Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, Dan do calling.
Speaker 1: And here's the deal. You hear our voices, and I
Speaker 1: can tell you from where we're speaking right now, we
Speaker 1: are currently in Dumbo, Brooklyn. But but when you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, we will be in Orlando, Florida. That's not
Speaker 1: necessarily true. Well you know if if you're listening on
Speaker 1: the day of release, well, okay, just metaphysically, we're not
Speaker 1: going to be in Dumbo, is what Matt's trying to say. Right.
Speaker 1: But as you guys know, I don't know my words,
Speaker 1: but I do know my heart and I hope that
Speaker 1: you're listening on the day of release. And I have
Speaker 1: a feeling people are going to be excited about this episode,
Speaker 1: of course, and if you are, I'm going to say,
Speaker 1: what is it? Probably noon? Sure, If you're listening at
Speaker 1: noon on the day of release, we will probably if
Speaker 1: our fast pass is followed, Yes, just be getting off
Speaker 1: Space Mountain. Absolutely, We're doing a noon Space Mountain because
Speaker 1: that's the time to do it. If I'm correct about
Speaker 1: my itinerary that I created a shore sure, and I
Speaker 1: think I am, because I do invest a lot of energy,
Speaker 1: and you are fastidious in your planning for Disney World.
Speaker 1: But and is of course pulling the word fastidious from
Speaker 1: a recent audition breakdown that we both got and they
Speaker 1: were trying to say gay without saying gay, so they
Speaker 1: said festid. They're weaponizing the word against us, right right,
Speaker 1: you know what, why not throw it back and take
Speaker 1: back the power? Absolutely, we're too fastidious boys, or in
Speaker 1: our lando perhaps currently depending on when you're listening exactly, Well,
Speaker 1: you guys were sitting a great time, having a great time.
Speaker 1: Uh And for those of you who are joining us
Speaker 1: on Patreon, thank you so much. We're having a blast
Speaker 1: on there so far, so please keep tuning in, maybe
Speaker 1: through five dollars our away, five bucks. It's nothing. It's
Speaker 1: a Lotte, which everyone says, right like, that's the price point.
Speaker 1: It's a coffee if you tip, if you tip, that's
Speaker 1: the rule. I spent four seventy on a coffee, but
Speaker 1: not too much anyway, you know what we're talking about. Okay, good, good, great, great,
Speaker 1: We have really a truly incredible guest. Don't jump around it,
Speaker 1: icon icon you know what, And here's the thing. You
Speaker 1: shake your head and get bashful but you are. And
Speaker 1: I have a question that's just a rephreezing of what
Speaker 1: a friend of the show, John Early asked her one
Speaker 1: time at the I like coalition um at an ally
Speaker 1: coalition event. But you know, we'll get into this, we'll
Speaker 1: get into that question. I mean they come rolling down
Speaker 1: as we say, reality bites, which Wikipedia says solidified her
Speaker 1: as an icon of generation at Wikipedia quoted someone else's
Speaker 1: a secondary source. Okay, so this is something to get
Speaker 1: into here. What the hell do you? I don't even
Speaker 1: know what our generations. I know millennial, but it seems broad.
Speaker 1: I don't know. All I know is the Spice Girls
Speaker 1: did a pepsi ad and they said generation next, and
Speaker 1: even with them, that was very unclear who they were
Speaker 1: talking when we're in that window anyway. What Hot American
Speaker 1: Summer Baby, both the movie and both series on Netflix.
Speaker 1: Romeo Michell's High School re Union perhaps my favorite mystery men,
Speaker 1: and you haven't seen mystery around which I just man, well,
Speaker 1: thanks for outing me right in front of her. But listen,
Speaker 1: we can all see everything. But you should have seen
Speaker 1: Mr Um, the Larry Sanders Show, that Ben still a show,
Speaker 1: The West Wing, and twenty four, which I have to
Speaker 1: get into it with her about twenty four. All right, everyone,
Speaker 1: please it's time. He's just stand up and I come.
Speaker 1: As we said, please welcome, Oh, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. First, I'm not gen X, which I
Speaker 1: am the tail end of the baby boomers. I was playing,
Speaker 1: uh gen X. I was twenty nine at the time,
Speaker 1: playing at twenty year old. The rest of the cast
Speaker 1: was one was firmly a gen X, but I actually
Speaker 1: was twenty nine. So what's the retention between Reppers being
Speaker 1: the post or child for this, you know generation, and
Speaker 1: I don't think I am the poster child for that
Speaker 1: generation at the time in the nineties. I guess I
Speaker 1: was lumped in with that, but I always tried to say,
Speaker 1: I I'm much older than I mean, I can't. I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't take that mantle. But um, I guess if
Speaker 1: there's a poster person for it would be when knowna
Speaker 1: she I think probably is the poster child of that.
Speaker 1: And you know, we recently have seen all these commercials
Speaker 1: about the comeback. Have you seen these perfume commercials? I
Speaker 1: saw it once. Yeah, it was pretty amazing that like
Speaker 1: it was this it's this commercial that's like once in
Speaker 1: a generation. It's like this kind of like comeback centric
Speaker 1: perfume Matt and then you see it's Winona and I
Speaker 1: actually I didn't know who was going to be. It
Speaker 1: looked like Natalie Portman from the back, and then it
Speaker 1: was one on and I was like absolute. But also
Speaker 1: she didn't go anywhere really black Swan among other things,
Speaker 1: use more artsy, artsy films and also by choice. Yes
Speaker 1: she was a real a lot of stuff, but she's
Speaker 1: definitely around. But it's even it's very strange comeback. They
Speaker 1: would say, Will Smith, who who is sitting here? I
Speaker 1: remember once in a preview for a film he did
Speaker 1: Will Smith's come back? Are you kidding me? He's ubiquitous years?
Speaker 1: Absolutely no, I mean that's not a comeback now. I
Speaker 1: don't call it a come don't call it a comeback.
Speaker 1: I do want to follow up with what John asked
Speaker 1: you one time, which is I mean he was going
Speaker 1: to phrase it as who is also in what Hot
Speaker 1: Americans Summer? Your co star ubiquitous as well these days
Speaker 1: also ubiquitous. Um well, will not have a comeback anytime soon?
Speaker 1: Um John asked you, Am I a gay icon? But
Speaker 1: he really? I mean that was a real that was
Speaker 1: like a misdirect from asking you, are you a gay icon?
Speaker 1: Can you answer that? For UM, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm a gay icon. That might be overstanding it, But
Speaker 1: I um many many people over the years have mistaken
Speaker 1: me for both gay and Jewish, to which I say
Speaker 1: thank you. I take it as a compliment because it
Speaker 1: makes me seem far more interesting than an a set
Speaker 1: dual atheist, but that gives me more texture. Sexuality is
Speaker 1: inherently interesting, I would say, absolutely, just more interesting than
Speaker 1: it's in the presence of it's not what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think most people will describe themselves as sexual beings
Speaker 1: and to be a sexual I have a biologically low libido,
Speaker 1: always have. I mean, there was a brief period where
Speaker 1: it seemed to be kind of normal in my late thirties,
Speaker 1: and I think it was a biological imperative, like my
Speaker 1: body saying if you want to have a kid, which
Speaker 1: I did not, this is your last chance. Also, when
Speaker 1: I used to drink heavily, I would be sexual, but
Speaker 1: that was just a chemical thing tengency of the exactly
Speaker 1: I mean janine that technically qualifies you to be under
Speaker 1: the l g B T q Q I a for
Speaker 1: a sexual there's so many letters now, so many letters,
Speaker 1: old soup. But you're technically a queer icon, so I
Speaker 1: think I think we can bestow that. Well, I take
Speaker 1: that as a huge compliment, because the queer in Eligencia
Speaker 1: tempt to have interesting taste, you know, discerning tastes. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're pretty we we sort of wallow
Speaker 1: in the on the low end of things. On this program.
Speaker 1: I don't know we saw taste, you know, which would
Speaker 1: be I feel Perez Hilton and Andy Cohen sort of
Speaker 1: cultivates that gossipy uh sometimes the comedy of cruelty, the
Speaker 1: succession of like a John Waters. Maybe, um yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I take it as a huge compliment. If
Speaker 1: it's is coming from the right sources, I would I
Speaker 1: would consider us the right source, second to you guys,
Speaker 1: the right one thing. Did you see the queer film
Speaker 1: of the Year Called Me by Your Name? No, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that, but I have certainly read every
Speaker 1: great review, every piece, every piece of which there are
Speaker 1: many we're not necessarily fans. Well, you really don't like it.
Speaker 1: I just I'm comparing it to the to the source materials,
Speaker 1: which is the book, which I love. But you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, we don't have to get into that.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, because kissing Jessica Stein, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're all over the place, because Okay, I had
Speaker 1: forgotten you were in four right. I was just in
Speaker 1: it for one season, right, and I watched the season
Speaker 1: that I actually watched that season before I like understood
Speaker 1: what sort of was. I was very into it, like
Speaker 1: like there was one scene there was the one season
Speaker 1: which was remember when the president was like a terrorist
Speaker 1: at the end. Did you watch the show before you
Speaker 1: were on it? I didn't really, but I was just flattered.
Speaker 1: Somebody offered me a job and my good friend mary
Speaker 1: Lynn rice Cup was on it, and so yeah, I
Speaker 1: was very happy to have work a and work with friends.
Speaker 1: Although I did not agree with the politics of the
Speaker 1: creators producers. That was an issue. And also I was
Speaker 1: just there to make liberals look weak and he did
Speaker 1: that purpose. Now, who's a big right wing guy who
Speaker 1: thinks it's a great, a great thing to say that
Speaker 1: he's best friends with Rush Limbaugh. I really feel you
Speaker 1: should keep that to yourself. But he thought that was yeah,
Speaker 1: are and I great? But he knew about my politics,
Speaker 1: and he intended to make me look weak. Then there
Speaker 1: was a big writers strike. I celebrate two birthdays in
Speaker 1: one season on that because there was so much time off.
