Speaker 1: In today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, We've got
Speaker 1: pumpkin or Potato making its return.
Speaker 2: Fred, you excited? Yes, I am okay, wait to get
Speaker 2: them sweet potatoes.
Speaker 1: And then we got our Command Center Fantasy Podcast recap.
Speaker 1: Intern Caroline makes an appearance, and then Frogs don't wear
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Speaker 1: to the Command Center Podcast. I'm logan faulting here with
Speaker 1: Red Smoot and Santana Moss with the shades on inside today.
Speaker 2: How you feeling about that? Bro?
Speaker 3: It's cooler than cool.
Speaker 2: It's cooler than cool. You're always and Fred? How you doing? Man?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: You know your son have a game this week?
Speaker 5: Yes, healthy reserve just like your daddy. Right now, everybody
Speaker 5: in the house hurt. My hurt from drinking cows me
Speaker 5: like I still haven't learned. I'm like, I'm a guy
Speaker 5: that's never been allergic to anything, Like I have never
Speaker 5: had anything off limits. None I can do, but I'm
Speaker 5: learning now. I can't consume the milk drinking it. Wise,
Speaker 5: I could eat cake. I could if it's being in something,
Speaker 5: I could do it. But boy, I was I was
Speaker 5: looking like the dude off of Goonies like three days
Speaker 5: ago rock Yeah, I need it was bad, but so
Speaker 5: I'm learning to listen. Maybe I need to just drink
Speaker 5: fair feel. And Plus I had a milk addiction when
Speaker 5: I was young, so I was drinking about the gap.
Speaker 1: Then you both, man, I used to like drink a
Speaker 1: ton of milk. Yeah, so you're an injury reserve because
Speaker 1: the milk. Let's Yeah, let's get into something that you know,
Speaker 1: we don't really want to talk about, but we got
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna recap
Speaker 1: this New York Giants game. And I think it's important
Speaker 1: to say that we are not gonna be here kind
Speaker 1: of bashing on the team. We're gonna give honest, constructive feedback, right,
Speaker 1: And a lot of it comes from the idea that
Speaker 1: like when we played, like that's how you would do it.
Speaker 1: You come here, you coming on Monday, you take your lumps,
Speaker 1: you say how can I get better? And how can
Speaker 1: we apply that to the next opponent. And I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there right now, a
Speaker 1: lot of the guy guys on talk radio that are
Speaker 1: just going all in, and I don't think that's very
Speaker 1: productive because there's no, it's not.
Speaker 2: There's no why. And I'm a big wife boy.
Speaker 6: We've been in them shoes before, We've been to players
Speaker 6: that these people are talking about.
Speaker 3: So they don't normally know what's really going on.
Speaker 6: They just see the outcome of the game and they
Speaker 6: just want to say, Okay, I'm bashing everybody, any and
Speaker 6: everybody who didn't.
Speaker 3: Make a play, I'm gonna bash.
Speaker 5: And that's the thing about it, and that's what gives
Speaker 5: some of the local guys paralysis by over analysis. They
Speaker 5: think they know more than they do and they just
Speaker 5: looking at it on the surface and saying, oh, this guy,
Speaker 5: this guy.
Speaker 2: You don't know the.
Speaker 5: Game plan, you don't know the matchups, you don't understand football.
Speaker 5: And sometimes that makes me mad because I love to
Speaker 5: listen to everybody. It's entertaining, but when you ain't got nothing,
Speaker 5: like at the end of the day, it's easy. But
Speaker 5: any given Sunday, we can get beat. People thought the
Speaker 5: Buffalo Bills could not be beat. But you then the Patriots.
Speaker 5: The Patriots treat them like they ain't never played ball.
Speaker 5: For any given sunday in this league, you can.
Speaker 2: Get beat or you can beat somebody.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing about the league too, right,
Speaker 1: Like we're getting a little sidetracked. But to your point, Fred,
Speaker 1: like every we're a bunch of professionals, right, a bunch
Speaker 1: of a bunch of grown men with a lot of pride,
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches with a lot of and kids
Speaker 1: and mouse to feet. That's exactly right, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: find a way. You're gonna find a way to get better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like you have to get better because I
Speaker 1: get like, we can't just tolerate like I've been on
Speaker 1: bad teams. We've all been on bad teams, so you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't tolerate losing consistently. You're gonna try and get
Speaker 1: better each and every week, even if even if the
Speaker 1: product on the fields are very good.
Speaker 6: I think one of the things, and let me say this,
Speaker 6: I think one of the things that makes the area locally,
Speaker 6: you know, when it comes to the media so mad
Speaker 6: and disappointed because it's some of the things that we've
Speaker 6: been experiencing now too. Like when we played the game,
Speaker 6: we didn't understand why we got the riff or the
Speaker 6: you know, the flag from some of those folks. Sure,
Speaker 6: but now as sitting in these seats that we've been
Speaker 6: sitting in to watch it.
Speaker 3: We can't wrap our head around either.
Speaker 6: We like, bro, when it comes to just the players alone,
Speaker 6: you haven't seen nothing like this. When it comes to
Speaker 6: and you know, and for pound for pound, you feel
Speaker 6: like you should be in every game.
Speaker 3: You should be you should be in every game.
Speaker 6: And when you really want to be critical or technical,
Speaker 6: we have been in every game, and it all comes
Speaker 6: down to now, who's gonna make a mistake first or not,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. And I feel like we've
Speaker 6: seen our side, seeing the guys on our side make
Speaker 6: more mistakes, and that's causing them to be seen in
Speaker 6: this seat now to have to talk about some of
Speaker 6: these losses. So that's how I look at the game,
Speaker 6: and I look at it from a different lens man.
Speaker 6: When I played it, I couldn't understand it because I'm
Speaker 6: like man, I felt but.
Speaker 2: You was in the belly of the bees.
Speaker 6: Felt high about myself in my game, and I always
Speaker 6: looked at myself as being a superior guy rather I
Speaker 6: put up those numbers or not. And I looked at
Speaker 6: the guys next to me, You on this field with me,
Speaker 6: so obviously you that guy too. But I could never
Speaker 6: wrap my head around then why we was coming away
Speaker 6: the way we did as a whole.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But I see it differently now, and when I'm watching
Speaker 6: the games and I'm seeing some of these miscues, I
Speaker 6: understand why.
Speaker 1: So that's something that I think is really interesting because yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're you're in the moment and you think as
Speaker 1: a player, you're gonna win the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you trust the game plan.
Speaker 1: Like there's been a couple of times Mike Careerry like
Speaker 1: this is a work and that's like on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: But there's other times you're like, this is it and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's like it's zero to fourteen,
Speaker 1: and you're like.
Speaker 2: What happened? What happened?
Speaker 1: Like we felt really good about everything we put in
Speaker 1: this week. Practice was good, Meetings went well, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: like it can be really tough, and so let's just
Speaker 1: skirt start here, Fred like high level thoughts in the game,
Speaker 1: and we'll kind of get into it as we go
Speaker 1: through the show.
Speaker 5: Well, we can also tell the people, Me and you
Speaker 5: got an old dirty mattress rastling league in the meeting room, in.
Speaker 7: The production room, textaw Jim.
Speaker 5: Duggan versus co Kobe wearing there with a battle of
Speaker 5: the minds. You was heavy own feeling like the offense
Speaker 5: let the team down.
Speaker 2: I was heavy on the defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't think either one of those perspectives
Speaker 1: is entirely wrong, but I think there's there's layers to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's levity to it.
Speaker 3: Now, what was it that you felt defensively? Why?
Speaker 7: Well, because I just feel like they are the group.
Speaker 5: And we said, who was gonna anchor this team hold
Speaker 5: us to the ground until this offense find themselves.
Speaker 7: That's what we out when the year started.
Speaker 5: We're talking about a group that's been in the defense
Speaker 5: for four years. We're talking about the group that shows
Speaker 5: us week in and week out. Chase takes over game,
Speaker 5: Pain takes over game, Allen pakes over game. They have
Speaker 5: their spots, but never have they this year showed up
Speaker 5: and as a group taken over the game. And if
Speaker 5: you ever was gonna do it, if you were gonna say,
Speaker 5: we're gonna dominate this one from the first quarter to
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, hands down, it was gonna be this week.
Speaker 5: With a backup offensive line and four or five guys
Speaker 5: off the street, backup quarterback, which I was more fearful
Speaker 5: Tyrod than I was. Daniel Jones called that on this
Speaker 5: show Wide Receiver Group. I said, this is the week
Speaker 5: you dominate. Like Sam is eight games old. I'm only
Speaker 5: gonna put so much in his left and say you're
Speaker 5: responsible for it now because he has played so well
Speaker 5: in spots and led the team most to the way.
Speaker 5: Because if I had to pick and choose and say,
Speaker 5: who's been the reason we won this year, has it
Speaker 5: been the offense more than the defense or the defense
Speaker 5: more on the offense? I will give the Allen a
Speaker 5: slight edge right now. So that's where I'm att No,
Speaker 5: you're supposed to be here. They supposed to get better
Speaker 5: as the year go on and catch up with you.
Speaker 5: So that's what disappointed me, Tanna when it came to that.
Speaker 3: Don't feel you too, And I don't want to cut
Speaker 3: you in Logan.
Speaker 6: But the reason why I want to jump in because
Speaker 6: I remember coming in yesterday and I said what I said,
Speaker 6: not knowing that you and him might just went to
Speaker 6: that spat and I walked into a damn bussaw red
Speaker 6: were looking at me ready to argue.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I just sat down, I am.
Speaker 3: Here for this book. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But I was saying.
Speaker 6: The point I was trying to make is I felt that,
Speaker 6: regardless of what went on Sunday, before Sunday happened, we
Speaker 6: just go at least give up fourteen points. I feel
Speaker 6: like our defense, even when they playing their best, fourteen
Speaker 6: points should be giving up you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: if anybody gonna score that many points.
Speaker 3: All ye, they've been scoring thirty plus on our defense.
Speaker 3: But I feel like with this.
Speaker 6: Giant's offense, what I've saw with you know, with and
Speaker 6: without you know, Dane Jones, yeah, fourteen points should have
Speaker 6: been a given.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, if you know, and I
Speaker 3: feel like they did.
Speaker 6: They spotted fourteen the first half and didn't give them
Speaker 6: nothing in the second half.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, that's why I felt highly.
Speaker 6: I felt high about their performance, saying like, look anything
Speaker 6: you played on the same team I played on. Yeah,
Speaker 6: y'all used to tell us, man, hey, this was for
Speaker 6: bingo and got your rest.
Speaker 5: But our mindset was whatever it took, you know, That's
Speaker 5: how we played.
Speaker 7: If we knew we were playing against a team and.
Speaker 5: They defense was okay, they defense good A fellas the
Speaker 5: offense might not be have told us today it's up
Speaker 5: to us.
Speaker 7: Let's go out head and then you gotta realize, this
Speaker 7: is what I.
Speaker 5: Do know about defense. Most of special teams is made
Speaker 5: up of defensive players. So we got two chances to
Speaker 5: affect the game. We got we got defense and special teams.
