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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to another edition of Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you, and boy, it

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Speaker 1: is always fun to catch up with Johnny on a

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Speaker 1: Tuesday where it's kind of we're not in a game

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Speaker 1: week just yet, but we are. We're not past the

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Speaker 1: last one, but we are. We're sort of in this

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Speaker 1: nether world and it's a beautiful place to be because

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Speaker 1: the Texans are very much alive for the playoffs. Johnny

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to go there tonight. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: go with the P word tonight because it's just us.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to share this with Nick. We don't

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Speaker 1: have to talk to Tamiko about it. It's just us

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Speaker 1: talking about the playoffs. Yeah, this is wild.

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Speaker 2: It's wild to even use that word playoffs. And I've

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Speaker 2: tried to in my mind play this whole thing out

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Speaker 2: and what if we don't make the playoffs and all that.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, we, well, were we even talking about week one?

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Speaker 2: We had a rookie head coach, a rookie offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 2: rookie quarterback. It were in week six, Dean were talking

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Speaker 2: about the flipping playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I like this, I mean, it's w this is the playoffs. Yeah, here,

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Speaker 3: we are ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: So we always talk about, well, how back in March,

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Speaker 1: what were you thinking, back after the draft, What were

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Speaker 1: you thinking in training camp?

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Speaker 3: What were you thinking? How about O and two? What

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Speaker 3: were you thinking this team was? Oh and two?

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Speaker 1: Yep, you know, we don't talk about that part of

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Speaker 1: it much. And it wasn't necessarily a really good looking.

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Speaker 3: O in two.

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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't a horrible O and two. But it

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Speaker 1: wasn't an O and two that made you think they're

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Speaker 1: right there. They weren't right there. I mean they looked

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Speaker 1: okay at times.

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Speaker 3: In the Ravens game.

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Speaker 1: You knew that was going to be a tough one.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it all off season long. Really, this

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Speaker 1: is the opener. You gotta go play the freaking Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Look at the they have the one seed right now.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens are eleven and three right now. They were

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Right then you play the Colts. That was

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Speaker 1: the one that sort of had me saying, uh oh,

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Speaker 1: because Anthony Richardson had those two touchdown runs. Then it

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Speaker 1: gets hurt and you think, oh, the rest of the

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Speaker 1: way should be okay because it's just menshit. It's just Minshee, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just minshew. And then he does what he does to

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Speaker 1: you that day, and then it got going against the

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Speaker 1: Jags the following week. We know the rest of the story,

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Speaker 1: but at Owen two, I thought, it's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough. I still thought I knew I

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Speaker 1: knew this. I felt really confident. They had much better

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Speaker 1: football ahead of them. They were gonna play a lot better.

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Speaker 1: It was gonna come together. They were just gelling.

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Speaker 3: It's tough.

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Speaker 1: You don't have time together in the preseason. You're playing

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. He's gonna get better, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But boy did he get better in a freaking hurry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Became this unbelievable phenomena almost instantly after that.

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Speaker 3: It seems like that when we had a Week eight team.

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Speaker 2: We'll probably talk a little bit more about that Colts game, Mark,

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Speaker 2: but I remember, so, you know, kind of peek beyond

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Speaker 2: a curtain each and every game. Kind of my ritual

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Speaker 2: is when the game is over, I go up to

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Speaker 2: your office. I'm on the second floor, and we just

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Speaker 2: kind of sit and chat about things. And when that

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Speaker 2: game was over, I remember sitting in the chair near

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Speaker 2: your desk, and I just I was looking at you,

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Speaker 2: like what do we do now? Because I felt like

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Speaker 2: going into that Colts game, like, Okay, look, Ravens, it's

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Speaker 2: a tough way to start, but we're wearing you know,

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Speaker 2: Liberty White. We're gonna break open this season and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna look good. We're gonna stop him, like we're gonna

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Speaker 2: shut the Colts down. It's gonna be a great way

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Speaker 2: to start the twenty twenty three. Last year, and you

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Speaker 2: beat him, didn't lose to them, You didn't lose, And

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Speaker 2: I walked out of there going whoa. Shane Steichen's a

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Speaker 2: really good coach. The Colts are back to being as

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Speaker 2: physical as we expected. The one thing I remember taking

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Speaker 2: out of that game, though, was boy CJ and Nico

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Speaker 2: linked up, like maybe there's something there, Maybe there's something there.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Tank got a touchdown in that game in the second half,

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Speaker 2: and we started seeing the offense, but we're like, what

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Speaker 2: about the The defense just went over the edge, Like

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Speaker 2: what happened?

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Speaker 1: You just didn't know, didn't know how that was all

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Speaker 2: And it was Gardner Minshew for the most part, and

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Speaker 2: Richardson looked good on the one drive, I just felt

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Speaker 2: like man, that's when I felt the like kicking a chunk,

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Speaker 2: Like man, I thought we were gonna be better. And

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Speaker 2: I got a text. I got a text from a

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Speaker 2: buddy of mine. And when he always asked me, like

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Speaker 2: what I what I think about?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: And I like, what do you think of the season?

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Speaker 2: You get asked this a lot, like how many? How

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Speaker 2: many wins? What do you think you're gonna get wins wise?

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Speaker 2: And like what's the record gonna be? And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think I think I would tell people like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think seven to ten eight nine is realistic, Like

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Speaker 2: it makes sense that that would be realistic. And I

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Speaker 2: got a text from him in the fourth quarter, it

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Speaker 2: just mad as he could be, and he was like

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Speaker 2: seven wins, this team isn't getting a one win?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that was the sentiment of a lot of people

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Speaker 2: like this team isn't better, this team isn't any good,

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Speaker 2: this team doesn't have it, blah blah, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And then that week you I going out to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't even have any expectation. We're playing a

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Speaker 2: division leader. Hey, they lost to this chiefs all right, whatever,

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Speaker 2: But the one thing I kind of kept hanging on

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Speaker 2: and I remember Drew mentioning this too. When they did

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Speaker 2: the press conference that week for the Jacksonville game. They

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Speaker 2: were going to London for two weeks after that. Not

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Speaker 2: one question was about us, not one, not one. And

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Speaker 2: then we went in there and just absolutely obliterated them.