Speaker 1: And then their new writers came in and they never
Speaker 1: picked up that through line of And also it was
Speaker 1: supposed to make a female president look weak, but you
Speaker 1: can't make Cherry Jones look weak. Erry Jones, Yes, so
Speaker 1: his plans were foiled. Yeah, that's actually rule of culture
Speaker 1: number seventy five. Cherry Jones has the gravitas. We'll find
Speaker 1: she stands in her truth as Susie Orman would want
Speaker 1: her to do. Absolutely so another day, I Susie and Cherry,
Speaker 1: of course, are Susie and Cherry Lincoln? Or is that
Speaker 1: just like a convenience as Susan mon always talks about
Speaker 1: standing and was standing? I Fox with a Susie Ormond
Speaker 1: forty minute video of her just leucturing about you know,
Speaker 1: Poducia responsibility. I like the cut of her gyps she
Speaker 1: knows what's what? I wait further instructions. Yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: Is that what happened on you on the season of
Speaker 1: year character gets like interrogated and broken or like like
Speaker 1: changed because a couple of things happened the strike and
Speaker 1: Marylyn Rice Cup unexpectedly got pregnant. So then they had
Speaker 1: my character have her thrown in jail because you couldn't
Speaker 1: because even though it's just one day, and so after
Speaker 1: the strike was over, she was clearly showing a pregnancy.
Speaker 1: So there was she. If you in the video where
Speaker 1: she's incarcerated, she's behind a big box. That box, those
Speaker 1: boxes that you can't see much. I got that great
Speaker 1: show Playing House, which I love, where one of the
Speaker 1: characters was pregnant and they went out of their way
Speaker 1: to have boxes everywhere they stand. Behind bird Bones, a
Speaker 1: character of bird Bones, the best is I think. I
Speaker 1: think it was unlike Desperate Housewives. They all had to
Speaker 1: like carry a pillow at some point. They always try
Speaker 1: and hide it in some way if they don't want
Speaker 1: to write it into the story, right right, right, I
Speaker 1: think every story. Absolutely she maybe, I mean, you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe that character I was gonna say I had a
Speaker 1: big lunch, but maybe I said, it's just one day,
Speaker 1: so it's hard exactly. This is true because Marilyn Rice
Speaker 1: Cut is a very lean there's no body fat on
Speaker 1: Marylyn my Cut, and even when she was very pregnant.
Speaker 1: It was just like a little basketball. But the thing
Speaker 1: was it was different the television it does famously adds
Speaker 1: in my case. Yeah, I mean, well, here's the thing
Speaker 1: we are gonna now ask you the question that we
Speaker 1: ask all of our guests, which is what is the
Speaker 1: culture that made you Janine step in a cultural direction?
Speaker 1: Like this is the first movie you saw, Um Tunia,
Speaker 1: heard television show you were a regular fan of that
Speaker 1: made you say, okay, culture it might be for me. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is is it's a difficult question because culture
Speaker 1: is around us, and there's high, low, middle brow called
Speaker 1: it just exists. There's it just by being born, you
Speaker 1: are part of a culture. But I do have some
Speaker 1: key things that I guess directed my taste or or
Speaker 1: one of one of the first I guess there's a combination.
Speaker 1: As a child in the seventies, comedy albums were very big.
Speaker 1: My older brother had Um George, Carlin, Cheech and Sean.
Speaker 1: My parents had Nichols and May and Bob and Ray
Speaker 1: and I just listen to them, listen to them, listen
Speaker 1: to and I was just a huge fan. Then s
Speaker 1: CTV came on in and was a huge influence and
Speaker 1: also Around that time, I saw a movie called Take
Speaker 1: the Money and Run by Woody Allen, and I thought,
Speaker 1: I want to somehow this and the thing about I
Speaker 1: guess you're one's taste because we curate in a way
Speaker 1: our own culture. You have. I don't know if epiphany
Speaker 1: is too strong word, but something catches your attention and
Speaker 1: it sticks, and then you become intellectually curious about wanting
Speaker 1: to go deeper into that thing, right, And so I
Speaker 1: would say, comedically speaking, um, I feel I had good
Speaker 1: days to comedy, even as the young person. And they
Speaker 1: say comedy subjective. I disagree with that. There are some
Speaker 1: by any metric bad comedy and then good comedy. And
Speaker 1: Albert Brooks also uh, I became a fan of his
Speaker 1: albums of Stars Bought In Comedy minus one and uh.
Speaker 1: But I would say those were huge influences. And as
Speaker 1: I got older, Letterman came on when I was in
Speaker 1: high school. That was a real touchnow for many many people.
Speaker 1: Everyone tried to right, but also it caught the attention
Speaker 1: of certain people. This is different. Something's going because it's authentic,
Speaker 1: and things are authentic, and even when it's being stupid
Speaker 1: and silly, it's coming from a smart source. That's very
Speaker 1: different from when stupid comedy is coming from a dumb source.
Speaker 1: But when it's coming from a smart source, it's all
Speaker 1: the more interesting. And then I would say the second
Speaker 1: major factor was, Um, when I went to Providence College,
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, big mistake, but at least, but at least
Speaker 1: I was a Rhode Providence College in Providence, Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: It was a very religious university, which I went to
Speaker 1: by choice. I'm an atheist now, but I was religious.
Speaker 1: And w b RU, which was Brown University's college radio station,
Speaker 1: we could I could get on my radio, and that
Speaker 1: music reached me. It was different, it was better, and
Speaker 1: UH sent me down a path of seeing these bands
Speaker 1: live where you meet other people at these venues in
Speaker 1: Rhode Island in Boston, and you see uh different kind
Speaker 1: of people and also sartorial choices to there's a there's
Speaker 1: ways people dress and carry themselves, the music they listen to,
Speaker 1: the comedy, like the books they read. Also, um, somebody
Speaker 1: turned me on to Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky. So
Speaker 1: all of these things taken together became sort of UM,
Speaker 1: I guess my awakening and I don't like words like woke,
Speaker 1: and I understand woke in the dictionary means awake, but
Speaker 1: I don't like it's used with slang, and when people
Speaker 1: use slang for important things it bugs me. Hashtag, well,
Speaker 1: just just speak it. You're an adult, speak it. Just
Speaker 1: say enlightened, awake, whatever it is. Don't put a hashtag
Speaker 1: in front of it. It's it undercuts the gravitas of
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, right, It makes it seem like
Speaker 1: a tool instead of like something that you feel. Just
Speaker 1: making it frivolous, You're just you're being frivolous with language.
Speaker 1: But Jane, you gave us a full sort of tapestry
Speaker 1: of the contours of your well like like and also
Speaker 1: then kids in the hall, things of that nature. But
Speaker 1: also I grew up in a time before social media,
Speaker 1: before before personal computer. You know, people had them before
Speaker 1: all of these things. So when there was comedy or music,
Speaker 1: people made tapes and past them around, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like an underground railroad of rewatching Robert Tilton,
Speaker 1: the pastor of Gas or the Uncle Floyd Show, which
Speaker 1: was on a local affiliate or just uh. It used
Speaker 1: to be called college radio, then it was Indie and
Speaker 1: then alt but these things were not that easy to find.
Speaker 1: And then also an independent film when it really wasn't
Speaker 1: even there were certain touchstone movies that people saw Betty Blue, Rebo,
Speaker 1: Man with Nail and I Wish You were here, um,
Speaker 1: and then also British culture, like there was things that
Speaker 1: were not as easily found, but if you were in
Speaker 1: a certain type of world, they were things that everybody
Speaker 1: in that world was doing. So what do people stand
Speaker 1: to lose now with like the loss of that tactile
Speaker 1: element because you're trying it, like you know, tapes like
Speaker 1: being passed around or it's like, oh, haven't have you
Speaker 1: heard of just like you know, literally having to go
Speaker 1: out and connect with people in order to share this change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anything is lost, because more and
Speaker 1: more people find community now in many ways. You know,
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, um, you know I was.
Speaker 1: I was neither particularly popular nor unpopular. There was no
Speaker 1: poor me story, no nothing. But there were some people
Speaker 1: that were definitely definitely on the fringes and and far
Speaker 1: more complex than me and I, you know, who could
Speaker 1: not find community the way young people can today. So
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of very good things that
Speaker 1: come with that. Now, with that obviously comes a lot
Speaker 1: of nonsense and a lot of narcissism and a lot
Speaker 1: of cruelty and bullying, a whole new layer of bullying
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I do think there is
Speaker 1: some very very good things, especially for young people. They
Speaker 1: can find comfort and people like them very easily now,
Speaker 1: which was not the case. Do you use social media
Speaker 1: at all that I don't. And there's a fake me
Speaker 1: tweeting in a fake Facebook me, but it's not me
Speaker 1: and a fake instrument. I don't understand why, but I
Speaker 1: just that's a full time job, and I'm not I'm not,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm fifty four, so most of my
Speaker 1: life is without it. I'm more comfortable without it. And
Speaker 1: I feel the more you put yourself out there, the
Speaker 1: more you give people a reason to dislike you, a
Speaker 1: reason to take a shot at you, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: roll off my back. I really like when people like me,
Speaker 1: and um I don't. I don't, and some people get
Speaker 1: alerts like when people talk about them and things like that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't roll off my back. It hurts me terribly,
Speaker 1: especially if it's unjust. If somebody says something where it's
Speaker 1: like yeah, well, that's that's there's a fair point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's It still hurts my feelings, but I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: but when it's unjust, especially for political stuff or things
Speaker 1: you've said that are completely reasonable and on the right
Speaker 1: side of history, right, when you get attacked for that,
Speaker 1: it is the most painful, painful thing, at least for me.
