1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why why and look 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, Dan do calling. 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: And here's the deal. You hear our voices, and I 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: can tell you from where we're speaking right now, we 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: are currently in Dumbo, Brooklyn. But but when you're listening 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: to this, we will be in Orlando, Florida. That's not 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: necessarily true. Well you know if if you're listening on 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: the day of release, well, okay, just metaphysically, we're not 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: going to be in Dumbo, is what Matt's trying to say. Right. 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: But as you guys know, I don't know my words, 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: but I do know my heart and I hope that 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: you're listening on the day of release. And I have 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: a feeling people are going to be excited about this episode, 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: of course, and if you are, I'm going to say, 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: what is it? Probably noon? Sure, If you're listening at 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: noon on the day of release, we will probably if 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: our fast pass is followed, Yes, just be getting off 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Space Mountain. Absolutely, We're doing a noon Space Mountain because 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: that's the time to do it. If I'm correct about 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: my itinerary that I created a shore sure, and I 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: think I am, because I do invest a lot of energy, 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: and you are fastidious in your planning for Disney World. 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: But and is of course pulling the word fastidious from 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: a recent audition breakdown that we both got and they 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: were trying to say gay without saying gay, so they 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: said festid. They're weaponizing the word against us, right right, 27 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: you know what, why not throw it back and take 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: back the power? Absolutely, we're too fastidious boys, or in 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: our lando perhaps currently depending on when you're listening exactly, Well, 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: you guys were sitting a great time, having a great time. 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: Uh And for those of you who are joining us 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: on Patreon, thank you so much. We're having a blast 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: on there so far, so please keep tuning in, maybe 34 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: through five dollars our away, five bucks. It's nothing. It's 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: a Lotte, which everyone says, right like, that's the price point. 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: It's a coffee if you tip, if you tip, that's 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: the rule. I spent four seventy on a coffee, but 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: not too much anyway, you know what we're talking about. Okay, good, good, great, great, 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: We have really a truly incredible guest. Don't jump around it, 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: icon icon you know what, And here's the thing. You 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: shake your head and get bashful but you are. And 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: I have a question that's just a rephreezing of what 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: a friend of the show, John Early asked her one 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: time at the I like coalition um at an ally 45 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: coalition event. But you know, we'll get into this, we'll 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: get into that question. I mean they come rolling down 47 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: as we say, reality bites, which Wikipedia says solidified her 48 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: as an icon of generation at Wikipedia quoted someone else's 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: a secondary source. Okay, so this is something to get 50 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: into here. What the hell do you? I don't even 51 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: know what our generations. I know millennial, but it seems broad. 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. All I know is the Spice Girls 53 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: did a pepsi ad and they said generation next, and 54 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: even with them, that was very unclear who they were 55 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: talking when we're in that window anyway. What Hot American 56 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: Summer Baby, both the movie and both series on Netflix. 57 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: Romeo Michell's High School re Union perhaps my favorite mystery men, 58 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: and you haven't seen mystery around which I just man, well, 59 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: thanks for outing me right in front of her. But listen, 60 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: we can all see everything. But you should have seen 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Mr Um, the Larry Sanders Show, that Ben still a show, 62 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: The West Wing, and twenty four, which I have to 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: get into it with her about twenty four. All right, everyone, 64 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: please it's time. He's just stand up and I come. 65 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: As we said, please welcome, Oh, thank you, thank you 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: for having me. First, I'm not gen X, which I 67 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: am the tail end of the baby boomers. I was playing, 68 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: uh gen X. I was twenty nine at the time, 69 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: playing at twenty year old. The rest of the cast 70 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: was one was firmly a gen X, but I actually 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: was twenty nine. So what's the retention between Reppers being 72 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: the post or child for this, you know generation, and 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I am the poster child for that 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: generation at the time in the nineties. I guess I 75 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: was lumped in with that, but I always tried to say, 76 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: I I'm much older than I mean, I can't. I can't, 77 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: I can't take that mantle. But um, I guess if 78 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: there's a poster person for it would be when knowna 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: she I think probably is the poster child of that. 80 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: And you know, we recently have seen all these commercials 81 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: about the comeback. Have you seen these perfume commercials? I 82 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: saw it once. Yeah, it was pretty amazing that like 83 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: it was this it's this commercial that's like once in 84 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: a generation. It's like this kind of like comeback centric 85 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: perfume Matt and then you see it's Winona and I 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: actually I didn't know who was going to be. It 87 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: looked like Natalie Portman from the back, and then it 88 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: was one on and I was like absolute. But also 89 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: she didn't go anywhere really black Swan among other things, 90 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: use more artsy, artsy films and also by choice. Yes 91 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: she was a real a lot of stuff, but she's 92 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: definitely around. But it's even it's very strange comeback. They 93 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: would say, Will Smith, who who is sitting here? I 94 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: remember once in a preview for a film he did 95 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: Will Smith's come back? Are you kidding me? He's ubiquitous years? 96 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely no, I mean that's not a comeback now. I 97 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: don't call it a come don't call it a comeback. 98 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: I do want to follow up with what John asked 99 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: you one time, which is I mean he was going 100 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: to phrase it as who is also in what Hot 101 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: Americans Summer? Your co star ubiquitous as well these days 102 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: also ubiquitous. Um well, will not have a comeback anytime soon? 103 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: Um John asked you, Am I a gay icon? But 104 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: he really? I mean that was a real that was 105 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: like a misdirect from asking you, are you a gay icon? 106 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: Can you answer that? For UM, I don't know if 107 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm a gay icon. That might be overstanding it, But 108 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: I um many many people over the years have mistaken 109 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: me for both gay and Jewish, to which I say 110 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: thank you. I take it as a compliment because it 111 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: makes me seem far more interesting than an a set 112 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: dual atheist, but that gives me more texture. Sexuality is 113 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: inherently interesting, I would say, absolutely, just more interesting than 114 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: it's in the presence of it's not what I mean. 115 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: I think most people will describe themselves as sexual beings 116 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: and to be a sexual I have a biologically low libido, 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: always have. I mean, there was a brief period where 118 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: it seemed to be kind of normal in my late thirties, 119 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: and I think it was a biological imperative, like my 120 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: body saying if you want to have a kid, which 121 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: I did not, this is your last chance. Also, when 122 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: I used to drink heavily, I would be sexual, but 123 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: that was just a chemical thing tengency of the exactly 124 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean janine that technically qualifies you to be under 125 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: the l g B T q Q I a for 126 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: a sexual there's so many letters now, so many letters, 127 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: old soup. But you're technically a queer icon, so I 128 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: think I think we can bestow that. Well, I take 129 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: that as a huge compliment, because the queer in Eligencia 130 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: tempt to have interesting taste, you know, discerning tastes. Absolutely. 131 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're pretty we we sort of wallow 132 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: in the on the low end of things. On this program. 133 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: I don't know we saw taste, you know, which would 134 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: be I feel Perez Hilton and Andy Cohen sort of 135 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: cultivates that gossipy uh sometimes the comedy of cruelty, the 136 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: succession of like a John Waters. Maybe, um yeah, I 137 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: feel like I take it as a huge compliment. If 138 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: it's is coming from the right sources, I would I 139 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: would consider us the right source, second to you guys, 140 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: the right one thing. Did you see the queer film 141 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 1: of the Year Called Me by Your Name? No, I haven't. 142 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that, but I have certainly read every 143 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: great review, every piece, every piece of which there are 144 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: many we're not necessarily fans. Well, you really don't like it. 145 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: I just I'm comparing it to the to the source materials, 146 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: which is the book, which I love. But you know 147 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: what I mean, we don't have to get into that. 148 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: I just want to say, because kissing Jessica Stein, Oh yeah, 149 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: but you're all over the place, because Okay, I had 150 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: forgotten you were in four right. I was just in 151 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: it for one season, right, and I watched the season 152 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: that I actually watched that season before I like understood 153 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: what sort of was. I was very into it, like 154 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: like there was one scene there was the one season 155 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: which was remember when the president was like a terrorist 156 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: at the end. Did you watch the show before you 157 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: were on it? I didn't really, but I was just flattered. 158 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: Somebody offered me a job and my good friend mary 159 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: Lynn rice Cup was on it, and so yeah, I 160 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: was very happy to have work a and work with friends. 161 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: Although I did not agree with the politics of the 162 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: creators producers. That was an issue. And also I was 163 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: just there to make liberals look weak and he did 164 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: that purpose. Now, who's a big right wing guy who 165 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: thinks it's a great, a great thing to say that 166 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: he's best friends with Rush Limbaugh. I really feel you 167 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: should keep that to yourself. But he thought that was yeah, 168 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: are and I great? But he knew about my politics, 169 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: and he intended to make me look weak. Then there 170 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: was a big writers strike. I celebrate two birthdays in 171 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: one season on that because there was so much time off. 172 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: And then their new writers came in and they never 173 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: picked up that through line of And also it was 174 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: supposed to make a female president look weak, but you 175 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: can't make Cherry Jones look weak. Erry Jones, Yes, so 176 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: his plans were foiled. Yeah, that's actually rule of culture 177 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: number seventy five. Cherry Jones has the gravitas. We'll find 178 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: she stands in her truth as Susie Orman would want 179 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: her to do. Absolutely so another day, I Susie and Cherry, 180 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: of course, are Susie and Cherry Lincoln? Or is that 181 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: just like a convenience as Susan mon always talks about 182 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: standing and was standing? I Fox with a Susie Ormond 183 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: forty minute video of her just leucturing about you know, 184 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: Poducia responsibility. I like the cut of her gyps she 185 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: knows what's what? I wait further instructions. Yes, absolutely so. 186 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: Is that what happened on you on the season of 187 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: year character gets like interrogated and broken or like like 188 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: changed because a couple of things happened the strike and 189 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: Marylyn Rice Cup unexpectedly got pregnant. So then they had 190 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: my character have her thrown in jail because you couldn't 191 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: because even though it's just one day, and so after 192 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: the strike was over, she was clearly showing a pregnancy. 