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Speaker 2: And of course, and I think about this because outside

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Speaker 2: our hallway down here at service level, there are pictures.

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Speaker 2: They have pictures of players in particular games, and I've

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Speaker 2: kind of figured out that those were the players the game,

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Speaker 2: as the coaches and the team voted on. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: so they for the Jacksonville game. There's Will Anderson because

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Speaker 2: We'll had the blockfield goal. He had a couple of

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Speaker 2: nice plays as well. There's Tanks scoring a touchdown. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's got the ball in his arms, he's got the

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Speaker 3: That was the clincher.

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Speaker 2: But Andrew Beck has the kickoff return of all kickoff returns.

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Speaker 2: And when you think about how crazy this season has been,

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Speaker 2: and you realize it's seventeen to ten in that game,

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Speaker 2: and he runs that thing back and you realize we're

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Speaker 2: up two scores now and what just what just happened?

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Speaker 2: And it was like the whole there was this boost,

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Speaker 2: this B twelve shot that they felt, and they've kind

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Speaker 2: of carried that through like you never know who's gonna

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Speaker 2: make the play at any point. You could have a

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Speaker 2: running back, kicking field goals, you could have all these

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Speaker 2: to finish it. And we've had what nine games, and

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Speaker 2: neither the last ten end on the last play of

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Speaker 2: the game or overtime or whatever. It's yeah, it's been

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Speaker 2: amazing to think about. But it's put you in position

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Speaker 2: eight and six. Here's what it's also done. It's also

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Speaker 2: put you in position to look back at a couple

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Speaker 3: What the lost of the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: With loss of the Panthers, that doesn't bother me, though,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say right now because I

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Speaker 1: play hoops on Tuesdays and Thursday mornings at six am,

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Speaker 1: and the guys were saying to me, well, what about

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Speaker 3: You know, what about the what ifs? What about Atlanta?

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Speaker 3: Say Listen.

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Speaker 1: Like you pointed out, Johnny, they've played nine of ten

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Speaker 1: games that come down to the final moments. They've won

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Speaker 1: most of those. If you win most of those, you're

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Speaker 1: in really good shape. You're not gonna win all of them.

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Speaker 1: You are not going to win all of them. And

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Speaker 1: I know it's disappointing. You lost to Carolina, which is

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Speaker 1: a two win team at this point in Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: they're struggling.

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is the NFL. Man, what happened with the Jets?

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Speaker 1: Look at Zach Wilson as the game of his life

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Speaker 1: done a week later.

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Speaker 3: Not so much. It just hae, it just had. It's

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Speaker 3: the league.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really hard to be really good for

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Speaker 1: seventeen games as the exactly as the Eagles. How hard

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Speaker 1: it is to have peak performance, whatever your version, your

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Speaker 1: team's version of peak performance.

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Speaker 3: Let's not even go peak.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ninety percent of your maximum capacity of play,

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Speaker 1: whatever that is your particular team and your roster, the

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Speaker 1: way it's assembled, ye to get to that ninety seventeen

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. You're not doing it at San

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Speaker 3: francisc do it.

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Speaker 1: They had a three game losing streak earlier this season,

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Speaker 1: and they might still have some bad games ahead of them.

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Speaker 3: You don't know.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you're a team like that and

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Speaker 1: your roster is just so supreme, and they have injuries too,

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Speaker 1: but they have so much talent, they can get to

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Speaker 1: that ninety or eighty five ninety a lot better. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot closer to it than a lot of teams,

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Speaker 1: because they're so talented and they're so.

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Speaker 2: Established not to work the hard. Yeah, the systems are

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Speaker 2: there in some sense. I mean it's in one more

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Speaker 2: point about that. And I bring this up from time

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Speaker 2: to tome Darryl Moore us to say about NBA teams.

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Speaker 3: You need easy offense.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you need guys you're just gonna fill it up.

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Speaker 3: You need that. It can't be such a chore to score.

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Speaker 1: Well the NFL, you have to have your versions of

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Speaker 1: that easy first down, right, makeable plays, guys who just

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Speaker 1: do it for you. When we had Hot here, when

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Speaker 1: we Andre Johnson here, when you had Arian Foster here,

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Speaker 1: when the running game was clicking over a series of years,

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Speaker 1: off and on, whatever the case may be, you need that.

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Speaker 1: It's not just offense, it's defense too. Your stops, you

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Speaker 1: need an easy is a bad word, but just makeable

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Speaker 1: stuff that you can count on week to week.

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Speaker 3: This team's still finding all that out. You know.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know you have pass rush and John Grenard

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Speaker 1: right and Will Anderson when he's in there. Obviously, you

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Speaker 1: know you have great playmaking with Tank and Nico, but

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Speaker 1: yet health issues on top of that, and then you

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Speaker 1: don't know who you are. You just try to put

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Speaker 1: it together. There's still a young team, try to assemble itself.

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Speaker 1: And here you are with eight wins three weeks to go,

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Speaker 1: with a great opportunity.

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Speaker 2: That's the word opportunity. There's no guarantee, but you have opportunity.

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Speaker 2: You win these three games, how about I mean we

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Speaker 1: How crazy it's automatic because you'll beat the Colts and

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy, but you know it's why I

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Speaker 3: Or whatever is whatever.

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Speaker 2: But that was to me what that represented was you

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Speaker 2: But I just got done with tell straight a little

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Speaker 3: It, And I'm kind of glass what's happening? Yeah at

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Speaker 3: I'll ask you.