Speaker 1: There recently was an interview with Erica bad the interview
Speaker 1: and there was the larger interview, and then there was,
Speaker 1: of course the poll quote, and the poll quote was
Speaker 1: I see good things in Hitler, but what she was
Speaker 1: saying as journalists or not your friend. And then also
Speaker 1: everybody loves to take a shot, everybody, you know. And
Speaker 1: the thing is, Rika Badou has proven herself to be
Speaker 1: a thinker, uh, an artist, huge does her own way,
Speaker 1: and uh now that's a tough one. When you mentioned Hitler,
Speaker 1: that's like one of those things. As soon as it
Speaker 1: it's like somebody dropped an anvil into the conversation. But
Speaker 1: pull quotes is up. They're just not fair, and the
Speaker 1: journalist is always looking for something and then they create
Speaker 1: a foe manufactured anger and it's usually just a very
Speaker 1: small group of people, but it can grow and and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just schoolyard bullying and also a distraction
Speaker 1: at work. You know, Oh, I'm gonna weigh in on
Speaker 1: this person I've never met, and everyone has to it's
Speaker 1: but I feel like they don't. That's right. And I
Speaker 1: know that for younger people it's very hard to disengage
Speaker 1: because it's part and parcel of the fabric of their being.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, you don't have to write. But
Speaker 1: the unit of measurement nowadays is like these little low
Speaker 1: kiss low sigh of like pr bullshit, Like it's like
Speaker 1: the Eric about this, Eric about do you think? It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Eric about not these sympathizers like like
Speaker 1: the takeaways are just what what has she ever done
Speaker 1: that shows she's anonymous? Literally nothing. It's it's people that
Speaker 1: I think, don't even they see the headline, don't even
Speaker 1: read the article because who I time and then they
Speaker 1: take this and they have their take, and then what
Speaker 1: really seems to take the word for the journalists, which
Speaker 1: over the years the time time again they are very
Speaker 1: willing to take poetic license what someone says and also
Speaker 1: leave out of Sunday was laughing or being sarcastic, and
Speaker 1: they love it because they feel it's their job. Not
Speaker 1: all of them, but hack ones. Let's create a controversy.
Speaker 1: So we talk about my article. Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: even know if it was literally the headline of the article,
Speaker 1: but it was someone who took that from it, and
Speaker 1: then that of course became the conversation, and a conversation
Speaker 1: that truly never happens about her in a positive way.
Speaker 1: There's no discussion about her, and in fact, she's had
Speaker 1: on culture and black culture and like music culture, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there is, but not in that, in that that
Speaker 1: that was trending with that, and also leave it alone,
Speaker 1: you know, I could care less. Like everybody's upset about
Speaker 1: whatever are they is? Everybody's everybody's talking about. Really, I
Speaker 1: have heard no one talking. It's just it's just one
Speaker 1: of those things. I can't stand sweeping generalizations like that.
Speaker 1: And and there's nothing more powerful and a fixed idea.
Speaker 1: You dropped that in everyone's a while. Oh I heard
Speaker 1: she's the Nazi sympathetic. Yeah, it's just lazy. And also
Speaker 1: it's just verbal dust. It just means nothing. And also
Speaker 1: like the arrogance that comes with thinking you're gonna have
Speaker 1: the hottest take on that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's going to be my tweet that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be tweeted, Like there's like there's no ability in it.
Speaker 1: Now if you are somebody who has tweeted something that
Speaker 1: is truly edifying and enlightening, like you've you've created content
Speaker 1: or tweeted or post done something that people go, I
Speaker 1: never thought of it like that or that person. That's right,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is that does mean something. But
Speaker 1: when it's this nonsense so that we can all pile on,
Speaker 1: it affects the quality of your life. And actually people
Speaker 1: are lesser than the more they participate in that. God,
Speaker 1: I just don't This is just an Erica story. But
Speaker 1: I saw her this summer at a music festival and
Speaker 1: she was incredible. She's amazing, one of the best, amazing,
Speaker 1: And then like she had a forty five minutes, like
Speaker 1: just forty five minutes, and like but meanwhile she like
Speaker 1: just wraps you up in her sound like within like
Speaker 1: the first number. But then like they like the time
Speaker 1: her time was up and they just cut off her
Speaker 1: mic and I'm just like damn, like they wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: That's so disrespect. It's so disrespectful to anyone, even people
Speaker 1: you don't like. It's embarrassing, and it's there's a better
Speaker 1: ways to do it. Absolutely. Now, if it was somebody
Speaker 1: going on and on, you know, who is a blowhard
Speaker 1: and it is just wasting people's time or drunk whatever,
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But if it's an artist like Erica Bud,
Speaker 1: can you not give maybe have somebody's signal that you
Speaker 1: need to whatever. She's done this before and it's you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is a sort of a weird
Speaker 1: not you know, counterfactual or hypothetical, but it's like, would
Speaker 1: this have happened to a male artist? Who knows? But
Speaker 1: it could. That's one of those things where you don't
Speaker 1: know because time is time, and the bookers of the show,
Speaker 1: in the manager, they don't care who it is. It
Speaker 1: transcends gender. There might have been somebody that they fear
Speaker 1: right was going to be mad, so we better not
Speaker 1: do it. But um, I feel like I've heard many
Speaker 1: stories about both genders having the mics cut. I just
Speaker 1: think she's she's just been burned by the industry a
Speaker 1: couple of times. She's also blood for as much as
Speaker 1: she's burned. She is as as embraced. Yes, yes, that's
Speaker 1: usually the when people are are lightning rods if you will,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, there are just as many, if not more.
Speaker 1: It's just the squeaky wheels that get the grease. Then
Speaker 1: naysayers always are the biggest babies and fill their diapers first,
Speaker 1: so they get paid attention to the culture. It's always
Speaker 1: the squeaky wheels like at the grease and the biggest babies.
Speaker 1: That's a good role that this actually reminds me. The
Speaker 1: other day they had Rose McGowan on the View and
Speaker 1: it was a large interview with her, like it was.
Speaker 1: They devoted a lot of time to her story, as
Speaker 1: they should because she's now has her new book called
Speaker 1: Brave Um, which I can't wait to read, and it
Speaker 1: was like a two part interview with her. And then
Speaker 1: actually when they came back from commercial break, the ladies
Speaker 1: were talking about it more after she had left, and
Speaker 1: it's true. Whoopi Goldberg was like making this point about
Speaker 1: like what what Rose had said, and they started playing
Speaker 1: Whoopee off and then she turns to the camera and
Speaker 1: she goes, maybe don't play me off now, like maybe
Speaker 1: this isn't the time to do this, Like she like
Speaker 1: locked eyes with the camera and was like, there's nothing
Speaker 1: more cowardly than a network TV producer. But having been
Speaker 1: on the view that over the years and UM having
Speaker 1: some discussions about them asking me to temper. This is
Speaker 1: when I worked at Air America and during the Bush year, Uh,
Speaker 1: wed you please just timp not say you know, just fear.
Speaker 1: You know, that's just that's the nature of mainstream show
Speaker 1: business and mainstream any business is fear bureaucracy. That's that's
Speaker 1: the tale as old as time. But with Rose McGown,
Speaker 1: I was watching a little bit of an interview last
Speaker 1: night and with Christian Christian Alman Coor, and it seemed
Speaker 1: as if UM Chris Jone was trying to catch her
Speaker 1: out on something. It seemed like, I don't know for sure,
Speaker 1: but it felt like it was going that way, and
Speaker 1: so my stomach started feeling sick, and so I changed
Speaker 1: the channel. But uh, it seemed like she was saying,
Speaker 1: so you were in the hot tub with with you
Speaker 1: know that, But now that all of these things are
Speaker 1: problematic because it's when I believe the story was uh
Speaker 1: it was Weinstein story and they were both in a
Speaker 1: hot tub, and then unwanted advances came, and Chris John
Speaker 1: kept harping on that, like why were you in the hut?
Speaker 1: But and and Rose, to her credit, was saying, let's
Speaker 1: not make it about this. Let's not make it about
Speaker 1: you know. I've got much more to say on this.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that also in culture
Speaker 1: in life, we'll never get past when people are in
Speaker 1: hot tubs with an aggressive any of these things, because
Speaker 1: people who aren't there go, I'd have never done that.
Speaker 1: But when you're twenty or whatever, she was and was
Speaker 1: being told she's the next big thing, and also had
Speaker 1: been raised in a highly sexualized, inappropriate Her whole life
Speaker 1: was inappropriate advances here and um unfortunate events and from
Speaker 1: the very first Doom generation everything and all the things,
Speaker 1: she was used as a sexual objectified person. She's a
Speaker 1: very very beautiful person and she went along with it.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean she would like to be harassed, but
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where, um, you have to
Speaker 1: factor in all of what made her her, how she
Speaker 1: got to this place, and UM, I don't. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: don't think she'll ever get past with many interviewers those
Speaker 1: types of questions, but she's very very good at deflecting
Speaker 1: those questions, always the circumstantial sort of questions that always
Speaker 1: tossed around. But with her, I think people do it
Speaker 1: even more because I think this smear campaign that Weinstein
Speaker 1: did embark on with her and actually you know the massade,
Speaker 1: just this whole collection of people that whose job it
Speaker 1: was to discredit her. There that's been the narrative about
Speaker 1: Rose McGowan for the last ten years. Is crazy. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's easy to it's low hanging fruit, and
Speaker 1: it's very easy to mock and marginalize anyone in entertainment.
Speaker 1: That's a entertainment, really easy. And if you have taken
Speaker 1: your clothes off, you've that's a trifecta of mocked, marginalized out.
Speaker 1: But also people like to do that. And again I
Speaker 1: don't like sweeping germanizations, but for the most part in
Speaker 1: mainstream media, what they like to do is I don't
Speaker 1: want to think about this, well, how can I categorize
Speaker 1: this person so we could dismiss it exactly exactly, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, it's just let's do this,
Speaker 1: let's pigeonhole it, let's classify it and lay it to
Speaker 1: the side. And that's just the nature of mainstream, especially
Speaker 1: news media. It's trickle. It trickles down all the way
Speaker 1: to I remember in my in my like sketch group
Speaker 1: in college, like I became the director of it, and
Speaker 1: I could feel people taking me less seriously just because
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, he's saying something forceful and
Speaker 1: it's bitchy, you know what I mean, Like you forget it.
Speaker 1: And then like my successor, Sudie Green, who ran the
Speaker 1: group after me, dealt with it and a whole on
Speaker 1: the level because she was a woman and it's just
Speaker 1: crazy and it was coming from twenty year old kids.
Speaker 1: But well, it's I always find that it's differ cult
Speaker 1: to blame or to to hold people to what they
Speaker 1: did anything below the age of three. You know, you
Speaker 1: put a camera on them or you interview them. Most
Speaker 1: people are going to say something dumb when they're young.
Speaker 1: That's just the way. You're not the best version of yourself.