193 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: So there was she. If you in the video where 194 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: she's incarcerated, she's behind a big box. That box, those 195 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: boxes that you can't see much. I got that great 196 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: show Playing House, which I love, where one of the 197 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: characters was pregnant and they went out of their way 198 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: to have boxes everywhere they stand. Behind bird Bones, a 199 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: character of bird Bones, the best is I think. I 200 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: think it was unlike Desperate Housewives. They all had to 201 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: like carry a pillow at some point. They always try 202 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: and hide it in some way if they don't want 203 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: to write it into the story, right right, right, I 204 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: think every story. Absolutely she maybe, I mean, you know what, 205 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: maybe that character I was gonna say I had a 206 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: big lunch, but maybe I said, it's just one day, 207 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: so it's hard exactly. This is true because Marilyn Rice 208 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: Cut is a very lean there's no body fat on 209 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: Marylyn my Cut, and even when she was very pregnant. 210 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: It was just like a little basketball. But the thing 211 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: was it was different the television it does famously adds 212 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: in my case. Yeah, I mean, well, here's the thing 213 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: we are gonna now ask you the question that we 214 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: ask all of our guests, which is what is the 215 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: culture that made you Janine step in a cultural direction? 216 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: Like this is the first movie you saw, Um Tunia, 217 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: heard television show you were a regular fan of that 218 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: made you say, okay, culture it might be for me. Well, 219 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: the thing is is it's a difficult question because culture 220 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: is around us, and there's high, low, middle brow called 221 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: it just exists. There's it just by being born, you 222 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: are part of a culture. But I do have some 223 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: key things that I guess directed my taste or or 224 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: one of one of the first I guess there's a combination. 225 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: As a child in the seventies, comedy albums were very big. 226 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: My older brother had Um George, Carlin, Cheech and Sean. 227 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: My parents had Nichols and May and Bob and Ray 228 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: and I just listen to them, listen to them, listen 229 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: to and I was just a huge fan. Then s 230 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: CTV came on in and was a huge influence and 231 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: also Around that time, I saw a movie called Take 232 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: the Money and Run by Woody Allen, and I thought, 233 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: I want to somehow this and the thing about I 234 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: guess you're one's taste because we curate in a way 235 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,359 Speaker 1: our own culture. You have. I don't know if epiphany 236 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: is too strong word, but something catches your attention and 237 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: it sticks, and then you become intellectually curious about wanting 238 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: to go deeper into that thing, right, And so I 239 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: would say, comedically speaking, um, I feel I had good 240 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: days to comedy, even as the young person. And they 241 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: say comedy subjective. I disagree with that. There are some 242 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: by any metric bad comedy and then good comedy. And 243 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: Albert Brooks also uh, I became a fan of his 244 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: albums of Stars Bought In Comedy minus one and uh. 245 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: But I would say those were huge influences. And as 246 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: I got older, Letterman came on when I was in 247 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: high school. That was a real touchnow for many many people. 248 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,359 Speaker 1: Everyone tried to right, but also it caught the attention 249 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: of certain people. This is different. Something's going because it's authentic, 250 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: and things are authentic, and even when it's being stupid 251 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: and silly, it's coming from a smart source. That's very 252 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: different from when stupid comedy is coming from a dumb source. 253 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: But when it's coming from a smart source, it's all 254 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: the more interesting. And then I would say the second 255 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: major factor was, Um, when I went to Providence College, 256 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, big mistake, but at least, but at least 257 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: I was a Rhode Providence College in Providence, Rhode Island. 258 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: It was a very religious university, which I went to 259 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: by choice. I'm an atheist now, but I was religious. 260 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: And w b RU, which was Brown University's college radio station, 261 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: we could I could get on my radio, and that 262 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: music reached me. It was different, it was better, and 263 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: UH sent me down a path of seeing these bands 264 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: live where you meet other people at these venues in 265 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: Rhode Island in Boston, and you see uh different kind 266 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: of people and also sartorial choices to there's a there's 267 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: ways people dress and carry themselves, the music they listen to, 268 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: the comedy, like the books they read. Also, um, somebody 269 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: turned me on to Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky. So 270 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: all of these things taken together became sort of UM, 271 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: I guess my awakening and I don't like words like woke, 272 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: and I understand woke in the dictionary means awake, but 273 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: I don't like it's used with slang, and when people 274 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: use slang for important things it bugs me. Hashtag, well, 275 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: just just speak it. You're an adult, speak it. Just 276 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: say enlightened, awake, whatever it is. Don't put a hashtag 277 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: in front of it. It's it undercuts the gravitas of 278 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, right, It makes it seem like 279 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: a tool instead of like something that you feel. Just 280 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: making it frivolous, You're just you're being frivolous with language. 281 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: But Jane, you gave us a full sort of tapestry 282 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: of the contours of your well like like and also 283 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: then kids in the hall, things of that nature. But 284 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: also I grew up in a time before social media, 285 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: before before personal computer. You know, people had them before 286 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: all of these things. So when there was comedy or music, 287 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: people made tapes and past them around, you know what 288 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean. It's like an underground railroad of rewatching Robert Tilton, 289 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: the pastor of Gas or the Uncle Floyd Show, which 290 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: was on a local affiliate or just uh. It used 291 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: to be called college radio, then it was Indie and 292 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: then alt but these things were not that easy to find. 293 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: And then also an independent film when it really wasn't 294 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: even there were certain touchstone movies that people saw Betty Blue, Rebo, 295 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Man with Nail and I Wish You were here, um, 296 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: and then also British culture, like there was things that 297 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: were not as easily found, but if you were in 298 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: a certain type of world, they were things that everybody 299 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: in that world was doing. So what do people stand 300 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: to lose now with like the loss of that tactile 301 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: element because you're trying it, like you know, tapes like 302 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: being passed around or it's like, oh, haven't have you 303 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: heard of just like you know, literally having to go 304 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: out and connect with people in order to share this change. Yeah, 305 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if anything is lost, because more and 306 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: more people find community now in many ways. You know, 307 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, um, you know I was. 308 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: I was neither particularly popular nor unpopular. There was no 309 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: poor me story, no nothing. But there were some people 310 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: that were definitely definitely on the fringes and and far 311 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: more complex than me and I, you know, who could 312 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: not find community the way young people can today. So 313 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of very good things that 314 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: come with that. Now, with that obviously comes a lot 315 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: of nonsense and a lot of narcissism and a lot 316 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: of cruelty and bullying, a whole new layer of bullying 317 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I do think there is 318 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: some very very good things, especially for young people. They 319 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: can find comfort and people like them very easily now, 320 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: which was not the case. Do you use social media 321 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: at all that I don't. And there's a fake me 322 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: tweeting in a fake Facebook me, but it's not me 323 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: and a fake instrument. I don't understand why, but I 324 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: just that's a full time job, and I'm not I'm not, 325 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: like I said, I'm fifty four, so most of my 326 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: life is without it. I'm more comfortable without it. And 327 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: I feel the more you put yourself out there, the 328 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: more you give people a reason to dislike you, a 329 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: reason to take a shot at you, and it doesn't 330 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: roll off my back. I really like when people like me, 331 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: and um I don't. I don't, and some people get 332 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: alerts like when people talk about them and things like that. 333 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't roll off my back. It hurts me terribly, 334 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: especially if it's unjust. If somebody says something where it's 335 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: like yeah, well, that's that's there's a fair point. Yeah, 336 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: that's It still hurts my feelings, but I'm like, okay, 337 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: but when it's unjust, especially for political stuff or things 338 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: you've said that are completely reasonable and on the right 339 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: side of history, right, when you get attacked for that, 340 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: it is the most painful, painful thing, at least for me. 341 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: There recently was an interview with Erica bad the interview 342 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: and there was the larger interview, and then there was, 343 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: of course the poll quote, and the poll quote was 344 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: I see good things in Hitler, but what she was 345 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: saying as journalists or not your friend. And then also 346 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: everybody loves to take a shot, everybody, you know. And 347 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: the thing is, Rika Badou has proven herself to be 348 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: a thinker, uh, an artist, huge does her own way, 349 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: and uh now that's a tough one. When you mentioned Hitler, 350 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: that's like one of those things. As soon as it 351 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: it's like somebody dropped an anvil into the conversation. But 352 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: pull quotes is up. They're just not fair, and the 353 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: journalist is always looking for something and then they create 354 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: a foe manufactured anger and it's usually just a very 355 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: small group of people, but it can grow and and 356 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just schoolyard bullying and also a distraction 357 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: at work. You know, Oh, I'm gonna weigh in on 358 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: this person I've never met, and everyone has to it's 359 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: but I feel like they don't. That's right. And I 360 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: know that for younger people it's very hard to disengage 361 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: because it's part and parcel of the fabric of their being. 362 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: But the thing is, you don't have to write. But 363 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: the unit of measurement nowadays is like these little low 364 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: kiss low sigh of like pr bullshit, Like it's like 365 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: the Eric about this, Eric about do you think? It's like, 366 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, Eric about not these sympathizers like like 367 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: the takeaways are just what what has she ever done 368 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: that shows she's anonymous? Literally nothing. It's it's people that 369 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: I think, don't even they see the headline, don't even 370 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: read the article because who I time and then they 371 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: take this and they have their take, and then what 372 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: really seems to take the word for the journalists, which 373 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: over the years the time time again they are very 374 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: willing to take poetic license what someone says and also 375 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: leave out of Sunday was laughing or being sarcastic, and 376 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: they love it because they feel it's their job. Not 377 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: all of them, but hack ones. Let's create a controversy. 