don't even know what the poison room was. 649 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: They think it we're joking about the fact that we 650 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: used to work in an office that had a room 651 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: full of deadly poison. It. 652 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: We did, We did. 653 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 4: It. 654 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 1: Sure did have a dog on the ceiling. Those were 655 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: the days of our lives. Like Sand through the hour Glass. 656 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: That was a reference to a soap opera that my 657 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: mom watched when I was a small child. Ah boy, 658 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: we're really really hitting it out of the park this week. 659 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: Look you know after fifty thousand or so. Yeah, man, 660 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm low on fuel. Yeah yeah, the old ramble 661 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: and man ramble and man, that's one of theirs, right, 662 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: probably not someone else anyway. California law bars Twitter from 663 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: discriminating on the basis of race, sex, gender, family status, disability, age, 664 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: and other grounds. Pilarts is a woman that's one of 665 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: the plaintiffs over the age of forty. Arnold is bisexual 666 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: and over the age of forty. The actions of Twitter 667 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: took to layoff or fire it's employees were discriminatory. As 668 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: discussed above, Twitter manufactured pretextural reasons to terminate employees in 669 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: large numbers on information and belief. Twitter's actual decision making 670 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,959 Speaker 1: as to whom to include in the mass terminations targeted women, 671 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: older employees, minorities, and employees who had taken her scheduled 672 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: family leave. Twitter retained employees who were not members of 673 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: protected groups, who had lower performance or seniority, or with 674 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: less qualifications than Pilarts. Twitter retained employees who were not 675 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: members of protected groups, who had lower performance or seniority, 676 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: or with less qualifications than Arnold. Twitter's conduct in the 677 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: mass terminations was oppressive, fraudulent, and malicious information and belief. 678 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: Twitter's offices, directors or managing agents, including defendant Musk, authorized 679 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: and ratified this conduct and engaged in such oppressive, fraudulent, 680 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: or malicious conduct themselves. The decision of which employees to 681 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: include in the mass layoff was made from Twitter's California headquarters. 682 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: Pilarts's sex female was a substantial factor in motivating a 683 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: Twitter's decision to terminate Pilarts. Pylotch's age over forty was 684 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: a substantial factor motivating Twitter's decision to terminate Pilarts. Arnold's 685 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: sexual orientation bisexual was it? So? Yeah? I mean, these 686 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: are all they're saying substantial factors and why they were terminated. 687 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't have trouble believing that given kind of the 688 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,959 Speaker 1: quality of people that I think Musk was bringing in here. 689 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: I will say I do kind of wonder if if 690 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: they might be crediting there being more planning in the layoffs. 691 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: But you know, I wouldn't be surprised if this was 692 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: the case. I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if 693 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: Musk didn't even put enough thought into this to be 694 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: big enough with it too. 695 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 4: I don't know. 696 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to say. So that's that's the lawsuit. That's 697 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: what these guys have put together, guys and ladies and 698 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: and other folks have put together. And seeps, I don't know, tweeps. 699 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: That's this is what the tweeps have said. I hope 700 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: they win. I I don't hold out a lot of 701 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: faith that must will be made to pay any money, 702 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: but I at least hope it causes some properts. 703 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 6: Eventually Twitter will be lying in a tombstone shadow. 704 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: Nice, Cody was really good. 705 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 2: That was a really way to bring this home. 706 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, that was you say that. 707 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 2: I'm proud merry of you. 708 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: Wow. And I'm going to say that you're a gold 709 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: dust one. 710 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, circle. 711 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: I just really think like we didn't get enough out 712 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 1: of that one. Good times, good times. Well everyone, that's 713 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: kind of a shorter week for us here at behind 714 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: the bastards. But what do you what are you gonna do? Huh? 715 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do about that? Gonna fight me? 716 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: You don't know where I am? 717 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 4: Again? You listen to it maybe on a slower speed. 718 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, half the speed in here? You know, why don't you. 719 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 3: Guys just be happy that it's that you have a 720 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 3: bunch of songs stuck in your head now and go 721 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 3: listen to some Macwood. 722 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 4: Fleet what was it again? 723 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: Fleet Fleet Mackwood? Like I am, yeah, yeah, listen to 724 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: some Fleet mac Wood you know, listen to what's coming 725 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: up next, which is Cody reading the entirety of the 726 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: Book of Mormon with no commentary. Thank you for agreeing 727 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: to do that, Katy really appreciate it. 728 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 4: Yeah. 729 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: Uh and anyway, that's a that's going to do it 730 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: for us behind the bastards Katie and Cody. You got 731 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: any plugs before Cody gets into reading his favorite religious test. 732 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 733 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 3: We got a YouTube channel called some More News and 734 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 3: it's also a podcast called some More News that's so 735 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 3: long with her other podcasts called even more News. They're 736 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 3: in the same feed regardless. Just google us and you'll 737 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 3: find the things will. 738 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 4: Be there on the internet places excellent. 739 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 3: And I gotta say, we do talk about Elon Musk 740 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 3: a lot, so if you like that. 741 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, although we do, we have limited it because 742 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 6: we're like so tired of. 743 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 2: I just met in general. If you want a lot 744 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 2: of what we do, if we go into that. 745 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 4: History is practices and yeah his mind. 746 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I found I found a copy of the 747 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: of the Book. 748 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 4: Of Mormon on the que for you. 749 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: I've got several tiers so that you'd help you. I 750 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: prefer Oh good, okay, you keep a look. 751 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 2: Oh you really did find it? 752 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, of course, yeah, yeah. I think it's interesting 753 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: because it opens with Nephi having been born of goodly parents. Uh. 754 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: Therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of 755 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: my father, much like Elon learned from his father how 756 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: to treat people poorly like a dick. So I don't know. 757 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 1: Is Elon the prophecied one from the Book of Mormon? 758 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: Probably not. I don't think there is a prophecied one, 759 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: but I don't know much about the Book of Mormon. 760 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 4: Is he a pagan? Baby? 761 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: Oh? 762 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 4: Nice? 763 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: Ah, Cody m that was a good one. That's a 764 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: hard Credence song to work into this episode. Proud of 765 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: you baby, Yeah, incredible, incredible work. Well, this has been 766 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: a special way for fans of Credence and of Fleetwood 767 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: Mac and also for fans of fleet Mac would so 768 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 1: you are all welcome. Everyone else can go to hell 769 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: and die. And if you want ad free versions of 770 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: our podcasts, Cooler Zone Media, Apple, you can find it. 771 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: Just type those two into Google you'll get you'll get 772 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: what you're looking for. 773 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 2: Let's also linked on our social media and probably in 774 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 2: the subscription. Because I'm good at my job. 775 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: Okay, well that's that sounds like it's probably the case too. 776 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And you know, until next time. Remember, And 777 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: it came to pass that he saw one descending out 778 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: of the midst of heaven, and he beheld that his 779 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 1: luster was above that of the sun at noonday. 780 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 4: Boilers spoilers that. 781 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 2: Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. 782 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 2: For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website coolzonemedia 783 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 2: dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 784 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.