Speaker 1: You will, you will grow and involve, hopefully, hopefully, but
Speaker 1: if any everyone in the world and people turn the
Speaker 1: camera and so they love to take pictures themselves with
Speaker 1: rice pudding and cupcakes. But I'm saying if people follow
Speaker 1: them and listened to their interactions all the time and
Speaker 1: then put it on the TV or whatever people go
Speaker 1: that was dumb to find something. Yeah, any interest because
Speaker 1: obviously it means from political times blah blah blah blah blah. Um,
Speaker 1: any engagement interests at all to like, what's the equivalent now,
Speaker 1: like I guess cricket media, like pot Save American. Well,
Speaker 1: there's all kinds. There's tons of stand up benefits, raising money,
Speaker 1: strong things, and I have attended many of the marches
Speaker 1: and actions um. And then also Dave Wrath, my my
Speaker 1: one of my managers, has this tour the Comedy Resistance
Speaker 1: that he's going to different swing states and stuff, and
Speaker 1: comics are performing. They're raising money for certain things to
Speaker 1: get people engaged. There is one of the great things
Speaker 1: about living in this city, in the outer boroughs is
Speaker 1: there's an action almost every day. You can accidentally walk
Speaker 1: into one and go, hey, I was there, I was
Speaker 1: a citizenship, I'm I'm engaged. Even if you didn't mean
Speaker 1: to go, you just I stood there, And so there's
Speaker 1: that now. Uh. In other ways, I've been asked to
Speaker 1: speak and make public service announcements, which I no longer
Speaker 1: have a wish to do because uh, having gone through
Speaker 1: that that mill In in in the early auts and
Speaker 1: the bushers and and with Air America. Um. Again, being
Speaker 1: in entertainment makes you not listen to that for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, they could get people, people could
Speaker 1: quote unquote respect from all walks of life. You are
Speaker 1: willing to say the same thing, but in a lot
Speaker 1: of these shows won't book them. They just want somebody.
Speaker 1: But even with like that has been on a TV
Speaker 1: show or something like that. But it's uh, And in
Speaker 1: my stand up, I'm happy to talk about things like that.
Speaker 1: I make no secret of how I feel about things,
Speaker 1: and I will in in one on one conversations. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know anywhere that I go, I'm not gonna keep
Speaker 1: silent about certain things. But I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: how productive it is. Um all the time, Let's get actors.
Speaker 1: And also, don't use the word celebrity. I mean a
Speaker 1: I'm not a celebrity, but be that word is so
Speaker 1: off putting. Don't say celebrities for blah blah blah. And
Speaker 1: also usually people in entertainment don't refer to themselves, not
Speaker 1: at all, right, Um, but the people put in the
Speaker 1: campaign together do thinking it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: It is not the right thing. It's it's silly, and
Speaker 1: it's just peep this person. It doesn't define them. Just
Speaker 1: because I happen to have done stand up or been
Speaker 1: in a show or been in a movie, it does
Speaker 1: not define me. I am a citizen like anybody else.
Speaker 1: And I have thoughts and feelings. And you know, if
Speaker 1: I was if I was a an electrician, would you
Speaker 1: take me more? You know? Do I can I say
Speaker 1: something shut up and wire shut up and saying shut up,
Speaker 1: I want to hear that. Shut up and and and
Speaker 1: finish the plumbing. A Barber Streisan concert last year, and
Speaker 1: there was this one if she got political as she does, um,
Speaker 1: and there was this woman if you rose back, just
Speaker 1: screaming about how she didn't want to hear it coming,
Speaker 1: you know, not just that so you don't give a ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you don't care what you're saying to me.
Speaker 1: You've just spoken volunes about you. You don't want to
Speaker 1: hear it. So, but I'm sure you're happy to give
Speaker 1: your opinion. Guess what this person cares about things? And
Speaker 1: you must have known that. Sorry, so you're I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear it just means I don't agree with
Speaker 1: what that person is saying. But if it was Toby Keith,
Speaker 1: I'll hear it, you know what I mean. It's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things. But when people say I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear it, then leave. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's this is important, and especially now. It was it
Speaker 1: was dire during Reagan Bush, but it is beyond critical now.
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna be a person who doesn't want
Speaker 1: to this affects you, do not know that it affects
Speaker 1: if you have children, uh, your children and grandchilans. Now,
Speaker 1: if you don't give a shit about yourself and these things,
Speaker 1: or you think you're above it, do you not care
Speaker 1: at all about the air your kids breathe, or about
Speaker 1: the financial stability, uh, the infrastructure that's not being all
Speaker 1: of these things that affect your life deeply impact. Yes,
Speaker 1: we got rid of Frank Underwood. Yeah, Kevin Spacey, He'll
Speaker 1: never be making decisions that impact your life negatively? Is okay,
Speaker 1: Kevin space He's gone. Stop the celebration. It does nothing
Speaker 1: to affect your life, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Tamber's gone now and that was you know, and
Speaker 1: I and which actually you know what this is. It's
Speaker 1: like talking about Israel's gone with them, with them with
Speaker 1: the me too. I think it's okay to question the
Speaker 1: question er every once in a while. If we transcendgender
Speaker 1: like the bathrooms, human beings are making accusations. Is it?
Speaker 1: You know the person that went after al Franken worked
Speaker 1: for a Fox affiliate, was contacted by Breitbart before she
Speaker 1: decided to take this issue with this picture? Is that
Speaker 1: not fair to ask that question about why now? Why this?
Speaker 1: And also this photo? And also um, I was talking
Speaker 1: to some other comics who were doing their due diligence
Speaker 1: and apparently that photo was fake. They were fake sleeping right,
Speaker 1: so and also beyond that, you were just in war zones.
Speaker 1: This is your takeaway. This is your takeaway, an illegal
Speaker 1: war that kicked off this whole thing that's still going
Speaker 1: with uh, people dying, the refugee crisis, women being sexually
Speaker 1: assaulted all the time on both sides, and people living
Speaker 1: in dire poverty. This is your takeaway that this picture
Speaker 1: from Alpha now he's gone, uh, and and it throws
Speaker 1: away all the wonderful work he's ever done, and I
Speaker 1: think it's okay to question the question are now that
Speaker 1: people immediately recoil when I start talking about that. In
Speaker 1: the same way when I talk about it's okay to
Speaker 1: care about Palestinians. Oh, you're anti Semitic. No. I refused
Speaker 1: to get put in a box like that because it's
Speaker 1: bullying and it shuts down meaningful conversation. You're looking at
Speaker 1: the you know, the million different variables that go into
Speaker 1: just human being. Is talking about the human beings and anything.
Speaker 1: I think it's problematic you call anything me too. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who want to get on board.
Speaker 1: Look at me, look at me too, me too. To
Speaker 1: said it's it's me too can become like a Rod
Speaker 1: Sterling episode of Lights Out on Maple Street, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like or any of the themes he
Speaker 1: dealt with, or the McMartin case way back. When these
Speaker 1: things catch on like a wildfire and they get out
Speaker 1: of control, and then people like I said earlier, nothing
Speaker 1: is more powerful and a fixed idea, that's that's more
Speaker 1: that sticks more than the truth. People's lives are destroyed. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some of these people have been accused have daughters who
Speaker 1: read the present here about it. And and I don't
Speaker 1: think it's for any story to say we don't question
Speaker 1: the question er. That's like the Spanish Inquisition or the
Speaker 1: Crusades or anything. Now, obviously there are people who need
Speaker 1: to be heard. There is no question about that, and
Speaker 1: I am not questioning that. But I do feel if
Speaker 1: bright Bart News has something to do with it, you
Speaker 1: have every right to question accused. And I feel like
Speaker 1: and and because we're talking about human beings and this
Speaker 1: transcends gender in these cases, and I feel like, um it,
Speaker 1: when is it going to be? And maybe it is
Speaker 1: okay to talk about that, but it's much easier to
Speaker 1: come at it with vit real just no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're no. Because when I have discussed this and stand
Speaker 1: up about about the rod Sterling aspect of it, I
Speaker 1: can see people record some people recoiling in there in
Speaker 1: their seats. They'll look on their face changes They're waiting
Speaker 1: for this shoo shoot to drop, even before I even
Speaker 1: start discussing what I'm gonna say that they're ready for
Speaker 1: impact and ready with a response. It's a condition that
Speaker 1: we have now and it is internet that that terrifies us.
Speaker 1: I mean even I'm not even gonna I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: transparent about it. Even talking about it now, it does
Speaker 1: make you a little nervous because there are those people
Speaker 1: who will refuse, who have to fight. You know, this
Speaker 1: is why the Palestinians are still living under apartheid, because
Speaker 1: in this country we are not allowed to care. That's
Speaker 1: been the m O since post war, basically in mainstream
Speaker 1: media anyway, mainstream media, they and politicians, you better not
Speaker 1: discuss it. You better not talk about the Palestinians in
Speaker 1: a kind way. And that's why for years, you know,
Speaker 1: it has real impact. People are dead, dying, living in poverty,
Speaker 1: and living under apartheid. And it is apartheid. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I am not I don't care, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I'm anti Semitic at all. And it is a child's
Speaker 1: argument to talk about that. And I refuse to back
Speaker 1: down from these things because this is how people suffer.
Speaker 1: And it will go on for years. Because eighty year
Speaker 1: stomach fell a little not when I started talking about this.
Speaker 1: That tells you gotta push against or nothing will change. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's on purpose to people want you
Speaker 1: to see a quote unquote enemy as inhuman. They don't
Speaker 1: want you to to to um understand that there's a
Speaker 1: person on the other side. It's what happens right here
Speaker 1: in America. It's what you know. If Russia's interfering the
Speaker 1: way we think they are. They want us to have
Speaker 1: a civil war. They want us to see the other
Speaker 1: side as inhuman. That's Trump getting up there and saying
Speaker 1: they ripped the babies out of the of the wounds.
Speaker 1: That's them that has been you know. But the thing
Speaker 1: is is Rush there was collusion. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many he confessed to. I mean, obviously he's guilty of many,
Speaker 1: many things, which just shows you that if he was
Speaker 1: on the first forty eight, they would have wrapped that
Speaker 1: case up in in forty eight hours. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you watched the first forty eight on A and E.