378 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: So we talk about my article. Yeah, and I don't 379 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: even know if it was literally the headline of the article, 380 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: but it was someone who took that from it, and 381 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: then that of course became the conversation, and a conversation 382 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: that truly never happens about her in a positive way. 383 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: There's no discussion about her, and in fact, she's had 384 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: on culture and black culture and like music culture, I'm 385 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: sure there is, but not in that, in that that 386 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: that was trending with that, and also leave it alone, 387 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, I could care less. Like everybody's upset about 388 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: whatever are they is? Everybody's everybody's talking about. Really, I 389 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: have heard no one talking. It's just it's just one 390 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: of those things. I can't stand sweeping generalizations like that. 391 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: And and there's nothing more powerful and a fixed idea. 392 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: You dropped that in everyone's a while. Oh I heard 393 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: she's the Nazi sympathetic. Yeah, it's just lazy. And also 394 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: it's just verbal dust. It just means nothing. And also 395 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: like the arrogance that comes with thinking you're gonna have 396 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: the hottest take on that, you know what I mean, 397 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Like it's going to be my tweet that it's gonna 398 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: be tweeted, Like there's like there's no ability in it. 399 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: Now if you are somebody who has tweeted something that 400 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: is truly edifying and enlightening, like you've you've created content 401 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: or tweeted or post done something that people go, I 402 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: never thought of it like that or that person. That's right, 403 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is that does mean something. But 404 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: when it's this nonsense so that we can all pile on, 405 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: it affects the quality of your life. And actually people 406 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: are lesser than the more they participate in that. God, 407 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: I just don't This is just an Erica story. But 408 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: I saw her this summer at a music festival and 409 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: she was incredible. She's amazing, one of the best, amazing, 410 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: And then like she had a forty five minutes, like 411 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: just forty five minutes, and like but meanwhile she like 412 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: just wraps you up in her sound like within like 413 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: the first number. But then like they like the time 414 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: her time was up and they just cut off her 415 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: mic and I'm just like damn, like they wouldn't do that. 416 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: That's so disrespect. It's so disrespectful to anyone, even people 417 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: you don't like. It's embarrassing, and it's there's a better 418 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: ways to do it. Absolutely. Now, if it was somebody 419 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: going on and on, you know, who is a blowhard 420 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: and it is just wasting people's time or drunk whatever, 421 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: that's one thing. But if it's an artist like Erica Bud, 422 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: can you not give maybe have somebody's signal that you 423 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: need to whatever. She's done this before and it's you know, 424 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. This is a sort of a weird 425 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: not you know, counterfactual or hypothetical, but it's like, would 426 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: this have happened to a male artist? Who knows? But 427 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: it could. That's one of those things where you don't 428 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: know because time is time, and the bookers of the show, 429 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: in the manager, they don't care who it is. It 430 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: transcends gender. There might have been somebody that they fear 431 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: right was going to be mad, so we better not 432 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: do it. But um, I feel like I've heard many 433 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: stories about both genders having the mics cut. I just 434 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: think she's she's just been burned by the industry a 435 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: couple of times. She's also blood for as much as 436 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: she's burned. She is as as embraced. Yes, yes, that's 437 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: usually the when people are are lightning rods if you will, 438 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, there are just as many, if not more. 439 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: It's just the squeaky wheels that get the grease. Then 440 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: naysayers always are the biggest babies and fill their diapers first, 441 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: so they get paid attention to the culture. It's always 442 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: the squeaky wheels like at the grease and the biggest babies. 443 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: That's a good role that this actually reminds me. The 444 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: other day they had Rose McGowan on the View and 445 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: it was a large interview with her, like it was. 446 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: They devoted a lot of time to her story, as 447 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: they should because she's now has her new book called 448 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: Brave Um, which I can't wait to read, and it 449 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: was like a two part interview with her. And then 450 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: actually when they came back from commercial break, the ladies 451 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: were talking about it more after she had left, and 452 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: it's true. Whoopi Goldberg was like making this point about 453 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: like what what Rose had said, and they started playing 454 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: Whoopee off and then she turns to the camera and 455 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: she goes, maybe don't play me off now, like maybe 456 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: this isn't the time to do this, Like she like 457 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: locked eyes with the camera and was like, there's nothing 458 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: more cowardly than a network TV producer. But having been 459 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: on the view that over the years and UM having 460 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: some discussions about them asking me to temper. This is 461 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: when I worked at Air America and during the Bush year, Uh, 462 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: wed you please just timp not say you know, just fear. 463 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: You know, that's just that's the nature of mainstream show 464 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: business and mainstream any business is fear bureaucracy. That's that's 465 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: the tale as old as time. But with Rose McGown, 466 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: I was watching a little bit of an interview last 467 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: night and with Christian Christian Alman Coor, and it seemed 468 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: as if UM Chris Jone was trying to catch her 469 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: out on something. It seemed like, I don't know for sure, 470 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: but it felt like it was going that way, and 471 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: so my stomach started feeling sick, and so I changed 472 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: the channel. But uh, it seemed like she was saying, 473 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: so you were in the hot tub with with you 474 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: know that, But now that all of these things are 475 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: problematic because it's when I believe the story was uh 476 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: it was Weinstein story and they were both in a 477 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: hot tub, and then unwanted advances came, and Chris John 478 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: kept harping on that, like why were you in the hut? 479 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: But and and Rose, to her credit, was saying, let's 480 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: not make it about this. Let's not make it about 481 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: you know. I've got much more to say on this. 482 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that also in culture 483 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: in life, we'll never get past when people are in 484 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: hot tubs with an aggressive any of these things, because 485 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: people who aren't there go, I'd have never done that. 486 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: But when you're twenty or whatever, she was and was 487 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: being told she's the next big thing, and also had 488 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: been raised in a highly sexualized, inappropriate Her whole life 489 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: was inappropriate advances here and um unfortunate events and from 490 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: the very first Doom generation everything and all the things, 491 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: she was used as a sexual objectified person. She's a 492 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: very very beautiful person and she went along with it. 493 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean she would like to be harassed, but 494 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where, um, you have to 495 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: factor in all of what made her her, how she 496 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: got to this place, and UM, I don't. Unfortunately, I 497 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: don't think she'll ever get past with many interviewers those 498 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: types of questions, but she's very very good at deflecting 499 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: those questions, always the circumstantial sort of questions that always 500 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: tossed around. But with her, I think people do it 501 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: even more because I think this smear campaign that Weinstein 502 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: did embark on with her and actually you know the massade, 503 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: just this whole collection of people that whose job it 504 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: was to discredit her. There that's been the narrative about 505 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: Rose McGowan for the last ten years. Is crazy. That's 506 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: the thing. It's easy to it's low hanging fruit, and 507 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: it's very easy to mock and marginalize anyone in entertainment. 508 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: That's a entertainment, really easy. And if you have taken 509 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: your clothes off, you've that's a trifecta of mocked, marginalized out. 510 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: But also people like to do that. And again I 511 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: don't like sweeping germanizations, but for the most part in 512 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: mainstream media, what they like to do is I don't 513 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: want to think about this, well, how can I categorize 514 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: this person so we could dismiss it exactly exactly, you 515 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, it's just let's do this, 516 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: let's pigeonhole it, let's classify it and lay it to 517 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: the side. And that's just the nature of mainstream, especially 518 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: news media. It's trickle. It trickles down all the way 519 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: to I remember in my in my like sketch group 520 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: in college, like I became the director of it, and 521 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: I could feel people taking me less seriously just because 522 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, he's saying something forceful and 523 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: it's bitchy, you know what I mean, Like you forget it. 524 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: And then like my successor, Sudie Green, who ran the 525 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: group after me, dealt with it and a whole on 526 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: the level because she was a woman and it's just 527 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: crazy and it was coming from twenty year old kids. 528 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: But well, it's I always find that it's differ cult 529 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: to blame or to to hold people to what they 530 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: did anything below the age of three. You know, you 531 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: put a camera on them or you interview them. Most 532 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: people are going to say something dumb when they're young. 533 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: That's just the way. You're not the best version of yourself. 534 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: You will, you will grow and involve, hopefully, hopefully, but 535 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: if any everyone in the world and people turn the 536 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: camera and so they love to take pictures themselves with 537 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: rice pudding and cupcakes. But I'm saying if people follow 538 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: them and listened to their interactions all the time and 539 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: then put it on the TV or whatever people go 540 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: that was dumb to find something. Yeah, any interest because 541 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: obviously it means from political times blah blah blah blah blah. Um, 542 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: any engagement interests at all to like, what's the equivalent now, 543 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: like I guess cricket media, like pot Save American. Well, 544 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: there's all kinds. There's tons of stand up benefits, raising money, 545 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: strong things, and I have attended many of the marches 546 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: and actions um. And then also Dave Wrath, my my 547 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: one of my managers, has this tour the Comedy Resistance 548 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: that he's going to different swing states and stuff, and 549 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: comics are performing. They're raising money for certain things to 550 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: get people engaged. There is one of the great things 551 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: about living in this city, in the outer boroughs is 552 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: there's an action almost every day. You can accidentally walk 553 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: into one and go, hey, I was there, I was 554 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: a citizenship, I'm I'm engaged. Even if you didn't mean 555 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: to go, you just I stood there, And so there's 556 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: that now. Uh. In other ways, I've been asked to 557 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: speak and make public service announcements, which I no longer 558 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: have a wish to do because uh, having gone through 559 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: that that mill In in in the early auts and 560 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: the bushers and and with Air America. Um. Again, being 561 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: in entertainment makes you not listen to that for whatever reason. 562 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, they could get people, people could 563 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: quote unquote respect from all walks of life. You are 564 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: willing to say the same thing, but in a lot 565 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: of these shows won't book them. They just want somebody. 