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Speaker 3: To play him, Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: No, he wants to play the Bill out because everybody

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Speaker 1: A hot mess, hot mess. But seventeen games, Shohnny, seventeen games.

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Speaker 3: Even now they're finding themselves.

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched much of them because we've been doing

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Speaker 1: But they won that game in La, right, and they

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Speaker 1: went on to have a really nice year. Alan needs

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Speaker 1: it was going to be deconstructed. The entire Bill Bills

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Speaker 1: They are hard charging right now.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: They still have a ways to go because they dug

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Speaker 3: So it remains to be seen how it's gonna end up.

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Speaker 1: The Bills have the Chargers, Patriots, and Dolphins. Wow, if

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Speaker 1: Because nothing scheduled me in Miami, nothing scheduled for the

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Speaker 3: Trust me, Yeah, I said, I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's Saturday or Sunday, and the

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Speaker 1: put that one on Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: YEP.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the Texans are playing the Colts

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Speaker 1: You have five different games in Week eighteen that could

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Speaker 3: So we'll see how they handle it.

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Speaker 2: So go back to Miami Buffalo. This was really intriguing

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Speaker 3: That's tough, and then they play the Bills and then

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Speaker 2: That's ten and six. Miami would be eleven and five.

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Speaker 3: The Browns were like the Rave Ravens.

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Speaker 2: They're playing the Ravens, and we needed the Browns to

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Speaker 2: That's what we needed. We didn't have that. Well, the

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go to Miami and we're gonna win this thing.

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Speaker 2: The game is not in September like it was last year.

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Speaker 2: I think Buffalo is gonna win a division. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: watch it all in full on Hard Knocks, and I'm

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Speaker 3: It was just what just happened. They were almost asking

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Speaker 2: Who us seven years ago? The last team down fourteen

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Speaker 3: Game that I football against the.

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Speaker 3: It was Nick at twenty sixteen. I'm pretty sure maybe

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Speaker 1: I think it was Nick Novak. I could be right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that was the year that Kymie

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Speaker 2: I think, and then he took over in seventy.

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Speaker 1: No, no, he was here in sixteen, but he was injured.

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Speaker 1: Hang on a second, Yeah, that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: I remember Kymie's first year he was injured and he

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Speaker 1: Spent all of sixteen on injured reserve. Right, Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: That was Novac. Yeah right, I remember that, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: Nick Novak, it wasn't it. I don't think it was

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Speaker 3: No? And twelve it could have been Rackers. It was Rackers.

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Speaker 1: It was eleven Rackers. Chris Brown left because he had

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Speaker 3: I heard I heard somebody asked this on them. Oh uh, Shane.

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Speaker 2: Graham, Shane Graham, Yeah, I heard somebody asked this on

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Speaker 2: Somebody was like, Kimie Fairman, best Texas kicker of all time?

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Speaker 1: Like I think, so, yeah, there's no question to me,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I immediately got a text from somebody, is that

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Speaker 1: and it was amazing. He was AFC Special Teams Player

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Speaker 1: of the Week of course for that performance. Brown made

441
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Speaker 1: some big ones. He made the one to beat the Colts,

442
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Speaker 1: the one to beat the Packers. He made some big ones.

443
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Speaker 1: He missed some big ones in nine that obviously hurt

444
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Speaker 1: the team. Look, a poor kicking performance can kill your team,

445
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 1: can kill your season, and in O nine that was

446
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Speaker 1: a big problem.

447
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Speaker 3: And I don't want to put it all on him.

448
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 3: You don't want to be in those situations where it's.

449
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Speaker 1: Like, gotta have this kick to win and it's all

450
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Speaker 1: on him and it's his fault if we lose.

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Speaker 3: You hate those things.

452
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Speaker 2: But a lot of games like this year where they

453
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Speaker 2: were coming down in the finals second.

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Speaker 1: You know, poor Madame Mondola. We talked about the game

455
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Speaker 1: against the Jaguars. You missed two fifty plus yarders. If

456
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Speaker 1: you make one of them, you're going to overtime and

457
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Speaker 1: you live to find another day and who knows, maybe

458
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Speaker 1: you beat the Jags that date.

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Speaker 3: It's a completely different situation. But look, that's the league.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who laments and back to this everyone who laments

461
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Speaker 1: Carolina Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: This is just what happens along the way.

463
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Speaker 1: And look, look, you just won a game with a

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Speaker 1: fifty four yard field goal at the overtime buzzer. Look

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Speaker 1: how close that thing was. That thing was on the

466
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Speaker 1: edge of a cliff the whole way, and we're used

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Speaker 1: to it by now.

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Speaker 3: But you won the game.

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Speaker 1: Could have just as easily not won it and felt like,

470
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Speaker 1: all right, you gave it a shot, but you didn't

471
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Speaker 1: win it. Johnny, by the way side, note how bad

472
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Speaker 1: is that loss for the Titans.

473
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Speaker 3: It only knocked them out. But there you are.

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Speaker 1: You're up there with Case, You're up there with Look,

475
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Speaker 1: you thought Damien Pierce is going to be your belcow back.

476
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Speaker 1: This year hasn't worked out that way. So you're up

477
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Speaker 1: there with Singletary. You don't have Will we know who

478
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Speaker 1: you don't have. I don't have to go through all

479
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Speaker 1: the names and everything.

480
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Speaker 3: But they do have a lot. They had some guys out,

481
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Speaker 3: there's no doubt.

482
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Speaker 1: But they have their shiny rookie quarterback who they expected

483
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Speaker 1: to play anyway at some point.

484
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Speaker 3: They have Derek Henry, they have tas Jay Spears.

485
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Speaker 1: They have a lot of guys they have DeAndre Hopkins,

486
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Speaker 1: they have Harold Landry, they got Denico Autry, who's got

487
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Speaker 1: eleven sacks on the year now, and Landry's awesome rushing

488
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 1: the passers. They got all that, yep, and you beat

489
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Speaker 1: them at their place in the oiler uniforms. That's a

490
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Speaker 1: horrible loss for the Titans organization.