Speaker 1: But they get it done. There's a crime scene with
Speaker 1: a dead body, a carcass and and maybe a nickname
Speaker 1: of somebody who i'd have been there, and they solve
Speaker 1: it this They have nothing but evidence from from the
Speaker 1: person himself. And yet oh just no, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: like trying to get John Gotty million. It's because there's
Speaker 1: foot there's foot dragging and because many many other people
Speaker 1: will be implicated. But that's just that's just the nature
Speaker 1: of government in this country or any other. But that
Speaker 1: what you mentioned brings me to another book that influenced
Speaker 1: my life of a great deal called I and Thou
Speaker 1: by Martin Buber, which was another one of those life
Speaker 1: changing things. And uh, it talks about how people either
Speaker 1: have an eye it relationship with people or an I
Speaker 1: thou I it means you, you you vilify the other,
Speaker 1: and you lack empathy. And I though, is this is
Speaker 1: a human Now. I'm not at all saying everybody has
Speaker 1: a right. Believe me, there are people who I feel
Speaker 1: should be shut down eight ways to Sunday. It is
Speaker 1: not a side to a story to be homophobic or
Speaker 1: misogynist or or um a warhawk or a liar. That's
Speaker 1: not a side to a story. So I'm not one
Speaker 1: of them. As much as I love Jay Krishna Murdy
Speaker 1: and I do. And that was another seminal book awakening intelligence.
Speaker 1: Uh for me um and a lot of Eastern philosophies.
Speaker 1: I can't go as far as your enemy is your teacher, No,
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's not my teacher. And culture is not my teacher,
Speaker 1: Killy and Conway, uh, Sean Hannity, I wish them ill.
Speaker 1: And when Andrew bar I was walking on it joy
Speaker 1: the same joy as when I found my wallet Union
Speaker 1: Square and I lost it. That level of joy. My my,
Speaker 1: I've told my bright bright story million times when he
Speaker 1: was still alive. This is right after Sarah Palin had
Speaker 1: her whole um uh, what was it? What was the
Speaker 1: word that she made up? That fucking stupid so many
Speaker 1: I don't know many, but she it was. She made
Speaker 1: up refu refugiate. It was refugiate. And I had tweeted
Speaker 1: some some like stupid old. I was nineteen. I tweeted
Speaker 1: some fucking stupid ass zinger of a tweet. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even that good. But then Andrew Brightbart somehow got wind
Speaker 1: of it retweeted it to all of his followers. I
Speaker 1: was on a flight. They don't really care, they don't
Speaker 1: They just want to attack. So I was on a flight,
Speaker 1: turn my phone off. By the time I landed, turn
Speaker 1: my phone back on. All these crazy ass motherfucking tweets
Speaker 1: just calling me all these racist things. But that's why
Speaker 1: it was done. And Andrew Brightbart the reason I felt
Speaker 1: joy is his his behavior impacted negatively the lives of
Speaker 1: many many people in society, and the sting operations shutting
Speaker 1: down egg Corn all these many many things. Uh, he
Speaker 1: was He is a person with no moral compass who
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anybody well. And I'm assuming self loathing has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with that. You can't be a happy,
Speaker 1: stable person and behave in that manner, and his taking
Speaker 1: him out of the equation is a very good thing. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about my vitriol is not aimed at
Speaker 1: little petty things in my personal life, like that person
Speaker 1: was mean to me at the deli. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: people who have actual power that destroy lives for years
Speaker 1: to come. And if the Trump voters, who by the way,
Speaker 1: are not hard, decent, hardworking Americans, and I'm tired of
Speaker 1: that myth. They are decent, hardworking nothing they if they
Speaker 1: didn't get it by the time. And first of all,
Speaker 1: he didn't win, didn't win, and I just take it. Oh,
Speaker 1: he was elected. He was not with what with the
Speaker 1: rolling back of the Voting Rights Act, with voter suppression,
Speaker 1: with interference, and with all kinds of software tampering that
Speaker 1: was in play when John Kerry won and when the
Speaker 1: late antonin Scalia good riddence to bad D installed George
Speaker 1: Bush illegally. I don't believe a Republicans one legally since
Speaker 1: since Bobby Kennedy was shot, I believe eave And this
Speaker 1: is not conspiracy. This is business because with right wingers,
Speaker 1: it's business is blood sport. With bright part it's a
Speaker 1: blood sport. Um there is a concerted effort to dominate
Speaker 1: and to make sure less people vote because when more
Speaker 1: people vote, especially since the sixties, uh is swings left
Speaker 1: and the world American culture especially, there was no putting
Speaker 1: the toothpaste back in the tube after the sixties and
Speaker 1: the only seventies. That's just a fact. And the great
Speaker 1: majority of humans that live in this country are not
Speaker 1: with the quote unquote moral majority. The evangelicals, they're a
Speaker 1: very very small part, but they're well funded and that
Speaker 1: they've got power. They've got also big industry behind them.
Speaker 1: And a decision was made. I think we got to
Speaker 1: make sure that people who have an impact like George McGovern,
Speaker 1: like Mike It's like Bobby Kennedy do not have this
Speaker 1: input like like Jill Stein or Elizabeth Warren or Maxine
Speaker 1: Waters they got to neutralize them, and they have to
Speaker 1: create myths around them, and they have to create that
Speaker 1: it was a landslide that McGovern lost in. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's true, because there's been uh. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I am I allowed to say the F words.
Speaker 1: You know, that's rat which is what made famous during
Speaker 1: the Nickson era where and Karl Rove was recruited as
Speaker 1: a young man because Halderman and Lockman noticed what a
Speaker 1: piece of shitty was in tampering with college elections. Does
Speaker 1: that tell you something about you know where they're so
Speaker 1: after Watergate, you know the phrase Republicans would say never again.
Speaker 1: They didn't mean never again, that they meant never again,
Speaker 1: will we be busted and transparent? And they started at
Speaker 1: that time buying up news stations and papers and creating
Speaker 1: faux think tanks and influencing people. And again, this is
Speaker 1: just business. It's not tinfoil hat time. And that's another
Speaker 1: way to disengage in dis miss They're just a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Since we can go back to ancient Rome, we can
Speaker 1: go back to ancient Egypt. That's just the nature of power.
Speaker 1: It seeks to consolidate. Well, there's something happening now. And
Speaker 1: like Manow talked about this, like she was like two
Speaker 1: things about obstruction of justice are either people get caught
Speaker 1: or people get away with it. And people risk their
Speaker 1: entire lives in their careers because they know at least
Speaker 1: there's some chance of them getting away store And that's
Speaker 1: what's happening now with all Well, there's never been big
Speaker 1: repercussions really, not for Watergate, not for not for end Contra,
Speaker 1: not for Nicaragua, none of these just not a bridge gate,
Speaker 1: but ben Ghazi, Oh, let's keep talking about that. That's
Speaker 1: because the right tends to dominate the conversation because because
Speaker 1: they're very loud, and they've got the money and the
Speaker 1: power and the and the airspace to do it. And
Speaker 1: also the left in the center is not that mean spirit,
Speaker 1: They are not that's that's it's it's who you are
Speaker 1: that makes you be, how you gravitate. It's neuroscience, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not even always about issues, especially for the right.
Speaker 1: It's not about issues at all, because there are no issues.
Speaker 1: It's it's limbic brain, neuroscience, cruelty, anxiety, fear, you know,
Speaker 1: or money grab whatever it is. There's the cynics and
Speaker 1: the suckers. The cynics are at the top using the
Speaker 1: dumb dums as a hammer, and then the dumb dums
Speaker 1: at the bottom. Thing they're going to get what they want.
Speaker 1: And also there's some people of color and the gaze
Speaker 1: will go away. It is a thing because it is
Speaker 1: just all like, it's all emotion. It's all emotional, but
Speaker 1: it's all everything else is informed by that emotion of
Speaker 1: it's frontal lope to and it's my it's myopic. And
Speaker 1: because and it's easier right if you're a right winger,
Speaker 1: you get to claim the moral high ground. You don't
Speaker 1: have to care about anything, you don't have to do anything,
Speaker 1: you don't have to sacrifice anything, got to recycle. I
Speaker 1: don't want to pay my taxes and I always feel like,
Speaker 1: do you like driving on this road? Do you go
Speaker 1: to an airport? Guess what your taxes? And I don't
Speaker 1: want my taxes going to plan parent hunt. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, because of the High Amendment, they really don't.
Speaker 1: So you wants on every dollar to go to the
Speaker 1: military industrial complex. Is that you would prefer that this
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, But that would require
Speaker 1: unpacking and thinking So it's much much easier to be
Speaker 1: on the right because you get to pretend that you've
Speaker 1: got the you know, the flag and Jesus whatever the
Speaker 1: heck um. Yeah, but you get to coast, but you
Speaker 1: will it does bite you and they you still have
Speaker 1: to breathe dirty air. You still have to drink water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you still have to go on a bridge that hasn't
Speaker 1: been serviced for eight hundred years, or amtrack that has antebellum, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, infrastructure, all of these things. They still have
Speaker 1: to do that too. So what are you thinking in
Speaker 1: terms of who are the strong leaders? Like I would
Speaker 1: just like to hear from you who you're excited about
Speaker 1: if anybody, Well, I really enjoyed Kennedy's rebuttal and Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good Democrats maximums and many many
Speaker 1: of the great Democrats. You'll see on C Span two
Speaker 1: on the floor fighting a good fight. They don't get
Speaker 1: a lot of major air time. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: none of that matters until we uh undo what's been
Speaker 1: done with jerrymandering and the Voting Rights Act and the
Speaker 1: tampering of software. Nothing will change until that is addressed.
Speaker 1: All of that's being appealed up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: And that's just like the Supreme Court is hopefully, hopefully
Speaker 1: somebody will do the right thing. I mean, there's some
Speaker 1: decent judges, but for the most part it's been packed
Speaker 1: with with um you know a lot of these people
Speaker 1: that are on the side of the bullies, right, But
Speaker 1: because I think was in North Carolina overturned or something
Speaker 1: North Carlina, again, they are not well represented. The people
Speaker 1: of North Carolina are not in any way well represented
Speaker 1: by the handful of assholes represented in the same way
Speaker 1: that the right wing and the Knesset in Israel dominates.
Speaker 1: The right wing of our government dominates. Does not represent us.
Speaker 1: But it is easy And also Brexit doesn't represent England.