566 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: But even with like that has been on a TV 567 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: show or something like that. But it's uh, And in 568 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: my stand up, I'm happy to talk about things like that. 569 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: I make no secret of how I feel about things, 570 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: and I will in in one on one conversations. Uh, 571 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: you know anywhere that I go, I'm not gonna keep 572 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: silent about certain things. But I don't I don't know 573 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: how productive it is. Um all the time, Let's get actors. 574 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: And also, don't use the word celebrity. I mean a 575 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm not a celebrity, but be that word is so 576 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: off putting. Don't say celebrities for blah blah blah. And 577 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: also usually people in entertainment don't refer to themselves, not 578 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: at all, right, Um, but the people put in the 579 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: campaign together do thinking it's the right thing to do. 580 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: It is not the right thing. It's it's silly, and 581 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: it's just peep this person. It doesn't define them. Just 582 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: because I happen to have done stand up or been 583 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: in a show or been in a movie, it does 584 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: not define me. I am a citizen like anybody else. 585 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: And I have thoughts and feelings. And you know, if 586 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: I was if I was a an electrician, would you 587 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: take me more? You know? Do I can I say 588 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: something shut up and wire shut up and saying shut up, 589 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: I want to hear that. Shut up and and and 590 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: finish the plumbing. A Barber Streisan concert last year, and 591 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: there was this one if she got political as she does, um, 592 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: and there was this woman if you rose back, just 593 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: screaming about how she didn't want to hear it coming, 594 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, not just that so you don't give a ship. Yeah, 595 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you don't care what you're saying to me. 596 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: You've just spoken volunes about you. You don't want to 597 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: hear it. So, but I'm sure you're happy to give 598 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: your opinion. Guess what this person cares about things? And 599 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: you must have known that. Sorry, so you're I don't 600 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: want to hear it just means I don't agree with 601 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: what that person is saying. But if it was Toby Keith, 602 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: I'll hear it, you know what I mean. It's it's 603 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: one of those things. But when people say I don't 604 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: want to hear it, then leave. You know what I mean? 605 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: It's this is important, and especially now. It was it 606 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: was dire during Reagan Bush, but it is beyond critical now. 607 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: And if you're gonna be a person who doesn't want 608 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: to this affects you, do not know that it affects 609 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: if you have children, uh, your children and grandchilans. Now, 610 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: if you don't give a shit about yourself and these things, 611 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: or you think you're above it, do you not care 612 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: at all about the air your kids breathe, or about 613 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: the financial stability, uh, the infrastructure that's not being all 614 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: of these things that affect your life deeply impact. Yes, 615 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: we got rid of Frank Underwood. Yeah, Kevin Spacey, He'll 616 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: never be making decisions that impact your life negatively? Is okay, 617 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: Kevin space He's gone. Stop the celebration. It does nothing 618 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: to affect your life, do you know what I mean? 619 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Tamber's gone now and that was you know, and 620 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: I and which actually you know what this is. It's 621 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: like talking about Israel's gone with them, with them with 622 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: the me too. I think it's okay to question the 623 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: question er every once in a while. If we transcendgender 624 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: like the bathrooms, human beings are making accusations. Is it? 625 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: You know the person that went after al Franken worked 626 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: for a Fox affiliate, was contacted by Breitbart before she 627 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: decided to take this issue with this picture? Is that 628 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: not fair to ask that question about why now? Why this? 629 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 1: And also this photo? And also um, I was talking 630 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: to some other comics who were doing their due diligence 631 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: and apparently that photo was fake. They were fake sleeping right, 632 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: so and also beyond that, you were just in war zones. 633 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: This is your takeaway. This is your takeaway, an illegal 634 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: war that kicked off this whole thing that's still going 635 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: with uh, people dying, the refugee crisis, women being sexually 636 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: assaulted all the time on both sides, and people living 637 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: in dire poverty. This is your takeaway that this picture 638 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: from Alpha now he's gone, uh, and and it throws 639 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: away all the wonderful work he's ever done, and I 640 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: think it's okay to question the question are now that 641 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: people immediately recoil when I start talking about that. In 642 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: the same way when I talk about it's okay to 643 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: care about Palestinians. Oh, you're anti Semitic. No. I refused 644 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: to get put in a box like that because it's 645 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: bullying and it shuts down meaningful conversation. You're looking at 646 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: the you know, the million different variables that go into 647 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: just human being. Is talking about the human beings and anything. 648 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: I think it's problematic you call anything me too. There's 649 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people who want to get on board. 650 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: Look at me, look at me too, me too. To 651 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: said it's it's me too can become like a Rod 652 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: Sterling episode of Lights Out on Maple Street, you know 653 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, like or any of the themes he 654 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: dealt with, or the McMartin case way back. When these 655 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: things catch on like a wildfire and they get out 656 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: of control, and then people like I said earlier, nothing 657 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: is more powerful and a fixed idea, that's that's more 658 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: that sticks more than the truth. People's lives are destroyed. Uh. 659 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: Some of these people have been accused have daughters who 660 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: read the present here about it. And and I don't 661 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: think it's for any story to say we don't question 662 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: the question er. That's like the Spanish Inquisition or the 663 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: Crusades or anything. Now, obviously there are people who need 664 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: to be heard. There is no question about that, and 665 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: I am not questioning that. But I do feel if 666 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: bright Bart News has something to do with it, you 667 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: have every right to question accused. And I feel like 668 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: and and because we're talking about human beings and this 669 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: transcends gender in these cases, and I feel like, um it, 670 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: when is it going to be? And maybe it is 671 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: okay to talk about that, but it's much easier to 672 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: come at it with vit real just no, no, no, 673 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: you're no. Because when I have discussed this and stand 674 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: up about about the rod Sterling aspect of it, I 675 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: can see people record some people recoiling in there in 676 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: their seats. They'll look on their face changes They're waiting 677 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: for this shoo shoot to drop, even before I even 678 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: start discussing what I'm gonna say that they're ready for 679 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: impact and ready with a response. It's a condition that 680 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: we have now and it is internet that that terrifies us. 681 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean even I'm not even gonna I'm gonna be 682 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: transparent about it. Even talking about it now, it does 683 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: make you a little nervous because there are those people 684 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: who will refuse, who have to fight. You know, this 685 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: is why the Palestinians are still living under apartheid, because 686 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: in this country we are not allowed to care. That's 687 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: been the m O since post war, basically in mainstream 688 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: media anyway, mainstream media, they and politicians, you better not 689 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: discuss it. You better not talk about the Palestinians in 690 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: a kind way. And that's why for years, you know, 691 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 1: it has real impact. People are dead, dying, living in poverty, 692 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: and living under apartheid. And it is apartheid. It doesn't 693 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: mean I am not I don't care, it doesn't mean 694 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm anti Semitic at all. And it is a child's 695 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 1: argument to talk about that. And I refuse to back 696 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: down from these things because this is how people suffer. 697 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: And it will go on for years. Because eighty year 698 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: stomach fell a little not when I started talking about this. 699 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: That tells you gotta push against or nothing will change. Well, 700 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's on purpose to people want you 701 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: to see a quote unquote enemy as inhuman. They don't 702 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: want you to to to um understand that there's a 703 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: person on the other side. It's what happens right here 704 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: in America. It's what you know. If Russia's interfering the 705 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: way we think they are. They want us to have 706 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: a civil war. They want us to see the other 707 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: side as inhuman. That's Trump getting up there and saying 708 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: they ripped the babies out of the of the wounds. 709 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: That's them that has been you know. But the thing 710 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: is is Rush there was collusion. I don't know how 711 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,919 Speaker 1: many he confessed to. I mean, obviously he's guilty of many, 712 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: many things, which just shows you that if he was 713 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: on the first forty eight, they would have wrapped that 714 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: case up in in forty eight hours. I don't know 715 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: if you watched the first forty eight on A and E. 716 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: But they get it done. There's a crime scene with 717 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: a dead body, a carcass and and maybe a nickname 718 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: of somebody who i'd have been there, and they solve 719 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: it this They have nothing but evidence from from the 720 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: person himself. And yet oh just no, no, no, it's 721 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: like trying to get John Gotty million. It's because there's 722 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,479 Speaker 1: foot there's foot dragging and because many many other people 723 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: will be implicated. But that's just that's just the nature 724 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: of government in this country or any other. But that 725 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: what you mentioned brings me to another book that influenced 726 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: my life of a great deal called I and Thou 727 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: by Martin Buber, which was another one of those life 728 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: changing things. And uh, it talks about how people either 729 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: have an eye it relationship with people or an I 730 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: thou I it means you, you you vilify the other, 731 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: and you lack empathy. And I though, is this is 732 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: a human Now. I'm not at all saying everybody has 733 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: a right. Believe me, there are people who I feel 734 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: should be shut down eight ways to Sunday. It is 735 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: not a side to a story to be homophobic or 736 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: misogynist or or um a warhawk or a liar. That's 737 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: not a side to a story. So I'm not one 738 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: of them. As much as I love Jay Krishna Murdy 739 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: and I do. And that was another seminal book awakening intelligence. 740 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 1: Uh for me um and a lot of Eastern philosophies. 