491
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Speaker 3: Really really bad.

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Speaker 2: And I've just thinking about that afternoon and walking out

493
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Speaker 2: of that field and thinking about their fan I don't

494
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Speaker 2: know why I was thinking about their fans, Like, man,

495
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Speaker 2: how does that taste?

496
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's just so awful.

497
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Speaker 2: Like you get that Miami win and now you're thinking, Okay, look,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: It's a long shot. It's a long shot.

500
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Speaker 2: But when the last three you have beaten the Texans

501
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Speaker 2: and the Jags, I don't know, maybe things fall for Cliff.

502
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Speaker 3: Maybe you stay in this thing. I mean, the last three.

503
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Speaker 2: You go eight nine, Like, I know, maybe, But I'm also,

504
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: if I'm a Titans fan, I'm also upset with how

505
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Speaker 2: the Titans have gone about it. When you look at

506
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Speaker 2: how the Texans handled things the last couple of years

507
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: and how the Titans went about it.

508
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Speaker 3: You know, the Texans put together a squad knowing that.

509
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: You know, we we were in transition and we were

510
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Speaker 2: gonna take that stance all the way along. We weren't

511
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Speaker 2: gonna be in transition and then see a nice shiny

512
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Speaker 2: toy like DeAndre Hopkins and go, yes, come to us right.

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Speaker 3: No, that should have been the last thing they did.

514
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: They should have been going with Will Levis and seeing

515
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Speaker 2: what he's got as a rookie and discarding Ryan Tannehill

516
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Speaker 2: and seeing what they could get for him.

517
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe they couldn't get anything.

518
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Speaker 2: But it's inconsistent because you trade Buyer exactly, very inconsistent.

519
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: You sign Hot, but then you get rid of Buyered,

520
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Speaker 2: but then you give Simmons all kinds of money, Like.

521
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Speaker 1: You don't think the Chiefs would have taken Hot for something, yes,

522
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Speaker 1: or some team like that that needs a receiver.

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Speaker 3: Made no, it just made no sense.

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Speaker 2: If I'm a Titans fan, how frustrating to me, Uh,

525
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: how that's gone about. But that's that's the Titans. That's

526
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: their problem. You guys deal with it. We'll see in

527
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And there were there was there was some of that

530
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Speaker 2: that that kind of heard the locker room, like we'll

531
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Speaker 2: see you in a couple of weeks. Like our guys, you know,

532
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: when you have a win against the team the first time,

533
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 2: you know, you get a little fat, happy and all

534
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I think our guys would like

535
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Speaker 2: to see them next this this Sunday right here at

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Speaker 2: our building.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And uh so I can't wait for the second iteration

539
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Speaker 2: and you Yeah, I was listening to Sean as Seth today.

540
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Speaker 2: We're talking about, you know, going back to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: It's a massive game against the Browns for a number

542
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Speaker 2: of reasons. There's no there's no doubt. If you have

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Speaker 2: designs on the playoffs, you absolutely one thousand percent cannot

544
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Speaker 2: lose to the Titans and the Colts.

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Speaker 3: No, you cannot know.

546
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Speaker 2: You could quote unquote afford a loss to the Browns. Yeah,

547
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: you cannot lose to the Titans and the Colts.

548
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Speaker 3: But if you beat the Browns.

549
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Speaker 1: But if you beat the Titans, you might not need

550
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Speaker 1: I know, the Jags might play their way into it

551
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. You might not be able to catch them

552
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Speaker 1: for the division and maybe you're already in and it's

553
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: just about seating. And I'm not gonna say you don't

554
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Speaker 1: care about the seating, but wouldn't that be wild if

555
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Speaker 1: you go into that game quote not needing it, don't

556
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Speaker 1: tell Nick, I'm talking about this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go, but not needing it.

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Speaker 1: And you start you then you start Davis right then

559
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Speaker 1: you say, we're gonna start Davis Mills against the Colts

560
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Speaker 1: and they don't need it.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna start Ellinger.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have Mills Ellinger Part two, just like Week

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Speaker 1: eighteen last year.

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Speaker 3: And who would have thunk it? Both teams are in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but what if you could knock the Colts out

566
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Speaker 2: of the No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

567
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Speaker 3: I would love to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you win these next two, if you

569
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Speaker 2: beat the Browns and the Titans, then it comes down

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Speaker 2: to if the Jags lose one of these, they play

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay and then they play the Panthers. I'm not

572
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Speaker 2: gonna expect much against the Panthers. I mean, they could

573
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Speaker 2: do us as solid. It's happened before twenty sixteen, where

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Speaker 2: the Titans did.

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Speaker 3: This a solid. Actually, the Jags did this a solid

576
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Speaker 3: against the Titans. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the Buccaneers that could do it. Now

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Speaker 2: if the Bucks beat the Jags, Yeah, now, you're three

579
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Speaker 2: wins away from the division.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that.

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Speaker 1: Looks will rondev next week to talk about that. All right,

582
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Speaker 1: coming up a little bit more on this. Also, where

583
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Speaker 1: does the win rank, because we will compare and contrast.

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Speaker 1: It's too early, but hey, it's radio. It's never too

585
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: early to talk about stuff like this. It's Texans Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right. Back to it. Mark Vandermre and John Harris

587
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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you with us as we stretch things

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Speaker 1: out on a Tuesday.

590
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Speaker 3: Just talk.

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Speaker 1: We just talk, just talking about stuff, and it's fun

592
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Speaker 1: to reminisce about the win on Sunday against the Tennessee

593
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Speaker 1: Titans or whoever they were, and talk about the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns coming up here with Joe Flacco and Johnny they

595
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Speaker 1: went there this morning, s Sean and Seth. If case

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Speaker 1: were to play, Oh yeah, you have Flaco Keenum Part two.