Speaker 1: But it's easy to see why people go, what a
Speaker 1: bunch of assholes. And also Fox News, unfortunately, thanks to Murdoch,
Speaker 1: goes all over the world and they see Fox News,
Speaker 1: so you can understand why I'd go, what's wrong with them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and they don't realize unless they go outside of that.
Speaker 1: But also if you only saw the Brexit people and
Speaker 1: the and the Theresa May people in the and and
Speaker 1: the you Kip in England, you'd go what a bunch
Speaker 1: of assholes. Um, Every country in every era has these problems,
Speaker 1: and until human nature changes, this is not going to
Speaker 1: change so well, I mean, but luckily we do make more.
Speaker 1: I mean time does go on, I mean, progress does.
Speaker 1: That's why they have to I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: consolation that they have to steal the elections to win them.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? You know that's a comfort to know,
Speaker 1: but it's not really. I mean, like, yeah, the moral
Speaker 1: arc bends, not linearly, not even well, there is no
Speaker 1: moral universe doesn't tilt towards anything. It's neutral at best.
Speaker 1: But there when people talk about universe tilts towards justice,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it's and also it
Speaker 1: doesn't take requests. It's not yours, it's not your, it's
Speaker 1: not Alexa's. It's just stop. That's narcissism to me, Like
Speaker 1: the University verse, it's it's there, it's it's it's not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't hear you, it's not going to speak back
Speaker 1: to you. And if it tilted towards justice, history would
Speaker 1: be a very very different thing. We should say it
Speaker 1: is rule number culture. The universe is not Alexa. Although
Speaker 1: what you're saying about we just have to point that
Speaker 1: up as it as a rule. We have to just
Speaker 1: immortalize that. What you're saying about the toothpaste not being
Speaker 1: able to go back into the tube. After the sixties
Speaker 1: and the early seventies were people don't remember that, having
Speaker 1: Ben cognizant in school at that time. They were very
Speaker 1: very you know, the early seventies were even more so
Speaker 1: in many many ways. And Carter was a great, great president.
Speaker 1: Now the story that's been told since because they have to,
Speaker 1: is that he was the worst. Because they can't have
Speaker 1: a person like Carter and his and the first Lady
Speaker 1: Rosalind who are still building homes for habitats. They're authentically
Speaker 1: trying to make a better world. That's why Republicans have
Speaker 1: to tower and feather them and pretend. And by the way, Reagan,
Speaker 1: in cahoots with Kissinger, kept the hostages hostage until after
Speaker 1: the election. This is the kind of person that you're
Speaker 1: talking about to make Carter look bad and to and
Speaker 1: I do we know we wanted to land slide. I
Speaker 1: don't trust that. And you know our press is very
Speaker 1: fast to call out other countries. They're in a second
Speaker 1: stolen election, stole election. Yet here you bring it up
Speaker 1: and then you're seen as a paria. First of all,
Speaker 1: whenever I go to Atlanta, I cry because there's there's
Speaker 1: there's a big sort of banner that you know, honors
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter and as well should be just the best man.
Speaker 1: And if you go to his Presidential library in Georgia,
Speaker 1: it's the most beautiful building in the world. They played
Speaker 1: the sweetest little video about him and Rosa Rosalind Rosalind
Speaker 1: Rosalind just about the peanut farm and everything and oh
Speaker 1: my god, Jimmy Carter's about it. Well you should hear it.
Speaker 1: They make it very easy if you hear um Charles
Speaker 1: Crouthamer or Handy or any of these guys, or Bill
Speaker 1: Crystal or um any Fox, any any fox. And then
Speaker 1: the ones that are considered the smarter one. Wait, what
Speaker 1: about Smith? Now Smith, he has his moments because of
Speaker 1: his his personal still and if you hear some of
Speaker 1: the usual suspects castigating disparaging person, then you know that
Speaker 1: you should be on that person's side in the same
Speaker 1: way the way and Bush and Reagan, and they name
Speaker 1: things the Clear Skies Initiative. Well, you better watch your back.
Speaker 1: Birds and anything of this guy. You know, if it's
Speaker 1: called that, everything's yes. So they make it actually quite simple,
Speaker 1: everything is the opposite, and that it's branded. Because also
Speaker 1: they have no respect for their base who they're talking to,
Speaker 1: because you can't respect people in lie to them that way.
Speaker 1: With Fox News, Roger Roger Els who was there were
Speaker 1: none of those guys now having been on Fox a
Speaker 1: number of times, which is a fool's errand you you
Speaker 1: see that there's a divide between, uh, those that know
Speaker 1: they're lying and those that don't. I don't know which
Speaker 1: is worse. There's some that are very clearly understanding what
Speaker 1: their role is and they know that they're lying. Then
Speaker 1: there's some that you meet their handed eat Brian Kill
Speaker 1: meet some of the Fox they are they have dumb dumbs.
Speaker 1: They are the high school bully, and they also aren't
Speaker 1: real political animals. They don't they don't do their homeworker,
Speaker 1: They read off telemeter. Then there's like Bill O'Reilly who
Speaker 1: in their early days anyway, Greta van Susteren, Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 1: they know they're lying. They're just getting paid their opportunities.
Speaker 1: I don't know which is worse. There, what's both bad.
Speaker 1: What's your take on Megan Kelly. I don't like her.
Speaker 1: I don't like her. You know what, daylight dollar short,
Speaker 1: true colors shine through because you hear about this Jane
Speaker 1: Fonda stuff. She's she's completely anybody who's got a problem
Speaker 1: still like my father still refers to as Hannai Jane.
Speaker 1: The man is baby. He is won't let it go
Speaker 1: and his whole life and it shouldn't be because he
Speaker 1: is the child his first generation, raised poor in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: first to get past the eighth grade, and wanted to
Speaker 1: be the opposite of his family, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And he at college was a young Republican and has
Speaker 1: never let it go because now at this point, and
Speaker 1: he's very religious, but he's a very nice guy, and
Speaker 1: he's very bright. He's just wrong on so many things.
Speaker 1: But now and he doesn't like Fox, he doesn't like Trump.
Speaker 1: He's not one of those. But he is a hardcore Republican,
Speaker 1: there's no and he has elevated Clinton bashing or distaste
Speaker 1: to a philosophy. I don't know why. It's just the
Speaker 1: way it is, um but to un to pull it
Speaker 1: that thread now he'd have to rethink every every everything
Speaker 1: that he has built his ideology, it's in there. But
Speaker 1: he's actually a very nice guy. But in the aggregate
Speaker 1: out there that they out there, although he is in retirement,
Speaker 1: he does nothing but volunteer. He meals on wheels, the
Speaker 1: Big Grandpa program for reading all of these things. But
Speaker 1: he still has a they and also he thinks, uh
Speaker 1: because Santas and this guy wacky elaborate like he well,
Speaker 1: are you Obama a liberal? Are you kidding me? Obama
Speaker 1: is a Republican if nothing else. I mean, I am
Speaker 1: a fan of Barack Obama. But he was a conservative
Speaker 1: of the old school, and he was far too conciliatory.
Speaker 1: Makes no sense why he would ever think there could
Speaker 1: be bipartisanship. When they set out loud, we will do
Speaker 1: everything we can to stand against this man. That there
Speaker 1: is no reason in the world to try and and
Speaker 1: curry favor with people who will never never accept. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were upfront about going as low as possible, and
Speaker 1: they certainly did. And he always was so parsing his
Speaker 1: words so much, which was and you know what, he
Speaker 1: had nothing but support. He had people running through the streets.
Speaker 1: That's when does that happen? And and and yet still
Speaker 1: to have Rick Warren at the inauguration was the first
Speaker 1: thing where you go, Now I feel sick. It's starting.
Speaker 1: The conciliatory nonsense is starting. He actually thinks that he
Speaker 1: can build a bridge, or he's secretly more conservative than
Speaker 1: than we know. But and when that guy said did
Speaker 1: you lie at the State of the Union? Oh might
Speaker 1: he might as well a said you lie, boy? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, if you don't understand how
Speaker 1: racist the Republican Party has become of the last thirty years, um,
Speaker 1: then then you're either a liar or stupid or you
Speaker 1: don't care because you know what. The whole thing about
Speaker 1: him thinking that he can build a bridge to the
Speaker 1: other side is just made so much worse by the
Speaker 1: fact that that's never happened. The reverse of that has
Speaker 1: never happened in the last Oh democrats always are willing,
Speaker 1: always are willing, and yet their pain is ones who
Speaker 1: are not. Because that's what makes them democrats. They are
Speaker 1: a different animal than a Republican, especially today, a modern
Speaker 1: day Republican. I don't know what you would call it. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know a nihilists. Actually, that gives nihilism a
Speaker 1: bad name. I'm not even gonna do that nihil Nihilism
Speaker 1: is often misunderstood, but they are. They are. They're like
Speaker 1: proto fascists. But you can't even use the word fascists
Speaker 1: anymore because people just over that. No, they are opportunists,
Speaker 1: craven um victims. I mean, I think in any possition
Speaker 1: I want they know. They know, and in the same
Speaker 1: way that Bill Buckley knew there was no liberal media bias.
Speaker 1: But you say it enough and you know that they're
Speaker 1: going to bend over backwards to try and not be
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so NPR will give
Speaker 1: a harder time to Elizabeth Warren than they will to
Speaker 1: Kelly And because we don't want to show why. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're going to consider liberal with the truth and
Speaker 1: with kindness and with progress, take it. Take the label.
Speaker 1: It is not a dirty word. That's why I had it.
Speaker 1: When I got the job at Air America, I had
Speaker 1: liberal tattooed arm. And that's not like an I cool.
Speaker 1: It's just to say it's not a dirty word. Should
Speaker 1: be embraced. I don't want to and progressive is fine
Speaker 1: or whatever. But even at the registision they said maybe
Speaker 1: we shouldn't say liberal, and I was like, I am
Speaker 1: absolutely saying liberal. It has a grand tradition of being
Speaker 1: the reason we make any progress. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: but even in high school I grew up on Long Island,
Speaker 1: I was scared to say it was liberal. I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought, like the easy thing is saying like, well,
Speaker 1: if I say I'm liberal, They're gonna know I'm gay
Speaker 1: and I'm a friend. That's brainwashing, and that's down. Liberal
Speaker 1: is something to be proud of. Conservative is not at
Speaker 1: this point, And saying your Republican, as I said, you
Speaker 1: should keep that to yourself. Or if you voted for bregit,
Speaker 1: don't say it out loud. Man. That's like you don't
Speaker 1: rush limba your friends. I remember that because I you
Speaker 1: watch Real Housewives and I'm the New York Andy Cohen
Speaker 1: fully asked them, so who voted for who? And the
Speaker 1: ones that vote for Hillary Clinton are raising their hands proudly,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of them would rather keep it private,
Speaker 1: which tells you why do you want to keep it right?