741 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: I can't go as far as your enemy is your teacher, No, 742 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's not my teacher. And culture is not my teacher, 743 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: Killy and Conway, uh, Sean Hannity, I wish them ill. 744 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: And when Andrew bar I was walking on it joy 745 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,919 Speaker 1: the same joy as when I found my wallet Union 746 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: Square and I lost it. That level of joy. My my, 747 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 1: I've told my bright bright story million times when he 748 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: was still alive. This is right after Sarah Palin had 749 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: her whole um uh, what was it? What was the 750 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: word that she made up? That fucking stupid so many 751 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't know many, but she it was. She made 752 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: up refu refugiate. It was refugiate. And I had tweeted 753 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: some some like stupid old. I was nineteen. I tweeted 754 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: some fucking stupid ass zinger of a tweet. It wasn't 755 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: even that good. But then Andrew Brightbart somehow got wind 756 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: of it retweeted it to all of his followers. I 757 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: was on a flight. They don't really care, they don't 758 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,959 Speaker 1: They just want to attack. So I was on a flight, 759 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: turn my phone off. By the time I landed, turn 760 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: my phone back on. All these crazy ass motherfucking tweets 761 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: just calling me all these racist things. But that's why 762 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,760 Speaker 1: it was done. And Andrew Brightbart the reason I felt 763 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: joy is his his behavior impacted negatively the lives of 764 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: many many people in society, and the sting operations shutting 765 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: down egg Corn all these many many things. Uh, he 766 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: was He is a person with no moral compass who 767 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: doesn't mean anybody well. And I'm assuming self loathing has 768 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 1: a lot to do with that. You can't be a happy, 769 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: stable person and behave in that manner, and his taking 770 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 1: him out of the equation is a very good thing. Now, 771 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about my vitriol is not aimed at 772 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 1: little petty things in my personal life, like that person 773 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: was mean to me at the deli. I'm talking about 774 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: people who have actual power that destroy lives for years 775 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: to come. And if the Trump voters, who by the way, 776 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: are not hard, decent, hardworking Americans, and I'm tired of 777 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: that myth. They are decent, hardworking nothing they if they 778 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: didn't get it by the time. And first of all, 779 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: he didn't win, didn't win, and I just take it. Oh, 780 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: he was elected. He was not with what with the 781 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: rolling back of the Voting Rights Act, with voter suppression, 782 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: with interference, and with all kinds of software tampering that 783 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: was in play when John Kerry won and when the 784 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: late antonin Scalia good riddence to bad D installed George 785 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: Bush illegally. I don't believe a Republicans one legally since 786 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: since Bobby Kennedy was shot, I believe eave And this 787 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: is not conspiracy. This is business because with right wingers, 788 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: it's business is blood sport. With bright part it's a 789 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: blood sport. Um there is a concerted effort to dominate 790 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: and to make sure less people vote because when more 791 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: people vote, especially since the sixties, uh is swings left 792 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: and the world American culture especially, there was no putting 793 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: the toothpaste back in the tube after the sixties and 794 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: the only seventies. That's just a fact. And the great 795 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: majority of humans that live in this country are not 796 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: with the quote unquote moral majority. The evangelicals, they're a 797 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: very very small part, but they're well funded and that 798 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: they've got power. They've got also big industry behind them. 799 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: And a decision was made. I think we got to 800 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,720 Speaker 1: make sure that people who have an impact like George McGovern, 801 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: like Mike It's like Bobby Kennedy do not have this 802 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,240 Speaker 1: input like like Jill Stein or Elizabeth Warren or Maxine 803 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: Waters they got to neutralize them, and they have to 804 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: create myths around them, and they have to create that 805 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: it was a landslide that McGovern lost in. I don't 806 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: know if that's true, because there's been uh. I don't 807 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: know if I am I allowed to say the F words. 808 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: You know, that's rat which is what made famous during 809 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: the Nickson era where and Karl Rove was recruited as 810 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: a young man because Halderman and Lockman noticed what a 811 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: piece of shitty was in tampering with college elections. Does 812 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 1: that tell you something about you know where they're so 813 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: after Watergate, you know the phrase Republicans would say never again. 814 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: They didn't mean never again, that they meant never again, 815 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,839 Speaker 1: will we be busted and transparent? And they started at 816 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: that time buying up news stations and papers and creating 817 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: faux think tanks and influencing people. And again, this is 818 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 1: just business. It's not tinfoil hat time. And that's another 819 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: way to disengage in dis miss They're just a conspiracy. 820 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: Since we can go back to ancient Rome, we can 821 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: go back to ancient Egypt. That's just the nature of power. 822 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: It seeks to consolidate. Well, there's something happening now. And 823 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 1: like Manow talked about this, like she was like two 824 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 1: things about obstruction of justice are either people get caught 825 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: or people get away with it. And people risk their 826 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,000 Speaker 1: entire lives in their careers because they know at least 827 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 1: there's some chance of them getting away store And that's 828 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: what's happening now with all Well, there's never been big 829 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,800 Speaker 1: repercussions really, not for Watergate, not for not for end Contra, 830 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: not for Nicaragua, none of these just not a bridge gate, 831 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: but ben Ghazi, Oh, let's keep talking about that. That's 832 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: because the right tends to dominate the conversation because because 833 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: they're very loud, and they've got the money and the 834 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: power and the and the airspace to do it. And 835 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: also the left in the center is not that mean spirit, 836 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: They are not that's that's it's it's who you are 837 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: that makes you be, how you gravitate. It's neuroscience, it's 838 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: it's it's not even always about issues, especially for the right. 839 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: It's not about issues at all, because there are no issues. 840 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: It's it's limbic brain, neuroscience, cruelty, anxiety, fear, you know, 841 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: or money grab whatever it is. There's the cynics and 842 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: the suckers. The cynics are at the top using the 843 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 1: dumb dums as a hammer, and then the dumb dums 844 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,399 Speaker 1: at the bottom. Thing they're going to get what they want. 845 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 1: And also there's some people of color and the gaze 846 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: will go away. It is a thing because it is 847 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: just all like, it's all emotion. It's all emotional, but 848 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: it's all everything else is informed by that emotion of 849 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: it's frontal lope to and it's my it's myopic. And 850 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 1: because and it's easier right if you're a right winger, 851 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: you get to claim the moral high ground. You don't 852 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: have to care about anything, you don't have to do anything, 853 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: you don't have to sacrifice anything, got to recycle. I 854 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: don't want to pay my taxes and I always feel like, 855 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: do you like driving on this road? Do you go 856 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 1: to an airport? Guess what your taxes? And I don't 857 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 1: want my taxes going to plan parent hunt. Well, first 858 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: of all, because of the High Amendment, they really don't. 859 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: So you wants on every dollar to go to the 860 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: military industrial complex. Is that you would prefer that this 861 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, But that would require 862 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: unpacking and thinking So it's much much easier to be 863 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: on the right because you get to pretend that you've 864 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 1: got the you know, the flag and Jesus whatever the 865 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: heck um. Yeah, but you get to coast, but you 866 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: will it does bite you and they you still have 867 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,759 Speaker 1: to breathe dirty air. You still have to drink water. Yeah, 868 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,399 Speaker 1: you still have to go on a bridge that hasn't 869 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: been serviced for eight hundred years, or amtrack that has antebellum, uh, 870 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, infrastructure, all of these things. They still have 871 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,920 Speaker 1: to do that too. So what are you thinking in 872 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: terms of who are the strong leaders? Like I would 873 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: just like to hear from you who you're excited about 874 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: if anybody, Well, I really enjoyed Kennedy's rebuttal and Elizabeth Warren. 875 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,800 Speaker 1: There's a lot of good Democrats maximums and many many 876 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: of the great Democrats. You'll see on C Span two 877 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: on the floor fighting a good fight. They don't get 878 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: a lot of major air time. But the thing is, 879 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: none of that matters until we uh undo what's been 880 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: done with jerrymandering and the Voting Rights Act and the 881 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: tampering of software. Nothing will change until that is addressed. 882 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 1: All of that's being appealed up to the Supreme Court. 883 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,240 Speaker 1: And that's just like the Supreme Court is hopefully, hopefully 884 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: somebody will do the right thing. I mean, there's some 885 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: decent judges, but for the most part it's been packed 886 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,280 Speaker 1: with with um you know a lot of these people 887 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,280 Speaker 1: that are on the side of the bullies, right, But 888 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: because I think was in North Carolina overturned or something 889 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: North Carlina, again, they are not well represented. The people 890 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: of North Carolina are not in any way well represented 891 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: by the handful of assholes represented in the same way 892 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: that the right wing and the Knesset in Israel dominates. 893 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: The right wing of our government dominates. Does not represent us. 894 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: But it is easy And also Brexit doesn't represent England. 895 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: But it's easy to see why people go, what a 896 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: bunch of assholes. And also Fox News, unfortunately, thanks to Murdoch, 897 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,959 Speaker 1: goes all over the world and they see Fox News, 898 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: so you can understand why I'd go, what's wrong with them? Yeah, 899 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 1: And and they don't realize unless they go outside of that. 900 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: But also if you only saw the Brexit people and 901 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: the and the Theresa May people in the and and 902 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 1: the you Kip in England, you'd go what a bunch 903 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: of assholes. Um, Every country in every era has these problems, 904 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: and until human nature changes, this is not going to 905 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: change so well, I mean, but luckily we do make more. 906 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean time does go on, I mean, progress does. 907 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: That's why they have to I don't know if it's 908 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 1: consolation that they have to steal the elections to win them. 909 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? You know that's a comfort to know, 910 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,760 Speaker 1: but it's not really. I mean, like, yeah, the moral 911 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 1: arc bends, not linearly, not even well, there is no 912 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: moral universe doesn't tilt towards anything. It's neutral at best. 913 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: But there when people talk about universe tilts towards justice, 914 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it's and also it 915 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 1: doesn't take requests. It's not yours, it's not your, it's 916 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: not Alexa's. It's just stop. That's narcissism to me, Like 917 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 1: the University verse, it's it's there, it's it's it's not. 918 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 1: It doesn't hear you, it's not going to speak back 919 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 1: to you. And if it tilted towards justice, history would 920 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 1: be a very very different thing. We should say it 921 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: is rule number culture. The universe is not Alexa. Although 922 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: what you're saying about we just have to point that 923 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: up as it as a rule. We have to just 924 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,839 Speaker 1: immortalize that. What you're saying about the toothpaste not being 925 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: able to go back into the tube. After the sixties 926 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: and the early seventies were people don't remember that, having 927 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,959 Speaker 1: Ben cognizant in school at that time. They were very 928 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 1: very you know, the early seventies were even more so 929 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: in many many ways. And Carter was a great, great president. 