597
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: Nine years later. Exactly nine years later, Flacko Keenum squaring

598
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Speaker 1: off just like the one of the best coach games

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen by this organization, and they beat the

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Speaker 1: Ravens With Joe Flacco, Gary Kubiak, the offensive coordinator for Baltimore.

601
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: They were having their best offensive season to date. Now,

602
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: they've surpassed it since with Lamar Jackson, but at that time,

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00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: that was the best offensive year they were ever having

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00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: Kubiak comes into the building and Romeo Cornell's defense completely

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Speaker 1: takes them down. And I hate saying that about coach

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Speaker 1: because we love Gary, but hey, I'm a Texan and

607
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: that was a phenomenal day. I'll never forget seeing Gary,

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Speaker 1: Brian Perrani, and Rick Dennison on a golf cart outside

609
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: the Ravens locker room talking and just going over notes

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Speaker 1: and things. And that's when I said hello to those

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Speaker 1: guys in the service level the hallway, and I'm thinking.

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Speaker 3: This is just bizarro world because it was only a.

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Speaker 1: Year before that he was in the building. And you

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Speaker 1: get the rest of the story. But it was great

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Speaker 1: for Gary to have that year with the Ravens because

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Speaker 1: they went on to the playoffs and he got the

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Speaker 1: Denver job as a result of it, and the rest

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Speaker 1: is history for him, got a Super Bowl out of

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Speaker 1: the deal.

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Speaker 3: But that day, that day, case.

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Speaker 1: Keenum and the Texans and the Texas took a part

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: With Joe Flacco, and that's what you need to do.

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Speaker 3: This Sunday. Yeah, you frustrated Flacco with that pass rush.

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Speaker 3: If that sounds familiar.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Browns offensive line has been it's been

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Speaker 2: a bit banged up. They're starting left tackle now. I

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00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: don't know if he started the other day. I haven't

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Speaker 2: looked at that, but I have, you know, just kind

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Speaker 2: of getting my notes together initially, guess who's starting at

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Speaker 2: left tackle.

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Speaker 3: For the Cleveland brown Tell me drunk Christian?

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Speaker 1: All right, So Jared Christian, who we've seen here. Didn't

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Speaker 1: he start the game against the Chargers in twenty twenty one,

635
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: he did Texans victory on Christmas weekend?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he started. He started Sunday against the Bears.

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00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: Jared Christian James Hudson were the two tackles because Jeddrick

638
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 2: Wills is injured, as is Jack Conklin.

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Speaker 1: So, boy, you know, it's so funny we make such

640
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: a big deal about starters and things like that, and

641
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: then look, you're you're here. They're the Browns in week

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00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen with Jared Christian at left tackle, Joe Flacco

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00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: at quarterback and uh, you know, gotta have it to

644
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: keep pace, keep ahead of the crowd kind of game.

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00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: And they're nine and six five, they're nine and five. Unbelievable.

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00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: It's it just shows you incredible. This game is all

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00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: about organization. That's what it is. It's the organization, it's

648
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: all of it. It's the coaching, it's the players, it's

649
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: the culture, it's how it all fits together. Stefanski has

650
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: done an incredible job. You've got to give them a

651
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: boatload of credit. All the Watson distraction. They're probably thrilled

652
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: to not have Watson distraction, right.

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Speaker 2: I think that's huge for them. Mark that distraction in

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00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: not having it. I think that is huge. The fact

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Speaker 2: that players in the locker room are not asked, hey

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Speaker 2: is Shaun starting?

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Speaker 3: Is Shawn here? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What do you think about DeShawn? Have you and Sean

659
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: linked up? Are you guys going to do this? And

660
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: they don't have to answer that anymore. Now they don't

661
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: have to answer any of that not available. It's your

662
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: quarterback playing well. Joe Flacco's killing it, and guys are

663
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: just they're making plays, they're stepping into the void. keV

664
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Speaker 2: Stefanski has done one heck of a job. One heck

665
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: of a job. First of all, there is no good

666
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: way to handle any of that Deshaun stuff. No, there's

667
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: no good way, none, And there was all kinds of

668
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: talk about that, and they just kept winning and they

669
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: kept winning and they kept fighting away. And I think

670
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Speaker 2: in my math is correct, they've won with four different

671
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: starting quarterbacks this year. Yeah, Sean PJ and Dori and

672
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Speaker 2: dtr Right. It's incredible. I mean we've got two wins

673
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: with two quarterbacks, but four, Yeah, that's believe. And they're

674
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Speaker 2: really excelling. Yeah, they're really excelling right here.

675
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Speaker 3: They are.

676
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Speaker 1: Look, the Vikings have a pretty impressive story as well. Overall,

677
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: they couldn't help us out and beat the Bengals the other.

678
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Speaker 3: Day, but thanks guys.

679
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: This is a really good team, a really deep team

680
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: that's had some heavy losses. And the fact that Flacco's

681
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: doing this when they signed, lack of us thinking oh

682
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: this is going to be a disaster on Joe Flecco,

683
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: but he threw three picks last week. You can get

684
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Speaker 1: to Joe Flacco. I'm eager to see Jonathan Garnard. I

685
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: want to see what else the Texans can do with

686
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: pass rush. I can't wait till Will gets back. I

687
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: want all of it. Let's see if they can get

688
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: the title wave going in the backfield the way they

689
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: had it against the Tennessee Titans. Now, I know every

690
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: team's different, but that kind of ethic of hey, why

691
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: not play every running back like that, get to him

692
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: before he gets going. All right, some of these backs

693
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Speaker 1: go whoop, you know, get out of the way. But

694
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: they just were all over it. Johnny wave after wave

695
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: of defense against Derrick Henry in that game. And you

696
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: need that kind of thing going on against the Cleveland Browns.

697
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Speaker 3: But Flacco could really make you pay more than a

698
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: Will Levis can. Now where.