Speaker 1: So you know that it's bad, So then why did
Speaker 1: you do it? Because they know it's about their money, right,
Speaker 1: but it isn't. They're gaining nothing, but they will gain
Speaker 1: nothing by this. Everybody thinks they're going to somehow make
Speaker 1: money through this dysfunctional government. That is not the case,
Speaker 1: and it's all gonna collapse, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: There is no they're there with that money. He doesn't
Speaker 1: even manage his bankrupt three times over. It's horrible and
Speaker 1: won't really exist tax for terms for many, many reasons.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's just I think Russian money. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just silly. And if you like I said that,
Speaker 1: decent when people trying to say, you know, the Tea
Speaker 1: Party just no racist voters, not decent, hard working. When
Speaker 1: I was banned from MSNBC, I was on Keith Overman
Speaker 1: Show and I was banned from NCBC, although oddly they
Speaker 1: started calling me after Al Franklin was accused to come
Speaker 1: on and talk about it, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: guys can go fun yourself. No, no, that is you
Speaker 1: would banned me for being for what for? What was it? Was? It? Keith, who,
Speaker 1: like Keith was was appalled, and then Keith left shortly after,
Speaker 1: and then I became a regular on his new series
Speaker 1: that he then left. I'm not the only one who's
Speaker 1: been banned for things like that. But um, I also
Speaker 1: lost voiceover jobs after that because a faux controversy was
Speaker 1: created by the and fake things. It wasn't really and
Speaker 1: the and the companies I was doing voice wouldn't have
Speaker 1: even known. They're not watching that show. And but the
Speaker 1: pretend we're gonna boycott and they also um like almost
Speaker 1: like robo bomb it, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like the same five people creating tons of of fake outrage.
Speaker 1: And uh. But then you know when you lose jobs
Speaker 1: over something like that, then you realize, oh, I probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't be working with those people anyway. That's exactly they
Speaker 1: take issue with racist being called racist, then I probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't be with those people. Um, before we move on,
Speaker 1: i'd have to ask, and this is this is just
Speaker 1: a very frivolous question because I wanted to ask this
Speaker 1: for so long. Was the scene in What Hot American
Speaker 1: Summer where you had to find the phone in the
Speaker 1: infirmary shot in one take? Yes, we only had one
Speaker 1: one chance to do it because because of the money,
Speaker 1: I mean that the budget, they didn't have enough to
Speaker 1: redo everything so much. Tomized to grant because I enjoyed
Speaker 1: doing that with Joe, so much, and I loved screaming
Speaker 1: running up and I had wished so much we could
Speaker 1: keep that. I would have liked to have kept on,
Speaker 1: kept on screaming and knocking things. So my favorite part
Speaker 1: is when Joe is frightened by a lamp shade, yes,
Speaker 1: and it punches it. And unfortunately in the liner notes
Speaker 1: for this release of this Wet Hot Compendium, I said
Speaker 1: he punched the phone, and I should have corrected that,
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel like retexting David Wayne. But he
Speaker 1: punched a lamp that and that was like in the
Speaker 1: in the moment, but it makes me laugh so hard
Speaker 1: when you get started by the lamp shade and then
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so funny. I guess so people
Speaker 1: who are reading the liner. No, it's just it really
Speaker 1: is so incredible that cast and what the everyone went
Speaker 1: on to do, and like it's just crazy. That's it's
Speaker 1: amazing that it was Bradley Cooper's first film and Polar's
Speaker 1: first film. I think Elizabeth Bank's first film. I believe, Um,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be Christma actually was wasn't actor, but then
Speaker 1: it became even more bigger. The level of fame achieved
Speaker 1: by Rudd cooper Um and polar is one of those
Speaker 1: that's very rare for anybody. But then also David and
Speaker 1: Michael trajectory like all all all states, because you're lucky
Speaker 1: if one person makes it that high in the pantheon.
Speaker 1: But to have so many in that cast who went
Speaker 1: on to become uber famous signature performers, Yeah, just that
Speaker 1: just goes to show like that the curation that went
Speaker 1: into that ensemble is just well. Also, we all mostly
Speaker 1: knew each other the I had not met Chris Maloney
Speaker 1: before that, but I but I knew of him amazing,
Speaker 1: I can say it now. The biggest crush on Christmallow.
Speaker 1: No good looking, like when he walks in the room,
Speaker 1: like you become not only attractive that way, but funny
Speaker 1: and nice and very very talented. And I used to
Speaker 1: just go watch him do really with with pure lust.
Speaker 1: And that's I'm not really like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, it's not it's not about somebody's looks something,
Speaker 1: but you if you make them funny, then it's like,
Speaker 1: now there's a power there. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: to do, but he is he is like his body
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And usually I don't go for that kind
Speaker 1: of shore. But in his case, that's a man. That's
Speaker 1: a man's a manly man. Chris Malona also never forget
Speaker 1: that gay sex scene that was like totally pure and
Speaker 1: a very great and like honestly very loving, like super
Speaker 1: respects laughs for laughs, but like committed to the characters
Speaker 1: and doing a great job. And also it's testament to
Speaker 1: both of their actings. Now everybody thinks Michael I and
Speaker 1: Black is gay, that's David Wayne Michael shoulder at Michael
Speaker 1: and Black. They've been dealing with that since they were teenagers,
Speaker 1: and they embrace it because they are secure and who
Speaker 1: they are and it's not and they know that it's
Speaker 1: not a criticism to be to be called that. But
Speaker 1: Michael in Black that must have do you know he
Speaker 1: told me so. I don't know whether he's joking, he claims,
Speaker 1: and I'll take him at his word that when he
Speaker 1: was a kid, his mom and her partner sat him
Speaker 1: down and said, you know, you can come out to us.
Speaker 1: He says that that happened. He was like, I'm not gay.
Speaker 1: Two moms. He has dad, and then they divorced and
Speaker 1: then he had two moms. And if he's telling me
Speaker 1: the truth. I believe him. He said they sat him
Speaker 1: down and said, you know, you could come out. Isn't
Speaker 1: that hilarious? Moms, I'm not. And they're like, it seems
Speaker 1: like a sketch from something that's pretty great, and it's
Speaker 1: it's always the ones we have. We have these these
Speaker 1: straight male friends who are just just just the best
Speaker 1: people in the world. You're like, we're often mistaken. There's
Speaker 1: something they're just a good means that they're either nice
Speaker 1: or British, right, because it's a fine line. It's a
Speaker 1: fine line with the euro actually the whole year, British, French,
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes Scandinavian Gay or just internationally. It's true. You're like, god,
Speaker 1: everyone here is an option. But they style they've just
Speaker 1: got a certain um um. Okay, so we should move
Speaker 1: on to I don't think so, honey. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is the moment where you take something We've done
Speaker 1: a lot already, but this is more a concentrated one
Speaker 1: minute on anything in pop culture, anything you want take
Speaker 1: one minute to rail Again, it's very difficult for me
Speaker 1: to get to a point of singling with clarity, but
Speaker 1: you know what you do what you do. But if
Speaker 1: I try to get into a minute. You can just
Speaker 1: stop me in a minute and maybe it'll be under
Speaker 1: a minute. Okay, well we'll go first. I will expand. Okay,
Speaker 1: so um, I think I have a good one. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: As the time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Fantasy movies with long ass titles like Fantastic Beast and
Speaker 1: Where to Find Them and now this one, next one
Speaker 1: is going to be called Fantastic Beast and Where to
Speaker 1: Find Them in like the Secret of Dumbledore and also
Speaker 1: how to Get Lose a Guy ten days. It's like,
Speaker 1: simplify it. You want me to see this movie, call
Speaker 1: it Dumbledore is gay. Second, I don't think so honey
Speaker 1: on this topic, them saying, well, Dumbledore is not going
Speaker 1: to be explicitly gay, but watch this space quote watch
Speaker 1: this space. No, I've been watching this space. Dumbledore is gay,
Speaker 1: and I also think he was an intense fuck. Here's
Speaker 1: my thing. If you don't want it to be gay,
Speaker 1: don't cast Jude Law, who is one of those straits
Speaker 1: who gives you gay. We're seeing him as a psycho sexual,
Speaker 1: gay young pope. I mean he's not gaying the thing,
Speaker 1: but he might as well be. The man gives more
Speaker 1: phase than Naomi Campbell. Here's the deal. We are over it.
Speaker 1: We want Dumbledore to be gay. I'm here watching the movie.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something about the first Fantastic Be
Speaker 1: Somewhere to Find That. It was more sexual than Call
Speaker 1: Me by your Name. Doubledore is gay. Let's have him
Speaker 1: be gay. Jude Laws playing him, he's gay? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. And that's one minute wonderful that was. That
Speaker 1: was gorgeous, that was well constructed. That was a gay
Speaker 1: art house film, Fantastic Bes Somewhere to Find Them? Did
Speaker 1: you see that? I didn't. It was just just take
Speaker 1: us at our word when there's just very artfully done homoroticism,
Speaker 1: beautifully shot homo erotic scenes between Colin Farrell and Ezra Miller.
Speaker 1: So isn't that true many films, especially in early cinema,
Speaker 1: absolutely Lloyd closet. It's a hard getting back to the
Speaker 1: celluloid closet. But I'm upset with them because they have
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp in the movie and it's you know what
Speaker 1: taste in jewelry is not is not right for me?
Speaker 1: And he's also just start to real choices in general
Speaker 1: are not quite right for me. But it seems like
Speaker 1: a very interesting person. Yeah, I didn't have gone to
Speaker 1: a college radio college rock concert back when you were,
Speaker 1: back when you were a providence to start Startorically, he
Speaker 1: did not inspire into music and stuff. He always has been,
Speaker 1: But I I don't know that we would have had
Speaker 1: the same taste. I don't know that for sure. Sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: but there you go. Okay, But anyway, look I'll probably
Speaker 1: go see sure, sure, but I just think let's move past.