930 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: Now the story that's been told since because they have to, 931 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: is that he was the worst. Because they can't have 932 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,439 Speaker 1: a person like Carter and his and the first Lady 933 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: Rosalind who are still building homes for habitats. They're authentically 934 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: trying to make a better world. That's why Republicans have 935 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 1: to tower and feather them and pretend. And by the way, Reagan, 936 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,879 Speaker 1: in cahoots with Kissinger, kept the hostages hostage until after 937 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: the election. This is the kind of person that you're 938 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,319 Speaker 1: talking about to make Carter look bad and to and 939 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,440 Speaker 1: I do we know we wanted to land slide. I 940 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,279 Speaker 1: don't trust that. And you know our press is very 941 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,400 Speaker 1: fast to call out other countries. They're in a second 942 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,799 Speaker 1: stolen election, stole election. Yet here you bring it up 943 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,399 Speaker 1: and then you're seen as a paria. First of all, 944 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,680 Speaker 1: whenever I go to Atlanta, I cry because there's there's 945 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,320 Speaker 1: there's a big sort of banner that you know, honors 946 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter and as well should be just the best man. 947 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,280 Speaker 1: And if you go to his Presidential library in Georgia, 948 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: it's the most beautiful building in the world. They played 949 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,360 Speaker 1: the sweetest little video about him and Rosa Rosalind Rosalind 950 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: Rosalind just about the peanut farm and everything and oh 951 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 1: my god, Jimmy Carter's about it. Well you should hear it. 952 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:48,720 Speaker 1: They make it very easy if you hear um Charles 953 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 1: Crouthamer or Handy or any of these guys, or Bill 954 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 1: Crystal or um any Fox, any any fox. And then 955 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: the ones that are considered the smarter one. Wait, what 956 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,840 Speaker 1: about Smith? Now Smith, he has his moments because of 957 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 1: his his personal still and if you hear some of 958 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 1: the usual suspects castigating disparaging person, then you know that 959 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: you should be on that person's side in the same 960 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,399 Speaker 1: way the way and Bush and Reagan, and they name 961 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: things the Clear Skies Initiative. Well, you better watch your back. 962 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,399 Speaker 1: Birds and anything of this guy. You know, if it's 963 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: called that, everything's yes. So they make it actually quite simple, 964 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,720 Speaker 1: everything is the opposite, and that it's branded. Because also 965 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 1: they have no respect for their base who they're talking to, 966 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: because you can't respect people in lie to them that way. 967 00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 1: With Fox News, Roger Roger Els who was there were 968 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: none of those guys now having been on Fox a 969 00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 1: number of times, which is a fool's errand you you 970 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: see that there's a divide between, uh, those that know 971 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 1: they're lying and those that don't. I don't know which 972 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: is worse. There's some that are very clearly understanding what 973 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 1: their role is and they know that they're lying. Then 974 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 1: there's some that you meet their handed eat Brian Kill 975 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: meet some of the Fox they are they have dumb dumbs. 976 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: They are the high school bully, and they also aren't 977 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 1: real political animals. They don't they don't do their homeworker, 978 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,200 Speaker 1: They read off telemeter. Then there's like Bill O'Reilly who 979 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,280 Speaker 1: in their early days anyway, Greta van Susteren, Tucker Carlson, 980 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: they know they're lying. They're just getting paid their opportunities. 981 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,879 Speaker 1: I don't know which is worse. There, what's both bad. 982 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: What's your take on Megan Kelly. I don't like her. 983 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't like her. You know what, daylight dollar short, 984 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,719 Speaker 1: true colors shine through because you hear about this Jane 985 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,120 Speaker 1: Fonda stuff. She's she's completely anybody who's got a problem 986 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: still like my father still refers to as Hannai Jane. 987 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,840 Speaker 1: The man is baby. He is won't let it go 988 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,239 Speaker 1: and his whole life and it shouldn't be because he 989 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,360 Speaker 1: is the child his first generation, raised poor in the Bronx, 990 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,360 Speaker 1: first to get past the eighth grade, and wanted to 991 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 1: be the opposite of his family, you know what I mean. 992 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 1: And he at college was a young Republican and has 993 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: never let it go because now at this point, and 994 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 1: he's very religious, but he's a very nice guy, and 995 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: he's very bright. He's just wrong on so many things. 996 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 1: But now and he doesn't like Fox, he doesn't like Trump. 997 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 1: He's not one of those. But he is a hardcore Republican, 998 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,760 Speaker 1: there's no and he has elevated Clinton bashing or distaste 999 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,680 Speaker 1: to a philosophy. I don't know why. It's just the 1000 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,640 Speaker 1: way it is, um but to un to pull it 1001 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,880 Speaker 1: that thread now he'd have to rethink every every everything 1002 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:58,560 Speaker 1: that he has built his ideology, it's in there. But 1003 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: he's actually a very nice guy. But in the aggregate 1004 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: out there that they out there, although he is in retirement, 1005 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,480 Speaker 1: he does nothing but volunteer. He meals on wheels, the 1006 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 1: Big Grandpa program for reading all of these things. But 1007 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 1: he still has a they and also he thinks, uh 1008 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: because Santas and this guy wacky elaborate like he well, 1009 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,600 Speaker 1: are you Obama a liberal? Are you kidding me? Obama 1010 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,800 Speaker 1: is a Republican if nothing else. I mean, I am 1011 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 1: a fan of Barack Obama. But he was a conservative 1012 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,160 Speaker 1: of the old school, and he was far too conciliatory. 1013 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: Makes no sense why he would ever think there could 1014 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 1: be bipartisanship. When they set out loud, we will do 1015 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: everything we can to stand against this man. That there 1016 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,960 Speaker 1: is no reason in the world to try and and 1017 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,120 Speaker 1: curry favor with people who will never never accept. Yeah, 1018 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,040 Speaker 1: they were upfront about going as low as possible, and 1019 00:58:54,120 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: they certainly did. And he always was so parsing his 1020 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 1: words so much, which was and you know what, he 1021 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: had nothing but support. He had people running through the streets. 1022 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,280 Speaker 1: That's when does that happen? And and and yet still 1023 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,160 Speaker 1: to have Rick Warren at the inauguration was the first 1024 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: thing where you go, Now I feel sick. It's starting. 1025 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,080 Speaker 1: The conciliatory nonsense is starting. He actually thinks that he 1026 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,760 Speaker 1: can build a bridge, or he's secretly more conservative than 1027 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: than we know. But and when that guy said did 1028 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,560 Speaker 1: you lie at the State of the Union? Oh might 1029 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 1: he might as well a said you lie, boy? You 1030 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, if you don't understand how 1031 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: racist the Republican Party has become of the last thirty years, um, 1032 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,280 Speaker 1: then then you're either a liar or stupid or you 1033 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,880 Speaker 1: don't care because you know what. The whole thing about 1034 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: him thinking that he can build a bridge to the 1035 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 1: other side is just made so much worse by the 1036 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: fact that that's never happened. The reverse of that has 1037 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 1: never happened in the last Oh democrats always are willing, 1038 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 1: always are willing, and yet their pain is ones who 1039 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: are not. Because that's what makes them democrats. They are 1040 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,959 Speaker 1: a different animal than a Republican, especially today, a modern 1041 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,880 Speaker 1: day Republican. I don't know what you would call it. No, 1042 01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: I don't know a nihilists. Actually, that gives nihilism a 1043 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 1: bad name. I'm not even gonna do that nihil Nihilism 1044 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: is often misunderstood, but they are. They are. They're like 1045 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: proto fascists. But you can't even use the word fascists 1046 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 1: anymore because people just over that. No, they are opportunists, 1047 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: craven um victims. I mean, I think in any possition 1048 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: I want they know. They know, and in the same 1049 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,440 Speaker 1: way that Bill Buckley knew there was no liberal media bias. 1050 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,560 Speaker 1: But you say it enough and you know that they're 1051 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: going to bend over backwards to try and not be 1052 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so NPR will give 1053 01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 1: a harder time to Elizabeth Warren than they will to 1054 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: Kelly And because we don't want to show why. You know, 1055 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,560 Speaker 1: if you're going to consider liberal with the truth and 1056 01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 1: with kindness and with progress, take it. Take the label. 1057 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: It is not a dirty word. That's why I had it. 1058 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,640 Speaker 1: When I got the job at Air America, I had 1059 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: liberal tattooed arm. And that's not like an I cool. 1060 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,439 Speaker 1: It's just to say it's not a dirty word. Should 1061 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 1: be embraced. I don't want to and progressive is fine 1062 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,959 Speaker 1: or whatever. But even at the registision they said maybe 1063 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,640 Speaker 1: we shouldn't say liberal, and I was like, I am 1064 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,360 Speaker 1: absolutely saying liberal. It has a grand tradition of being 1065 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,200 Speaker 1: the reason we make any progress. And I feel like, 1066 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 1: but even in high school I grew up on Long Island, 1067 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,600 Speaker 1: I was scared to say it was liberal. I thought. 1068 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: I thought, like the easy thing is saying like, well, 1069 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,080 Speaker 1: if I say I'm liberal, They're gonna know I'm gay 1070 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,600 Speaker 1: and I'm a friend. That's brainwashing, and that's down. Liberal 1071 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,040 Speaker 1: is something to be proud of. Conservative is not at 1072 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 1: this point, And saying your Republican, as I said, you 1073 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 1: should keep that to yourself. Or if you voted for bregit, 1074 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,720 Speaker 1: don't say it out loud. Man. That's like you don't 1075 01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:00,040 Speaker 1: rush limba your friends. I remember that because I you 1076 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 1: watch Real Housewives and I'm the New York Andy Cohen 1077 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,560 Speaker 1: fully asked them, so who voted for who? And the 1078 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,960 Speaker 1: ones that vote for Hillary Clinton are raising their hands proudly, 1079 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,640 Speaker 1: and then the rest of them would rather keep it private, 1080 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,160 Speaker 1: which tells you why do you want to keep it right? 1081 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,640 Speaker 1: So you know that it's bad, So then why did 1082 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,880 Speaker 1: you do it? Because they know it's about their money, right, 1083 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,840 Speaker 1: but it isn't. They're gaining nothing, but they will gain 1084 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,720 Speaker 1: nothing by this. Everybody thinks they're going to somehow make 1085 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,800 Speaker 1: money through this dysfunctional government. That is not the case, 1086 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,720 Speaker 1: and it's all gonna collapse, you know what I mean, 1087 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,959 Speaker 1: There is no they're there with that money. He doesn't 1088 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 1: even manage his bankrupt three times over. It's horrible and 1089 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,120 Speaker 1: won't really exist tax for terms for many, many reasons. 1090 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:50,520 Speaker 1: But it's just it's just I think Russian money. It's 1091 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,280 Speaker 1: just it's just silly. And if you like I said that, 1092 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,920 Speaker 1: decent when people trying to say, you know, the Tea 1093 01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: Party just no racist voters, not decent, hard working. When 1094 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,360 Speaker 1: I was banned from MSNBC, I was on Keith Overman 1095 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Show and I was banned from NCBC, although oddly they 1096 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,400 Speaker 1: started calling me after Al Franklin was accused to come 1097 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,920 Speaker 1: on and talk about it, and I was like, you 1098 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,040 Speaker 1: guys can go fun yourself. No, no, that is you 1099 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 1: would banned me for being for what for? What was it? Was? It? Keith, who, 1100 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:26,520 Speaker 1: like Keith was was appalled, and then Keith left shortly after, 1101 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,280 Speaker 1: and then I became a regular on his new series 1102 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,880 Speaker 1: that he then left. I'm not the only one who's 1103 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: been banned for things like that. But um, I also 1104 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,960 Speaker 1: lost voiceover jobs after that because a faux controversy was 1105 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,880 Speaker 1: created by the and fake things. It wasn't really and 1106 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 1: the and the companies I was doing voice wouldn't have 1107 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,920 Speaker 1: even known. They're not watching that show. And but the 1108 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:58,520 Speaker 1: pretend we're gonna boycott and they also um like almost 1109 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,160 Speaker 1: like robo bomb it, you know what I mean. It's 1110 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 1: like the same five people creating tons of of fake outrage. 