699
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Speaker 2: Flacco and we mentioned this, you know, I was talking

700
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Speaker 2: to JG about this, and so we're talking to in

701
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Speaker 2: D about this. Would rather have a guy which rather

702
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: face a guy like Levis where he can split a

703
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: gap and go run on you and make you pay,

704
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: or a guy like Joe Flacco where you know, X

705
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: marks the spot, you know where he's gonna be. He's

706
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: taking a five step drop and X marks the spot.

707
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: Beat your guy to get back there. And that I

708
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: think is gonna end up being being a massive key

709
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: in this. And you know, the Texans don't play a

710
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: ton of man coverage. They just don't. They play a

711
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: lot of pattern match and which ends up being man

712
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: at the end of the day when the ball is

713
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: actually being thrown. But that that's really as close as

714
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: they get to play and just lockdown man coverage. The

715
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: key to me the other day against the Titans was

716
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Speaker 2: the four guys up front one all day, so you

717
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: could drop seven guys into coverage. You could clog up

718
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: those lanes and for a rookie that's trying to find

719
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: his way, he's holding the ball a little bit longer

720
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: and now he's sliding up in the pocket and boom,

721
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: he's hit by people. And that's what you got to

722
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: make Joe Flacco feel. And we go back to that

723
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen game. They the Texas defense put him in

724
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: a vice grip. I remember for three quarters Flacco doing nothing,

725
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: absolutely zero. Now I ended up putting up a touchdown

726
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: at some point in the second half, and then I

727
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: think he got another one, but by that point it

728
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: was it was over. They had him so frustrated because

729
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: they just kept hitting him, and JJ and Wit were

730
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: just relentless in the way they got after it.

731
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Speaker 3: The guys inside.

732
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Speaker 2: It was awesome the way that they put Flacco just

733
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Speaker 2: in a vice grip. With that pressure, and that's really

734
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Speaker 2: what you have to do against him.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one fifty Yeah, that was Flacco in that game.

736
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: It was not good.

737
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Couldn't run it for set ten carries, nineteen yards nothing.

738
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Speaker 3: Oh you look. Steven Smith Senior was on this team.

739
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, five catches for forty nine, Tory Smith

740
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: five for fifty nine. That was it, and then forced

741
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: the rest of the guys Jacoby Jones two for twenty eight.

742
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this just brings back memories. I was

743
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: just looking at this box, but on the Texan side

744
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: last week because with the Keenum possibility of starting, Yeah,

745
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what.

746
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Speaker 3: Cases numbers were. They weren't great.

747
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: Return from the deer Blind, they weren't great. Twenty to

748
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Speaker 1: forty two, one eighty five, but Texans ran it for

749
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: one twenty three Foster ninety six yards, Keenum four scrambles

750
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: for nineteen yards, and Andre Johnson six catches for sixty

751
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: five Hop five for thirty eight.

752
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: Andre and Hop together.

753
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: Gosh, this team had Andre and Hop together, that's crazy

754
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: think for.

755
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: Two years and one of them was nine and seven

756
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 1: the other one was two and fourteen. Ridiculous. How does

757
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: this stuff happen the NFL is weird? This just in Okay,

758
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: the me askiest question. Okay, since we're since we're here.

759
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Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen, instead of bringing in Hoyer, yeah you have

760
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Speaker 2: Mallet coming off the entry. Okay, go on, what if

761
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: you bring back see and Case or how about this

762
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: Fitzy and or Case instead of trying to figure out

763
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: the Hoyrior Mallet situation. Well, you already had Mallet on

764
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: the team and Mallet on the roster, so Mallet's there,

765
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: So what if you keep one or the other fits

766
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Speaker 2: your case?

767
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Speaker 1: I think if you keep Fitzy, Case is interesting. Would

768
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Speaker 1: that have worked with Case? Would he be able to

769
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Speaker 1: hold off Mallet?

770
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Speaker 3: You know, if Mallet not screwing up and oversleeping and

771
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. I don't know.

772
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Speaker 1: I think he could, especially if Mallet screwing up. But

773
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Speaker 1: if Malice's not screwing up. I just think there was

774
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: a lot of quarterback there, yep. As my buddy Greg Grisslam,

775
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: president of the Houston Texans, would say, there's a lot

776
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: of there there. Yea with Mallet, but he couldn't keep

777
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: it together. In the personal side. I'll always think about that, Johnny,

778
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: that era of quarterbacks, and a lot of guys came

779
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: in and out of this organization, and a lot of

780
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: guys ended up playing.

781
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: Some guys just Taylor Heinekes still playing.

782
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Speaker 1: I mean, you just have you know all over the

783
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: league that have lasted a long time. Hoyer himself, right,

784
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: FITZI lasted forever. I think if you bring Fitzi back

785
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: on the twenty fifteen team, that was a defense that

786
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: ended up third in the league overall, I think you

787
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: could do some things. You had that horrible start, but

788
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have had as horrible a start. And look

789
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: what they did. They made some tremendous stops. They beat

790
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: the Bengals ten to six, and the cold sixteen to ten,

791
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: and all of that.

792
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: I think it would have been good to bring Fitzi

793
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: back on that team.

794
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: I had a conversation with Bill Bryan at some point

795
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: where I can't remember what we were talking about, but

796
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: I remember him bringing up Case at some point, and

797
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: I remember him not saying to the extent, you know,

798
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: I messed up or whatever it was, it really wasn't that.

799
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta make decisions for what you think

800
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: in that moment. But I remember him saying he has

801
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: a pull on the locker room that I haven't seen

802
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks have.

803
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he mentioned that when he came back.

804
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: He said, the locker room sort of semi erupted when

805
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: Ridham walked in.

806
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you realize, what's that? What that's worth? You know?

807
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: The guy has that a lot, and Cases had that,

808
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: and it obviously nine years later, it still shows itself.