Speaker 5: Y'all got offense to expect to get afact the game.
Speaker 5: I feel like the offense has chance to bear on
Speaker 5: the ending of the game. The defense does more than
Speaker 5: the offense, and I felt like we've been short.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think so I don't agree.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that entirely, like the sense that, like,
Speaker 1: in terms of season, what the expectation was, I totally
Speaker 1: agree with that the defense was supposed to be way ahead.
Speaker 1: We have a young quarterback, new offensive coordinator, all those things.
Speaker 1: But in the context of the game on Sunday, I
Speaker 1: look at and I say to myself, like, cause you know,
Speaker 1: I have to pull clips for the breakdown, new clips
Speaker 1: for coaches show, and when you go through and when
Speaker 1: you're pulling clips out, like sometimes it's hard, man, sometimes
Speaker 1: you're like, offensively, it was tough. I found like maybe
Speaker 1: five plays and you're like, Okay, these will work. But
Speaker 1: outside of that, on defense, I was in like the
Speaker 1: fifties of like numbers and you go back and watch them,
Speaker 1: and it was really hard for me to select down
Speaker 1: to kind of say, oh, this, this one's better than
Speaker 1: this one. Like I look at the defensive line, like
Speaker 1: Alan had two tackle for losses, pain At two tackle
Speaker 1: for losses and a force fumble. Right, Chase had a
Speaker 1: who bunch of pressures. Right, Montees was excellent in the
Speaker 1: run game. Right John Ridgeway showed up in a big
Speaker 1: dramatic way like that front, like almost every single play
Speaker 1: they had sixty eight defensive snaps was good from them, good,
Speaker 1: you know, and then there was some moments of great right,
Speaker 1: and so was it the dominance that we expected?
Speaker 2: I don't know. But then I look at and.
Speaker 1: I say, this team, this defensive line specifically has precedent
Speaker 1: of like when teams call a balanced game plan, they
Speaker 1: run the football, lot play action, keepers quick game, it
Speaker 1: really negates their effectiveness. And when you look around the league,
Speaker 1: like that's true of really good defensive lines. Right, that's
Speaker 1: and so so I guess what I was kind of
Speaker 1: calling attention to is like that was good, Saint Juice
Speaker 1: was good, Fuller was good in the back end right,
Speaker 1: and there was some stuff with Jamen in terms of coverage,
Speaker 1: but on the whole, like he did some good stuff too,
Speaker 1: like a year. Yeah, So like, so that's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I think outside of maybe four explosive plays.
Speaker 2: There you go, but they're going to four.
Speaker 1: But but so sixty So sixty I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 1: But hypothetically sixty four plays, sixty four plays were very
Speaker 1: good yep.
Speaker 6: So is that the blueprint to kind of keep on
Speaker 6: defense at bait?
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. So, like, this is my
Speaker 1: point is that when you can manage the game flow
Speaker 1: like the Giants did and say we're gonna never depart
Speaker 1: from our offense, we're never gonna have to get outside
Speaker 1: of basically like a forty five of fifty five split
Speaker 1: in terms.
Speaker 2: Of rush the pass.
Speaker 1: So what I'm going to tell you is I think
Speaker 1: the offense dictates that more because the second we get up,
Speaker 1: like imagine if the score was fourteen to zero and
Speaker 1: the Giants gotta throw the ball and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we got to get eligibles out.
Speaker 2: We can't have Chip Hill.
Speaker 1: And now imagine that defensive line and imagine Tyrod Taylor
Speaker 1: just getting eight back there. And so that's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to me. The offense went three and out and
Speaker 1: they basically ran third down in the first half. I
Speaker 1: think they had They had five three and outs, one
Speaker 1: four and out in the first half. So if I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if we needed to dictate game flow offensively to let
Speaker 1: the defense be aggressive and let them eat, and so
Speaker 1: to tennis point, they scored fourteen points, I'm like, ideally
Speaker 1: you want zero, right in a perfect world, do you
Speaker 1: want zero? But like, it's it's offensive football in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. And I've said this on the podcast before,
Speaker 1: so much of the rule base is geared toward the offense.
Speaker 5: But it's also did lowest year in four years of
Speaker 5: the defensive touchdowns passing the ball.
Speaker 2: Defenses are catching up. They're catching up because now.
Speaker 5: They went from blitz very blitz happy to coverage happier. Like,
Speaker 5: so now they're in this being but don't break, but
Speaker 5: make plays force the quarterback to beat you. Now, when
Speaker 5: I play played with a young Patrick Ramsey at quarterback,
Speaker 5: our view on.
Speaker 2: Defense was different.
Speaker 5: We can ever get behind fourteen to z Row, we're
Speaker 5: not built like that, Like we got a guy learning,
Speaker 5: they got a guy on the second.
Speaker 6: Contract often to say we not built like that either.
Speaker 6: But sometime that stuff happens. And we've seen that more
Speaker 6: this year than we've seen any year. We've been playing
Speaker 6: from behind more games than we've been playing you know.
Speaker 5: And I said that the defense, not the offense, because
Speaker 5: my offense is my youth.
Speaker 6: But think about it, a great offense is almost makes
Speaker 6: the defense a great office integrate.
Speaker 1: Defense, so that what I would say is like they
Speaker 1: didn't score their first seven until the second quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so by that point we had had fourth rene outs.
Speaker 1: And I think if we just do anything offensively, anything
Speaker 1: at all, we got a six play drive, seven play drive,
Speaker 1: kick a field goal. I'm not even sure that happens
Speaker 1: quite honestly. I think the game flow feels totally different.
Speaker 1: I think offense a defense is much pressure. All those
Speaker 1: things factor in. So I'm not saying that you what
Speaker 1: you're saying, friends, one hundred percent correct. Like the expectation
Speaker 1: for the defense this year has been slightly disappointing, right
Speaker 1: because we thought they were going to be a top
Speaker 1: ten group, right, five top five group. Whatever it is, right,
Speaker 1: I will say year to the year, there's a huge
Speaker 1: regression in terms of defense efficiency based on strength of schedule.
Speaker 1: Schedule a little bit better this year aggression in terms
Speaker 1: of that category. The thing I'm a little disappointed in
Speaker 1: this game specifically, right is you knew that Ring Martineau is.
Speaker 2: Gonna come bring a ton of pressure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just seemed like we weren't prepared. It
Speaker 1: seemed like we weren't prepared. However, when you watch the film,
Speaker 1: different it was. It was prepared. We just didn't execute offense.
Speaker 5: And did go to differency is coming into this year,
Speaker 5: I'm expecting saying I'm not to execute all the time,
Speaker 5: but expecting him to go through learning curves. Ain't in
Speaker 5: on the job, and most people don't understand how hard
Speaker 5: that is. Like who taking up the slack for who?
Speaker 5: Like every team has that identity where oh right, it's
Speaker 5: gonna take them a little long to get right.
Speaker 7: We got to do it.
Speaker 5: For the beginning of the year, I felt like the
Speaker 5: offense have overdid their barons.
Speaker 6: Expecting Sam to have his his day, his daily You know,
Speaker 6: I guess you can call it ups and downs, but
Speaker 6: I also expect the guys that played in this league
Speaker 6: before to.
Speaker 3: Be that much sharper, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like I mean, I feel like I feel like when
Speaker 6: you have a when you when you're on the team,
Speaker 6: and we've all been somewhere.
Speaker 3: Where we had to carry somebody.
Speaker 6: We've all been somewhere where we had to like even
Speaker 6: in our households, you had to carry.
Speaker 3: You to the line, or your wife might have to
Speaker 3: carry you twice first.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So you understand that, Okay, if I'm carrying it, then
Speaker 6: that means I got to do much more out here
Speaker 6: to make sure that I can pay my bills and
Speaker 6: I can do all the other stuff we need to do.
Speaker 6: Same way in the game football game, if I feel
Speaker 6: like I have a young quarterback as a receiver, I
Speaker 6: gotta no matter.
Speaker 3: What ball you throw to me, I gotta stay on
Speaker 3: the morning to be open.
Speaker 6: I gotta make sure I bring it down because I
Speaker 6: want to boost his confidence.
Speaker 3: I want to boost you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have to do that much more to make
Speaker 6: sure that you know that seventy five percent of what
Speaker 6: we're going to get from him, it looks like eighty
Speaker 6: five to ninety percent. So that's how I feel when
Speaker 6: I'm watching us offensively. We know he's young enough to
Speaker 6: say it about that being him being young, that ain't
Speaker 6: the question no more, what can I do more at
Speaker 6: my position individually to make us better?
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that gets me is
Speaker 1: that it was in the game offensively, there were so
Speaker 1: many kind of physical and mental errors and with regards
Speaker 1: to the game plan that just made it non tenable.
Speaker 1: And even if you executed fifty percent efficiency, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not looking at the it's it's totally different.
Speaker 2: It's totally different and all. And I know what you
Speaker 2: mean because you hold a standard there.
Speaker 7: I totally I dig it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you said and we can run from the
Speaker 5: young poor because he is he by week tweet'll be
Speaker 5: he'll be a bitch.
Speaker 2: But also coordinator is a first year coordinator.
Speaker 1: So but like that's what like, So let me just
Speaker 1: let me just double click on this for a second.
Speaker 1: So like you look at the first drive right, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the exact sequence, but essentially it's
Speaker 1: a run, a pass and then but yeah, no, but
Speaker 1: then like it was it was basically like second and
Speaker 1: seven second and eight and then it's a sack and
Speaker 1: it's the left guard not picking up a protection or no,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's uh, it's Nick Gates losing a physical
Speaker 1: matchup against Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So then it's third and twenty two. You complete the
Speaker 1: ball to Logan Thomas, you punt the football whatever. Next
Speaker 1: drive you come out, you say, hey, we're gonna hit
Speaker 1: some quick game, right, get Sam settle in. He misses
Speaker 1: a five yard out, five yard hitch. Curtis sales that sucker, right,
Speaker 1: So that's so. So Nick Gates has one, Sam has one, right. Ye,
Speaker 1: next play is a run. It's against third and seven,
Speaker 1: I want to say, or yeah, third and seven. They
Speaker 1: run a little t T inside, so dexter Lawrence stunts left,
Speaker 1: Sadik goes down the chip. Leonard williams loops around. That's
Speaker 1: another sack. So so Gates has one, Dek has one.
Speaker 1: Sam has one. Right, next drive we come out, We
Speaker 1: complete the ball to Curtis Samuel on that little lightning route,
Speaker 1: the ten yard comeback on the outside where at max protection,
Speaker 1: backstays in tight ends, stays in no pressure. Great job, right,
Speaker 1: run the ball, get in this position and then on
Speaker 1: it's we getting empty, empty, empty backfield, right, and they
Speaker 1: check to a pressure. Look some Leno doesn't squeeze the
Speaker 1: protection quite correctly. Right, there's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: little bit of bleeding inside. Bates runs an out route,
Speaker 1: maybe a little slow, balls a little high, so Leno
Speaker 1: baits Sam have one.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I just that's that's nine plays and that's probably
Speaker 1: I mean, that's at least six six errors right there.