1111 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,840 Speaker 1: And uh. But then you know when you lose jobs 1112 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 1: over something like that, then you realize, oh, I probably 1113 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't be working with those people anyway. That's exactly they 1114 01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:18,720 Speaker 1: take issue with racist being called racist, then I probably 1115 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:24,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't be with those people. Um, before we move on, 1116 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,360 Speaker 1: i'd have to ask, and this is this is just 1117 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,880 Speaker 1: a very frivolous question because I wanted to ask this 1118 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,480 Speaker 1: for so long. Was the scene in What Hot American 1119 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: Summer where you had to find the phone in the 1120 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: infirmary shot in one take? Yes, we only had one 1121 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,760 Speaker 1: one chance to do it because because of the money, 1122 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean that the budget, they didn't have enough to 1123 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,720 Speaker 1: redo everything so much. Tomized to grant because I enjoyed 1124 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,760 Speaker 1: doing that with Joe, so much, and I loved screaming 1125 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,240 Speaker 1: running up and I had wished so much we could 1126 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,040 Speaker 1: keep that. I would have liked to have kept on, 1127 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,320 Speaker 1: kept on screaming and knocking things. So my favorite part 1128 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,240 Speaker 1: is when Joe is frightened by a lamp shade, yes, 1129 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,880 Speaker 1: and it punches it. And unfortunately in the liner notes 1130 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,080 Speaker 1: for this release of this Wet Hot Compendium, I said 1131 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,720 Speaker 1: he punched the phone, and I should have corrected that, 1132 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,240 Speaker 1: but I didn't feel like retexting David Wayne. But he 1133 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,240 Speaker 1: punched a lamp that and that was like in the 1134 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,200 Speaker 1: in the moment, but it makes me laugh so hard 1135 01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,080 Speaker 1: when you get started by the lamp shade and then 1136 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so funny. I guess so people 1137 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:37,479 Speaker 1: who are reading the liner. No, it's just it really 1138 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 1: is so incredible that cast and what the everyone went 1139 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 1: on to do, and like it's just crazy. That's it's 1140 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,200 Speaker 1: amazing that it was Bradley Cooper's first film and Polar's 1141 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:54,560 Speaker 1: first film. I think Elizabeth Bank's first film. I believe, Um, 1142 01:05:55,560 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 1: there's gotta be Christma actually was wasn't actor, but then 1143 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,080 Speaker 1: it became even more bigger. The level of fame achieved 1144 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,800 Speaker 1: by Rudd cooper Um and polar is one of those 1145 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 1: that's very rare for anybody. But then also David and 1146 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:23,479 Speaker 1: Michael trajectory like all all all states, because you're lucky 1147 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,280 Speaker 1: if one person makes it that high in the pantheon. 1148 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: But to have so many in that cast who went 1149 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:36,680 Speaker 1: on to become uber famous signature performers, Yeah, just that 1150 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,640 Speaker 1: just goes to show like that the curation that went 1151 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,680 Speaker 1: into that ensemble is just well. Also, we all mostly 1152 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:47,680 Speaker 1: knew each other the I had not met Chris Maloney 1153 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,800 Speaker 1: before that, but I but I knew of him amazing, 1154 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,960 Speaker 1: I can say it now. The biggest crush on Christmallow. 1155 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,160 Speaker 1: No good looking, like when he walks in the room, 1156 01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:08,600 Speaker 1: like you become not only attractive that way, but funny 1157 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: and nice and very very talented. And I used to 1158 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,480 Speaker 1: just go watch him do really with with pure lust. 1159 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,360 Speaker 1: And that's I'm not really like that, you know what 1160 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, it's not it's not about somebody's looks something, 1161 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,800 Speaker 1: but you if you make them funny, then it's like, 1162 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: now there's a power there. I don't even know what 1163 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,960 Speaker 1: to do, but he is he is like his body 1164 01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,360 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And usually I don't go for that kind 1165 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,080 Speaker 1: of shore. But in his case, that's a man. That's 1166 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:41,160 Speaker 1: a man's a manly man. Chris Malona also never forget 1167 01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,520 Speaker 1: that gay sex scene that was like totally pure and 1168 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,080 Speaker 1: a very great and like honestly very loving, like super 1169 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:55,440 Speaker 1: respects laughs for laughs, but like committed to the characters 1170 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,680 Speaker 1: and doing a great job. And also it's testament to 1171 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: both of their actings. Now everybody thinks Michael I and 1172 01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,160 Speaker 1: Black is gay, that's David Wayne Michael shoulder at Michael 1173 01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 1: and Black. They've been dealing with that since they were teenagers, 1174 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,240 Speaker 1: and they embrace it because they are secure and who 1175 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,160 Speaker 1: they are and it's not and they know that it's 1176 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,680 Speaker 1: not a criticism to be to be called that. But 1177 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,519 Speaker 1: Michael in Black that must have do you know he 1178 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,879 Speaker 1: told me so. I don't know whether he's joking, he claims, 1179 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,160 Speaker 1: and I'll take him at his word that when he 1180 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,960 Speaker 1: was a kid, his mom and her partner sat him 1181 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,760 Speaker 1: down and said, you know, you can come out to us. 1182 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,240 Speaker 1: He says that that happened. He was like, I'm not gay. 1183 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:39,160 Speaker 1: Two moms. He has dad, and then they divorced and 1184 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,720 Speaker 1: then he had two moms. And if he's telling me 1185 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,960 Speaker 1: the truth. I believe him. He said they sat him 1186 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,599 Speaker 1: down and said, you know, you could come out. Isn't 1187 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:54,000 Speaker 1: that hilarious? Moms, I'm not. And they're like, it seems 1188 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,280 Speaker 1: like a sketch from something that's pretty great, and it's 1189 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,120 Speaker 1: it's always the ones we have. We have these these 1190 01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,479 Speaker 1: straight male friends who are just just just the best 1191 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,960 Speaker 1: people in the world. You're like, we're often mistaken. There's 1192 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,599 Speaker 1: something they're just a good means that they're either nice 1193 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,200 Speaker 1: or British, right, because it's a fine line. It's a 1194 01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,040 Speaker 1: fine line with the euro actually the whole year, British, French, 1195 01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:28,880 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes Scandinavian Gay or just internationally. It's true. You're like, god, 1196 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:33,840 Speaker 1: everyone here is an option. But they style they've just 1197 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:47,200 Speaker 1: got a certain um um. Okay, so we should move 1198 01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: on to I don't think so, honey. Okay, this is 1199 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,120 Speaker 1: this is the moment where you take something We've done 1200 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,880 Speaker 1: a lot already, but this is more a concentrated one 1201 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,439 Speaker 1: minute on anything in pop culture, anything you want take 1202 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,280 Speaker 1: one minute to rail Again, it's very difficult for me 1203 01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,360 Speaker 1: to get to a point of singling with clarity, but 1204 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: you know what you do what you do. But if 1205 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,760 Speaker 1: I try to get into a minute. You can just 1206 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: stop me in a minute and maybe it'll be under 1207 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,479 Speaker 1: a minute. Okay, well we'll go first. I will expand. Okay, 1208 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: so um, I think I have a good one. Okay, great, 1209 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,679 Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. 1210 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,000 Speaker 1: As the time starts now, I don't think so honey. 1211 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 1: Fantasy movies with long ass titles like Fantastic Beast and 1212 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:30,840 Speaker 1: Where to Find Them and now this one, next one 1213 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,800 Speaker 1: is going to be called Fantastic Beast and Where to 1214 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,000 Speaker 1: Find Them in like the Secret of Dumbledore and also 1215 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,200 Speaker 1: how to Get Lose a Guy ten days. It's like, 1216 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,080 Speaker 1: simplify it. You want me to see this movie, call 1217 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,599 Speaker 1: it Dumbledore is gay. Second, I don't think so honey 1218 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,280 Speaker 1: on this topic, them saying, well, Dumbledore is not going 1219 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,280 Speaker 1: to be explicitly gay, but watch this space quote watch 1220 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,679 Speaker 1: this space. No, I've been watching this space. Dumbledore is gay, 1221 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,639 Speaker 1: and I also think he was an intense fuck. Here's 1222 01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,320 Speaker 1: my thing. If you don't want it to be gay, 1223 01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,759 Speaker 1: don't cast Jude Law, who is one of those straits 1224 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,719 Speaker 1: who gives you gay. We're seeing him as a psycho sexual, 1225 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,800 Speaker 1: gay young pope. I mean he's not gaying the thing, 1226 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,439 Speaker 1: but he might as well be. The man gives more 1227 01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,519 Speaker 1: phase than Naomi Campbell. Here's the deal. We are over it. 1228 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,400 Speaker 1: We want Dumbledore to be gay. I'm here watching the movie. 1229 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:17,800 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something about the first Fantastic Be 1230 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 1: Somewhere to Find That. It was more sexual than Call 1231 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,760 Speaker 1: Me by your Name. Doubledore is gay. Let's have him 1232 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,720 Speaker 1: be gay. Jude Laws playing him, he's gay? I don't 1233 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,360 Speaker 1: think so. And that's one minute wonderful that was. That 1234 01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,639 Speaker 1: was gorgeous, that was well constructed. That was a gay 1235 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,880 Speaker 1: art house film, Fantastic Bes Somewhere to Find Them? Did 1236 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,280 Speaker 1: you see that? I didn't. It was just just take 1237 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,520 Speaker 1: us at our word when there's just very artfully done homoroticism, 1238 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,599 Speaker 1: beautifully shot homo erotic scenes between Colin Farrell and Ezra Miller. 1239 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,960 Speaker 1: So isn't that true many films, especially in early cinema, 1240 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,400 Speaker 1: absolutely Lloyd closet. It's a hard getting back to the 1241 01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,960 Speaker 1: celluloid closet. But I'm upset with them because they have 1242 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp in the movie and it's you know what 1243 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,720 Speaker 1: taste in jewelry is not is not right for me? 1244 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,120 Speaker 1: And he's also just start to real choices in general 1245 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:02,920 Speaker 1: are not quite right for me. But it seems like 1246 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,000 Speaker 1: a very interesting person. Yeah, I didn't have gone to 1247 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,280 Speaker 1: a college radio college rock concert back when you were, 1248 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 1: back when you were a providence to start Startorically, he 1249 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,200 Speaker 1: did not inspire into music and stuff. He always has been, 1250 01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,160 Speaker 1: But I I don't know that we would have had 1251 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,040 Speaker 1: the same taste. I don't know that for sure. Sure, sure, sure, 1252 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,840 Speaker 1: but there you go. Okay, But anyway, look I'll probably 1253 01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,760 Speaker 1: go see sure, sure, but I just think let's move past. 1254 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,479 Speaker 1: Who's going to be the first character in one of 1255 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,360 Speaker 1: these big things to just be gay? You know what 1256 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean? Like, when is that going to happen? Like 1257 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,240 Speaker 1: Star Wars with the po Damn Ran like that, that character, 1258 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,400 Speaker 1: he's on the edge, and I feel like it's at 1259 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:44,920 Speaker 1: what point are we just going to have like a 1260 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,439 Speaker 1: major mainstream explicitly character but not even he's going to 1261 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,880 Speaker 1: take the risk. You don't even have to move the 1262 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,640 Speaker 1: dial that much. You just make him be like, just 1263 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,320 Speaker 1: just make him scoff and the fucking scene and then 1264 01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,640 Speaker 1: we'll get it. So I get what you're saying. I 1265 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,519 Speaker 1: have has there not been not in film, not in 1266 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,320 Speaker 1: like we're just talking about this. We on our last episode, 1267 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,439 Speaker 1: I said, there's not a gay character in this one thing, 1268 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,799 Speaker 1: and there literally has to be. It was Star Wars, 1269 01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I get like not wanting 1270 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:20,000 Speaker 1: to risk Star Wars, but like you take risks exactly. 