809
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: I just I always wonder if in twenty fifteen, had

810
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: they stuck with Fitzier or stuck with Case one or

811
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: the other. I feel like I feel like they probably

812
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: could have done even even more than what they were

813
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: able to do because.

814
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 3: They had that defense.

815
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: They had hop Hop was in major hop status in

816
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen.

817
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Gosh, he was amazing. He was incredible. I got one

818
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: more for you, though. Here's the question, what really was

819
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: the plan? I'd like to ask Bill today, what was

820
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: the plan? Because you have Hoyer and Mallett. I guess

821
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: the plan was we expect Mallet to rise up and

822
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: become everything he possibly can be.

823
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: Like I said, everything's there.

824
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: Can he get it together personally and become an outstanding quarterback.

825
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: He's got a howitzer for an arm, and he's got

826
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: the brain forty eventually coached all of that, but it

827
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: didn't work.

828
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: So that was the plan. And then finally they said

829
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, we.

830
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: Got to go get a quarterback, and I got as

831
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: Waller and we know the rest of the story, seventeen

832
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: to get Watson. So those first two years there really

833
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: was no plan. And I would think, you know, other

834
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: than sort of stop gap and fits the okay whatever.

835
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: I still think if you draft Garoppolo top of the

836
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: second round in twenty fourteen, at least you have him

837
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: in the building and you can develop him and see

838
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: what happens. But easy for me to say, all right,

839
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: one more segment coming up.

840
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: Where does it rant?

841
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: We haven't gotten to that yet. We're just talking. It's

842
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: a talking Tuesday here on Jeckson's Radio. All right, final

843
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: segment here today, Mark Vandermaher and John Harris. Johnny the

844
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: win against the Titans automatic top three road win all time.

845
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna put it there.

846
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: I will put the division clincher in twenty eleven at

847
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: Cincinnati in its own separate category. To be clear, I

848
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: can give you one or two others that I feel

849
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: could occupy that space that can be debated out of it.

850
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: But context, even if you lose THATNX three here and

851
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: it's bye bye for the twenty twenty three season, that

852
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: win that day, that context, that's a top three all

853
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: time Texans road win playoffs not included.

854
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: Well, you've never won on the road of the playoffs,

855
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 3: so it doesn't even matter. Yet. Are you in agreement

856
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: with me?

857
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: I will say not, you know, I mean, I could

858
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: speak from twenty fourteen on. I think number one, without

859
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: a doubt is still in the twenty fifteen I'm with you.

860
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: I don't that's number that's number one.

861
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: You have company there and people who forget this. It

862
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: was sixteen to ten. You started TJ.

863
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: Yates. He hadn't been around for that long.

864
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: You started Whedon had been in the building about a

865
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: week and a half or so about that, Yeah, and

866
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: he came in and he helped you win the game.

867
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: He threw a touchdown pass to Jalen Straw ninety yard drive.

868
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: You played amazing defense. You ran the ball with lem

869
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: No Lamar wasn't here yet. You ran the ball with

870
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: whoever you had. It wasn't having fifty, it wasn't Arian,

871
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was It was.

872
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: Like a keyen Hunt was Jonathan Grimes. It was it

873
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: was nave and glue.

874
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You didn't really have You didn't really have

875
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: much that day.

876
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: You were running Alfred Blue, Alfred Blue one oh seven.

877
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: There are people screaming at us.

878
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: I remember Alfred Blue getting a fourth down in that

879
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: game that he probably shouldn't have gotten.

880
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: And that was key. But you had Hunt, you had. Yeah.

881
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: Johnny Grimes was on the squad bang bench hot.

882
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: Eight catches ninety four yards. This is not a tremendous

883
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: average necessarily, but he moves the sticks for you.

884
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: Nate Washington was on that team.

885
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: Ryan Griffin Strong had two catches, including the touchdown.

886
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 3: Hunt was very handy. That's one. That's that's one.

887
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: One that's hard to oh for thirteen at Indy all time,

888
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: and you finally got one and you won the division

889
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: as well. Not with that win, but it really sets

890
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: you up for the next week. I think that that

891
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: is the number one road win of all time in

892
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: the regular season.

893
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: Well, they're again, I think I think this one. I don't.

894
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: I don't know if I put it two or three,

895
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: but it's definitely in a top three. With everything that

896
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: we talked about on the bus, you know, like Drey

897
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: and I had had mentioned, you know, the just seeing.

898
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: The oiler stuff was just wow.

899
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: Really, and I know the Titans are five and whatever,

900
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: five and eight, now five and nine. I mean, I

901
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: get that part, but it doesn't matter. Miamis is starting.

902
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: And there was all this talk about, you know, going

903
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: into the week. I mean, people didn't even consider case

904
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: being the starter. Case starts and then the way that

905
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: we end up winning. And here here's the nasty little

906
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: secret of that game. If you don't throw the pick six,

907
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: it's not even close because the Titans couldn't do deatally

908
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: pooh on offense, right nothing, but you just you'd.

909
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 3: Give up the pick six.

910
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: And now it was field goal, field goal, field goal,

911
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, you get all that. I think it should

912
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: have been twenty three to seven something like that. Either way,

913
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter other contenders.

914
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Monday Night football at the Bengals the

915
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: same year as the cold.

916
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen, that's look that to me would be the

917
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: one in the top.

918
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: Three for me. They were undefeated, they were eight tozer.

919
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: You were three and five, barely three and five, just

920
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: beat a horrible Titans team to get to three and

921
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: five after getting embarrassed by Atlanta Miami on the road,

922
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: and then there you are taking on Cincinnati on the road.

923
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: How's this going to go on national television? And you

924
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: win ten to six as Yates comes off the bench

925
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: to find hot for the only touchdown of the game

926
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: for both teams. That was unforgettable. That's a I think

927
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: we've nailed the top three now, yes, they.