Speaker 2: On nine plays forced is a little bit of both.
Speaker 5: So what I'm saying, it's the defense kind of like
Speaker 5: we're gonna pick up on what y'all leaking on, and
Speaker 5: we're gonna do it. Because when I looked at their game,
Speaker 5: our office line was intact.
Speaker 2: I mean the deeds are starters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they offensive line was five guys physically off the couch,
Speaker 5: one guy that ain't played tackle since Flow Model TV.
Speaker 5: So I was looking at it and been like, the
Speaker 5: force era is gonna be from my defense plans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think when you look at what the
Speaker 1: Giants did again, and I think this is this is
Speaker 1: again where there's like a departure in philosophy, is there,
Speaker 1: Like we're going to lean in to run in the football,
Speaker 1: We're going to lean into stuff that's a little bit
Speaker 1: more conservative. We're gonna de leverage the offensive line big
Speaker 1: time because they knew they knew that was where they
Speaker 1: were a weak right. Tyrod made some plays off schedule,
Speaker 1: that's great, right, But I think that they just played
Speaker 1: a much more conservative game plan and they believe, they
Speaker 1: trusted they kind of what you're talking about. They trusted
Speaker 1: their defense, bise, right, and eventually they just kind of
Speaker 1: wore it down, wore it down. They played the field
Speaker 1: position in the game, they got the ball in that
Speaker 1: kind of fifty five yard area, you know, they won
Speaker 1: the field and then it's that it's a big chunk
Speaker 1: play and then it's the defense one. They get him
Speaker 1: in third and fifteen and it's a great backshoulder ball
Speaker 1: to Waller on that touchdown. So I think they in
Speaker 1: terms of that is what I thought we were gonna do, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we just didn't really do it. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where the frustration is is lean on the defense,
Speaker 1: but you got to be productive on offense. And I
Speaker 1: think if you're not playing Contramentary and you were talking
Speaker 1: about we talked about expectations for that for the offense
Speaker 1: or for the defense, and I'm with that, like they
Speaker 1: should be better, but also like they haven't been better,
Speaker 1: like the Tannis point. So if they're not better, like offensively,
Speaker 1: I need to call a game plan that helps's.
Speaker 2: It's the fact that we ain't gonna be the exploded that.
Speaker 1: Helps them and that helps us. And there's and I
Speaker 1: felt like in this game, the criticism was that Ebe
Speaker 1: didn't call that game, but when you go back and
Speaker 1: look at it, it was there's six man pros, there's
Speaker 1: a quick game, there's there's an attempt to run the football.
Speaker 2: Execution and Kyle's are two different.
Speaker 3: Things, and it all balls down to just what you
Speaker 3: saw a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Do your job.
Speaker 6: And I feel like as a player, man, I I've
Speaker 6: been him. I've been him plenty of time sitting there
Speaker 6: talking to the media and they asking me, you know,
Speaker 6: what's not being done, and it all balls down to
Speaker 6: me individually board the guys who out there with me.
Speaker 6: So that's what I want these guys to understand, man,
Speaker 6: Like you know, enough is enough when when you're gonna
Speaker 6: draw the line and the third and say, look, man,
Speaker 6: every man for theyself and guess what I'm holding. We're
Speaker 6: gonna hold each other accountable for for everything we do
Speaker 6: out there on the field.
Speaker 5: I think John Allen spoken in French and he's spoken
Speaker 5: in first time we've heard that.
Speaker 6: We heard a spataitude like that from Johnna before. It
Speaker 6: probably hasn't went national, like you know, showed his frustration
Speaker 6: and I understand it because when when you really look
Speaker 6: at it and when you watching the game, it's going
Speaker 6: too fast for you to see all this stuff the process.
Speaker 3: Then you get home and you turn that tape.
Speaker 5: On, take your emotion out of like you've got a.
Speaker 6: Guy every other play not doing his job or having
Speaker 6: a mishap, and that's the hardest thing to do on
Speaker 6: the road.
Speaker 3: It's hard to win in this.
Speaker 6: League period, and the penalties to penalties, mishaps and a
Speaker 6: Communsian game and you're having a young quarterback. It can't
Speaker 6: overcome all that stuff. One got a gift. So until
Speaker 6: we see one gift, then we're gonna be sitting there
Speaker 6: having these kind of discussions and I'm hoping we don't.
Speaker 5: Well until we to one of them stands up and
Speaker 5: say I'm the real slim shady, we ain't gonna know
Speaker 5: who leading the team because right now we don't know
Speaker 5: if it's the offense leader right now, it's Tris Way
Speaker 5: Tris Wait, five hundred yards.
Speaker 3: And punchs special team.
Speaker 7: Yeah, unbelievable than the black field goal.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is until one side say I'm
Speaker 5: the leader in twenty twenty three, let's fall in line,
Speaker 5: it's gonna mean.
Speaker 1: I think that's why I have a hard time with
Speaker 1: this game specifically. It is because I felt like the
Speaker 1: defense was the closest it's been to being like we
Speaker 1: are we are the guy, and then the offense just
Speaker 1: gave him nothing until the second half. And it looked
Speaker 1: good and they did some stuff, they tried it, but
Speaker 1: it's too late. Man, it's it's it's hard. And so fans,
Speaker 1: are we understand your frustration, Yes, you can tell we're frustrated. Yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so let's talk about some of the things that
Speaker 1: fans are really frustrated about. Okay, and in a in
Speaker 1: a you know, every unanimous return, everyone's excited about this segment.
Speaker 1: Pumpkin or Potatoes and Fred, why is this segment called this?
Speaker 5: Because I hate pumpkins, and I hate Jagger lanterns, and
Speaker 5: I love potatoes.
Speaker 2: But I love Halloween. You love sweet potatoes. I love
Speaker 2: sweet potatoes. Potato who don't like French fries?
Speaker 1: So pumpkins have no nutritional value? That as you said before, right,
Speaker 1: so zero not in form take right or right or
Speaker 1: pumpkin or sweet potatoes which are nutrient dense and layer
Speaker 1: delicious pies all that right.
Speaker 7: Yes, sweet potato fries.
Speaker 1: So the first take that I people have talked to
Speaker 1: me about, it's been in the comment section of our show,
Speaker 1: and if you please leave comments that helps us out.
Speaker 1: It helps us kind of answer questions is that Benjamin
Speaker 1: Saint Juice got cooked lies. And so again when I
Speaker 1: go through the place bred you and I we talked
Speaker 1: about this. Yesay Tanna, you were in there too. It's
Speaker 1: like that might have been the best game I've seen
Speaker 1: him play.
Speaker 7: Then we had what five six breakups?
Speaker 2: I think it was six past break Hey.
Speaker 5: First of all six breakups in the game for a
Speaker 5: dB should mean don't come this way.
Speaker 6: But we all know I played in the game before
Speaker 6: you played in plenty of games. I've had five catches
Speaker 6: ninety yards and dropped the big one.
Speaker 7: And you and you it shouldn't be on the feet.
Speaker 3: Only thing they saw with that drop.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean so at the end of the day, I'd
Speaker 3: be the first to tell you too. I came here
Speaker 3: too like Man.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 6: But when you really look at the game, like I said,
Speaker 6: we all had to, you realized Man had a great Yeah,
Speaker 6: but he gave up two explosive, too critical explosive plays.
Speaker 6: And that's kind of the tail of the ball game.
Speaker 5: And I think I think the fans are more frustrated
Speaker 5: that Saint Juice, the veteran, the Chills veteran, gave it
Speaker 5: up to the young rookie wide receiver who hadn't yet
Speaker 5: found his footing. And your young wide receiver, that's just
Speaker 5: like me going and I'm the five year guy and
Speaker 5: I'm finna checker. You Santana mouse fresh out of Miami
Speaker 5: one they got new Santana. I knew one route he
Speaker 5: could run fresh out of Miami and that was a
Speaker 5: gold round. And guess what I'm gonna make him run
Speaker 5: some modeled in there. I'm gonna play that high and
Speaker 5: tight alright with Jalen Highlight.
Speaker 2: Same type of guy.
Speaker 5: I haven't quite learned the route tree yet. Yeah, because
Speaker 5: you've seen him on the comeback, I mean, on the
Speaker 5: curl route he was.
Speaker 6: He was like, then to.
Speaker 1: Your point, Fred, like he was the So I went
Speaker 1: back and watched all their explosive pass plays, which was
Speaker 1: like ten, he's like half of them though, So like
Speaker 1: if they need explosive play, like that's where.
Speaker 2: They're gonna go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to your point, but uh yeah, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: gave up two explosive plays. But then there's a PPU
Speaker 1: in the end zone. Yeah, right, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: RPO that they're trying to hit in the end zone
Speaker 1: like on a drift and Saint Juice blankets that they
Speaker 1: can't throw the football.
Speaker 2: He had a couple on like hitches and slants.
Speaker 5: Oh no, great break showing his limp and.
Speaker 1: He was very quick and physical to diagnose stuff from
Speaker 1: the run game. So like, yeah, there were those two plays.
Speaker 1: And you said something yesterday, friend, I like you to
Speaker 1: elaborate on it is is that you don't really care
Speaker 1: about dv's getting beat deep all the time. It's like
Speaker 1: not like fans care about it. And it's important to
Speaker 1: the defense.
Speaker 5: Part of the game though, Yeah, but you're like just
Speaker 5: to say that, like it's certain points of the game
Speaker 5: you cannot run from right And if I'm a play aggressive,
Speaker 5: but she.
Speaker 2: Was playing aggressive.
Speaker 7: He was playing aggressive.
Speaker 5: I might give up a thirty yard fade route as
Speaker 5: long as I get to tackle long ain't ain't a
Speaker 5: fade route that I'm looking at his elbows and his
Speaker 5: last name still running. I'm fine with it. But you
Speaker 5: can't ask me to do both. You can't ask me
Speaker 5: to be aggressive and also take away everything. So the
Speaker 5: thing about it is, I respect when a guy give
Speaker 5: it up and get back up, because think about it, Saint,
Speaker 5: you just gave up their fade route, then come break
Speaker 5: the ball up. They try to fade them to the
Speaker 5: other side. Four by one, he breaks the ball up.
Speaker 7: I respect. That's what I respect because this is what we.
Speaker 2: Do know is a corner, and it keeps points off
Speaker 2: the board.
Speaker 5: The only conner that they never got beat is the
Speaker 5: coner that ain't never played.
Speaker 6: And it's speaking of being aggressive, I think when you
Speaker 6: really watch the game and you watch them explosive players
Speaker 6: them probably the only.
Speaker 3: Time he was as aggressive, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm one of what's going on in his head,
Speaker 6: like darn, you know what I mean? The one or
Speaker 6: two times I didn't put my hands on the guy
Speaker 6: with the time I let him get in the steps.