1271 01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,479 Speaker 1: That's how I feel. And I'm like, you're telling me 1272 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,759 Speaker 1: in the galaxy, because it is a galaxy. That's actually 1273 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:31,680 Speaker 1: rule number right, rule number thirteen culture Star Wars. It's 1274 01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,479 Speaker 1: a galaxy, and in the galaxy there's not a gay 1275 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,599 Speaker 1: you know what, You're right. I don't know, honey. Maybe 1276 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:42,960 Speaker 1: there transcended that and the pans sexual pans sexual. They 1277 01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,200 Speaker 1: do say that Laura Dern's character in the extended canon 1278 01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:53,240 Speaker 1: is same sex oriented, and we didn't say that. Potentially, well, 1279 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if that was fan thick or not. God, 1280 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,240 Speaker 1: I got it, got it. But listen, give me something, 1281 01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,600 Speaker 1: tell me a bone films come on? All right, So 1282 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,559 Speaker 1: that is beautiful matting out a little bit. I don't 1283 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,479 Speaker 1: even know it's okay, it's back from all right, this 1284 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,320 Speaker 1: is bone yangs. I don't think so, honey. And as 1285 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,639 Speaker 1: time will begin now, I don't think so, honey. Food 1286 01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:17,760 Speaker 1: truck culture listen. It's it's ephemeral. It's the whole construct 1287 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,600 Speaker 1: of it is built on it not being available to 1288 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,479 Speaker 1: you at all times, which is fine, but just to 1289 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,960 Speaker 1: have to create this artificial scarcity around, Oh, the dumpling 1290 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,160 Speaker 1: truck's here, it's Thursday, and having a line of people, 1291 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,720 Speaker 1: this throng of people just clamoring for dumplings is just 1292 01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,519 Speaker 1: not what we not we We we've grown out of 1293 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,000 Speaker 1: this as a culture, haven't we. We've grown out of 1294 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,120 Speaker 1: first of all, eating from fucking styrofroam trays. I don't 1295 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,000 Speaker 1: think so, Sam, What am I supposed to do with this? 1296 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,640 Speaker 1: Throw this in the trash and and have that not 1297 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,880 Speaker 1: be a stain on my conscience? Oh my god, I 1298 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,880 Speaker 1: don't think so. Honey food truck culture for having food 1299 01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:02,720 Speaker 1: that is subpar coasts on novelty because you got it 1300 01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,640 Speaker 1: out of a fucking vehicle. I don't think you know what, 1301 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,640 Speaker 1: this is not a novelty In some countries. I go 1302 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,240 Speaker 1: to China, I get fucking delicious meals out of a 1303 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,759 Speaker 1: cart as well, doesn't cost me an I'm gonna fucking 1304 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,439 Speaker 1: leg to buy stuff out of a food I don't 1305 01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:24,880 Speaker 1: think so honey food trucks. That's all right, Um, pay, okay, 1306 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,080 Speaker 1: that's fine, I'll take it. Listen, Jane, are you ready 1307 01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,920 Speaker 1: for your I don't think something. I am so. This 1308 01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,240 Speaker 1: is Janine Garofflers. I don't think so, Honey, her time 1309 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,640 Speaker 1: starts now. I do not think so, my dear. Um. 1310 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,639 Speaker 1: I have a couple of things. One is the vocal 1311 01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,720 Speaker 1: fry Valley girls speak, and at least when I was 1312 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,120 Speaker 1: growing up, it was contained mostly to southern California. Moon 1313 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,840 Speaker 1: Zappa of course made it very, very famous, but it's 1314 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:54,120 Speaker 1: broken wide domestically internationally, and when I hear people who 1315 01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,080 Speaker 1: are far too old to be doing it's just one 1316 01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,040 Speaker 1: of those things that becomes it's an affectation that becomes, 1317 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:03,240 Speaker 1: unfortunately part of their way of communicating, and it's it's 1318 01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,920 Speaker 1: very annoying because it's not authentic. And also slang and 1319 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,559 Speaker 1: lingo when it's used by adults, especially on the Cooking Channel, 1320 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,280 Speaker 1: the Food Network. And also I believe Richard Lewis deserves 1321 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,920 Speaker 1: credit credit for on Steroids and from Hell Now. He 1322 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,400 Speaker 1: coined those phrases on Letterman in the eighties and they 1323 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,720 Speaker 1: are now part of everyone's lexicon. On steroids, First of all, 1324 01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,120 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be still saying it. But Richard Lewis deserves 1325 01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,040 Speaker 1: credit for for on Steroids and from Hell from Letterman 1326 01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,719 Speaker 1: from the Early Boom, and that's one minute, oh gorgeous, 1327 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:44,200 Speaker 1: gorgeously recovered he in his comedy routines, and they became 1328 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:46,559 Speaker 1: like why like a fire, you know what I mean? 1329 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:50,000 Speaker 1: And but when people still say on steroids on as, 1330 01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,639 Speaker 1: first of all, it's been done. Let's let's talk about 1331 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,840 Speaker 1: the food as an adult would. Um, you don't have 1332 01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,880 Speaker 1: to say that that cupcake. First of all, it's of 1333 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,840 Speaker 1: average size. Stopped tending. It's like, I can't say how 1334 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,720 Speaker 1: people are pretending food is large when it's really of 1335 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,599 Speaker 1: average to small size. I don't want to play along 1336 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:13,000 Speaker 1: with that. But but when you see adults speaking hashtag 1337 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,759 Speaker 1: worth it just speak speak speak it. Because I felt 1338 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,280 Speaker 1: like the hashtag thing literally couldn't last much longer than 1339 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,000 Speaker 1: when it first became a thing. I was like, okay, 1340 01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,400 Speaker 1: the hashtag thing, that's going to get filtered out, But no, 1341 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,439 Speaker 1: it's now becoming the world on every television, all kinds 1342 01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,280 Speaker 1: of slang and lingo. And I understand that's that's part 1343 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,559 Speaker 1: of of our linguisticy of our language. There's all kinds 1344 01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,519 Speaker 1: of slang that has stood the test of time from 1345 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,040 Speaker 1: Shakespeare on. I mean, Shakespeare is responsible for a great 1346 01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,200 Speaker 1: many things that we say, but some of the things 1347 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,080 Speaker 1: and also the way it's like, so I was like, 1348 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,680 Speaker 1: I didn't want to go and then be Ley like 1349 01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,560 Speaker 1: you go hear on the cell phones, because once you 1350 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,000 Speaker 1: over hear in name conversations on cell phones, you can't 1351 01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,800 Speaker 1: underhear them, you know, you just hear them. And adults 1352 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,800 Speaker 1: in business, you know they're real business. You can tell 1353 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,800 Speaker 1: because I said, we're on the same page and bla 1354 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,479 Speaker 1: at the end of the day. So that's how I 1355 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,040 Speaker 1: know they're in business. But they're speaking in that childlike 1356 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:15,240 Speaker 1: sing songy way male and female people thirty and over, 1357 01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,200 Speaker 1: and I just feel like that's not how you spoke, 1358 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, and you are bastardizing the Queen's English, and 1359 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,200 Speaker 1: I shan't have it. We love it, we love it. 1360 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,720 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's such a hard left turn mentally to 1361 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,680 Speaker 1: be like, wait, I'm gonna hashtag this out loud, like 1362 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:36,240 Speaker 1: what are you doing. It's no conversation going, don't don't 1363 01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:40,760 Speaker 1: punctuate it with this unnecessary like reduantantly. You are so 1364 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,720 Speaker 1: funny like when the person said something. And also I've 1365 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,720 Speaker 1: noticed a lot of younger people not gonna lie. It's 1366 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,919 Speaker 1: a thing. I'm not gonna lie. But then what follows 1367 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,519 Speaker 1: is the most innocuous statement. No one whatever doubt the 1368 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,280 Speaker 1: efficacy of It's like I'm not gonna lie love bottled water. 1369 01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:03,439 Speaker 1: It's the strangest it's and on house hunters to a 1370 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,799 Speaker 1: lot of that's what I'm talking about. That's what I have. Bonus. 1371 01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,160 Speaker 1: It's not a bonus room. First of all, it's it's 1372 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,519 Speaker 1: a room. Let's get that straight. But made a Romancaid ship. 1373 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:20,760 Speaker 1: I haven't all of these nonsense words that adults use, 1374 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,560 Speaker 1: especially like fun suburbanized, like when they get together, you 1375 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,599 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You see them h TV a lot. 1376 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,240 Speaker 1: It's their form of humor, I guess, and communication. But 1377 01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,280 Speaker 1: it's just like that's not how you speak, right. And 1378 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure when the chips are down, if there's an emergency, 1379 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,040 Speaker 1: if the houses, I doubt very much. When things are serious, 1380 01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:48,599 Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, grab that, grab tag 1381 01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,599 Speaker 1: over it. It's just yourself. So if you speak, if 1382 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,439 Speaker 1: you don't speak that way when you things are important 1383 01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,880 Speaker 1: to you, I feel like, just speak speak normally because 1384 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,639 Speaker 1: also it's it's more interesting to the listener, I find, 1385 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,320 Speaker 1: and for you to up your linguistic game. Just speak 1386 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,400 Speaker 1: and don't don't back off. I know a lot of 1387 01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,080 Speaker 1: young people, uh, I don't want to be vulnerable, and 1388 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,240 Speaker 1: that's part of it's like and I was all and 1389 01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,040 Speaker 1: they're like, and I know that's part of teenage. I 1390 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,120 Speaker 1: don't want to commit because I'll get embarrassed if they 1391 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,640 Speaker 1: make fun of me. So I do understand that they 1392 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,439 Speaker 1: might not know anything else, but I feel like, just 1393 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,760 Speaker 1: speak it, speak it and and and it's better for you. 1394 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:33,240 Speaker 1: It's better it And also there's many many very intelligent 1395 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,360 Speaker 1: people in my peer group of my life who speak 1396 01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,400 Speaker 1: unfortunately with a lot of slang with the vocal fry. Now, 1397 01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,760 Speaker 1: if I didn't know that they were as smart as 1398 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,599 Speaker 1: they are, and I'm not even talking about academics. I'm 1399 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,719 Speaker 1: talking about emotional intelligence, which can be more important sometimes 1400 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,120 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't know it, you know, by the way 1401 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,519 Speaker 1: they kind of communicate in a general way that it 1402 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,960 Speaker 1: surprises you that when they do form because it literally 1403 01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,599 Speaker 1: takes a while to get there. But because you've written 1404 01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,200 Speaker 1: that person off and I don't you know, what I mean, 1405 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,800 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that I don't write it because 1406 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm I like them and I'm warm, but I don't 1407 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,360 Speaker 1: understand the need to to speak in this manner especially 1408 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I'm among the oldest, but 1409 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,680 Speaker 1: you're forty eight years old. Why are you? Why are 1410 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,360 Speaker 1: you speaking like guy fiery or a child, which is 1411 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,760 Speaker 1: basically the same thing, pretty much like Guy fiery or 1412 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,599 Speaker 1: a child. Um. Well, wow, this has been such a delight. 1413 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you coming on, Thank you 1414 01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,640 Speaker 1: for being here. This has been an amazing episode. Now 1415 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,000 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I guess, like from where you're listening, 1416 01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,200 Speaker 1: we're probably going to get on Splash Mountain, right sure, 1417 01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,000 Speaker 1: just to let you guys know where we're at between 1418 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,760 Speaker 1: Space Mountain and Splash Mountain. We just took an hour 1419 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:48,800 Speaker 1: to petting on the lines. Anything could happen, but we 1420 01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,000 Speaker 1: probably just stopped a need to turkey like for an hour. 1421 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,479 Speaker 1: And it's very very warm. That there's the bathroom bricks, 1422 01:21:54,479 --> 01:22:00,560 Speaker 1: that there's crowds. You must consider variables, consider all as 1423 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:07,479 Speaker 1: actually aspirationally you will be hopefully and really getting getting 1424 01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,640 Speaker 1: our ultimate life on it. Of course, to use are 1425 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,560 Speaker 1: not that's more like an operate live your best that 1426 01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,240 Speaker 1: kind of thing, or your better angels or a little 1427 01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,439 Speaker 1: attle platitude or people love to get it on jewelery 1428 01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,920 Speaker 1: your t shirts. Sure, just somehow like that. It's going 1429 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,840 Speaker 1: to do it for well, I'd rather them have a 1430 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,559 Speaker 1: phrase or a saying on their necklace than their own name. 1431 01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:34,080 Speaker 1: Oh I actually the own name annam a state or 1432 01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:40,240 Speaker 1: or live love last. Both have to go for sure. 1433 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,400 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, thank you for listening. Thank you Janine 1434 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,760 Speaker 1: Gard already. Should we close it with a song? Yeah? 1435 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,679 Speaker 1: What song? Um? Let's do the theme to space Mountain. 1436 01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:58,600 Speaker 1: There is space and on that space, there is a 1437 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:04,680 Speaker 1: mountain for a showore and we found love on the 1438 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:13,960 Speaker 1: amundsend Bye dog. 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