928
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: Before twenty fourteen, obviously the one that goes up on

929
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: the shelf the Hall of Famer of all time.

930
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 3: Cincinnati twenty eleven. I don't think you win the division

931
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 3: for the first time.

932
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: That's I almost put that in another candy, yes, junny, right,

933
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: because that's a playoff me.

934
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: Sure, it's definitely a different category. That's a playoff clincher. Yeah, right,

935
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: A good good point, good point. But if we want

936
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: to put it in the category, here's got one.

937
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: That's one that got to be number one. Yeah, but

938
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: I put that aside in another vertical. That's playoff clincher.

939
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: I got that kind of thing.

940
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this was two years before I I hopped

941
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: on board Bears Sunday Night twenty twelve.

942
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: Huge huge, that's a big, one, huge road That's a

943
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: big one. Both teams were really good in the weather.

944
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: You knock Cutler out of the game, they bring in

945
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Jason Campbell, Foster with the big diving touchdown catch huge

946
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: Denver Week three that year. Yeah, that was a big win.

947
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: I'll go, want me to go early days. These are

948
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: ones that just pop out to me because they're fun.

949
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh won inaugural season was great with the three

950
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: defensive scores. Beating the Jags that year, great, Mark Burnell,

951
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: this is your first road win ever as a franchise,

952
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: and you beat the Jags and they were still reasonably good.

953
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: Other ones along the way.

954
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: Nine beating Miami second to last week of the season,

955
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: when you have a four games Foster, Arian Foster comes

956
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: off the bench and shows you he's Arian Foster. That

957
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: was another huge one. I remember that played Ryde Home.

958
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: That was a really happy playing ride home, and then

959
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: you beat the Patriots the next week, have your first

960
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: winning season ever.

961
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: Those stand out to me. The Cincinnati in a category.

962
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, I started it saying from

963
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen on because that's when obviously I got down

964
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: on the sideline. But those those all that was intertwined

965
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: in this game, it was more than just a game.

966
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: There's obviously playoff implications at stake. It's a division game,

967
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: it's on the road in the division, it's against the

968
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: team that formerly was here. You have them wear in

969
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: the There's so and then Cases starting. Who represents Houston

970
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: maybe better than any professional athlete or athlete we've had

971
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: being from University Houston playing for the Houston Texans nine years,

972
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: starting nine years almost to the day from the last

973
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: time against the Ravens.

974
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: As we talked about, it's been incredible.

975
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: Didn't you think cases postgame comments were so well craft Yes,

976
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you put that much thought

977
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: into them. But when he said Houston on the jersey,

978
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: ye didn't mention the oiler stuff, didn't mention what the

979
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: Titans were doing. He just took the high row and said,

980
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: this is Houston. And what did we say last week?

981
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: Houston legend Case Keenum. He's a Houston legend. And I

982
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: don't mean necessarily UH or the Texans. He's just a

983
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: legend of the city because he's the all time leading

984
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: passer in NCAA history still played at UH played for

985
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: the Texans with the Texans again when they signed him

986
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: in the offseason. You could have written this script, I guess,

987
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: but who knew that Stroud would be so good? And

988
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: then ouch, he's missing a game and you have to

989
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: bring in Case. And Case does what he does, which

990
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: wasn't rerupt statistically, but he led your team to a victory.

991
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: And it's a total team effort.

992
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean, like we said, it was a total team

993
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: win on so many different levels and Case.

994
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: Driving that train.

995
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny you mentioned in his press

996
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: conference he talked about, you know, seven at home. I

997
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: can only imagine what CJ and will tank. You know,

998
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 2: guys that are on injured reserve. And by the way,

999
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: Texans are eight and six with the most guys on

1000
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: injured reserve in the league.

1001
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nuts. Seven. It was seventeen at last check.

1002
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 3: I don't.

1003
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it's still seventeen, I think. And by the way,

1004
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: we've buried one I guess one lead Tier Tart claimed

1005
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: on waivers.

1006
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: How about that? Well, you tell me how can help

1007
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: this football team. He's he's I don't want to.

1008
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: I want to be nice to him because I'm sure

1009
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: he's a he's a really genuine nice guy.

1010
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: We needed somebody fat.

1011
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: We needed some big bone dudes in the middle that

1012
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: can make some plays. And I remember tier Tart in

1013
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: our game last year here against them in twenty twenty two.

1014
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: He dominated the game. It wasn't Simmons. Simmons had a

1015
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: couple of highlight moments. We couldn't block tier Tart to

1016
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: save his life.

1017
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: We couldn't. We couldn't block him.

1018
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know what went sideways with the Titans,

1019
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: but hopefully he'll come here and be able to provide.

1020
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: I think the interior dudes have ritten game is going

1021
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: to a different level. Sheldon and Malik are doing incredible stuff,

1022
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: but you just know what the way bodies are and

1023
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: how they're feeling at this point. If you have somebody

1024
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: that's relatively fresh, you can give you fifteen snaps a

1025
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: game of his size and his athletic ability.

1026
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go, let's do it. Yeah.

1027
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Did you find that it's interesting they pick that position

1028
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: group to strengthen at this time of year.

1029
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by that, and I've come to this

1030
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: my thought process in a draft, too strength and to strength.

1031
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: I feel like the interior is a strength. But if

1032
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: you can strengthen it and keep everybody. You know, maybe

1033
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: you take a few plays away from the guys, but

1034
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: it gives them a little bit of a rest.

1035
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: Got a long way to go in this thing. Hopefully

1036
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: it's more than three. All right.

1037
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: That's it for the show tonight and Texans match up

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00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: on the way. If you can't check that out here,

1039
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Speaker 1: you check it out on the Texans apps soon enough

1040
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Speaker 1: and Wednesday night. Nick Cassario, Texans executive vice president and

1041
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: general manager, joins us on the program among many others

1042
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Speaker 1: as we keep it rolling into Christmas Eve with the

1043
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