Speaker 5: On trusting your technique because on the other ones he
Speaker 5: putting hands on people and then he don't have the
Speaker 5: problem a getting beat. And you say he opened up
Speaker 5: the gate on that first fade rap and now it's
Speaker 5: about who the fastest, and he's not and he's not
Speaker 5: the fast quick he's bigger than fast, but so dead
Speaker 5: go on the two players you gave up, your technique
Speaker 5: was bad. On the eight players you made, your technique
Speaker 5: was tough, and they go to the in line that
Speaker 5: cornerback when you when you see I ain't doing right,
Speaker 5: that's when you attack me.
Speaker 1: And I think, to your point, Fred, like, yeah, there
Speaker 1: were times where he was pressing and he did great,
Speaker 1: but there's also times where he played off and I
Speaker 1: actually thought he did some great stuff there too. But
Speaker 1: to Tannis point, it's like when to use those techniques
Speaker 1: and how to maximize that. Because there was one uh
Speaker 1: on the one that was we saw we saw yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was a cover three cover No, it was single
Speaker 1: high safety man coverage. He gets hands on why the
Speaker 1: side and lets cam Crow get over the top of
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Perfect, perfect, perfect, So I just think like he had
Speaker 2: a really solid.
Speaker 1: There's there's a screen like where it's the receiver coming
Speaker 1: to blocker, but it's like full extra.
Speaker 7: He made so many plays that we could keep going
Speaker 7: about it.
Speaker 2: So is say, no, he wasn't fully cooked. Maybe he
Speaker 2: was likely.
Speaker 5: Baked because baked potatoes they keep the nutrients in it, the.
Speaker 7: Peels still on there.
Speaker 5: One quite fried one of French fry like one net.
Speaker 2: But did he get touched a little bit?
Speaker 7: He did get tested a little because it's potatoes against pumpkin.
Speaker 5: Nobody's deep fried for the holiday.
Speaker 2: But I say to say that, but I think when
Speaker 2: people say, oh, he got cooked.
Speaker 5: And like, no he didn't, I don't look at it
Speaker 5: like that. And you have to be a pro not
Speaker 5: to look like that because they're going out.
Speaker 2: The ie tics gave up.
Speaker 6: He gave him a couple of plays that probably I think,
Speaker 6: and I believe one or two of them they didn't
Speaker 6: even score, you know, so it wasn't that detrimental to
Speaker 6: the team.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think, like, I mean, honestly, one
Speaker 1: of the best games I've seen him play, like, even
Speaker 1: including those plays. So I'm like when people say got
Speaker 1: cooked him, like wow, because I think he you know,
Speaker 1: in pff. They had him at eighty two, yeah, which
Speaker 1: is which is pretty good, which is really really good.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't say he got cooked. Is probably
Speaker 1: a little extensive. But if you guys don't agree with us,
Speaker 1: go watch the film. Let us know what you think.
Speaker 1: I think we'll see what we're talking about. All right,
Speaker 1: wide receivers have get right games against us. This one
Speaker 1: is interesting because it sometimes does feel this way and
Speaker 1: I liked it. Tanna, what do you want you want
Speaker 1: to start this one? Do you want her to start
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 3: Freak has started because I have something to say. You
Speaker 3: know that's going on? Probably go away. He's talking about, Yeah, let's.
Speaker 5: See we go Yeah, in a way, kind of feels
Speaker 5: that way. He hadn't found his footing in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He does, but he's an explosive play guy, very.
Speaker 5: Explosive, but hadn't yet found that wigger room.
Speaker 2: Waller, so that let's talk about Waller.
Speaker 7: So like people thought he didn't like football no more.
Speaker 1: Honestly, honestly, I think the thing with Waller that because
Speaker 1: you said this, ty Rod at him just had a
Speaker 1: better connection.
Speaker 6: And I was afraid of it. And Daniel Jones for
Speaker 6: like the ball was coming everywhere to him and he couldn't.
Speaker 6: He wasn't settled with Daniel.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because Daniel don't know how to like your safety
Speaker 5: val you're tight end. Daniel Jones don't like to be safe.
Speaker 5: He like one read, two, read, and run. But sometimes
Speaker 5: took folks who are realizing. And I've been him.
Speaker 6: I've had a guy that had to catch passes from
Speaker 6: many different guys within the season. And you can just
Speaker 6: see when Tyrod throws the ball, it's like effortless. He's
Speaker 6: throwing it boom nowhere to God knowing how to put
Speaker 6: it on you. It seems like everything Daniel does is
Speaker 6: coming at you like a trainah, and it's all fast.
Speaker 3: It's not like and it's all scared letting you get
Speaker 3: to your spot.
Speaker 6: It's just putting it in the area and saying, hey,
Speaker 6: go get it, grab it for me, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean. So I'm watching him and he just seems uneasy.
Speaker 6: When Daniel throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: To well, like the one with Mail where he's like
Speaker 1: running the high crosser like first off, great protection plan
Speaker 1: right that leave both tight ends the tight.
Speaker 2: End in the back ship. But it's like a long
Speaker 2: chip like really guide him to like sometimes and lit
Speaker 2: it scratch itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, sometimes, like you've done chips before,
Speaker 1: it's like boom and you're out, or it's like you're
Speaker 1: just helping the tackle a little bit. This one was
Speaker 1: like two hands on, you're walking to the tackle. You
Speaker 1: got him, all right, I'm gonna go run my route now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so great protection plan because then on the inside,
Speaker 1: when you chip on both tackles, you can double team on.
Speaker 2: The one side of that, right, So great job, really
Speaker 2: good plan.
Speaker 1: But then on that one, because you have extra time,
Speaker 1: Mayo's running with him step for step. And the thing
Speaker 1: I love about this throw, it's exactly what you just said,
Speaker 1: Tyrod just easy takes a little beat and then puts
Speaker 1: it out and he's covered when he throws it, but
Speaker 1: he throws it to the grass. Yes, and Waller is
Speaker 1: faster than Mayo. Yeah, that's not a use breaking debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then just he just runs right under it. Easy
Speaker 1: catch right now, the one off schedule. He scrambles out
Speaker 1: of the pocket to his left after getting a pressure,
Speaker 1: so good job, d line. Yeah, and then throws it
Speaker 1: to Waller who's uncovering back the other way. So I
Speaker 1: feel like you as much as we're mad about the
Speaker 1: production that Waller had and Hiatt too, I think you
Speaker 1: got to give credit to Tyrod. Like I was not
Speaker 1: in the camp with you. I was like, I'd rather
Speaker 1: we disagreed on because I thought he wouldn't be ready
Speaker 1: to go. But then I went back and thought about it,
Speaker 1: and like he was a good starter in Buffalo, a
Speaker 1: good starter, and I think we saw that version of him,
Speaker 1: like the touchdown the Waller, Like you remember, we ran
Speaker 1: this concept. It's I can't say the name of the
Speaker 1: play because it's kind of profane, but it's like a
Speaker 1: option to mic go vertical.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a perfect throw man, And so he's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: the guy over the top of a little bit ain't
Speaker 6: gonna be able to put it over there because the
Speaker 6: guy could run.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna put it here. Yeah, And that's why
Speaker 3: I thought it was the guys he threw it. Man,
Speaker 3: you got it.
Speaker 6: You had you had the middle linebacker, you had the safety,
Speaker 6: and I don't know that was another safety or Olnna.
Speaker 2: It was a hook player. It was a hook player, hook.
Speaker 6: Player, but the damn tight end Waller he was in
Speaker 6: in between all three of those. Yeah, And the ball came,
Speaker 6: that's behind this guy here and he could just turn around.
Speaker 2: That's a soft in the zone. The head butler would
Speaker 2: get get it. He was there.
Speaker 6: Or if you throw it any any more tighter, then
Speaker 6: you got the linebacker getting it. He threw it perfectly
Speaker 6: where none of those guys can touch.
Speaker 1: And so in terms of receivers getting right, like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: they got right. But I also think he got better
Speaker 1: quarterback play. And there's no defense for a perfect throw.
Speaker 1: And I feel like there was a couple of those
Speaker 1: in this game where Tyrod was very in himself in
Speaker 1: his bag as we like to say, and made plays.
Speaker 2: So David Jones can't make that throw. He hasn't this
Speaker 2: year for sure.
Speaker 3: He finally to beat us with his leg somehow.
Speaker 5: And when you say, I see he was getting it
Speaker 5: on against Okay AJ Brown, he didn'et got it on
Speaker 5: against everybody.
Speaker 1: But again, but but again and a young guy like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's weird, like you had a tough matchup
Speaker 1: for a young player.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Like I.
Speaker 6: Just finna say, man, you know to what Fred and
Speaker 6: to what were talking about this topic. I just feel
Speaker 6: like we've been in situations where we've toyed with certain
Speaker 6: things defensively and it just haven't hit home. We haven't
Speaker 6: hit home with it, and it cost us to be
Speaker 6: where we're at right now. So once you once you're down,
Speaker 6: you know what people have to do to you, right yep?
Speaker 3: Keep you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And once somebody get it on you, you gonna see it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna keep it next week.
Speaker 6: That's why I wanted to talk about it last because
Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, we put it on tape once.
Speaker 3: That's the worst thing to do. In his NFL. This
Speaker 3: league is a copy cat lead.
Speaker 6: So now regardless of what you got going on back there,
Speaker 6: we're going to give everybody the business because the one
Speaker 6: thing we want to happen is the guys up front
Speaker 6: to get home.
Speaker 3: And I think we've been not hitting home more often
Speaker 3: than we.
Speaker 5: And kind of neglecting the guys in the back end.
Speaker 5: It seems to be the NFL trend to run more
Speaker 5: to man and to run protective shelves.
Speaker 2: So now I look at it.
Speaker 5: Whoever we played Aj Brown Top five receiving the League
Speaker 5: in my book, Stepan Diggs Top.
Speaker 2: Five Top five quarterbacks too.
Speaker 5: These are like so I'm looking at the people were playing,
Speaker 5: and I'm saying, my god, besides, uh, Kyle Pitts, I
Speaker 5: thought should have been balling year now Drake London, like
Speaker 5: these dudes got talent.
Speaker 6: And then and then he got quarterbacks that can you know,
Speaker 6: believe that can do things, you know, break that. So,
Speaker 6: I mean, that's another thing that people fail to realize,
Speaker 6: Like these guys get paid too, and it's hard to
Speaker 6: not allow a guy to do what he does if
Speaker 6: it's not affecting the game that much. Like I've probably
Speaker 6: seen one game that those guys getting off on the
Speaker 6: outside has and that's to me, the Chicago game.
Speaker 3: That guy just went went off.
Speaker 6: Dj Moore, he came back home and he had a
Speaker 6: he had a coming home party, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: he's from this area and he just had one of them.
Speaker 5: And then what you were saying, now, if I'm saying
Speaker 5: to you, the weakest received was we played all years
Speaker 5: Dj Moore and.
Speaker 1: Drake London the tangent your schedule, there's some good players
Speaker 1: in there for sure, all right, So that's that And
Speaker 1: so I guess that's kind of a that's.