Speaker 1: Who's going to be the first character in one of
Speaker 1: these big things to just be gay? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, when is that going to happen? Like
Speaker 1: Star Wars with the po Damn Ran like that, that character,
Speaker 1: he's on the edge, and I feel like it's at
Speaker 1: what point are we just going to have like a
Speaker 1: major mainstream explicitly character but not even he's going to
Speaker 1: take the risk. You don't even have to move the
Speaker 1: dial that much. You just make him be like, just
Speaker 1: just make him scoff and the fucking scene and then
Speaker 1: we'll get it. So I get what you're saying. I
Speaker 1: have has there not been not in film, not in
Speaker 1: like we're just talking about this. We on our last episode,
Speaker 1: I said, there's not a gay character in this one thing,
Speaker 1: and there literally has to be. It was Star Wars,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I get like not wanting
Speaker 1: to risk Star Wars, but like you take risks exactly.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. And I'm like, you're telling me
Speaker 1: in the galaxy, because it is a galaxy. That's actually
Speaker 1: rule number right, rule number thirteen culture Star Wars. It's
Speaker 1: a galaxy, and in the galaxy there's not a gay
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right. I don't know, honey. Maybe
Speaker 1: there transcended that and the pans sexual pans sexual. They
Speaker 1: do say that Laura Dern's character in the extended canon
Speaker 1: is same sex oriented, and we didn't say that. Potentially, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was fan thick or not. God,
Speaker 1: I got it, got it. But listen, give me something,
Speaker 1: tell me a bone films come on? All right, So
Speaker 1: that is beautiful matting out a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: even know it's okay, it's back from all right, this
Speaker 1: is bone yangs. I don't think so, honey. And as
Speaker 1: time will begin now, I don't think so, honey. Food
Speaker 1: truck culture listen. It's it's ephemeral. It's the whole construct
Speaker 1: of it is built on it not being available to
Speaker 1: you at all times, which is fine, but just to
Speaker 1: have to create this artificial scarcity around, Oh, the dumpling
Speaker 1: truck's here, it's Thursday, and having a line of people,
Speaker 1: this throng of people just clamoring for dumplings is just
Speaker 1: not what we not we We we've grown out of
Speaker 1: this as a culture, haven't we. We've grown out of
Speaker 1: first of all, eating from fucking styrofroam trays. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, Sam, What am I supposed to do with this?
Speaker 1: Throw this in the trash and and have that not
Speaker 1: be a stain on my conscience? Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Honey food truck culture for having food
Speaker 1: that is subpar coasts on novelty because you got it
Speaker 1: out of a fucking vehicle. I don't think you know what,
Speaker 1: this is not a novelty In some countries. I go
Speaker 1: to China, I get fucking delicious meals out of a
Speaker 1: cart as well, doesn't cost me an I'm gonna fucking
Speaker 1: leg to buy stuff out of a food I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey food trucks. That's all right, Um, pay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, I'll take it. Listen, Jane, are you ready
Speaker 1: for your I don't think something. I am so. This
Speaker 1: is Janine Garofflers. I don't think so, Honey, her time
Speaker 1: starts now. I do not think so, my dear. Um.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of things. One is the vocal
Speaker 1: fry Valley girls speak, and at least when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, it was contained mostly to southern California. Moon
Speaker 1: Zappa of course made it very, very famous, but it's
Speaker 1: broken wide domestically internationally, and when I hear people who
Speaker 1: are far too old to be doing it's just one
Speaker 1: of those things that becomes it's an affectation that becomes,
Speaker 1: unfortunately part of their way of communicating, and it's it's
Speaker 1: very annoying because it's not authentic. And also slang and
Speaker 1: lingo when it's used by adults, especially on the Cooking Channel,
Speaker 1: the Food Network. And also I believe Richard Lewis deserves
Speaker 1: credit credit for on Steroids and from Hell Now. He
Speaker 1: coined those phrases on Letterman in the eighties and they
Speaker 1: are now part of everyone's lexicon. On steroids, First of all,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be still saying it. But Richard Lewis deserves
Speaker 1: credit for for on Steroids and from Hell from Letterman
Speaker 1: from the Early Boom, and that's one minute, oh gorgeous,
Speaker 1: gorgeously recovered he in his comedy routines, and they became
Speaker 1: like why like a fire, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And but when people still say on steroids on as,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's been done. Let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: the food as an adult would. Um, you don't have
Speaker 1: to say that that cupcake. First of all, it's of
Speaker 1: average size. Stopped tending. It's like, I can't say how
Speaker 1: people are pretending food is large when it's really of
Speaker 1: average to small size. I don't want to play along
Speaker 1: with that. But but when you see adults speaking hashtag
Speaker 1: worth it just speak speak speak it. Because I felt
Speaker 1: like the hashtag thing literally couldn't last much longer than
Speaker 1: when it first became a thing. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: the hashtag thing, that's going to get filtered out, But no,
Speaker 1: it's now becoming the world on every television, all kinds
Speaker 1: of slang and lingo. And I understand that's that's part
Speaker 1: of of our linguisticy of our language. There's all kinds
Speaker 1: of slang that has stood the test of time from
Speaker 1: Shakespeare on. I mean, Shakespeare is responsible for a great
Speaker 1: many things that we say, but some of the things
Speaker 1: and also the way it's like, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go and then be Ley like
Speaker 1: you go hear on the cell phones, because once you
Speaker 1: over hear in name conversations on cell phones, you can't
Speaker 1: underhear them, you know, you just hear them. And adults
Speaker 1: in business, you know they're real business. You can tell
Speaker 1: because I said, we're on the same page and bla
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. So that's how I
Speaker 1: know they're in business. But they're speaking in that childlike
Speaker 1: sing songy way male and female people thirty and over,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like that's not how you spoke,
Speaker 1: you know, and you are bastardizing the Queen's English, and
Speaker 1: I shan't have it. We love it, we love it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's such a hard left turn mentally to
Speaker 1: be like, wait, I'm gonna hashtag this out loud, like
Speaker 1: what are you doing. It's no conversation going, don't don't
Speaker 1: punctuate it with this unnecessary like reduantantly. You are so
Speaker 1: funny like when the person said something. And also I've
Speaker 1: noticed a lot of younger people not gonna lie. It's
Speaker 1: a thing. I'm not gonna lie. But then what follows
Speaker 1: is the most innocuous statement. No one whatever doubt the
Speaker 1: efficacy of It's like I'm not gonna lie love bottled water.
Speaker 1: It's the strangest it's and on house hunters to a
Speaker 1: lot of that's what I'm talking about. That's what I have. Bonus.
Speaker 1: It's not a bonus room. First of all, it's it's
Speaker 1: a room. Let's get that straight. But made a Romancaid ship.
Speaker 1: I haven't all of these nonsense words that adults use,
Speaker 1: especially like fun suburbanized, like when they get together, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You see them h TV a lot.
Speaker 1: It's their form of humor, I guess, and communication. But
Speaker 1: it's just like that's not how you speak, right. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure when the chips are down, if there's an emergency,
Speaker 1: if the houses, I doubt very much. When things are serious,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, grab that, grab tag
Speaker 1: over it. It's just yourself. So if you speak, if
Speaker 1: you don't speak that way when you things are important
Speaker 1: to you, I feel like, just speak speak normally because
Speaker 1: also it's it's more interesting to the listener, I find,
Speaker 1: and for you to up your linguistic game. Just speak
Speaker 1: and don't don't back off. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: young people, uh, I don't want to be vulnerable, and
Speaker 1: that's part of it's like and I was all and
Speaker 1: they're like, and I know that's part of teenage. I
Speaker 1: don't want to commit because I'll get embarrassed if they
Speaker 1: make fun of me. So I do understand that they
Speaker 1: might not know anything else, but I feel like, just
Speaker 1: speak it, speak it and and and it's better for you.
Speaker 1: It's better it And also there's many many very intelligent
Speaker 1: people in my peer group of my life who speak
Speaker 1: unfortunately with a lot of slang with the vocal fry. Now,
Speaker 1: if I didn't know that they were as smart as
Speaker 1: they are, and I'm not even talking about academics. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about emotional intelligence, which can be more important sometimes
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't know it, you know, by the way
Speaker 1: they kind of communicate in a general way that it
Speaker 1: surprises you that when they do form because it literally
Speaker 1: takes a while to get there. But because you've written
Speaker 1: that person off and I don't you know, what I mean,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that I don't write it because
Speaker 1: I'm I like them and I'm warm, but I don't
Speaker 1: understand the need to to speak in this manner especially
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I'm among the oldest, but
Speaker 1: you're forty eight years old. Why are you? Why are
Speaker 1: you speaking like guy fiery or a child, which is
Speaker 1: basically the same thing, pretty much like Guy fiery or
Speaker 1: a child. Um. Well, wow, this has been such a delight.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you coming on, Thank you
Speaker 1: for being here. This has been an amazing episode. Now
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I guess, like from where you're listening,
Speaker 1: we're probably going to get on Splash Mountain, right sure,
Speaker 1: just to let you guys know where we're at between
Speaker 1: Space Mountain and Splash Mountain. We just took an hour
Speaker 1: to petting on the lines. Anything could happen, but we
Speaker 1: probably just stopped a need to turkey like for an hour.
Speaker 1: And it's very very warm. That there's the bathroom bricks,
Speaker 1: that there's crowds. You must consider variables, consider all as
Speaker 1: actually aspirationally you will be hopefully and really getting getting
Speaker 1: our ultimate life on it. Of course, to use are
Speaker 1: not that's more like an operate live your best that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, or your better angels or a little
Speaker 1: attle platitude or people love to get it on jewelery
Speaker 1: your t shirts. Sure, just somehow like that. It's going
Speaker 1: to do it for well, I'd rather them have a
Speaker 1: phrase or a saying on their necklace than their own name.
Speaker 1: Oh I actually the own name annam a state or
Speaker 1: or live love last. Both have to go for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, thank you for listening. Thank you Janine
Speaker 1: Gard already. Should we close it with a song? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What song? Um? Let's do the theme to space Mountain.
Speaker 1: There is space and on that space, there is a
Speaker 1: mountain for a showore and we found love on the
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