Speaker 2: Kind of a that's kind of a sweet potato take.
Speaker 1: I think that's on, but I think there's layers to
Speaker 1: it that we kind of talked about there. All right,
Speaker 1: I hear this one probably the most of anything is
Speaker 1: run the ball more. You got to run the ball more.
Speaker 1: And I'll start with this one. I think, yes, you
Speaker 1: should run the ball more, but they're but it's not
Speaker 1: even that, Like it's just about being afishing offensively. Like
Speaker 1: we've said that before in this show. You got to
Speaker 1: be efficient offensively, and right now, our run game is
Speaker 1: not efficient. We're not efficient, and we are more efficient
Speaker 1: in the second half. We find exposive plays in the
Speaker 1: second half of games, we kind of throw our way
Speaker 1: into a good running game. But I think, like if
Speaker 1: for fans to say we got to run the ball more,
Speaker 1: we have to cultivate a more nuanced rushing approach, right
Speaker 1: creating angles to the second level for our offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: finding ways to crack and pick and do different things
Speaker 1: to make more advantageous matchups for the offensive line and
Speaker 1: for the blocking surface. And that is not easy to do,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's a feature of this offense.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. If you're throwing the ball with the
Speaker 1: efficiency that.
Speaker 2: We don't have. What we call short run substitutes.
Speaker 5: When you run a game is not clicking on our sealis,
Speaker 5: you've got short run substitutes.
Speaker 2: Quick screen. Yeah, we call quick screen game short run.
Speaker 3: We do actually have those that's been not run game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying, so you go to the quick
Speaker 5: screen game, you go to the draw, you go to
Speaker 5: these plays that open up only because of the way
Speaker 5: that they are run un They run to let the
Speaker 5: defensive line in a screenplay with the back, let them in,
Speaker 5: a drought play, let them in. Like so we're not
Speaker 5: doing the alternatives good, and we're not doing the the
Speaker 5: first level of running good.
Speaker 7: I think we got to miss it all together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely.
Speaker 1: It feels very like when I watch it, and again
Speaker 1: I have to talk to somebody here, but it feels
Speaker 1: like you run counter, you run tight zone, you run duo,
Speaker 1: and that's hard to do. Like that's what Philly does
Speaker 1: and they have the best line in football, and that's
Speaker 1: hard for them to do.
Speaker 3: I think also too, if you watch some of the
Speaker 3: games where we.
Speaker 2: Have and you run a lot out of sid zone.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think some of.
Speaker 6: The games where we had success run the ball, it
Speaker 6: was it was about the rhythm of the game. It's
Speaker 6: about the flow of So if we move in the
Speaker 6: pocket doing some of the things offensively with our passing game,
Speaker 6: that opens up those lanes to run now, to run
Speaker 6: now now, Now they're not looking at down and distance saying, okay,
Speaker 6: I know it's gonna be a run right now. You
Speaker 6: know they just had an incomplete pass on first down.
Speaker 3: They're gonna run right now.
Speaker 6: Because some of these games I watched, you know, a
Speaker 6: g have a couple of big holes, be rob have
Speaker 6: a couple of good runs.
Speaker 3: It's because of the flow of the offense.
Speaker 6: We was moving the ball down field and bam, we
Speaker 6: hit them with a second down run or a first
Speaker 6: down run or third down unexpected. Because we had third
Speaker 6: and short, we was able to run and get you know,
Speaker 6: you know, twenty yards out of that carry or something
Speaker 6: like that. So to me, I believe just how we
Speaker 6: watched the Giants like find a way to get a
Speaker 6: rhythm and and pick us part, you know, pick us
Speaker 6: apart slowly with certain certain plays. We haven't had that
Speaker 6: enough to rely on or run, and when we see it,
Speaker 6: it's almost seemed like it's forced, you know, because I'm
Speaker 6: seeing too many of us banging into each other when
Speaker 6: we do run. And we thought going into the season
Speaker 6: that that's what our officer.
Speaker 3: Line is going to be known for. They can get today.
Speaker 6: They are better run protectors than they are you know,
Speaker 6: pass protector, you know what I mean. So they already
Speaker 6: they are better run blockers than they are pass protecting.
Speaker 6: They're getting second level with the run block. And though,
Speaker 6: because I'm seeing a lot of backs running to a
Speaker 6: lot of.
Speaker 1: Back Yeah, that's the point though, I think, is like
Speaker 1: when you see backs running into backs, it's because you've
Speaker 1: got these double teams. And this is like a little
Speaker 1: bit nerdy, so'll stick with me for one second. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So let's say we got a center guard combination. We're
Speaker 1: double teaming a shade, so someone in between the center
Speaker 1: and guard, and we're double teaming to the offensive right.
Speaker 1: If I'm on that double team, i am at a
Speaker 1: bad angle to block that guy from a blocking stamdpoint
Speaker 1: I want to block, and we're running to the right,
Speaker 1: I want to block back away from the run and
Speaker 1: go to the guy who's to the guy who's running
Speaker 1: across the formation. I want to go vertically and double
Speaker 1: back right because it creates seams right, because if there's
Speaker 1: a shade, there's a five technique guy outside the tackle,
Speaker 1: he's gonna block him out. Vertical double team block we
Speaker 1: got a nice crease in between the guard and that.
Speaker 2: I can pull somebody if I want.
Speaker 1: To leave right and so right now, when you run
Speaker 1: these tight zones, when you run duo, tight zone sometimes
Speaker 1: counter count is usually pretty good about creating it. But
Speaker 1: tight zone duo, they're all vertical. So you're basically asking
Speaker 1: these guys to kind of play out of what they're
Speaker 1: really good at. So on a vertical double team, you
Speaker 1: huge guys, Yeah, I want to lift you up and
Speaker 1: move it.
Speaker 2: I need to get you out of his get under.
Speaker 1: If and so with this group, I want lateral runs.
Speaker 1: I want to use my quickness, use my athleticism, find
Speaker 1: ways to create good landing spots to the second level.
Speaker 1: And I feel like to your point, when you see
Speaker 1: them running into backs, it's because that double team is
Speaker 1: going vertically and it's hard to create vertical movement in
Speaker 1: the NFL with it. So that's what I would say,
Speaker 1: is like that scheme only works if you throw the
Speaker 1: ball a ton, get them in advantageous.
Speaker 2: Box structures, right, hit them. Yeah, and then once they're
Speaker 2: in those box structures.
Speaker 1: That's why, like you look at the Bills game for example,
Speaker 1: b rob comes out and we average like seven yards
Speaker 1: of carry in the second half of that game because
Speaker 1: they're playing straight cover two straight cover, two great angles
Speaker 1: in the run game, good numbers in the run game,
Speaker 1: we can great good movement. That's what you want, right,
Speaker 1: But you gotta the way this offense, at least observationally
Speaker 1: works is you got to throw your way into that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not like Kyle Shanahan or Detroit where it's like
Speaker 1: we run the ball first, we are to yes, because
Speaker 1: those teams that run the ball like that, receivers block,
Speaker 1: full backs, block tight ends. Everybody blocks. If you're not blocking,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna play. Get gone.
Speaker 6: So I asked this question, and trust me, I truly
Speaker 6: see that. I mean just this, you basically demonstrating that
Speaker 6: you can see it watching it.
Speaker 3: It's happening that way.
Speaker 6: I've been a part of offenses that had new offenses,
Speaker 6: coordinators and style of play, and one wasn't working. So
Speaker 6: they say, you know what, I'm not going to scrap
Speaker 6: what I'm doing as a whole. I'm going to add
Speaker 6: some traditional runs. That's going to allow us to do
Speaker 6: some traditional things when the office isn't at sea doing
Speaker 6: what I wanted to do, because we understand that. To me,
Speaker 6: I've seen that without even knowing what you just broke down.
Speaker 6: I'm like, if we're not passing the ball, well the
Speaker 6: run ain't coming. We're not being able to show them something.
Speaker 6: And then they say, because you know, not every offense
Speaker 6: passing not come off each other.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, some officers were.
Speaker 6: You know, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do a
Speaker 6: pass here and there. The next thing, you know, we're
Speaker 6: gonna play action. You I mean, do a running then
Speaker 6: we're gonna play action. You Not all offices work that way,
Speaker 6: but I remember being here my first year, oh five,
Speaker 6: you had just left.
Speaker 3: And our run game was superb. Clinton. They was tearing
Speaker 3: people upon.
Speaker 2: Mike cell run past.
Speaker 6: Game wise, we just wasn't moving the ball. And what
Speaker 6: we started doing, say you know what, let's scrap everything.
Speaker 6: We're gonna do what the other team couldn't stop last week.
Speaker 6: And it worked for us, and before you know it,
Speaker 6: we ran more of the other teams you know passing
Speaker 6: game that played that team previously then we ran our own.
Speaker 3: So I'm just wondering, you know, we were going until
Speaker 3: week eight.
Speaker 6: Now, could we trinkle in a couple of runs from
Speaker 6: other teams that's been successful again.
Speaker 2: I see what y'all saying right there.
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's the quick fix in my
Speaker 5: head because it's a reason.
Speaker 6: It's not even a fix, it's just something to get
Speaker 6: us positive yard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But I think it's a reason why frogs don't wear
Speaker 5: Jordan's like it doesn't help them swim. I'll just be honest, man, Like,
Speaker 5: just because it's extra, don't make it help. I'm just
Speaker 5: saying it's a reason why. It's the reason why nature
Speaker 5: only gives you what you need. You're gonna give me
Speaker 5: way up feet fingers for me to grab things and
Speaker 5: for me to swim, But you could protect me by
Speaker 5: putting a pair of shoes on me, but it would
Speaker 5: also hinder me. So if your outfense is predicated on
Speaker 5: throwing the ball to open up the run, then what I.
Speaker 7: Was saying, what about these secondary short passes.
Speaker 2: And you are saying the same thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we're just saying a different way.
Speaker 1: It's like you need, like when you need a spark
Speaker 1: in the run game, what is it and how do
Speaker 1: you get there? And me, I'm like, I want to
Speaker 1: do what Tannis says because I want to get into
Speaker 1: type formations. Let's get those receipts. But that is a
Speaker 1: big lift. That's like, imagine installing that in the week.
Speaker 2: That's tough.
Speaker 1: That's a frog with joy, a draw, a screen, pitch,
Speaker 1: maybe all that stuff.
Speaker 2: You could that's pretty every day. We could do that.
Speaker 6: We can do that, we can we can do the
Speaker 6: two point play that Samuel scored a touchdown on.
Speaker 5: We can open field, put that in the game.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: You try to do something different that Samuels put give
Speaker 5: me right there, put b robbing there and give me
Speaker 5: at the same time, it's bring him across, throw throw,
Speaker 5: give me this.
Speaker 3: Right look at us and I and I'll suck at it.
Speaker 3: You know I suck at it.
Speaker 6: But I'm just saying, just when you're watching it, man,
Speaker 6: you're just looking at you saying, I'm sure you know
Speaker 6: eb is doing a great job at what he's calling,
Speaker 6: you know, and some of the things situations, because you
Speaker 6: can see when when we're.
Speaker 3: Having success, we all do.
Speaker 6: But when you having as many miscues that we've had,
Speaker 6: it kind of puts you in a spot where you
Speaker 6: can't even call some of your best stuff.
Speaker 2: That's one, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: And so if we can't call it, but I still
Speaker 6: trying to do it, then it can kind to make
Speaker 6: me like what else do I have? So I'm wondering,
Speaker 6: because I'm pretty sure every officeer coordinator has it. I'm
Speaker 6: just wondering, when I take this sat on, I take
Speaker 6: this jump off size and have this penalty I gotta
Speaker 6: put back? Do I have a player that I can
Speaker 6: say that's gonna get me at least the yards back?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I think it's the first year coordinated. I think he's
Speaker 5: still in his bag trying to problem solve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say Colin plays at the high
Speaker 1: school level like that is a dagger because you're like,
Speaker 1: there's no like third, like second and twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got nothing. It ain't a playful Yeah, I
Speaker 2: got nothing.
Speaker 5: Let's get Sam Yaws and try to make it a short.
Speaker 1: And third per and so okay, so I think we
Speaker 1: that was good. I really liked that was a good discussion. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we got two we got two left.
Speaker 5: Ye Oh, that's a great question because I think it's
Speaker 5: a little pumpkin and there sweet potato with pumpkin sea
Speaker 5: no cause sweep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something there, but it's like is it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like you need something easier to in slate guys.
Speaker 1: Run game is kind of the defaul thing, but it's
Speaker 1: not just as easy as like run the ball mark.
Speaker 1: You need more efficient runs. It's a sweet pumpkin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a sweet pumpkin. That's what it is. Sweet,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Johan Dodson is regressing this one. I think is interesting
Speaker 1: because I got a lot of people about.
Speaker 2: This one step back there.
Speaker 6: I mean honestly, man, you know, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 6: I feel like I've walked in these shoes too many times.
Speaker 6: I've seen a guy and it was so crazy, I
Speaker 6: promise you if I'm lying on Flying Fly. When we
Speaker 6: was talking about Jahan Dawson coming to this season, the
Speaker 6: first thing I had in the back of my right mind,
Speaker 6: right brain.
Speaker 3: Right side, right side is always the best.
Speaker 6: The first thing I thought of, I said, I hope
Speaker 6: we ain't blowing too much smoke and this guy don't
Speaker 6: have the season that we are thinking I swear, I
Speaker 6: promise you. I was just sad sitting here saying to myself,
Speaker 6: you know how you feel something, don't say nothing about it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like that all the time.
Speaker 6: So I was saying this to myself and then boom,
Speaker 6: the season's happened. We're here now, and wow, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like this is what I kind of
Speaker 6: imagine happening. You know, I mean, because you got a
Speaker 6: new offense, you got a new quarterback, you got so
Speaker 6: many things going on, and.
Speaker 3: As a receiver, you've talked about this time and time again.
Speaker 3: We need so much to.
Speaker 2: Go right for y'all to seed.
Speaker 6: And for the most part, things have gone well when
Speaker 6: he had opportunities. But you're still trying to get chemistry
Speaker 6: with this quarterback. You're still trying to get in where
Speaker 6: you fit in with this offensive scheme, how to get
Speaker 6: to these routes, how to get to these spots on
Speaker 6: the field. Too many variables in a timely fashion, and
Speaker 6: you're still trying to be yourself.
Speaker 3: When you look at certain.
Speaker 6: Games, you can say that he's catching the ball well
Speaker 6: in this game, when you're saying, well, he's not putting
Speaker 6: the same production.
Speaker 3: But if you look at it. It's not all his fault.
Speaker 2: It's never all the receiver fault.
Speaker 6: No, I can't say that because sometimes it's just a receiver.
Speaker 6: If you drop a ball, then that's on you. But
Speaker 6: if you not running the route fast enough, you'd not
Speaker 6: get to your spot, that's on you. But the reason
Speaker 6: why I want to jump on this is because when
Speaker 6: I'm watching him, I can see some of the games
Speaker 6: when he's not getting the ball, then it's he's not
Speaker 6: getting his number call.
Speaker 3: Then the games are getting called.
Speaker 6: You can't he can't help as a receiver. What catches,
Speaker 6: what what routes he's getting, He's getting the ball thrown
Speaker 6: to him. Man, Like last week, he caught a he
Speaker 6: caught a shout across, he caught a stick route, he
Speaker 6: caught an out route. Even a player that he missed
Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter that was like a little out route,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Those particular passes not gonna
Speaker 6: always give you the numbers that you're looking for or
Speaker 6: the production that people are hoping to see from him.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of routes.
Speaker 6: Here and there that one of them got picked going
Speaker 6: across the middle, and that that route used to be
Speaker 6: called the what route for us, the high crosses deep
Speaker 6: over whatever call that play got picked, you throw it
Speaker 6: a little differently. That's a big game for him. He's
Speaker 6: probably going up the side of a centis touchdown. So
Speaker 6: last year I'm looking at certain plays that's not getting
Speaker 6: to him that he can he can get that production
Speaker 6: out of. Then some of the players that's not even
Speaker 6: being thrown at him. So the reason why I want
Speaker 6: to chime in on it because I bend them shoes.
Speaker 6: And yes, it's easy to say that he's regressing because
Speaker 6: he has to put up the numbers, but I won't
Speaker 6: say he's regressing himself. I feel like offensively, when we
Speaker 6: haven't really got were playing ketch up, we have old thing.
Speaker 6: Not even that we haven't got him evolved enough. I
Speaker 6: think we have too many guys to try to get
Speaker 6: things happen, and one guy in himself, Terry needs the ball.
Speaker 3: He's your guy.
Speaker 6: So it's easy to say Terry's not a guy that
Speaker 6: you can say, oh, he's gonna run this route, gred,
Speaker 6: He's gonna do that. Terry's is the guy throw the
Speaker 6: ball up. He's gonna he's gonna come down with and
Speaker 6: make them happen. That's how I look at Terry.
Speaker 2: He can run.
Speaker 6: He can pretty much run every route. He's probably not
Speaker 6: the best at running him all. Yes, we look at
Speaker 6: Jahan as a he's a surgeon when it comes to
Speaker 6: the route round.
Speaker 3: He can run routes.
Speaker 6: But Terry's one of those guys that man, he can
Speaker 6: run whatever routes you tell him to run. He's gonna
Speaker 6: find a way to get open. And when you have
Speaker 6: a guy like that, to me, I feel like.
Speaker 3: You have more.
Speaker 6: Room for error, you know what I'm saying, Like you
Speaker 6: can throw the ball to Terry and he's gonna make
Speaker 6: you right. Jahan, on the other hand, Logan said this
Speaker 6: today and I had to I had to really say
Speaker 6: I agree. I didn't say I agree when I was
Speaker 6: thinking about it back there, but I agree with it.
Speaker 6: It seems like at times, or you might have said this,
Speaker 6: it seems like Sam is trying to be perfect with
Speaker 6: your Yeah, he wants to throw a perfect ball. Yes,
Speaker 6: instead of throwing the ball and just throw it up
Speaker 6: to me, just give it to them. Both of the
Speaker 6: guys have hands. Both of the guys can make plays.
Speaker 6: So I wouldn't say he's regressing. I just feel like
Speaker 6: we have to find more ways created him involved, and
Speaker 6: I think last week was the first time I saw
Speaker 6: them try to make an effort of getting him involved.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you talked about it, not you because of
Speaker 5: this reason right here in the NFL DB's we look
Speaker 5: at two receivers. We got trouble shooters that mean they
Speaker 5: don't care what's going on around them.
Speaker 7: Who quarterback them. Matter of fact, they never have.
Speaker 5: Good quarterbacks, right Sant Tyner story like he would have
Speaker 5: to just figure it out.
Speaker 2: Then you got honeymoon receivers.
Speaker 5: Like honeymoon receivers is the guy that been with Peyton
Speaker 5: Manning his whole life, the Tyreek Hill that they had
Speaker 5: Pat Mahame didn't go to tours. So if some guys
Speaker 5: a Hundrey move receivers, they always gonna put up the
Speaker 5: numbers because they always got somebody good delivering the ball.
Speaker 5: But your trouble shooters they do it despite of they
Speaker 5: do it, despite of quarterbacks, they do it despite of
Speaker 5: offensive scheme. Terry McLaurin is a trouble shooter. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about year at the who my quarterback don't care Year
Speaker 5: at the year at the year, Throw me the ball.
Speaker 7: I would come down to it.
Speaker 2: I'm not a devil. I'm not gonna.
Speaker 7: Respond to everybody else.
Speaker 2: Trouble shooting receivers. Then you have receivers that need.
Speaker 5: Things to be a little bit right, and if it
Speaker 5: ain't right, they are not right. Like I would love
Speaker 5: to see two people trade shoes and we all came
Speaker 5: out in the draft, Clay, I would love to see
Speaker 5: Reggie Wayne trade shoes with Santana mos See, now show
Speaker 5: me your numbers. Like so it's one of those things
Speaker 5: where as a receiver, damned if you do, damned if
Speaker 5: you don't.
Speaker 1: Right to you, both of you rus points. I felt
Speaker 1: like this was like his best game, like running rounds,
Speaker 1: getting open, finding space, his legs look under himber in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: we kind of thought he was a little heavy leg
Speaker 1: this one. I felt like, no obvious, there's the drop late,
Speaker 1: but I thought there was you know, you mentioned the
Speaker 1: the interception. There was the other one kind of in
Speaker 1: the first half where it's thrown behind him, Like those
Speaker 1: are both opportunities where I think he could have made
Speaker 1: some plays and he just didn't get the opportunity. But
Speaker 1: I thought, I think he looks he's looking good just
Speaker 1: about getting those opportunities worked out now, So this is
Speaker 1: the one we've talked about all these fans. If you
Speaker 1: given all of these, this is the one I get
Speaker 1: the most of. So is John regressing pumpkin Nurse, sweet Potato.
Speaker 1: I'd say that's a little bit of a pumpkin tape.
Speaker 1: All right, are we out of it? Is it time
Speaker 1: to give up? Trade everybody and move on, get ready
Speaker 1: for next year?
Speaker 5: Calm down, We got more games in front of us
Speaker 5: than behind us. As simple as this, derego your math.
Speaker 5: We not OH in seven. If we was OH in Salem,
Speaker 5: were still all got ten more to go. So at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, it's never how you start,
Speaker 5: it's how you finish. And I understand it's the side
Speaker 5: with taste, not because of the loss how we lost
Speaker 5: the losses.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, they're only going to
Speaker 2: get better.
Speaker 5: Would you rather play your best game by the said,
Speaker 5: I mean, your best football by the seventh week? Are
Speaker 5: your best football going into the latter half of the year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we're far from out of it. I've
Speaker 6: been in tougher situations I've been in.
Speaker 3: I went to the.
Speaker 6: Postseason at least two or three times, probably because I
Speaker 6: only went three years here in ten years. But all
Speaker 6: those times we had to go and get four or
Speaker 6: five games in a row.
Speaker 7: Just we went and got seven and got it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we did.
Speaker 6: So I've been in them years. Five we went and
Speaker 6: got five at.
Speaker 2: The in the year.
Speaker 6: You know, I've been in another team where we went
Speaker 6: and got four in the I've been in those teams
Speaker 6: where you just have to make your run claw you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. But at the same time, saying
Speaker 6: that you're out of it, you're not out of it
Speaker 6: until you're out of it, you see what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: Like you're not out of it to say it you're
Speaker 6: out of it, And I feel like it's too much
Speaker 6: time for us to even have that talk. But I
Speaker 6: will say this also, you still have to have a
Speaker 6: sense of urgency as a player and as a team
Speaker 6: as a staff that we because see my only problem
Speaker 6: with what we have going on right now, this is
Speaker 6: my biggest problem. You don't win the games you're supposed
Speaker 6: to win. So it's easy for you to look at
Speaker 6: it and say it out of it.
Speaker 2: Say I can't pick anyone.
Speaker 6: You look at it, You look at all other games,
Speaker 6: but they ain't gonna be that team. That team they
Speaker 6: ain't gonna be that team. But then the games when
Speaker 6: they show up. So if you win these games you're
Speaker 6: supposed to, then you're sitting there big fat and happen
Speaker 6: you might lose those easier the games down the road
Speaker 6: because you want a game or two that you're supposed
Speaker 6: to that made you think that you did something. So
Speaker 6: this is one of those things about our team. John
Speaker 6: said the other day on the Junk show Man, we
Speaker 6: always make.
Speaker 3: It hard for ourselves. We've been a part of those teams. Yeah,
Speaker 3: make it hard.
Speaker 2: We made it hard.
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't like it easy.
Speaker 6: And if they don't like it easy, then oh well,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna sit back and be ready to watch it.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to play sooner or later. Better than it's.
Speaker 2: Only good and horseshoes and grenade throwing. That's it.
Speaker 7: I almost won't get you there.
Speaker 2: They almost you right.
Speaker 7: Target with grenade.
Speaker 1: You better, you better throw it fast enough. I agree
Speaker 1: with both of you guys. But you know, in twenty
Speaker 1: twelve we were three and so not looking good. One
Speaker 1: seven in row made the playoffs, right, so you never know,
Speaker 1: and we and we beat some teams. We shouldn't beat
Speaker 1: So you're not out of it. It's just about to
Speaker 1: your point and can you find it? Can you find
Speaker 1: the consistency? Can you find the right amalgamation of stuff?
Speaker 1: And started making plays?
Speaker 2: All right? Excuse me?
Speaker 1: So now time for the Command Center Podcast Fantasy Recap
Speaker 1: and we have a very special guest back by popular
Speaker 1: demand intern Caroline.
Speaker 2: Caroline, how are you?
Speaker 6: Hello?
Speaker 8: Everyone comments, so shout out, shout out.
Speaker 5: To you one a week ago.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. Yeah, so you're here to help
Speaker 2: us recap. So you are?
Speaker 1: You won this week and you beat me. Jason just
Speaker 1: told me about so congratulations.
Speaker 7: Who ain't playing down?
Speaker 2: My team must be terrible? So who was in your lineup? Caroline?
Speaker 8: Let's let's get a look see? So I kept justin
Speaker 8: Jefferson in because as I saw I was playing you
Speaker 8: and I thought this.
Speaker 2: I don't know who's on my team.
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 5: Logan that's similar to me, Like when I say when
Speaker 5: I hear I lose, I'd be like Jason just hating.
Speaker 7: Like it's to the point now I don't even count
Speaker 7: the points.
Speaker 2: Of MyD isn't isn't Jason your your manager?
Speaker 7: He's my manager? That seems to never manage.
Speaker 3: But you had a we had a squad.
Speaker 6: Man, I was scared of your squad when I watch
Speaker 6: because we was we was head to head this weekend.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at your squad. I'm like, man, he got
Speaker 3: some guys and they never show up together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and that's a that's the thing about fantasy,
Speaker 6: it's about you can have all the best players, right,
Speaker 6: but if you don't pick him to play that that
Speaker 6: pretending day, the opportunity I had to do Andrews over
Speaker 6: there with the Ravens, and I took him up the
Speaker 6: lineup because he hadn't been doing anything.
Speaker 2: Points who you got?
Speaker 8: Okay, So just looking at it, the only position you
Speaker 8: beat me at was at quarterback. You had Lamar Jackson
Speaker 8: who had a day. I had Josh Allen, so went
Speaker 8: to by points.
Speaker 2: Still even with it, he didn't have two interceptions? Though?
Speaker 2: Was that last week I happen to say? That never
Speaker 2: stops the quarterback from racking up point Who they played?
Speaker 2: They played Doingland this weekend? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah they did?
Speaker 2: Didn't he have two picks? Okay? Gosh, Jason, Jason terrible man. Yeah, Jason,
Speaker 2: this isn't this your job?
Speaker 5: No, we watched the Washington Commander.
Speaker 2: Is that right? Okay? So else you got.
Speaker 8: Okay, So you also had a lot of people on
Speaker 8: your bench, which I did not. I killed you. It
Speaker 8: was seventy one to one twenty.
Speaker 2: Is that bad? Yeah?
Speaker 7: She almost doubled.
Speaker 8: Davante Adams. Still just like, is he?
Speaker 2: Is he on my team or your team?
Speaker 8: My team?
Speaker 2: Okay? I don't know. I don't anybody.
Speaker 5: DeVante Adams and Justin Jefferson winning?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh?
Speaker 8: Why had Terry too?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 3: Ain't do nothing?
Speaker 6: Yeah, her best, her best receivers didn't even have a
Speaker 6: good game.
Speaker 8: You didn't play Austin Eckler. He literally had only five
Speaker 8: zero sake one seen really only had one point for you.
Speaker 8: So I don't really know.
Speaker 1: Ye look at that. I look at my roster a
Speaker 1: little bit here, boys, Yeah, I don't even know it.
Speaker 2: My team to step up and pay attention, all right.
Speaker 1: So moving on from the most boring game of fantasy
Speaker 1: this week, London is still undefeated. How I mean, have
Speaker 1: you you played him right, Caroline?
Speaker 3: I played him last week.
Speaker 6: I think I point about one point.
Speaker 3: It was one fifteen, one fourteen.
Speaker 2: And you're still salty about it.
Speaker 6: I love salty his hell about it because it was
Speaker 6: all about that last interception that the damn Cowboys got
Speaker 6: that it gave him that little nod in front of me.
Speaker 3: I mean I was sitting there the whole night.
Speaker 6: I literally watched the game knowing that London had the
Speaker 6: Cowboys defense, and I'm like, if I can hold on, yeah,
Speaker 6: I got him and they got to pick to close
Speaker 6: the game out.
Speaker 5: The Cowboy killer killed by the Cowboy So.
Speaker 2: But he's got Travis Kelcey on his on his team.
Speaker 5: Well long as as long as he dating so and so,
Speaker 5: they're gonna be at least thirty points a game because
Speaker 5: since they've been dating, he been over one fifty every game.
Speaker 2: Taylor, TWI know that she's been at right every game this.
Speaker 6: Game until he had a he had a he had
Speaker 6: a score, some catches he didn't. He wasn't really killing.
Speaker 2: But he had one hundred games. We know this.
Speaker 5: This dude is the goat of tight ends already. Really
Speaker 5: nothing that's to prove now he's having the best statistical years,
Speaker 5: Like because you know when you got that new girlfriend
Speaker 5: in the stands and your girlfriend happened to be the
Speaker 5: most popular woman on Nerve.
Speaker 2: Show out Caro, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Diller Swift about Fred's analysis here, I mean, I saw
Speaker 1: you laughing over that.
Speaker 7: Wants to show out for the girl. I feel about it.
Speaker 1: I feel like when I was at my happiest, I
Speaker 1: played my worst. I need like like someone stopped me.
Speaker 5: But you know, players need the other drive, like what's
Speaker 5: driving you today?
Speaker 6: Every girl don't work for you do? Because I was
Speaker 6: that gown. I was young, and I told myself I
Speaker 6: want a girlfriend around football season just because I didn't
Speaker 6: know if I didn't want to bring her juju in
Speaker 6: with me. You know what I'm saying right about.
Speaker 3: So you had to.
Speaker 6: You had to find that girlfriend that you felt like
Speaker 6: made you get up and play.
Speaker 7: Because when I got married, my game suffered.
Speaker 2: That's probably for the reason I'm just daddy. It's suffered.
Speaker 9: Fred, You just say things sometimes just to fact check
Speaker 9: you real quick. Yeah, since he's been dating Swift, No, no, no,
Speaker 9: sixty yards.
Speaker 5: The game she is she's been going to? She hasn't
Speaker 5: went to every last one. I promise you you just
Speaker 5: lied into the mic was at she was.
Speaker 9: At the New York sixty seven yards.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good kind of touchdown, right.
Speaker 9: No, excuse me, sorry, that was sixty yards sixty no touchdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Then the next game she was at she was at
Speaker 9: the every sixty seven yards.
Speaker 3: So I can say this after you've done Then he had.
Speaker 9: Twenty one hundred and twenty four yards, no touchdown, and
Speaker 9: then you.
Speaker 2: Know speak he went.
Speaker 6: So from the time he said on his podcast, if
Speaker 6: I can get Taylor Swift to come to the game,
Speaker 6: she has been.
Speaker 3: To every game.
Speaker 2: Four games.
Speaker 3: That's the only four games we're talking about.
Speaker 7: No, and they've been danceince the season, bro.
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about since the time he said he
Speaker 3: wanted her to.
Speaker 5: Go to the game that was last That was what
Speaker 5: I'm talking about. I ain't talking about the start day
Speaker 5: literally six seven games ago.
Speaker 3: This is my this is this is what I'm saying
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about the time he said that them the
Speaker 6: games that I'm counting those four games, and it wasn't
Speaker 6: one fifty.
Speaker 2: First of all, he said that in the off season.
Speaker 3: He did not say that.
Speaker 5: He said I want the day Taylor Swift in the
Speaker 5: off season doing a doing an interview with his team.
Speaker 6: At the time they aired it, from the time they
Speaker 6: aired it, from the time they aired it on national's.
Speaker 2: Been the four games.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: He's off.
Speaker 3: No, he haven't sixty yards.
Speaker 5: Sixty yards and you take sixty yards.
Speaker 2: I would take sixty.
Speaker 3: But we're talking about what you just said.
Speaker 5: You said one fifty area week, Jeff, because you trying
Speaker 5: to shade my line with a lie.
Speaker 7: Didn't make your line, because you have.
Speaker 2: No proof on this, Fred, you got no ground to
Speaker 2: stand on right now. You lie, You didn't lie. London.
Speaker 7: Where's London when I need?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 5: Don't need?
Speaker 2: Y'all tell the world we're not doing that to you.
Speaker 1: We're not doing that to you. Okay, leave a comment.
Speaker 1: Guess what Fred's mill name is. It starts with a D.
Speaker 1: Here we go, all right, So Fred, you lost to
Speaker 1: Santana by one. You had Tua and you had Naja. Harris,
Speaker 1: it's not your Harris playing good football.
Speaker 5: The back behind him number thirty, it's told to bree
Speaker 5: it right now, Harris.
Speaker 7: I know, no, what's the name told the bride the
Speaker 7: back behind it?
Speaker 1: I gotta look that up. But yeah, so so so. Tanna,
Speaker 1: you're doing good, London's doing good, Carolina doing good. Jason,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Are you in this thing or what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: nor your your Fred's GM. Yeah, it's tough. That's a tough,
Speaker 1: look all right. You can't be good at everything, all right.
Speaker 1: So that's our fantasy recap, a little all over the place.
Speaker 1: To David, it was fun. And then now, from what
Speaker 1: I understand, our producer just told me that intern Caroline
Speaker 1: as a game for us today. She's gonna guess all
Speaker 1: of Fred's isms from today's show.
Speaker 7: How many did I?
Speaker 2: I was trying to think back, I don't.
Speaker 1: I feel like it wasn't as many as normal, but
Speaker 1: like a fredism was like I don't know, like a
Speaker 1: paralypse will tell a lie or listen or whatever you say,
Speaker 1: like one of those, And I'm sure one of those
Speaker 1: are in there, but I'm curious to see. So Caroline,
Speaker 1: just for the record, just to talk through the game,
Speaker 1: Jason's gonna give us that.
Speaker 9: Before we begin. How many do you think she's gonna get?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 9: What should we set the over under it?
Speaker 2: I don't even know what he said today though, like
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 5: Set over under you just know everything at five, six
Speaker 5: to seven, that's what that's a lot.
Speaker 2: I bet you, I bet you get I bet you
Speaker 2: get three? Right? Yeah, three and a half three, I'll
Speaker 2: take the.
Speaker 1: Under all all right, all right, here you go. And
Speaker 1: not because I don't think you don't know the fredisms.
Speaker 1: It's because I don't think he said that many today.
Speaker 2: But here we go.
Speaker 8: Okay, well some of them aren't necessarily is I think
Speaker 8: he's gonna.
Speaker 2: Bring up okay? Right here we go.
Speaker 8: I didn't write that down, but that would be an example.
Speaker 5: Bring up bubbles, bubbles Jackson, Okay, bring up okay.
Speaker 8: So that was actually my first one that you were
Speaker 8: going to say something about pumpkin or sweet potato.
Speaker 1: So it's funny, it's what's funny. Let me just say
Speaker 1: this real quick. Let me just say this. We did
Speaker 1: our pumpkins segment today and I was waiting for him
Speaker 1: to say something. I was like, is he gonna say?
Speaker 1: And I was like, Fred, what is a pumpkin? He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's okay, And he was intentionally.
Speaker 5: Staring away from me, and I was not gonna duck
Speaker 5: the ball for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of he kind of like sidetracked it
Speaker 1: a little, just stayed away from.
Speaker 9: And just to apologize to you, Caroline, in our production meeting,
Speaker 9: I did tell Fred that this may be coming, and
Speaker 9: so I feel like to be the winner in turn.
Speaker 1: So so I was so, it's not fair. It's not
Speaker 1: fair because he's like because he in the meeting, it's like,
Speaker 1: I'll play the game.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, Fred wants a pumpkin. He
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, I've.
Speaker 6: That he said that because I was want to say, like, well,
Speaker 6: we actually warmed him.
Speaker 3: So that's why I didn't hear that many That's.
Speaker 8: Just crazy because I think for the past two months
Speaker 8: se potato.
Speaker 5: But we had a segment today pumpkin or sweet potato,
Speaker 5: and it wasn't saying do you want one of these?
Speaker 5: It was saying, how do we view these situation?
Speaker 10: He did he did say.
Speaker 6: He did say, to his credit and to your credit,
Speaker 6: he did say punkin Punkin.
Speaker 2: Has no But I basically was like, Fred, just does
Speaker 2: pumpkin have nutrients? He was like, not any of them.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't is he was I'm gonna give it
Speaker 1: to her because I think Fred was kind of trying
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 8: Something about the hippopotamus eating it.
Speaker 2: Dude, No, but I love that story. I loved us.
Speaker 5: If you go to the Smithsonian Zoo, they feed the
Speaker 5: hippopotamus like they throw They would literally throw the whole pumpkin.
Speaker 2: Ain't no cutting it, and I've seen do with watermelon.
Speaker 5: They throw the whole pumpkin in the mind for the
Speaker 5: hippopotamus and he just smooshes it one bite.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's one.
Speaker 7: I was watching Gallagher.
Speaker 2: That's where y'all got that from, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So so one point, yeah, let's get And so
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know fred as and
Speaker 1: talk to fred as much as we do, that is
Speaker 1: a story, that pumpkin story with hippopotamus that comes up
Speaker 1: during this time of year once a week, twice a
Speaker 1: week maybe, Okay.
Speaker 5: So because nobody ever thought about what a hippopotamus eats.
Speaker 5: And you need to know that hippopotamus kills more people
Speaker 5: than almost any animal than a lion, tiger.
Speaker 2: It's the it's the deadliest animal in Africa. And so
Speaker 2: it's not almost I tried to run from a hippopotamus.
Speaker 2: Got that's at all, right, Carol.
Speaker 8: The next one, did he say anything about dogs, specifically
Speaker 8: referring to the miss b.
Speaker 2: Steak bull dogs.
Speaker 5: I did not talk about dogs today, not even forbes
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 2: I know I know that forms even came up. You
Speaker 2: were intentionally not bringing that. No, maybe not all right.
Speaker 8: I know you did this because you did it twice
Speaker 8: when I walked in. What you said at the end
Speaker 8: of the day, at the end of the days kind
Speaker 8: of like my thing like that.
Speaker 5: Definitely definitely listen, I said, listen because talkers like to
Speaker 5: be listened to. So you got those two you know
Speaker 5: what I said.
Speaker 7: We were talking.
Speaker 10: I say, like saving, let me get on my knaps drink.
Speaker 2: Got it? That was a good one answer? Two? Right?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 8: Three?
Speaker 2: Three? How did you listen? Okay? Yeah, all right, Logan James,
Speaker 2: he did not today. No.
Speaker 5: I was afraid he was gonna let my middle name
Speaker 5: because we have we have mutually we have we have
Speaker 5: mutually assured destruction.
Speaker 2: Right now, if you start doing that too much, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to throw that.
Speaker 7: Outc I know he got a.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 5: You can't, you can't light a match, and you can't
Speaker 5: put the file.
Speaker 8: I wrote something about your middle name, but Logan kind
Speaker 8: of brought it up, so it's not really fair. That
Speaker 8: was a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1: He didn't bring Yeah, yeah, yeah, I brought it up.
Speaker 1: We're not we're not bringing up on the show. We
Speaker 1: don't leave a comment.
Speaker 5: Hey, London, it's on. That's all I want to say.
Speaker 2: Great investigative, Hannah, But they don't understand.
Speaker 5: These dudes didn't been to the Scout, departed to old.
Speaker 2: B O, pay hey, old girl, to every department.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm just know his I'm laughing because see,
Speaker 6: I'm the guy he got to worry about. I'm not
Speaker 6: going I ain't trying to throw you under the bus.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna put you outs.
Speaker 9: Know what we're talking about. We're talking about Fred's middle name.
Speaker 2: You know it starts with a D.
Speaker 5: He won't because I changed it from Wikipedia purposes and
Speaker 5: and made a joke.
Speaker 4: Would do put up a fake name for everybody just
Speaker 4: and London did some investigative work and founder we're keeping
Speaker 4: it underground.
Speaker 2: That's why, respecting your identity.
Speaker 9: So we want fans of comment of what this name
Speaker 9: might be so bad you're trying to hide it.
Speaker 5: Whirs all start with a D with a E. I can't, hey,
Speaker 5: but will they figure it out?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Tune in next time, Caroline, what's the next one?
Speaker 8: Will bring up the brotherly shove and that said but
Speaker 8: will refer to as the tush push or something more
Speaker 8: inappropriate that we will have to cut.
Speaker 1: So he didn't do it today because we haven't done
Speaker 1: our previous we have done our preview partner. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that'll be for sure, that'll come up the next next.
Speaker 7: Well, most definitely come up.
Speaker 8: Have you talked about Philly at all?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, because we only talked about the Giant.
Speaker 8: But if we talked about Philly, you'd.
Speaker 5: Say I was more because I hate the play and
Speaker 5: I respect it.
Speaker 2: You know how you respect.
Speaker 5: Something like I hate it because nobody can stop it.
Speaker 5: I respect it because they are legitimately then the people
Speaker 5: who's mastery, so you know, and I don't call it
Speaker 5: the test push. I don't call it the brother the
Speaker 5: shlve tune in next week without a red.
Speaker 8: Okay, So since you guys haven't previewed the Eagles, you
Speaker 8: definitely I think you'd say that Rocky's fake.
Speaker 7: Oh I hate Rocky, most definitely hate Rocky. I'm more
Speaker 7: of a drag old guy anyway.
Speaker 1: But there's there's one more Caroline, So no, so be
Speaker 1: you can doesn't need to be off your sheet, but
Speaker 1: you gotta get this to be over.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so right now, Logan's right, this already happened.
Speaker 8: He'll make a completely irrelevant reason slash excuse to why
Speaker 8: his fantasy team sucks. And he said reason or.
Speaker 10: I just said, she's over got the reason it sucks.
Speaker 5: He's sitting right now, Jason, the manager of.
Speaker 2: My team is the list.
Speaker 3: But look when he won, it was all him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm the mast I'm the smartest. Listen, when you
Speaker 5: got the mightis touch everything you touched her and to.
Speaker 2: Go now, I do know that smoothism, that smoothism that well,
Speaker 2: I think that does it. So she's over right.
Speaker 1: We got four of them correct, and that should give
Speaker 1: you an idea of how consistent for this in the
Speaker 1: way he speaks and what he talks.
Speaker 3: About insistently tale lies.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, so make sure you got Caroline. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Maybe we get your comments up to three. If you
Speaker 1: like Caroline on the show, leave a comment. Let's see
Speaker 1: if we get her going there.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 5: Well, since Halloween coming up, you know all the tall
Speaker 5: tales we hear about in history and stuff, they have
Speaker 5: truth to them that is true.
Speaker 2: Like me, I tried to get in the mirror and
Speaker 2: say blooded mirror. Three times. I see the mirror story
Speaker 2: drip I ran out of it, could have been.
Speaker 5: Residuced, weeat.
Speaker 7: I don't know, but these are these, these tall tales
Speaker 7: from the past.
Speaker 5: They got a little truth.
Speaker 2: To all right. Well, thank you guys so much for
Speaker 2: joining us.
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